You Don't Need a Full-Sized Router! (Try This Instead...)
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You Don't Need a Full-Sized Router! (Try This Instead...)
Palm routers, otherwise known as Trim Routers and Laminate Routers, are a great alternative to full-sized routers.
Full-sized wood routers tend to be heavy (approx. 10 lbs), and can be a little harder to handle and manipulate.
Palm routers (trim routers, laminate routers) are half that weight, but still put out 6 to 9 amps. Very powerful for a small tool!
Palm routers fit very ergonomically in one hand, and are often easier to handle. They're great for dressing the edges of boards, and cutting narrow slots and grooves. They also adjust very quickly, which is an improvement over their larger counterparts.
Palm routers also tend to be more affordable...with many budget models below $70!
If you're not doing a lot of heavy shaping, a palm router (trim router, laminate router) may be a better value for you.
Thanks for watching!
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As maintenance carpenter for 42 years at a university, I used a trimmer ( router ) ten times more than full size. Especially with laminates, veneers, rounding and dressing edges👍
Yep, they really excel at that stuff, Gill!
Its the bees knees for edge profiling🙏
That's why they call them trim routers or palm routers.
For me, I grab my 2.25hp, and my router table with another 2.25hp at least 2x as much as a trim router.
It's faster for me to run 1/2 dados on my festool along the track than even using the table saw. My trim router sits there waiting, watching my of-1400 put in work, waiting to trim the edge of something for about 10 minutes before beginning the finishing process. If it tries much more, the hardwoods laugh @ it.
,,,my dad used one 60+ yrs ago, he was a cabinet maker. I believe my son now has it...
soo not a real job then. just government funded and you can be terrible as you want
Also, don’t forget the palm router may be better for ladies whom may have smaller hands. Like me. I’m reading the comments and I’m convinced this is the way to go! Thanks!
Absolutely right, it does 90% of all I need. I mounted my big 3 hp router permanently in my router table. Haven’t used it freehand in years. The best thing I ever did, though, was to trade my corded palm router for cordless. FREEDOM!!
i've got one of those green cordless, and it's pretty great, but i'm really thinking about getting a yellow corded.
Same here, but I rarely use anything but my table mounted one. Poor man's shaper.
I'll note that DeWalt makes a plunge base that fits both the corded and cordless trim routers they sell. It's model DNP612.
3x3 Custom also sells an advanced trim router plate kit that can do multiple tasks like edge guides and circle cutting, and Katz-Moses tools has a compact router table that the kit works with and you can buy as a combo.
Even Dremel sell a plunge router base...
Good timing for this video, I have been looking into my first router to add to my shop and this makes so much sense. Thank you!
Once again you're spot on the money. A trim router is an easy tool to use and quite useful. The kind of tasks you want to do on a full size router is often going to come down to some kind of support / jig / table , etc. So it's not typically the kind of tool you pick up and free hand. So the learning curve imho is one of the biggest in the shop.
Thanks for another helpful and empowering video, Ethan. I’m a one-handed woodworker so I’ve only used palm routers, but I’ve always wondered if I was missing something not being able to manage a full-size router. I do pretty simple stuff and this video confirmed that the router I have (Milwaukee M18 Compact Router) is all I need. Thank you.
Thanks. Been looking at a new router and your recommendations is spot on!
I bought a craftsman router in the 1970’s. I still have it but rarely use it because it is hard to handle. Thanks for bringing up the topic of the pup routers. Might get one if I really ever have a need.
I agree Ethan. I had a larger router and rarely used it. I got a battery powered palm router and use it all the time. It is much easier. Thanks.
Great tips for us beginner’s thanks for sharing
Excellent subject spoken of. I have both a palm and full size router, like you I reach for the palm router more so for the examples you explained in this video. Even though my full size router is mounted in my router, it's so much easier and faster to grab the palm router versus puling out and setting up the table mounted full size router. Great video, keep them coming.
I use my trim routers almost daily in the shop, but I do have a full size router on my router table. It’s an absolute workhorse in the router table. It’s all about using the right tool for the job.
Sir, I've learned so much from you, I love your channel!!
