What is Neuvillette judging the Archons for? (Genshin Impact 4.3 Lore and Theories)
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can anyone tell me if navia and chevreuse are good? i dont have a geo main carry cause i find that element horrid to play but i havent really been paying attention to the 4.3 genshin impact leaks. anyway talking about neuvillette judging all the archons (venti, zhongli, ei and nahida) because he said hes gonna do it but never told us why or how. so I giv my own theory using the lore of teyvat
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Chapters:
0:00 Intro
1:00 Debt of Blood neuvillette
2:45 Heavenly Principles
4:30 Archons
6:03 Are the Archons Guilty?
#genshinimpact venti, zhonlgi, ei raiden shogun, nahida, neuvillette, navia - Hry
We need an event where zhongli and hu tao help furina and neuvillette plan a funeral for focalors 💀😭😭😭
That would make Hu Tao very happy
zhongli helped us prepare a funeral for himself, that mf jumping for joy at the chance to do it again for a different archon
If that meeting really happen it Will be Zhongli funeral for real this time.
I can already see Hu Tao handing them a first time costumer coupon
Let this man cook
I think Focalors/Furina moved Neuvillette. I wouldnt be surprised if he wants to meet the other Archons so that he can measure them against Furina. I wouldnt be surprised if hes actaully willing to set the grudge aside.
the voicelines come after the archon quest. something could happen in his second quest tho
I want to see Neuvillette going to Mondstadt, when he gets there he'll see Venti and Dvalin together, I don't know if it will change his mind.
I think so too. He's already understood that his purpose was to actually help fontain rather than Judge them. I think he and Nahida are going to play some significant roles going forward. just as the harbingers have their own duties in this whole thing
If this all ends in playable Dvalin I’m happy
@@BlueDaisy33Dvalin human form I AM EXCITED!!!
It might’ve changed his mind if dvalin would’ve been a sovereign too but since he’s not it’s up to neuvilette
I mean dvalim isn't sovereign he's just idk.... another vishap or something?
Ei shows that even gods or archons have a feelings like mortals, why Furina shows that even a mortal has the will to fill the role of archon.
yea this is a nice way to think about it
Correction because Furina is Focalors as a Human.
@@silverhawkscape2677 correction did I say that Furina is not?
@@silverhawkscape2677wrong, physical looks yes but Furina is completely different personality wise its not the same person basically
Neuvilette perhaps imagines all the archons as beings who think they are superior and are bad at what they do, he probably doesn't know that the archons themselves suffer because of celestia too (and sometimes their own people), it is possible that they will come to understand each other or at least a non-aggression pact
yes, violence isnt an inevitable, just an option
Tbh...i still want to see other sovereign dragon have their full power. But that's will mean death to my beloved Ei 😭
In regards to Venti, there are two crimes that he can technically be considered guilty of: the rise of the aristocracy under the absence of the Archon, and arriving late during the Cataclysm. Yet to truly determine his guilt, one would need to understand his slumbers and why he does so. It's implied that Venti doesn't control the duration of however long he slumbers for; and he's the only Archon we've seen so far to partake in such a behavior. If the reasons are beyond his control, I'd say hands down the verdict is; 'not guilty.'
Also, as for Ei- I think Neuvillette is gonna be more pissed at the Vision Hunt Decree then any of us can imagine. Because consider this; a usurper with stolen supreme authority is going around ordering minor rightfully earned elemental authorities to be seized because she deems it 'incompatible' with her vision for the nation. It is jarringly similar to what Phanes did to the Sovereigns. And on the topic of the Heavenly Principles, Ei is also guilty of being the most subservient to the Heavenly Principles. It might be hard to notice on account of how poorly written the Inazuma Archon quest is, but despite having no love for Celestia, of all the current Archons, The Electro Archon was the most 'loyal' to them, because despite having no love for Celestia, the whole goal of her divine ideal was to bring her nation as close as possible to a nation that would be an 'ideal' nation for the Heavenly Principles, and if that meant stripping people of their ambitions so theoretical destruction cannot happen- then so be it. So yeah, guilty. Absolutely guilty.
With Nahida, I expect Neuvillette to judge the sages instead of her lol-
The Tsarista's absolutely getting that guilty verdict- like, very little justifies unleashing Dottore upon Teyvat, as well as enabling the Fatui to commit various horrors, most of which don't even contribute to the main goal. Not to mention her undermining the authority of her fellow Archons, endangering their nations, and actively sowing instability, she's got a lot to answer for. Even if her goal is to rebel against the true tyrants in the sky, the ends don't justify the means. What's the point in rebelling against the divine when there is nothing but a mountain of corpses left at the end of it all?
ngl wasent expecting that venti take from you of all people.
While yes I suppose Venti's absence did allow for the aristocracy to rise, does that then mean he in turn was responsible for it?
@@DawitsLookingforEmilia Responsible may not be the right word, humans can make their own choices after all. But his absence most certainly made things worse, and if Neuvillette is judging how each Archon's actions affected their people, their inactions and absences must also be counted. As a God Of Freedom whose people were enslaved, Venti bears some level of responsibility for letting his ideal be stamped over by human greed and not interfering sooner.
But I do think Venti will still be considered as not guilty because even though Venti's absence in a sense caused the aristocracy to rise, his people is still the one guilty for causing it because Venti's only crime is giving his people the gift of freedom (the freedom to decide for themselves), and they abused this freedom, also I agree with the statement above, he can't control his slumbering period and we still don't know why among all the archons he's the only one that does this, and that's why Venti's absence is understandable
the struggle of loving both ei and neuvillette as characters is so real CRYING
same LOL
although seeing how Ei is slowly changing, i personally think Neuvi would be willing to give a second chance
(although i personally would have preferred if Ei is actually immovable in terms of mind with ending the inazuma arc with vision hunt decree being stop but Ei still pursues eternity)
@@ozoahameg3582She's still pursuing Eternity though, just in another way.
