The Flash Season 7 is WORSE Than You Remember
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- čas přidán 2. 06. 2024
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What is up CZcams, my name is Gio, and much like Barry Allen is doomed to keep messing up the timeline, I’m cursed to constantly make videos about this show until it dies in a whimper. After a long wait we are finally talking about Season 7 of the Flash, which may possibly be the worst season of a comic book television series I have ever seen. Never before has a show taken a more drastic nose dive in quality. At least with Batwoman I didn’t expect much, the bar wasn’t high, but The Flash should be better, it has had amazing seasons before, and even within the bad ones they have at least a handful of solid episodes in it. However, season 7 takes all the good faith left with the show and proceeds to beat it down faster than what I do in my spare time. You may be wonder how bad can season 7 really be and can the Flash season 8 be saved it it's crossover, The Flash Armageddon. Well sit back as I explain why The Flash Season 7 is WORSE Than You Remember.
Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
1:40 The Dark Matter Problem
4:50 Time Travel Again
6:38 The Speed Force is Broken
9:97 Breaking the Rules From Crisis on Infinite Earths
11:17 The Flash is Overpowered
18:08 Cecile and Allegra are Pointless Characters
19:45 Caitlin Snow and Killer Frost Problems
24:53 Cisco and Harrison Wells
25:27 Barry Allen and Iris West are STUPID Characters
28:27 The Reverse Flash Returns to Destroy Barry Allen's Character
31:06 Is There Any Good Aspects if The Flash Season 7
31:32 Eric Wallace's Episode Structure is holding back The Flash
38:00 The Flash Armageddon / Can it Save Season 8
39:14 Conclusion
40:41 Outro
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I hated how Godspeed, who in the comics starts out as Barry's friend who after a murderer kills his brother tracks said killer down and kills him and becomes an extreme vigilante who tries to convince Barry he should kill the worst criminals. But in the show he's just generic "I will be the fastest muhahahaha."
And dumb mother fuckers said they wanted God speed and red death of all people in this show lol
What’s worse his motivation to hate Impulse is just that he was jealous he couldn’t run faster then him.
Show gotta show
Because it's a CW show they dont have to stay true to the comics considering they're not apart of the DC UNIVERSE itself
@@grafixxrecords2188 how does this even remotely make sense
I like that he says The Flash season 7 is "worse than you remember", despite the fact that practically no-one will have watched it in the first place. Can't remember a show you forgot in the first place. This video is pretty unforgettable though. Great job!
😂😂I watched to see what cringe it is
I didnt Even knew there were more seasons lmao
The only thing I like fron these new season is the evolution of Killer Frost
I did not even watch it and Ik what happens it’s dodo
I definitely stopped watching 5 episodes in
Regarding Iris, if you remember when Nash came into the story and was scanning for an element that was found in Iris. Maybe not clear as of yet it does introduce that some of the speed force has been in iris’s system . Now some of the other issues, yes does have some issues
Missed one thing. The frost ark is insanely hypocritical, I mean they fired an actor for his past and then thought it was a good idea to make an episode about how frosts crimes were in the past and she’s changed. I’m not the only one who sees a problem with this?
Agreed bro
Not even just her arc, the show is constantly going on about giving people second chances.
Exactly! Ralph was one of the best characters.
Ngl that episode made me never want to watch flash again
Ralph was the so funny and a great character
It does make sense that a family where step siblings get married will think that 4 strangers are their kids
Lmfao
They’re not step siblings, or siblings at all, Iris herself said that in episode 1, they grew up together, but they’re not, nor have they ever been, brother and sister, they were friends before Barry’s mom died and he went to live with Joe
@@deadpooldan9862 technically joe adopted Barry, making him her sibling.
@@ryanrush767 Joe didn’t adopt Barry, he’s more like a foster father than an adopted one, but that still doesn’t make them siblings
@@deadpooldan9862 he lived with joe his whole life, making him his father. Stop defending this dog shit show lol. It’s terrible
The god awful cgi, Barry break dancing, we really hit rock bottom I feel
Barry break dancing was cool
Best part of the entire season
@@htownklown85 no it was not, it was so cringe.
The break dancing just added to his talent resume one, two the fact it was silly in some ways was the point the writer was making about “rainbow racer’s 2.0” whammy affects had. Chill out it fits!
@@htownklown85 Barry breakdancing would fit show like Legends of Tomorrow, because Legends is basically only show overfilled with corniness, goofiness, wackiness, parodies. But not something like Flash
When the speed force started crying cuz she was alone and then it did the zoom out on earth I laughed so hard 😂
This show is just comedy at this point
@@GIGio_Official It used to be a light hearted show with comedic elements and some dark moments. Now it's Dora the Explorer with superspeed. "Villain no killing."
@@Xehanort10 facts. The show has definitely lost its edge
@@GIGio_Official And in an interview about the Armageddon crossover Eric Wallace again talked about his favourite subject Iris. Going on about how it will affect her and Barry's marriage as if anyone other than Westallen shippers cares. Guy's a Candice Patton simp who probably only likes Barry and Iris scenes so he can use Barry as his self insert to imagine banging Patton. I don't think he gets that normal, sane, rational men and women want to watch a superhero show. Pandering to Tumblr fangirls who want everything to be a romance or porno, ignore actual well done and written couples but convince themselves characters who only like each other for looks and sex are "true love" and throw tantrums if their ships don't get together only leads to ruin.
@@Xehanort10 pain
Surprised you didn't touch on the absolute horrid and cliche dialogue that Godspeed had. I mean, those lines seriously made me wonder if we the viewers were supposed to consider Godspeed a joke.
Then there's Reverse Flash. It kinda got touched on but I feel like it's worth mentioning that if Barry really has become fast enough to make RF look like he's moving in slow motion then he shouldn't have needed any help with Godspeed, period.
They have to shoehorn in Thawne in there somewhere.
The beginning of the Godspeed arc made me quit the show, it made no sense and that was just my stopping point for how long I was willing to watch the the flash get worse and worse lol
EXACTLY
Godspeeds motivation is the same as Reverse Flash. This season was hard to sit through.
Not even slow motion he just stopped him all together for a second and the writers want us to believe that he needed help with godspeed like the flash can break time itself for fvcks sake and he needs help
I'm so done with this show
The worst thing about Iris's little speed force connection is that it destroys the whole point of Nash sacrifing himself to power up the speed force and just gives the pride to Iris
When "Allegra's hot" is one of the reasons to watch a show, you know it's garbage
Yelp
Isn't that why people like Mia?
