CW formula for a series: 1)find an underrated cast 2)create a solid foundation 3)campy storyline 4)get you to watch the 1st season or so and be invested 5) fuck it up 6)whatever is left, fuck that up too 7)end series 8)pat selves on thier back
Also heavy handed political messages that are so overbearing and poorly done it annoys the audience despite the audience probably agreeing with the general sentiment of the message.
It’s step 4 tho😂that’s literally what happened to me with the flash and arrow, you get through season 1 and 2 and become invested and they slowly just stop giving a shit
They skipped over what's arguably the most interesting part about Supergirl. Superman was born on Krypton but was raised on Earth. He has no memory of Krypton or its tragic end. His notion of Krypton comes from archives and holograms. Kara was born and raised on Krypton. She had friends and family, a whole life and then she watched as her world literally burned. Everything and everyone she had ever known was wiped out. The only thing that keeps her from completely breaking down is the fact that she has a mission, to find and protect her infant cousin except by the time she reaches Earth, her cousin not only doesn't need protecting, he's a revered icon of this primitive alien world. The first season of Supergirl should really have been about that. It should be about her having PTSD, survivor's guilt, about dealing with her trauma and her resentment for Clark and the world he calls home. It should have been about her learning about Earth and figuring out if she can have a life and not be consumed by misery. Really the last episode of the first season should have been Kara putting on the suit for the first time. But instead they just skipped over all that dramatic potential and made her a Superman clone. Look, the first season of Supergirl wasn't bad but the whole show ended up being a waste of the character and a waste of potential.
Damn now I want to watch a superhero show with an actually good plot with complex characters like this. If anybody knows of any, or animes with complex characters like what was described in this comment please hit me with recommends
You're totally right, and I think the biggest mistake in this show was the fact that the story starts like many years after she arrive to earth, because what you're saying it's more something she had to deal with in her early years, it would've been very interesting to see her path to become a hero, but it never happened, that's a huge waste of potential
The video covers this. I see a few difficulties going with this: 1. The woman playing Supergirl would have to be a young girl, not an adult woman. Or you cast an adult to play a high school aged kid like most TV shows and movies do. 2. In casting a young girl as your star you now have to follow labor laws about shooting with minors. Some of the biggest drawbacks to this are 8 hr work days max, 48 hrs per week max, schooling has to be provided, and can only work during specific hours of the day. That's a lot to deal with for your LEAD actor and show's namesake. 3. A young Kara doesn't match up with The Flash and Green Arrow. How can you do crossover team-ups when 2 of the 3 are adults? 4. You have more to censor. How is an audience going to react to seeing a young girl getting punched and beat up? Even though she has super strength, durability, etc, she is still human in appearance which comes with rules. I think a 1st season focusing on this was THE way to go but for live action it makes it extremely difficult when a simple time jump is a lot easier.
so in other words; Clark is a "Shield" while Kara is a "Sword." He guards people while she attacks problems, something the writers forgot, and just made her Superman in a skirt.
@@liaminator4950 Holy fuck, you're right, jesus christ, even down to the whole "I don't belong with them", "Killing? BADASS", "Saving humans isn't my primary concern, dealing with the threat is" and identifying and focusing more on the fact that Superman was kryptonian than human, even though Superman's whole point is that he's human first kryptonian second, while Supergirls whole point is that she identifies more with her Kryptonian identity than her human one, hell, even the moment where Superman was more mad at the fact that he killed Zod, the last other Kryptonian besides himself more than caring about the millions of humans that died, that is a textbook Supergirl moment where she'd be mad about killing the only other member of their species, jesus christ what a massive fuck up
you know what's crazy? Smallville got supergirl better way back in season 7. She comes to earth as a late teenager, she's focused, stubborn, outspoken but not annoying, and she's not just a female clark. Why they couldn't just map this supergirl show off smallville's supergirl will forever elude me.
Eh. Benoist is mediocre. She works as this lame version of Supergirl, but wouldn't fit the edgier teen version from the comics... who's more interesting. And visually Laura V was hotter. She'll be easy to replace
@@Knightfall182 It's not the actor that's mediocre, it's the writers who are. Can 100% guarantee that if hbo max existed years ago and picked up this show it would have been far better than what we got. Especially if it was in a seperate universe from the arrowverse just so we wouldn't have to deal with the cw crap lol
@@Knightfall182 she was great as red k supergirl and when she went slightly dark at the beginning of season 3 after mon-el left. I wish the writers had done more with that.
@@Torpid6441 The 100 had a lot of great character development. Sure, the first couple of episodes were very CW-esque but after that they strayed away from that.
Melissa Benoist is such a good actress and I LOVE her as Supergirl and I despise how CW just shat all over both Kara and Melissas potential. I especially love the concept of Alex Danvers and her relationship with Kara and what that brought and could brought to BOTH their arcs. Im so angry CW did them both fucking dirty.
Melissa though, still had some views (not all, but some) that aligned with what the CW wanted in terms of changing or influencing the audience - like how masculinity (the idea that all men are universally evil beings) should stamped out by women in today's culture, and like the video says the writers wanted to compare (or unseat) Superman to only Kara having greater achievements over her cousin. It's almost like how Disney made Disey Ridley become Rey Skywalker while making Luke Skywalker be ousted in the sequel trilogy & making Rey all perfect in everyone's eyes. In contrast, in Legends, the fans wanted Luke to still play a major role in the stories of Thrawn and others while creating new female characters that don't take away from Luke's part in the universe to face new threats after the original series. Melissa is a good actress, but some in the CW casting & directors had agendas that many in the audience likely saw would later doom the show in the long run. I am only saying this as an independent viewer who has watched many shows (like The Flash, for example) that have tried to do similar things and only met a very brief footnote in television history. CW needs to learn the lessons from what their previous show, Smallville, brought to the table and why people loved that show even after almost two decades since it aired. That show did Supergirl justice, for what it's worth.
I’m so tired of the DC Universe being ruined. It really has potential, but the people making it have no idea who the character are. The animated universe is so good!
@@forestfilms472 My gods. How can anyone think _Wonder Woman 1984_ is good? Even when you ignore the fact that Diana basically rapes a guy like way too many people seem to choose to do, that movie might actually might be the most nonsensical entry in the entire DCEU, which is saying a lot. That's not a rhetorical question by the way. I legitimately want to know how anyone can think that movie was good given everything wrong with it.
As much as i agree supergirl is bad. I dont think that comparison does justice to how bad the last airbender movie was. That stuff aged my soul and turned me into a bitter man. It plummed depths of mediocrity that didnt exist before it.
Supergirl's Red Lantern arc is unironically one of her best stories aside from her origin story. In some ways it fits her well because her character is really built around her two conflicting traits of both anger and a sense of justice. At the same time, even though she's the most powerful Red Lantern and the Red Lanterns are really glad to have her around when there's a fight, they also recognize that she's not truly HAPPY as a Red Lantern, despite being so good at it. At some point Guy Gardner (who defected from Green to Red) actually convinces Kara to leave the Red Lanterns, which she does by flying into the sun and ripping off the ring (she has to do this since a Red Lantern removing their ring usually results in death without the aid of a Blue Lantern). Guy also doesn't want her to die in their upcoming fight against Atrocitus, the former founder of the Red Lantern Corps. She had so many cool defining character traits that made her different from any other superhero, and in the show we got NONE of them. Such a shame.
I always felt like Doomsday was lucky Kara wasn't there when he showed up and beat up Clark cause she would have just accepted all the collateral damage and beat him to death
This video has now convinced me that I need to read Super Girl. I am not that into DC comics, beyond Batman, and I always assumed that SuperGirl was a genderbent version of Superman, mainly based off of this show and the old movie made of her, so I never gave her a chance. So hearing what she is actually about kind of shocked me. She sounds INCREDIBLY interesting, and it baffles me that they have not taken even a little bit of what she is actually about and translated it to screen. Just listening I can, in a way, relate to her, and as a child I know I would have loved her as having ADHD and a bit of an anger issue made me feel like I was all alone and a complete outsider.
I'd say if you haven't already start with something like woman of tomorrow, the story's amazing, characterisation is on point, the writing is brilliant and the art style and colouring is jaw dropping consistently. On top of that its quite short being about 8 issues or so, so if it isnt your thing its not that big of a deal and it is also really cheap off of amazon, last I checked for all of them its like £10.
@@dadeleemurphy85 What? I tried to get into it ages ago, but there were a few too many gatekeepers in the community so I dropped it and focused on Marvel instead.
@@RoseWilder if there's anything to learn from gatekeepers is to never listen or interact with them. Enjoy media in you're own way and interact with those that actually have something to say rather than "WoMeN bAd, StOrY bAd"
I mean, they didnt really nail it with Ruby Rose. Also, Arrowverse Oliver is just small screen Batman. Meanwhile, Supergirl was casted by CBS, so only good casting they really nailed was Grant as the Flash.
Not to the same degree as Supergirl. It tends vary, based on each heroes strength/abilities - but in reverse. So at the human end of things, you've got Oliver who consistently won most of his fights on Arrow with very little help from any of his increasing band of sidekicks. Next up is Barry who gets his ass kicked a little and needs a bit more help from his respective entourage, but he still gets more than a few victories and fundamentally, he is usually allowed to operate at full power. Then there's Kara. And because she's basically uber-powerful, the writers consistently have no clue how to incorporate that into a story. And so begins a literally weekly list of reasons why every episode's baddie of the week is stronger than her. And that's not taking into account her general nerfing, not least of which are the countless times she seems to forget she has super speed.
@@whocaresguy yea also allegra feels very forced idk why the writers decided to make her series regular, everytime we see her, i lose interest in that scene they are adding so many main characters, there is literally 12 main characters now
That was honestly unexpected. I have always assumed that Supergirl was just a female counterpart to Superman. I was really intrigued when you explained her true character in the comic.
My favourite part was when Lena went from a generally good Lex hater to basically being Lex and devising an evil plan that would hurt innocent people because Kara kept her SECRET identity SECRET for the exact reason that any hero has a SECRET identity, to protect the people close to them. It was even more contrived than an already enormously contrived set of shows. It was also greatly weighed down with whatever political messages that were also incredibly contrived.
I totally forgot that part. OMG. You find out your best friend is Supergirl and then care about when she told you? Seriously? I would think she would be unable to contain her excitement. My friend is supergirl. You are freaking Supergirl. "you know you can't tell anyone".. ugh..why did you tell me? How can I keep this a secret? ugh. Ok, I have sooo many questions now. This is amazing! I am so honored that you would tell me. Instead she is angry with her. What? In what universe does that actually make sense? I was thinking what a di** friend. Kara should have just leave and never speak to her again.
@@donutwindyYou do realize Supergirl went behind Lena’s back to tell James to find her “secret” stash of kryptonite only to find out she was making it anyway? James was about to but the refused an eventually told Lena he was asked by Supergirl. This is what caused their descending friendship, and to learn she was Kara the entire time would lead you to believe what else is she lying to your face about?
Even before I knew nothing about the comic Supergirl, my favorite episode was always the one where she was exposed to Red Kryptonite - she just seemed so much more badass and down-to-earth than the innocent, ever cheerful supergirl we got
22:24 Bro, remember in S1 when Cat Grant deduced that Kara was Supergirl and then told her to her face that she'd worked this out, thanking her for saving her life time after time in a genuinely effective and touching moment that promised to move these two characters forward? Aaaand then next episode opens on Kara trying frantically to convince Cat that she's not actually Supergirl despite the infinitely more dignified and logical option being to just accept it, and then the episode ends on Martian Manhunter using his powers to make it look like Kara and Supergirl are in the same room, making Cat completely retract what she'd been saying all episode and reverting their relationship back to the status quo? I member.
actually in later episode after kara left cat said something a long the lines of go do it supergirl meeting she knew the whole time but just pretned not to idk why
They could really nail some stuff with Cat and Kara lol like in the episode when Kara loses her powers and Cat gives that whole speech about how sometimes everyone has to step up a little or whatever That episode is like, top tier Tv and then I dunno they fired the writers who wrote it or something
Writer: So I wanna make show about Supergirl. CEO: Sounds fine. She basically just superman... but a girl? Writer: Actually, sir, she's a bit more complicated and nuanced than that. You see, she has some aggression issues and is more prone to fighting than talking. She also doesn't really care as much about humans at first because she was raised on Krypton long enough to be trained a bit by their military before the planet exploded. So she's also not the nicest person at first either. CEO: so... you saying she's kind of a bitch then? Writer: I wouldn't really put it that way, sir but- CEO: Audiences don't want to watch bitchy women. They gotta be nice, attractive, and smile. Rewrite her like that and I'll print you a check. Writer: That's not what I... Oh, that's a lot of zeroes. I'll get right on that, boss.
it's honestly the opposite lmao. It almost seemed like they want a character with very little if any flaws. Supergirl is almost a Mary Sue because they're afraid to give her any
While I also love Supergirl, I have disagreements with Space Ninja over her personality. I also believe Kara was never trained by any military. She was 15/16/17 when Krypton blew up and by all accounts was a regular teenage Kryptonian. Unless it was hidden in some dialogue in the mediocre New 52 runs which doesn't exist anymore. And the dialogue of "I don't really care about humans yadda yadda yadda" doesn't make any sense because she wouldn't have taken up the Super family mantle otherwise. "I dress up and act like a superhero just because I want to beat the shit out of people". It's a kind of fundamentally flawed view/writing of the character. She's hotheaded because she's ultimately still a teenager and doesn't know the boundaries of her strength. Teenagers like I was back then, famously have zero self control in general.
The comics version of Supergirl wouldn't work at all with the "girlboss" character they wanted to create. There's this weird new obsession in entertainment where female characters have to be these super kind perfect people who constantly remind you how POWERFUL and BADASS they are and their only flaws are the ones men can "solve", like emotional neediness and insecurities about being female. It really negates the strength these characters are supposed to have when their only flaws are they need someone else to validate their strength
yes! TBH, i think arrow is the only show that really worked, i mean, you see the character grow, and ALL his phases are FREAKING AWESOME, murderer, wanna-be hero, knowing who he really is, and finally making the ultimate sacrifice, but flash and supergirl, dgmw, i like supergirl and flash, is a silly hero show, but i liked some parts, but it's always the same motivational speach, it just makes them kinda boring
Imagine me in 2017 me watching Supergirl on CW slowly realizing this show will never touch Power Girl, Red Lantern, the mountains stacked on mountains of PTSD from her world and identity being vaporized and becoming a refugee and tears her apart that she can't ever return because that's all she does is miss her home, and is without a shred of hope for anything, it slowly eats her up inside, and she stays angry and untrusting because she has no hope for anything, and I got "Karamel" shipping instead
The fact they stripped her of her story and all of the depth to her story is literally anti feminism and a cop out to making her some wimpy dumpy basic portrayl of how society views women and is just disgusting that they try to pretend to be for feminism when it's so clearly taking a stance against if
Thank you for pointing out how Kara’s character was so dependent on whatever dude the show wanted to push on her. James, Mon-El, Cat’s son. It’s like the writers didn’t trust Kara to be her own person at all.
right!! in so many movies they make women dependent on a dude and slowly most stuff about the dude it's getting so sickening, I loved this video and how ninja explained everything, I'm glad there are people like him and you!
because the show itself is sexist lmao which is weird because it's supposed to be about feminism and equality. Chile, anyways...I quite watching 3 years ago lol.
