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DID IT SUCK? - Doctor Who [DEMONS OF THE PUNJAB REVIEW]
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- čas přidán 15. 08. 2024
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How was last night's episode? (Leave spoiler comments attached to this comment pls)
I’m never popping bubble wrap again
It was alright better than other episodes.
Decent felt very early russell t again and as much as i love the davies era it just felt a bit more kiddified than say ep 1 of this season or the later davies stories
I tend to agree with the idea of NEVER popping bubble wrap again, and yet again we have an episode thats quite good in suspense, has a good twist, but a slightly weird wrap up.
@@MCSupremeMiners was that an intentional or unintentional pun
Beti means daughter/granddaughter in hindi
Beta means son/grandson in hindi.
Thank you.
Thanks for that. Cool language you got there!
What stpiud word is they
Just kidding know Urdu same thing
Ha all sons in India are betas.
I don't think Doctor Who needs a head writer who writes most of the episodes. I think they need a head writer who reviews and proof reads all the scripts for the episodes. That way you don't have one person who needs to come up with and write like 6/5.5 episodes per season. Maybe they could write one or two but not 6. I don't think anyone could manage that.
Yes. He wrote too many.
Like an editor in cheif?
Agreed
That's what rtd mostly did
Absolutely, I thought Moffat was too controling (although he got a bit better in Capaldi's era) but Chibnal is just ridiculous. Ideally I'd have a showrunner who writes no episodes, but picks a team of writers, sets out the general characterisation of the doctor and companions and otherwise backs off, letting each writer bring their own unique spin to every episode. That would be very much in the spirit of classic who.
I want Neil Gaiman as showrunner. I know he likely won't because of his bad experiences with Nightmare in Silver, but the first episode he wrote The Doctor's Wife was personally one of my favorites, and I reckon with a more controlling role he could come up with stuff that doesn't revolve around a heavily politicised gendered agenda. He only wrote these two but I think he could (to quote tennant) 'do so much more.'
That is my dream too. Sadly i am pretty sure he wont do it. It would take to much time away from writing books. That seems to be what he wants to do now. But GOD i wish.. i truly wish
He’s been writing some pretty good stories for Doctor Who: LOCKDOWN!
I thought of his name immediately too! It would have been so much better!
Is it bad that I look forward to these reviews more than the actual episodes?
i've been waiting all week, and i havent even seen the episode!
i been looking forward to harry;s vids on episodes since hell bent
that episode shattered the very last bits of hope I had for this series
Not at all. This guy and Bowlestrek's series 11 reviews are always more fun than the episode.
I just skip the show, and watch this & bowlstrek
@@emergenciest That's a stupid thing to do.....
Harry although this might be hard, please continue to watch and review the series because you are one of the best at picking out the inconsistencies and plot holes in my opinion. I enjoy watching your reviews more than the actual episodes.
!!!!!!!!!!! I love this guy’s reviews.
This episode summed up
Yaz: Can we go back and intrude on my nan's wedding?
Doctor: I've done that before, and it turned out to be a really really really bad idea. But sure let's go.
When?
@@lexezlao maybe not the wedding, but in father's day (in first season of new who) rose and the doctor went back in time because rose wanted to meet her father but everything went wrong. idk if that's what he meant, but that thing of traveling back in time and change this kind of past events ends up really bad
@@akodaah13-e32 ohhh
Manchester, Liverpool, Edinburgh and London on a 1945 world map, yeah probably. Sheffield? Nope.
It didn't even occur to me whilst watching but it's glaringly absurd now it's been pointed out.
No-one would put Sheffield on a World Map. That makes as much sense as putting Doncaster or even Blackpool.
Reading my comment back I realise as a capital city I should have added Cardiff to my list but I think my point still stands. And as the then main passenger port of entry to the UK Southampton may be on there as well for that simple reason. But Sheffield? Despite it's famous steel industry unlike Liverpool and Manchester they had nothing to distinguish themselves economically or industrially (on a global scale at least) from dozens of other medium sized UK cities.
Oddly enough, Cardiff wasn't officially designated capital of Wales until the 1950s, so it probably wouldn't have been on a 1945 world map. In fact, on the ones I've seen, only London, Hull, Liverpool and Glasgow are featured... I guess that, on that scale, an island like GB isn't big enough to have too many labels on it :)
W-we're important though! We made cutlery. That's a big deal to somebody, maybe.
One small point. When you mention Umbreen telling everyone at her birthday that she was "the first woman" to do this, that and the other, and questioning why they don't already know....well....have you ever had grandparents? They tell their stories over and over and over again. It's a thing that old people do :P
Also, why do people keep getting confused about why she doesn't recognize Yaz? It's the same complaint people have with Back to the Future....why do Marty's parents not think it's strange that their child looks like a guy they met decades ago? Well the simple answer is because it was, in fact, decades ago. If anyone thinks that they'd be able to recognize the face of someone they'd met for a single day fifty years ago....or even just ten years ago....then they must have something close to a perfect eidetic memory
@TatzRules Yay especially if she has the exact same clothes
In addition him getter mad at the Betty thing, without realizing Bheti is a Hindi term of affection for a granddaughter like jeez. I know he doesn't know the language obviously, but don't just assume they're so dumb as to make a character forget their own granddaughter's name for no reason. It's just harshness for the sake of harshness.