She's like a 4 tho.
Honestly that was kinda the reason why i pushed through season 7. But i hate to say, even her hotness can't save this hot mess
@@shadowrev2914 She's a 4? Did your eyes get gouged out? If she's a 4 on your scale, you're probably a -8.
"The forces are my kids" is the cheesiest and most stupid line ever in the show. Also 34:54 was pretty hillarious.
Thank you! but yeah the line is horrendous
That’s the moment I decided to quit watching the Flash altogether
@@danielbrito1678 I didn't even finish the season, lol. Chester's arc with his dad seemed like a half-baked version of Iron Man's in Endgame. The reason it was sentimental with Tony in the MCU was because we knew their relationship. We saw it affect Tony, especially in Iron Man 2. It travels into Civil War and resolves in the most important arc in Tony's life (being one of his final resolves before Steve Rodgers and his ultimate sacrifice). With Chester's, we were never introduced to their relationship. It was never built, so the resolution feels souless- pretty much describing this whole season
And quite possibly the dumbest storyline ever. I don't know why the showrunners are so damn obsessed with portraying barry and iris as parents. They be having a full grown bearded man call barry and iris "mom and dad" just because they accidentally gave him powers
Alex's"Don't touch me without my consent" line from the SG finale: Hold my beer.
The Flash's main enemies in the comics have one of a handful of methods of combating him:
Slowing him down through some external means
Forcing HIM to slow down through some means
Preventing him from slowing down
Outthinking him
The fact they gave him speed force enhanced brainwaves basically removes three of these weaknesses, meaning that the only way to beat him is to make him slower than the bad guy.
They could’ve even just done something as simple as making Barry a cocky new hero at the start of the show and making him grow as a person over the 9 seasons, but they have to make the main character perfect..
I definitely agree that the forces are not Barry's kids, cause putting into consideration your points of evidence, the only thing Barry and Iris did was merge an already existing vessel, to a prehistoric element of nature. They didn't create them out of nowhere. Not to mention, Joe clearly said "You brought them into this world". So what is that supposed to mean? If Barry brings someone from another dimension or something into Earth prime, then that person would be Barry's child? LMAO. Barry brought them, he didn't create them. Even in science, you could at least treat robots and stuff that you create as your "children", but all Barry did was bring the forces to physical existence, almost like discovering what already exist. Claiming parental rights over someone/something that you did not even create is just dumb.
Beside CW writing in general, I think the main issue the show faces is that The Flash is arguably the most broken OP character in comics. It works in the books, but in the show that means they have to write around the fact that every episode should realistically be less that 60 seconds.
Well I'm not sure if you've seen the premier episode for season 8, but I promise you it is a big improvement from season 7 already. Without spoiling anything too much, lets just say Barry is finally being the OP character he was always meant to be.
@@theyokester3541 They will use up most of the budget on the rest of the crossover and never let him be op for the rest of it, like normal.
@@frogsalesman Normally i’d agree with you but the show writer said this entire season is about Barry being OP, but I will reserve my hope for later
I feel that this is the reason why there aren't really any videogames for The Flash.
At least in the comics (post crisis onwards) it was a gradual power progression.
They should’ve just chosen the best main villains from the comics and then make separate seasons for each of them instead of what they are doing now
Yeah this whole graphic novel system is a mess
@@GIGio_Official Man, I don't know how anyone ever compared The Flash and Daredevil. The Flash could never even doesn't of having a single moment as good as Daredevil.
@@enotsnavdier6867 season 1
I l8ke how Barry fought the Speed Force, the very sorce of his powers, and won. The Speed Force literally could have taken his Speed, but it let him use it against itself. Also, it was great how they explained Frost and Caitlin being in separate bodies. Caitlin started getting headaches, fell ill and began sleeping alot, and then they were in separate bodies. It's extraordinary the size of the mound of cocaine the writers would have to have snorted in order to think these and the topics in the video were good ideas
Exactly
So on the light saber thing... when did Barry learn how to use a sword? Because that in it's self takes a lot of practice.
In my opinion the show was fated to have a downward spiral after "WE are the flash". The motivation behind that type of thinking that made that decision is the same type as "The forces are our children" and by accepting the first one and making it integral to how the show worked moving forward was the type of motivation, thinking, and decision making that led to everything bad that makes up what the show is today.
Oh yeah, season 4 was the beginning of the end we just didn't know it yet
this whole time, i thought i was the only one who was bothered by the "WE are the flash" line, and this is coming from someone who didn't dislike iris. Like, why are you taking the credit, ma'am?? It's like if my boyfriend bought a house for himself, i helped decorated, and then i go and say "this is OUR house now"
I think I unintentionally blocked that moment from my mind because I don't remember hearing that and I don't blame my mind from doing it and every time I rewatch the flash, I end it at season 3 because that's when it when SEVERELY downhill
@@JonasRosado If you have to mentally block content for it to be accepted, then that's not a good sign.
The "We are the Flash" concept was already implied from the first season if you payed more attention. I joked about this idea back then, to my brother, after watching the 8th episode(S1). When it was officially said, I just facepalmed.
This was the season that made me finally give up on The Flash as a whole. After the whole "Forces" arc, I decided that I was officially done with this show. And by what I've seen bits and pieces of afterwards with Godspeed and non-stop filler even more ridiculous than before, I knew I made the right decision.
You definitely made the right decision, I have never gotten so made before than when I was making this video lol.
@@GIGio_Official Ha, I think I might see the Armageddon thing only because the guys that played Black Lightning and Atom are coming back and they are decent characters but that's about all I can take.
Edit: On second thought, fuck that. I'm just going to wait on clips, I don't know what the hell I was thinking a few mins ago.
Fucking same
@@Wonderlandhype lmfao. Smart.
I'm only watching season 8 to play Flash Trope Bingo. I have no more attachment to these characters.
All I'm saying is with Eva, she's basically Hanged Man from JoJo and just a reminder Hanged Man was Borderline unstoppable simply because reflections are insanely hard to counter. They literally beat him by trapping him in Polnareffs eye (because his main weakness was that he could be attacked inside of whatever reflection he was in) and then polnareff turning him into a life sized pin cushion. After about 3-4 episodes of chasing the mf.
