Mike I like to thank you it was because of your videos I watched,that I told you about that truck I sold to a friend and He paid about $2,300 and it ran like crapp,And the shop said it ran great,well finished up install today ran like a champ,I told him I think I'm more happier then he is,and he said "No way" the truck is a 1990 4x4 Ford F-350 crewcab dually 7.3 IDI diesel Bank's turbo system.But once again Mike THANK YOU
Mike Grn And can you believe the same mechanic told my friend John the One who bought it from,He he wanted to work on it again, I told my friend like he didn't get enough of our money
Mike Grn Ed barely smoked white on start up I just told my friend that those of the glow plugs and I have them on order, glow plugs and relay, and that truck runs thing runs like a Bat out of h***
I've been using a Mr Gasket fuel pump for 23 months so far on my IDI. It was already on my truck when I got it. I have a $5 small engine fuel filter in line between the tank and pump and replace the filter as needed. It is clear so I can see its condition. It catches trash so it saves the pump. It has been up as high as 10k feet in Colorado and down to sea level in Washington state.
Mike, I think the reason you and others have burned them up is because of that tiny metal fuel filter that comes with them. Trash that. Put a separate clear filter inline before the pump. The pump will last a lot longer. I kind of suspect the mfgr knows that. Either planned obsolescence, or they just don't care...
put glow plugs and new controller on mine, still have hard starting issues. hopefully this will help me out. 1990 e350 ambulance van. gotta figure out where to mount it though, its pretty cramped in there.
Old guys say frame mount it because heat. I'm running push locks on 40222 with block off plate and rear tank removed(4" lift on baha tread and 4.10 so no need for long mileage). Had to solder front sender wires to selector plug wires for dash guage. I want to replace send and return hoses for tank. Know inner diameter? I'm on the road and going to do it when I get home; also best hose to use I hear there are shielded options?
thanks again for the help. I have a 5spd transmission. I live in NV and it's -4 outside .the fuel system I fabbed up ,facet pump and Napa fuel hose...who makes the best block heater?this is going to be a daily driver 4x4 all parts have to be reliable and easy to source via Internet
Did you use the tank pumps as well or eliminate use. 1990 f350, replacing both tanks and components, will be trying this set up utilizing oem switch over valve for both. Let me know. Thanks.
WOW this video is 4 years old and you never know who is inspired by them years later. I recently bought a 94 F250 IDI turbo. Thr truck runs great all stock...except several times under heavy acceleration the truck just stops. Like it ran out of fuel. It starts right back up but I'm wondering if the mechanical fuel pump can't keep with the demand...and that's what's happening. It has never had any starting problem ever....I live in a warm climate (Florida) Just wondering is this a common problem with these engines. Other than that it runs awesome. Your feedback? Thanks.
Sounds like a sticking metering valve or potentially a restriction. If you have no other symptoms I'd try a heavy fuel cleaner dose and a fresh fuel filter.
A plain barb won't be able to distinguish between the 2 tanks. The selector switches both the feed and the return. I did see a guy replace it with a simple manual ball valve setup
You should make a video covering the selector valve and how to delete it, I want to get rid of mine but I’m unsure what to do about the fuel gauge? I read online that the orange wire is for the gauge and you can just jump it to the sending unit on whatever tank you want to use but I would like some more knowledgeable advice before I start cutting into random wires on my truck
AC, heater... can I just cut and plug the ones I don't need...I'm very already pulled the AC unit and heater blower out of engine bay . Also what is the purpose of the coffee can on driver's side inner fender
the coffee can thing is a vacuum canister. I believe you can plug some of that you mentioned just be careful you don't cut anything for your brakes or if you have a c6 the transmission vacuum controls
Can you use the fuel filter as a coolant filter ? I have a 6.9 housing (no heater) that I'm running on my 7.3. I'm going to put my original heater housing back on. Can I repurpose the 6.9 fuel filter housing and filter as a coolant filter?
I've seen other videos installing an electric fuel pump on these and I'm about to do it to an 86 E350 6.9. Others have used an inline fuse and relay to wire in a pump, does it not require that to work? Also, do you run wvo or wmo at all?
