The Tragic Downfall of The Flash
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- čas přidán 19. 05. 2024
- Run, Barry! Run!
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Timestamps
0:00 Intro
1:36 Breakdown & Downfall
8:23 The Flash is not about The Flash anymore
22:02 The Barry Problem
31:46 The Iris Problem
41:42 The Villain Problem
50:41 The CW Problem
1:04:31 Conclusion
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The Flash
Barry Allen
Eobard Thawne
Iris West
WestAllen
Cisco Ramon
Killer Frost
Reverse Flash
Grant Gustin
Carlos Valdes
Candice Patton
Godspeed
The CW
Arrowverse
Stephen Amell
Arrow
Oliver Queen
Felicity Smoak
Olicity
Emily Bett Rickards
Supergirl
Melissa Benoist
Netflix
Kara Danvers
Crisis On Infinite Earths - Zábava
I never want to hear the words ‘Run Barry run’ again
Run Barry, Run😭
Then have a... Run forrest run...
Well, I agree, but you got to admit that saying '' dance Barry dance'' (or any other word that run) wouldn't have worked for him 🤣
And it’s always so serious, why can’t they say it enthusiastically or as a joke at least a couple times? Just to break up the monotomy.
“Die Flash die!”
the cw knocked the casting for the entire arrowverse superheroes out of the park (grant gustin, melissa benoist, etc) but they did them so criminally wrong with everything else
EXACTLY
To me it’s the opposite, with the casting of the movies and writing of earlier episodes the films or shows would be perfect
They didn’t cast melissa
@@Hillareas true but still
Melissa is a good “Superman” copy not Supergirl, she’s meant to be gritty and disturbed not Clark Kent from Wish
"My name is Barry Allen, I'm the 42nd fastest man in my building."
BUT TRUE THO
Barry Allen, the fastest man alive at forgetting things.
Having only seen the first "run Barry, RUN" moment, I quite liked that scene. Nice to see they beat it to death.
The first time they did it, it was kinda cool.
They then proceeded to beat that horse until it turned into glue.
I would point out that Team Flash in season one is even smaller than it appears, since Wells isn't actually a true member in that season - being the villain and all. Yes he fills the role, but halfway through the season we learn the truth and that flips his entire dynamic on its head. Plus, that actually makes Team Flash a useful plot element, with the betrayal, rather than the drag it became later.
also for a little while, Team Flash is two people: Barry and Cisco. Caitlin is reluctant at first until Barry and Cisco wear her down (we only really see this in one episode, but presumably it's been a little while in-universe. Maybe a week or two)
Like Syndrome said, “Once everyone’s super, no one will be.”
The Incredibles?
@@memrioxox yes
no why would no one be super that makes no sense
@@JashXD 🤦♂️
@@JashXD What exactly made Flash extraordinary? It was because he was unique and not many others were gifted. Then everybody gets powers and he became just ordinary. Sure he's fast but his powers don't make him special anymore. Super means amazing. The reason superpowers are super is because not everybody gets them.
To give another example, why is coal worth so little compared to diamonds? It's not only because of how dull it is. Coal is useful for starting fires but it isn't rare. Google says there's over 1.06 trillion tonnes of proven coal reserves worldwide. You can't sell it as something amazing when it's so common
Hope I explained it well. LMK if your still confused and which part you don't get
Barrry fights a villian. He fails. He sulks. He gets a pep talk. He beats the villian. This is the main go to for every single episode. I gave up on the series in season 5.
Barry every season: I need to get faster
They've now added "Instead of fighting criminals Barry just says "Don't do it" and runs off without knocking out or jailing them naively thinking they'll instantly reform."
After season 4 it just gets meh
At least with arrow they changed up the formula
I gave up in Season 4 when they beautifully established the Thinker then they killed off the actor playing him the next episode!!!
If only the CW took a page from the Justice League cartoons. In that show, Flash is every bit as powerful as you would expect, but in that Flash is shown as being a guy who cares for the villians and the people of the city. The villans get a leg up on him by putting him in situations where he has to choose between stopping them, or saving innocent lives. Just adding this one character trait/flaw would make the CW Flash so much more interesting.
The "bargain visual effects aren't the problem, poor writing is" argument is so spot-on, it sums up every bad season perfectly. It costs nothing to write proper build-ups, tension, stakes, character motivation, and every established storycrafting technique that grabs and keeps an audience engaged episode to episode. Consistency also costs nothing but costs everything if one screws it up. This show needed a visionary showrunner with the mettle of, say, Vince Gilligan or Eric Kripke, paired with a network that believes in them. Never liked Berlanti, but that's just me.
Well it does…
It costs good writers and we know WC has none of that
Omg, did I accidentally mistake the letters of the CW to write 🚾 🚽??!
Oh no…
"a visionary showrunner with the mettle of, say, Vince Gilligan or Eric Kripke" is very funny. "A visionary director with the mettle of, say, Martin Scorsese or JJ Abrams".
@@xzczcwc I agree with the point you're making but you didn't have to do
kripke THAT dirty lmao
"Iris has no powers"
Excuse me?! She obviously has the power of love and friendship!!
@Bon Bon It is
🤣 🤣 🤣
🤣 🤣 🤣
Lolllll. She sucks.
@Bon Bon no worries, I'm 25 years old and was just being a sarcastic little sh*t
We're cool dude
Barry: I can’t do it
Everyone: have you tried running very fast?
Barry: **runs very fast**
Barry: I did it
Barry's arc: Goes from a character who runs fast to a character who runs faster
Or how he messes up and gives up until he is talked back into it with a very.long.talk. It's like some writer wants us to know why they won a writing certificate in 10th grade.
*Wanna see me do it again?*
@@Glisten456 Then someone else runs even faster, then some Flash ally runs fast but not quite as fast, then the whole team has powers and terrible costumes, then someone runs faster and Barry runs faster again!
After watching a few CW shows, usually stopping when I realize I haven't watched it in a while and don't really care, I've learned my lesson to just bail on purpose at the third "oh come on now this is dumb". They always fuck it up with hokey drama, completely changing everything that made it fun in the beginning, and rapid repetitive power creep.
Arrow started out with a guy who went pretty nuts after spending ages alone on an island, becoming a violent and murderous vigilante.
Step by step they introduced new shit he did on the island until he actually spent a couple of days alone on the island, completely rewriting the whole premise, and defeating his foes with the power of friendship. Of course he, the brooding loner, gets a huge team of buddy buddy also superpowered vigilantes going on wacky adventures together. Of course there's also endless poorly written drama between them.
