7 Mind Games Narcssists Play When You Confront
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- Even in the best relationships, confrontations can be necessary, and when managed well, they lead to adjustments and growth. Narcissists dread being confronted, so instead of communicating cleanly, they play mind games. Dr. Les Carter exposes seven of their most common games, showing you how to stay out of their unnecessary competitions for control.
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They dish it out all day long but cant handle one drop of their own poison.
One narcissist I knew would talk about priding themselves and being the type of person that just said things like it was
But if you ever dared to say anything like it was about them, oh my goodness, their world would end !!!!
They could and would dish it out, but could not take anything that wasnât fawning over them like a psychophant đđđđ
So gross
@keyaolson991 Nailed it.
I have a landlord who has been going through the house chronically fault-finding, leaving notes everywhere, using passive-aggressive behavior, and even being harassing through text over normal usages of doors. Yet, when I left a kind note last year that ceramics are not accepted as recycle they retaliated and put it back in the recycle broken in half.
And just last week they put an entire dish set in the recycle that I threw in the trash. They canât even take the time to review the recycle guide.
Double standard!
TRUTH
They cannot have an ordinary conversation. They make it a "game" of win or lose. đŠđ§đš
Yes, it's like a ping pong game, where you never hit the ball because they know very subtle techniques.
@@roxymovie3938 Yes đ
ABSOLUTELY! Thought that was just MY experience.
Stop talking than, eventually they get paranoid and try to start a fight, remain non confronting, calm and hold your boundaries, they flip and rage, and they look like the crazy one, đ
Yes! When you think, ok, things are nice now and we just get to hang out and have a snack. Then they do one off-putting thing after another. I would wind up humoring a few antics, not realizing it was a series of little jabs. Then, I would be thinking - hmmm something isn't right. This isn't fun.
Or maybe: "You are the only one who has ever had an issue with this" / "Everyone else agrees with me"
Good one.
@@PantaRhei-wz5zn Lol â„ïž
In hindsight, what i should have replied: "Good, i like being an orignal thinker". Alas, in the moment i froze
You are so right! I'm the only one whoever confronted my husband and refuse to let him destroy me! This marriage have been over for years but I refuse to give him my house.
_"I just repeat so you can get it.... (say what you said)"_
Stay in topic, don't let the narcissistic to lead the topic of the conversation.
Narcissist are very predictable. Once you figure out how the narc in your life behaves it becomes rinse and repeat. And you can be confident, they will never change đ đ đ
Once you figure out you canât house train a wolf you donât let them inside đ
You canât have logical conversations or emotionally connect with a narcissist
Once you accept this, you stop trying to pet the wolf because you know youâre gonna get bitten
Fear Rage Envy Revenge then Denial đ€Šââïž rinse, repeat till you get out with your life & whatâs left of your sanity
Anyone remember those character/ voice boxes that play a set of common phrases? That's pretty much the same effect here.
One more guess: Throw a *temper tantrum* the size of the Mount Everest, in the hopes that the sheer volume of their Anger will wash over you + drown out everything you originally felt or wanted to say. So you will stop, and swallow your hurts, questions and disappointments and quitely slink away ...
Exactly like a toddler does. They are two year olds in adult bodies.
â@@chelleb3055Toddlers are too good to be compared.
Toddlers are teachable.
N's are not.
Been there. You know what I do? I just calmly say: Enjoy your anger fix. On your own! It's nothing to do with me. And then I walk out and do my own thing. Sure, it usually takes me a while to wash off the negative energy but I'm good at that, I have my method. I laugh! :)
@@marilynmartino4245 Toddlers grow out of tantrums. Narcs can't.
I didn't mean to confront them. I just wanted to talk calmly with them about an issue, but they make it a confrontation anyway even if it's no big deal. đź
@@yukio_saito How dare you query something đ€
@@amandaliverpool3374 Until that moment, I didn't realize who they really are.
@@yukio_saito We've all been there and learned from it, sadly đ„
â@amandaliverpool3374 for real, how dare they try to be diplomatic and understanding.
Yes they do, every time!
They claim ignorance and give you that vacant stare when you catch the out out on something. And then, play the victim đłđ„ș
@@amandaliverpool3374 Well, I prefer this vacant stare above this totally dark malice stare, where you can see pure evil, filled with anger, rage, fury, contempt etc. - In the past I always wondered why I was so afraid of my own mother. It was because I wittnessed this unbearable stare of hers.