@@groundtogreen1140 my front tank runs wvo on an airtex electric pump (how it came from the last owner) and apparently it's been that way for a while. Still running through everything. Running all new fuel lines tomorrow and dropping the front tank to see what it looks like, to see if I'm going to keep the setup but so far I'm leaning towards it. Unless I run into a mess of polymerization in the tank.
@@brendonmasters I have a facet pump hooked up to the new fuel lines that come from 2 brass valves tank selectors join the floor. I ran power from the original hot wire from the tank selector valve since I am no longer using the factory set up. I put a 3 amp fuse in line from the hot wire to the pump as per facet recommendations. Time will tell if it last. I've heard some people wound up switching to a scavenger type pump and they get a longer life out of them.
Hey Mike I have a 1993 7.3 idi just put a banks sidewinder turbo kit on it.. i used the block off plate you suggested to delete the mechanical pump worked great... bought the 9 to 11 psi facet pump have it mounted where yours is..spliced and plump the line right before the sector valve..my fuel filter light keeps coming on at speed above 50..and on hard acceleration.... any suggestions on what I'm dong wrong? Its like its not getting enough fuel from pump...but it should be sense factory is rated for 4 to 7 and this one is 9 to 11?
have you dropped the fuel tank on your diesel truck?? does the sending unit have a filter on it? my e-350 van is sucking air from the manual fuel pump back to the tank.
@@groundtogreen1140 yea my E-350 box has a big steel fuel tank and the sending unit is different than the pickups.I can't find a new sending for it but the pickups you can. I have seen 2 used sending units on ebay out of a van but they have no sock on them at all. nice videos and thanks for the reply.
I just got my facet in the mail. Could I run the 12 volts from my power relay? You said your getting your 12 volts from your glowplug controller? Also am I gonna wanna run a new fuel line directly from my tank to the fuel pump?
Yes but recommend an inline fuse my controller already has a fuse for that system that's why I piggy backed there.You can run a new line if so desired or tie into current fuel lines.
Just so yall know the mechanical pump bolts are too long to seal off the block off plates need shorter bolts or 2 washers earch..dont be like me and spill a quart of oil after you think your done
Hey there Mike, First off your videos are my go to troubleshooting and motivation source, Im having some issue's with my 89 7.3 Idi, recently it started running rough after start then settling down to its typical rattle and purr, however it stalled yesterday morning after getting stuck in some aggravating slow traffic, I got it started again and it ran well enough, so I could make another stop at graingers, then back to my yard. Typically the truck starts and runs fine with under 60K miles on it, I keep up with occasional fuel related problems including recent leak at the h2o? sensor on the stock fuel filter housing which I just plugged up as it was never hooked up I recently got the TSV and return lines sorted so that im back to using 2 tanks which really extends my travel distance, Im considering replacing the mechanical pump with what you did but my question is how long do OEM injectors last? Im planning on replacing 2 bad GP's here shortly but in Florida so its not as crucial.
@@jadinzack9271 All air intrusion issues since that post ive made 6 trips from Florida to Arkansas and back. I just picked up an 86 6.9 IDI c6 no rust other then the redick price for deisel I love these old trucks.
Did it solve your air intrusion problems? I have a 6.9 idi that I have created my own headaches with... I wondered if this will pretty much overcome anything caused by air intrusion.
No I actually had to plug the return line from my filter housing going to my caps and that pretty much eliminated my final issues. The facet pump has its own check valve so it was creating a leak down effect it might have just been a weak spring in the check valve in my filter housing I don't know but yeah that's what I had to do
Would it solve the return start & engine start issues I've been havin with mine? Mine acts like it has a drain in the return lines somewhere & I'll have to crank it to get fuel back through the system for it to start when cold
I didn't no but never ran much past a stock fuel setup. Biggest concern is controlling the wiring had a friend have 2 pumps vibrate the wiring loose from the inside connection but took years to do so
I sold the 85 and the new owner upgraded to the higher flowing facet due to the larger IP I put on. But the one I put on my 94 I put on near the same time as this video is still working without a hiccup
Still have same pump in the truck ? Or did it burn up ? Forums say mount by fuel tank but all the videos everyone makes are mounted in engine by fuel filter
well a few reasons actually imo 1. the electric pump can prime without cranking the truck which can make post fuel system work easier 2. it eliminates a mech pump fuel diaphragm rupture. Not super common but has happened. 3. this particular pump has a pre screen which can extend filter life. It pulls a lot of the larger debris outta the fuel system and finally you can add one soley as a prime/backup pump wiring it on a switch so you have the best of both worlds.