AND THEY STOPPED DOING THE SALMON LADDER WORKOUT SCENES! Those were so fucking tasty
@@Glisten456 super easy, barely an inconvenience
why dosent the flash just run at every villian at like 1000 mph and just blow a hole through their chest with a 1000 mph single punch??? like is there a reason given in the show for why he dosent just even just grab the bad guys at the speed of sound and put them in a maximum security prison cell within literally a single second?
He's not a murderer is the answer to the first one, and for the second one generally speaking a generic reason why the bad guy is totally a challenge
Hes not a murderer, wth lol
Same reason Spider-Man just doesn't use all of his strength to smash every villain's head into a pulp... or why Batman just doesn't shoot the Joker, except that one comic.
The same thing happens in comics and no one cares he lost to captain cold and others that shouldn’t be able to lay a finger on him
Literally no one wants to watch that
25:49 Whilst you are right in saying he is a badass, I think that what makes Barry such a good character in general is the fact that he cares
In the animated series, he knew every person he saved by name, lived in an apartment with barely any furniture, he prioritised saving and helping people - even villains - over his own interests and any semblance of glory (Such as the Flash museum)
And personally I don't think they did that iteration justice in the Arrowverse
But I feel like they tried
And ended up making him reliant on a lot of other characters which defeats the point of this dude with superspeed who turns out to be *just a random millennial with superspeed and a good heart saving a whole city all by himself*
They really did try to show his compassion towards the people he saves (the episode with Frankie, where he reassures and hugs her will always make me emotional), but the problem is we don't see enough of it. The show is so eager to get on with its plotlines, and even when we get filler, it's not stuff that we SHOULD be getting in a superhero show: Barry being a hero, interacting with the city, with the civilians (we did get some of that in s1 with the villains of the week and Barry showing them compassion here and there, but never with non-meta civilians or at least non-villains). Maybe a few sidequests here and there, where he does something that isn't plot-related but furthers his own arc as a hero, because he learns about how every little thing matters - not just stopping the bad guys, but helping out the little guy too
(also if it's put in the right season, it COULD be plot-related: there's an episode in s4 where the city rallies together to help find DeVoe, but wouldn't that hit a lot stronger if we've seen the goodwill Barry built up with the civilians, rather than being TOLD about it?)
Well said
Wasn’t that Wally in the animated series
I loved Barry as a forensic expert. I was expecting him to juggle his job and superhero duties. But like immediately he is a full time superhero.
@Zek Kiel Their day to day's allowed the world feel okay as soon as they started throwing full time crime stopping duties the show started having dumb scenarios for them to be in.
@@lawsoflycurgus The Show had always bad writing,
evidend by Madvocate making an hour-long Criticism-Video about it.
No Fr tho they literally forgot all about his day job we only saw forensic shit in like season 1 and that’s it
YES, I was also really hoping for more forensic expert stuff.
Lucifer did the "meta surrounded by regular humans with a steadily growing cast" way better than Flash did, AND it had a satisfying ending. Thank god it was never on the CW
Worst lines in flash history because of the CW.
3. "You are my lightning rod"
2. "Run Barry Run"
1. "We are The Flash"
Run Barry Run the first gave me goosebumps. After that it was just lame.
The run Barry run was chilling the first time you heard it. The lighting rod one I think is cute
"You are my lighting rod" wasn't bad but it also wasn't good. Its definitely cringe but I'll allow it. BUT Iris saying "We are The Flash"....Just no, I liked Patty better. Patty would have never said that cringe shit.
Those 3 Lines Just Made Me Feel So Disgusted I Cant Even Describe The Feeling
"We are the Flash" is the one of the most cringe thing came out of this show
honestly for iris, she could have worked as a main character if they leaned more into her journalist/investigator job, imagine if she was the one that found cicada, she was the one who figured out who savitar was, who reverse flash was? but in a way that made her seem like a skilled investigator, which considering she was raised by a cop, her being good at that isnt hard to believe, and in turn, we wouldnt have needed that ridiculous french sherloque. Iris could be the person to show that you dont need superpowers to be a hero, which is what the earlier seasons of the cw arrowverse were a bit better in portraying.
YES ABSOLUTELY THIS, I wish they'd kickstarted her journalist arc sooner, especially given how much s1 emphasizes her growing to love journalism/investigative work. They had it in s1, then they just...forgot about it except briefly in s4 and s5, and then in s6 they really drove forward with it. But they could've had it as a plotline THROUGHOUT the show, instead of trying to shove her into a box she doesn't fit
OOH! I actually really like that!
Basically a sort of Lois Lane, reminds me of Smallville's Lois Lane
@@rhuonaChanel Or any Lois Lane, really. lol
The power inconsistencies are also a thing in the comics. At one point it's stated that the reason the main Rogues (Captain Cold, Heatwave, Mirror Master, etc) are still around is because both they and Flash treat their battles almost like a game, and Flash is holding way back
Fun fact: there is a episode of this show in the brazillian-portuguese dub version that someone didn't edited the audio properly and, in the episode, we can hear the voice actor say "this dialogue is shit". The actor recorded the line, than trash talked the line right after and the guy who should cut the insult from the record, simply didn't cutted out.
what episode? i wanna see it
I need to see this!
Just found it, not even the brazilian The Flash likes his lines XD
@@Josh-oj9mm czcams.com/video/3hPeau5Z3dw/video.html&ab_channel=nemseivideos
Say no more
"You can beat the villain Barry, because the power of love or whatever"
Straight facts
Now run, Barry RUN!
"Use the Care Bear Stare Barry."
@@renderimage7700 No that was just a stupid title he was given during Crisis. There's a world of difference between trying to talk sense into criminals who actually have guilt for their actions, fighting the irredeemable ones and what Barry's been doing in seasons 6 and 7 that is thinking that naively saying "Don't do this" will magically reform all criminals.
@@renderimage7700 Hell they called Kate Kane from Batwoman the "Paragon of Courage" when in Season 1 of that show she broke into Bruce's house, stole his Batman suit and gadgets, got angry at being mistaken for Batman despite being dressed like him, actually accused him of taking credit for her work when it was the other way around, said the Batsuit would only be perfect when it fits a woman, constantly let criminals she caught get away and instead of taking the ones she knocked out to either Blackgate or Arkham she just left them. She also kept letting her crazy sister Alice kill more people. So courageous "sarcasm."
Barry revealing that he is the flash to his mom is easily the best scene in the whole show.
I cried in that scene 😭
Seeing Jessica Parker Kennedy (Nora) acting like a child on The Flash was really weird after seeing her in Black Sails.
Especially since she's older than Grant Gustin and Candice Patton.
I find it fascinating how every CW superhero show has a good first season, a better second season, and then completely falls apart.
That’s why I’m worried for superman and Lois; however in arrows case it fell apart in season 4
Another special case is batwoman due to how bad it is
I don't know if I'd say Arrow season 4 was where it fell apart. More like season 4 was the crash caused by season 3 blowing the rails apart.