Wasn’t even that simple. They couldn’t hurt him in reflections either, they had to hit him as he travelled between them (at superspeed). They had to guarantee that he could only go in one direction to have even a chance at hitting him
In relation to Eric Wallace's graphic novel story structure, I feel like another example of smaller arcs within a season being done well is Agents of Shield, namely season 4. It has three arcs, and each of them built off each other before culminating and all coming back together in the season finale. But at the same time, each arc is its own story with its own satisfying resolution.
We have the same name
When I heard that it was Barry and Iris's love that brought back the speed force I immediately started laughing
😂😂😂😂😂 😂
Nah it makes sense. That's why it was so dysfunctional
Remember back when everyone thought that Arrow Season 4 was the worst season of the Arrowverse? Well that's a big change now!
i still do
@@BlackbirdRX better than Batwoman season 2 in my opinion, that's the worst season of TV ever
@@FlarrowSpider Batwoman was doomed from episode 1, so i kinda wasnt really mad about it. Arrow season 4 was just... every single thing i hate about the DC Multiverse put on display
@@BlackbirdRX true
@@FlarrowSpider Batwoman season 2 was still bad, but not nearly as infuriating as arrow s4
Arrowverse ended after crisis on infinite earths. Change my mind.
Yeah when I watched the Lightsaber fight at the end, I was like: "OKay--they don't care anymore." It's just a paycheck project for Grant and the rest of the crew..😕
"I think I understand the rules of this universe" - no, you don't. No one does, because the writers keep changing them.
This show is a dumpster fire now. There's no stakes, time travel is inconsistent, bad dialogue, the writer's keep trying to turn Iris into a major character, the Speed Force is Barry's mommy issues, everyone's always crying, etc. and etc. - CW please just end this show now.
Also, that final lightsaber battle was cringe af....Christ, now I know why Cavanaugh bailed on this sh*t show.
There was no real rules from start. There was doing what they wanted and then patching how they did it and why they can't do it again etc.
The big problem with season 7 is dialogue, turning something metaphorical (the forces as “kids) and making it literal. I honestly still hate seasons 4 and 5 more than 7 but that's because I can just roll my eyes when cringe happens. It doesn't trigger me no matter what I'm watching. My only real complaint was the three straight filler episodes. Filler won't be a problem in season eight because minus the crossover they only have 13 episodes.
Oh the dialogue is horrendous, but trust mw when I tell you, dialogue us the least of its problems.
Yea because apparently the writers have a fetish for Barry and iris being parents. They have alot of "kids" or characters that basically fit that role
Oh yeah I do forgot that they going to have 18 episodes because of covid restrictions
@@Troll_vs. yeah they are trained desperate for Barry Iris two happy parents the force thing was kind of stupid and they actually had to actual kids and Noah and Bart and also Bart was awesome
@@2jebeal yea but the other 3 forces apart from the speed force were created by Barry and Iris making them "their kids", and this was while they were recreating the speed force
The speed force becoming a human is the equivalent of Kratos switching his body with a gold fish before fighting Baldur. Just why?
About the flashpoint: I totally agree that the season is really badly written, but it just occured to me, that flash could make a flashpoint by going to the future to see Nora, if he somehow makes an affect on Nora running back in past to see her father, when she has not seen him even once
That's a different Nora right? That Nora got corrupted by whatever red speed force she and reverse use, and was erased from the timeline. Isn't that the whole reason why nate exists?
Also, good riddance. If season 5 Nora doesn't exist than the world would be better.
One thing i must add: You can also put Agents of Shield as a example of how to use various story arcs in one season, season 4 used 3 story arcs, each one telling a diferent story, the first one was about Ghost Rider, the second one was about robots replacing people and the third one was about being in a virtual reality.
And guess what? Not only these arcs have a connective tissue than joins them together but also the placement of each arc leads to the next and most importantly, the ending serves as a pay off of these three diferent arcs in a satisfactory way.
That was THE best season of agent of shield omg
I wanted to comment on that topic, cause, since the theme of this video is a tv show, i actually thought he'd bring up AOS seasons 4 and 5 as example, and not My Hero Academia, although it still is a good example of the topic, but you've done it first. But yeah, I'm with you in there. In my opinion season 4 of Agents of S.H.I.E.l.D. is the best structured season of any existing show, or at least of those that i ever watched. Not only they managed to do a 22 episode season without any fillers, thanks to the 3 arcs story progression, but they also managed to connect those arcs while clearly being able to distinct them as 3 separate stories and managed to do a conclusive ending for all 3 arcs in a final episode.
That's def the best season OF AOS
The Flash really was my favorite show, but the problem this season had is that stakes and consistency don't matter anymore as 10:51 proves. I loved the fact that Flash was evolving with his "speed thinking" ability (which he has in comics) and finally becoming a protagonist that can stand for himself. But being "too logical" and "losing emotions" being the reasons that Barry lost this ability made me groan. Superman is a character with thought that's emotional. But he's not an idiot. Flash CAN be a logical character with emotions(hell, most detectives in fiction- L. Lawlet, Sherlock Holmes, and Batman have emotions as their flaws[paranoia is an emotion, Batman fans]and they're incredibly smart people).
But tbh, I think the writers realized Flash coming out of his shell meant Cisco, Caitlin, and the rest of team Flash would be useless 🤔
Agents of shield was great until season 6 (of course season 1 wasn't so good but still)
The writers need to watch this so they can improve in their show
Im pretty sure they did listen cuz now in series 8, barry is actually the main character and the show has an actual plot(which is pretty dang good, especially episode 2)
I think the lack of frost is because she is a new mother and has that as her first priority, but because she is a fan favorite character they have to use her at least a couple times....im also betting that allegra sister (can't remember her name lol) died right away is probably because of her doing other projects as well
Frost is kinda basic tbh. As a villain she was something to be reckoned with but as a "hero" she couldn't do anything and was borderline useless, that in itself didn't make sense but that's the show
I dropped the show in the season with Cicada. When they teleported his dagger into space (instead of a different Earth), told him about it and then stood around doing nothing was enough for me to finally quit.
Lol. And here I thought my biggest problem with the show is that they literally repeat the same lesson every season. And for some reason all the characters seem to forget anything they learned from the pervious season and start all over in character development.
Or how they literally make Flash op to then castrate him aka not being able to catch to a ficking normal human running. So we ending up having some Flash who runs so fast he can literally bend laws of physics being outrunned by some normal guy...