Mike Grn thanks Mike , I just got me 94 idi and chasing all the air leaks :) and it have manny :) someone added 3 stage fuel filtering already, so I got racor 30micron water separates , then 20micron big screw type and 6 micron original filter , I’m replacing all the lines for clear ones and I guess I will add epump just on momentary switch for priming , thank you. U got good vids about the 7.3
Hello, I added the Facet Electric fuel pump and can not get it to even turn on ... the pump is ran to the battery with the red wire and to the frame with the black wire.. I have a cut off switch half way down on the red wire. I can not get it to come on at all.. Not I had another facet pump that worked for only a few days... hooked it up the same way but the pump somehow stops working for no reason a day later... Just will not come on a day or two later... Any help would be great
I would double check all your connections clean your ground up maybe even see if you can get it to turn on just directly to the battery temporarily to see if it's even getting power. I have heard in recent years that quality of these pumps wasn't what it used to be I haven't had any issues like that I'm just going off of what others have told me. if it's still fairly new pump that should be covered under warranty but I completely get the hassle of having to go through all that
Your videos are a huge help for me. I I have a 85 6.9 and 91 7.3 that wouldn't be running with out your videos
Dude I seriously love your videos. Very informative. Really helps me get to know my truck better.
Mike I like to thank you it was because of your videos I watched,that I told you about that truck I sold to a friend and He paid about $2,300 and it ran like crapp,And the shop said it ran great,well finished up install today ran like a champ,I told him I think I'm more happier then he is,and he said "No way" the truck is a 1990 4x4 Ford F-350 crewcab dually 7.3 IDI diesel Bank's turbo system.But once again Mike THANK YOU
Roman Vasquez that's wonderful to hear man God bless
Mike Grn And can you believe the same mechanic told my friend John the One who bought it from,He he wanted to work on it again, I told my friend like he didn't get enough of our money
Mike Grn Ed barely smoked white on start up I just told my friend that those of the glow plugs and I have them on order, glow plugs and relay, and that truck runs thing runs like a Bat out of h***
I've been using a Mr Gasket fuel pump for 23 months so far on my IDI. It was already on my truck when I got it. I have a $5 small engine fuel filter in line between the tank and pump and replace the filter as needed. It is clear so I can see its condition. It catches trash so it saves the pump. It has been up as high as 10k feet in Colorado and down to sea level in Washington state.
been hit and miss on em I burned one up in a short period of time so not going through that mess again.
Mike, I think the reason you and others have burned them up is because of that tiny metal fuel filter that comes with them. Trash that. Put a separate clear filter inline before the pump. The pump will last a lot longer.
I kind of suspect the mfgr knows that. Either planned obsolescence, or they just don't care...
@@selador11I highly agree with you on that one
put glow plugs and new controller on mine, still have hard starting issues. hopefully this will help me out. 1990 e350 ambulance van. gotta figure out where to mount it though, its pretty cramped in there.
Old guys say frame mount it because heat. I'm running push locks on 40222 with block off plate and rear tank removed(4" lift on baha tread and 4.10 so no need for long mileage). Had to solder front sender wires to selector plug wires for dash guage. I want to replace send and return hoses for tank. Know inner diameter? I'm on the road and going to do it when I get home; also best hose to use I hear there are shielded options?
your vids have been so much help my truck is the same 87 6.9 ats turbo, what vacuum line are nessary and what ones can i delete
what vacuum lines are you talking about
thanks again for the help. I have a 5spd transmission. I live in NV and it's -4 outside .the fuel system I fabbed up ,facet pump and Napa fuel hose...who makes the best block heater?this is going to be a daily driver 4x4 all parts have to be reliable and easy to source via Internet
I haven't really come across a preference for best but I use oreillys in my area they have a liftime warranty
Did you use the tank pumps as well or eliminate use. 1990 f350, replacing both tanks and components, will be trying this set up utilizing oem switch over valve for both. Let me know. Thanks.