@@ozoahameg3582Beside that Ei do all these things out of Traumatic Events like seeing your sister die, lose all your closest Friends is not rly a easy pill to swallow
@@Shroomiewitch Exactly
@@ozoahameg3582She still changed ideal. Sht stop pursuing her Eternity (Stillness) and is now pursuing her sister Eternity (Transcience)
I would love to see Neuvillette have a... let's call it a debate, between himself and Apep, seeing how they seem to be the only remaining Sovereigns that have the memories and knowledge of the old world. It's still unclear whether Dvalin and Azdaha are the current Sovereigns, and we know nothing about the Pyro or Cryo Sovereigns yet.
Also Hoyo, Electro Sovereign when? We all know there's something buried underneath the islands that isn't Enkanomiya.
It'll also be interesting to see whether Neuvillette will judge the Cryo Archon or not. Sure, it seems Snezschnaya may be run in an almost totalitarian state, but it seems like everyone has been brainwashed or raised from birth to believe in the Tsaritsa's goals. Sure, she's sanctioned things like Dottore's experiments, but she's also the only one actively plotting against Celestia.
So would Neuvillette side with her for plotting to usurp the Usurper? Or will he judge her by her association to the Heavenly Principles as an Archon of Cryo? And honestly, for a Iudex Neuvillette has been judging all of the Archons so far based on association alone.
Neuvillette > Apep. He's the only dragon with elemental authority so he should be in a league of his own.. That said, dragons in this game are frauds that are known for taking L's regularly so ultimately it doesn't matter.
I don't expect him to ever meet the archons and say anything either. He'll probably not even recognise them which is for the best because he isn't about that life to be able to do anything even if he did. Apep is the one that seems ready to throw down.
Well, the Cryo Archon is no different than the PO, Why?, So far both done many things that harm humanity for their sake
It depends on what the qualification to be a dragon sovereign is I do think azdaha and dvalin both have the potential to be or become one especially if the original dragon sovereign's power is given to them or is given back to them if they are the original I think azdaha might be a simular sort to neuv where it is not the original but maybe his eyes or stone is part of the original dvalin could well be the original idk too much about his lore concerning this.
@@Airlinecuisine Actually Azdaha can be the Dragon Sovereign of Geo, one of his dialogue tells us that he knew that Zhongli was one of the Usurper
@@Airlinecuisine Also some artifacts pointing out that he is indeed a Dragon King, the Dragon Sovereign of Geo
Correction: Morax's archon duties didnt solely include "only descending once a year". Keqing's character story confirms he was previously doing the consistent work the Qixing does now for Liyue.
Yeah he was slowly giving his work to Liyue as he was Preparing for his retirement so that afterwards Liyue will be able to transition with no issues.
You already know what’s coming when he giggles and waits a second to say the next word
Mommy ei will not be one shot!!! Neuvilette would understand (maybe)
yes i love ei shes my third fav character
There a theory i saw a little while back that talked about how ei never gained the authority over electro after makotos death and that since makoto and the sacred sakura are conected that the sacred sakura contains the electro authority.
I think its a neet idea but there isnt much els to prove this theory its just something i wanted others to think about.
Please do reply to my comment id love to read your thoughts on this theory
FINALLY I FOUND IT. dude i read ur comment as i was getting on a flight and wanted to think about and just remembered it now.
I remember hearing a while that the sacred sakura actually is keeping "something" underground", ive seen a fair amount of speculate that it could be the electro sovereign thats trapped under the sacred sakura. We dont know how Ei, would have gained the authority given we simply dont know how authorites are passed down other then the throne being destroyed.
The whole sakura thing is confusing to me because of the time manipulation involved with it, but I wouldnt be surprised if what you said is partially true, given it seems like the sakura helped to separate inazuma from celestia.
Wiat isn't that mean the electro sovereign already get his power back?
If Neuvillette should pardon any Archon it should be Nahida. Traveler needs to tell him about Irminsul and the fact Nahida isn’t even the original Dendo god.
wouldnt that only serve to lessen her? the official story right now is that nahida lost alot of her power and memories fighting the cataclysm which is why she was able to be captured by humans.
The truth however is she was simply captured by humans 3 seconds after spawning in
@@DawitsLookingforEmilia I would say Traveler would imply she isn’t the first without technically giving away Rukkhadevata…and that whole mess. Traveler could also tell Neuvillette about Apep and Nahida helping her. I wouldn’t say it diminishes her at all. I think it would elevate Nahida in Neuvillette’s eyes. And seeing how Neuvillette knows about Zhongli being Rex Lapis, I think Neuvillette wouldn’t go around blabbing what Traveler has confided in him. Nahida’s official story (lie) can stay safe.
I can sadly agree Ei could be guilty, she is doing what she thinks is good but the outcome is not how she imagined it.
Barbetos and Morax are, unlike the other archons, we barely know anything about them and likely had done something questionable...I may be wrong here but weren't they a part of the fall of Khanri'ah? As hubris those people are I don't think it justifies killing all of them.
We're nearing the end of Genshin (Teyvat Chapter anyway) and I really hope whatever they're hiding could be revealed in maybe the upcoming Dain quest...
He keeps talking about the usurpers and debt and judgement, but did he forget what happened to his previous incarnation? He wants to judge the Primordial One alone but how is he gonna do that when all the Sovereigns combined + Nibelung got smacked? Reality is gonna hit him hard
hes not. its a fever dream to try and judge phanes who presumably also has the 4 shades still
On top of that, not ONLY were they BUFFED with Abyssal Juice but they all were older therefore more powerful (Nahida implies the older a dragon is, the more powerful their energies are since it grows with age). Neuvillette is only a mere 500 years old, the same age as the youngest Archon. He wouldn't hold a candle to Phanes, better yet a Shade (the same beings that fit the prerequisites of a Descender. None of the dragons did).
@@DawitsLookingforEmilia I won't expect Primordial One to still have his 4 shades, or at least not *all* his shades. Neuvillette's story entry about Visions says that after the great war of vengeance, "The usurper had their functions ruined, and could no longer use their absolute authority to suppress the original order of this world." In my opinion, this is a hidden way of saying that they lost at least one, possibly more of their shades, except for Istaroth (because she had to be active during the Cataclysm to do the entire Sacred Sakura shenanigans) and probably the Shade of Life to create Egeria although she COULD have been created before the War of Vengeance.