Worse than I remember?? I remember it pretty bad, how WORSE CAN IT BE???
Edit: nvm, first reason alone makes it worse than I remember. 💀💀
I told you! Its really bad
I stopped watching when the forces of nature started calling Barry and Iris “mom” and “dad”, they’re not treated as avatars for their respective forces (unlike the Speedforce which takes the form of Barry’s mom when it interacts with them all) but all of them had their own lives prior to getting their powers, also they completely changed the dynamic between Barry and the Speedforce, even in season 7 she still refers to Barry in a way a mother would but she then all of sudden starts calling him “father.”
32:55 One thing regarding the 'Forces Arc' that makes limiting it to a handful episodes even worse is that, in the comics, the overall storyline is way more complex, and part of it even tied into Scott Snyder's JL run (as the 'Still Force' is one of the 'Negative Forces' shown in his run). On the top of all of that, I'm quite sure it wasn't even finished yet by the time S7 writing began!
I'm glad I dropped the show right at the beginning of this arc... From what I see, they have managed to royally screw up in every way possible.
At one point I loved the Arrowverse; there was a small moment in time when all of the shows were Good at the same time. I couldn't wait to watch each episode of Arrow, Flash, Supergirl, & Legends. I managed to suffer through Arrow to its end, but Supergirl lost me around season 5 or 6, the one when Lena becomes the bad guy cuz shes mad she wasn't told about Kara's alter ego. That was so convoluted to me that I couldn't continue. I didn't even bother with season 7 of The Flash, 6 was just too terrible. I'd watch Legends if I cared enough
i feel like legends is entertaining, but completely illogical. I thought season 1 was amazing, and they somewhat adhered to the rules of time travel that they set up, but now the show is just a farm for plot holes
@@angrychickengod3831 I haven't watched Legends past season 3 I think, but it was fun & didn't take itself too seriously, which I enjoyed. It's probably the only Arrowverse show I'll eventually make an effort to finish watching, but the others I won't even bother. with. I hear good things about the new Superman & Lois, I think I'll give that a shot too
Go watch superman and lois or Stargirl
@@shahanahsan05 roger that, will do!
@@faze_buendia9514 Superman and Lois, and Stargirl are amazing
*looks at the title* me: I mean I remembered being bad already but please pop off king.
It's worse. I get mad just thinking about it.
Time travel got me so confused so in season 1’s finale Thawne said you had to focus on the memory you wanted to travel to in order to go back to whenever you want to go back so how the hell do they travel to the future since they have no memories of the future
Your "ARE YOU HIGH!!"s especially at 16:37 was so comical, they actually make me laugh out loud. They just have such a vibe to it...
6:00 I can feel how annoyed he was with the shows lack of logic with time travel when he just threw the marker at the board😂😂😂
3:16 that really was my first question when they revived that chick: "Didn't they resolve Iris having speed?" Her powers literally came out of thin air from a episode that resolved itself. I swear, this season frustrated me as much as confused me
I think Barry was paranoid because the last time he went to the future. He watched his daughter fade from existence.
Although granted later when he was dealing with his 'Children' he went to the past to get wells before using Wells to go to the past. Why couldn't he use Wells to go to the future as well?
Honestly the thing about crossovers I kinda have mixed feelings about ... These seasons were designed to be on television and airing on different days for different arrowverse shows and when the crossover happened you would have entire weeks dedicated to them which felt amazing ... But on the other hand I don't watch TV anymore so going back and watching these series where I have control really screws up how to enjoy the crossovers and stuff
Honestly season 4 is where I started to worry about this show. The Flash was always kind of the mid-point comedy wise between Arrow and Legends of Tomorrow I felt. And then when Legends of Tomorrow started being listed in things like "Best shows on tv" by popular publications it seems The Flash just decided to go all in on the comedy from season 4 onwards but without writers or characters that were really equipped for it and it's been a downward spiral since.
Don't get me wrong the show has SO MANY problems but I just don't think the show is funny enough to get away with a crap story. I mean even meh episodes of Legends story wise are watchable because the writers and cast have got the comedy nailed down and just watching the cast interact is a lot of fun, with The Flash it's just Barry Allen and his bunch of boring episode padding.
Another big difference between Flash and LoT that makes LoT's comedy work better: LoT doesn't take itself seriously
It took you 4 seasons to worry? Really? Seasons 1 to 3 are worthless garbage already.
30:05 it's even worse because by around season 3 it was implied that he'd finally caught up to reverse-flash in terms of speed and then they both kept getting faster the show going on because the show just hand waved away the reason why the reverse-flash was as fast as Barry by the time crisis on earth-x happened even though Barry should have been way faster than him at that point somehow they were even in speed
My biggest problem with season 7, just finished it yesterday, was that Barry was always objectively right in his approach to almost all problems, but his plans were presented as the wrong ones and literally every single character had a problem with how he wanted to do things, Barry is supposed to be team leader, it’s literally called team FLASH!!
Since the comics introduced Godspeed with The new 52 I’ve been waiting for the force storm that made a bunch of new speedsters, every time there was a crazy lightning storm on the show I thought, “this is it, it’s finally happening”, the way they handled Godspeed was total garbage. Giving Barry a bunch of rookie speedsters to baby sit could have been a good way to raise stakes again and having Godspeed kill the new speedsters to steal their speed would have made him a credible threat on the levels of Eobard Thawn, the CW flash writers never understood the assignment, it’s like they watched the movie instead of reading the book for their report
I just want to throw out a compliment to you my guy, your jokes are on point. Getting caught doing a line by the camera in the beginning, the tissue box. Simple jokes but you do them so well. Keep up the good work
Thanks bro. Glad you found them funny. My wordplay still needs work but its getting better.
26:53 I mean, he's right, she's not a person, at best she's the physical Avatar/face of the Speedforce, but the Force can exist without that form
personifying the speed force is still baffling to me. Not only is it sad to see Nora Allen paraded around like that, but like, does the show not have enough characters already?? Do we really need the Speed Force, a literal force akin to gravity, to be a fucking character? The force arc worked just fine without that in the comics, why change it?
Making the speed force human takes away the mysterious and mystical part of it.
"How do you beat someone with the ability to stop and manipulate time?"
TFS Vegeta: "Guldo? Cut his head off then throw a dog biscuit at him."
Senzu bean!
At least with Guldo, it was dependent on how long he held his breath. With Deon, it’s just how long he wants.