Supergirl might be the exception, since Season 2 was where the problems started to pop up and become more apparent.
@@TF2Fan101 I’d concur there. I’d also say another exception is Black Lightning since that was consistently good throughout.
@@TF2Fan101 I did like season 2 as it had a faithful superman
For me it's the repetitive, someone gets upset and leaves the room, and then the group looks at each other intensely and decides who is going to have the heart to heart. One person goes to talk to the upset person and then the issue is "resolved." Happens at least twice an episode.
Classic CW
THEY DID IT THREE TIMES IN ONE EPISODE
And the upset person never seems to make it past the hallway before its resolved. Relationships are easy in CW land.
What I hated was the fact that messing with time and creating new timelines or universes was such a cop out. Whenever the show wrote itself into a corner, it basically rebooted itself
Fr and they ALWAYS say " i got it"
It's crazy that Arrow and The Flash were both better shows when the titular characters were basically working alone. The best parts of Arrow were usually the flashbacks, Oliver working on his own, or him talking about the island. The polygraph episode is still my favorite. The reveal of him lying about the island because the people there tortured him was such a good reveal.
Barry working with a small team that is teaching him how to be a hero is good. And despite it being literally shown to us early on the reveal of Harrison Wells being Reverse Flash had some genuinely good writing. The team never questioned how Wells somehow knew so much about the speed force or how he knew how it felt to phase through a wall. Him talking about it was such a good nugget pointing to the reveal I wish that they kept us in the dark as much as the other characters were. So we could piece it together along with Barry.
I agree with everything you said about arrow that polygraph scene was so good. I’m pretty sure the detective seemed a little bit sad even though he hated Oliver. What it could have been.
As someone who was really into the show I agree when you say that season 3 was when things began to fall apart. I can’t really explain it but after they revealed who Savitar was it just felt dragged after that point and I just lost track of what was going on aside from the “fixed event” that was to happen.
I have a feeling Grant Gustin is extremely grateful for those episodes where he doesn't need to do anything. He (and most of the main cast) have probably settled into the Ackles/Padalecki 'paycheck' phase of their job, they know the show isn't good but it's paying for the mortgage.
Not Ackles/Padalecki being an adjective
Friendly space ninja needs to make a video on supernatural also.
Finally a SPN who admits the show has been trash for a significant amount of its runtime!!!
@@Dave102693 after season 5 spn was a hellhole
@@jhnnfr98 facts. I stop watching altogether after season 9. The first 5 seasons were height of the series.
I always hated how barrry is a way better character when he’s not in his own show
I understand
"you're not the flash barry, wE aRe"...fuck you talking bout lady
@@kr0nius351 it’s because he usually runs the same formula as a character.
@@tokkirae6157 Hehe, you said “run.”
@@kr0nius351 because he's the comic relief to Oliver's straight and brooding loner
Its so frustrating because "run barry run" is a phrase that follows him throughout his life but OH MY GOD your only supposed to use it in critical moments not EVERY SINGLE TIME SOMEONE TALKS TOO HIM
Season 1 was a quirky, yet oddly charming start to the series. Sure it had it’s flaws, but it’s episodic format and overarching story managed to pull me in. This was at a time I knew nothing about the Flash as a character and this show introduced me to Barry Allen for the first time. I was hooked on the first season and was eagerly anticipating the s2 premiere after the finale. However, you could detect the tonal shift by episode 2 of the second season and it never really recovered after that. I kept waiting and waiting through seasons 2 and 3 for it to return to the fun and quirky show that pulled me in, but it never did. I gave up watching regularly after season 3 and binged watched season 4 when it came out on Netflix. But after season 4 teased a return to it’s previous format but ultimately failed to deliver, I finally tuned out. It’s kinda sad thinking back on it.
Grant Gustin is a fantastic Flash, but I've always noticed how they never let him fully utilize Barry's sense of humor in the show. He sometimes felt more like Barry when he guest starred on Arrow or Supergirl.
I completely agree!! Barry is so funny in a way that no one else is. Not only his humor but his intelligence seems to be more remembered on the other shows (earlier) I mean I get it because the other characters fill roles but damn can he get a little slice of something 😓
I love Grant Gustin as The Flash bro… it’s a shame how the show he’s in isn’t as incredible as he is lmao
In just the bloopers he's so charismatic and funnu wtf
@@chanique261 because they force all the intelligence stuff to wells cisco and caitlyn when in reality barry can do everything they do in less than a second. that's why the whole team thing sucks because they put all this focus on the useless side characters that add nothing to the story when someone like barry can easily work solo and do everything faster by himself
Barry is not the funny one that was wally west when he became flash after Barry died
Barry every single time: "I can't do it, I'm not fast enough"
Supporting character every single time: "Run Barry... run"
Tom Cavanaugh is the only one who's allowed to say that honestly. He executed that line so perfectly, and hearing Iris say the line just wasn't it.
@@Standard-Gamer fr
It's the only reason they keep bring back Tom Cavanagh, so he can say it.
Forrest would be proud with all that run run-ing.
At this point Barry might as well be Forrest fucking Gump
As repetitive as “Run Barry, run” is, Tom Cavanagh absolutely kills it every time he delivers the line
Season 4 was my favorite because of the Thinker, his ability to think 40 years ahead makes him on of the best foils to the overpowered Flash you never know if anything that goes wrong for him is just part of an insanely long term plan. I loved the relationship he had with his wife in the show, especially the part where she discovered she had been mind wiped over and over stuck with me. Of course, the way they took him down was an asspull, there's no way this writing team could have managed otherwise.
No matter how cringey the show eventually got, watching the first season when it first came out is the most fun I've ever experienced watching tv
That first crossover with Arrow was an EVENT for me back in high school
The first season is actually so great though
The first season was amazing
Watching the first season for the first time is something I’ll never forget
I remember re scheduling my study courses so i can watch the newest episode of season 1 lol
My take on Iris is that they really shouldn't have had her be both Barry's adopted sister and love interest. Ignoring the Alabama vibes, if you can call them that, she doesn't have a clear relationship to Barry, and him basically falling in love with the person that he's been raised with is it really good indicator of how much they didn't know what to do with her.
Have Iris be a person who Barry is introduced to through some other way, such as being a reporter chasing down the same case that he's working, and have him build up relationship with her that is predicated first on their mutual respect for each other's capabilities, and then you'll have an interesting arc and love interest. However, when you have him just be in love with her because pseudosibling weird reasons, you have a character where you don't have a lot of room for them to grow
Grant Gustin is the Flash for me as well. Season 1 is a fantastic season. As a big Flash fan of both Barry and Bart, it was so awesome to see Barry brought to life.
"My name is Barry Allen, and I'm the Fastest man alive..."
