My Second Attempt at a 2015 Redraft
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- čas přidán 30. 07. 2022
- I did this one two years ago, but things change quickly when the draft is that recent, so here is another take.
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This draft class had like 10 players that could have gone first during a different draft year. Insane
Nothing wrong with being drafted at 4, you're darn right!
Speaking as a former competitive swimmer, being picked 4th for the National team would have worked great for me. Less pressure to perform and if you do end up doing well, nobody sees you coming and you get far more recognition for your accomplishments. Shane Wright is too dumb and arrogant for his own good. Being drafted 1st just means that chances are, you'll never reach anyone's expectations of you. People expect that a 1st overall pick is going to tear it up the moment they get into the NHL and for the next 10-15 years, and if they don't, they're instantly cast as a bust and I'm sure you would feel that pressure and disappointment as a hockey player. When I went to Olympic Trials in 2000 and finished 4th in the 100 Freestyle in Montreal, it was no fun going back to school because everyone expected that I would medal. Having those kinds of unrealistic expectations can destroy a person.
@@christhornycroft3686 I think you just wanted to tell people you are a swimmer with this reply hahahaa
@@christhornycroft3686 lmao 🤣
@@christhornycroft3686 nobody cares or is reading that fucking essay lmao
The Avs love drafting at 4; Cale Makar, Bo Byram.
Brock Boeser: the 30 goal scorer who’s never actually scored 30 goals
That's funny because it's true. A guy who averages 30 goals per year over an 82 game season but has never scored 30.
one year maybe he'll play 80 games.
I have a feeling you'll see that change this year.
Reminds me of Matthews before this season. Because of 2 covid seasons and a few injuries he had never scored 50, despite having many 50 goal paces and a 65 goal pace. Thats why some called him the first 60 goal scorer to never score 50, lol.
@@richardferguson6893 how’s that feeling right now 😂
Konecny being left out doesn’t really make sense. He’s had multiple 50 point seasons while someone like Zacha hasn’t even cracked 40 points once
Agreed, I would have taken Konecny over a lot of those players.
@NaPo7 terrible defence as well
fr, theres no way Zacha is first rounder, while Kylington isnt
@NaPo7 konecny is no where near being a third liner what are you smoking
same with beauvillier
As a finn this draft year was nuts, so many good finns and a lot of them were drafted lower and proved they are elite
Then the next year Puljujärvi and Juolevi were selected in the top 5 😂
I still can't believe Aho went 35th.
@@HockeyfanCaps 🦬Pulju > Laine > Matthews 😌
And we were able to enjoy them playing together in WJC with many other upcoming NHL players.
The Finns have been rocking the player development. Will the Finn Winger become as sure a thing as the Swede Defence man? Only time will tell…
You should consider doing occasional redrafts using only round 2+ picks. See who found the best players later in the draft.
That’s a good idea!
I wonder where Eichel will land on the Third Attempt
💀💀
Maybe not too far. This season will be 8th from the draft. If you think about teams and hindsight, maybe Philly would pass because he wouldn't help a rebuild, but I don't think he drops below SJ or BOS, both of them could have used his skills immediately.
Depends on how healthy he is. He's got potential to be the #2 play from this draft but is always hurt.
The real question is where does Connor McDavid land?
Probably second because the recency bias won't have two injured seasons.
Man Boston's 3 straight picks mid-first round in this draft could've been franchise changing. Tough stuff
If they simply took the next 3 picks off the board they'd be a dynasty by now
Loving these redrafts! They're fun
Agree with the top 10. Kaprizov is gonna explode next year, even more so than this year.
If he can get to the US
@@salavecis2 he will be fine
@@salavecis2 He's already playing with the rest of the Wild! 😎🍻🏒🤘
Mangiapane is 6th rounder who ends up in the first round, truly impressive. But what is also incredible is that there are so many Flames that had their career seasons under Sutter.
You know this is a good NHL draft when you have THG going back to his notes more than 2 times and making sure he has the players on the right spot!
I like it when you put the original selections on the board as well so we can see how things changed
Mikko is my favourite Av since Joe Sakic. He better never go anywhere.
Nice seeing Terry on the board. He kept showing flashes of potential and was awesome to see him break through this year.
Yes rantanen isn't disrespected anymore
I think 2, 3 and 4 all have an argument for either spot. So anywhere in there is not disrespectful to him.
Rantanen is truly deserving of his Top 10 spot in the uber-stacked class!