@@roxymovie3938 That sounds awful. And from your own mother. I'm so sorry đ
â@@amandaliverpool3374Thanks. At least now I know the reason behind it.
Facts
My narcissist tells me it's my problem/my blame: he's not right!
I refuse to waste my time on confronting narcissists. They do nothing but lie!!!
Has anyone heard the line, "You're not letting me speak" or, "You don't listen" ? Followed by silent treatment. Maddening đ€Ż
These are the repeated comments I hear all the time, it IS. SO maddening. Especially when the only time he has anything to say is when he disagrees with how I'm telling him his actions made me feel or calls him out on his crap đł
@@valeriesaunders8957 Exactly! When they do speak it's to deny what's happening or shame us for bringing things up. That's not real communication. Thank you for the validation!
When I disagreed with him about a law he thought that needed to be made and told him I don't want to argue with you as we aren't involved to make this law - let's just enjoy our day he deflated and said, "You don't understand me."
I told him, I don't want to ruin our day fighting.
He loved to provoke unnecessary fights and see me get frustrated. Shortly after that their was the discard and he left me for a friend who was going to buy him things.
It took me time to realise he just didn't love me and I needed to let go of my need to have someone to love.
Yes.
Many Times!
She said âI didnât mean it that way, youâre humiliating me asking me about this.â Then finally half heartedly admitted lying about it almost 2 yrs later. Funny thing is she made mean comments to humiliate me in front of multiple people (passive aggressive). The gaslighting is something else!
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Yes, my exnarc did that. Wait until you are in public or a group of people, then start bickering about nonsense or tell something embarrassing under the guise of
"just kidding".
They call me useless, stupid, crazy.
the narcissist sees themself "in their mind" as the star prosecuting lawyer. with you on the witness stand having to justify, argue, defend and explain your choices, with your mental health, if not your life on the line.
cheers from southern ontario, canada đ
He was a lawyer and said I can twist anything you say back on you.
Exactly! I also remember the term âpunisher in chiefâ. Thats all they are. Miserable!
Mine actually practiced testifying in court & persuading a judge to see everything his way đ€Šââïž arrested development was invented to describe these toxic creatures
Spot on. I am trying to flee a narcissist lawyer. đ
They are trying to hold you accountable because they heard it on the internet
Another guess: "Maybe you want to discuss this, BUT you should have approached this issue in another way/ another time/ another formulation/ another .... ....." PRETTY MUCH: As you approached it wrong, the discussion option is now closed - forever.
đđđ another way another time another tone another facial expression. They can literally evade discussions with the best of em
Even when you're not confronting a narc they will play many of the mind games mentioned here. Sometimes they do it because your very existence makes them feel threatened. Sometimes they do it to watch you twist in the wind, or just to entertain themselves, or so they can feel powerful.
Every single interaction is a contest
They also may ask you to state a specific time or event in which they did something wrong.
When you do, then may pretend they do not remember anything about it, or they may say it did not happen that way.
Their second strategy is to simply stay silent when you manage to prove it happened the way it did.
@@tombuddy100 theyâre children emotionally
@@IdahoTater Yes, but they can be irritating and dangerous 'children' at that. đ
@@randy_cbc8811 for sure, they could get help but choose not to, what I meant was they are emotionally stunted. Emotionally functioning on the level of a child. Like thinking itâs all about them, feeling entitled, throwing temper tantrums, etc
@@IdahoTater agree.. blessings ..
They may also try to make it seem that the bigger issue is the fact you are bringing their wrongdoing up, than the fact that the wrongdoing was done (and may be repeated, possibly in some other way).
"But what about all the good things I've done?!".
Its like a murderer saying to the jugde "but look how many people i didn't kill". Ridiculous.
"I bent over backwards for you!"
@@stingylizard âYou just donât see the good in me!!!â
The joking happens a lot and they say, canât you take a joke
The narcissist once asked me that very same question: "So, youre expecting ME to change?" I simply said, "No. That part is entirely up to you. All i am asking is that you take a look at your own reflection. Something, we should all do! The rest is up to you." He did not know how to process that. I know i saw an eye twitch! Lol! He didnt say a word, turned around and walk away. It was strange, the way he "glitched out" and went about his day. đ
Nice one! :)
I am fed up with Dad projecting his blame onto me. He expects to have the last word. He's a nitpiciking tyrant.