Spot on - I use the trim router for 90% of my work, and only bring out the daddy router when I need to use my router table. Trim routers are definitely easier and safer for some situations where a full sized router would be too hard to control.
Thanks for another great video with important details.
A good video! One thing to note to folks is that square bases are far too prevalent in palm routers. People seem to not be aware that a round base is tremendously better for a base, as it is not sensitive to small shifts when, for example, following a guide rail when cutting a rabbet. Using a flat edge, even the smallest accidental shift on a square base will move the bit further from the rail, while with a round base you can spin it and the distance never changes. I'm kind of amazed that the basic Bosch Colt has a square base!
YES! The flat sides on bases are making their way into full-sized routers, too. They're very unforgiving and (in my opinion, pointless). The Thoughtful Woodworker (Willy Sandry or Fine Woodworking fame) did a video on this over the weekend: czcams.com/video/A3dEw_-NFRo/video.htmlsi=7BIkEL9axJm3i29E
@@WorkshopGregI fully agree, I just wanted to call out the honor of you calling the square base "pointless".
Edit: dammit autocorrect, we *both* know that was supposed to be "humor."
If you get yourself a centering cone and properly center up the base plate. Unfortunately I think there's a lot of people out there using round based routers and not realizing the distance can shift a little as you rotate it
Here's the rub with all that.
Routers aren't perfectly centered on thier bases. So turning 90 degrees can totally change your cut along a straight edge.
Many pros will actually tell you to make sure your router has 1 flat side to use as a reference along a straight edge for perfect repeatability.
My festool even slots onto the track to remove anyone's quarrels. Literally can't mess that up unless you try.
This is also why you need a centering tool when installing a collet.
Truly great video, and 100% true. I have not used my fill size router in years. Ever since makita released their brushless palm router with added plung base. I find the full size router over kill. The right tool for the right job. It is like using a fullsize hammer drill to assemble cabinet when a compact impact or assembly drill does the job.
I think a bonus to this is to a get battery powered brushless one. So powerful and with the battery you just grab it and use it to round those edges. No need to fuss with the wires, that are specially annoying when using a router
Yep.. Started off as a carpenter for 10 years with only the larger Bosch router but about 5 years ago, I got the palm router about and sooooo much more convenient. In addition, the larger router can be a lot to handle when you are first starting out. The smaller one enables confidence and skill at the same time.
So true buddy ,I have an 18 volt trimmer and it's great ,love the smooth running and variable speed, my full size router hardly gets used.
I’ve recently started using my wood working tools again. (Cancer patient) diagnosed me into retirement. I’m using a table saw, chop saw, 10” planer and now I’m ready to break out my router… I’m going to build a table for it and yes… it’s full size. Thanks for sharing your experience and thoughts. I’m ready to start making saw dust
Same with me...Bone Cancer.MM,,made myself a Chainsaw Mill , Milled a 6 ft log into live edge slabs now gettin a Palm Router to make signs during the Winter. Good Video.. and Good luck to you and your Treatment Sir ! Cheers from Canada
Welcome back to it guys. Glad to hear you all aren’t letting it keep you down!
Salute gentlemen. Best of wishes. Don't let life keep you from sawing to your hearts content!
Broke my back last year in a freeway roll incident. Honestly feel lucky to be here. And even more lucky that I can still walk, carry wood, and do my thing!
I'm currently working on innovating my finishing process. I'm using Mixol brand pigments/dye or whatever. It's coming along well. I've been using it in a custom oil mix: 2- parts d-limonene, 1 part pure tung, 1 part raw linseed. I then put a dash of 99% isopropyl to initiate pigment mix, then add oil, shooting for 2/3 oil mix. Then I do a seal coat of shellac mixed with pigment too. (My shellac uses 99% isopropyl, because california) though it is healthier.
I like the process so far, but I'm wanting to remove the oil from the equation. I'm worried about glue adhesion on pre oiled pieces. I'm looking to combine different finishes in a single product.
I wouldn't say it's cheap. But this is some fun tinkering that has elevated my work and overall knowledge in an area I've always felt behind on.
God bless you gentlemen putting up the good fight.
I love the freedom of the cordless palm router but i found the extra battery weight sometimes cumbersome, but moist of the time i can live with it. Great video.
So good to watch!