*Gets hit by everyone's attacks* lol
😂😂 yeah true
I dont get how he can run so fast he travels through time and still there are scenes where he isnt fast enough?? what is happening???
@@brunak4356 that's what happens when comic book characters are brought into the cw they became trash 🗑️
@@brunak4356 they have to constantly nerf him, that’s the issues with speedsters, they are extremely op and you either gotta make all there villains speedsters or weaken them to make it fair
We joke about this every season. "I am the fastest man alive" yet every season theres a speedster faster than him... lol more like "My name is Barry Allen and I am one of the top 5 fastest men alive"
"Why did you kill my mother?"
"Because I hate you."
The Flash has 0 chance of ever becoming that good again
well not 0 but like 10%
Facts
yo lmao
@@spider-man3167 0
@@ArcTrooperRod-269 been rewatching the flash and yeah its definitely 0
My partner and I were fans of the show the first few seasons. (Except for Iris. I hated that character from the moment she appeared but that's another tangent lol) The thing that finally made us just give up was the inconsistent airing schedule. The show would air like 2 episodes then be "on break" for 2 weeks. Get another episode or two, then 2 more weeks without one. It was so hard to keep track of when the new episodes were actually on and we realized we didn't even really care to keep up. I honestly had no idea it had even made it to 7 seasons.
One point about Reverse Flash... Bringing him back, is probably the only true to the comic thing the writers did... Eobard is literally immortal in a way... He cannot be erased from the timeline, because he is crucial to the space continuum... If he is killed or destroyed or whatever, the universe will find a way to bring him back... He exists in all timelines and parallel universes simultaniously... He is literally unkillable or at least a version of him...
I get so frustrated whenever the show uses "Run Barry, Run" as a way to get him motivated. It worked so well in the first season. The phrase has lost all the charm and "power" it had because the show just uses it so damn much!
So true… it went from being a powerful motivator to a silly meme
And when they use it on other characters... yikes 😬
@@kuddlecat Exactly, it doesn't fit them either.
it's too Eobard related and that's what made it special: he was his very first mentor but turned out to be his worst enemy too
@@kemuelr2460 then don’t fucking watch it
Cisco, Caitlin and Barry were such a good trio in the beginning.
The best
I hate Caitlin she a third wheel
@@angels8920 third wheel between Barry and Cisco , that doesn't make sense dude
@@zex9904 no I'm talking in friendship and Purpose on the show
yep
I really loved season 2, possibly more than season 1, i really enjoyed zoom and his character arc in the show because he was basically the dark version of barry, his mom died but unlike barry he had no one to go to which is why he's evil, he sort of lashed out against the world and lost the feeling to care about people until he meets Caitlin which makes him think that maybe he doesn't have to be alone but after she rejects becoming evil with him, all he cares about is being as powerful as he can be so he can destroy the world that took everything from him
If I recall correctly, in the Injustice comics Flash is assertive enough to TURN HIS BACK ON SUPERMAN. I know that isn't the main timeline, and it takes several pretty horrible events, but it's such a ways from this Flash that needs everyone to hold his hand.
"You either die a Daredevil, or live long enough to see yourself turn into the flash"
Looooooooooool this is jokes
Le funny
Amen
Fax
Well said sir well said
I think the phrase “Run Barry, run.” worked well ONLY with the Reverse Flash. It was first a sort of encouraging phrase from him to Barry before he revealed he was the Reverse Flash, but then it became almost a way of mocking him and I loved that in Season 1. Buuuut now anyone says it sooooo…. Yeah
I love season 1, it's actually interesting compared to the rest, but i think the issue also came from there as the formula they use in every single episode coming after that is just the same but getting worse each time, the fights in season 1 actually carried weight as they tested barry's and his team's strenght (as well as speed) and sometimes, they would force the main villain to do smth (like how Eobart was almost forced to use his speed to run away from the electric lad). Now it all feels like an anime filler episode
The fucking dog next door: Run Barry run
@@ClaudetteVioletta 😂😂😂
POV: They're actually mocking him.
I actually think it works well with Barry's dad too and arguably Joe. Barry's dad telling him to run works well cause he was just a kid, and Eobard coming back and saying it to him as his mentor adds a connection to the 2 for Barry. Eobard is his mentor and idol and is repeating the same line thst Barry's father said to him when he was just a kid. As you said, its like reverse flash is mocking Barry. I wouldn't be surprised if he heard Barry's dad say that the night Nora died and holds that over Barry as encouragement and a reason to stay angry at him and get faster.
And I think Joe saying it works because Joe is that new father figure in his life. It only works like twice though. I think it's fitting for him to say it after zoom kills Henry to give us that sense of a passing of the torch moment almost.
Tragic is the perfect word to describe this show. S1 and 2 was so promising I only wish it got better. I think that's what people miss when talking about the flash. We ALL had hope that s1 and 2 was setting the stage for the show to find it's footing and and then get really good but the creators went the opposite direction
If I recall correctly, the Caitlin/Killer Frost was explained that kinda makes sense coz we are presented with new information that just wasn't there in the first place.
The main canon for them is that there had been Frost all along stagnant on Caitlin's head. So at the time where Caitlin was vulnerable or unsure this act up. It just so happens that it's also the time where Barry admits to doing the flashpoint.
In my head it makes sense for Killer Frost, the repressed, stagnant tool in Caitlin's head would act up and use this to try and get what she wants which what happens when "she turns evil". Remember at this time Cailtin doesn't forget what she does as KF so my theory is Frost is heavily suggesting in her head to do this and that. I mean when there's voices in your head you'd think you're losing your mind and not that there's another entity inside you.
When KF overrides their body, Caitlin probably steps aside and let the 'autopilot' do it's thing without again realizing that this autopilot is not an extension of her but a whole another person.
By S4 where she finally realize that there's two whole person and physically manifests itself, Frost is not being subtle about it, Caitlin just don't get absently get autopiloted but get kicked out of the driver's seat hence why she doesn't remember it this time when it's Frost that's on the seat.
When they finally knew about the truth about their existence and true origin, they try to get along moving on the same body, hence why at times the other is aware of what's happening even if they're not on the driver's seat. I imagine the stagnant would occasionally watch what the other is doing as opposed to the previous dynamic where they try to best each other to drive alone.
The origin about their dad also gives way to the answer why dark matter wasn't detected in Caitlin that time on S2. It's coz her powers did not come from the particle accelerator dark matter.
Like Cait's dad basically made a clone or potential clone to help with her illness, imagine like that storyline in my sister's keeper.
Then there's the wonky science explanation how they cloned and separated Caitlin and Frost. So that's how we arrived here.
I'm not saying it's oerfect but I think Caitlin/Frost thing kinda makes sense and not as bizarre as you made it seem.