My hat is off to you for doing these on the fly, and not working it all out off camera. You bring so much great hockey content to the dog-days of summer. Thanks, for doing these.
Everyone forgets that all the superstars in the game has another superstar to compliment them while Kirill Kaprizov has no superstar alongside him. That alone testifies to how dominant he is!
Same with Eichel to be fair
Yea him and Eichel. The latter had no one and a 50% functional neck. Well, and a bad attitude if it matters💀
Kinda same with Ovechkin, Kuznetsov is a great player but not a superstar, and Backstrom isn’t superstar anymore
@@Mcbikey24 Not trying to take anything away from Ovechkin, he's the greatest goal scorer of all time, but I don't see the comparison here.
Backstrom is a future HoF'er in his own right. Sure he's not quite what he used to be (still very productive mind you), but at this point he doesn't need to be when all of Washington are relentlessly feeding Ovi so he can catch Gretzky.
Again, I'm a huge Ovi fan and I think he'll go down as a top 5 all time player, but Eichel or Kaprizov would kill to have Backstrom for their whole careers.
@@thegourmetgolfer5544 I thought we talking last season, ofc Backy is amazing, but he was injured a lot last season and when he played he wasnt on superstar level
Looking through this draft class and it really is reminiscent of 2003. Amazing how deep it is.
Love the content as always THG. An idea for the next time you do a redraft add their original pick next to them. I know you state their original pick, but it would be cool to see the numbers and the craziness that is the NHL draft!
Pretty accurate list, but Timo Meier is way too low imo
True, if recency bias is putting Kaprizov at 2 and dropping Eichel that far. Timo was the best player on a bad sharks team and just put up his best season
Very solid draft, this can change crazy from year to year. Gotta take a look at it again in like year 10-12.
I'm sure one of the reasons you enjoy the redrafts is the research and seeing some things you might have missed watching the games. It's what I really appreciate about these. And it's nice to see a Flyer drafted in the first round that stays in the first round in the redraft.
I love these redrafts. Really shows me how amazing Avs are at drafting. Also with some serious luck mixed in with other teams choking picks in front of the Avs
This is the best draft of all time no question
There have been some amazing players drafted at 4th overall. Nothing wrong with falling there. It also gives him a chance to prove that being overlooked was a poor decision.
You need to do a 2009 redraft, picking from all rounds!! There were SO MANY good players!
As someone who got back into hockey a couple years ago, I had not realized how stacked this draft was. Holy moly, likely gonna be a few HOFamers
Hearing "This is an excellent draft" kills me as a Bruins fan
It reminds me of the Sidney Crosby draft. Sabres had just as good odds as the Pens. And the Sabres drafted the GOAT - Marek Zagrapan.
love these vids, all of them are so interesting
I always love some Chabot Appreciation
Crazy how good this draft is. Multiple top 6 forwards and top 4 defenseman don’t fit in just 30 picks. I’m happy this draft lived up to my personal expectations, mcdavid lived up to the hype. I thought every 1st rounder was gonna be a quality player and there was no wrong pick. Boston might’ve proved me wrong with their 3 1sts but still got Carlo. Mostly every team has a nhler from this draft. Mangiapane and Troy terry just broke out and in his 2nd season kaprizov is already the best LW in hockey. Every season that passes this class keeps getting better.
The 2015 NHL draft class is a gift that keeps on giving! It's definitely a great time to be a fan! Let's enjoy it while they are still playing! 🤣💪🍻🤘🏒
Wow, Hanafin, Andersson, Mangiapane. Flames did really well this draft, even tho that they had no 1st OAs
Hanifin was traded to Calgary from Carolina
@@Arttu_Viinikka right. In the Dougie trade
Shannon, great work as per usual and I love the consistent effort invested into your channel. That being said I’m curious as to rationale that you / viewers would have for leaving Konecny off the list
Everyone from Crouse down could arguably be replaced by Konency. Crouse lacks offensive upside, Stromer is finally consistently logging points after disappointing in Arizona, Roslovic is a Swiss Army knife but limited, and Zacha / Roy are honestly both hipster picks who only recently became notable.
Meanwhile, Konecny has been in the league for 6 seasons. His rookie season was fine but he’s otherwise had 4/6 seasons in which he was a consistent 20G / 30A player who can play anywhere in your top 9. His one truly “down” year came during the covid year when we knew after the fact that he was expecting a child which, planned or not, can weigh on a player. Other than that I get there’s questions to defensive game and compete level but his offensive upside and natural instinct for the net is totally present.