I had no idea how awesome Supergirl was in the comics. The CW show was my first real introduction to her since I mostly read Marvel's comics. Definitely going to check out that comic you recommended at the end. You summed up a lot of my gripes with the show. The fight scenes, the one-liners, the super heavy-handedness....I watched until the end, but I don't blame anyone that stopped after a few seasons.
I'm 68 years old and I remember Supergirl from 1959. I always liked Supergirl there, but she hasn't been done justice for decades. I seldom saw the show.
the "sociopolitical commentary" on this show is literally the definition of performative activism, it's like the writers don't understand the issues that they're writing about at all and get all their info from Instagram story reposts...it would be funny if it wasn't so sad.
Exactly! It happens with a lot of CW shows. They don't really care about any of this stuff but they know most of their fans are young so they drop terms. It's very insulting
BS, they are just looking for bums on seats. Exactly the same problem Hollywood had when Star Wars became a huge hit and they all launched their own Star Wars, but had zero clue how to do it so the vast majority of those films are terrible, but still hoped people were too dumb to notice the difference anyway. Same thing here, they just hope that by putting in the messages, people will automatically love it ...
I Came down here to the comment section to say Just this... And it was already said... I Swear Watching the show Just makes me think that the Writers/Directors/Who-cares that Make the show all basically sit around the room and Ask each other "what are the "wokes" Talking about These days? What the fuck is that? Whatever Just do 5 Minutes of Wiki and Twitter Research on it and Write the story around what you think it means, we all know none of us actually give a shit about any of this", and the Worst Part is how we as the audience can FEEL that's what's going on backstage from Looking at it... And Being Hit in the Head by their Ham fisted attempts to "Be Woke"... Seriously I've seen Kid's shows be FAR more Subtle and tactful about their Subject matter, and they're Intended for KIDS, who probably won't even get Subtext..
I’m late asf but the difference between those two is that the arrow was great and consistent for 5 season there was character development the action the drama the cgi.. all of that was good but supergirl was lame from the beginning
@@No_.inspiration consistent? So Laurel being able to defeat 2 LOA members after not being able to handle one street mugger in the same episode is consistent? Oliver and Thea losing to Anarky after he was able to kill Ra's is consistent? There are more examples Arrow stopped being consistent after s2 and it showed.
what pisses me off the most about the panic attack scene was that i too was excited. when i was in hs i had a lot of panic attacks, and they got so bad that i couldn’t sit in class anymore and was pulled out. the worst part of panic attacks, is that when you’re in public, there are consequences to having them, and it’s usually just people truly caring about you, but also. it’s distracting. my teachers weren’t happy to tell me i couldn’t be in a classroom anymore, but it was the best thing for me, and for the other kids too. i went back after that year!!! but they should have given her real world consequences bc… that’s what makes people brave enough to get true help sometimes. and bc realistically, not everyone was nice about me distracting everyone. she would have gotten in trouble, and exploring that guilt would have been really amazing for those of us who actually have panic disorder and anxiety.
Season 3 in general was a mostly great season not just cuz of the villain, but Kara's inner turmoil of balance of her life and anger Something that's never explored ever again....heck Red Daughter got more depth than Kara and they're both Melissa
Season 3 in general was a mostly great season not just cuz of the villain, but Kara's inner turmoil of balance of her life and anger Something that's never explored ever again....heck Red Daughter got more depth than Kara and they're both Melissa
I always had a theory that the producers never wanted to do a Supergirl show. they wanted to do a Superman Show but they were told no. so they did the next best thing they got a Supergirl show but decided to tell superman stories thru her (as much as they could get away with.) and i say this because when they show the title credits at the start of each episode they credit the creators of her with the creators of Superman even though Supergirl were created by very different people. also they kept saying that Supergirl has next to nothing in Budgets but when it was announced that Superman & Lois were coming to the CW suddenly they have a budget.
Pretty much it's the same with arrow making GA into Batman with a bow and a green costume. Warner brothers wouldn't the arrowverse to have a character if they planned a movie. Like when suicide squad was in the works arrow no longer could use the suicide squad in the show. Now with. I plans to make another Superman film they are allowing supes on the small.screen
It's not really a theory. It's true. It's the same with Arrow, and Batwoman. They wanted to make Superman and Batman shows, but WB didn't allow The CW to use those characters on the small screen yet. So they made Superman and Batman shows using characters they were allowed to use. They made a crappy Superman show, and reskinned it as a Supergirl show. They made a Batman show, and reskinned it as a Green Arrow show. Now they're making a crappy Batman show, and they reskinned it as a Batwoman show. Destroying the reputation of these characters in the process.
DC comics have been going for longer than Marvel (I don't read them but...) haven't they had time to come up with more characters, including someone more suitable for turning into superman? Apollo, for instance. Or Steel.
I never knew who Supergirl really was. Aside from her popping up in shows like Young Justice and Justice League Unlimited, I only ever saw The CW's Supergirl. Your explanation of her is eye opening and fantastic. I hope she gets a faithful live action adaptation.
I remember the first episode when Kara got her ass kicked by some alien, trains for a bit, goes to fight the alien again, is getting her ass kicked again, then someone watching goes “she can’t win!” And Alex says “why? Because she’s a girl? That’s exactly what we were counting on.” And I’m sitting here like… they were planning on her winning by being a girl? Is she gonna try to seduce the alien or something? Its not like anybody said anything about girls being weak, Alex just brought it up out of nowhere.
I always felt very bad for Mellisa Benoist for being stuck playing a female Superman and they did the same thing with Batwoman which I was hoping would be better...
I know right it literally teaches young girls, which is supposed to be aimed at that demographic, that they only have value and worth if they're being compared to males and to come out on top (which is just reverse sexism) and that is soooo damaging and reductive!
I would have loved to see her go through that type of ark in the beginning, and the slowly become the more lovable caring person we got, that still struggles with it a little bit.
I'd actually would like to hear your take on the "Batwoman" series. It would be interesting to hear an actual constructive breakdown like this of that show as I've heard similar complaints about it.
That show tries so hard to be feminist when in reality it's just sexist, I am a feminist myself and it's so bad, she got the CW Supergirl treatment, they made her exactly like Bruce Wayne when she isn't like him in the comics....
@@fulichak6499 Honestly sucks cause I heard shes a rlly cool character in the comics, but because the show is bad everyone gonna thing the character is bad in the comics too.
@@fulichak6499 It's got similar problems to supergirl but the problem I personally have is how Batwoman has main protagonist syndrome where everything she does is great and everything she doesn't do right is someone else's problems. The actual flaws they give her are not being nice to people and not finding her sister when she was a kid. Like if you watch the finale to season 1, her big bad was a giant dude with two machetes who managed to mauled down military trained armed dudes like they were nothing until she stopped him with batons.
I personally don't think Batwoman is all that interesting in the comics. However, the thing that makes her different from the rest of the Batfamily, besides being a lesbian, is her military background. She is an army brat, who was forced to leave because she was outed, and being Batwoman is kinda her way to "serve her country" (at least that's how I see it). Btw, I haven't watched the show and isn't that motivated to do so.
It’s not the most popular book, but I personally loved her new 52 run. It was a new direction for the character that made me fall in love with the character
Thing is Supergirl was never written well in comics. She was rebooted and killed off and rebooted again. I'd just go and use the Superman TAS version who was the best example.
@@SwiftNimblefoot That's the real truth. Supergirl was never an established character in the comics like her cousin Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, etc. That's why you'll hardly see as much discussion of comic accuracy when it comes to portraying her in non-comic media as much as Superman or Batman.
Its even more weird because the superman spin off actually captures the essence of superman by showing him as chill country boy with flaws trying to make best of his situation.
@Alexander Kerensky Damn that's rough. I was going to watch Batwoman after finding out Ruby was playing but never got around to it. I've never heard of a lead actor leaving a show so early on because it was bad, so for Ruby to do that is telling. She could have easily stayed just for the cheque like many actors do, I respect her now more for keeping her dignity
The CW did a huge disservice to both of DC's superhero cousins. Kate Kane got the short end of the stick as well. They turned her into a wannabe Batman. Which is the literal polar opposite of DC's original Batwoman. It sucks that the CW's versions were the ones first introduced to the mainstream. Now they have a bad cred.
Agree with most of this, especially the bit about Kara being basically female Clark in this, but I resent the idea Arrowverse did anything for Ollie. He wasn't just a comedic character! If you read Grell's run, there's a lot of really interesting stuff here.
He meant Oliver was mostly one note for 8 seasons, well season 4 did something different but it's still a bad one Smallville gave us a multidimensional Oliver balance
The stories he talks about in the video were from the New 52 era (started in 2011) and the Rebirth era (started in 2016). The New 52 was a pretty dark and weird time that DC have spent years moving on from, but it had some good stories; the Supergirl series might have been one of the better ones
@@najhoant thank you someone acknowledges that new52 kara wasn't Kara's default setting. Supergirl has had a weird history thanks to dc rebooting it's universe over and over it's history.
Start at the beginning in the late 50s where SG started off as literal wishful thinking from Jimmy Olsen. From there pick and choose the comics up until recently.
@@phillipseaton9389 I've heard some good things about the New 52 story (apparently, the writer, Tony Bedard, has written Supergirl before), such as Kara growing as a character and becoming nicer. I did read the Red Daughter of Krypton story and thought it was at least decent
People are saying this and that about the show, but it's good to see people praising Melissa as Supergirl! They hit the jackpot when they cast her, she put her all into the role, and she made the character popular all over again, and it's no wonder many of her colleagues hold her in such a regard. I'm sure Sasha Calle will do fine, but it'll be damn hard to top Melissa Benoist!
@@nickhydier1201 This person is not saying that supergirl is a good character. They are saying that the actress did a very good job with what she was given. Or atleast that's what I think.
The point is melissa got the looks of kara and her acting was fine, she only need a better writer and budget production team and she will be the perfect version of supergirl. She isn't overrated tho.
Melissa Benoist has set the gold standard for the character, many agree that she is the definitive Supergirl for this generation, many also agree that she is the embodiment of the character, on and off screen. She may play a superhero on TV, but a lot of people consider her to be a real life Supergirl because of how she uses her platform, an example of this is when she shared her experience with domestic violence, and has helped many people in similar situations. The show has its flaws, no doubt, and I do wish they could do better by her, but nobody can deny that Melissa Benoist IS Supergirl.
@@YoRocky89 i wish she has a supergirl film if wb is not going to continue cavill superman instead of making black superman out of nowhere directed by jj abhrams who ruin star trek and star wars new trilogy.
This is something I wrote a few years ago and saved. Here's a copy and paste of that. My version of Superman was the 50’s early 60’s version where about the only thing that would bother him was Kryptonite and magic. I do remember reading later that there was a feeling he was too perfect. I also watched the old TV show with George Reeves, have seen all the movies, the Supergirl movie with Helen Slater, TV shows Lois & Clark, Smallville and more recently Supergirl, and now Superman and Lois on the CW. I was born in 1947 and comics helped me learn to read. I collected comics, Action, Superman, Superboy, Batman, etc. I know I had stopped by the time I went to college in 1965 but I’m not sure exactly when. I had quite a collection including the first Supergirl, Justice League, Bizarro, even had some Disney stuff like the 1st Uncle Scrooge. Unfortunately my mom threw them all out when I went to college. Always found it interesting how writers would adjust the “magnitude” of Clark’s powers to fit the plot. Superman could handle a nuke. Yet in one episode in Lois and Clark this stupid looking weapon hurt him by working at the “atomic level”. You don’t think a nuclear bomb works at the atomic level. I had the same feeling when seeing some girl who can harness electricity hurt Supergirl with it and had the same feeling about that ax type thing in the pilot episode. I also felt that Superman had to learn an important lesson. When fighting other supers “Don’t Hold Back”. In the second Christopher Reeve move when he fights Zod he needed to learn that. I thought the fight with the bully in the luncheonette was totally screwed up. After he hits Clark in the back and sends him through that glass wall instead of just going back and standing there Clark should have charged him and tackled him. They should have had a knock down drag out fight with Clark barely winning. He had to learn to not hold back. Don’t let the other guy get the first hit. Take the bastard out. It’s an important lesson he had to learn when fighting other supers. In a review of the movie Man of Steel in Entertainment Weekly the idiot actually complained about Superman killing Zod, breaking his neck. I jumped all over that review. Pointing out that in that second Reeve movie Superman kills Zod at the end and Zod didn’t even have powers then. In a Smallville episode in a cage fight Clark kills another super Krytonian by hitting him with every thing he had. I really liked that episode. The reviewer had no idea what he was talking about. BTW, the reviewer obviously revised the review later taking that garbage out. BTW, who's more powerful Capt Marvel or Superman/Supergirl? Captain Marvel doesn't need a yellow sun. She can travel the whole cosmos unencumbered. BUT, after seeing the Capt Marvel movie and Avengers Endgame it seems to me Supeman/Supergirl are stronger and can take a hit better. At least that’s true for the 50’s early 60’s comics version. BTW, I once proposed a much more scientific explanation for why a yellow sun gives Krytonians super powers. The yellow sun acts as a catalyst allowing them to metabolize nutrients according to E=MC^2. We chemically metabolize nutrients for energy; they are nuclear powered able to turn the total mass of nutrients into total energy. They are nuclear powered and able to control that. It even would explain Kryptonite. Kryptonite totally shuts that down. It would also explain something else. They don’t really need to breath. Oxygen is needed for us to oxidize our nutrients. They are nuclear powered, no need for O2. No problem flying in space. If there are any writers of the series reading this? I give you permission to use that concept. ;-) BTW, continuing the affects of the yellow sun on him as making him nuclear powered I proposed much different plots for the 3rd and 4th Christopher Reeve movies. Think Star Wars death star or later Independence Day. Extraterrestrial Invading force, Superman can block their weapons but could not bust their force fields. He gets them to come close to the sun. Supercharged he busts their force field and destroys them. Forth movie; he likes the high. Like someone taking steroids, like someone on drugs. He keeps flying to the sun to get his high like a drug addict.
We are worrying about how writers don't care about the audience but I'm genuinely worried about the cast and how they didn't got burn out or bored by acting stupid things for so long.
Dude, just the Kara character personality in the series was enough. The only problem is that they didn't explore her character. Heck, there's a mountain of things that can make her as a complex character like she saw the death of Krypton, staying in the phantom zone for 24 years awake, Clark leaving her with the Danvers family, Alex killing Astra and more. They could make scenarios of what she thought and feel about it, how she'll solve those issue. One of the things that could have make this supergirl more unique is that one back story of hers that the writers often forgot; that she's the youngest inductee in the Science Guild on Krypton
Yes, exactly. Smallville had it's flaws, but it still had a consistant level of heart and soul throughout. and had the best character development including Supergirl. We just maybe should have seen her a little more. Like helping Clark with the Kandorians in season 9. Laura is forever my Supergirl.
You know, one thing I geniunely give this show credit for is opting to make Kara's relationship to Alex the central one of the show (before the writers got obsessed with Mon-El). How many superhero shows, or shows with female main characters, do you see where the central relationship isn't a romance but a family relationship?
Honestly, it would have been far more interesting to meet teenage Supergirl from the moment she crashes on earth. Could have been like on Arrow where we get flashbacks of her learning about human culture, life lessons, her trauma of krypton and better analyze why she didn't immediately follow Clark's footsteps. I remember Clark wanted her to have a normal childhood, but I can't remember them explaining why she chooses to sit back and just act like a normal human as an adult. Seems like she she should have jumped in and helped before her sister was in danger. They could have given more development to her relationships she has at the start of the series. I remember watching Superman/Batman: Apocalypse and being like, oh this Kara is much more interesting. They even give an explanation to why she could potentially surpass Superman in power. In the show, she beats him because she's the protagonist.