Also the music at the end is an Indian vocal rendition of the theme song.
@bts aroace ho she's still old though
It's not Betty, it's beti
Beti means daughter or granddaughter dude
MOHIT JOSHI Well I wouldn't say it means daughter or granddaughter. I'd say it means "my child" for female whereas beta is "my child" for males.
American equivalent = kiddo.
@@kbg12ila yup. You can put it as it is.
@@kbg12ila it deffo means daughter
Isha Thakor Yeah but it can be said by any elder person to any younger female. An aunt can call her niece beti. But she isn't calling her daughter.
The ending made me cry but I was already in a Remembrance Day mindset so the faces of all the unmourned people really got to me and I still think the episode was very good. I can't dispute your points apart from the Sheffield bit because if she knows Britain as this land where the streets are paved with gold from their presence in the region, it would make sense for her to eventually end up there (she would still spend quite a few years in Pakistan). Also I don't think they were harvesting the essence of anyone, simply mourning when no-one else did. And before the reveal they were very menacing, just not caring about The Doctor's presence in the region. But yeah the acting was sub par.
PS The music was an Indian rendition of the Doctor Who theme I thought you would have spotted that.
Saying "why would this character go live in Britain if the UK are the ones making their country bad" is quite silly when we know that a lot of Pakistani people historically went to live in Britain
As much as I disagree with your thoughts on the episode, I still can't help but love the effort put into these video 😂 - Another great video. Very interested to hear what you think about Kerblam!
I disagree with (most of) his opinions, but love the reviews anyway. I UNDERSTAND why he dislikes it though.
That hate love relationship imao
Kerblam was the worst yet. The writing has very little substance ,a plot so unlikely it beggers belief. I keep hoping for a cracking episode there must be at least one , I'm not giving up but It needs to up its game and cut the PC.
Paul Nattress in my opinion kerblam was the best yet and it actually felt like Doctor Who. It just goes to show either how bad the rest of them are or just how hard it is to please every fan
Edit: just wanted to insert in here that kerblam was the least pc episode so far
@@thelasttimelord7550 - All these people who wrongfully called Moffat "a hack" are now living to regret and eat their past words. Moffat showrunned and written episodes were brilliant and really transported me to another dimension. I so enjoyed them! Was he perfect? No. Did he have a dud or two? Yes. But, those were the exceptions and did not in any way represent the overall quality of the Steven Moffat era.
Actually really liked this story. It was educational and about a subject I knew little about and was a very personal character story for Yaz.
@@montyswift5661 umm no that's not my logic at all. Doctor Who was invented to be educational back in 1963 but it does not mean it's great just for being educational. It was a touching and personal character story for Yaz and had a lot of tragedy that was very emotionally touching with the death of her Nans husband and it was great seeing Yaz discover that her Nan was once a very different person and seeing how that affects her.
What i say DW is a poor version of sesamestreet...
In this Episode we learn to spell “A“...good night DW
Doesn't even feel like this doctor fought in the time war or anything, feels like a different timeline
They kinda wrapped up the Time War stuff with Day of the Doctor, Gallifrey wasn't destroyed which would have helped 11 and then 12 to finish getting over it for the most part, if Daleks are in series 12 she'll almost definitely retain the severe hatred of them.
Like Erin said. Plus y'know, that *was* something like 600 years ago now. The Doctor has spent a couple of incarnations and several centuries grieving and is ready to live life again now.
@@irrevenant3 exactly....the Doctor cant be brooding about the Time War forever....it would just get old and repetitive
I thought Demons of the Punjab is a decent episode but I still enjoyed this review. You brought up some legitimate criticisms, as I also thought the actor who played Prem was totally not good. A part of me is disappointed that the Thijarians weren't the villains of the story as the villains in previous episodes were incredibly bland but also I enjoyed the twist that they were actually pacifists and I like the idea of them acknowledging/honoring beings that die alone.. Also it's weird that the guest stars didn't have Indian accents but that's just a nitpick on my part. I thought Graham's scene with Yaz was beautifully written and I thought Manish having his own brother shot was hard to watch even though I felt that the writer rushed Manish's development towards the end. This is a 7.5/10 for me.
@RJH Productions : meh. Surely the Indians would have already been speaking English to the Doctors and her companions... but whatever.
@RJH Productions : I'm not entirely sure what the TARDIS's translation circuits do re: accents. It's entirely possible that they do their best to enable clear translations while maintaining the original inflections as much as possible (ie. accents).
The whole point of this episode is "inevitability". Because even with all of her knowledge, her Space & Time-Ship, her tools, and her companions... she's unable to do anything but make sure that things happen they way they're supposed to happen. Even when she thinks there's something she can do, which is to fight the alien threat, she finds that there really was no threat at all. That's the whole point of this episode. And they did it brilliantly, IMO. The first episode of this season that's actually worth a damn. You can nitpick all you want, but that doesn't make this episode any less good.
It was a great episode, IMO. The only thing that weakened it slightly is following so close on the heels of "Twice upon a time" which used a similar twist for the aliens.
@@irrevenant3 it was revealed that this episode and twice upon a time were written at around the same time
@@MrDanZa Interesting. So maybe team Chibnall had the idea first. Or maybe it was like an X-Men/Doom Patrol thing - just an idea whose time had come so it got separately and independently invented. Let's be honest, it really was about time to remind the audience that not *all* the aliens were evil monsters...