Gus is always so zen. Itâs calming to look over your shoulder and see him sleeping peacefully.
When I tape, if he isn't already in my study (which he usually is) I just call and he assumes his position. I swear he knows what's going on.
Thank you Dr. Carter and Gus !! Gus is a fine Boy !! ...All Words from Narcissist are manipulative....I had to stop speaking with them, permanently. And stop caring what they do or think. I confronted one of them and they came back with "You're SICK"...or "You're Insane, and everybody knows that about you". I learned there is NOTHING they say or do that I can trust and those that do trust them are just like they are.
Right, but I don't think narcissists like each other either.
Sometimes you have to build a wall to maintain a boundary.
"Cut from the same cloth..."
Guesses - a few quotes
"Yeah, but you . . . !!!"
"I already tried!!!"
"What about when you . . . ?!"
"How about if I just . . . "
I noticed a pattern of claiming to have done the right thing but blaming the person who made the request for their noncompliance. It's tricky because since we play a part in each other's lives, there can be a need to work together, and the narcissist is good at faking good intentions while delivering on their hidden bas intentions.
It's very unnerving when they emphasise the YOUUUU đŹ
In a conditional love relationship, they use conditionals too much like "when you" or "if you."
You're on it!
@@amandaliverpool3374 Bonuspoints : For when they actually wag their finger in your face. Or point to you, when you are in a group, to put emphasis on the ' You'
I hear it all the time. ... Such as , well you.... Well you know what.... I told you....
My narc father replied to my going no-contact with him as, âyouâre just messing with me!â. Itâs never about them gaining self-reflection about what they did to cause the situation.
They are immature and insecure and cannot accept any blame for the trouble they cause!
My ex was a control freak with what kind of food was made for them, to where to park in the driveway to how you answer their calls. And if you are sick, you're going to be shamed for it
Narcissism is like a hurricane. One can survive narcissism be either being in the eye and trapped on the inside or heeding the evacuation warnings and getting far away from its potential reach. However, once trapped on the inside of the narcissistic hurricane, confronting its wrath becomes futile and one is left with no choice other than to capitulate and weather the storm while praying the collateral damage will not be unbearable and that people on the outside will forgive them for being fooled by taking its power for granted.
1) Become an interrogator to create doubt.
2) Pretend to always have the moral high ground and self righteousness
3) Flip the script of the conversation and invert reality
4) Divert, Evade, and Shift the focus elsewhere
5) Questioning your logic to invalidate your concern
6) Dehumanize you and degrading your character
7) Remove themselves as any part of the problem
Mine is a script-flipper, lol. And #2.
I come from a narc family and married into one. It was a profound revelation when some of the younger members of both families began being diagnosed with ODD (oppositional disorder). Three are being treated now and it's GENETIC. It causes narcissistic behaviors that some will outgrow but others continue into adulthood! Is it treatable? I don't know, these little ones are just now being medicated and put through therapy but fingers crossed it will break the generational "curse" upon both our families!!
We feel you are 100% correct--it is genetic. My narc sister refused to get het son treated and instead they have force-fed cruelty and narcissism upon him. He has taken over their house now by devaluing the "dad" and "marrying" the mom. Sick mofos and what's worse is my mom and other sister manipulate him 24/7. Until the last year,I didn't know I was capable of hate. Praying for those kiddos,so glad to hear they are being cared for
Weâre v similar! Narc origin family and have been dating my high school sweetheart for over a decade, his sister has never treated me always well, or like maybe charming flipping with passive aggression, but all bets were off once we moved in together. I have OCD and I donât think itâs a coincidence that I was under so much stress and now have epilepsy. The day I came home from the hospital and couldnât be alone she screamed at me for just sleeping in the living room. Sheâs always raged out when Iâve stood up for myself, and has taken advantage of my forgiveness since. Itâs kinda like owning a snake and being upset youâre bitten every time you stick your hand in the cage at feeding time, if thereâs a relationship to be had at all (where you donât feel like dirt in some way to make them feel better) itâs with a lot of distance. I hope your partner sees it and helps support you, my bf is conflict avoidant so itâs up to me to set boundaries until we move. I feel you thoâ€â€â€
Dad would tell me "You misinterpreted what I said"; he expected me to take his responsibilty, I did not!