I bought a big one and it’s never been used other than trying it out! A trim router is so much easier and does everything and more that I need! I wish I knew before I ‘wasted’ £150 on my biggie.
Bob
England
Good timing! Just what I was looking for!
I'm fairly new to woodworking...and if you watch all the different woodworking channels here on CZcams they usually say to get the bigger router in the beginning.
That said I own a palm and a 2hp one and I have used the bigger one the last 8 months less then I have fingers on one hand....I use the palm router constantly.
I couldn't agree more with your advice.
Thanks for vid! 😊
I have the DeWalt full size, adjustable speed router kit, with plunge base and D-handle base. I used the plunge base for a few projects when I first bought the kit. I still have it, but now have the 20V cordless with fixed and plunge bases. The fixed base has a dial for simple, fast depth adjustments. For repeating cuts, the plunge base is the bees knees. The new powerstack batteries really lighten up the unit, and the 5ah powerstack really turns it into an all day affair, or for a little extra umph when dealing with hardwoods. I'm only holding on to the full size router motor for a New Yankee Workshop style router table in the future.
Thanks again for the great and honest content!
Bought the fat lip belt and stronghold suspenders on your recommendation. Thanks again I’ve been wearing it for a little over a month daily it’s great!
I was thinking about getting a palm router for my hobby work, but I came across a router attachment for my father's old Dremel rotary tool. It was a plunge router attachment that fits most Dremel models. I bought it for around $30 a few years ago and it has allowed me to do everything I was needing a router for. It isn't as powerful as a normal palm router, but it is a very convenient attachment for a tool I already had as a beginner. I've also had a good experience with Dremel's router table attachment as well. Just sharing some of my experience as a beginner.
you hit the nail on the head with two points: pre-milled lumber and modern, simple joinery. If you (like me) mill your own rough lumber and work with a lot of hard wood stock, a full sized router is essential for many projects, as it a router table. In fact, I've recently stepped up to a shaper/moulder and can now machine my own trim stock, flooring, nosings, window and door frames, etc.
Glad to hear that. I've left the full size on router table and the palm size for ALMOST everything else.😮
For years, I used a corded sear craftsman Industrial laminate router...after 30+ years it did its best impression of an Ace Frehley guitar solo...I replaced it with an M18 Milwaukee. The #1 bit I use, is a 1/4" roundover bit to ease edges...I've made various base plates for it to do specific purposes. And I still have my Sears industrial 1/2" 15 amp plunge router for heavier work...but its seldom used for field work.
I bought a Makita set that came with a plunge base, standard base, offset base, parallel guide, and a few other things i forget plus a nice bag that holds all of it. It even works with my track saw rails. It does everything i need so far and more!
Thank you. Great info. My jobs are DIY around my property so the handheld will be fine for me. Less scary, too, for this old lady.
Thank you sir, I just bought a palm router (rigid brushless) I'm new to using the tool but found it easy to handle and look forward to learning how to use it and gain more understanding on all the bits and how they can make projects better. Really enjoy your channel and wish I had you as a mentor for a few weeks couldn't imagine how much better you could make me. 😂
Thanks for posting this. I had recently bought a Ryobi cordless router and tried using it. I'm usually good with all power tools, but this didn't go well. Maybe I'll reconsider giving it away and practice some more. I'd like to use it to add a bullnose edge to 1x4's to make new window sills for my whole house. Pre-made ones are really expensive.
And the cordless ones are so handy. With a 1/4' roundover bit, it dresses cuts up like you care...!
Even experienced woodworkers used (well, I do) a trim router if I can. Trim routers have far more power than they ever had and make life SO easy.
I always use my 18V Makita DRT50 palm router. I dont worry for fingers as they include a dust adapter which also acts as a cover. Its a plexi, so I see whats happening without fear of shortening my fingers. Also, it have a collar for 6 and 8mm bits, but Ive bought a set of 6mm Bosch bits on sale, so 8 doesnt see much use. I agree that it can replace bigger router till you know youll need extra passes. For T groove its better to cut into depth with straight bit, then use T bit, so you dont smoke your router motor. Makita also sell loads of bases from on the angle to one you see on full size routers.