Merely possessing a theme doesn't automatically make something good. It's a nice concept, but if your execution contains poor dialogue, bad acting, plot contrivances and lazy characterization, then you've not really done it justice.
beti means daughter and can also mean grand daughter (depending on whether its the mother or grandmother is saying it)
You forgot to mention how the doctor was unable to discern that a man was SHOT WITH A RIFLE and thought he was poisoned or something by aliens.
If he was shot in the back he would have an exit wound on his front.
I didn't think it was down there with the 2s! I thought it deserved about a 7, probably. It was certainly the strongest episode so far this season. It's roughly equivalent to Vincent & The Doctor or Father's Day.
I also thought the Doctor's hipocrisy over the not interfering was deliberate character stuff rather than just bad writing, because of Yaz's face when the Doctor agrees to presiding over the wedding; Yaz knows this wedding going ahead might mean that she doesn't get to exist, whereas the Doctor's ego is stroked and she's been a dizzy as hell to not see the potential damage, which is why Yaz chastises her. In fact it's the first time we've seen conflict in Team Tardis which is something greatly missing. Many is the time Bill or Clara had a go at the Doctor, but this TARDIS crew all seem to be conflict free, which has meant drama free. Perhaps Yaz should have confronted the Doctor more strongly over this. "It's not your family history you're screwing about with! I could end up not existing!" And you can't fault the cinematography - it looked beautiful
Yeah, it seems to come down to whether the emotion lands or not. Those of us for who the emotion worked rate this episode highly. Those who couldn't take it seriously don't.
The part with the grandma not telling makes sense if she was traumatized and wanted no to be reminded about that. Because of war and that stuff. Survivors tend to do it. The only thing is why she didnt mention. "You dont know everything. And a girl looked like you. I proposed the name." A missede opportunity but not not mentioning her traumatic past makes sense. War veterans tend to do it.
I think it was a good episode. It misses some spunk that Keblarb in my opinion has, but the historical event is tied in a backstory and interesting. I think its a sign that the stories might get better.
She'd still remember fucking ALIENS
She'd still remember fucking ALIENS
The aliens look like some demons of her religion. Well she could see demons and explain it with religion.
To be fair, she met Yaz for like 8 hours, 60 or so years ago. It's not exactly unrealistic for her to forget what she looked like, and even what her name had been.
Context makes a huge difference. Umbreen is unlikely to notice that a woman she met what, 50 years ago for a couple of days resembles her present day granddaughter. Even if it was a particularly memorable day.
@@KotoCrashI'm pretty sure Umbreen *remembers* that time her house was besieged by demons. She's just not mentioning it to her family because she figures they'd never believe it.
I disagree with you on this episode.
This was a story more designed to appeal to the emotions, and it's there it worked for me. I've heard some comparisons to Indian soap operas from various reviewers. Which doesn't surprise me given the appeal to emotions implemented--which seems to be part of the lesson this doctor seems to be set up to learn: how to manage one's emotions. She goes in all guns blazing as a character and has to learn nuance and tact as a character (which fits, considering 12 had to learn to get in touch with emotional expression, that 13, being in touch with emotions, has to learn how to control and channel them). I'm calling it now, which is why the stories lean more and more towards emotional storytelling--which will either work or not for you depending on how things play out.
Though I do agree that it felt too compact and distilled as a story and unable to capture the scope of what was going on. I think this story could have benefited from being lengthened into a two-parter where the themes only touched upon could have had the time and the breathing room to be expanded upon, and the thing that this kind of melodrama requires (audience investment in the characters) could have been afforded the time it needed.
But that seems to be my running critique of this entire series... the ideas are decent, they're just trying to squeeze too much into one episode when they should have spread most of these ideas out into two parters to better fit the style of storytelling they're after.
@@davidvasey5065 Dude.... what?
@@davidvasey5065 a really great response you've got mate and it's you're*
Yes it would've jazzed up the format a bit if it had just been the doctor and Yaz for this episode. And maybe other episodes could be just with Graham or Ryan. That way we'd actually get to know them individually. Then bring them all together for the finale.
Considering the aliens never had any intention of messing with anything, doesn't that mean that the Doctor & Co's involvement was completely pointless? Usually these episodes where they go back to the past work better if they actually make some impact on... anything.
The Doctor and Rose actually helped solve the mystery of the Gelth, and the Werewolf, humanity would've been screwed in the 40s if the Doctor didn't help with the Empty Child, Madame de Pompadour would've been killed by the Clockwork Droids, Shakespeare wouldn't have been able to defeat the Carrionites without the Doctor and Martha, the Daleks would've turned the world into a new Skaro if the Doctor wasn't involved in Evolution of the Daleks, the Doctor and Donna were literally the cause of Mount Vesuvius' eruption, etc etc etc
But what did the Doctor do in Demons of the Punjab?
Uh...
She was racist towards the aliens I guess? They had pep talks... but really the main story (surrounding the marriage) probably would've gone the exact way it did, if the Doctor & Co weren't there. The fact that Yaz even exists, along with the broken watch we see at the start of the episode, is proof of that, right?
(Unless there's some kind of destiny thing going on, even though history's been rewritten many times in Doctor Who (with no Reapers in sight, might I add, weird...))