All I'm saying is the origin and the dynamics between Caitlin/Frost is the lesser issue to talk about than how the writers give Caitlin so much trauma where she then have an angsty response from and then the next episode it's okay and brushed aside and then they'd bring it back again. I mean, I understand that trauma kinda works that way but like they throw Caitlin a man to be infatuated with for the first few seasons then they break up then she gets emotional again bout her dead husband but she also would seem sincere when daying another man.
Just like what they did with Iris and Eddie with "screw the future" which Eddie sacrificed his life for onky for Iris to move on with the man who he essentially saved by offing himself. It just that it made me root for westhawne and then we get the westallen bs where we are supposed to believe that they loved each other all along when Iris rejected and string along her technically not brother to be with Eddie and "screw the future". Smh
I swear every episode has "Barry let's talk" "Barry a moment" "Barry a word"
it's just 💀
I skip those parts
And "Run Barry run"
hallway talks
Ik!!!!!!!!!! It soo like.....
.. bBRUHHHHH
"Barry have a seat."
Barry in the comics: *runs to library to learn construction then rebuilds a crumbling building, all within literal fractions of a second*
CW Barry: *Runs Fast*
@@jac0bb episode*
CW Barry: Gets punched by someone without super speed. Repeats 1000x.
@@erikakerboom2101 🤣🤣🤣
wait he fucking did that? Damn. That is really fucking cool. I want to see that shit. I don't want to see him berated for being human and get shot by a dude with a potato gun.
@@Mangeen also
Gets distracted by somthing that takes like 2 seconds and the bad guy leaves
32:40 my mind just screamed skip as soon as that iris and Barry talking scene came up its just instinct by now
I loved Tom Cavanaugh in season 2, snarky Wells was everything.
what’s painful is that Grant is *so* good. he just has that look and emotion and snark that is all Barry Allen. I can’t imagine someone else doing what he does, and now he’s wasted in this show, and it’ll take ages until someone tries their hand on this kind of Flash story again, and it won’t be him. I like Flash in JL (the Zack Snider version) just fine, but there’s something about Grant that is perfect for this
Grant would have made a better Wally West than Barry Allen.
Grant is trash
@@FakeFriendsForever Hey Grant is not that bad. The problem is the script. The writing sucks
100% at least up until I stopped watching mid season 3 for the reasons mentioned in this video.
I remember people just saw a photo of him grinning in the suit and lost it. He made the show a hit before it aired with a grin!
I haven’t watched any of the shows covered: Riverdale, Sabrina and Flash but watching Space Ninja break down why these shows didn’t work is weirdly entertaining
Same.
I watched some of their seasons but I stopped. Thank god
Same-I’d rather watch commentary of the shows rather than watching the shows themselves
same
I watch a channel that reviews board games. I hadn't played a board game for decades. I didn't buy one for years watching them either, until they really did an amazing one and had to just get it.
Been watching them for close to 8 years and bought 1 game. But I watch every new video they put out practically immediately.
TLDR, I get ya.
@FriendlySpace This IS a video I have NEVER forgotten. Simply because you hit it on the nail PERFECTLY and echo so many truths about modern TV and movie writing, I've felt about for a long time. And sadly, about the Flash and Arrow.
Since this video was uploaded your spot on wisdom has been proven right in so many movies and TV shows since. CW was once a fantastic place for comic book fans and created a superb TV universe. Their "Crisis" event was a true treat for fans because they bought back a lot of universes and actors from the past. CW actually beat MCU to the multi verse by many years as well as proving these characters CAN work in the same screen together.
But, as shown in this video, somewhere along the way CW started to become lazy and it's CLEAR even the actors on The Flash and Arrow started to look either bored or aware they were being served with substandard material. You can even tell it on their faces or body language.
SURELY it's not rocket science to realise that adding new characters constantly will choke and damage main characters? When it was literally up to 9 characters made up of main and supporting characters the show had balance. It flowed and paced well.
The audience ARE NOT STUPID. And their patience isn't limitless. Hollywood clearly looks down on us. Tragic because, as the Flash and Arrow showed, when you have the audience on your side, it creates a result where we're winners.
Worst of all? CW betrayed the great actors who worked so hard to start the CW universe from the start.
David
I just love all of your videos so much, thank you pour ton travail :)
The inconsistency I found most hilarious is one episode where he is able to run to China and back in a few seconds, but in the next, he is unable to run across a large vestibule and back in time to prevent a villain from running out the door.
Is that the Goldberg episode?
@@tanvirali7817 I don’t remember it that detailed. *spoiler alert* it was when he was in prison, and while the camera was off him, he ran his cell mate to China and returned before the camera rotated around again.
Then one or two episodes later, someone distracts him by dropping civilians from the upper floor, and he doesn’t have time to run across the lobby and save them before the villain escapes. I think he actually runs slower than a regular human sprinter in that scene, just with the lightning effects added.
@@alexp6712 Yeah it was the fucking Goldberg lol. Flash really had the weirdest inconsistencies like The final battle with Savitar who's like The fastest Guy ever but Jay , Barry And Wally caught up to him like he was a regular speedster. Also the plot of Wally being faster than Barry never went anywhere. It's so damn frustrating and that's why I dropped it after S4.
@@alexp6712 You'll love the new episodes. You know that whole time traveling thing Barry loves to do and loads of speedsters semi-regularly do? Apparently Barry goes "evil" finds out it was reverse Flash manipulating the timeline to make him the flash and Barry the reverse flash (without explaining how) but to undo that Barry needs to time travels which suddenly causes the earth to break into pieces. (Why now? Who knows.)
@@tanvirali7817 They never said he was faster, just that he adapted to his speed faster than Barry did. And apparently almost everyone that gains speed does… Having said that, would we really want to watch a show where every new speedster is much much slower than Flash?
The moment flash got ruined was when iris said, "No Barry, we are The Flash" ...
You coulda stopped that sentence at "Iris".
@@doomstadt2371 LMFAO
@@doomstadt2371 lol
Exactly. Iris became unbearable after season 3
Everyone says this but Barry literally says” we were all struck by that lighting” to the team in season 1
The problem with this flash is this... In order to have enough going on to fill a whole tv show, they couldnt just focus on one character. So they had to make a team. The only way a team will work is if the flash needs them. The only way for him to need them is for him to never evolve and shed the team, so he stuck in a constant "need help" state. The flash is constantly dealing with other dc characters in the comics, but they dont have the rights. So the show itself is what makes him a bad flash.
But what defines "a whole TV show"? Plenty of shows focus on one character and maintain traditional support roles. The key is to not order 22 episodes for a story that only needs 6. That's the *real* issue with most American cable TV shows - the episodes are made to order so that the network can pump out as many ads as possible, instead of the creative team dictating how many episodes are actually needed to tell the story they want to tell.