Primordial one has been weakened after this forbidden knowledge events. But still Neuvilette isnt near to 4 shades let alone primordial one. But it doesnt change the fact that Phanes stole their authority and world so he has to right to seek revenge.
Well Neuvillette might be under the assumption that Phanes and the Shades are in an extremely weakened state. Which there is some merit to the idea. Multiple near world ending wars. The suspicious lack of action in regards to gnosis theft and Focalors actions. Irminsul tampering. There is a serious lack of presence on Celestia's part.@@DawitsLookingforEmilia
Neuvillette is too soft to go against Gods who actually did shit in the archon war. Even after powering up as the hydro sovereign I can't see him winning in a war against Zhongli or Ei. While he was getting bamboozled by Focalours for 500 years eating cake with Furina Ei was battling her puppet in a life or death scenario. Ei also has shown she don't give a flying F about inazuma people if they stand against her "will" she would probably cut down Neuvillette even if that means destroying Inazuma with it. Zhongli is kinda up there in lore. We are not sure how powerful current Zhongli is but in his prime he threw montain sized spears. And we can never forget the Adepti. They would 100% side with Zhongli and who Neuvillette has at the same level as an ally? Melusines? Yeah. not winning a war against both of these.
Venti would be a wildcard IMO. He is known lore-wise to move montains to make Mondstadt more habitable. He is also very cunning and would probably befriend Neuvillette and not fight him. Or I dunno, get drunk and pass out middle fight.
Nahida is too precious and he sympathises with her so the will end things diplomatically.
Of course we also have Celestia ("The heavenly principles") who we don't know much right now. Woudnt they just nuke Fontaine from the map if Neuvillette attacked their archons?
It's a pretty fun discussion to have. Thanks for the video!
melusines catching strays lmfao
I have to agree. Based on feats, the only 2 Archons I could see him struggling against are Zhongli and Ei. Venti isn't in his prime anymore, Nahida isn't a figher and probably would be understanding of him, Focalors is dead, and Neuvillette has only been around 500 years and isn't a warrior like Raiden and Morax are. They are thousands of years old and fought for their positions against many other gods. They are definitely better fighters than Neuvillette. As for Venti and Nahida, I don't think they would stand a chance, although it probably wouldn't come to violence anyway. Then again, Nahida, although not a fighter, is very smart and can trap Neuvillette in a loop or alter his perception of reality. Anyway, that's my take on this.
@@jakeblitzcoffie4859 zhongli is no longer an archon and lost most of his powers so I think he doesn't stand a chance against neuvillette.
If we talk about ei, neuvillette might have difficulties cause he's young for a dragon but he recovered some of the memories and got his authority over his element back and we all know sovereigns has absolute control over their element unlike archons who can use a fraction of sovereigns true powers. As genshin is a game which revolves around elemental powers, sovereigns have upper hand. Ei has experience but still she's no match for a full fledged sovereign while neuvillette might have problem against her he's still winning high diff at max
@CrazyBoy-wj4uo Singora stated that Zhongli still had his divine powers, and Zhongli himself said that had Osial not been dealt with, he would have handled it himself so he is still strong enough to deal with gods like Osial. Raiden still has more combat experience than Neuvillette, and even as a fully fledged dragon, he is indeed young. Based on what Apep said, Sovereigns get more powerful the older they get, and Apep is most certainly the strongest being we have met so far in the story, as she is one of the original Dragons of Teyvat that directly fought in the war against the HP. It's a tough fight, but considering Ei's feat of fighting the puppet for 500 years straight, which is the same amount of time Neuvillette has been alive, I think I'd have to give this to her mid to high diff. Plus, that fight was stated to have enough electro energy to vaporize the oceans of Teyvat, which doesn't sound good for a dragon whose main power is water-based. Also, we don't know how much of the dragon authority the Archons have, but I'm pretty sure they have the full authority or at least had it in their primes. Focalors had the power of the Sovereign of Water before giving it to Neuvillette, so I think it's pretty fair to say that the Archons in their primes are at the very least comparable with Neuvillette. Not the og dragons for obvious reasons.
@@jakeblitzcoffie4859 well ei did generate that much heat but it was generated during the span of 500 years and I don't think the battle between ei and neuvillette will last for that long plus that event took place in her personal realm of consciousness so I think only will power matters and experience, biq is gained from fighting different opponents not the same opponent and shogun is her copy paste and her creation so ofc she knows how to control shogun and dodge attacks.
I disagree with you because in games like genshin, elemental powers matters the most and sovereigns clearly surpass archons in that and neuvillette is now the owner of hydro element itself. Ei has reached her prime and as you said dragons grow stronger as they age so neuvillette will keep getting stronger and ei will start to erode soon. I think current neuvillette wins mid-high diff and in future it's gonna get no-low diff also neuvillette is the reincarnation of og hydro sovereign and he recovered some of the memories of his past life during 4.2 archon quest
I think the people of Schneznaya will be superficially cold but soft past the hard exterior probably mimicking their archon. The Tsaritsa definitely lost something as the Chinese trailer heavily suggests, even suggesting her people might be experiencing harsh love in the form of of her elemental authority
dainsleif tells us she has no love for her people, and they have none left her. something must have happened to have that love go away from both sides, but what?
or maybe they're braindead waste of oxygen just like their real life counterpart
@@DawitsLookingforEmiliae everything Dainsleif says is bullshit. It doesn't make sense with what Arlecchino, Tarta and every NPC Fatui says about the Tsaritsa. They respect and are very loyal to her. They know she love her people. Fear is different to loyalty. And WE know since CBT the Tsaritsa will be a Bronya expy and that doesn't make sense with her personnality in every game of Hoyoverse. The person who Dainsleif talks look like more Cocolia than Bronya. And every Cryo character have a Big heart under their "cold" face. Dainsleif was wrong too about the line for Fontaine (it was about Neuvillette, not Furina ou Foçalors). Take everything he said with a big big grain of salt. He's not trustworthy. XD
The Tsaritsa is an interesting case. As proof, in Fontain we found out that things are happening out of Celestia's sight while the archon is putting on an act.
My favorite dragons in all of fiction are the one and only shape shifting, desire eating, chaos devouring, wish granting dragons know only by their one true magnificent name
*THE AHAMKARA*
The ahamkara grant wishes by reading the true desires of a sentient being specificaly in the sens of the difference between realitys truth and what an indevidual wants.