Not only is Jay returning problematic from the point of crisis, and who was the first flash etc, but he's also the doppelganger of Barry's dad - meaning he'd replace Barry's dad in the shared universe. So in this universe did Barry's dad never really exist?
Love the video man. I was so hyped when you mentioned My Hero Academia because I just finished Season 4 the other day and agree they’re storytelling especially dealing with superheroes was amazing. I really wish you’d do a whole video on My Hero. Please think about it
This show needs to end.
Black Siren survived Crisis but didn't replace Earth Prime Laurel but it was explained as Oliver allowing Earth 2 Laurel to live. I don't know if that would apply to Jay but, yeah thought I would make the note :)
Apparently, he is from the new Earth-2 since he shows up in the Stargirl's JSA. He probably moved into Earth-Prime at some point.
A small nitpick: According to the rules of this universe, you absolutely CAN create a flashpoint by going forward in time! If you go forward in time, you will probably learn something from the future. So once you go back to your time, this knowledge you otherwise would not have will change the timeline! So the flashpoint will be experienced for the people in the future, just not for Barry and the "current" timeline.
Now you might be thinking, "Well then he could just not tell anyone what he learned or do anything differently than the original timeline!". My response would be, how would he know what he's doing is different from the original timeline? Imagine having to second-guess every decision you make because it might cause a flashpoint for your future children, without ever knowing which decision will be the one that does it! The only way to for sure prevent a flashpoint for future people is to not go into the future at all.
... didn't they cover this in season 3 though? That you kinda can't change the future no matter how hard you try, and also that the future is super malleable hence why we haven't seen the future depressed Barry?
I seem to remember that the moral of the story was that the now time is the only time that matters. You can fuck up the future so long as the past is stable.
I'm a little sad with myself that I managed to make it to *season 8* before realizing I had not genuinely smiled throughout a whole season since season 2. Season 4 was the last one I can say I enjoyed. If I had to rewatch it, season 3 is the furthest I would go, if that.
8:11 Why a cosmic power decided it wanted to take human form as the mother of one of its speedsters and have a tantrum like a spoiled kid will forever be a mystery.
4:20 Didn't they try to say that Iris touching Barry's hand while he was in a coma at the start of Season 1 somehow gave her some of the Speed Force. That was the stupid explanation if I remember.
I think spark hand touch things in season 1 was indicated that they both soulmate but Eric and writers decided that made that indicated as speed force in Iris all time. Really 🙄. What lazy writing. It was very stupid
That would mean that everyone working at Star Labs, every paramedic, the people that found Barry knocked out and everyone else who touched him during his coma should be able to get super speed like Iris did. Can't wait for that to come up in season 8 part b.
5:30 I haven't seen the show since season 4 finale but Barry could have meant that by knowing the future he could change the timeline somehow and just didn't want to take a risk of creating another flashpoint that way because that is technically "altering" the past right?? Or am I missing something??
I would be able to see that, but when Nora and Bart come from the Future he isn’t worried about the timeline at all. Wouldn't knowing his future kids effect the timeline, potentially making another "Flashpoint"
@@GIGio_Official Ah I wasn't aware of that little fuck up. I was purely going through what was said in this video so I wasn't aware of that part.
So yeah Barry is definitely an idiot lol no doubt 😂
@@sammydray5919 oh yeah. Season 8 looks to be trying to make him smarter. Or should I say smart again.
And it actually worked because Barry used his powers more often than he did in the early seasons.
This show doesn’t even feel like the flash anymore. It feels like riverdale ft the flash
Have you seen Madvocate’s videos on the Flash. He talks about the stupidity of how Flash uses his powers in the show, and how it presents multiple problems in the fights scenes. They’re pretty helpful with why the show is bad
And it also shows that the show has been bad from the beginning, not just season 7 lol
Those are the action scenes. People liked it for its mystery and story. The story overshadowed the action scenes.
10:30 Even if it was a 'no living dopples' loophole (as in Garrack and his wife can exist because Henry and Nora died long before Crisis) that should get Harry and Jessie a free ride as Earth 1 Wells has been dead about as long as Nora, and Jessie doesn't even have an Earth 1 counterpart because Harrison Wells was dead.
I just say Henry and Jay were brothers Joan and Nora were sisters.
And the worst thing was that cisco left the team on that season
I just re-watched Season 7 and it really is the worst Flash season.
I can think of several reasons:
- There were no actual main villains. This season tried to finish the Mirror Monarch arc only on due to COVID, which I understand and wanted to get it over with, but instead of having one concrete main villain that leaves their own presence throughout the seasons, the showrunners introduced 2 clumsily written villains: The Speed Force and Godspeed. The Speed Force as a villain felt extremely forced, and Godspeed was a straight up Power Rangers villain who had to real incentive other than "me want more speed". As a result, not only were we left with a disjointed season, but a disjointed season with terrible low stakes villains.
- Wells and Cisco's departure. I think in the Flash team, Cisco and variations of Wells are the only consistently good members. The actors are phenomenal (especially Tom Cavanaugh). Seeing them leave the team left me empty. Caitlyn is not even Caitlyn anymore, we got left with an Iris 2.0 and Chester P. Runk (who is kinda ok). The team dynamic in this season was broken very early on. This season is basically confirmation that Barry doesn't need Star Labs anymore.
- The tension was oddly extremely low-stakes in this season. Barry has seemingly achieved whatever he wanted now (even his confidence and full Speed Force powers in the finale. The writing oddly depicted every problems in almost every episode in this season not as stressful as the previous ones, or we as audiences already guess the episode structure already.
- The formula got so old, predictable and repetitive that no one cares anymore.
That whole these are our kids (forces) and them calling barry and iris mom and dad was beyond infuriating. Side note: It never sat well with me since the beginning, 2 people getting together and married, who lived and were raised together basically as brother and sister and who each call joe dad in barry and iris. Not to mention how quick and cool joe was with it when they got together.
Aw man I forgot to mentiion how much I hated mega vibe, he looks ridiculous, and his powers are so much weaker then when he was vibe.
It's messed up
sweet home Central City
Tbh I think they portrayed it in a way that makes you think it’s excusable because in the beginning it seemed to me like he just lived with them for a couple of months. And I think they did that on purpose to try and make you forget that they were raised as siblings. And also I really applauded them for having a race bent Iris but I think that also made it “easier” for them to write the romantic plot because we see them as less of siblings because of their different races.