I so badly hated Iris in this show that it was the first time I had to struggle to separate the actor from the character. Normally, I just...can do that. But Patton's face being so inextricably linked to the character I most hated in that show for so long made it difficult. Just like Gustin is the Flash in a positive way, Patton is Iris in a negative way. And that shit with Nora and Thawne did not make it easier.
this is how i felt about Danielle Panabakers characters
@@kiki123097what was wrong with Caitlin and Frost?
Candice patton is an awful actress. I’m sorry, but she is just so bad. Her acting was cringe, her character is extremely useless and I really wish she was killed at the end of season 3. Only character most people gave a damn about until the very end was Barry, even Thawne became stupidly overused and I feel as though Tom’s acting downgraded throughout the seasons. 4/10 show, season 1-3 were the only good seasons
I actually think that Iris could have worked really well if they leaned into the reporter thing more from the beginning. I only saw seasons 1 and 2 of Daredevil, but Karen Page always felt like what Iris should have been. A regular person who didn’t need powers or incredible combat training or genius intellect to go up against bad guys. Someone with street smarts, empathy and determination to uncover the truth and expose corruption. That would have given her a unique niche on Team Flash instead of forcing her into becoming the team leader (for some reason) or a speedster.
They should've leaned into it at the very least by S3, but they didn't until....S6?
I 100% agree, Karen was Matt's love interest, but she was still her own person outside of this relationship. She was a 3 dimensional character with her own goals, she made mistakes and actually had to suffer the consequences of those mistakes. She never needed any powers to contribute, and never tries to take the spotlight away from everyone else. Nothing ever feels forced and we actually care about her.
Also I highly recommend watching Daredevil Season 3
Like Lois in Superman and Lois. She’s awesome
@@kicker3186 true. Unlike Lois, Iris felt so force
@@kicker3186 omg thank u! Lois in SandL is amazing
Berry: „I can’t run“
Supporting character: „would you run for a Scooby snack?“
Berry: „say no more“
"Roh ruh raggy"
Hahaha
I would do anything for a Scooby snack
@@someweirdo8380 would you cure cancer for a scooby snack?
@@jessegeigerjr.7498 yes. I said anything and I mean anything
Videos like this are so gratifying because it's such a relief to quit a show in frustration and then see years later that I was right to abandon hope and cut my losses 🙌🏽
I will disagree on one point. The number of episodes is fine. You do NOT need a season-long arc in EVERY show. You can just have a show where things happen, then they move on. Having a 2-3 episode (or 3-4 episode) stories within a season would be fine. (Then have several single episode stories).
Shows like that can easily fall flat with alot of people. Treating episodes from a show like movies completely throw out the benefit shows have over movies, which is they have more time to expand on characters and tell a larger story that some movies can’t. If a show changes all the time with a new 2 - 3 episode arc, it can feel like the plot is lacking with no end or point in sight.
Barry: “I’m the Flash.”
Iris: “See that’s what you don’t get. You are not the Flash. We are.”
Pretty much sums up every direction this CW show is going in
🤣🤣 ...sorry iris did I miss when u got struck by lightning?
And thats what makes this show garbage.. sad.
Power of friendship, my little pony style?
lmao does change hurt you?>
Hate that line so much man. Hated even more now since Barry and Iris re-creates the speed force a supernatural force with the POWER OF THEIR LOVE!! WHAT???
I didn’t mind sticking with Flash thru 6 seasons but when they defeated Eva in the finale by CONVINCING HER TO STOP I was done 😂😂😂😂
Shit! That was me. Then I STRAIGHT UP gave up.
They hit her wit the Talk no Jutsu 😂
mate before you done... lets talk about this..
So you guys watched season 3……🥴
Barry: stop this!
Eva: no!
Barry: dont' do bad things!
Eva: but i want to!
Barry: pretty please?
Eva: ok.
...
The Flash s6 in a nutshell.
The biggest problem with the flash is it lost the light joking/camp tone that made it fun. Legends of Tomorrow has really taken on that mantle
Legends deserved a better series finale, not a cliffhanger that will never be resolved.
@@davidflores0227 it did but it was the most enjoyable of the remaining shows in later seasons. arrow was very hit or miss and the flash never matched earlier seasons
-Mr. Wells, what's your favourite drink?
-Rum, Barry, Rum!
I feel bad for Candace Patton, it's not her fault the writers fucked her character up and now everyone hates her character. Candace deserves better. I pray she leaves this show, and gets better roles.
Exactly. People have been sending her death threats all because of her role in the show.
The character herself didn't have much of a backstory or depth to begin with even in the comics. She's just The Flash's Lois Lane
@@Velocity_YT wow that's insane
I actually went to see her in the Houston Fan Expo and she's exactly like her character. I wasn't impressed XD
@@Mr_Demeanor I have a feeling that your lying
I feel like the CW's motto is: "You Either Die A Hero, Or You Live Long Enough To See Yourself Become The Villain" because they refuse to cancel shows even when everyone that once love them, thinks they are awful
It still baffles me that Smallville went on for ten seasons. We had to watch Lex "fall in love with" Lana Lang to keep up drama in Clark's life.
And then there are their other shows like Crazy Ex-Girlfriend which had great writing throughout but every season had to worry about getting canceled.
Honestly this show has been suffering from bullshit contrivances and manufactured conflicts since the beginning of season one. Barry stopping to chat with the bad guy instead of knocking them right the fuck out or relocating them, that’s been an problem since season one.
There is no reason that a show should take more than 6 seasons to tell its story.
Unless you are a show based on lots of books like GOT, which actually had the opposite problem and needed a lot more seasons
@@Cityweaver If you hate season 7 of The Flash: czcams.com/video/gLWocyWOOCE/video.html
Along with Barry's powers being inconsistent, they also consistently do things that end up taking Barry's powers away, which gets frustrating as hell after the second or third time it happens
18:35 _"But then season 4 completely ignores that."_
This is a big recurring issue. A season ends in some way. Then the very startof the next season just says "nah". This happens a lot in movie series that haven't been fully planned out as well. Instead of developing the stuff they've already set up, they just throw it away and make up something new. It's as if they don't know how to write longer spanning stories.
This is full of painful truths as a longtime Arrowverse fan. My nostalgic love for the series makes me want to argue your points, but they're all true. I can barely stand the show anymore.
Hi Ink Tank
Danm
The show use to be so good in the first 2 seasons (I thought season 3 was okay)
Just wait till the CW somehow gets Ben 10. Oh boy would they have a field day with the multiverse version of Gwen having the Omnitrix.