Love this series
Can you do a 2011 Redraft please :) thanks for all the uploads during the off season!
why he ignore 2011, dats one of the interesting updrafts
Conor Garland is my favorite player from this list, and to have Crouse and Strome, 3 Coyotes players, is amazing. Garland has worked his way up to be featured here. At the time, there's no way he would have been drafted anywhere near the first round. He may have been leading the QMJHL in scoring, but to go first round in such a stacked draft class? I still think that it will be a few more years before we get the best sense of who came out winners from 2015.
This redraft, once again, drives home how poorly Boston drafted in 2015. Man they could have really cleaned up.
not to mention trading 5th round pick which became kaprizov
They should have been winning more Cups had they not botched this draft. Just hitting on two of the three would have made a huge difference.
#1 still CM97, #2 KK97.
Also, thank you Boston for that 5th round draft pick, Minnesota got a 5th in 2015 (Kirill Kaprizov) for a 5th in 2016 (Cameron Clarke)
Boston has a bit of a reputation for trading 5th round picks that turn into franchise players (Kaprizov, Jamie Benn)
"Breaking news Jack eichel is now wearing 97 with the Vegas Golden knights"
@@philcanselmo9436 JE97 Let's Go
@@ianzang2178 from now on, I will always watch whatever 5th Round Pick Boston trades.
As a Wild fan, that is a fair assessment! 🍻 I look forward to a future playoff battle between the #97s (preferably in a Conference Final)! 🏒
Can't wait for a few years where Detroit's players move up in the draft stock vs dropping off the board. Holland consistently had poor drafting at the end of his tenure. Everyone high is underperforming and there are few if any stealsp
To be fair John, Ken doesn't scout the players, he represented the team.
Barzal at #9 is very fair. When hes free to be creative he is absolutely insane.
Eichel was still essentially PPG while being injured. Just goes to show how good he really is even while coasting, and I still think he's the best player in the 2015 draft behind Connor McDavid.
It's hilarious seeing ppl say the dumbest shit about Eichel lmao Eichel is world class hockey player
He's never taken his game to the level of McDavid, Kaprizov, Rantanen or Marner. He may still reach that level, but for now I'd have him 5th
@@thegourmetgolfer5544 he's better than all of them except mcdavid & they all have something in common they all have teams around them
@@HoweyJR_ Kaprizov reached+100 pts/47G with Hartman and Zuccarello. Eichel had Vegas this year and showed a complete regression. I'll chalk it up to the surgery for now, but he still hasn't proved he's better than those guys
@@thegourmetgolfer5544 Eichel was playing with an injured hand while still recovering from his surgery. Even through all that, he was PPG. He's in a totally different league beyond Rantanen and Kaprizov.
Zucc and Hartman are competent NHLers. Eichel was playing with who exactly and still scored 80+ a season? He had Hall for the one year. lol
Good fun, keep them coming.
I get absolutely giddy when I remember we got kirill in the 5th round. I mean I get the whole fear about trying to pry russian players away from the khl but the fact we managed to get him that deep in the draft is nuts. I put it in the tom brady category of pick brilliance.
Possibly one of the greatest draft STEALS in NHL if not in pro-sports history! If Kirill remains healthy, has at least 5 seasons with a hundred or more point outputs and a handful of deep playoff runs (with at least one of them yielding a Stanley Cup - of course hopefully with the Wild 🙏), he'll be a HOF caliber player easily...
And just remember, we got that pick from a trade with Boston, it just took our 5th the year after.
Excellent Job in the REAL WORLD ... Always take the best player available ..
I was sitting here wondering when you were gonna put Joel EE on the board and was horrified until you rearranged it
Ooh Cernak in Vancouver would've been very nice (like Boeser too, but he's the ilk of D-man that we'd love to trade for now)
I am getting strong Bob Ross vibes from Shannon since he said "you know what" before scribbling down a name. I thought he was going to draw a "tree that lives right there".
I remember that I was critical of Rantanens position last time. Nww it looks better🙂
I honestly have a feeling that Hintz will have a better career than Eichel and Barzal due to his 2-was game and playing with Robertson.
Eichel falling that far is a hot take but I love it, injury issues and attitude issues are definitely a issue with Jack....
Looking at the players above him, I think it isn't a hot take. He just got passed.
Poor defensive play as well.
Insane draft.