I asked my son to explain his reasons behind his flippant comment about how I caused 80% of the problems in his life. Oh no, you âmisinterpreted meâ. I didnât say that! Huh?
@@sandycooper3385 I get this. Dad claims I am wrong, all the time. He is a control freak and nitpicks at me. He thinks he's perfect! He's wrong
Dad told me I have some nerve to blame him. He's 100% at fault, he never takes any responsibility. He says I need an attitude adjustment, when it's really his problem, not mine
Thank you for saying that sometimes we need to confront, not to change them, but to stand up four ourselves. Went through this for decades. Unfortunately I got to the point that I went into that âreactionâ mode. I made things worse for myself as my kids saw this. No one stood up for me and I always felt of it as trying to stand up for myself even though it didnât help.
I hear you! In a word, it's just AWFUL!!! đźđ©đŁ
I once told a narcissist that she was mentally Iâll & she decked me with a very hard shove after springing up from a seated position đ€Šââïž never underestimate how dangerous & scary they really are!
Basically side step everything with grace and meek and mild good old fashioned manors and kindness and they don't know what to do đ
Vague Politeness = a skill that will serve you well đ
Let's take the "They who smelled it, dealt it!" view regarding a narc's blame game! The way THEY spread it around THEY get THEIR stink ev-ery-where! Be Healthy! Stay Healthy!
đ€Łđ€Łđ€Ł oh my goodness so true!!!! Everything that they accuse you of is something that they are doing!!!!!
I almost want to respond, âthank you for making your projection so obvious so that when you call me a liar I know itâs you who are lying and youâre afraid of getting caughtâ
It took me a while of absolute confusion before I caught on to that one. It's such a a relief now that it's so obvious. I get wound up in anger and fear and then I remember what I know.
Their BS..!đ©
That is hilarious actions because I come from a narcissistic family unit and that was something said a lot by my stepfather!! Nothing was his fault đ
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When I would confront my ex-narc she would always say. This isnât about me. Weâre not talking about me right now. Could never bring up anything about her behavior
I've started using a confrontation style with my street narc- he tends to try and control any person coming to do work on my house, so when he cut into a conversation between myself and the worker, I said " good morning x! How are you?" And he stuck his hand in my face and said " I don't talk to you - I want nothing to do with you!". Result. The workman was instantly alerted to what he was speaking to - it made him so uncomfortable that he quickly ended the contact and came back to our business conversation. I fully intend to let him out himself to as many as possible.
One of the biggest challenges for me in my previous marriage with my ex wife was the blame shifting. Once I started working on myself and understanding personality disorders I was able to catch her in the act.
I would look at her when she would start bringing up my past and say âYou are correct⊠it was wrong for me to act that way during that period of life and I am totally responsible for it because it was me who chose to do that.â
Then I would proceed to stay on the topic of how she was treating me and she would go dead silent and walk away.
As soon as she started walking away to avoid the situation I would just say⊠âat least you have always been given the freedom to walk away instead of being shut up in a room with the only way out was through you or through the windowâ
Yes.. she would close the door to our room and refuse to move so we could get a little space so things didnât get too heated. Which is basically imprisonment.
I'm very familiar with the locking themselves up in the bedroom for hours. What a waste of precious time.
â@Mari-rx4 no the narcissist locked up her husband in the bedroom. The only way he could get out was through a window or her (when she the narc moved away from the door).
One amazing skill a narcissist has is that they can reel out lies, one after another, about any number of things in rapid succession. They will pull out thin air whole scenarios of something that happened, and it was all lies. Even if you question the details they can fill in the blanks, or just say, "I'm not sure." If you push by saying, "You said you had dinner at his house the night his dog disappeared, but you don't remember if the dog was there during dinner?" "I don't notice things like that." "I was more focused on the steak dinner." "I wasn't there that long." "I was out on the porch." "I sat in the kitchen." There a hundred excuses narcissists have for being blameless, and sometimes the story has a lot of imaginary characters, imaginary conversations, imaginary events and altered reasons things happened. Or didn't happen. It's like Disney on psychedelics.