I’ve never read the Supergirl comics, so when I first watched the show, it looked... okay? But hearing about her character in the comics, I feel like we’ve been cheated out of _a lot._ The DCEU doesn’t mind getting a little dark, so why bother erasing Kara’s complex internal conflicts in the show?
It's the goddamn CW. What did you expect? Tragedy with DC shows: Brilliant and terrific shows like Constantine and Swamp Thing get cancelled with just one season but lame cringy CW shows go on for season after season.
SJw's are in charge of the DC universe on the CW now. 1'st 2 seasons were cool and weren't cringe. Then they let the SJW's take over. Like the video said, but in nmore detail. What makes supergirl so interesting is her struggle trying to fit in. She remembers krypton, krypton was waaay more advanced than earth. She always ran into issues concerning this. She was also very confident and felt above humans. She couldn't figure out how superman lived like them and holds himself back. CW got popular with the superhero genre and the higher ups stepped in. They're on a "woke" kick right now. So they ordered supergirl to be a show about "'girl power" and SJW politics. Prime example, all of the men are weak and women are strong. Her adopted sister(who basically plays the role superman played in her life) used to be a great mentor and a bad ass. Then got turned into a LGBT check box who also wants to be a mother really bad lol. Then there's the destruction of Braniac 5. He's been turned into a love interest of a transexual super hero(which was a very minor super hero smh). Funny thing is, Braniac's personality and character is how supergirl is supposed to be portrayed lol.
I remember always hating how nice she was, idk if that makes sense Like I know she’s a superhero but it was like if one person had to die to save millions she’s still have a hard time deciding
It was the entitlement of the characters that killed it for me. Each “supporting character” felt they were entitled to know all of Kara’s secrets…just because. James Olsen told Winn that Clark Kent was Superman, IN THE SECOND FLIPPIN’ EPISODE! And it’s the same on every CW show. According to the side characters, the hero’s identity was be known to all. EVEN THOUGH IT’S NOT THEIR SECRET TO TELL. And don’t even get me started on Alex. She was so jealous of Kara’s time with her cousin. She bad mouthed him by telling Kara, Clark basically abandoned her. Yeah, this show did have potential.
I still think Melissa and the rest of the cast still got a veery huge potential Their talents are wasted by some untalented writer and uninspired team behind it who just wants to copy the success of Arrow and The Flash You deserved better Melissa, i hope in another earth somewhere outthere you got served... Justice
Melissa is a good supergirl its just that writers are bad . Just like with flash . Grant is good flash but the show turned into feeling between Iris and friends show and it is bad now.
@@gandalainsley6467 More when Iris is just Lana Lang without redemption arc, Lana Lang was a very annoying character, but at least her character get better when she was deceived to marry Lex Luthor, Iris is plain annoying, I not know why they didn't go for the Arrow route and have Bart paired with Frost, she had issues, she lost a fiance in the incident, nearly fall to the dark side, her relationship with Bart is much interesting than Iris. How you can be a superhero if your girlfriend always is fighting not become a villain?
Actually, I don't think so. Considering how the writers are, they'll probably somehow change a lot about the plot or something like that and make it bad, possibly even worse than the current show.
@@leonardofarias8843 I'm really curious about comic books. I want to start a comic book collection, because I want to understand why the CW ruin comics.
If they had adapted the Flash from the comics, it would be a phenomenon. Instead we get CW Zoom which is just a cheapened Godspeed, CW godspeed, which doesn't resemble comics Godspeed who is actually a pretty decent antihero, and whatever dafak CW savitar was
Not a comics reader, but "She's just a female Superman" and "What about her being a 1.5 generation immigrant?" were issues for me immediately with Kara's/Supergirl's character so I loved finding this video with you talking about those issues. I also completely agree on the show being completely direct and in your face and dumbed down about "political" messages even when I agree with them. I can kind of be ok with it because of believing the messages need to be said, but it's just not very well done. I will say that I checked and you dropping the show at S3 E2 meant you missed a line I enjoyed in S3 E3. If you don't remember, Kara's adoptive sister Alex has a Mexican American girlfriend, Maggie, at that point in the show. Maggie was thrown out of her home as a teenager when her father learned she was a lesbian, and in this episode she confronts him and they have a cheesy fight in which he rants about racism and she proclaims pride in her sexuality and that people are more accepting now. It ends with him dropping the bomb "The only thing they hate more than a Mexicano, is a homosexual."--which is still cheesey but, yay, hints at intersectionality and at discrimination and minorities not being monoliths--and then leaving her with "The world is not different, my dear. Look, you can live any way you please. But don't ask me to witness it."--which, holy moly has complexity implications! I hate the "Pysch! Discrimination A wasn't happening here and *you're* the bigot for thinking it was, my character was concerned with issue B!" trope when it's just being dismissive about A in the A-and-B-bait-and-switch and blaming victims for being aware and speaking up, but instead of taking that reading with this dialogue I'm going for the intersectionality, greater complexity, etc. ideas because I love that Maggie's dad is calling out the world on not being accepting enough yet and even going backwards in progress instead of him embracing the simplistic optimism that gets the most emphasis in this show, that he's exhibiting fear in the neverending struggle to assimilate enough and internalized bigotry while seeking acceptability, that he's enabling division amongst minorities and the infighting and exclusion that minorities will perpetuate when they're fighting for conditional acceptance from bigoted society. And if i want to be extra generous on possible subtlety and complexity from the CW, we can circle back to the dismissive bait and switch thing and question Maggie's dad trying to claim he wasn't homophobic, he was pragmatic--we can examine how such a claim is an excuse for homophobia and still is homophobic, how it's misdirection (and even gaslighting) and victim blaming.
@@quinnsinclair7028 ah but with the CW, the teen would still be played by a mid-20s actress/model that nowhere portrays teenagehood properly (cough cough Riverdale cough) haha.
You know a character isn't actually strong or independent when the writers need to verbally remind you every couple minutes. Especially when it also requires putting down another character
On top of that CW supergirl is repeatedly and consistently nerfed and appears weak as hell. Not only do the writers have to keep going about how she's more powerful than Superman but they contradict themselves by making her weak as hell.
That is 💯 correct. It just means that they're not confident and are desperate for SG to succeed in any means possible. Which dudes, she is already a strong independent woman that has her own friends, allies... and enemies. That is if the TV show team bothered to read the comics.
Impressed by your Supergirl knowledge. Not many people really get Supergirl and often like you said treat her like a female Clark. I dont know the golden age Supegirl as well but I would say your interpretations is definitely a modern take of hers but I definitely like how it differentiates her from her cousin. Did you watch the animated movie with the Legion of Superheroes? I think that was a good example of how she doesnt feel like she fits in and shows her history with following her mothers footsteps as part of the kryptonian military guild. At first i didnt like or understand how she was depicted as so hotheaded because that wasnt how I originally remember her but in the context of what she went through and her being a essentially a soldier it makes sense to me now.
Honestly that movie felt like a giant middle finger to the CW supergirl lmao Mon-el in the cw was kara's love interest (which is inaccurate to the comics btw) he was a complete a-hole in the show and kara kept forgiving his douchiness because she "loves him" or whatever, in the movie Mon-el is an a-hole too but kara doesn't forgive him, she punches the F outta him! Not only did they say F u to that toxic relationship, they actually gave her her comic accurate love interest, Brainiac 5, i loved her personality in that movie too and they actually focused on her backstory
@@justwonder1404 I would be watchin it home alone, and then my Mom comes back from work and i would change the channel but idek why cause it was pretty cool
I do generaly like CW's DC shows particularly Stargirl , Flash, Superman & Lois BUT i definitely agree with the point that “This Supergirl is not Supergirl. She’s a female Superman.” SO DAMN RIGHT!! Edit: For those citing the particular shows I mentioned I do like the rest I just happened to mentioned those.
Superman and Lois is filled with so many bigoted tropes and stereotypes...even former writers who were kicked off for trying to remove such items from the script have said this.
The DC Superhero girls animated show does supergirl a WHOLE HELL of alot more justice to her character not only comic book wise but just in general then this TV show ever did🗿
EXACTLY!!! This CZcamsr gets it, and before I even saw this video I also explained to other people how they wasted her potential and created a more boring female Superman. If they just stuck to her actual origin, basically, "What it must feel like to remember growing up in one's home society, surrounded by loving family, taught and trained under Krypton's philosophies and ideologies, and then for all of that to be stripped away in just a few minutes, from her prospective, to then be stranded on a back water planet. With a civilization WAY less advance both technologically and socially." That's maddening! It even would have been fine giving her and older Sister, someone to help her understand her alien peers, cause to her, we humans are the aliens. But don't erase this crucial crucial part of her character. You know who she relates to? Those children who come to states at 7 or 8 years old. Who need to quickly learn a new culture, language, etc. Some things remain the same while other things are majorly different. As a writer you can use Supergirl to speak on how she sees the petty issues that humans face on the daily. Just the levels of story telling is almost boundless. Her whole series should have Supergirl learning how to be more human, sometimes reluctantly and maybe even the humans around her learning how to be better people, by Supergirl showing them how little and petty our differences are as humans. Imagine a re-imagined season of the Daxamites come to Earth to force all humans to live more peacefully and Supergirl joins them, because she is sick and tired of most humans squabbling over religion, race, sex, and economic matters. But then a few episodes in she realizes that this authoritarian government is not as noble as she thought. And she was so consumed by her mission to do good and so sick of human squabbling, that she mistakenly trusted another race, which mimicked the benevolence that her Krypton society once had. Then after that season Supergirl would have to deal with the fall out of helping the Daxamites. She could also discover the Krypton wasn't as noble as she once thought, shattering her preconceptions that she had at 7 years old. And just the whole thing of balancing human life and her Kryptonian heritage. They even could have shaped the show to appeal to those people who are a little awkward but good hearted, who want to be popular but find themselves rejected many times, AND to those teens who are growing up fast and changing, and how this change is both bad, good, and scary. And how fluctuating emotions can be scary but it is also essential and what makes us human. If you are still reading this, thank you. I think you understand what I mean. So so much potential just wasted.
I loved the first season of supergirl - I know nothing about the comics or the character - it had a lot of joyful energy, explored Kara's grief and her relationship with the elders on Krypton in a way that female characters were starved of. It was cool to have a woman who was nuanced and angry but also Good when I was fifteen! It helped that Melissa and many others put their all into the performances and really appreciated what it meant to people. Completely went downhill in the second season and I abandoned it there but I loved the first season.
Season 1 was sooooo good and the only problem I had with it was that there was so much content in that season and it was condensed into the one season. Like take Red kryptonite episode. I really liked evil Kara but they should’ve put red kryptonite as its separate season. Season 2 was alright but season 3 I really liked. The next two seasons after was just trash.
I enjoyed the first two seasons. It was a fun show to watch. But I lost interest at season 3. I returned to it briefly when Lex came into the show but lost interest again soon after. It's a shame though. Like the video said, lots of wasted potential.
While I agree with pretty much everything on this video, especially about supergirl, you gotta admit David Harewood as Martian Manhunter, Tyler Hoechlin as superman, and Jon Cryer as Lex luthor are pretty solid characters on the show. While Lex luthor suffered from villain fatigue later on, it's still a great performance with some great writing occasionally, like when he talked with his sister about her mother.
the way you explained her in the comics was so goood!!! now i definitely want to read it and everything you said about her from the comics makes so much sense how she questions humanity and feels distant from it!!! i love it !!! thanks im adding it to my reading list!!!
@@hmmmhmmm9766 He's Green Batman, no leftism, no sarcastic cynical wit, just brooding and lying. They even stole the Heir to the Demon plotline for fuck's sake!
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 because Batman is so much more interesting 😂 plus it’s well known that they originally wanted to make a Batman show and settled for Green Arrow
watching you go over supergirl in the comics vs the show made me realize that smallville did a much better job at capturing how isolated and socially different she can be compared to superman… oh i’m sorry… “the red-blue blur” 😉 than the actual supergirl show did. not that smallville got everything about supergirl right, and i do think the supergirl show really brought supergirl to a new audience who wouldn’t have watched smallville when it was airing, but it just bums me out about the wasted potential the show had with her character
Smallville got Supergirl right so so much better than her own show did. From her look, personality, her trauma over losing Krypton, longing to find a place where she belongs, learning how to control her powers, coming to see humans as worthy of being protected. SV Supergirl was also a lot more confident, fiercer and didn't hold back in using her powers. She had greats moments of saving/protecting her cousin, helping him in connecting with his family and just being there as someone whom he could relate too. She was one of my favorite parts of the show. Laura Vandervoort is my abolute favorite Supergirl.
Wow. Just wow. This video randomly came up in my feed, and I thought, what the hell, I watched the first season of this and kind of forgot about it, lets see what happened. I'm triggered by the writing of that episode 3x2 "Triggers". I'm convinced the writers must have written that elevator scene on accident because it's actually so interesting. There is so much potential in the consequences of her panic attack and exploring that would help with the "female superman" aspect of her character so much. I've worked in a building office like that and if the cold water handle on the faucet is loose, everyone talks about it that day. How on earth do these writers create such an interesting scenario and do absolutely nothing with it? That is so disappointing to see, not just failed potential, but completely wasted potential. You earned a sub for sure. Good, thorough and fun video. Also, I actually have to go look into some Supergirl comics because that actually sounded interesting.
@Esmè Keaton He’s not in the show anymore. But he’s a musical theater performer first and foremost and he didn’t adjust super well to TV. He’s actually quite a good voice actor though.
Yeah and hearing him talk about the character from the comics I got sooo upset about the version we got from the CW. Like they fuck everything up! It's infuriating!
Personally the version of Supergirl hes talking about I don't really care for. The version he's talking about has only been around since 2011. Her personality before 2011 was much less angry and far more hopeful. She hung out with the Legion Of Superheroes. Trained hand to hand combat with Wonder Woman on Themyscira.
@@phillipseaton9389 You mean the post crisis version? No, she was still insanely angry. It just wasn't her only character trait like it was in the New 52. Post Crisis Supergirl had just as much rage and potential to become a Red Lantern as New 52 Supergirl did, that rage just wasn't the absolute only character trait that they focused on in the comics.
I haven't read any supergirl comics and holy shit did you describe a whole different character. Like, I knew that Arrow took Oliver Queen and made him Batman, so... yeah, don't know why I expected anything else... still. Batman and Superman are pretty cool. And I think takes away the big names that have been portrayed on screen so often, and using a different character was a valid strategy (economically speaking). So I get why they took of the names that cary high expectations and a bunch of properties to compare it with, but kept the super-marketable characters, simply under the veneer of another name. These shows clearly weren't written for the fans of the comics... and even I, who hasn't read the comics, can empathise with what a betrayal that is. So, in conclusion: (as someone coming in contact with the characters through this medium) this show, and other arrowverse shows with it, were pretty entertaining. (though Flash crashed and burned and died and got revived as a zombie that was kept alive in it's rotten form way beyond expiration, and so did most other shows, so I dropped most of them in later seasons...) tldr: I get why they did it money-wise. It's a shame that money comes first and art somewhere down the line if they have motivation for it...