Right on man....thanks! I recently bought a Ridgid palm router with a 1/4 in sheet sander, both corded but both brushless motors, for a total price of like $99. It was an online deal and comes with their lifetime service agreement!! I've seen so many vids of people saying "Skip the palm routers and go for the full sized, plunging routers." and as a beginner, that didn't really resonate with me. I'm not going to be doing a lot of router work, more like what you said, rounding off edges and corners and maybe some sign making, detail work. So the smaller router really appealed to me.
Now I just gotta get some bits and make some saw dust.
Some of those bits in your vid looked like the "KOWOOD Router Bits" I found on Amazon. They have a 35 bit set for only $53 but I'm not sure if that's even a good brand or not. Do you have any thoughts on that? Do you "get what you pay for" in bits or are they all pretty good these days?
thanks again!
EDIT - DOH just noticed in your description, you're linking to the Kowood bits. haha
Great info as usual...thanks!
Thanks very much for the advice Ethan. One more thing you might have mentioned was not needing to remove your full size router from the router table. That's one thing that keeps me from using my router as often as I would like to. I wasn't trying to criticize, it's just something you might have mentioned. However, after your video I think I may just buy a palm router. Thanks again. 😊😊😊
With the small base of the palm router, there are many after-market /DIY plates you can make out of perspex, aluminium, ply with a larger footprint to replace the suppplied base
I've been making custom baseboards as I'm renovating my house. Palm router is just so much easier for me to control during the continuous 10 foot runs that I've been doing.
I completely agree. And still I just got another fullsize plunge router today to build a second router table that attaches to my table saw. 😉
thanks for the video. I just purchased the Bosch router on the saw and purchased the Dewalt table saw you recommended.
I’m a hobby/diy/amateur woodworker. I have had nothing but a Bosch Colt. I just bought a full sized Bosch just like this with the soul intention of putting it in a router table.
I love the palm router on site. Even for most DYI projects you’re absolutely right with going with a palm router. If you’re going with a long use definitely use corded, I’ve used battery a lot and too often the battery starts to die before I realize it and you can tell with the tear out and poor cutting.
That’s a good point, John! I don’t have a cordless, but I had never considered voltage loss before failure. That’ll definitely screw up a cut.
With my cordless DeWalt, if the battery dies, the router doesn't gradually slow down, it simply stops immediately. It hasn't been an issue at all in my experience.
I recently got one at Harbor Freight so I can cut out spaces for hinges on interior doors. Once I’m finished I’ll give it to my daughter and her husband. If I ever need it again, I can easily borrow it from them. 😉
I use both a large router and a palm router depending on what needs to be done. Large routers are great once you get comfortable with it. However, i mostly use my palm router for the reasons you mentioned.
So I… even though I’m retired got a battery powered trim router in a multi tool kit and I LOVE ❤️ IT
from experience i can say that palm routers are far more forgiving as they are lightweight and easy to handle. plus as a beginner a big advantage i got is that i was able to mount it on my cnc router easily and let the machine do most of job. i got myself Makita RT0700c which has a speed control. its better to go with something that has speed control as starting off with slow speed gives you more control and it is less intimidating.
Great video and so true. I do like my Bosch 1617 for dove tails, but love my Bosch palm router for most other routings.
Thanks, GK!
Thank you so much. That was so informative. Great video.
Always good information, thank you 👍
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Thanks for the advices
Thanks for the great tips, wish if you had it a year back. I got a full size router as a gift a year ago and have been afraid to use it eversince. It is too intimidating and dont want to loose any fingers
When I began working in the maintenance dept. at the local university we had a Makita trim router that was extremely handy for not only trim but mortising out hinge and latch mortise's in doors. Loved it. But as you might imagine, with the diverse cast of characters in the dept. it didn't last nearly as long as long as it should have. 👍🍻
They vanish quickly, William 😅 I used to route out my hinge mortises all the time with this same colt!
And all the co-worker politics working at a university also... 🧐
Oh my God. This is so true. I finally sold my Mikita 2 3/4 horse power router a couple of years ago. I use my small routers now. And they do everything I need. Another good vid with good info.
And I was a carpenter for 20 years!