It's not worth it to confront a narcissist unless you've been no contact for years and healed. After you've healed you may want to confront the narcissist who's trying to hoover you back in, but only to tell the narcissist to stop trying to control your life and to get a reminder of why you went no contact.
The narcissist's ultimate goal is to get narcissistic supply. If you keep that in mind, you'll see it in almost every interaction with the narcissist. That's why you have to get away from the narcissist. You're like a drug to the narcissist that will be used up eventually.
My narcissist mother would give me the silent treatment when she got upset with me. When I look up videos on CZcams on the silent treatment, none of them talk about what happened to me. My mother would call a family meeting when I was a child and tell my 3 older siblings that none of them could talk to me or they would be punished. My father and grandmother would play along and give me the silent treatment too. My old brother who lived in the same room with me would play along and give me the silent treatment. They all played this silent treatment game on me until I broke or submitted to my mother's control.
My mother usually got upset over trivial things such as one time when I was around 10 years-old, when she told me I was a smart kid and I said 'Am I smarter than you?' After I asked that question she acted all offended, told me to go to my room, and gave the silent treatment until I apologized to her. Imagine a 35 year-old woman doing to a 10 year-old boy.
Nowhere on CZcams do I hear about this level of abusive tactics used by the narcissist. I hear about the silent treatment, but I don't hear about it used to this level. I can imagine the narcissist are doing a lot of other horrible things that aren't even being touched on in CZcams because either the CZcamsr hasn't experienced it or heard of it.
I hear you. My partnerâs ex didnât speak to her 11 year old for almost 6 months after a misdemeanour. We cared for her, until she was summoned back. Truly awful.
They deflect blame onto the person confronting them(narcissist:Dad)
My niece did this to me last night, every step.
I am done with her.
I am still in shock...
So sad ...
Sir, I really needed to thank for your work.
I have been looking at different channels trying to figure out the problematics in my relationship with my father. I have been feeling like something was very wrong for a long time and I felt like it was narcissism on his part. I just couldn't accept that because, although I could see the consequences in myself, I couldn't see the behavior in him. I was seeing the pain that led to his behavior more than how he was dumping that pain on me to avoid dealing with his issues.
The way you explain thing have allowed me to see everything in a cristal clear way. THIS is the eye opener I needed.
Thank you so very much... I think my therapist will be grateful as well.
Being able to play any mind game is to twist the focus.
So the precondition is "deflection perfection". (Thanks to Bara for this term!)
They need to turn them "off" the focus and turn you "on" the focus, which is a paradox in itself for it's all about them and their needs and nothing about you.
@@roxymovie3938 They definitely mess with your head!
@@amandaliverpool3374 Yes, they creep into your brain like a blood-sucking worm!
@roxymovie3938 At the moment, I'm recovering from the dealings of an energy vampire!
â@@amandaliverpool3374 Well, then you definitly need a protective all-over suite made of steel so that the vampire can bite his own teeth!!! Or shall I send a vampire hunter over đ
@roxymovie3938 Indeed! đ€
Thanks I'm ok đ
A very damaging aspect is our learning not in trusting self and others and proneness to our naivety.
I would love to learn how to move forward.
Always good Wisdom here ... Thank you & God Bless you, Dr. C & Team Healthy!!
I class myself as a very calm person and can take just so much, when someone causes pain to another then I think that's game over. Don't be the brunt of someone else's misery.
Les, I just wanted to say thank you. Of those I have seen in your field on CZcams, you are my favorite. I have been the victim narcissism, and I didn't know what was happening, or why. I believe I have it together enough to heal now, but you initiated the healing process. I just think of the 1000's of people you have helped including myself and I felt compelled to let you know. Thank you~
You're why I do the videos. Thanks for the good word. I'm pleased to be on the healing path with you.
This is a timely post Dr. C. So being my birthday (I felt safe in bringing up the slightest conversation) about how I felt my sister wasnât as informed as I was with worldy events. I was called âsuperiorâ and was bowed to (which is really insulting) and then was told I think Iâm âGodâ.
Another one is not being able to remember anything.
I told my grandson's father he bought him a baseball, but never took him outside to throw it. He needs you to spend time with him. The response was, "Oh, I could sling mud too". They miss the point of every conversation making it it's superfluous to converse with them.