Read Supergirl 2006. The girl is litterally evil. She wasn't there to protect Kal el but to kill him. Hence her memory loss she totally change personality. She also murder her whole class back to krypton because they bully her (don't worry that pretty normal for kryptonian noble). On earth it is like he said she don't really care about humans she just try to exist by being a superhero but she didn't even seems to like it. Kara is pretty unique as a character.
I agree with the general premise of this video, especially when you say the show's biggest failing is that it tries to build around the messages instead in weaving them in naturally. That's always been my biggest complaint, as well. However, I couldn't really get down with the claim that the show is such a betrayal (or rewrite) of the comic version of the character, because almost everything the video mentions about the character comes solely from the NEW 52 reinvention of the character, ignoring that there were decades of Supergirl stories before that that WERE much lighter and optimistic in tone. The more harsh version of Supergirl was a somewhat radical reinvention at the time, and even recently DC has tried to return some of the levity and more traditional aspects to the character in series like Tamaki and Jones' "Being Super." Basically, I just feel like BOTH versions of Supergirl are valid (the more battle-hardened outsider you prefer, and the more optimistic, Superman-esque version). And at the time this show launched, I was actually happy that it was trying to position itself as more of a traditional Superman-type show, because the Superman we were getting in the Snyder-led movies was itself a darker, more grim rewrite of the comics character. The first season of Supergirl (which I DID like, other than the Jimmy romance crap) actually felt like a nice contrast to that, and a reminder of what more cheery Superman stories could feel like. So I don't blame them for choosing that iteration to run with. I think the real downfall came with the move to CW and the decreased budgets and the increased push to make it a "message" show over a superhero show. That said, Superman constantly telling Kara that she's stronger than him totally DOES feel like something the comic Superman would do, so that doesn't bother me, either. Oh, and also, the Netflix version of Jessica Jones was actually a pretty comic-accurate adaptation of the character, in particular the "Alias" series from Brian Michael Bendis. Anyway, I hope this doesn't sound like a takedown attempt - these were just the elements that came to mind while I was watching this. But like I said, I otherwise think the video nails a lot of the show's problems, and the last bit about the terrible writing in "Triggered" was spot-on to how often the show just indulged in lazy-ass writing.
This reminds me of Smallville Kara and how she was introduced initially as so condescending especially when she belittles Clark`s compassion for humans. Smallville had its faults but still they at least tried to stay loyal to some aspect of the source even though they did mention that Smallville was not Superman in the movies or comics.
@@godzilla5463 I don't expect that. Just stating the reality of it. Her version of Supergirl will be forgotten a year after the show ends. It was a really lame portrayal, and again this video really nails why.
@@Knightfall182 Again you're just saying that cause I like her. You can tell me her version sucks all you want but I'm gonna continue to watch it and like it.
I could listen to you for hours! You know how to accurately voice everything the majority of the viewers are thinking! And entertaining as well with the jokes, thank you for your content!
I also forgot to mention that Jon Cryer has some actual experience with the Superman franchise back when he played Lex Luthor's nephew, Lenny Luthor in "Superman IV: The Quest for Peace." So yeah. That is why he's playing Lex Luthor in this show.
I'm really glad to see somebody criticize this show (and others like it) in an intelligent and thoughtful way that isn't just "lol females and sjws suck." The poorly-handled socio-politics should be called out for what it is, but the anti-sjw reactionary stuff I've seen elsewhere doesn't really help, and I think causes more left-leaning people to dismiss any solid criticisms with "well, you just don't like strong women" when that's not what the problem is. Keep up the good work!
This!!!!! Oh a million times this!!! You have no idea how many videos or posts or whatever (not necessarily about Supergirl) I’ve seen where, ironically, people are praised for being “anti-woke” and hating on shows/movies that fail at being “woke”. Like, no? Being anti-woke isn’t a good thing lmao. You don’t shit glitter because you can acknowledge when they’re pushing a fake “woke” agenda. You’d think people would get mad that writers are pretending to care about sociopolitical issues to gain diversity brownie points but nope, they go ahead and blame anyone who doesn’t shit on tHe EvIl LeFt and their “brainwashing” aGeNdA and women (can’t forget those darn women, the REAL sexists, goddammit!!) to disguise their real thoughts on these sociopolitical issues so when someone calls them out on their BLATANTLY misogynistic, racist, etc viewpoints they can point their finger and call them feminazis, sjws, lIbErAlS
@@ivette8459 LOL. Damn those crafty women! While some of the anti-woke people are undoubtedly bigots or are just playing to that crowd for views (or both), in some cases, I have to wonder if some people are aware of what woke is actually even supposed to mean. At this point in time, certain words have become so overused and abused that they've lost their original meanings: tomboy, Nazi, SJW... So they hear reactionaries talking about it and automatically assume it must be a bad thing.
Women can be sexist just like PoC can be rascist. Not every woman is strong just like not every man is strong. Egalitarianism is best, not double standards. Hypocrisy is a bad look on anyone
i wouldnt say this was the most intelligent and thoughtful criticism this show could have but yeah its definitely better than an anti-sjw could ever make about anything for sure lol
Dude AGREED There's so much misogyny baked into this show. Their view on women are so twisted. Kara isn't allowed to be angry, apathetic, rude, or morally ambiguous in any way. Women aren't allowed to be assholes unless they're villains or 'Dark' versions of themselves. It's always infuriating when adults think making something for kids means dumbing or simplifying things for them. Like girls are not going to get healthy messages out of this. They're just going to see that being a strong woman means being perfect and happy all the time then pining over men. It's infuriating how obvious it is that the writers consist of mostly men and women with a shit ton of internalized misogyny. They seem to think as long as you put women on screen together it means feminism is winning. I cringed so much at their woke messages I can't even watch the show anymore. Sara Lance was a better adaptation of the character than she is. Also, I get how bad of an adaptation this is but I don't think anything can be worse than the movie that shall not be named
This happens to a lot of classic female characters, especially superheroes I loved them in comics, or in cartoons as a girl, then new writers change everything, and I don't recognize the characters anymore
That’s because in the comics, when she becomes supergirl, she is literally still a girl! She’s barely sixteen! She’s not an adult yet, so she’s supergirl, not superwoman.
Yeah, "funny"... It's in general something not great but it bothers me way more when it's elastigirl, literally a fully grown woman and mother of many children come on
My favorite part of this video is when he spends like ten minutes explaining the comic book version of Supergirl as if that has ever been consistent for more than six months at any given point in the history of her existence.
it's true that he explained the new 52 version of her backstory (and yes supergirl has infamously had a very complicated legacy) but her anger/short temper has always been one of her defining characteristics! even back in the silver age she had very high standards for how she wanted to be treated by others. i do think it's more of a series of coincidences than a conscious choice made by the writers though lol
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Yeah it is the most dissapointing thing since my son
CW: _See, no one’s ever disappointed by their daughters_
@@TheKpa11 Plot twist: The son is the daughter and that's why there's disappointment. Have fun twitter! XD
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@@TheKpa11 It could also be that, or cross dressing, birth defect, or genetic science gone wrong. Many possibles. lol
“This Supergirl is not Supergirl. She’s a female Superman.”
*OH MY GOD YOU’RE RIGHT. HER FINAL BOSS IS ACTUALLY LEX LUTHOR WTF LMAOOOO*
Amen! This was my biggest problem with this show.
This line hit me hard😂
Honesty that is exactly what I thought.
I am not a die-hard superman fan, but from all I know:
Superman did A, so Supergirl had to do A too!
So often!
Oh and then hit it with a sparkle of man-hating feminism and voi la!
I never thought of it that way but yeah. They just tried to make a knockoff Superman. Her comic version is pretty dope.
CW formula for a series:
1)find an underrated cast
2)create a solid foundation
3)campy storyline
4)get you to watch the 1st season or so and be invested
5) fuck it up
6)whatever is left, fuck that up too
7)end series
8)pat selves on thier back
Also heavy handed political messages that are so overbearing and poorly done it annoys the audience despite the audience probably agreeing with the general sentiment of the message.
Don't forget that characters need to be nerfed to make a scene dramatic and tense.
@The Black Crayon you say this like they don't have love interst in the comics
It’s step 4 tho😂that’s literally what happened to me with the flash and arrow, you get through season 1 and 2 and become invested and they slowly just stop giving a shit
camp? oh no, this isn't camp. this is barely even a picnic.
They skipped over what's arguably the most interesting part about Supergirl. Superman was born on Krypton but was raised on Earth. He has no memory of Krypton or its tragic end. His notion of Krypton comes from archives and holograms. Kara was born and raised on Krypton. She had friends and family, a whole life and then she watched as her world literally burned. Everything and everyone she had ever known was wiped out. The only thing that keeps her from completely breaking down is the fact that she has a mission, to find and protect her infant cousin except by the time she reaches Earth, her cousin not only doesn't need protecting, he's a revered icon of this primitive alien world.
The first season of Supergirl should really have been about that. It should be about her having PTSD, survivor's guilt, about dealing with her trauma and her resentment for Clark and the world he calls home. It should have been about her learning about Earth and figuring out if she can have a life and not be consumed by misery.
Really the last episode of the first season should have been Kara putting on the suit for the first time. But instead they just skipped over all that dramatic potential and made her a Superman clone. Look, the first season of Supergirl wasn't bad but the whole show ended up being a waste of the character and a waste of potential.
Damn now I want to watch a superhero show with an actually good plot with complex characters like this. If anybody knows of any, or animes with complex characters like what was described in this comment please hit me with recommends
You're totally right, and I think the biggest mistake in this show was the fact that the story starts like many years after she arrive to earth, because what you're saying it's more something she had to deal with in her early years, it would've been very interesting to see her path to become a hero, but it never happened, that's a huge waste of potential
100% correct.
So, what the video said?
The video covers this. I see a few difficulties going with this:
1. The woman playing Supergirl would have to be a young girl, not an adult woman. Or you cast an adult to play a high school aged kid like most TV shows and movies do.
2. In casting a young girl as your star you now have to follow labor laws about shooting with minors. Some of the biggest drawbacks to this are 8 hr work days max, 48 hrs per week max, schooling has to be provided, and can only work during specific hours of the day. That's a lot to deal with for your LEAD actor and show's namesake.
3. A young Kara doesn't match up with The Flash and Green Arrow. How can you do crossover team-ups when 2 of the 3 are adults?
4. You have more to censor. How is an audience going to react to seeing a young girl getting punched and beat up? Even though she has super strength, durability, etc, she is still human in appearance which comes with rules.
I think a 1st season focusing on this was THE way to go but for live action it makes it extremely difficult when a simple time jump is a lot easier.
so in other words; Clark is a "Shield" while Kara is a "Sword." He guards people while she attacks problems, something the writers forgot, and just made her Superman in a skirt.
I just realized, the dceu superman is closer to supergirl than anything, isnt that weird
Destructive, angry, fairly inconsiderate of human life
@@liaminator4950 Holy fuck, you're right, jesus christ, even down to the whole "I don't belong with them", "Killing? BADASS", "Saving humans isn't my primary concern, dealing with the threat is" and identifying and focusing more on the fact that Superman was kryptonian than human, even though Superman's whole point is that he's human first kryptonian second, while Supergirls whole point is that she identifies more with her Kryptonian identity than her human one, hell, even the moment where Superman was more mad at the fact that he killed Zod, the last other Kryptonian besides himself more than caring about the millions of humans that died, that is a textbook Supergirl moment where she'd be mad about killing the only other member of their species, jesus christ what a massive fuck up
you know what's crazy? Smallville got supergirl better way back in season 7. She comes to earth as a late teenager, she's focused, stubborn, outspoken but not annoying, and she's not just a female clark.
Why they couldn't just map this supergirl show off smallville's supergirl will forever elude me.
omg I can't believe it! We watched the same video!
@@user-kq5ci7ol8o In Man of Steel, how many humans do you think Superman murdered every single time he threw Zod through a building?
they got a perfect actor and cast for the show and treat it like garbage
Eh. Benoist is mediocre. She works as this lame version of Supergirl, but wouldn't fit the edgier teen version from the comics... who's more interesting. And visually Laura V was hotter. She'll be easy to replace
@@Knightfall182 we care about acting and range adaption , not looks.
@@Knightfall182 It's not the actor that's mediocre, it's the writers who are. Can 100% guarantee that if hbo max existed years ago and picked up this show it would have been far better than what we got. Especially if it was in a seperate universe from the arrowverse just so we wouldn't have to deal with the cw crap lol
@@Boba_Fett1980 If this was an HBO Max project, you probably wouldn't have Benoist in the role 😄
@@Knightfall182 she was great as red k supergirl and when she went slightly dark at the beginning of season 3 after mon-el left. I wish the writers had done more with that.
“Lack of character development” is the best way to describe almost every CW show
True
The only exeption I can think of is arrow and even then its only good up to season 4 or 5 imo
Green arrow seems to have a lot of character development
@@Torpid6441 The 100 had a lot of great character development. Sure, the first couple of episodes were very CW-esque but after that they strayed away from that.
@@vladimort510 Only at the beginning. It goes downhill fast.
Melissa Benoist is such a good actress and I LOVE her as Supergirl and I despise how CW just shat all over both Kara and Melissas potential. I especially love the concept of Alex Danvers and her relationship with Kara and what that brought and could brought to BOTH their arcs. Im so angry CW did them both fucking dirty.
Melissa though, still had some views (not all, but some) that aligned with what the CW wanted in terms of changing or influencing the audience - like how masculinity (the idea that all men are universally evil beings) should stamped out by women in today's culture, and like the video says the writers wanted to compare (or unseat) Superman to only Kara having greater achievements over her cousin.
It's almost like how Disney made Disey Ridley become Rey Skywalker while making Luke Skywalker be ousted in the sequel trilogy & making Rey all perfect in everyone's eyes. In contrast, in Legends, the fans wanted Luke to still play a major role in the stories of Thrawn and others while creating new female characters that don't take away from Luke's part in the universe to face new threats after the original series. Melissa is a good actress, but some in the CW casting & directors had agendas that many in the audience likely saw would later doom the show in the long run.
I am only saying this as an independent viewer who has watched many shows (like The Flash, for example) that have tried to do similar things and only met a very brief footnote in television history. CW needs to learn the lessons from what their previous show, Smallville, brought to the table and why people loved that show even after almost two decades since it aired. That show did Supergirl justice, for what it's worth.
Smallville actually did supergirl a bit of justice. She was extremely cold and alien, and it took her a long time to come to terms with humanity.
I’m so tired of the DC Universe being ruined. It really has potential, but the people making it have no idea who the character are. The animated universe is so good!
Aquaman and Shazam are amazing and wonder woman and wonder woman84 are both good.
@@forestfilms472
Um, lets not put the movie where Diana sexually assaults a guy as an example of the DC universe done right.
Animated universe for the win!
@@forestfilms472 Sorry but both Wonder Woman movies were bad. WW 1984 was absolute garbage compared to the first.
@@forestfilms472 My gods. How can anyone think _Wonder Woman 1984_ is good? Even when you ignore the fact that Diana basically rapes a guy like way too many people seem to choose to do, that movie might actually might be the most nonsensical entry in the entire DCEU, which is saying a lot.
That's not a rhetorical question by the way. I legitimately want to know how anyone can think that movie was good given everything wrong with it.
"The show is to Supergirl what TLA is to Avatar TLA" I've never watched Supergirl but now I know the level of bomb we're dealing with here wow lmao
As someone who's a fan of both original shows I can say that this might be the most accurate way to describe the level of fail.