James Orbin IDIs didn't have in tank pumps
Mike Grn just a draw from mechanical pump. I only ask because I haven't opened up sardine cans yet
I noticed that your positive battery cables on the passenger side were modified from factory? Did your oem connector fail like mine is about to?
tnmike55 yea po did that but mine wouldn't tighten up on my other truck so I did the same thing
WOW this video is 4 years old and you never know who is inspired by them years later. I recently bought a 94 F250 IDI turbo. Thr truck runs great all stock...except several times under heavy acceleration the truck just stops. Like it ran out of fuel. It starts right back up but I'm wondering if the mechanical fuel pump can't keep with the demand...and that's what's happening. It has never had any starting problem ever....I live in a warm climate (Florida) Just wondering is this a common problem with these engines. Other than that it runs awesome. Your feedback? Thanks.
Sounds like a sticking metering valve or potentially a restriction. If you have no other symptoms I'd try a heavy fuel cleaner dose and a fresh fuel filter.
What kind of fitting do I need to get for afo2222 to fit a 6.9idi
What's the internals on my 89 7.3 idi selector valve? Can I just run directly to front tank with barb connector in place of selector with your setup?
A plain barb won't be able to distinguish between the 2 tanks. The selector switches both the feed and the return. I did see a guy replace it with a simple manual ball valve setup
Awesome
You should make a video covering the selector valve and how to delete it, I want to get rid of mine but I’m unsure what to do about the fuel gauge? I read online that the orange wire is for the gauge and you can just jump it to the sending unit on whatever tank you want to use but I would like some more knowledgeable advice before I start cutting into random wires on my truck
Did you fuse the wire to the pump off the glow plug relay?
tnmike55 no I crimped and heat shrunk a ring terminal and just slid it over the key on post on relay
AC, heater... can I just cut and plug the ones I don't need...I'm very already pulled the AC unit and heater blower out of engine bay .
Also what is the purpose of the coffee can on driver's side inner fender
the coffee can thing is a vacuum canister. I believe you can plug some of that you mentioned just be careful you don't cut anything for your brakes or if you have a c6 the transmission vacuum controls
For coffee storage 🤣🤣🤣
Can you use the fuel filter as a coolant filter ? I have a 6.9 housing (no heater) that I'm running on my 7.3. I'm going to put my original heater housing back on. Can I repurpose the 6.9 fuel filter housing and filter as a coolant filter?
too much restriction. Maybe you could use head itself and run a bypass setup but would need a compatible coolant rated filter
Il get the whole setup for coolant. Thank you.
I've seen other videos installing an electric fuel pump on these and I'm about to do it to an 86 E350 6.9. Others have used an inline fuse and relay to wire in a pump, does it not require that to work? Also, do you run wvo or wmo at all?
no wvo and wmo will kill electric pumps. I tied mine into the gp relay which already is on a fuse for my 94
@@groundtogreen1140 my front tank runs wvo on an airtex electric pump (how it came from the last owner) and apparently it's been that way for a while. Still running through everything. Running all new fuel lines tomorrow and dropping the front tank to see what it looks like, to see if I'm going to keep the setup but so far I'm leaning towards it. Unless I run into a mess of polymerization in the tank.
@@Grunt-force-trauma well thats good maybe thats a better brand pump I just know others that had wmo/wvo issues in the past.
@@Grunt-force-trauma hey I am on the same path as you with my 85 6.9
Can I ask you how your journey went? I have a plant drive set up
@@brendonmasters I have a facet pump hooked up to the new fuel lines that come from 2 brass valves tank selectors join the floor. I ran power from the original hot wire from the tank selector valve since I am no longer using the factory set up. I put a 3 amp fuse in line from the hot wire to the pump as per facet recommendations. Time will tell if it last. I've heard some people wound up switching to a scavenger type pump and they get a longer life out of them.