Its worse when you are stable, peaceful and gaining independence. Almost lost the âgotcha gameâ today. Close call đđ« Its a slippery slope talking with them at all!
âI was just joking.â
âI was just trying to help.â
I heard these most often when I confronted. Or they laughed like I had just told a joke. OR they just completely ignored me. But I also got the others you mentioned, DrC. The ones I listed were what I got the most often.
Made it home safely even tho my flight was canceled and I caught the red eye flight instead. Hope youâre having a great week!
I was wondering if you made it back ok. Always love reading your comments too!!!
When I said that my cousin had cut herself off from the family because of outrageous violence, denial of opportunities, favouritism etc my sister said 'if it were that bad someone would have noticed '. I can't believe the ignorance and stupidity! I pointed out that people lived next to concentration camps and claimed not to notice anything.
Then she said a certain amount of violence was normalised in the family (as though that makes it ok)
Then she said how an aunt who is a fair-minded decent person was firm but fair and told my cousin off.
I pointed out that people can be fair-minded but have a blind spot and have certain loyalties that preclude them from seeing the truth.
Lastly I pointed out that fair-minded people carried out the Holocaust.
That shut her up for about a week.
Every video, you clear up more and more for me of the craziness of the narcissist. There are so many people who donât know they are being played like I was for such a long time. Itâs so sad. Thanks again for another meaningful video.
I just wanted them to stop abusing me..I gave them the benefit of the doubt, naively so I guess..perhaps they weren't thinking, perhaps they were under stress, perhaps..different levels of narcissism around, seems to be 50/50 narcs vs empaths.
Yes its the way society is splitting-it is getting ever more narcs vs. empaths and you can see this clearly in politics
Make sense for it to be thrown to the highest of narcs insecurities=head games.Another peice of success for us team healthy.Applaued to Dr.Cđ
Stay the high ground, donât react to their statements, donât attempt to point out their issues because it will fuel their attacks. Stick to your feelings, your boundaries, your right to make your own decisions about what is best for you.
I love Gus! (Dr. Carter rocks too!!)
My Mother was one , my Sister , and i married one , our Son is one , The one thing I kept noticing was everytime I was happy they killed it, all these years I did not know what was going on , now I am 81 and just found out about Narcssist, I am free at last and I thank GOD for keeping me safe , sometimes you have to leave people , no matter who they are , to keep your Sanity
@@bonniebrown1112 They can't bear to see you happy, nor can they stand you having an interest that takes up too much of your time. I didn't realise for years that he resented our children because they took up time I could/should be giving to him.
@@isobelshaw3958this comment hit home. Literally 2 days ago i was told by my narc that i dont give her enough attention and that all i care about is our 4 year old daughter. I notice the resentment that she displays when our daughter and i do anyyyything. She makes it seem as if we deliberately have or engage without when in fact she never wants to connect with us. NEVER!!
She even expresses how much she dislikes the fact that she is my spitting image. Cant believe how she can resent my relationship with our child but i get it. She is jealous and envious of a connection she cant make....
I don't know about their diagnosis. But I'd argue that a person who flips from "I'm so happy to hear from you after all these years" to something akin to "If you speak up bxxxx, you'll regret it" in a little over 6 months, isn't normal.
I really believe that some narcissists are bi-polar. Something is definitely not right with them besides the narcissism!!! My husband can flip sometimes in a matter of minutes!!! And being narcissistic, they won't get help! đ§đđ
âI canât remember!â Is what I have gotten through the years. Or, â Iâm confused â
Thank You Dr. Carter!đđ
As he chuckles w/a smirk as I show a vid. of him in the act..."I could see how you'd think that was me, but, clearly, that's not me. You're misconfused & need your vision checked. I am not me. I'm afraid you're talking to the wrong guy.
Let me guess: 'You are oversensitive' ?
@@PantaRhei-wz5zn Well they don't have a conscience. Compassion isn't part of their vocabulary.
@@isobelshaw3958 Unfortunately, i have to agree with you. You either are doing what they want, or not. In the last case: No limits punishment is ok by their standards
This explains why all of the very few family meetings weâve had end up with the focus being on what the kids arenât doing. Never a mention of how he can improve or how the kids feel about the family and household. đ€ŠđŸââïž
I just told a HUGE HUGE HUGE TRUTH 2 days ago and she flipped out by saying I did not know this is news to me.