Yup
As much as i agree supergirl is bad. I dont think that comparison does justice to how bad the last airbender movie was. That stuff aged my soul and turned me into a bitter man. It plummed depths of mediocrity that didnt exist before it.
Honestly, I do like this show.
@@peterfletcher3879
Agreed
Supergirl's Red Lantern arc is unironically one of her best stories aside from her origin story. In some ways it fits her well because her character is really built around her two conflicting traits of both anger and a sense of justice. At the same time, even though she's the most powerful Red Lantern and the Red Lanterns are really glad to have her around when there's a fight, they also recognize that she's not truly HAPPY as a Red Lantern, despite being so good at it. At some point Guy Gardner (who defected from Green to Red) actually convinces Kara to leave the Red Lanterns, which she does by flying into the sun and ripping off the ring (she has to do this since a Red Lantern removing their ring usually results in death without the aid of a Blue Lantern). Guy also doesn't want her to die in their upcoming fight against Atrocitus, the former founder of the Red Lantern Corps.
She had so many cool defining character traits that made her different from any other superhero, and in the show we got NONE of them. Such a shame.
I always felt like Doomsday was lucky Kara wasn't there when he showed up and beat up Clark cause she would have just accepted all the collateral damage and beat him to death
This video has now convinced me that I need to read Super Girl. I am not that into DC comics, beyond Batman, and I always assumed that SuperGirl was a genderbent version of Superman, mainly based off of this show and the old movie made of her, so I never gave her a chance. So hearing what she is actually about kind of shocked me. She sounds INCREDIBLY interesting, and it baffles me that they have not taken even a little bit of what she is actually about and translated it to screen. Just listening I can, in a way, relate to her, and as a child I know I would have loved her as having ADHD and a bit of an anger issue made me feel like I was all alone and a complete outsider.
I'd say if you haven't already start with something like woman of tomorrow, the story's amazing, characterisation is on point, the writing is brilliant and the art style and colouring is jaw dropping consistently. On top of that its quite short being about 8 issues or so, so if it isnt your thing its not that big of a deal and it is also really cheap off of amazon, last I checked for all of them its like £10.
@@dadeleemurphy85 What? I tried to get into it ages ago, but there were a few too many gatekeepers in the community so I dropped it and focused on Marvel instead.
@@RoseWilder if there's anything to learn from gatekeepers is to never listen or interact with them.
Enjoy media in you're own way and interact with those that actually have something to say rather than "WoMeN bAd, StOrY bAd"
@@RoseWilder That's pretty lame to let some gatekeepers of all things prevent you from enjoying some media.
The CW adaptions are so weird cause they nail all the casting but everything else is just bleh
That is hands down the best and most accurate description of the problem with the CW hero shows I've ever heard. Well done sir. Well done
I mean, they didnt really nail it with Ruby Rose. Also, Arrowverse Oliver is just small screen Batman. Meanwhile, Supergirl was casted by CBS, so only good casting they really nailed was Grant as the Flash.
@@JohnSacapano true
I think that the Flash and Arrow is acutely pretty good and I think that the Flash is still going strong but that is my opinion.
@@awaisrehana3881 yea it fell hard but it looks like it’s slowly making it’s way back up
All the arrowverse shows have the problem of the protagonists almost constantly failing in everything until the season finale.
Not to the same degree as Supergirl. It tends vary, based on each heroes strength/abilities - but in reverse. So at the human end of things, you've got Oliver who consistently won most of his fights on Arrow with very little help from any of his increasing band of sidekicks.
Next up is Barry who gets his ass kicked a little and needs a bit more help from his respective entourage, but he still gets more than a few victories and fundamentally, he is usually allowed to operate at full power.
Then there's Kara. And because she's basically uber-powerful, the writers consistently have no clue how to incorporate that into a story. And so begins a literally weekly list of reasons why every episode's baddie of the week is stronger than her. And that's not taking into account her general nerfing, not least of which are the countless times she seems to forget she has super speed.
True the first 3 seasons of the flash were legendary but after that things got boring af
@@cyro5535 so true, I mean season 7 so far has been alright, but it has been going up
@@divin3nightmar339 especially episode 2
@@whocaresguy yea also allegra feels very forced idk why the writers decided to make her series regular, everytime we see her, i lose interest in that scene they are adding so many main characters, there is literally 12 main characters now
That was honestly unexpected. I have always assumed that Supergirl was just a female counterpart to Superman. I was really intrigued when you explained her true character in the comic.
My favourite part was when Lena went from a generally good Lex hater to basically being Lex and devising an evil plan that would hurt innocent people because Kara kept her SECRET identity SECRET for the exact reason that any hero has a SECRET identity, to protect the people close to them. It was even more contrived than an already enormously contrived set of shows. It was also greatly weighed down with whatever political messages that were also incredibly contrived.
Ugh, Lena doing all of that because her feeeelings were hurt 🤮 I thought she was supposed to be an intelligent character, but no.
@@breezy3392exactly
she was a deeply traumatized character. Her reaction makes total sense if you use your brain.@@breezy3392
I totally forgot that part. OMG. You find out your best friend is Supergirl and then care about when she told you? Seriously? I would think she would be unable to contain her excitement. My friend is supergirl. You are freaking Supergirl. "you know you can't tell anyone".. ugh..why did you tell me? How can I keep this a secret? ugh. Ok, I have sooo many questions now. This is amazing! I am so honored that you would tell me.
Instead she is angry with her. What? In what universe does that actually make sense? I was thinking what a di** friend. Kara should have just leave and never speak to her again.
@@donutwindyYou do realize Supergirl went behind Lena’s back to tell James to find her “secret” stash of kryptonite only to find out she was making it anyway? James was about to but the refused an eventually told Lena he was asked by Supergirl. This is what caused their descending friendship, and to learn she was Kara the entire time would lead you to believe what else is she lying to your face about?
They severely wasted Melissa's talent. I feel like lately she has devoted her career to it so it's sad to watch it slowly become more mediocre to me.
Let's see if they interpret her in the Flash-Movie like in the comics. Would be cool. I love conflicted characters.
Haha, no. She’s exactly on this shows level.
@ Jill Rattray facts
Melissa is B grade at best, Supergirl is probably the best project she'll ever be part of.
@@kingmonde she was good in glee and whiplash
"The only worth Kara gets to have as a woman is defined by the competence of her male counterpart"
HOLY SHIT THAT SLAPPED SO HARD
That just got real
Exactly right. I mean it's not like the people in charge of the show didn't have material ( comics, animation) to make SG an amazing hero.
Even before I knew nothing about the comic Supergirl, my favorite episode was always the one where she was exposed to Red Kryptonite - she just seemed so much more badass and down-to-earth than the innocent, ever cheerful supergirl we got
22:24 Bro, remember in S1 when Cat Grant deduced that Kara was Supergirl and then told her to her face that she'd worked this out, thanking her for saving her life time after time in a genuinely effective and touching moment that promised to move these two characters forward?
Aaaand then next episode opens on Kara trying frantically to convince Cat that she's not actually Supergirl despite the infinitely more dignified and logical option being to just accept it, and then the episode ends on Martian Manhunter using his powers to make it look like Kara and Supergirl are in the same room, making Cat completely retract what she'd been saying all episode and reverting their relationship back to the status quo? I member.
actually in later episode after kara left cat said something a long the lines of go do it supergirl meeting she knew the whole time but just pretned not to idk why
@@grantc2854 Yeah, I heard about that one. Utterly retarded retcon when they already had an excellent version of that laid out for them in S1.
They could really nail some stuff with Cat and Kara lol like in the episode when Kara loses her powers and Cat gives that whole speech about how sometimes everyone has to step up a little or whatever
That episode is like, top tier Tv and then I dunno they fired the writers who wrote it or something
@@NewMitchell-wh3fj
>top tier TV
>Supergirl
@@ginge641 That one episode is! lol
Writer: So I wanna make show about Supergirl.
CEO: Sounds fine. She basically just superman... but a girl?
Writer: Actually, sir, she's a bit more complicated and nuanced than that. You see, she has some aggression issues and is more prone to fighting than talking. She also doesn't really care as much about humans at first because she was raised on Krypton long enough to be trained a bit by their military before the planet exploded. So she's also not the nicest person at first either.
CEO: so... you saying she's kind of a bitch then?
Writer: I wouldn't really put it that way, sir but-
CEO: Audiences don't want to watch bitchy women. They gotta be nice, attractive, and smile. Rewrite her like that and I'll print you a check.
Writer: That's not what I... Oh, that's a lot of zeroes. I'll get right on that, boss.
Facts
it's honestly the opposite lmao. It almost seemed like they want a character with very little if any flaws. Supergirl is almost a Mary Sue because they're afraid to give her any
While I also love Supergirl, I have disagreements with Space Ninja over her personality. I also believe Kara was never trained by any military. She was 15/16/17 when Krypton blew up and by all accounts was a regular teenage Kryptonian. Unless it was hidden in some dialogue in the mediocre New 52 runs which doesn't exist anymore. And the dialogue of "I don't really care about humans yadda yadda yadda" doesn't make any sense because she wouldn't have taken up the Super family mantle otherwise. "I dress up and act like a superhero just because I want to beat the shit out of people". It's a kind of fundamentally flawed view/writing of the character.
She's hotheaded because she's ultimately still a teenager and doesn't know the boundaries of her strength. Teenagers like I was back then, famously have zero self control in general.
Sounds like Ryan George's pitch meeting 🤣🤣🤣
The comics version of Supergirl wouldn't work at all with the "girlboss" character they wanted to create. There's this weird new obsession in entertainment where female characters have to be these super kind perfect people who constantly remind you how POWERFUL and BADASS they are and their only flaws are the ones men can "solve", like emotional neediness and insecurities about being female. It really negates the strength these characters are supposed to have when their only flaws are they need someone else to validate their strength
Also female rage is something that is never covered well, and Supergirl could've been the perfect character to explore that side of womanhood!
when people tell me : female rage in the TV. Cannot stop thinking on Malcolm´s Mom.
yes! TBH, i think arrow is the only show that really worked, i mean, you see the character grow, and ALL his phases are FREAKING AWESOME, murderer, wanna-be hero, knowing who he really is, and finally making the ultimate sacrifice, but flash and supergirl, dgmw, i like supergirl and flash, is a silly hero show, but i liked some parts, but it's always the same motivational speach, it just makes them kinda boring
@@marianaribeiro8376 The flash 1st season was great and then it hilarious slopes down in quality as it goes on…
@@Crispy_DAWG I honestly still liked flash hvnt but I get wat ur saying
what is female rage? Everyone experiences rage? Or do you mean menustral rage? idk what female rage is
Imagine me in 2017 me watching Supergirl on CW slowly realizing this show will never touch Power Girl, Red Lantern, the mountains stacked on mountains of PTSD from her world and identity being vaporized and becoming a refugee and tears her apart that she can't ever return because that's all she does is miss her home, and is without a shred of hope for anything, it slowly eats her up inside, and she stays angry and untrusting because she has no hope for anything, and I got "Karamel" shipping instead
The fact they stripped her of her story and all of the depth to her story is literally anti feminism and a cop out to making her some wimpy dumpy basic portrayl of how society views women and is just disgusting that they try to pretend to be for feminism when it's so clearly taking a stance against if
Yes, it was a power fantasy. Not even Superman was a power fantasy, he was about having almost limitless strength but showing mercy instead.
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ik this show kinda sucks, however melissa benoist is incredibly talented and i believe she needs to be in more movies and tv because she’s incredible
agreed!! im so glad she's free from this show now hopefully she can get more projects after this
This is one of those instances where talented casts are wasted on shitty writing
And beautiful. Still a shame she’s stuck with a mediocre show. Hope she’ll find better material and success after the finale season.
@@dragon_ninja_2186 I mean, she started her own production company so I'm sure she'll do great
She really did her best to embrace the character and I hope Hollywood doesn’t forget her hard work and actually casts her in good things.
Thank you for pointing out how Kara’s character was so dependent on whatever dude the show wanted to push on her. James, Mon-El, Cat’s son. It’s like the writers didn’t trust Kara to be her own person at all.
The bland cardboard that is William is somehow worse and i only watched 2 episodes of season 5 and one of them was the 100th the best of that season
@@MassielRoss I forgot about William!!! I’m so so sorry.
@@ladygaygay94 🤣🤣🤣🤣 no one cares about him only the writers who want to shove him down everyone throat even Kara's 😡
right!! in so many movies they make women dependent on a dude and slowly most stuff about the dude it's getting so sickening, I loved this video and how ninja explained everything, I'm glad there are people like him and you!
because the show itself is sexist lmao which is weird because it's supposed to be about feminism and equality. Chile, anyways...I quite watching 3 years ago lol.
I had no idea how awesome Supergirl was in the comics. The CW show was my first real introduction to her since I mostly read Marvel's comics. Definitely going to check out that comic you recommended at the end.
You summed up a lot of my gripes with the show. The fight scenes, the one-liners, the super heavy-handedness....I watched until the end, but I don't blame anyone that stopped after a few seasons.
I'm 68 years old and I remember Supergirl from 1959. I always liked Supergirl there, but she hasn't been done justice for decades. I seldom saw the show.
"Supergirl: Woman of tomorrow" is my favorite Supergirl comic. I wish, we could have a show more like that.... I wouldn't mind an animated show.
It will be a movie for the new dceu, James Gunn announced it
Same
the "sociopolitical commentary" on this show is literally the definition of performative activism, it's like the writers don't understand the issues that they're writing about at all and get all their info from Instagram story reposts...it would be funny if it wasn't so sad.
Exactly! It happens with a lot of CW shows. They don't really care about any of this stuff but they know most of their fans are young so they drop terms. It's very insulting
Spot on!
20 minutes passed the hour - time to check in with the lesbians!
BS, they are just looking for bums on seats. Exactly the same problem Hollywood had when Star Wars became a huge hit and they all launched their own Star Wars, but had zero clue how to do it so the vast majority of those films are terrible, but still hoped people were too dumb to notice the difference anyway. Same thing here, they just hope that by putting in the messages, people will automatically love it ...
I Came down here to the comment section to say Just this... And it was already said...
I Swear Watching the show Just makes me think that the Writers/Directors/Who-cares that Make the show all basically sit around the room and Ask each other "what are the "wokes" Talking about These days? What the fuck is that? Whatever Just do 5 Minutes of Wiki and Twitter Research on it and Write the story around what you think it means, we all know none of us actually give a shit about any of this", and the Worst Part is how we as the audience can FEEL that's what's going on backstage from Looking at it... And Being Hit in the Head by their Ham fisted attempts to "Be Woke"... Seriously I've seen Kid's shows be FAR more Subtle and tactful about their Subject matter, and they're Intended for KIDS, who probably won't even get Subtext..
Yes, especially in the past few seasons.
No character deserves to fall into the hands of the CW.
The CW is like a collection of sharpened sticks at the bottom of a dead fall trap, you hope never to meet them, but know you are doomed if you do.
Except superman and Lois. They really did it justice. The finale was awesome
HBO will Get Power Girl - my lotion is ready
actually arrow season 1 was great
@@carnage1570 dude it wasnt CW a difrent company made the show
The same thing can be said about Arrow with them basically making Oliver a watered-down Batman. Oliver is supposed to be a quippy robin hood type.
Arrow was supposed to be a Batman show all along, they couldn't get the TV rights so just recycled everything for Green Arrow.
@@ShadowSonic2 I know that's part of the problem.