We are living in the 2015ers era now! Enjoy it while they are still playing! 😁🍻🏒
That’s wild DeBrusk wasn’t a Top 30 Player, 2 years ago.. 🤯
Was into Hockey, took a break. After quit playing. Got back in it gambling, this year. You could argue, Swayman and DeBrusk were the best Goalie/ Defenseman Pair, in 24 Playoffs.. or Oettinger/ Heiskanen
We love them. But at the same time sometimes glad it went the way it did originally 🤣🤣🤣😋
This is from 2022. Knowing Jack Eichel wins the cup with Vegas. He probably goes 3 to Arizona because hes a Centre
I have a feeling we’ll need a part 2 of the 2017 re-draft since it was so recent
For a team that had no first round pick, Flames did a terrific job in drafting and trading which landed them three of the players on the list. They couldn’t keep Fox so got the best out of his deal. Tkachuk trade will also prove to be a win for Flames in the long run.
Are you actually going to continue this into 2004 unlike last time. I was so geared up for Ovi v Malkin and you stopped at 2005
Nice to see Roy get some love, he in my opinion is the most underrated Defensmen in the NHL, the guy is damn near a unicorn his fancy stats are excellent his regular stats are fantastic and the eye test confirms the stats, he's been called " Steady Eddy" though I think that under sells him and his game I prefer to think of him as "Steady Borderline Elite Eddy" also that rookie class he was a part of was magic for D, 2 elites (Makar & Fox) 2 borderline elites (Roy & Hughes) and 5+ really good d-men (Marino,Bear,Gavrikov,Lindgren, and Fabro) as well as Soucy and Phillip Myers (who still has potential) just a bunch of talent on the back end that rookie class
@NaPo7 Roy and Hughes are the same player at opposite ends of the spectrum, Hughes is elite offensively underrated defensively, Roy is elite defensively underrated offensively, Roy is a 25-30 point (82 game pace) guy yet for some reason people think he has no offense. He may not be as good offensively as Hughes but Roy will get 200 hits and 150 blocked shots Hughes won't, neither will Marino and Roy has fantastic possession #'s and to be honest the Norris outside of the last 2 seasons hasn't necessarily been a great measure of defensive acumen, irrespective to my opinion that was still a fantastic group of defensmen
I still think Jack Eichel is a phenomenal hockey player. Hopefully this year in Vegas he can really show the league what he’s got. He had a couple of crazy good seasons in Buffalo despite being on such bad teams.
Hate his poutiness, but he is certainly a top three in talent for this draft. The guy has had horrible linemates over his career. Skinner was his best winger, unless you consider a mostly washed-up Taylor Hall.
@@jeffreym.8957 ya he definitely has some attitude issues. As an oilers fan I hope he can start up a long awaited rivalry with Connor this year, since I think Vegas and Edmonton will be competing for that top spot in the Pacific
2:00 I don't think the cat agrees lol
Very wise man shannon is putting the leafs in the thumbnail
2016 nexxxttt, love the videos and all the amazing content. p.s. my BETX account was suspended the second i made some money, do you have any ideas for a fix????
Matthew tkachuk
I can’t believe the talent in this class!!!! I mean as a oilers fan Mcdavid is the best but any of the top 10 are amazing
McDavid definitely earned his #1 position in the uber-stacked 2015 class! If only the Oilers can clean and tighten up the back end some more, Edmonton should be able to make a proper run or two at the Cup while McDavid and Drai are in town! Cheers from a Wild fan... 🍻
PS: Looking forward to a future Conference Final between our teams one day! The battle of the #97s will be one of the main storylines in such a match-up! 😁
I am a sharks fan so I'm gona be biased, but I'd have Timo Meier higher because he still scored 76 points and 35 goals in 77 games on a pretty awful Sharks team that couldn't find ANY goal scoring
Love the background cat grooming lol
I don’t like Eichel that much but holy have opinions soured on him THAT much.
Holy christ what a draft🔥
Enjoyed the video,only thought is why you were debating Marner or Eichel at 4 but then let Eichel drop further down? If Eichel should go here was your argument how is he not 5th by default?
Love your cat man
Aho going 35th is insane when you look back at it.
Imagine Bergeron and Cirelli as top two centers.
Until he gets healthy, you can’t justify Eichel in the Top 5. However, talent-wise I’d say he’s the second best player in this draft.
I don't know about that. Kaprizov makes middling players look like stars. Eichel could not even elevate his own teammates when he was in Buffalo. Hell, they IMPROVED once he was gone!
The one recent draft you should make this video for every year
You should do a 2003 re draft Shannon!