@@zazalula9064 I can definitely see that as a reason why they cast iris as black. It was also an obvious device to show she apparently is only attracted to white men. (her first boyfriend who died, her attraction to Oliver, etc.
@@fsociety7494 so true! They used it as a way of distinctly establishing her “type” and making Barry fit into her type. And also to subconsciously make the distinction in viewers minds so that when she and Barry get together you don’t question it on first view until you really think about it lol. Because I can’t lie, I never thought about them being adopted siblings the first time I watched.
Ahhh, this video makes me feel SO validated. I agree with literally ever single point you made, I just wish you had talked more about how bad the second half of the season was (even if the first half was WAY worse).
16:47 "are you high" came from his heart
The show lost me when they made Iris smarter than Caitlyn and Felicity. Now if were about fashion, sure, hands down with her fine behind. But with problem solving? They lost me. The show was actually doom from the jump when they made Iris and Barry siblings. And, oh yeah, the first actual flashpoint was when the reverse flash killed Barry's mom, which altered how he got his powers and why Eobard ended causing Barry to get his powers and training him to use them. One question was never answered, that's been bugging me, whatever happened to the original flash? The flash that saved Barry as a child, he would have been stuck there as well because both speedsters were pulling on the speedforce, which was the reason I thought kept Eobard stuck there.
He left as soon as he pulled young Barry out of RF's way, I guess. The question is why RF loses his powers more or less instantly after messing up the timeline but keeps his memories of his future, but Flash causes his own Flashpoint in Season 3 and then chills in his new timeline for an entire summer but it's only in S3E1 do we see him losing his powers and his memories of the previous timeline.
Bonus on Barry and Iris being siblings from the jump; the Flashpoint timeline proves he only loves her because they're foster siblings living in the same house. The Wests aren't remotely friends with the Allens in Flashpoint, Iris doesn't even know Barry's name when he tries to talk to her, Joe questions Barry's concern for him in that timeline because they don't know each other, and when Barry is breaking the news to his parents about finally asking her out, Nora and Henry straight up treat it like he's been stalking her for months while he's been living in their basement. So the Barry that existed in that Flashpoint before Pre-FP Barry hijacked his brain/body (or murdered him on some Another Me shit) had no interest in Iris, otherwise this wouldn't be a new development for Nora and Henry.
Every time history is changed, a new timeline is created/added. It is just not the one we're following. When the series of the same universe are losing ratings/viewership, they make changes by pressing the reset button: AKA Crisis or Flashpoint.
Truly I had a reason to skip season 7 of Flash. Because your video tells it all Gio.
You are a smarter man than me
8:31 and even an entity as old as the Speedforce, having received human emotions like a month ago, will have a very low tolerance for any of them, as well as quite possibly the emotional maturity of a child so her crying and screaming when things don't go her way would almost make sense.
I think I speak for all former fans of this show when I say we all wish we could write a season that starts around season 2-3
The thing is everyone was effect by Dark Matter the night of the partical excelator blew up.
It sent Dark Matter out across the entire city hitting every single person.
So even though Iris didnt get powers she was still effected by it. Meaning that she can she can still do things as long as an outside source is the cause. I think the same can be said for every single person in Central City.
As for Camila not being able to do the same, she was brought into the mirror dimension through the use of the mirror gun, not being directly dragged into it like Iris was.
EDIT 1 (might be more but i dont want to wait to the end of the video to comment on them because i might forget and dont want to give a second view lol)
What Barry was talking about is going to the future and coming back with knowledge of what happens and changes thing in essence creating a third Flashpoint (first one was when he went back in the during the fight with weather wizard and stopping him to soon and changing the time line ( yes it saved Cisico so it was okay ) so it made a Flashpoint in a way ).
EDIT 2
The reason why so many Earths were combined when Earth Prime was created was not just because of Oliver but because of the 7 chosen Heros as well, so all their earths were combined. The reason why Jay Garrick and his wife survived is because Barry's parents were dead and they were doplegangers of them so their was no other version of them alive on Barry's Earth when crisis happened. The only reason that Harrison Wells got revived the way he did was because Nash and every other wells was killed off.
12:15 Barry's newest power "Talk no Jutsu"
Newest? He had it since the start of the show, wym?
Any of us could probably write a better season than the shows writers themselves
Haven't seen this show since season 3 and that lighting saber fight had me dead.
trust me your one of the only people who'd talk about the flash on youtube
Season 7 sucked because we had to labor through the end of the Mirror Mistress arc, then that god-awful "Forces" arc, and when we finally got to the Godspeed arc, they rushed it. The Godspeed arch should've been a season long arc....Oh, and now, we talk out our problems to save the world.
The biggest problem was that they talked down the villain and she just stopped when they asked her to. Oh okay so we could have skipped the whole season if we just asked her to? What the hell? Was it budget cuts? Covid? Writer's strike? What on earth?
You didn't even mention how corny Chillblaine was
That character isn't worth my breath
I like how season 7 is so bad that there can be tens of videos that are 40+ minutes long criticising it and STILL they all have some points that haven't been raised.
Man this video entertained me more than the flash season 7. Keep up the good work man!
This was somewhat okay at first i personally loved the first episode I think that it was amazing but then...
The Season got so bad so fast!
One problem that was pointed out to me is that they mess up the characterization of Xs and by extension, Impulse because while yes they are the flash's children from the future they are grown adults so they should not act like little kids this problem is huge with Xs and one example with the burping contest cause while I understand they were trying to show a sibling relationship that is not the way to do it. Another thing that really bothered me was the terrible line he is my thawne from Bart like that made no sense because they didn't even explain why godspeed hated Bart specifically.
And I know this is a weird gripe but why is despero human his design is so good especially his buffed up one.Do they still not have a budget like jeez its a crossover make him alien
Omg i forgot about the burping contest. Deadass thought that XS was more of an adult in s7 ;-;. I do remember how ridiculous Bart was tho
@@alexanderk7353 She kind of was but not overall I mean part of it is the inflection she uses when speaking to make her sound more naive
@@RingsideSumo true
I'm excited to see Gio's opinion on season 8, because until now, it has shown great sings of improvement from... well, this.
That intro caught me off guard lmao, this is gonna be good
Edit: Great video as always, I'll be expecting another video on season 8 lol
The future is still the past to something and presumably, given the mug analogy, it would create a ripple effect.