The ahamkara kan also grant spoken wishes even if there is no desire behind it and just as an ahamkara kan grant wishes they can also refuse them.
I personaly think that the ahamkara grant wishes by ingesting chaos and refininh it down with the desires of the wish asker and turning it into truth on the worl.
But just like jinn the ahamkara love to missinterprit wishes in a form of faustian bargin, so someone wishes for welth and get crushed i death under a limiyless pile of gold.
The ahamkara have indefinite lifespands and cannot truly die, as even in death an ahamkara kan grant wishes as an ahamkara concienc is bound to their remains ie bones, teeth, scales and stuff like that.
It was because of the ahamkaras wish magic that they wear deamed a threat to all of existence and ware hunted to extinction by *fucking reality creating/destroing god killers obcsesd with turning litirealy everything into either weapons or armor*
And when the last ahamkara was murdured she cursed the entire dimension/world she was trapped in into an unending, unbreakeble 3 weak curse cykle whare monster beond vomprehebsion invade and slaughter all life the come across only to diss aper and return every 3 weaks. This curse was know as “the witch queens last wish” stating that the curse would happen if the last ahamkara Riven of a thousand voices shuld perish.
A single bone fragment of a long dead ahamkara is infinitly scearier the the entire combined might of celestia, phanes and the 4 shades, the abyss, the original powert of the orignal dragons, all it takes for this dead ahamkara to destoy all og teyvar is a single wavoring desire frim any living being in teyvat
Neuvillete is almost certainly stronger than them, especially since they have away their gnoses, but they both probably have light years now combat experience than him, and Ei brings along her almost as powerful robot daughter with her.
your last sentence is funny to me for some reason
You know that island that Ei cleaved in half? If I understand it right, she did not have a Gnosis at that time. She's just that strong. And Zhongli in his youth should have been at least that strong, but we don't know how weak he got with the Erosion.
Being more powerful doesn't mean winning the fight. Even if he'd win, a fight between him and Raiden/Zhongli would definitely end poorly for him
I still stand behind venti hiding his powers. I mean little dude threw some buildings away just like that and shaped the whole mondstadt region to his liking.
@@CyanideOwl That is probably him using the Gnosis.
I feel like if Neuvillite 'judges' Ei post Ei's second story quest and takes the time to learn the reasons for her previous actions, the old softy would probably give her probation and maybe some community service at most. Focalors really did a number on the guy by making him Fonatine's judge.
Have you heard of the constellation theory on zhongli? How he and nuevellete have banner names that are not matching contellation name or something and the look differs? The theory is he might have been a dragon soveirgn too.
Also i havnt finished innazuma yet but Ei saying people have a lot to lose chasing visions... it reminds me of the weird responses venti gives in the manga. And the view of celestia
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Genshin has a way of guiding you through everything. hence paimon also always being there. but I think the story so far has just been telling us that the Archons have been quietly in protest against celestia. They're playing along because they know if they fight now they lose. Tyvet loses. again. Focalor made it clear she's straight up lying to those MFs and she dipped. I am certain all the other archons are deceiving or 'ignoring' celestia to just act as though they are still doing its bidding. the archons were after-all people who lived down there before Ascending to godhood. why would they support the destruction of the home they once lived and still live in now as Gods
ever since khaenriah the archons have been distancing themselves from celestia. everyone just letting go of their gnoses is evident of that
I wanna see if Fontaine never broke the Principle of Life the concept of it 😊
to me the fustrating part is him boo-ing all the archons but just saying nahida is cool
was a bit meh
Dawit's voice acting at 2:54 is S tier. ESPECIALLY knowing his true feelings on Celestia. It's a lot of talk from the one that s.cks off daddy phanes🙄🙄
this comment is insanity taco
Ily too dawit 🫣
Honestly I dont think Neuvillette will succeed because not only would that require killing fan favorite playable characters but also in lore to destroy the thrones of Archon it would take power that he simply just doesn't have
EDIT: i should really stop making comments before finishing the video
1:11 did you choose this background on purpose?
I swear you doing this on purpose there is more moments like that
2:57 whenever he says heavenly principles or primodial one with sound and picture ...I laughed so much 😂😂😂😂
:D
Nice video Dawit ,so basically Khanriah is the one who bring their own distruction .so do youthink the Goal of Tsaritsa to tople Celestia is bad idea because it will distruck the balance of tevyat ?
And do you think may be Tsaritsa mis understood with Celestia Action in khanria thats why she try to fight Celestia
something happened during the cataclysm that deeply affected the tsarista that much we know. She also seems to knows more about the "truth" of this world then even the god of wisdom did, so its tough to say whether or not her goal of toppling the divine thrones will ruin teyvat as id imagine she knows that better then almost anyone.
I think she knows celestia better then most, but just doesnt like them as a result of their "harsh" nature. and thats why she wants them gone.
I think the Tsaritsa was no different than the PO, they will do UNQUESTIONABLE things for what they know is the greater good, At this point only the winner will be Righteous One, (except the Abyss Order, I straight up, disagree with them, there driven with VENGEANCE)
@@DawitsLookingforEmilia i have 2 theory that the reason why Tsaritsa anggry to Celestia because they orderher to defy her nature because Tsaritsa is Archon of love and venti said that their nobody love human better then tsaritsa so i think she just anggry toCekestia because their order her to kill and destroy Khanria ,that defy her nature and broke her mentally and maker her swich personality to180 and just go swore vengence to Celestia.
My second theory is i think Piero is manipulated Tsaritsa ,i think after Khanriah fall Tsaritsa broke mentally becouse has to devy her nature as Archon of love to save Tevyat so Piero come and persued her to help him destroy Celestia and then piero using tsaritsa to created Fatui Harbinger and her resource to destroy Celestia
In an event I remember when zhongli ran from Nuehajcvjaifys lol
"Nope out of being an archon" 💀
If he has the authority to Judge then he will. People keep insisting he is less than 500 years old, where is it confirmed he is that young? When we see him reading the letter from Focalors, when she invited him to Fontaine. He looks just as he does now. So, he may be much older then 500…. The Fontaine quests prove him to be honest and of integrity, that is why Focalors invited him to be the Judge in the first place. She trusted his honest Judgment…. And all he would need to do is remove all the water from the bodies of the Archons, and the world lol… they would die. As he has complete control over hydro…Though he does not mean to fight, he means to Judge. I feel, at some point they may join together to combat a larger evil anyway.