Hey Mike I have a 1993 7.3 idi just put a banks sidewinder turbo kit on it.. i used the block off plate you suggested to delete the mechanical pump worked great... bought the 9 to 11 psi facet pump have it mounted where yours is..spliced and plump the line right before the sector valve..my fuel filter light keeps coming on at speed above 50..and on hard acceleration.... any suggestions on what I'm dong wrong? Its like its not getting enough fuel from pump...but it should be sense factory is rated for 4 to 7 and this one is 9 to 11?
When is the last time you changed the filter ?
Maybe 30 thousand miles ago think thats it?
@@incrediblehoke5765 yea it's due I'd try that and see if the light goes away
Im having the same problem and acts like starves at times could it be bad fuel pump?
have you dropped the fuel tank on your diesel truck?? does the sending unit have a filter on it? my e-350 van is sucking air from the manual fuel pump back to the tank.
It's got more of a screen than an actual filter. It can break apart after years
@@groundtogreen1140 yea my E-350 box has a big steel fuel tank and the sending unit is different than the pickups.I can't find a new sending for it but the pickups you can. I have seen 2 used sending units on ebay out of a van but they have no sock on them at all. nice videos and thanks for the reply.
I just got my facet in the mail. Could I run the 12 volts from my power relay? You said your getting your 12 volts from your glowplug controller? Also am I gonna wanna run a new fuel line directly from my tank to the fuel pump?
Yes but recommend an inline fuse my controller already has a fuse for that system that's why I piggy backed there.You can run a new line if so desired or tie into current fuel lines.
Just so yall know the mechanical pump bolts are too long to seal off the block off plates need shorter bolts or 2 washers earch..dont be like me and spill a quart of oil after you think your done
Was wondering where yo got our aftermarket glow plug controler
It's oem off a 7.3
Are you using the front or rear tank mike?
currently on the 85 only the front tank the fsv And rear tank have been removed
Hey there Mike, First off your videos are my go to troubleshooting and motivation source, Im having some issue's with my 89 7.3 Idi, recently it started running rough after start then settling down to its typical rattle and purr, however it stalled yesterday morning after getting stuck in some aggravating slow traffic, I got it started again and it ran well enough, so I could make another stop at graingers, then back to my yard. Typically the truck starts and runs fine with under 60K miles on it, I keep up with occasional fuel related problems including recent leak at the h2o? sensor on the stock fuel filter housing which I just plugged up as it was never hooked up I recently got the TSV and return lines sorted so that im back to using 2 tanks which really extends my travel distance, Im considering replacing the mechanical pump with what you did but my question is how long do OEM injectors last? Im planning on replacing 2 bad GP's here shortly but in Florida so its not as crucial.
Did you figure out your issues?
@@jadinzack9271 All air intrusion issues since that post ive made 6 trips from Florida to Arkansas and back. I just picked up an 86 6.9 IDI c6 no rust other then the redick price for deisel I love these old trucks.
where did you get your push lock fittings??
I got em from a local hydraulic supply shop
Did it solve your air intrusion problems? I have a 6.9 idi that I have created my own headaches with... I wondered if this will pretty much overcome anything caused by air intrusion.
No I actually had to plug the return line from my filter housing going to my caps and that pretty much eliminated my final issues. The facet pump has its own check valve so it was creating a leak down effect it might have just been a weak spring in the check valve in my filter housing I don't know but yeah that's what I had to do
Would it solve the return start & engine start issues I've been havin with mine? Mine acts like it has a drain in the return lines somewhere & I'll have to crank it to get fuel back through the system for it to start when cold
@@The73idigarage you might want to replace those return lines and caps
hi Mike would you make a video of you installing this set up step by step on a 7.3 in the future? thanks
Me Wolf yea Ill try to remember that if I get another one going soon
You have the 7.3 install video yet?
James Orbin not yet been so busy lately it's not even funny this is my busy season too everyone is buying parts
Mike Grn getter done!