The story aired on Remembrance day, it was almost 100% certainly the point that the aliens acted to honour the dead that would otherwise be unremembered. Besides, it was also the point that the events were virtually unchanged as the threat was a perceived one, not an actual one. On the point of the Reapers it would actually make LESS sense for them to appear now, since the Time Lords are back and it was explained that the Time Lords tended to prevent incidents with the Reapers as they are essentially temporal bacteria, drawn to wounds in time. Reapers don't appear at paradoxes, but when they are unchecked they will be drawn to them.
The Doctor performed the wedding.
10:39 If you listen closely, you can hear that what actually plays over the credits is an indian music-inspired version of the DW theme, which I thought was really cool.
Beti means daughter in Urdu/Hindi but I don't know why she wouldn't call her "Ti" which would be more appropriate in Punjabi
Hassan Ejaz I guess because it's supposed to be set on the boarder of Punjab, where the language usage at the time was quite mixed. A lot of people would have used a single language like Urdu, Hindi, or Punjabi, but with frequent use of each others dialects. 👍
Harry, I agree with most of your reviews but with this one, damn, were off a long mile, I'd give key points but looks like there's a lot of people already pointing them out and mate, you've gotta pay attention sometimes before making claims such as the so called "god awful music" that of you listened to closely is the dr who theme and I'm gonna go back to your 2nd episode review here where you said no one paid attention to graham and everyone was focused on ryan and him being "afraid of ladders" maybe you forgot that in the first episode, the reason he cant ride a bike is that he has a developmental coordination disorder or dyspraxia. Please fact check yourself before making such claims and I hope I'll be agreeing or atleast you would provide solid counterpoints on your next reviews.
What the f happened to doctor who
Rajib Rahman Russell T Davies left....
2:13 That's not how human memory works. It's not like a camera. It remembers things in broad strokes and it's very context-dependent. Some fifty years later probably the most she'll get is a "for some reason you look vaguely familiar".
I actually enjoyed this episode.
must be the only one lol
Me too
9:32😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Same
I *kinda* liked it, but with a big emphasis on *kinda*.
You're right. Chibnall written episodes in the past always started with so much promises and the man could NEVER DELIVER! I mean Dinosaurs on a Spaceship really could've been magical, but the Chib could never close. So, why the hell the BBC gave him showrunner is well beyond me. If he leaves after series 12, so be it.
Charlie brooker should be the new show runner
Oh yes I’d love that!
I'd love Brooker to write an episode. He's already confirmed as a fan. I don't know if he should showrun a whole season though; it's supposed to get kids hiding behind the sofa but not to put them in counselling for years to come!
Charlie Brooker has already praised Jodie's Doctor on Twitter....and worked with her on Black Mirror....even if Chibnall left, she may stay if Brooker is involved.....He says he was asked to write for Who, but was too busy with Black Mirror
I'd prefer a Jodie Whitaker Doctor written by Charlie Brooker than a Jodie Whitaker Doctor written by Chris Chibnall; we've already seen that she's a better Doctor when written by a guest writer.
Agreed
Wow. So I know this season has had it's fair share of bad episodes, however, it's becoming more and more apparent that you are almost forcefully expecting it to be bad, so that's the only thing you see. It's like the opposite of rose tinted glasses... (shit tinted glasses?).
I pretty much disagree with most of your points except the acting, and how the monsters of this episode were a little disappointing. (even though I feel like it was done on purpose because it was aired on remembrance day, and those aliens were witnessing all the forgotten and unwitnessed deaths all around the universe).
Especially the ending with the "stupid music". I'm not sure if you noticed, but it was the doctor who music, but sung with an indian theme. I thought did a great job of tonally fitting the emotion that this story was trying to convey, even if you didn't think it achieved that.
Except he loved The Woman Who Fell To Earth. Maybe he genuinely doesn't like these episodes?
Thank you for summing up why this is the best episode of the season so far, the whole argument about wanting a larger scope with a battle etc just wouldn’t work for a story like this and given that the show doesn’t have the budget to match your Game of Thrones, it would only go to cheapen the intended effect of the episode.
How you could find the ending cringey is beyond me. One of the most touching moments of Dr Who.
Fuck no.
Chicken Nugget, A matter of personal opinion.
it was no vincent seeing people enjoying his art work with a touching monologue
I was with you until you said "One of the most touching moments of Dr Who."
First, it is 'Doctor Who,' and second, I have quite a few episodes you need to watch, because you seem to have missed them. This coming from someone who actually enjoyed this episode...
@@muzicdominator524 I know it's Doctor Who. I just assumed that everyone here would know what I was talking about if I shortened it.
And I've seen every episode (excluding missing episodes). Notice how I said "one of", there's several touching moments which span across over 55 years of the show. I never said this was the most touching moment ever.
The thing with old people is... Some of them reaaaally like to tell the same story over and over and over again. Not much of a surprise Yaz' nan does this.
Yeah. It would've been cool to see a little acknowledgement of that though, even if it was just Yaz nodding politely with a subtle "Yes we know, Gran" expression on her face...
@@irrevenant3 agree
In this episode the doctor goes to post Raj Pakistan and tricks her friends into gathering drug ingredients then cooks up meth.
The first person to cook up meth in Pakistan.
Doctor will snip at her companion to dare picking up a rifle against aggressive robot "snipers".