And she said I wish ⊠can hear what you are telling me cause this is the first time we are hearing this. Then itâs not his job to pay you more you should learn to budget and get another job.
Lastly she flipped the script then I stopped making her think she won.
YES I REALLY NEEDED TO STAND UP FOR MYSELF. I do not want to quit or they retire knowing the pain they caused me.
Not sure why, I was
having a conversation where I revealed that I was raped when I was 12. She became angry that I never told her. My response was, well, at the time he walked me home and you started talking to him.. I just wanted to get away from him. After that, I was too ashamed to say anything. Her response was.. well then why are you blaming me? I said I wasnât, I just shouldnât have said anything.
Immediately after we went to a family/friend gathering.
My mother announced to everyone that I âsupposedly raped a long time ago and I guess itâs all my fault, what a bunch of bullshit - this girl needs taken to the nearest mental hospital - anyone willing to take herâ
Never told her anything again. I have since moved far, far away.
Truly no empathy. Iâm so sorry you went through that AND had to deal with her on top of it.
That's so goddam disgusting. God I am so sorry
I'm so sorry your mother betrayed you so publicly. I told my mother 2 yrs after it happened to me ..her response was " you must have deserved it!"
@@lesleyofferhall8133 đ© I donât understand their âthinkingâ when they do this stuff⊠but, guess simply they canât think outside themselves đđ€Ź
I get âI do my research, you just mouth social mediaâ and âI work from logic not emotionâ and âwho do you think you areâŠ? â
Just wow. Thank you Dr C. I really thought "I" was going crazy simply dealing with this insidious behavior. But now I know, it's okay to just
'keep being me' đ
Glad it resonated!!
I once read in a good book that âdefenses do what they defend.â I didnât get it at first, but now I think I understand. Defenses are used when one is not really sure. Hence, defenses actually do the very thing the defender is trying to not show, which is he/she is not sure. If they were really, really sure, defenses would not be needed.
Thank you Dr. C. You made a seismic point at the end of the video. Sometimes it is necessary to stand your ground for the sake of your Dignity and self-Respect and confront the narcissist with Civility :). (I am listening & learning) You have saved me thousand$ in therapy over the years.
They say; im not going to talk with you in an autority way while being ridiculous..
Thank you so much. I get so flustered by these games.
Dad blames me every time, especially when he's at fault!
Number ONE- when you ask them something they always say they didn't understand or heard you.
That gives them time to figure out how to deflect the direct answer.
@@ryiningZollln I never thought of it that way. When I ask my narc a question and I get absolutely no response whatsoever, I say, "Hello? Did you hear me?" He replies, "Yes, I heard you. I'm just thinking." Yea, right. If I ask for an answer, oftentimes he'll get really agitated. And all of us here know what's next. Another dang argument!
# 3 Flipping the scriptâŠ. BINGO! Doesnât matter what hard evidence you have.
# 1 becoming the interrogator ⊠YEP! Next thing you know youâre answering a bunch of their irrelevant questions which leads back to #3
3 months no contact! Working on healing thanks to you Dr. C and Gusâ€
"I was just...." Yup. Every single time!!!
I have harped on my elderly mother about communication for years now. I ask for communication, but I know I will never get it and that's because of HER. I gray rock as much as possible, and she can't stand it. Dr. Ramani said last week in a video that communication is only able to occur when you have two healthy people who are self-aware and non-antagonistic. No wonder. I'm stuck around unhealthy people who are only looking for fights and cannot be authentic or genuine. My mother has never tried to control her temper and self-reflect on her actions. So today she went after me about communication -- weaponizing it against me.
A few days earlier I tried to communicate with her, and she rolled her eyes at me while I was talking, completely invalidating me and what I was saying. Every time I try, she does something selfish and stupid like this. But oh it's my fault and not her being completely incapable of shutting the hell up and just being present without starting a fight. This morning when I pointed out that I tried to communicate with her but she rolled her eyes, whoops, here we go, self-destruct mode.
The worst part was the escalation she chose because I pointed out her bad behavior. The screeching began. "You want me to drop dead!"
And I responded, deadpan, "Sure do." Because I do. I really, really do. I've had it.
"It'll be soon! You better get ready for it!"