I think it's a little funny that Neuvillette is all "must cause confrontations with beings that are all older than me" because he's the reincarnated Hydro Dragon. IMO the Archons have all done much more for their nations than he ever has, especially during the Cataclysm. I don't really trust his judgment at all, especially with that whole arresting Childe thing because a machine said guilty for no reason (though I don't support that Fatui at all, he had it coming). I also think if he goes out of his way to cause any trouble, the Heavenly Principles will probably just nuke Fontaine and there's nothing he can do to stop it, there's one of him.
Being older doesnt mean stronger. And also Neuvilette wasnt around when cataclysm happened.
In the time of the sovereigns , there was no humanity yet, so there was not even a nation they ruled. It is meaningless to ask what the 7 sovereigns did for humanity. Neuvilette is only Fontaine's chief judge. But considering Furina's situation, he was the main ruler of the nation for the last 400 years. Also Considering Fontaine's development, he managed to keep the nation out of chaos. And hey, if you played the archon quest, he was the one who fought against the narwhal and completed Focalors' plan to save people. Neuvilette does relatively little work for his nation, not out of carelessness towards them, but out of necessity. Because Fontaine is a more trouble-free place compared to other nations. As for his judgment, I have never seen people doubt him. Oratrice was the one who found Childe guilty anyway, so he probably sees Oratrice as more competent than himself or is forced to accept it to avoid more confusion.
@stalker1759 a machine thought someone was guilty of some unknown crime when all evidence said he was innocent. Fontaine's justice system is a little bit of a joke anyway (Like seriously, what is going on with their prison? It's not a punishment at all).
I never said older means stronger, not sure where you got that from.
If anything, Fontaine is the most dysfunctional nation compared to the others. There was a serial killer running around for AGES. Their criminals barely get punished.
You also seem to agree with my point that the Archons did way more for their nation than he has so idk what you're trying to get at here.
My main issue is that he wants to put them on trial for no good reason 😭
@@ravenr0cks Yes leaving last desicion to a machine is bad idea. Also leaving your nation to a puppet was also bad idea.
I've never said Fontaine and their systems are perfect. But not worse than other nations for sure. I mean archon of Mondstadt let tyranny appear on his land which was much worse than a serial killer being around.
As I said I dont think NeuvilletteIte is indifferent, it's just that nothing serious has happened in Fontaine in the last 400 years that he's been around. And still, it is worth noting the work he did in the archon quest, he cares about the people of Fontaine.
I don't think Neuvilette has a personal beef with the 7, it's that the celestia usurped the authority of the 7 sovereigns and handed part of it over to the archons. In other words, it is a situation that arises from the archons being Celestia's tools. And anyway, I don't think it makes sense for him to take his anger out on the archons instead celestia itself.
@stalker1759 I think he knows that he'd just be throwing his life away like his predecessor if he tried to pick a fight with Celestia so that might be the reason.
Venti was slumbering and was unaware of the situation and once he got wind of it, he dealt with it almost immediately.
Ei supervised the Shogun and was almost completely aware of what the state of Inazuma was whereas not even Neuvillette OR Furina knew what the Oratrice was or when it was even made.
Also, the Prophecy was going on the whole time and was a looming NATIONAL disaster before he arrived in Fontaine or even existed.
@@ravenr0cks Yes but it didnt deal huge damage to , they had been sealed most of promordial sea so it wasnt devastating or dealt significant destruction till the current events. And when it happened he managed the situation very well.
What is odd to me is that he seems to know nothing about any god like at all has he ever even left Fontaine?
pretty sure he hasent. bro just spawned in as iudex of fontaine and thats it
@@DawitsLookingforEmiliaand he's running around acting like he knows better 😅
It's possible that the Archon War involved dragons all over again.
Osial wasn't exactly just a god, for example.
If you think about Ei, it was two years of Vision hunt decree and 500 hundred years fighting for her life and the future for inazuma. Would Neuvillet take that into consideration in his judgement?
im not sure about neuvillette, but would you?
No. She caused a civil war and tried killing the Traveler as they lay defenseless on the ground. That was messed up. I hope he power washes her into oblivion.
Never forgive, never forget.
@@maiafay that was the Shogun
@@maiafay Her actions alone didn't cause the civil war. Everyone is skipping over ALOT of Inazuma's history. Watatsumi's People held a long grudge against Ei after she killed Orobashi when they tried to invade her nation. If you talk to most of the common people and soldiers, they don't care about the vison hunt, they only wanted a reason to fight the Shogun again after the loss of their God. They even found it insulting that their Gods remains were being using to make weapons and launched many attacks. Even when the war was ending, they tried to stage another attack because they wanted to fight. The didn't care about negotiating peace or a seat on the tri-commission, they wanted vengeance for years of humiliation. Ei's biggest crime is her abandonment of her position and responsibility. The war took a heavy toll on her and she fell into depression with no one to talk too and only further isolated herself, seeking eternity of stillness because of her trauma of death caused by the loss of her friends and family. But the Civil War? alot of blame to go around for that but it was mostly the people of Watatsumi seeking revenge under the cloth of Justice to have the moral high ground while attacking this time around.
Devil's advocate? Wait... that's heresy!
Venti, Zhongli, and Ei are all fucked if he decides to draw blood, but I doubt he will.
They are by definition guilty because they willing inherited the stolen authority, HOWEVER Neuvillete has been known to give different sentences depending on the extent of the crime, thats in the air
I don’t think He would kill any of them though because they weren’t the who stole the authority, that was the Heavenly Principles and Second Descender. He would likely take their Authority and return it to the the other sovereigns. They would lose a significant amount of their power, but still be much stronger than the average elemental being or hypostasis.
Also given that ALL current gods of teyvat are demon gods under celestia they would probably lose apsects of their godhood related to it, but beyond that.