Doctor will not snip at an Indian soldier pointing his rifle at two aliens aggressively standing at a distance.
Is there really no bare minimum oversight over what a writer does with their script?
It dawned on me quickly that in this episode the Doctor and co. are there just to watch what happens. The aliens they encounter are, as it transpires, there just to watch too. And that's pretty much what they do. Remove the Doctor and the aliens and the plot is exactly the same. The problem then is that you have more of a period piece soap opera than a Doctor Who episode, like something that's on later at night on a BBC or ITV channel for a niche audience.
The aliens are so inconsequential that this is effectively the first "pure historical" episode in decades. I absolutely love history but always found that the problem with many pure historicals in Doctor Who was that there felt like little reason for the Doctor to be there, since the main reason was to see how real-world events played out. They weren't phased out in favour of "pseudo-historicals" for nothing.
The most interesting thing about this episode to me was the flashbacks to World War II, brief as they were - some of the only frontline events depicted in Doctor Who episodes if I'm right. But that's purely personal since I'm fascinated by World War history. I'd be better off watching a war film.
Sometimes the point of a Doctor Who story (especially the "pure historicals") is as "tourists" to an interesting moment in space or time. Personally I think this moment and story was rich enough to work with the Doctor and co. as passive observers.
It's just a shame it followed so closely on the heels of Rosa. The Doctor and her friends forced to observe a moment of inevitable history would've carried more clout if we hadn't just seen that exact same thing three episodes ago. Both are still individually strong episodes, but their proximity undermines it a little.
I've never understood what the message of this episode was supposed to be. If it's supposed to be "Partition was bad and it separated families" then your other options were: a) India staying geographically united and a civil war continuing for years and years with extreme loss of life for no reason or b) Staying part of the British Empire. Seems like none of the options are particularly great and it would have been cool to see that actually discussed.
7:32 The Thijarians explained their motives to the Doctor because there'd clearly been a misunderstanding, they meant no harm and wanted no further conflict with the Doctor. Seems pretty sensible to me.
I disagree, but I love this review. I actually preferred this episode to Rosa. Huh.
Anyway, some of your ideas are better than the normal episode's ideas. I do agree Father's Day was a lot better.
I don't get there current obsession with asking everyone be in a large group, it kinda removes all tension and is repetitive
It needs another hiatus
EDIT: the aliens in this were absolutely pointless, just remove them and focus on the doctor being more alien than just a mad Yorkshire-woman
TBH I think the reason for the group is testing which character dynamic works with the new Doctor. First Female Doctor after all I suspect they want to gauge audience response with each character before deciding the type they want to run with. However your right, my main issue is that it really undercuts the Doctors ability to do what she is most well known for (saving the day) due to half the episodes this year ending in tragedy so X can be preserved or X random can save the day.
theres literally at least 6 main characters every episode and its TERRIBLE. i feel like i still don't even know the doctor that well, and shes meant to be the main character, because there's so much time spent dividing nonsense expository dialogue and cringey forced backstory among all the others.
@SpankMeSanta I'd prefer graham, Ryan just seems cliche and thick
With them being in a big group they have to keep repeating what just happened to the people that weren't there and its getting really annoying. Its a nice idea having so many companions but it just doesn't seem to be working.
@SpankMeSanta Ryan...really?!
Hated this episode, so boring and another episode where humans are the 'real monsters.' (That made half the series when it aired.)
Maybe it made you feel nothing because it meant nothing to your history. But it did to mine. So I love it.
There is nothing wrong with humans being the villains. Not everything has to be a childish green slimy monster that eats people, sometimes we can have something more realistic.
@@creator1094 Your history has aliens in it?
O Doutor yeah I agree that maybe one or two episodes could have this idea but Doctor Who is a sci-fi show about aliens and monsters so when you take them away almost completely there will be some issues
O Doutor Yes, humans are monsters. But doctor who isn't really a show about human beings. These days people watch to see aliens and mostly fictional plotlines. If we wanted to know about the atrocities of humanity we'd read a history book lol
baiti is an Urdu word it means daughter. Its pretty common in Pakistan, may be that's why they used it.
You are HARSHHHHHH
I said the same thing in a comment on another review site. How does gran forget that a woman who looks exactly like Yaz was there on the most tragic day of her life?
A woman she met for two days, fifty years ago? It's not super-surprising that she doesn't connect that old memory with her granddaughter in modern Sheffield.
Heck, sometimes I'm doing well recognising someone from work if I bump into them in a different context. xD
@@irrevenant3 It wasn't just any ordinary day. It was the most defining moment of her life. Sorry, but I think I would remember anyone who was there and played such seminal part on the day my fiance was murdered by his own brother. Plus add in the fact that it was the day Pakistan was partitioned from India. This was too significant a day to forget, and it is clear gran did remember and just refused to talk about it because of the painful memories.
@@fje6902 I'm sure she remembers the events. I'm not convinced she'd remember the details of Yaz's face after all that time though.
But if you prefer to believe that Umbreen does recognise Yaz and is just keeping mum about it, that's a valid interpretation too.
This was probably my least favourite episode of Doctor Who, of all time. The Doctor might as well have not been in it. It’s as if the sci-fi elements were just shoehorned in.