Well the show established that running to the future doesn't effect their present so it is still an Inconsistency of the show
@@GIGio_Official that's false, running to the future does affect the present, do you even watch the show??
@@theflashdcuniverse how has running to the future effect the present before? At most what it does is it gives our characters new information to use, but it was never established that time travel in general could creat a another Flashpoint. If that was the case, why is it not a problem in season 3 to go to the future.
I apologize profusely for the length of this comment.
5:36, If I remember correctly from Season 3, the problem established for going to the future was not being able to predict what you’d see when you got there. “A person often meets his destiny on the road he took to avoid it.” and all that.
Much of Season 3 revolves around Barry seeing an out of context moment from the future where Savitar stabs and kills who appears to be Iris in front of his future self and returns to his present determined to prevent this moment, only for it to happen anyway either regardless of or partly as a result of the actions he and the team took to prevent it (whether or not the Harrison Wells doppelgänger was disguised as Iris originally or because of the teams knowledge of the event ahead of time is unclear).
On top of that, if he changed an event in the future, he may not be causing a deviation in the part of the timeline, but he’d still be causing changes to the timeline in ways he wouldn’t be able to predict just as he did in Flashpoint, something that his kids do bring up when they arrive. The only difference would be that new Flashpoint would be on a later part of the timeline and therefore ostensibly have no effect on his present or his allies (unless a threat from the altered future he created were to arrive in his present), which was the main reason he doesn’t want to try and change things that happen in the present after witnessing all the horrible and unpredictable things unleashed from that decision, like Cisco’s brother dying or the creation of the Savitar paradox.
Either way, the show has long since lost its edge. The most positivity I can give is the look of the Speed Force’s lightning and some of the other special effects. Just sets something off in my monkey brain.
14:57, The Speed Force blades weren’t what bothered me personally. The cool but unnecessary involvement from Thawne in the episode was a much larger issue. We’ve seen Godspeed’s tech shown to be powerful enough to somehow combat the Speed Force embodiment and allow him and his duplicates to absorb Speed Force energy with their suits, which additionally diminishes the idea that it is this all-powerful force of nature, just as it's not being able to save Barry from Bloodwork, it dying, and it not being able to simply take away Godspeed’s power completely. However, Barry has an entire group of allied speedsters that have been personally amplified in capability by the Speed Force embodiment (as well as the other Forces) while Godspeed and Thawne have no such benefit, with the former’s suit admittedly being a believable counter to Barry’s powers as it can absorb it. But instead of Barry relying on the rest of his team to help overwhelm and gang up on this lone speedster, he summons Thawne, who even if the Speed Force embodiment somehow boosted to be able to keep up with Godspeed…......is still Thawne, the man who killed his mother, endangered and threatened his friends and family, led to the deaths of Eddie and Ronnie, sided with Nazi’s from another dimension, led to the erasure of a future version of his daughter after having manipulated her into using the Negative Speed Force, and if just let go, (as Barry does in this episode) can and will cause him and everyone close to him trouble as long as he exists.
And that doesn't even cover the one time he used magic to rewrite reality for a bit.
I ignore the whole Speed Force Constructs since of course by now Barry and every other speedster has grown so much more advanced in their powers, especially considering the Speed Force personally boosting them even further beyond as if she’s and the other characters are in Dragon Ball. For a while now, the show has been having speedsters gain new and impressive techniques (namely Speed Force constructs) either off-screen or simply without much focus being on their discovery. As perhaps not as exciting as, it's simply how the show handles these powers now. But you’re right in the sense that other than it being cool and surprising, it’s only there to add something new and fresh to a speedster fight rather than being necessary or making sense. They can just break and cut through things while their hands are vibrating after all.
It’s not like in FX’s Marvel show Legion, where psychics (who are just that shows version of speedsters complete with their own Speed Force dimension called the Astral Plane) can use their mind powers to fight in an ungodly amount of different and unique ways limited only by their imagination, from turning into shapeshifting ghosts that appear as anything from a samurai to a Boeing AH-64 Apache
Attack Helicopter…….to rap and dance battles.
That’s right…..they can fight and kill you and practically destroy your mind…….by insulting you in rhyme.
From the early looks of Season 8, they at least have an interesting hook with the mystery surrounding Barry's supposed future turn (which is likely just going to be Thawne using his face), so there's that.
The Godspeed arc felt way to rushed, and honestly that wasn’t even enough to cure the pain of that rest of the season.
Favorite part of this video 16:38 “are you high!” 😂
I was so in love with The Flash for so long. Then I tried watching season 7. Halfway through the first episode something just felt off and I just couldnt finish it. I procrastinated watching it long enough for the season finale to come along, then I started seeing reviews and clips and realized me stopping there was the right choice. I work aloy so when I watch a show, I see it as me choosing to put my time into something. I figure if the show has really derailed like this, its not worth wasting my time. It waa fun while it lasted
Worst season ever of a comic superhero? Mmm yes it's terrible but I can't get past how bad the last season of Supergirl was... Or at least the last 2 episodes.
P.S. After watching your video I correct my statement. I honestly blocked out how bad it was in my head (and yes I watched the whole season). Supergirl was freshest in my mind and I'm still rinsing my eyes out with bleach.
Not just this last season of Supergirl. I mean the seventh season of the flash is so bad, it made people forget about Arrow season 4.
Supergirl is entirely bad tho
I stopped watching Super Girl after season 2. Barley got past like 3 eps of season 3
Every episode of the flash ever conceived makes me want to blow my brains out. Barry Allen and almost every character is absolutely brain dead.
this isnt to do with the main bread and butter of the video but in the wrap up you said this is one of the best videos you ever maked well that's not a word the word you're looking for is made.
Man I can list a lot of things wrong with season 7 and the show entire:
1. Barry isn't the main character: What is Barry's storyline this season? What was his character development. Hell, there are episodes where Barry's completely missing. How can a show called 'The Flash' rarely feature THE FLASH. Barry is literally no existent these days.
2. Too many side character-centred episodes: We've had episodes dedicated to Killer Frost, Cecile, and then Allegra WHO TF CARES?! Sure, you can have some story to build these characters but The Flash should not be an ensemble show. Again, Barry is the main focus.
3. Graphic novel structuring: The structure of this season is all over the place. We had 9 episodes for the Forces storyline. Now 3-4 episodes of 'interlude' and filler? And then we've only got 4 episodes left for the Godspeed arc. Super inconsistent this season.