Thank you, David! I love hearing from fellow carpenters 😄
i've got a little milwaukee M18 router and there's actually another secret upside to these tools: it's small enough that it, it's wrenches, and a simple bit kit can just sit in a toolbag with a bunch of other stuff i'm already bringing to every jobsite anyway.
the full size never got brought anywhere until we needed it. which usually meant the day AFTER we actually needed it. (poor planning i guess)
i've yet to run into a problem the little one couldn't solve and it's actually THERE when that problem arises.
I've got a big 1/2" collet router which nowadays is mainly used for worktops. Everything else I do with laminate trimmer. It's the standard medium-sized 1/4" router which I have no use for and consequently, have never owned.
Wow thanks for showing me that this thing exists, I'll be adding it to my wishlist
It’s a great addition to the collection! 👍😁
Definitely my experience as well. Bought a half inch router kit and barely used it. Then I bought a small super cheap battery router from Lidl and I cannot say enough about the convenience
Well explained. Thanks.
Great video. Growing up in the 70's I don't think palm routers were a thing outside of maybe specialty applications, so everyone just bought routers and that's what I have. But you made a great case, palm routers are better for my typical use. It would store in less space too.
Me too. I love my trim router.
I agree with lots of your points but I actually got a second Bosch 1617 because I had been building a fleet of jigs for one I had mounted in my router table. I got tired of wasting time putting it in and out of the table mount. So, I leave one mounted in the table almost permanently and the other is a portable one fits all of my custom jigs. Also, if either one broke down, I could limp by with one and not be completely without a router. For a few situations it was actually handy to have both portable with different jig setups on them. The Bosch is not that big or heavy so for me, two identical routers is a better option for where I was at.
Very well explained top man
Thank you, Eagle!
Cordless. DeWalt. Two thumbs up!
Thank you , very educational and wonderful video
Thank you, Journey!
Nice! I’m trying to figure out how to plane wood with a router
I was gifted a bosh full sized 1/4 inch router. I’ve never really used it as it’s big and cumbersome for the profiles etc that I wanted to do. I’ve thought about palm routers but struggle to justify buy in a second 1/4 inch router . But …. If I actually use it rather than it gathering dust maybe it’ll be worth while. Great video ! Thanks very much
I am a woodworker, not a carpenter. I have three routers. A full size plunge, a router table, and a DeWalt trim router. I use that trim router 90+% of the time over the other two. And, if I really feel the need for a plunge router, the DeWalt came with a plunge base I can just swap to. I've not used my full size plunge in years.
This is the exact video I needed to see today. I've been contemplating which router to buy.
😁😁
I love routers and have a large one from years ago. I don’t use it that often because I’d rather have the table but couldn’t afford one. The palm router is so perfect for me, as a woman with smaller hands, and appreciate the how to, but I couldn’t understand some of the language, so I got lost in the directions. Should I look for the “ Routers for Dummies” book?
Thank you for the information, i brought a small one.
Great advice Thank you
Great advice.
I love my milwaukee trim router. Small but powerful
As a professional woodworker, I own 4 routers and use palm routers 3x more often than my full size router.
A great video. And you have finally done something about the sound quality. Great improvement. No reverb and ecoooo. I have a Makita palm router and it does my DIY perfect. Powerful enough. Only problem are the collets. 1/2 inch is 6,35 mm and in Europe we use 6mm. So got to buy new collets for all these American/Chinese bits.
Thanks Rikard! I’ve put a lot of time and effort into improving the sound 🙂
As a beginning woodworker, I already have three routers: one full sized Bosch and two cordless Palm routers: Dewalt AND Makita palm. The three together cost half the price of one pro level portrait lens for 35mm format photography (~$1200). Two years ago I had zero tools and went on a tool buying spree. I have used every single tool I bought even though I have little time for woodworking. As a hobby woodworking is relatively inexpensive and highly rewarding as your skills develop. Don't shy away from buying quality basic tools. A full size router is a basic tool for woodworking, believe it or not.
I’m getting ready to splurge on tools as we speak and This was reassuring that I’m doing the right thing.
Nice video! Thank you and good job, as always!
Thanks, Gary!!
I'm a property mgr that likes to get his hands dirty and keep learning! So i picked up one of these mini routers when we needed to change out some doors. So thankful I found one for like$40 used and works like a charm.