Now Nahida is probably innocent because she didn’t have the knowledge of the other 7 and didn’t accept the authority, but inherited it at birth from her mother. This is further supported by Neuvillette’s comments about her, so Buer is probably the only one of the seven who wouldn’t be punished.
Focalors was guilty for the same reasons, but has already been judged and Neuvi would probably say her death was excessive(though necessary to essentially steal the authority from Celestia and destroy the throne)
her death was what bruh dont leave me hanging
@@DawitsLookingforEmilia I didn’t realize I trailed off 💀, I think He would say her death was excessive to her role in the system etablished by Celestia
@@DawitsLookingforEmilia but also Neuvillette doesn’t seem to know the specifics of who the gods are and similar to how he views Focalors, I think he would come to possibly see them as victims after learning about how the Archon War was suddenly forced on them by Celestia and they essentially had to take the authorities or else their people would’ve been slaughtered like Khaenriah for not having a god.
Especially since the nature of Celestia seems to be a prison and all the gods were personally forced to sacrifice much and still controlled through “Erosion” and being bound to the thrones.
I don’t think he fully understands what being an archon entails and what they’ve all been through yet
I don't think Neuvillete can take back those stolen authorities, remember it took 500 yrs worth of Indentium for Focalor to crush the throne, and her life is inevitably taken in the process, (Do you suggest for Neuvillete to kill the Gods 😢), And if his successful he is not irresponsible enough to give them back to the Dragons Sovereign if they were unfit to rule (Dvalin), unreformed (Apep) and not feeling well (Azdaha)
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father hat, always a pleasure
Even if he can judge them can he fight them all at once?
all at once might be a bit much lmfao
Raiden is guilty 100% but who's gonna charge her? No one 💀 she should literally be in jail but aint no one finna tell her that
She already put in jail and apply death sentence to herself in Euthymia Plan, she has no more a body, she just a soul in a sword. Without the Shogun she can't do anything in the material world.
if Neuvillette is set on judging the Archons for misusing their authority to harm the common folk I think the only one he might find guilty is the Pyro archon. Ei did do some damage to her people in her pursuit of eternity but she never meant to hurt anyone. Her actions misguided and manipulated as they were came from a pure place. The tsaritsa or Cryo archon has seen the damage an archon can do as well as seen the oppression that celestia imposes herself having witnessed the complete destruction of khaenriah for nothing more than being a godless nation and she is trying to free her people from the system that Celestia set in place for the sake of her people no harm done directly by her hands so far as we are aware even though the Fatui harbingers are slightly more than unhinged. Venti gave monstadt complete autonomy to do as they wish he has done nothing wrong with his stolen dragon authority. Rheukedevata and Kusanali have done nothing with their stolen dragon authority but provide their people with a means to knowledge and personal betterment as well as used it to protect their people from existential crises. She is easily the kindest archon and has done no harm Nuevillette himself stated as much. Zhong li also created a system for the betterment of his nation and people and it worked so well that now Liyue can not only function and defend itself without its archon but thrive without his guidance succeeding in doing exactly what the Tsaritsa is trying to acheive right now albeit via different means. Natlan however is the nation of war. In the lore it is said that natlan has been in a constant state of war for hundreds of years and if there anything we have learned as a society it is that war and violent conflict is never ever ever ever ever ever good for the little guy. The everyday person suffers the most during such a time but we'll have to see the situation for ourselves in 5.0.
Also about ei, ayaka says in the beginning of the archon quest that the vast majority of inazuma didn’t care about the vision hunt decree and even liked it. Their main problem was not being able to leave inazuma and it affected trade. Also we see in the inazuma ritou festival that the people of inazuma love the electro archon so much that the mini figures of the Raiden shogun sold out like immediately lol
Also idc what anyone says ei did atone for what she’s done by quite literally fighting against herself for 500 years in order to change her ideals and to rule the people in a different way because she knows it’s best for them
Seriously raiden simps, what is about her that you love?
long legs
@@DawitsLookingforEmilia and lazy writting
You judged Ei so fast that you didn’t even remember what Neuvillette said about the visions, I believe Ei knows about the true purpose of the visions and she wanted to guard her nation from it. She just didn’t realize the consequences of taking away a vision from it’s holder, but cluelessness also doesn’t make you innocent so he can still give a guilty verdict, maybe.
She was guilty but also literally fighting against your past ideals to the death for 500 years is definitely a form of justice. For ei as a character I can’t see a single way that would be better for her to atone for what she’s done than that, not to mention the vast vast majority of inazuma’s love her and put all of their trust in her. So tbh I don’t think there’s any punishment neuvillette could really do that would be better than Ei’s second story quest
@applepi2745 No, that's lazy writing, because it wasn't a real punishment for her, on the contrary, it made her stronger. And you never saw true regret and sorrow for her actions. Compare only how Furina went to see Poison and mourn the deaths, and then sees Ei, who hasn't seen the consequences of her actions. In her legendary mission, she only suffered the consequences of playing the puppet, not the deaths of her people, who are actually afraid of her as seen in 3.7.
@@clover.8147 if you think fighting against an immortal opponent who was made to kill for 500 years without break where one mistake can cost your life idk what is a good enough punishment for you
For me it’s Barbatos innocent of rarely using the authority over Anemo to harm living beings only if absolutely necessary and blessing, the peoples wishes and desires with the wind
Morax is guilty though he has watched over liyue for 3700 years he did abandon his people without by faking it, his own death, and risking the lives of the entire nation though he would’ve stepped in if he realized it was too much for them he still could’ve acquired some help despite his alleged death this Morax is guilty kinda?
Beelzebul she’s guilty no question about it.