Personally this is probably my favorite one in this series so far. Acting was good, writing was good, and I really liked the theme. Especially that the Aliens were actually not hostile for a change, but that it was instead humanity who were the hostiles. Nice touch. Don't get why you disliked the brothers so much, I thought their acting / relationship were one of the best things about this episode. Also you didn't really touch on the relationship they had with each other much at all, including their big brother, who died in the war. I feel that is a missed opportunity.
At this point you seem like you have already given up on the series, and your reviews seem fairly biased by this fact. So I don't bet you will have any "good" scores for the rest of this series, because I don't think it will change into whatever your dream version of doctor who is. I have been agreeing (mostly) with your reviews up to this point, however harsh they may be, but this is the first time i strongly disagree. I give this episode an 8/10.
Philip Møller it seems to me that he has a lot of biases especially when it comes to the 9th doctors episodes
Spiraling downward into a bottomless pit
The music at the end was beautiful!
Those aliens were entirely pointless....you take them out and the same shit would have happened. They honour the dead do they....so do we, they're called funerals.
The aliens do look like Deadric armour. I've been playing a lot of skyrim.
So this year we’ve had 3 major enemies - racism, businessmen, and now borders. Oh and we can’t forget bubblewrap and mud. Not gonna lie, if new enemies are introduced, I’d much prefer an episode like Blink or Midnight.
You forgot the Stenza. And (sigh) the Pting.
This is one complaint about the new series I tend to agree with. I actually like Chibnall's approach to not making aliens always the bad guys. (I liked it back in the "Cold Blood" two-parter, and "42" too). But we do need to throw *some* serious villains at the Doctor. Or if not villains, at least *challenges* - situations where she has to properly *earn* a victory. This season has been very weak for that.
Beti is the Hindi word for daughter, beta is the Hindi word for son. Yaz isn’t saying nanny either, she’s saying nani, short for nanijan [grandmother]. Although she is mispronouncing the Hindi by putting all the emphasis on “ni”.
1:25 Most incarnations of the Doctor have done the "We mustn't interfere... actually it turns out I can't help myself" thing. It seems unfair to criticise this episode for making Thirteen consistent with the character.
I actually really loved this episode but ye
Same
Oh dear, you’re either easily pleased or in year 3 at school
@@yussepig6629 What a random and toxic reply to a 2 year old comment. Thank you for adding your valuable opinion... wait no it's a pointless jab, never mind...
u clearly dont know how desi grandparents are bc mine literally tell me the same story every time i see them. they would move 2 england even tho they cracked our country in 2 bc they have jobs and money there. beti means daughter. also like if u see someone and then many many years later ur granddaughter looks like that girl ur not gonna think its the same like??? its just so improbable???
i usually can see ur pov in ur reviews but this time i have to 100% disagree. i cant speak for the acting because i didnt pay too much attention to that, but the story was pretty solid. might be because im indian so i understand the historical context and patel portrayed the emotion surrounding it very well. i feel like youre being unfair to this episode because you just want it to be bad so you can shit on doctor who in general. the music was also great and was the doctor who theme but a different, indian arrangement
My parents are from punjab and whenever I visit family in punjab they are still salty about the british empire. The only reason they moved to Britain was cause as you said job opportunities and an overall better life(which im very thankful for). Also personally I think its weird that they used the word bheti just cause its a hindu word and in my time in modern punjab if you accidentally say a word in hindi instead of punjabi they take the piss so hard (wish they had gone with another word of endearment that was actually used in punjabi). I think it would've been cool if yaz had been named after herself, like her grandma remembers the girl that helped save her life and decided to name her favourite grandchild after her.
I personally didn't think they did a super great job with the historical context as they really didnt go into the atrocities that happened they only mentioned them and didn't really delve into them (they focused more on the alien aspect). My grandma was alive during the partition she was in a sikh village that was surrounded by many muslim villages and she says how they all looted, pillaged and murdered so many people, that every night they lived in fear as they heard gunshots and men fighting. So yeah as someone descended from a survivor of that time I dont think theyve done a very good job. I also would assume with Yazs grandma living near the border they would've encountered people who had done the terrible things relatively quickly since they were so close by.
the biggest problem with this series atm, is that it doesnt feel like doctor who anymore..
most of the time i just forget im watching doctor who
The thing about Doctor Who is that it's constantly reinventing itself. If it doesn't feel like Doctor Who that probably means they're doing it right. :)
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Wouldn’t it have been interesting if there had been some mention of the common pain of the Thijarians and the Doctor having their entire planet and race destroyed? What if it turned out they had been allies of the Time Lords in the last Time War, or better yet, allies of the Daleks and it had been the Doctor herself who burned their world?
This is the first episode since the first one that I actually thought was good. The conflict between those two brothers was really heartbreaking having a brother that I disagree with a lot, I can see how things get out of hands.
If the aliens weren't evil why did they threaten to stand over people's corpses?