Star Wars, He-man, Batwoman, Supergirl, Wandavision, Loki, Ms. Marvel vibes
@@TheKpa11 it sounds like amazing dream in the mind, but something you never wanted it to happen lol
I like how many times you pointed out that it's not the actors that are doing a bad job, it's the writing. Which is 100% true, Grant Gustin is THE Flash, and the fact that we can all see that despite the shit writing just proves how amazingly well he fits the character. Just imagine what he could do with some actual good writing.
I dropped off after season 5, and it's just heartbreaking to see how far the show has fallen. Really hope they manage to pull something coherant together by the finale.
You can tell the actor playing iris doesn’t really put her all in her scenes like she use to in the past seasons. I stayed past S6 but seventh was almost unwatchable for me
@@tweeks9896 from the few clips I've seen of the later seasons, it feels like all the OGs that haven't left yet are just sleepwalking through their scenes. Especially Joe and Iris yeah. They all deserve so much better.
@@ItsNik97 definitely
@@ItsNik97 yeah Joe actor looks like he's depressed half the time
Honestly? I think they’re getting bored of it? Clearly imo Tom and grant are the only ones giving there all despite the writing.
I think i've heard the fraise "I'll go talk to her/him" more times in this show than i will ever do in my life. The good ol' corridor pep talk
I still remember watching the season one finale and being in tears when Barry had to let his mom die, I stopped watching midway through season 4 and I’m kinda happy I did. Watching these characters become cardboard cutouts and cliches was too much.
Season trailer: Barry outrunning a galaxy-level threat.
Season content: Iris's dad pregnancy scare while meeting the in-laws with his too-young girlfriend.
STOPPPPP this is so true and makes me wanna cry
So you are saying that iris's dad can get pregnant...
@@GarmrsBarking why was this how i read that comment lmfao
I want to watch my favourite superhero the Flash, not Iris Family Drama crap. Better change the show name into Iris the Journalist
HUH?
I agree. the thing that killed the show for me was when suddenly EVERY SINGLE ONE of the side characters had powers
Riight. In season 7 suddenly Barry’s whole family just ends up with superpowers out of knowhere. And when they go to fight the villain, they don’t even use super speed. They use lighting stars and lighting swords and shit 💀. I was like wtf even is this show. There seems to be no real plot, plot twists, no more humor, it’s so bland
That is the problem with the CW. All they make is soap operas. At it's heart ALL of their shows are trashy soap operas for a niche audience. Like trashy soap operas for teens or trashy soap operas for nerds or trashy soap operas for other nerds or a remake / spinoff of an existing trashy soap opera. I should know I love trashy middle eastern soap operas. But I go in knowing after season 1 things are going to get convoluted and unbelievably crazy. Everyone's going to have an evil twin, people will start faking their deaths and by the time the show wraps up everyone will have f***** everyone at least once in the most dramatic way possible. But by it's very nature trashy soap operas are not well written they have a very specific formula they use as a blueprint for every single episode and every single season. They use up all their good ideas in season 1 and they're hoping you care enough about the characters by the end of season 1 you'll sit through the next 15 seasons. But most people don't enjoy trashy soap operas and I don't blame them, I have never finished a full soap opera because it gets too wild and also somehow boring by season 4 and I actually enjoy them. But people who go into these shows thinking that it's going to be an actual good show or who don't know that CW exclusively makes soap operas are going to be really disappointed and really let down and I feel bad for them!
@@Kendi.K sounds goofy af. Some shit a 10 year old would write.
Nah Supernatural was definitely a soap opera especially in the final seasons. One of CWs biggest problems was they had no clue when they had good storylines or villains.
AGREED!!!
I agree with you 100%, I couldn’t put my finger on it but to me I couldn’t find out why, but it became a chore sometimes watching the episodes and I gave up a lot earlier I would say after season 2 and then came back and forth, catching episodes here and there, and just reading up on the flash. For me, I think the big thing was also Wally West wasn’t cast properly. I’m used to the strawberry blonde, geeky prankster, and I could just never really get across the way CW went with casting. Wally West, or just wasn’t true to the comic.
Wow, I'm glad I binged the show after it's run and before seeing videos like this because I had a great experience from beginning to end. I can imagine things feeling off if I had to wait episode and season to season, though.
Love the characters!
the biggest issue with the series is that they didn't bother being consistent with the Flash's actual power. 90% of the villains on the show wouldn't be able to hold a candle to him.
For real, sometimes he’s faster than _lightning_ and others seems to be frozen in time. Other times it seems to be as fast as a bicycle.
Yeah he literally gets beaten by thugs and people with martial arts training. Even Batman couldn't defeat flash unless he predicted him.
Exactly, he should be super powerful but somehow keeps struggling with minor villains even now in season 9
YES! There's a whole channel that talks about this in the first three seasons of the flash, "The flash is terribly inconsistent" if you want to check it out. (Just fyi, he does swear a lot though).
I love how there's this one episode where Barry moves so fast they contain an entire episode in the space of a few seconds, and in another episode he gets tripped by marbles and then can't find the normal ass person who fled on foot literally seconds earlier.
"Barry as a character is just running in circles"
gets me every time.
If you hate season 7 of The Flash: czcams.com/video/gLWocyWOOCE/video.html
Great video as always!
Caitlyn should have become a full on villain and could have made an entire season revolving around Killer Frost and trying to save Caitlyn and bring her back. Now that would have been cool and interesting. Seeing Barry wrestle against a foe who is actually a friend. Instead, I feel like they tried to do too many things with her character in smaller arcs.
I also wanna know how they wrote “Run, Barry, Run.” 30,000 times and nobody said “Dude, shut up.”
OMG THIS 😂 It was chilling the first few times especially during the death of Barry’s mom but they kept doing it even Oliver says it and it just sounds ridiculous now
it reminds me of glee covering don't stop believin' on every "special" occasion 🥴
If Barry looked a bit pale they'd go "Sun Barry sun." Or if someone was aiming a weapon at him "Gun Barry gun." Or if he ran past a church "Nun Barry nun."
Also the advice sucks: he's a speedster! Of course he's gonna run! What other options does he have?
The Flash show describes my life perfectly: peaked in the first stage and has now devolved into a series of cringey and boring events ever since
Does that mean when it gets cancelled, you’ll uh ….. commit die?
The peak wasn’t even that good in the first place
this is the opposite of Agents of SHIELD
@@realhumanbean7915 very true
@@realhumanbean7915 Dang man that’s his life!
"Time travel is really hard to write about!"
Where that this hoodie was a time hoodie
I know this is a necro post but I just found this channel and I love it. I just wanted to mention too Barry was ok with going back In time for a decade or so but when it comes to just going back 5 secs to undo a world ending disaster all of a sudden he's like "no we can't, it's too dangerous" even tho going back 5 flicking secs wouldn't have any type of negative effect on the time line at all 😂😂😂
I love how in elseworlds Oliver queen says “I don’t think you can go over 9 hours without getting a sappy motivational speech” so this means the writers know what’s going on but just don’t care
Self awareness means nothing if they’re just going to follow through with it any way.