"I absolutely cannot wait for you to drop dead."
"I never once said or wished for YOU to drop dead!"
"No, you don't have to say anything. Your behavior throughout the years was more than enough confirmation for me. Maybe now you'll understand what it feels like to be hated when you haven't done anything."
I said it because I knew the reaction I'd get out of her, and she didn't disappoint. She lost her shit, tried to blame shift and guilt me, and I walked out the door to go to work. Eight in the morning and she has to start drama. If my offspring hated me, I'd want to know why so I could come to an understanding and try to fix it. But we know narcs will never do that. The delusions and the false self are far too powerful to break through. You have to feel all the pain that they don't want.
Hang in there, survivors. Fist bumps and high fives all around. Thank you, Dr. C.
âSince when did you start being so Godly likeâ? I have always been Godly like, youâre the one that tries to make me look so evil. Is just one of things he has said to me lately.
âYou canât live life being so sensitive every time someone says something you donât like.â-her response to me hating how she compares me to her friendsâ kids 24/7
Your advice is always clear, helpful and compassionate for those who are trying, trying, trying to live a healthy emotional life with a narcissist. Thank you for your time, and this video.
You're quite welcome.
Literally prayed for advice on a similar topic because on my own resources I'll muck it up. Thanks Dr. Carter.
Glad it helped!!
Looking up what care means. The best one was protective attention of a situation or action. They seek 100% protective attention.
Books needed by you
This video reminds of my ex when he was in prison for sexually abusing my daughter and tried to claim that it was her fault for "coming on to him". Like a 5 year old is going to come on to anyone, especially her dad. And even if she did (which I highly doubt), he was the adult and should have gotten her help instead of giving in.
Yes,I use to tell my ex NARC let's talk about yesterday,my ex NARC will say No I don't want to talk about it, because you might get upset,I said do it sound like I'm upset,he will say Naw I know you ,you will fipp out,They something, Single life is Beautiful â€
Dr. C is an outright PHILANTHROPIST. Giving out this wealth of information. I strive to be more like him, more intelligent and knowledgeable and a leader teacher
That was very well explained. Thank you. Seems like their entire tact is to invert reality.
Why is it that when you talk to them about your feelings, they think it's an attack and think you're superior if you talk about your feelings? This is why he's giving me Silent Treatment and I don't know how long?
Thank you Dr. C. You are godsend. Love to Gus as well.
Thanks, Dr, C!
â€đWHEN ONE IS A LOVING AND GIVING PERSON IT IS HARD TO UNDERSTAND THE VICIOUSNESS OF NARCISSISTS BUT U MAKE IT PLAIN AND CLEAR TU
You and (Andrew on YT) both saved me. You taught me to repell a major league hover and double tag team flying monkeys that were both in person and written coordinated.... They flew right into a smiling happy grey rock ...splat. đ„ THANK YOU, I feel good. Life is rapidly returning to good. đ„ł
â€2u ALL
Confrontation is interesting bc it could just mean existing without subservience, and theyâll take it as a slight they need to avenge lol
This was awesome Dr. C.!!! Thank you for your insights,â€â€â€
Thank you Dr C ... every single one of those points resonates with me! It's like you've been living with me, like a fly on the wall sort of thing! You described my experience to a T ... God bless you!! Your insights validate my intuition so much, such a great reminder to NOT second guess my gut!! Love you Dr C!! đâïžđïžđ
Another beautiful video Dr C! Thank you! Hi to Gus!
Glad it resonated, and Gus says Thanks!
Before I listen, here in order, are the ones my narcissistic sister did the last time I saw her:
1. Deflection
2. Blame Shifting
3. What Aboutism
4. Denial
5. Gaslighting
6. Temper Tantrum
7. RAGE - then she ran away to her car to the DISCARD PHASE. đ€đ€đ€
Dad would tell me I am the one with the problem, never taking any responsibility for his crap!
Wow! I heard all of those during my relationship with the narc. I was often so confused!
â€đWOW what insight
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I didn't understand something yrs. Ago that transpired but u have pointed out great understanding!
Yeah these days my husband unfortunately who is a narcissist says to me You Christian , you talk back to me , you lied to me even though heâs the one who lied to me, so I asked him what lie have I told explain me and then he walks away to gather his thoughts .