I’m late asf but the difference between those two is that the arrow was great and consistent for 5 season there was character development the action the drama the cgi.. all of that was good but supergirl was lame from the beginning
@@No_.inspiration consistent? So Laurel being able to defeat 2 LOA members after not being able to handle one street mugger in the same episode is consistent? Oliver and Thea losing to Anarky after he was able to kill Ra's is consistent? There are more examples Arrow stopped being consistent after s2 and it showed.
EXACTLY
what pisses me off the most about the panic attack scene was that i too was excited. when i was in hs i had a lot of panic attacks, and they got so bad that i couldn’t sit in class anymore and was pulled out. the worst part of panic attacks, is that when you’re in public, there are consequences to having them, and it’s usually just people truly caring about you, but also. it’s distracting. my teachers weren’t happy to tell me i couldn’t be in a classroom anymore, but it was the best thing for me, and for the other kids too. i went back after that year!!! but they should have given her real world consequences bc… that’s what makes people brave enough to get true help sometimes. and bc realistically, not everyone was nice about me distracting everyone. she would have gotten in trouble, and exploring that guilt would have been really amazing for those of us who actually have panic disorder and anxiety.
Season 3 in general was a mostly great season not just cuz of the villain, but Kara's inner turmoil of balance of her life and anger
Something that's never explored ever again....heck Red Daughter got more depth than Kara and they're both Melissa
Season 3 in general was a mostly great season not just cuz of the villain, but Kara's inner turmoil of balance of her life and anger
Something that's never explored ever again....heck Red Daughter got more depth than Kara and they're both Melissa
I always had a theory that the producers never wanted to do a Supergirl show. they wanted to do a Superman Show but they were told no. so they did the next best thing they got a Supergirl show but decided to tell superman stories thru her (as much as they could get away with.) and i say this because when they show the title credits at the start of each episode they credit the creators of her with the creators of Superman even though Supergirl were created by very different people. also they kept saying that Supergirl has next to nothing in Budgets but when it was announced that Superman & Lois were coming to the CW suddenly they have a budget.
Pretty much it's the same with arrow making GA into Batman with a bow and a green costume. Warner brothers wouldn't the arrowverse to have a character if they planned a movie. Like when suicide squad was in the works arrow no longer could use the suicide squad in the show. Now with. I plans to make another Superman film they are allowing supes on the small.screen
It's not really a theory. It's true. It's the same with Arrow, and Batwoman. They wanted to make Superman and Batman shows, but WB didn't allow The CW to use those characters on the small screen yet. So they made Superman and Batman shows using characters they were allowed to use. They made a crappy Superman show, and reskinned it as a Supergirl show. They made a Batman show, and reskinned it as a Green Arrow show. Now they're making a crappy Batman show, and they reskinned it as a Batwoman show. Destroying the reputation of these characters in the process.
DC comics have been going for longer than Marvel (I don't read them but...) haven't they had time to come up with more characters, including someone more suitable for turning into superman? Apollo, for instance. Or Steel.
@@Mecharnie_Dobbs The character wasn't really the problem. It's the way The CW treated her.
Yeah the crew of Supergirl is sexist and homophobe.No doubt about it
I only want 2 things, Melissa Benoist as Supergirl in a show that actually understands the character, and supercorp being canon in the show
no. kara is NOT lesbian. stop putting y'all gay stuff in everything.
@@SideEyeee_ that’s right she’s not a lesbian, she’s pansexual :)
@@Doodmove she is STRAIGHT. stop putting y'all's disgusting things in shows like that.
@@SideEyeee_ no she’s not and stay mad about it
I never knew who Supergirl really was. Aside from her popping up in shows like Young Justice and Justice League Unlimited, I only ever saw The CW's Supergirl. Your explanation of her is eye opening and fantastic. I hope she gets a faithful live action adaptation.
I hope Millie Alcock will do a good job as Supergirl in the DCU.
I remember the first episode when Kara got her ass kicked by some alien, trains for a bit, goes to fight the alien again, is getting her ass kicked again, then someone watching goes “she can’t win!” And Alex says “why? Because she’s a girl? That’s exactly what we were counting on.” And I’m sitting here like… they were planning on her winning by being a girl? Is she gonna try to seduce the alien or something? Its not like anybody said anything about girls being weak, Alex just brought it up out of nowhere.
Its the CW. The network is full of morons. Hell, watching these shows actually ruined my own writing abilities for a time.
It felt like they were trying to go for a "they want the enemy to underestimate the hero because she's a woman" moment but it failed miserably
@@shadowofhawk55 That particular episode is actually from the first season when it was still on CBS lol.
@@CLDJ227 Sounded lie a CW line though
The CW even has the women making sexist comments related to women to get their "point across"
I always felt very bad for Mellisa Benoist for being stuck playing a female Superman and they did the same thing with Batwoman which I was hoping would be better...
idk why but i find first season batwoman is kinda nice character (?)
I never had any hope in batwoman. She’s unlikeable in the source material too.
@@SeriousRereader she’s actually pretty cool in the source material. they just fucked up her character in the show.
I know right it literally teaches young girls, which is supposed to be aimed at that demographic, that they only have value and worth if they're being compared to males and to come out on top (which is just reverse sexism) and that is soooo damaging and reductive!
@@alegrandax yeah. She's a more weary and darker version of batman who has a lot of baggage....
I would have loved to see her go through that type of ark in the beginning, and the slowly become the more lovable caring person we got, that still struggles with it a little bit.
I'd actually would like to hear your take on the "Batwoman" series. It would be interesting to hear an actual constructive breakdown like this of that show as I've heard similar complaints about it.
That show tries so hard to be feminist when in reality it's just sexist, I am a feminist myself and it's so bad, she got the CW Supergirl treatment, they made her exactly like Bruce Wayne when she isn't like him in the comics....
@@fulichak6499 Honestly sucks cause I heard shes a rlly cool character in the comics, but because the show is bad everyone gonna thing the character is bad in the comics too.
@@evanellis9178 Atp, the CW should lose the rights to all superhero shows unless they're funded by HBO Max, bc the only-CW Adaptions Suck w a big S
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It's got similar problems to supergirl but the problem I personally have is how Batwoman has main protagonist syndrome where everything she does is great and everything she doesn't do right is someone else's problems.
The actual flaws they give her are not being nice to people and not finding her sister when she was a kid.
Like if you watch the finale to season 1, her big bad was a giant dude with two machetes who managed to mauled down military trained armed dudes like they were nothing until she stopped him with batons.
I personally don't think Batwoman is all that interesting in the comics. However, the thing that makes her different from the rest of the Batfamily, besides being a lesbian, is her military background. She is an army brat, who was forced to leave because she was outed, and being Batwoman is kinda her way to "serve her country" (at least that's how I see it).
Btw, I haven't watched the show and isn't that motivated to do so.
Woh, I wanna see this comic book Supergirl. She seems really relatable in her struggles and caters to a different type of person.
It’s not the most popular book, but I personally loved her new 52 run. It was a new direction for the character that made me fall in love with the character
Thing is Supergirl was never written well in comics. She was rebooted and killed off and rebooted again. I'd just go and use the Superman TAS version who was the best example.
@@SwiftNimblefoot That's the real truth. Supergirl was never an established character in the comics like her cousin Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, etc. That's why you'll hardly see as much discussion of comic accuracy when it comes to portraying her in non-comic media as much as Superman or Batman.
New 52 run of Supergirl was amazing. Rebirth Supergirl... kind of disappointing to me. But Injustice Supergirl!
@@SwiftNimblefoot yeah Supergirl has not had consistent writing whatsoever in the comics
Its even more weird because the superman spin off actually captures the essence of superman by showing him as chill country boy with flaws trying to make best of his situation.
The CW wanted a Superman show all along, they just couldn't get it until now.
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Sad too because I think Melissa Benoist was a very good fit for the role.
That line from Thor, "he's a friend from work!" Cracks me up every damn time. And to think it was a make a wish kid who asked them to say it. 🤣😭🤣😭
"Supergirl is the one who fell the most from bad writing"
Batwoman: *I'm about to ruin this girl's whole career*
Didn't they recast Batwoman? I heard Ruby Rose left after S1
@Alexander Kerensky Damn that's rough. I was going to watch Batwoman after finding out Ruby was playing but never got around to it.
I've never heard of a lead actor leaving a show so early on because it was bad, so for Ruby to do that is telling. She could have easily stayed just for the cheque like many actors do, I respect her now more for keeping her dignity
@Alexander Kerensky Stunts also really fucked up her leg. But she says she is completely done with the show
@Alexander Kerensky Right, I'm definitely steering clear of that hot mess
@Alexander Kerensky Yep, I like they called it cringe: czcams.com/video/XD83oMof67I/video.html
The CW did a huge disservice to both of DC's superhero cousins. Kate Kane got the short end of the stick as well. They turned her into a wannabe Batman. Which is the literal polar opposite of DC's original Batwoman. It sucks that the CW's versions were the ones first introduced to the mainstream. Now they have a bad cred.
Cue the green lantern, aquaman, and cyclops syndrome
Well the Supergirl on Smallville was introduced first and I would say that was an accurate portrayal of Supergirl.
These shows should have never been made
Agree with most of this, especially the bit about Kara being basically female Clark in this, but I resent the idea Arrowverse did anything for Ollie. He wasn't just a comedic character! If you read Grell's run, there's a lot of really interesting stuff here.
He meant Oliver was mostly one note for 8 seasons, well season 4 did something different but it's still a bad one
Smallville gave us a multidimensional Oliver balance
Just coming back here just to say, that we probably will get Supergirl justice in Supergirl : Woman of Tomorrow
I'm not a big fan of superhero comics, but this video makes me want to go pick up the Supergirl books.
...you should there are some great ones and now comic supergirl is also moving forward from they angry supergirl without over doing it.
The stories he talks about in the video were from the New 52 era (started in 2011) and the Rebirth era (started in 2016). The New 52 was a pretty dark and weird time that DC have spent years moving on from, but it had some good stories; the Supergirl series might have been one of the better ones
@@najhoant thank you someone acknowledges that new52 kara wasn't Kara's default setting. Supergirl has had a weird history thanks to dc rebooting it's universe over and over it's history.
Start at the beginning in the late 50s where SG started off as literal wishful thinking from Jimmy Olsen. From there pick and choose the comics up until recently.
@@phillipseaton9389 I've heard some good things about the New 52 story (apparently, the writer, Tony Bedard, has written Supergirl before), such as Kara growing as a character and becoming nicer. I did read the Red Daughter of Krypton story and thought it was at least decent
People are saying this and that about the show, but it's good to see people praising Melissa as Supergirl! They hit the jackpot when they cast her, she put her all into the role, and she made the character popular all over again, and it's no wonder many of her colleagues hold her in such a regard. I'm sure Sasha Calle will do fine, but it'll be damn hard to top Melissa Benoist!
@@nickhydier1201 This person is not saying that supergirl is a good character. They are saying that the actress did a very good job with what she was given. Or atleast that's what I think.
The point is melissa got the looks of kara and her acting was fine, she only need a better writer and budget production team and she will be the perfect version of supergirl. She isn't overrated tho.
Melissa Benoist has set the gold standard for the character, many agree that she is the definitive Supergirl for this generation, many also agree that she is the embodiment of the character, on and off screen. She may play a superhero on TV, but a lot of people consider her to be a real life Supergirl because of how she uses her platform, an example of this is when she shared her experience with domestic violence, and has helped many people in similar situations. The show has its flaws, no doubt, and I do wish they could do better by her, but nobody can deny that Melissa Benoist IS Supergirl.
@@YoRocky89 i wish she has a supergirl film if wb is not going to continue cavill superman instead of making black superman out of nowhere directed by jj abhrams who ruin star trek and star wars new trilogy.
@@nickhydier1201 All of what you said falls on the writing.
This is something I wrote a few years ago and saved. Here's a copy and paste of that.
My version of Superman was the 50’s early 60’s version where about the only thing that would bother him was Kryptonite and magic. I do remember reading later that there was a feeling he was too perfect. I also watched the old TV show with George Reeves, have seen all the movies, the Supergirl movie with Helen Slater, TV shows Lois & Clark, Smallville and more recently Supergirl, and now Superman and Lois on the CW.
I was born in 1947 and comics helped me learn to read. I collected comics, Action, Superman, Superboy, Batman, etc. I know I had stopped by the time I went to college in 1965 but I’m not sure exactly when. I had quite a collection including the first Supergirl, Justice League, Bizarro, even had some Disney stuff like the 1st Uncle Scrooge. Unfortunately my mom threw them all out when I went to college.
Always found it interesting how writers would adjust the “magnitude” of Clark’s powers to fit the plot. Superman could handle a nuke. Yet in one episode in Lois and Clark this stupid looking weapon hurt him by working at the “atomic level”. You don’t think a nuclear bomb works at the atomic level. I had the same feeling when seeing some girl who can harness electricity hurt Supergirl with it and had the same feeling about that ax type thing in the pilot episode.
I also felt that Superman had to learn an important lesson. When fighting other supers “Don’t Hold Back”. In the second Christopher Reeve move when he fights Zod he needed to learn that. I thought the fight with the bully in the luncheonette was totally screwed up. After he hits Clark in the back and sends him through that glass wall instead of just going back and standing there Clark should have charged him and tackled him. They should have had a knock down drag out fight with Clark barely winning. He had to learn to not hold back. Don’t let the other guy get the first hit. Take the bastard out. It’s an important lesson he had to learn when fighting other supers.
In a review of the movie Man of Steel in Entertainment Weekly the idiot actually complained about Superman killing Zod, breaking his neck. I jumped all over that review. Pointing out that in that second Reeve movie Superman kills Zod at the end and Zod didn’t even have powers then. In a Smallville episode in a cage fight Clark kills another super Krytonian by hitting him with every thing he had. I really liked that episode. The reviewer had no idea what he was talking about. BTW, the reviewer obviously revised the review later taking that garbage out.
BTW, who's more powerful Capt Marvel or Superman/Supergirl? Captain Marvel doesn't need a yellow sun. She can travel the whole cosmos unencumbered. BUT, after seeing the Capt Marvel movie and Avengers Endgame it seems to me Supeman/Supergirl are stronger and can take a hit better. At least that’s true for the 50’s early 60’s comics version.
BTW, I once proposed a much more scientific explanation for why a yellow sun gives Krytonians super powers. The yellow sun acts as a catalyst allowing them to metabolize nutrients according to E=MC^2. We chemically metabolize nutrients for energy; they are nuclear powered able to turn the total mass of nutrients into total energy. They are nuclear powered and able to control that. It even would explain Kryptonite. Kryptonite totally shuts that down. It would also explain something else. They don’t really need to breath. Oxygen is needed for us to oxidize our nutrients. They are nuclear powered, no need for O2. No problem flying in space.
If there are any writers of the series reading this? I give you permission to use that concept. ;-)
BTW, continuing the affects of the yellow sun on him as making him nuclear powered I proposed much different plots for the 3rd and 4th Christopher Reeve movies. Think Star Wars death star or later Independence Day. Extraterrestrial Invading force, Superman can block their weapons but could not bust their force fields. He gets them to come close to the sun. Supercharged he busts their force field and destroys them.
Forth movie; he likes the high. Like someone taking steroids, like someone on drugs. He keeps flying to the sun to get his high like a drug addict.
We are worrying about how writers don't care about the audience but I'm genuinely worried about the cast and how they didn't got burn out or bored by acting stupid things for so long.