4. Pep talks. Pep talks. AND MORE PEP TALKS: The drama feels so forced because every character needs a pep talk to progress the episode along, even the villains. This is just a super lazy form of storytelling that I wish all CW shows, not just The Flash, would stop doing.
Barry rarely uses/explores his powers: When was the last time Barry threw lightning? Or a super sonic punch? Or anything cool like that. Nowadays, Barry's speed is just used to run people around and some episodes, never uses his powers altogether. This is what people came for right- the superhero element??
5. Tone is VERY INCONSISTENT: Cisco's farewell episode featured a breakdancing Barry and a super silly sitcom-like villain. And Cecile's episode delved into mental health and depression. This show is bordering between a comedy and a CW drama, and it just feels super hard to get attached to.
6. The villains suck: SpeedForce Nora sucked. The villains of the week are just pathetic. And I wish the show would stop gender-swapping their classic villains. I usually don't have a problem with it when it serves the story (eg. The Top as a woman and the right hand to Mirror Master), but the Turtle 2.0 felt very forced.
7. Lazy storytelling: Cisco's Book of Big-Bads is so laughably stupid. All the scientific explanations seem so half-arsed these days they don't even make sense anymore. At least in Season 1, the average viewer could somewhat follow and understand what was going on.
the point of Barry not using his powers is the worst for me. I started watching the flash because, outside of comics, he's rarely used, and for obvious reasons. You have Batman, a relatively normal dude who could get shot and die. You have Superman, a literal God walking among humans trying to live a life and protect them. All pretty easy characters to write a story about. Then you get to the Flash. Simply put, the flash is also a straight up God. What makes it different than Supes tho, is that his incredible power isn't just, being Super in every way. His borderline divinity comes with the clever uses his powers come with (time literally freezing at the speed of light, going faster than any other natural force could affect him, etc ). He's a very high risk-high reward character to write, if you fuck up you fuck up HARD (see all the stupid ways he's killed off or disabled so the writers don't have to deal with his OP-ness), but if you write an interesting conflict for him it's top tier superhero content. Flashpoint (in the comics at least) and the flashtime episode are examples of the latter. You don't nerf Barry into the ground, but the scenario he's in is tricky to solve. That's how to make a good flash conflict - outside the box conflict, as any regular problem could be solved with Barry zapping away the big bad in a second. And the CW sadly uses the "disable Barry in the stupidest way possible" thing, while also giving us the occasional cool moment to keep us in, which imo only makes it worse as it reminds you that Barry could be doing so many interesting things but just, doesn't. The finale where he shows off how much faster he is than Thawne is fucking stupid, why flex how "cool and fast" Barry is if he NEVER USES SAID SPEED. it's just rubbing salt in the would
11:08 I honestly would LOVE to know what the new Post Crisis timeline is, or at the very least how it affected the previous seasons (like the Pied Piper stuff in one of the previous episodes) or the crossovers.
35:50 Agents of SHIELD also does the “graphic novel idea” very well in most of their seasons. I don’t remember season 6 and 7 having more than one arc each, but definitely 2, 4, 5, and maybe 3 has this “graphic novel idea” in use
I know that I am late to this one, but when it was revealed in season one Harrison Wells/Eobard had been watching and listening in on them the whole time through surveillance cameras. Then they go back to formulating and plotting in those same locations with no mention of if they ever dealt with that. At least show us them finding something.
Okay, now that I've watched your video, I'd like to give my thoughts on some of the topics you addressed, as well as giving some possible critiques of my own.
1. I always took that line about creating another Flashpoint to mean that Barry would be changing the future Nora was living in, thus creating a Flashpoint for *her*, not for *him*.
2. Jay Garrick and Joan Williams are the doppelgangers of Barry's parents, but their doppelgangers are dead, so they can exist on Earth Prime. Same reason that John Henry Irons can exist on Earth Prime now. His doppelganger is dead.
3. To me, the reason that Barry talked Abra Kadabra down was because he knew that he couldn't beat Abra in a straight fight. So to me, the talk makes sense. I don't have an explanation for the Eva or Force talks though.
4. Definitely agree with your idea to have introduced Alexa earlier and treat her powers like an addiction. Could definitely have made her a more interesting and compelling character, and could lead to the Speed Force turning. Very good idea.
And now, for my own seasonal critiques.
I think that the order the seasons were done in was a massive issue. Imagine if the arcs were moved around to have Godspeed be the leadin to the Force Quest arc. Suddenly, the stakes seem a lot higher because the Force arc threatens to destroy the world. Plus, now we can build up Alexa Rivera for a lot longer during the Godspeed arc than we could've during the Force Arc.
I actually really like that the writers split up Caitlin and Frost. It was pretty clear that they were building towards her getting a plotline about her learning to live her life. And in theory, Frost getting a love interest actually aligns with that potential plotline really well. I just think they dropped the ball big time by making Chillblaine the most *unbearable* character the show's introduced in a while.
Allegra needs to either die, or be written off. Fuck this character. She wasn't thst bad during season 6, but now she's a main member of Team Flash? Dude, nobody likes this character!
The fact that they killed Nash Wells was dumb and unnecessary. I understand that Tom wanted to leave the show, but he could've left without them killing his character. AND it would get Allegra off the show too since they could be written off together.
And that's really all the major stuff I can think to talk about. Still curious about your opinion on Stargirl, plus I did have some good points in favor of Flash season 6 on your "Character Case" video (which was really well done by the way).
considering how popular the show is the cgi is honestly the worst i’ve seen this century
Yeah explain to me how the quality in CGI has dropped as the season goes on.
@@GIGio_Official super girl level cgi
It looks good enough
@@htownklown85 it really doesn’t considering how each episode cost 2.5-3 million dollars to make
You are right, Allegra is very hot. Also so wasted. That actress needs better writing so she can really shine.
Hopefully that could come in season 8
@@GIGio_Official Probably not, my guy. The Flash desperately needs to ditch Eric Wallace and bring in somebody better, lower the episode count to thirteen, drop unnecessary or boring characters (Caitlin / Frost needs to go ASAP), adapt actually good storylines and villains (just do Rogues for real this time and recast the core members), and stop fucking around with time travel or Eobard Thawne.
I remember starting season 7 and getting excited to see the forces introduced for them to just do absolutely nothing with those characters and for them to immediately not matter after the season was done until they needed the powers to come back.