I can't believe you forgot to mention one glorious scene: The Doctor gets abducted by the thijiarians, right? And Ryan had been to their ship, ok? So The Doctor return to the barn and all 3 companions are there. They're sitting and waiting it out as their only lift home was taken by what they believe was the most violent race of assassins in the galaxy and no one did anything, aside from Yaz who smelt a flower. The series problem in one scene: you have a female Doctor, she has to do everything because you must show how great she is, so the companion are bloody turists.
i thought the music was super inept in this one, it just sort of hummed along without any regard for the tone or events on screen
I think I liked this episode the most this season. Not saying it's good, but it was better the rest have been...eesh
There's definitely something missing from doctor who now, no exciting music and the stories are too much telling not enough showing, this went from a sci-fi/drama to a drama/sci-fi
The Woman Who Fell to Earth: Hunting Animals Bad
The Ghost Monument: Weapons of Mass Destruction Bad
Rosa: Racism Bad
Aracnids in the UK: Pollution and Trump Bad
The Tsuranga Conundrum: (relatively apolitical just shit)
The Deamons of the Punjab: Nationalism and Boarders Bad
I just want to relax on Saturday evenings
I watch telly to take my mind off how shit the world is
Put politics in seldomly and try to say something original if you do so
With regards to the point around 2:30 can confirm Indian/Pakistani grandmas do this a lot
Custard creme dispenser?
*FUCKIN' GENIUS!*
Why would an old person keep repeating the same stories from their youth to family members?
You clearly haven't spent much time with old relatives.
Going to have to start titling your Doctor Who reviews “How much did it suck?”
Totally given up on this shite .
Sorry couldnt even sit through all the review either
That's, just, like... your opinion. Man.
You're reviewing a reviewer, you've become, a real boy!
Critiquing the critics, it's the end times baby.
I see what you mean the way ive worded it ,No I meant I couldnt stand listening to any more Doctor Who nonsense I apprecieate Harrys reviews my bad poorly worded
Beti means daughter or little one (for female) and Beta is for the boy. It's VERY common word in the South Asian languages, like Punjabi, Bengali and Hindi. Would've thought you would've got that dude haha 🤦🏽♂️
JAME MATHIESON, BRING JAMIE MATHIESON. Out of all those writers in the last few years, he was the only one that was consistently good with episodes like The Mummy on the Orient Express, Flatline, Oxygen and more or less The Girl Who Died (but I believe there he co-wroted with Moffat so that explains it).
Imo, he would have been the best choice and I'm sure there were better choices than Chibnall, but, oh, well, we needed a real crappy era of New Who as well.
Sorry Harry's Moving Castle, I think you are getting a bit too cynical, sounds like you need another holiday?
Havnt seen it but i will but from the sound of it from your description it lacks a lot of the context to the historical event...again.
Because yes imperialism was bad, obviously, but the partition was demanded and was an attempt to stop a civil war amd then both sides started ethnically cleansing each other while the UK had minimal troops there because...they were ending colonialism...which is good.
So what was the alternative to the partition? Actively starting a civil war. You can actually view the partition (done along religious lines) as an answer to the sykes picot agreement of ww1 that intentionally carved up the middle east to fight against itself perpetually. At least with the partition it was planned to zig zag around religious centres as much as possible. It was hard to predict locals would attempt to murder entire towns to impotently move that border but you cant account for human hate and greed i guess.
The episode *does* lack context, but probably no more than you would expect given how much story they had to fit into 50 minutes. It would've been nice to have more comprehensive background but it wasn't really practical under the circumstances.
With any luck the episode piqued interest in the period and inspired people to do a little googling about it after the episode was over...
Moffat appointed Chibnall as the new director of Doctor Who series 11, Steven Moffat is responsible for destroying Doctor Who.
The twist that the demons were just observers was a great idea.
No, it was not.
Its laughably bad.
This is the Highest Rated Chibnal-Who Episode, but it's objectively bad.
Real-Life-Humanity didnt learned about Literature for 1000+ Years so that we now have a spreading number of people claiming we dont know or you dont have to know basic Basics like 'Show, dont Tell' and all such and all similar. This Episode is 'objectively' bad. Mind the O-Word.
@@nenmaster5218 I was talking about the idea. Not the episode. Your reply was ‘objectively’ bad. Mind the O
Said it before and I’ll say it again. Mandip Gill has no business being on screen. I’ve seen child actors give better performances than her…
Completely agree with your review, this series has been crap
Don't you wonder how the Moff feels about this season?
After years of being demonized for not being a super-writer (or something) he gives the show that he *obviously* loves to Chibnall, & it rather predictably isn't nearly as good.
I'm pissed because we got a great actress, & our first female Doctor & Chibnall's wrecking it. My daughter keeps asking why there's *NOTHING* connecting the stories together anymore, & she's declared it "boring." (And is currently rewatching 11&12 right now.)
I wonder if he feels vindicated, or just really sad. (& After stepping in last yr, to save Doctor Who's Christmas spot...oh yeah, we don't get that this year. What?)
I'd argued for years with people that Moffat might have moments I didn't like-but, on the whole I found his writing intelligent and full of imagination. He was witty & seemed to enjoy meeting fans -unless/until they got nasty. He gave us some great monsters & great Doctor Who lore. (Plus he brought in some truly fantastic guest writers, like Neil Gaiman.) I really hope that there's some really hungry, clever, screenwriter, Doctor Who fan who would accept the pressure and spotlight of running Doctor Who & that the BBC finds & hires them.
I really don't want to have this fantastic series end with Jodie.
Plus, I'd like to see what a GOOD writer could do with her. (& These companions, they've grown on me & I'd love to see them all acting their faces off!)
You and that Bowlestrek chap (with his friend who commentates with him) need to do a special episode together for the finale!
ShamockParticle
Nah bowlestrek is awful
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But what about his cohost, I believe her name is Toni?