I got a feeling Boeser is gonna be a lot higher on people's lists by the end of the year
1. McDavid 2. Kirill 3. Marner 4. Rantanen 5. Eichel 6. Aho 7. Conner 8. Zach Werenski 9. Chabot 10. Barzal 11. Anthony Cirelli 12. Hintz 13. Provarov 14. Meier 15. Hanifin 16. Ek
Putting Karill Kaprisov at #2 is a bit weird. I am not saying his point production and overall impact on the team isn't worth it, but we do need to consider how late he entered the league. Is it optimal to draft someone in 2015 and have them start their first season in 2020-21 at 24 years old? I'd have to imagine Marner's or Rantanen's contributions amount to more than that.
It's not based on contributions so far, or Eichel wouldn't have fallen so much, if at all.
I think what THG is trying to do is, if you know everything about these guys at this point in time, who would you be drafting right now for the future? I think that is the interpretation.
Who would you take now? It isn't like either one of those two led their team to a Cup while Kaprizov was still in Russia. Also, Marner and Rantanen play with Matthews and McKinnon, so they aren't even the best player on their line.
@@jefflarson1652 "It isn't like either one of those two led their team to a Cup" => Ugh... Rantanen won a cup. His points totals are ridiculous.
I think it is very important to recognize that Karill could have really helped the Wild much earlier, but he just wasn't there. That matters.
Also McDavid hasn't won a cup and he's 1st. Why do you have such flaky criteria for?
@@jefflarson1652 Why is that the only criteria, and what delay is the cut-off point where you finally account for availability? 26? 29? 33? Player availability is a massive criteria to look at here, especially since both players were extremely impactful in their entire career - they didn't take very long to get going at all. Rantanen had a massive impact on winning a cup in Colorado as well.
@@Katie-hb8iq I would think player availability can only be judged when they're all done playing, but maybe that's just me.
Spot on top 5
Kyle Connor is one of the most underrated players in the NHL.
Aho is THE most UNDERRATED in the league. Both players are underrated because they both play on the defensive side of the puck as well. They just don't go out there and score. I would say they are the two best ALL-ROUND players in the draft.
@@dealy9268Aho isn't underrated
(If you asked me 3 years ago, I would've agreed)
you could put 234 in any order and there's an argument for it. insane draft
Sad Bruins noises.
I would love to have Kyle Connor on the Devils!
this draft is stacked
Some quibble, but I would draft Chabot before Eichel today without a second thought
1. McDavid
2. Kaprizov
3. Marner
4. Rantanen
5. Eichel
6. Aho
7. Connor
8. Barzal
9. Boeser
10. Hintz
Can you do most hard working players list?
Sabres didn't need to skip on Eichel for Kirill Kaprizov, they just needed to hired Adams and Granato, slap the C on ROR and not trade for Kane and keep those pieces
Hell of a draft year
Fitting you mention two of the best drafts 2015 and 2003 and the Rangers didn’t have a pick in 2015 and picked THE no show of 2003.
Konecny is the big one I’d have in the 1st round still. Definitely over Zacha, Crouse, and Carlo.
Boesers numbers are very similar to Meier... not sure why hes behind Terry, Eriksson-ek, and Mangiapane.
When its all said and done, i wouldnt be shocked to see Eichel fall out of the top 10.
looking back on this after the year Hintz had, id argue Hintz would go above Barzal for sure, and arguably even Chabot. The guy has been a game breaker and a playoff machine.
I still think Columbus would take Werenski if they had it to do over again. The jackets traded with Toronto for the 27th pick planning to take Roslovic and were surprised when Winnipeg took him at #25. So the Jackets selected Gabriel Carlsson instead (big mistake). A few picks later, Carolina took Aho. Jarmo was criticized for that move at the time. His response was "I can't select a guy solely based on what country he's from" as Kekalainen and Aho are both from Finland. That's one of very few mistakes Jarmo has made.
I think Konecny shouldve definitely been drafted
Marner has outscored Rantanen four seasons in a row and five of six total...How much of Rantanen being top 3 is a result of the recent cup win?
Great list , however I take Garland over Terry. Terry was a beast earlier in the year , but I feel like Getzlaf passing really helped him , I am not sure we will see him produce the same way next season.
super agree with kaprizov at #2
wow! what a draft is right!
Love ya Shannon, but are you watching the Flames games? I'm not a Flames fan, but Rasmus Andersson should go much higher. He's the do everything all the time guy for the Flames. I would put him 10th.