@@thomasraines1396 i disagree. It makes it a whole lot worse
@@Maudios oh no that’s what I’m going with, they know what they’re doing and they refuse to change.
@@thomasraines1396 exactly. At best, that kind of self awareness is just pointless and adds nothing.
At worst it actively harms the show because, as originally pointed out, it just shows that the writers see what’s going on, they just don’t give a shit.
@@primroseprom it’s terrible.
The worst thing about Iris is that she grew up with Barry together and has seen him work through his grief closer than anybody, so her calling Barry insensitive for not trusting his mother's killer makes absolutely no sense at all. That scene ruined her character beyond redemption for me and the showrunners keep putting her at the forefront and make her the sole reason for any of Barry's actions which is pathetic.
@@LannetteActing Not even the point. The POINT is that she literally called Barry insensitive for not trusting Thawne. Let YOUR arch-nemesis murder your mother over some petty B.S. reason and then have to decide whether to trust him or her in the future and then let your spouse call you insensitive for not trusting the arch-nemesis. Thawne is the reason for literally EVERY season of the Flash it all connects to him. In season 1 he's the Reverse Flash and in the finale he created an opening for Zoom to come by for Season 2 who then murdered his father who then made Barry create Savitar which led to the end of H.R. Wells. Thawne created DeVoe which led to Cicada (both of them). Thawne created Mirror Monarch. Almost every loss if not every loss Barry suffers is connected to Thawne murdering Barry's mother. But hey Barry's insensitive right?
I remember I hated Iris for that scene so much, I was screaming at the show, Iris you stupid person, nooo, poor Barry felt so bad for him
@@LannetteActing you are missing the point. It is not about choosing between dead mom and daughter from future. Barry has seen thawne kill his mother in front of him and he couldn't do anything. He is the very reason Barry can't trust anyone that looks like Harrison Wells for a long time. Why do you think he should trust Thawne with his daughter, he did not want him to ruin their lives anymore. Anyone with a logical mind would take this decision
I keep praying the writers will steal the idea from Barry’s pre-Crisis comics and move Iris somewhere in the future to protect her (and the kids, later) from Thawne and other speedsters.
The part that I didn’t like about iris is when she says Barry was too late in telling her how he feels about her while he was in a fucking coma .
Oh no an evil fast man has appeared
barry can't beat him
sad
barry have you tried running faster
no
run faster
barry runs fast and beats evil fast man
oh no an evil fast man has appeared
best comment ever
It's easy to say this In hindsight mr. Space ninja, but I'd have to agree from season 4 on it seemed on the way down. For me? The last nail on the coffin was THE RED DEATH WAS ONLY A 5 , OR 6 EPISODE ARCH???????!!!!!!! What my guy? The red death could've revitalized th3 show and could've been expanded for at least 1 full season. The red death comic is SOOOOOOOOO GOOD! As you say, " It slaps"! Anyway, I'm a new sub and huge fan of your work. Please keep it up mang! You're great!!
“Writing is everything”. Absolutely true. It’s the end all, be all.
If you hate season 7 of The Flash: czcams.com/video/gLWocyWOOCE/video.html
So true
“…If this show introduces one more character that refers to Barry and Iris as, “Mom,” and, “Dad,” I am going to shoot a cannonball right into the $@&$ sun!” This is the most hilarious thing I’ve ever heard!
Thank you! I suffer through all of this shows bullshit, but THIS is what’s the final straw for me. Grown ass people seamlessly just calling them mom and dad without missing a beat. It’s so irritating I want to chuck my tv out the window.
It absolutely killed me when Deon kept calling Barry dad. There was a whole 90s episode establishing he's older than Barry, he's probably got his own parents, why the hell would that guy call Barry dad?!
Honestly isn't there a multiverse so shouldn't there be other versions of Barry children that isn't iris just saying a miss opportunity right there
Oh wait till you meet the twins.
You’re gonna have a blast
@@silentastral Nora and Bart aren't twins. Don and Dawn being replaced with them really pissed me off.
Honestly glad the actress for patty spivot left to play a character on the boys. She was great in that role
I think batwoman is the only show that can get away with the “team” aspect, because the Bat family is such an integral part of the bat universe
I think that generally non super hero’s can work with a team set up
Its really hard to write the Flash, because his speed should solve pretty much everything within a few minutes of the intro. So his speed varies tremendously not just from episode to episode but from scene to scene. He can either dodge bullets, or cannot dodge a punch, depending on what the writer wants to do.
They should have stuck with Flash's rogue gallery being oddly light hearted and sympathetic. Like, I remember a scene from the comics where Trickster is causing trouble but Flash asks him if he has been taking his meds. Not as an insult, seriously asking him and Trickster reveals he hasn't. Flash talks him down and gets him help. I loved that scene. Flash actually knows his villains and cares about the why behind their issues. Scenarios like that would have been awesome to see in the show.
YES. Even the _Justice League: Unlimited_ cartoon included this plot point in one episode. Even better, the Trickster is voiced by Mark "The Joker" Hamill. =)
I just want them to point to the ADHD, and they don't have to come up with excuses why he can dodge a bullet then runs into a punch. Barry is late again, Barry forgot he can throw lightning again because he was focusing on pure speed, Barry got analysis paralysis again because his brain sees a hundred steps to a simple task. I know Impulse is more often portrayed as stereotypical ADHD kid, but Arrowverse Barry fits an adult who learnt to cope, it's not a rare thing, and saying it runs in the family is realistic.
Crazy idea: villains arent obvious attention vvhores but instead intelligent criminals who avoid lime light and Barry with his forensic skills (you know, his actual job) and with the help of the team he needs to figure out who is the criminal. Meanwhile the rest of the time writers can actually explore characters in the show and their relationships. Just because Barry is fast and superhero that doesnt mean that is all there it is to be in the show.
@@ChaosPrototypeIX That's actually an excellent idea. One Flash rogue with plenty of potential here is Murmur, a former surgeon turned serial killer who's trademark is removing his victim's tongue.
They could also go the route _Batman: Arkham City_ took and revamp some of their villains to be more realistic/serious; for example, turning Calendar Man into a serial killer.
Flash went downhill when Wells became just a guest star but I get it, his back was hurting from carrying the show
exactly
30:03 Do you think that the second “run” is necessary for Barry to start running? Like, if someone say “run, Barry!!” He would just stand still waiting for that second “run” 😂
when i hear lupin , money heist and the good place have lower budget im flabbergasted, even stranger things s1 like whatttt