👍😄
Nice! And true! I love Bosch routers.
Pretty much all I work with, slaphappy 😄
I have about six full sized routers and one Palm router, the Colt one you show in the video. Had it for years but lately I have run into two problems the depth adjustment loosened and became unreliable and there seems to be a similar problem with the chuck or collet. I adjusted the screw under the locking handle and increased the locking force but I wish it had a more positive depth lock. Recently the collet vibrated loose and the bit slide out and through my table top ruining it. Took half a day to repair the damage by replacing a board. It may be that the collet is a bit more delicate than a half inch one or I am afraid to really tighten it. May also be that the shank on quarter inch bits is just a little variable. This can be a disaster if your round over bit walks out of the collet while making that last little pass.
I love my makita xgt brushless 40 v router. Small and powerful.
I dont use my corded routers any more. So convenient having a cordless router.
I’ve got to try a cordless, Pat!
Great for setting to the same height as a hinge to use on door frames.
Great video sir
🤗 GREAT ADVICE, I FOUND THIS TO BE TRUE, MANY YEARS AGO 🤗…and I have a 1 1/2 hp plunge router,that I have only used a few times 😬💚💚💚
would a palm router be strong enough for making bowls, ashtrays and such?
Great video Nathan, was just watching your '12 mistakes on the table saw' video earlier, that one is a fantastic one btw. One thing I love on the plunge router is the depth stop, and also the plunge itself. I am in the UK and it's really the bits that cost more than the machines at entry level. One advantage of the plunge is mine is 8mm too and Bosch make a cracking set of 8mm bits. Get both I say, the actual units are very cheap these days for the diy'er.
That’s a good point, Danny! Routers really have gotten pretty affordable overall-but the bits are just crazy expensive when you start collecting them 😥 I love the depth turret on my Bosch 12 amp though! Makes stepping down fool-proof 👍
I bought a large plunge router for routing wiring channels in subfloors when building a house 30 years ago. In recent years, I almost never use it, and, when I do, my old arms remind me I'm not as strong as I used to be. I've been thinking of selling it and buying a smaller one. Your video is the push I needed. Thank you.
Glad to help, Old Timer! 😁
Routing wiring into subfloors... this doesn't sound like it meets building code. Unless your layering 4 sheets of plywood together and dropping full electrical boxes in the floor. I've done that for Apple and Microsoft stores.
But my mind is heading towards a 3/8" channel routed into 3/4 ply.
Here is what Google has to say on a quick search.
Run wires through floor joists. Running electrical wires between the subfloor and the surface layer of flooring is not safe, but you can run them under the subfloor itself. To do this, you will need to make holes in the subfloor, and the best place to do this is through the bottom plates of walls.
@@brandonhoffman4712 This was in a loft floor. No joists. The building inspector told me how to do it. Wire channels were routed into T&G pine 2x6, the ceiling of the living are below. 3/4 T&G plywood on top, carpet on top of that.
@EricRush okay so you covered it with subfloor, good man!
Also it being in 2x6 leaves plenty of room for strength. Totally solid.
Have you done a video on corded vs battery operated tools?
Thanks for the video. Question: I would think, for the 'casual' user, even more basic/ simple, is just using a multi-purpose rotary tool (Dremel), with router bits. Besides the availability of 1/8" router cutting, bits, there are a # of 'guide' type attachments you can use to turn it into a plunge router, or table router, or even using the simpler "multi-purpose cutting guide," which some people use with router bits. I wish there had a least been a mention of this? Any advice (because I have a Dremel, & I bought carving bits that included some routing bits I COULD, but have not yet used). I always appreciate hearing the wisdom of experts. Blessings everyone. Peace. Love wins.
I am looking for a palm router. The main use is flush trim and to round over for corn hole boards. Any suggestions?
I agree. Had a full-size Bosch for years and bearly used it. Then last year I finally bought a Makita cordless palm router and what should I say: I never had so much fun routing. I'll convert the full-size one into a router table next.
I’ve always wanted to try that Makita, Nea! Looks like a really good model. And thats exactly what I normally do too-keep the 12-amp in the table 🙂
LOL, I just wrote the same comment as you.