So we run a line from the facet pump directly to the line that’s on the tank to the mechanical fuel pump , & where do we put the Block off ?
Fuel line from tank comes up by lift pump and the block off replaces the factory lift pump
@@groundtogreen1140 so I cant use this set up using both tanks only one ?
@@GetOffMusic no you can
Do I have to remove the old pump or can I just unhook the feedline and then run an electric pump
I'd advise installing a cheap little block off plate but I know some have just left the pump in
Kyle Smith, any big block ford, Chevy block off plate will work. They sue the same pump on all these old engines.
So you never have any problems with fuel demand with that pump at all? Is there anything to be worried about while using this set up?
I didn't no but never ran much past a stock fuel setup. Biggest concern is controlling the wiring had a friend have 2 pumps vibrate the wiring loose from the inside connection but took years to do so
@@groundtogreen1140 10 4 I appreciate it man. I already ordered the pump. Was that loose connection an easy fix or was it shot after that?
@@sebastianlightell8864 I think one he repaired one he couldn't
So all you really have to do is get power to the pump and tie into the fuel line? Is it just constantly trying to see diesel into the engine?
for the most part yes and its feeding the injection pump which doesn't need a very high inlet pressure to operate
Mike Green which stud on the glow plug solenoid do I need to hook up to for key on power
Hi there, is the pump still working flawlessly?
I sold the 85 and the new owner upgraded to the higher flowing facet due to the larger IP I put on. But the one I put on my 94 I put on near the same time as this video is still working without a hiccup
Why the high pressure fuel line? Wouldn't regular fuel line eork?
tnmike55 the diesel safe line I Have found comes standard as high pressure. In addition it's more rigid and less likely to collapse on itself
Still have same pump in the truck ? Or did it burn up ? Forums say mount by fuel tank but all the videos everyone makes are mounted in engine by fuel filter
That truck I should but still have same pump in my 94
@@groundtogreen1140
So it's lasted several years mounted in engine ?
@@jbhill7728 correct
@@groundtogreen1140
Thanks will be doing this very soon
i got a 94 f350 wont start when get hot and cut it off and waint about 15 or 30 min wont start back
Wedley Dial that’s injection pump
So why its electric pump better then the original mechanical one ?
well a few reasons actually imo
1. the electric pump can prime without cranking the truck which can make post fuel system work easier
2. it eliminates a mech pump fuel diaphragm rupture. Not super common but has happened.
3. this particular pump has a pre screen which can extend filter life. It pulls a lot of the larger debris outta the fuel system
and finally you can add one soley as a prime/backup pump wiring it on a switch so you have the best of both worlds.
Mike Grn thanks Mike , I just got me 94 idi and chasing all the air leaks :) and it have manny :) someone added 3 stage fuel filtering already, so I got racor 30micron water separates , then 20micron big screw type and 6 micron original filter , I’m replacing all the lines for clear ones and I guess I will add epump just on momentary switch for priming , thank you. U got good vids about the 7.3
Does the pump run when the engine runs?
yes
Is there a reason not to wire the efp into the ip solenoid switch ?
I chose the gp relay just because its already setup into an inline fuse on my truck
Hello, I added the Facet Electric fuel pump and can not get it to even turn on ... the pump is ran to the battery with the red wire and to the frame with the black wire.. I have a cut off switch half way down on the red wire. I can not get it to come on at all.. Not I had another facet pump that worked for only a few days... hooked it up the same way but the pump somehow stops working for no reason a day later... Just will not come on a day or two later... Any help would be great
I would double check all your connections clean your ground up maybe even see if you can get it to turn on just directly to the battery temporarily to see if it's even getting power. I have heard in recent years that quality of these pumps wasn't what it used to be I haven't had any issues like that I'm just going off of what others have told me. if it's still fairly new pump that should be covered under warranty but I completely get the hassle of having to go through all that
what a mess you have... 277k on mine with no mods, runs perfect... maintained with ford parts and fluids.
I don't believe you. 277k you've done plenty of work to it I promise.
This is real painful to watch! No planning and the the narration is all over the place!