What's bad is the doctor of candy floss and Lego doing marriages without a licence.
This was by far one of the best Dr Who episodes I've seen in a long time, the music was outstanding.
What annoyed me is that the Doctor was able to bring them within a date of the wedding... without knowing the date.
The Tardis is telepathic, which would explain why it would be able to get there in particular.
Does the stupid pose the Doctor pulls every time she uses the sonic annoy anyone else?
Schady200 Thank you!
I wasn't keen on the previous 2 weeks like you, but this is just nitpicking.
nic briggs would have been an amazing show runner im serious hes just an amazing writer check out his big finish if you can
I strongly disagree with you on this one. Which surprises me because I’ve agreed with you on everything so far. This was one of the best so far in my opinion. I loved the aliens for once and felt like they finally had a purpose and the story was beautifully told. The acting was genuine and the ending was heartfelt. What I do agree with though is that the Doctor can’t for the life of her stay consistent and it bugs the living hell out of me. I hate her character and she bores me half to death. It was a good episode for once but it’s not gonna save the season or her portrayal. Also little nitpicking but the song over the credits was actually the Doctor Who theme but in the Indian singing style. Listen to it back and you’ll hear it. Didn’t think some would miss that.
I feel like half your arguements are you issues not issues wrong with the story or the execution in general.
I love that you call the sonic screwdriver the “Sonic Plot Advancer”
I think most people know what Chekhov's gun is and don't need to Google it.
This episode is alright but in the context of this season it's a masterpiece
The timeline in this ep doesn't add up. They travel back 70 years and meet Umbreen when she's, what, 18?
That would make her in her late 80s in present day. When did she have a child, and when did Yaz's Mum give birth to her?
There're a couple of big gaps. It's almost like there's a generation missing
I'm sorry but you don't understand the situation with the marriage. The reason that The Doctor is fine with them getting married, is because even if they weren't there, they would have gotten married, so something obviously happened, therefore she does not interfere. Also it seems like your just trying to find things to complain about
First Episode that evil white man isn't the villain!
Wait... they blamed Britain for everything because... they gave India independence?
TnT FoX shut up they didn’t give them independence. They withheld their independence for centuries.
First time I've 100% disagreed with you. Execution was spot on for me, not sure how the acting was bad and I dunno how you saw this so differently than me. It almost feels like you didn't even want to like it and went in ready to hate it. Or you wanted to entertain an audience. Which is fine. But disappointing. Your reviews up until now seemed to have legitimate complaints, but I suppose they were legitimately bad mostly too. Oh well
I agreed with him. Thought the acting was extremely straight forward and 1 dimensional. Then again, personal preference.
@@julius-ceasar eh? :)
Erm - just because you don’t agree with someone doesn’t make them wrong or bad. This review has pretty legit arguments. Script is bad - acting is clunky - the whole thing is rife with plot holes and the episode really had no reason to exist at all. It only served as development for Yaz, and that’s all gone out the window already after episode seven. This episode is a poorly written shitfest of half baked concept and political messages shoe-horned in, with the exception of Kablam.
@@montyswift5661 What do you even mean by political? Doctor who has always incorporated political issues.
@@TeknoSquirrel Yeah, subtlety and wasn't every episode. Series 11: in your face cringey feminism/diversity "symbolism" every episode so far
I found yesterday's episode surprisingly enjoyable. Then again I might be biased cause I liked the design of the robots.
To be fair about the whole non-interference thing. It isn't the first time the Doctor has said not to interfere then proceeded to immediately interfere. One episode that comes right to mind is _The Beast Below_ The 11th Doctor tells Amy about how he is an observer only and never getting involved, of course the Doctor immediately gets involved. So I don't really have all that much issue with the same thing being brought up here.
About "why does she tell them things they should already know?" Yes, the exposition is a bit clunkily done, and it's weird that she's saying all of it...but... My mom & dad were depression era parents. And despite the fact that we had grown up with them and heard it, repeatedly, they both tended to state facts about their lives over and over. Like, my mom had grown up quite poor, and my dad was also poor but for him it was mitigated by living near a bakery where he could get some day old bread cheap & he had a paper route.
I cannot count how many times I was told this! And they both knew they'd said it before... Not sure why people of that time repeated some things, maybe just to emphasize things they felt helped define them?
Why did the Doctor instantly trust some of the greatest assassins in the galaxy because they said they were innocent?
You make very valid points for most of the review, but my answer to the part where you asked what was so honorable about storing a bunch of peoples' dna in a jar, my argument is: what is so honorable about putting people in a box and just burrying it?
I agree with almost all of your points, and there's one specifically which annoyed me. This was when you called out the doctor for not doing anything when Yaz's nan is marrying a different guy. Well, I understand that the doctor just appeared to let it happen, the doctor doesn't want to accidentally change history. In Rosa, there was a clear threat which would change history majorly, and the doctor needed to rectify it. In this episode, the doctor is aware that it is likely that the guy yaz's nan would die or something anyway. The doctor is waiting to see what happens. Besides, the doctor cant just barge in there and say "you cant marry this man" blah blah blah. I agree that the thijarians are cool though, I love their design. The one thing I will say about this episode is WHY do we still have aliens who aren't completely evil???? There's normally an invasion of earth this far into the series but nope nope nope.