Buer she’s innocent girl can literally do no wrong
Folcalore innocent of all crimes for sacrificing herself and returning the authority to its property user this trusting a dragon to save the people of Fontaine and pardon there sins
Murata her judgment is yet to be decided
Tsaritsa her verdict is not yet here but the justice she represents for teyvat is all but guilty
It’s almost 2024 and no one understands Liyue quest lmao. Zhongli deliberately scripted the event to test if Liyue can withstand a danger without his help, if anything went wrong as signora said he would’ve interfered and it would’ve been all too easy for him too since he’s the one who sealed Osial in the first place. Zhongli’s first contract is to cleanse the land and defend the safe harbor, Liyue founded 3700 years by him and still safe. It’s because he’s smart and knew not leave Liyue vulnerable like that dumb Venti who doesn’t care at all what happens to his nation with that liberal bs or worse Raiden who said I’ll do it myself
@@zaraki942 how the hell are you going to diss venti yet he’s done more for his nation then zhongli could the whole reason why he doesn’t care about his nations political things is because it’s not a big enough problem for him to solve he’s literally called the god of freedom, which means that in order for him to represent that he had to give his nation, the freedom they deserved he could’ve very well handled the problem of dvalin in monstadt if you didn’t startle him zhongli deliberately knew that his nation would be at risk if osial was resurrected but with venti he wouldn’t even give it a second thought to save monstadt It’s clear that you’re a zhongli stan because even you have to acknowledge that some of his plan was kind of idiotic that’s why I said he’s kinda guilty for even putting his nation at risk in the first place venti innocent because he doesn’t use his power or exploit it in anyway he doesn’t even care if he’s so weak is Arcon as long as his people have the freedom that he stands for and to say that Venti doesn’t care at all about his nation is extremely idiotic and bias as hell since you clearly don’t understand his story either he literally says that he thinks of all of the people of monstadt as his children, so why wouldn’t he not care just because he doesn’t do anything political in the nation doesn’t mean that he doesn’t do anything at all It’s simply that the political things in Monstadt are more of a civil thing for them to solve themselves with their own independence if they relied so much on venti then they wouldn’t have much freedom venti wouldn’t be any different from all the other archons, who rule over their nation yes there I sometimes were he’s pure idiot see but at least he’s honest about it even zhongli does some stupid things most commonly about his own finances
@@zaraki942 I understand that but still it feels kinda messed up he’s willing to save xiao who isn’t even human, and yet let the people of Leaway handle a god by themselves, of course there more than capable of handling it but I still feel like that for some reason
@@zaraki942 well the main reason is because every nation has its conflicts the reason why venti is such a great god for monstadt it’s because in terms of abyssal power it’s the cleanest of abyss corruption if ei ruled liyue the only different is that she would’ve been able to fight osial just with a bit more difficulty
@@zaraki942 bro how is venti overrated zhongli and raiden are the overrated ones and venti furina and nahida are the over hated and ventis ideal isn’t stupid without freedom how do we have the will to choose to make our own choices the game is heavily I’m playing the freedom is the most important ideal in the lore the abyss order wanting to be free from destiny and fate tsaritsa wanting to be free from celestia and dain wanting to be free from the curse put on him if any archons ideal is stupid it’s zhongli he’s literally called the god of contracts like bro how is that important in today’s society as for ei’s ideal of eternity I think it’s more so the idea of making changes so inazuma can last eternal that’s what mokoto stood for if your forever still and never change then you’ll be basically forgotten in a way the changes of life was mokotos eternity the eternal changes in this world inazumas story was not its best… so we really didn’t understand her ideal at the end of her ark like the other archons but i think this is what eternity meant to her sister the changes of life and existence was her eternity but ei only saw it as stillness she thought change was bad because of what happened 500 years ago she was scared because of humanity wanting to strike forward that’s what she saw in eternity to be forever still nothing changing whatsoever also it’s extremely hypocritical to say furina Stan’s are bias yet your literally dissing venti and ei because you can’t handle one criticism for zhongli Furina literally had to suffer as a human for FIVE HUNDRED years to save Fontaine from the prophecy Evan zhongli admires her will he even said it like she made a contract with herself it’s obvious your a zhongli stan and I will admit the guy is cool but you also can’t ignore his faults bro barely Evan has a income like how ventis and drunk ei is oblivious to anything of the outside world nahida has a interesting choice of words and furina has a ego problem though that mostly because of her acting the part as a archon and the people of Fontaines expectations being to high
Guilty of killing his brothas and sistaz
For not paying taxes 😜
NERRRvilet
Bro Raiden getting slapped for sure
At this point. Just let Neuvi go against Tsaritsa and her Harbingers they have spread too much catastrophes to innocent lives and irreversible changes. Both the Tsaritsa and Neuvi may have the same goal of taking down Celestia, but the ways of the Cryo nation is more damaging than achieving peace
AMEN
nervellete
Nahida can't be guilty
Like i said, archons are selfish, vain, narcissist
Legendary theory:
Paimon is pramodial one
She defeated by second who come in celectia 🫴🫴
And she lose her power and become smaller
And second who come is became fake primodial one using urminsoul 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Paimon need help to Stop fake primodial one
She give trevler elemental power to fight against fake primodial one 🕐🕜
This is happening 😎😎🔥🔥🔥
And many people destroyed by fake primodial one
Not a real pramodial one/paimon like chasm silly ekanomia and dragonspine etc
but then why wouldnt paimon just tell us this
@@DawitsLookingforEmilia because she wating for good time
If trevler is enough strong to defeat celectia paimon tell him all
@@DawitsLookingforEmilia she wating for trevler gain full power
All seven elements
🫴🫴 Dotter say something to nahida and Nahida give genosis
He say about fake primodial one
He say tsritsa collect genosis for attack on celestia
Everytime i hear most Genshin players talk about Ei, its always from the prospective of the Traveler. They skip over all of Inazuma's history. If Neuvillette is judging Archon's based on what they do with the Elemental Authority, Ei would be guilty of trying to emulate the Heavenly Principles. Trauma around the fear of death caused her to seek an eternity of peace and stillness for everyone and her people. These ideals worked for centuries protecting Inazuma but caused stagnation which left them open to influence and manipulation from outside forces. I believe this is also relation to how the Heavenly Principles wish to enforce order on Teyvat. Protecting Humans from outside forces but also causing stagnation in which humanity can't explore beyond its realm, The Eggshell Neuvillette speaks of. After our battle of Ei, I am very interested in how her ideals around eternity are developing. Which is why I've been content of her taking a passive role in recent events while she watches the world. I still like her ideals of understanding the Heavenly Principles more but so far we're not sure if even they are unified under the same ideals. As for her role in the Vision Hunt Decree, i'm pretty sure most of her information was by proxy. During her story quest, she barely recognized her own city outside her own doorstep. The Fatui manipulated the puppets mandates and Ei cosigned believing visions to cause raceless pursuit of ambitions which often resulted in death. What ultimately changed her mind was when single ambitions grouped/chained together to challenge her own. That collective willpower became the light in the shadow she was so use to seeing. The whole fight was a therapy session she needed years ago.