If CW has Kara with Alex Danvers' personality and J'onn J'onnz's loner attitude...it would be golden.
And a different actress and a teenaged version, and a completely different writing staff... on a different network
@@Knightfall182 With a higher budget and better fight choreography.
it would be AMAZING. They literally split Kara Danvers into three characters they did not have to.
I was legit thinking that, and have only seen a handful of episodes lmao.
Dude, just the Kara character personality in the series was enough. The only problem is that they didn't explore her character. Heck, there's a mountain of things that can make her as a complex character like she saw the death of Krypton, staying in the phantom zone for 24 years awake, Clark leaving her with the Danvers family, Alex killing Astra and more. They could make scenarios of what she thought and feel about it, how she'll solve those issue. One of the things that could have make this supergirl more unique is that one back story of hers that the writers often forgot; that she's the youngest inductee in the Science Guild on Krypton
This is why Smallville, despite its early 2000’s flaws and cheese, has the best character developments and that includes Supergirl!!
Yes, exactly. Smallville had it's flaws, but it still had a consistant level of heart and soul throughout. and had the best character development including Supergirl. We just maybe should have seen her a little more. Like helping Clark with the Kandorians in season 9. Laura is forever my Supergirl.
Those middle seasons were pretty bad though. I cared nothing for the Lana and Lex together drama.
@@dingle2987 I still would rather watch the “Lana and Lex drama” than watch the “Alex and Lena drama”
The Smallville version of Supergirl was much closer to what Space Ninja wanted for this version.
@@Bwleon7 Also true. They honestly probably should have incorporated more aspects of her personality of Smallville Supergirl into the show's version.
You know, one thing I geniunely give this show credit for is opting to make Kara's relationship to Alex the central one of the show (before the writers got obsessed with Mon-El). How many superhero shows, or shows with female main characters, do you see where the central relationship isn't a romance but a family relationship?
Frozen and Charmed
Until they made Alex gay and put all the focus there.
Honestly, it would have been far more interesting to meet teenage Supergirl from the moment she crashes on earth. Could have been like on Arrow where we get flashbacks of her learning about human culture, life lessons, her trauma of krypton and better analyze why she didn't immediately follow Clark's footsteps. I remember Clark wanted her to have a normal childhood, but I can't remember them explaining why she chooses to sit back and just act like a normal human as an adult. Seems like she she should have jumped in and helped before her sister was in danger. They could have given more development to her relationships she has at the start of the series. I remember watching Superman/Batman: Apocalypse and being like, oh this Kara is much more interesting. They even give an explanation to why she could potentially surpass Superman in power. In the show, she beats him because she's the protagonist.
I’ve never read the Supergirl comics, so when I first watched the show, it looked... okay? But hearing about her character in the comics, I feel like we’ve been cheated out of _a lot._
The DCEU doesn’t mind getting a little dark, so why bother erasing Kara’s complex internal conflicts in the show?
It's the goddamn CW. What did you expect? Tragedy with DC shows: Brilliant and terrific shows like Constantine and Swamp Thing get cancelled with just one season but lame cringy CW shows go on for season after season.
Same
@@AshrafAnam True asf On god!👍💯
@Anonymus X Yeah sorry forgot Krypton. Was so hyped about that Darkseid teaser at the end. Then it got cancelled!
SJw's are in charge of the DC universe on the CW now. 1'st 2 seasons were cool and weren't cringe. Then they let the SJW's take over. Like the video said, but in nmore detail. What makes supergirl so interesting is her struggle trying to fit in. She remembers krypton, krypton was waaay more advanced than earth. She always ran into issues concerning this. She was also very confident and felt above humans. She couldn't figure out how superman lived like them and holds himself back. CW got popular with the superhero genre and the higher ups stepped in. They're on a "woke" kick right now. So they ordered supergirl to be a show about "'girl power" and SJW politics. Prime example, all of the men are weak and women are strong. Her adopted sister(who basically plays the role superman played in her life) used to be a great mentor and a bad ass. Then got turned into a LGBT check box who also wants to be a mother really bad lol. Then there's the destruction of Braniac 5. He's been turned into a love interest of a transexual super hero(which was a very minor super hero smh). Funny thing is, Braniac's personality and character is how supergirl is supposed to be portrayed lol.
I remember always hating how nice she was, idk if that makes sense
Like I know she’s a superhero but it was like if one person had to die to save millions she’s still have a hard time deciding
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Exactly she always wants to find another way, even if it's super risky and destined to fall and get people killed
I did like her the first season, but then it just went nope, as all of her geekyness and smartness just dissapeared and was just plain fighting
@Tony Stark Nice, One thing..
Why does ppl hate Stormfront? She was my most fav after hughie.
Billy,HL and SL are cool too
@@princessmanitari4993 I'm a villain lover so i didn't looked deep into Supergirl but i really liked Reign and Lex Luther
6:10
>talks about internal conflict
>shows silliest thing imaginable, which is superhero dog.
It was the entitlement of the characters that killed it for me. Each “supporting character” felt they were entitled to know all of Kara’s secrets…just because. James Olsen told Winn that Clark Kent was Superman, IN THE SECOND FLIPPIN’ EPISODE! And it’s the same on every CW show. According to the side characters, the hero’s identity was be known to all. EVEN THOUGH IT’S NOT THEIR SECRET TO TELL.
And don’t even get me started on Alex. She was so jealous of Kara’s time with her cousin. She bad mouthed him by telling Kara, Clark basically abandoned her.
Yeah, this show did have potential.
I still think Melissa and the rest of the cast still got a veery huge potential
Their talents are wasted by some untalented writer and uninspired team behind it who just wants to copy the success of Arrow and The Flash
You deserved better Melissa, i hope in another earth somewhere outthere you got served... Justice
Melissa is a good supergirl its just that writers are bad . Just like with flash . Grant is good flash but the show turned into feeling between Iris and friends show and it is bad now.
Off topic, but I love the ashe pfp btw lmao
@@gandalainsley6467 More when Iris is just Lana Lang without redemption arc, Lana Lang was a very annoying character, but at least her character get better when she was deceived to marry Lex Luthor, Iris is plain annoying, I not know why they didn't go for the Arrow route and have Bart paired with Frost, she had issues, she lost a fiance in the incident, nearly fall to the dark side, her relationship with Bart is much interesting than Iris. How you can be a superhero if your girlfriend always is fighting not become a villain?
LOL they have No potential. Melissa would have been better suited for a character like Iris.
@@TheKeyser94 I did not mind Lana and i did not mind Iris until show turned about her , then i started to dislike her.
I feel like if they had adapted the comic version of Kara, they'd have had quite the beautiful character development spanning over 6 seasons.
But would be similar to Superman despite not caring about humans
Actually, I don't think so. Considering how the writers are, they'll probably somehow change a lot about the plot or something like that and make it bad, possibly even worse than the current show.
@@leonardofarias8843 I'm really curious about comic books. I want to start a comic book collection, because I want to understand why the CW ruin comics.
If they had adapted the Flash from the comics, it would be a phenomenon. Instead we get CW Zoom which is just a cheapened Godspeed, CW godspeed, which doesn't resemble comics Godspeed who is actually a pretty decent antihero, and whatever dafak CW savitar was
comics are always better ....... just don't read Supergirl rebirth😬
Not a comics reader, but "She's just a female Superman" and "What about her being a 1.5 generation immigrant?" were issues for me immediately with Kara's/Supergirl's character so I loved finding this video with you talking about those issues.
I also completely agree on the show being completely direct and in your face and dumbed down about "political" messages even when I agree with them. I can kind of be ok with it because of believing the messages need to be said, but it's just not very well done. I will say that I checked and you dropping the show at S3 E2 meant you missed a line I enjoyed in S3 E3. If you don't remember, Kara's adoptive sister Alex has a Mexican American girlfriend, Maggie, at that point in the show. Maggie was thrown out of her home as a teenager when her father learned she was a lesbian, and in this episode she confronts him and they have a cheesy fight in which he rants about racism and she proclaims pride in her sexuality and that people are more accepting now. It ends with him dropping the bomb "The only thing they hate more than a Mexicano, is a homosexual."--which is still cheesey but, yay, hints at intersectionality and at discrimination and minorities not being monoliths--and then leaving her with "The world is not different, my dear. Look, you can live any way you please. But don't ask me to witness it."--which, holy moly has complexity implications! I hate the "Pysch! Discrimination A wasn't happening here and *you're* the bigot for thinking it was, my character was concerned with issue B!" trope when it's just being dismissive about A in the A-and-B-bait-and-switch and blaming victims for being aware and speaking up, but instead of taking that reading with this dialogue I'm going for the intersectionality, greater complexity, etc. ideas because I love that Maggie's dad is calling out the world on not being accepting enough yet and even going backwards in progress instead of him embracing the simplistic optimism that gets the most emphasis in this show, that he's exhibiting fear in the neverending struggle to assimilate enough and internalized bigotry while seeking acceptability, that he's enabling division amongst minorities and the infighting and exclusion that minorities will perpetuate when they're fighting for conditional acceptance from bigoted society. And if i want to be extra generous on possible subtlety and complexity from the CW, we can circle back to the dismissive bait and switch thing and question Maggie's dad trying to claim he wasn't homophobic, he was pragmatic--we can examine how such a claim is an excuse for homophobia and still is homophobic, how it's misdirection (and even gaslighting) and victim blaming.
the fanfic that stemmed off of triggers with the identity reveal were LEGENDARY
Wait really
I mean what do we expect, its a CW show. Basically the “hey lets turn this cool show premise into a pre-teen soap opera / drama show!” channel lol.
That actually would have been better. At least then Kara might have been an actual teen like she was in the comics.
@@quinnsinclair7028 ah but with the CW, the teen would still be played by a mid-20s actress/model that nowhere portrays teenagehood properly (cough cough Riverdale cough) haha.
@Esmè Keaton haha exactly on point there sis
You know a character isn't actually strong or independent when the writers need to verbally remind you every couple minutes. Especially when it also requires putting down another character
No one put down another character.
On top of that CW supergirl is repeatedly and consistently nerfed and appears weak as hell. Not only do the writers have to keep going about how she's more powerful than Superman but they contradict themselves by making her weak as hell.
That is 💯 correct. It just means that they're not confident and are desperate for SG to succeed in any means possible. Which dudes, she is already a strong independent woman that has her own friends, allies... and enemies. That is if the TV show team bothered to read the comics.
"A man who must constantly proclaim himself King is no King."
"General, would you care to step outside?"
That's actually a line from Reeve's Superman.
Impressed by your Supergirl knowledge. Not many people really get Supergirl and often like you said treat her like a female Clark. I dont know the golden age Supegirl as well but I would say your interpretations is definitely a modern take of hers but I definitely like how it differentiates her from her cousin.
Did you watch the animated movie with the Legion of Superheroes? I think that was a good example of how she doesnt feel like she fits in and shows her history with following her mothers footsteps as part of the kryptonian military guild. At first i didnt like or understand how she was depicted as so hotheaded because that wasnt how I originally remember her but in the context of what she went through and her being a essentially a soldier it makes sense to me now.
Honestly that movie felt like a giant middle finger to the CW supergirl lmao Mon-el in the cw was kara's love interest (which is inaccurate to the comics btw) he was a complete a-hole in the show and kara kept forgiving his douchiness because she "loves him" or whatever, in the movie Mon-el is an a-hole too but kara doesn't forgive him, she punches the F outta him! Not only did they say F u to that toxic relationship, they actually gave her her comic accurate love interest, Brainiac 5, i loved her personality in that movie too and they actually focused on her backstory
Not even embarrassed to say.
Totally Spies is fricken dope
That was such an unexpected but welcome reminder of how thrilling it was.
@@justwonder1404 I would be watchin it home alone, and then my Mom comes back from work and i would change the channel but idek why cause it was pretty cool
@@zakkiediducky I was embarrased of myself for watching it in like 10-12 years cause it felt childish though fun. And I'm a girl.
FACTS!! I loved that show. Didn’t even care if it was a “girls/kids show”
I agree.
I do generaly like CW's DC shows particularly Stargirl , Flash, Superman & Lois BUT i definitely agree with the point that “This Supergirl is not Supergirl. She’s a female Superman.” SO DAMN RIGHT!!
Edit: For those citing the particular shows I mentioned I do like the rest I just happened to mentioned those.
stargirl ss1 and sup lois are produced by hbo ofc it is better, flash ss1 had different writer than the rest of the season.
Superman and Lois is filled with so many bigoted tropes and stereotypes...even former writers who were kicked off for trying to remove such items from the script have said this.
@@sersastark how do you know?
@@sersastark what bigoted tropes?
@@sersastark source?
The DC Superhero girls animated show does supergirl a WHOLE HELL of alot more justice to her character not only comic book wise but just in general then this TV show ever did🗿
Lol anyways y’all should watch D.C. Superhero Girls🙂👍🏽
EXACTLY!!! This CZcamsr gets it, and before I even saw this video I also explained to other people how they wasted her potential and created a more boring female Superman. If they just stuck to her actual origin, basically, "What it must feel like to remember growing up in one's home society, surrounded by loving family, taught and trained under Krypton's philosophies and ideologies, and then for all of that to be stripped away in just a few minutes, from her prospective, to then be stranded on a back water planet. With a civilization WAY less advance both technologically and socially." That's maddening! It even would have been fine giving her and older Sister, someone to help her understand her alien peers, cause to her, we humans are the aliens. But don't erase this crucial crucial part of her character. You know who she relates to? Those children who come to states at 7 or 8 years old. Who need to quickly learn a new culture, language, etc. Some things remain the same while other things are majorly different. As a writer you can use Supergirl to speak on how she sees the petty issues that humans face on the daily. Just the levels of story telling is almost boundless. Her whole series should have Supergirl learning how to be more human, sometimes reluctantly and maybe even the humans around her learning how to be better people, by Supergirl showing them how little and petty our differences are as humans. Imagine a re-imagined season of the Daxamites come to Earth to force all humans to live more peacefully and Supergirl joins them, because she is sick and tired of most humans squabbling over religion, race, sex, and economic matters. But then a few episodes in she realizes that this authoritarian government is not as noble as she thought. And she was so consumed by her mission to do good and so sick of human squabbling, that she mistakenly trusted another race, which mimicked the benevolence that her Krypton society once had. Then after that season Supergirl would have to deal with the fall out of helping the Daxamites. She could also discover the Krypton wasn't as noble as she once thought, shattering her preconceptions that she had at 7 years old. And just the whole thing of balancing human life and her Kryptonian heritage. They even could have shaped the show to appeal to those people who are a little awkward but good hearted, who want to be popular but find themselves rejected many times, AND to those teens who are growing up fast and changing, and how this change is both bad, good, and scary. And how fluctuating emotions can be scary but it is also essential and what makes us human. If you are still reading this, thank you. I think you understand what I mean. So so much potential just wasted.
I loved the first season of supergirl - I know nothing about the comics or the character - it had a lot of joyful energy, explored Kara's grief and her relationship with the elders on Krypton in a way that female characters were starved of. It was cool to have a woman who was nuanced and angry but also Good when I was fifteen! It helped that Melissa and many others put their all into the performances and really appreciated what it meant to people. Completely went downhill in the second season and I abandoned it there but I loved the first season.
Season one had 20% woke content, which make it barely tolerable. They cranked it up to 80% by the season 2, and 100% woke in the following seasons.
Season 1 was sooooo good and the only problem I had with it was that there was so much content in that season and it was condensed into the one season.