I’ve always thought that ei fighting to the death against her old self for 500 years gives herself a punishment than anything neuvillette could ever do. Also neuvillette sees focalors/furina as in the right and in Ei’s voiceline about furina she says that she understands furina because their situations were so similar
There’s a lot of nuance that people miss or forget about ei, like you said they only think about things from the pov of the traveler so they only think about the vision hunt decree that lasted a year or two compared to the thousands of years of prosperity (not to mention the vast majority of inazumans didn’t even care about visions being taken)
Suing Zhongli for breach of contract
Hope Nahida is found guilty.
u have an agenda lmfao
nerve illette
always one huh
@@DawitsLookingforEmilia c'est n'est pa “Nerve-ilette”, c'est “New-vil-let”. ça entend horrible..
@@eeury_Passer à autre chose
EI > all sovereigns and the shades/primordial one at the same time. No diff.
COPE
This is satire right, neuvilette himself would beat raiden
Average raiden simp
Based on what I heard so far Ei's Archonhood was the WORST And the reasons are the following:
1# Letting some of the establishments that contributed greatly to inazuma in past or future crumble or almost die out (e.g. the Raiden Gokaden, Five Kazens, The Great Forge.. forgot the name, the Kamisato Clan & Tri-Commission), specially the Forging Industry is negligted.
2# So far the Fatui cause more damage to Inazuma than any other Nations, being their Archon present & aware
3# Her PREMATURE understanding of FREEDOM being use cause a lot damage, letting her people rule a little without good morale established but by FEAR cause rampant corruption of the Tri-Commission (thankfully the Kamisato clan wasn't involved), And her puppet Scaramoth causing havoc reaching overseas, (This is different to Venti, because Venti wasn't even PRESENT, and already relinquish his rule)
4# From 500 yrs until now, She didn't rule properly, instead PARALYZED or SLOW DOWN, Inazuma's economy also causes revolutions.
5# In the End, Makotos the one who clean up what she entrusted to her, And Makoto expected her to fail (cleaning up, Gods residue & Abyssal Corruption)
6# She let problems fester, And needs a strong push to take action, she's even PRESENT, AWARE And Still RULING.
Although I listed all of this, I am not suggesting her to be perfect but rather do her job properly atleast
I know she is powerful and can offer protection, but being an Archon wasn't all about protection but also able to lead properly, so far 500 yrs I didn't see that
I know you want to add her contributions from the Archon War, And her being a Kagimusha but those feats are outside of her Archonhood, I can't really count them.
If she can only offer protection she better relinquish her rule towards humanity and let them lead themselves and walk amongs them like her fellow Venti & Zhongli, she can get experience and understand her people more
hmmmm
Some of these are rather inaccurate like:
1. That was all on Scaramouche and his murder spree, mind you nobody reported him because they were all afraid of him.
2. Inazuma had been infiltrated for nearly 500 years in the making because of Dottore roping in Scaramouche and Scaramouche breaking things down from the inside.
3. She's mentally unwell and has PTSD, this is why she wanted Makoto to rule and is one of the major character flaws, mind you. Ei sacrificed herself so Makoto could win the war, Makoto then revived her because she couldn't fight so she's always been relied on as the brawns not the brains.
4. Only 2 out of the 500 years were a disaster for Inazuma, the Sakoku decree itself was to prevent outside forces from having a hand on Inazuma's destabilization but since the Fatui already had a grip as soon as Ei shut herself out, it essentially backfired during the events of the game as two of the commissions sold themselves to the Fatui.
5. Makoto didn't expect her to fail, the crux of her appearing in the Plane of Consciousness was for Ei to succeed in finding Makoto's sense of Eternity. The Abyssal corruption was relegated as part of the Shogun's activities and the Shrine's with Miko helping out. The Istaroth powered help was basically a deus-ex-machina for Inazuma.
6. This is also part of her character writing, she's out of touch, afraid and alone. She did everything so Inazuma could be fine with just the bot but with Fatui influence and her own people breaking the trust she had in the Shogunate and Tri-Commission working together, it was very much doomed no matter what she did preemptively. She did all of this so she could withstand or even avoid Erosion, and this is the only achievement she had during her rule.
@@salceds Well Indeed her Trauma was one of the cause that lead her not doing the right call, BUT the main contributer actually is her STUBBORNNESS, base on Yae Miko And Ei herself, She didn't listen to any of Makotos, nor Yaes advice & teachings, (thou being Stubborn/Decisive is a good trait as a Leader, being a good listener is also a good trait), Even before the Cataclysm and After the Archon War, Makotos is trying to teach her, the right path to Eternity, And Yae already telling her the right call (even thou Yae is younger, she is indeed Smart), weather Ei is traumatized or not shes at fault
@@salceds What do you mean 2 out of 500 yrs?, Do the Fatui and Scaramoth able to cause those damages for just a short time, I am not only talking about her bad decisions, also her Neglegence
@@salceds She indeed expect her to fail, that why she did plan it out for it not to happen involving Istaroth
I LOVE EI. She is so fking miss understood it's unreal. You'll see at the end
The one misunderstanding everything is Ei. It's the neglection to her own people what caused Inazuma's problems.
@@EddyConejo Extremely unlikely. Ei removed visions because it is 90 percent certainty that Celestia uses them to control and track fate. OH she may have said something else in her quest, but she says that visions are given to people with a desire but she hints that there is another part to it.
Okay let me cook. Focalors could not use her own fate. So she made a human replica of herself basically what she always dreamed of being, with a different fate. Normal humans are not interesting to Celestia therefore nobody suspected Furina., I now believe that the archons own fate traps the elemental dragons power and in order to free them the archons has to die.
Now we believe Celestia is basically filled with aliens called "Descenders" Ei may very well interpret visions as brainwashing mechanisms used by outsiders to control the outcome of fate in Theyvat.
Nervilette? :