Like take Red kryptonite episode. I really liked evil Kara but they should’ve put red kryptonite as its separate season.
Season 2 was alright but season 3 I really liked.
The next two seasons after was just trash.
Season 1 was really cringy. I'm not surprised it bled all it's ratings out and CBS canned it. The dialogue was horrific!
@@Knightfall182 dude, are you going to reply hateful things on every single comment?
I enjoyed the first two seasons. It was a fun show to watch. But I lost interest at season 3. I returned to it briefly when Lex came into the show but lost interest again soon after. It's a shame though. Like the video said, lots of wasted potential.
I'm just praying to see that Riverdale future video
Me too 🤣🤣
Riverdale is so insane and out there with its plot and characters though, that it manages to top every other CW show.
Nothing literally nothing is worse than Riverdale... Riverdale is just woke trash nothing you do or say can change my mind
The worst part is that season 1 was SO GOOD. It literally became a cultural phenomenon. And then somehow the Cw let it go bad
Same here. Season 1 was the only good thing about Riverdale and then it went south from there.
While I agree with pretty much everything on this video, especially about supergirl, you gotta admit David Harewood as Martian Manhunter, Tyler Hoechlin as superman, and Jon Cryer as Lex luthor are pretty solid characters on the show. While Lex luthor suffered from villain fatigue later on, it's still a great performance with some great writing occasionally, like when he talked with his sister about her mother.
the way you explained her in the comics was so goood!!! now i definitely want to read it and everything you said about her from the comics makes so much sense how she questions humanity and feels distant from it!!! i love it !!! thanks im adding it to my reading list!!!
I hated that they just put supergirl into superman storylines and also gave her his villains.
Olliver Queen can relate
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 they did it a lot better with oliver
@@hmmmhmmm9766 He's Green Batman, no leftism, no sarcastic cynical wit, just brooding and lying. They even stole the Heir to the Demon plotline for fuck's sake!
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 because Batman is so much more interesting 😂 plus it’s well known that they originally wanted to make a Batman show and settled for Green Arrow
@@AS-ri1mb Green Arrow has more than differentiated himself from Batman over the years
I'm just glad that Melissa will be free of this shit and we can see her in something better (hopefully). She deserves so much better
Maybe she can play a new cw character such as maybe a new character, zatanna maybe? She would make a great new show
@@LXRZ_2005 Melissa doesn't want to be type casted so she's leaving the superhero stuff for now
And Katie
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watching you go over supergirl in the comics vs the show made me realize that smallville did a much better job at capturing how isolated and socially different she can be compared to superman… oh i’m sorry… “the red-blue blur” 😉 than the actual supergirl show did. not that smallville got everything about supergirl right, and i do think the supergirl show really brought supergirl to a new audience who wouldn’t have watched smallville when it was airing, but it just bums me out about the wasted potential the show had with her character
Smallville got Supergirl right so so much better than her own show did. From her look, personality, her trauma over losing Krypton, longing to find a place where she belongs, learning how to control her powers, coming to see humans as worthy of being protected. SV Supergirl was also a lot more confident, fiercer and didn't hold back in using her powers. She had greats moments of saving/protecting her cousin, helping him in connecting with his family and just being there as someone whom he could relate too. She was one of my favorite parts of the show. Laura Vandervoort is my abolute favorite Supergirl.
Smallville was also where I first learned who Supergirl was. And it is certainly a far superior series than the Supergirl show ever was.
Smallville cared, this show doesn't
That's the big difference
Wow. Just wow. This video randomly came up in my feed, and I thought, what the hell, I watched the first season of this and kind of forgot about it, lets see what happened. I'm triggered by the writing of that episode 3x2 "Triggers". I'm convinced the writers must have written that elevator scene on accident because it's actually so interesting. There is so much potential in the consequences of her panic attack and exploring that would help with the "female superman" aspect of her character so much.
I've worked in a building office like that and if the cold water handle on the faucet is loose, everyone talks about it that day. How on earth do these writers create such an interesting scenario and do absolutely nothing with it? That is so disappointing to see, not just failed potential, but completely wasted potential.
You earned a sub for sure. Good, thorough and fun video. Also, I actually have to go look into some Supergirl comics because that actually sounded interesting.
Everyone in the show, especially Benoist, do deserve so much better than this.
@Esmè Keaton He’s not in the show anymore. But he’s a musical theater performer first and foremost and he didn’t adjust super well to TV.
He’s actually quite a good voice actor though.
After supergirl, I wish them good and well deserving project coming
Fr
Benoist should've been Cpt. Marvel, but that's not better until that got better writer and director too.
@@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom I really hope she gets an iconic role in a movie that smashes the box office...
She's too underrated
Wow the comic book supergirl seems insanely so much better
Yeah and hearing him talk about the character from the comics I got sooo upset about the version we got from the CW. Like they fuck everything up! It's infuriating!
Personally the version of Supergirl hes talking about I don't really care for. The version he's talking about has only been around since 2011. Her personality before 2011 was much less angry and far more hopeful. She hung out with the Legion Of Superheroes. Trained hand to hand combat with Wonder Woman on Themyscira.
@@phillipseaton9389 You mean the post crisis version? No, she was still insanely angry. It just wasn't her only character trait like it was in the New 52. Post Crisis Supergirl had just as much rage and potential to become a Red Lantern as New 52 Supergirl did, that rage just wasn't the absolute only character trait that they focused on in the comics.
This Comic book version of Super girl sounds like a female watered-down version of zod.
She kinda seems like the korra to Superman’s aang, as oppose to the show just making her a human golden retriever
I haven't read any supergirl comics and holy shit did you describe a whole different character.
Like, I knew that Arrow took Oliver Queen and made him Batman, so... yeah, don't know why I expected anything else... still. Batman and Superman are pretty cool. And I think takes away the big names that have been portrayed on screen so often, and using a different character was a valid strategy (economically speaking). So I get why they took of the names that cary high expectations and a bunch of properties to compare it with, but kept the super-marketable characters, simply under the veneer of another name. These shows clearly weren't written for the fans of the comics... and even I, who hasn't read the comics, can empathise with what a betrayal that is. So, in conclusion: (as someone coming in contact with the characters through this medium) this show, and other arrowverse shows with it, were pretty entertaining. (though Flash crashed and burned and died and got revived as a zombie that was kept alive in it's rotten form way beyond expiration, and so did most other shows, so I dropped most of them in later seasons...)
tldr: I get why they did it money-wise. It's a shame that money comes first and art somewhere down the line if they have motivation for it...
Read Supergirl 2006. The girl is litterally evil. She wasn't there to protect Kal el but to kill him. Hence her memory loss she totally change personality. She also murder her whole class back to krypton because they bully her (don't worry that pretty normal for kryptonian noble). On earth it is like he said she don't really care about humans she just try to exist by being a superhero but she didn't even seems to like it. Kara is pretty unique as a character.
I agree with the general premise of this video, especially when you say the show's biggest failing is that it tries to build around the messages instead in weaving them in naturally. That's always been my biggest complaint, as well. However, I couldn't really get down with the claim that the show is such a betrayal (or rewrite) of the comic version of the character, because almost everything the video mentions about the character comes solely from the NEW 52 reinvention of the character, ignoring that there were decades of Supergirl stories before that that WERE much lighter and optimistic in tone. The more harsh version of Supergirl was a somewhat radical reinvention at the time, and even recently DC has tried to return some of the levity and more traditional aspects to the character in series like Tamaki and Jones' "Being Super." Basically, I just feel like BOTH versions of Supergirl are valid (the more battle-hardened outsider you prefer, and the more optimistic, Superman-esque version). And at the time this show launched, I was actually happy that it was trying to position itself as more of a traditional Superman-type show, because the Superman we were getting in the Snyder-led movies was itself a darker, more grim rewrite of the comics character. The first season of Supergirl (which I DID like, other than the Jimmy romance crap) actually felt like a nice contrast to that, and a reminder of what more cheery Superman stories could feel like. So I don't blame them for choosing that iteration to run with. I think the real downfall came with the move to CW and the decreased budgets and the increased push to make it a "message" show over a superhero show. That said, Superman constantly telling Kara that she's stronger than him totally DOES feel like something the comic Superman would do, so that doesn't bother me, either. Oh, and also, the Netflix version of Jessica Jones was actually a pretty comic-accurate adaptation of the character, in particular the "Alias" series from Brian Michael Bendis. Anyway, I hope this doesn't sound like a takedown attempt - these were just the elements that came to mind while I was watching this. But like I said, I otherwise think the video nails a lot of the show's problems, and the last bit about the terrible writing in "Triggered" was spot-on to how often the show just indulged in lazy-ass writing.
im very embarassed that as a black woman ive been imagining the guy behind this channel as white all this time lmao
He also said that he was a french man from paris in the emily in paris vid and now I'm confused
@@galprimak3481 he can't be both?
Same😭
@@galprimak3481 why?
@@Natsu.dragneel448 because paris isn't in america?
I think Melissa did a great job as Supergirl. But with so many different characters it seems like her story arc disappeared a bit.
The acting are great the show just just sucks
It's sucks because it went woke
@@enclave6982 yeah that to it went really really woke to
It became the LENA SHOW
@@williebelcher9303 Disagree with the acting its the best of the Cw easily
This reminds me of Smallville Kara and how she was introduced initially as so condescending especially when she belittles Clark`s compassion for humans. Smallville had its faults but still they at least tried to stay loyal to some aspect of the source even though they did mention that Smallville was not Superman in the movies or comics.
@15:22 These are not only from the same episode, these are all from the FIRST episode. And it only gets worse.
Wait I just realised why I used to like the original first series of flash and supergirl
I was like 9 years old.
same
Y’all are so young omg I was 14
I mean, season 1 of flash was actually good tho-
@@fitolothegriffin556 Even season 2 of Flash was good. But Arrow had the most good seasons which is a whopping 3
@@JEntertainment06 which puts things in perspective, since arrow has 8 seasons lol
Melissa is amazing in the role. She'll always the true supergirl.
LOL. She'll be replaced easily. Her version was really cheesy, and this video does a great job explaining why.
@@Knightfall182 You're just saying that cause I like her. I can't believe you're expecting me to believe that crap.
@@godzilla5463 I don't expect that. Just stating the reality of it. Her version of Supergirl will be forgotten a year after the show ends. It was a really lame portrayal, and again this video really nails why.
Oh the naivety.
@@Knightfall182 Again you're just saying that cause I like her. You can tell me her version sucks all you want but I'm gonna continue to watch it and like it.
I could listen to you for hours! You know how to accurately voice everything the majority of the viewers are thinking! And entertaining as well with the jokes, thank you for your content!
I also forgot to mention that Jon Cryer has some actual experience with the Superman franchise back when he played Lex Luthor's nephew, Lenny Luthor in "Superman IV: The Quest for Peace." So yeah. That is why he's playing Lex Luthor in this show.
I'm really glad to see somebody criticize this show (and others like it) in an intelligent and thoughtful way that isn't just "lol females and sjws suck." The poorly-handled socio-politics should be called out for what it is, but the anti-sjw reactionary stuff I've seen elsewhere doesn't really help, and I think causes more left-leaning people to dismiss any solid criticisms with "well, you just don't like strong women" when that's not what the problem is.
Keep up the good work!
This!!!!! Oh a million times this!!! You have no idea how many videos or posts or whatever (not necessarily about Supergirl) I’ve seen where, ironically, people are praised for being “anti-woke” and hating on shows/movies that fail at being “woke”. Like, no? Being anti-woke isn’t a good thing lmao. You don’t shit glitter because you can acknowledge when they’re pushing a fake “woke” agenda. You’d think people would get mad that writers are pretending to care about sociopolitical issues to gain diversity brownie points but nope, they go ahead and blame anyone who doesn’t shit on tHe EvIl LeFt and their “brainwashing” aGeNdA and women (can’t forget those darn women, the REAL sexists, goddammit!!) to disguise their real thoughts on these sociopolitical issues so when someone calls them out on their BLATANTLY misogynistic, racist, etc viewpoints they can point their finger and call them feminazis, sjws, lIbErAlS
and be praised for it by like-minded people.
@@ivette8459 LOL. Damn those crafty women! While some of the anti-woke people are undoubtedly bigots or are just playing to that crowd for views (or both), in some cases, I have to wonder if some people are aware of what woke is actually even supposed to mean. At this point in time, certain words have become so overused and abused that they've lost their original meanings: tomboy, Nazi, SJW... So they hear reactionaries talking about it and automatically assume it must be a bad thing.
Women can be sexist just like PoC can be rascist. Not every woman is strong just like not every man is strong. Egalitarianism is best, not double standards. Hypocrisy is a bad look on anyone
i wouldnt say this was the most intelligent and thoughtful criticism this show could have but yeah its definitely better than an anti-sjw could ever make about anything for sure lol
Dude AGREED
There's so much misogyny baked into this show. Their view on women are so twisted. Kara isn't allowed to be angry, apathetic, rude, or morally ambiguous in any way. Women aren't allowed to be assholes unless they're villains or 'Dark' versions of themselves.
It's always infuriating when adults think making something for kids means dumbing or simplifying things for them. Like girls are not going to get healthy messages out of this. They're just going to see that being a strong woman means being perfect and happy all the time then pining over men.
It's infuriating how obvious it is that the writers consist of mostly men and women with a shit ton of internalized misogyny. They seem to think as long as you put women on screen together it means feminism is winning.
I cringed so much at their woke messages I can't even watch the show anymore.
Sara Lance was a better adaptation of the character than she is.
Also, I get how bad of an adaptation this is but I don't think anything can be worse than the movie that shall not be named
Sara Lance is pretty cool ngl
@@thespoderjedi8079 Sara is cringy. She's only tolerable when she makes a fool of herself on Legends.
@@Knightfall182 ok
She’s also bisexual, so you get non cringy representation and a badass character.
Supergirl is a massive propaganda tool to push a bs political view.
This happens to a lot of classic female characters, especially superheroes I loved them in comics, or in cartoons as a girl, then new writers change everything, and I don't recognize the characters anymore
So basically, Kara from the Flash movie is more comics accurate than the CW version.
Yeah , except from the look
I dont know why, but that "hes a friend from work" gets me every time
It’s a good line.
Lmaooo fr. Every time
@@Dcent_K Wasn't it improvised, too ? I have heard that it wasn't in the script.
@@martelraykin I think a kid suggested it to Chris Hemsworth and he used it in Ragnarok
I always found it funny how she’s supergirl and not superwoman and Clark is superman
They went to so into how supergirl is a good name.
Supergirl is a much catchier name.
Yeah but there is also Wonderwoman so maybe that would have been to similar 🤷🏼♀️
That’s because in the comics, when she becomes supergirl, she is literally still a girl! She’s barely sixteen! She’s not an adult yet, so she’s supergirl, not superwoman.
Yeah, "funny"... It's in general something not great but it bothers me way more when it's elastigirl, literally a fully grown woman and mother of many children come on
I am so happy someone addressed this it literally had so much POTENTIAL and it literally could have had an amazing story line .
My favorite part of this video is when he spends like ten minutes explaining the comic book version of Supergirl as if that has ever been consistent for more than six months at any given point in the history of her existence.
it's true that he explained the new 52 version of her backstory (and yes supergirl has infamously had a very complicated legacy) but her anger/short temper has always been one of her defining characteristics! even back in the silver age she had very high standards for how she wanted to be treated by others. i do think it's more of a series of coincidences than a conscious choice made by the writers though lol