Nightwing's Biggest Failure | Batman: Prodigal (The Knightfall Aftermath Pt. 1)
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- Was Dick Grayson a good Batman? It's time to find out in Batman: Prodigal!
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I loved it when he became Batman in Morrison’s run, it was just so cool!
I believe the reason why Two faces last name was changed from Kent to Dent is so people wouldn't think he's related to Superman, because you know, Clark Kent.
Loved seeing your take on Prodigal! I think it’s a really interesting story and seeing Dick take on the mantle of the Bat is done very well in my opinion. The conclusion of the story in Robin #13 might be my favourite Batman moment ever! The idea of Bruce not feeling as if he had the right to call Dick back after everything, even though Dick was willing to do anything for him, lends so much depth to the characters.
Its a very human and engaging relationship. These two men truly love each other as father and son, but in different and similar ways they're very poor at getting their respective affection for one another through.
Dick Grayson for me has always been better as Batman, he's not driven by revenge, he just wants to help the innocent and that's it. Bruce became Batman his only life goal, that's why he would never be happy if Batman exists. I love when Dick and Bruce talk heart to heart, the only moment similar that had happened before was on Batman #416, when Jason as Robin meets Nightwing for the first time. Prodigal was definitely an important moment for Dick Grayson and a must-read for any Nightwing fan. Marvellous work as always Salazar.
8:00 I love how Adrian von Ziegler's music changed the mood of the video.
Battle for The Cowl, proved that Grayson was more than deserving of the mantle..
So excited to hear what you have to say about this one! Barely anyone talks about it and after reading it myself I have mixed feelings honestly. My favorite part was the "one night in the war zone" issue
Hopefully you liked what I have to say!
@@SalazarKnight Either way as long as you keep making videos, we'll keep watching 😎
Great video as always. Dick as Batman is such a interesting dynamic and it's interesting to see how he adapts to it over the years (trying to be like Bruce and having a identity crisis in Prodigal, but later becoming more comfortable with being Batman during the Morrison era).
Btw your videos are always a real joy to watch. Keep going man! :)
And your comments are always a real joy to read. Thank you.
Sal my dude, once again another great video. What's funny is I just recently finished collecting this arc. I'm looking forward to when you eventually get up to the Cataclysm/Aftershock/No Man's Land era.
Great video! Thanks for opening my mind about Robin. Can't wait for part 2 :)
I'm not against Dick Grayson as Batman (he had some great stories like Dark Mirror) but I this goes against his development as a independent hero. The whole point of him becoming Nightwing is a representation of Dick finally stepping out of Batman's shadow and taking his own identity as hero. He becoming Batman feels more like a regression of all this evolution he went through. That's why the best Batman successors after Bruce are or should be Terry Mcginnis, Tim Drake or Damian Wayne, since they wanted to continue Batman's legacy (specially Tim Drake, who wanted to be a detective).
I agree. It's interesting because even Dick himself seems to become disillusioned with being Batman by the end of the storyline.
Hey Salazar, I just wanted to say I love your content! I watched these videos everyday while working out in 2020. Your knowledge of Batman made me want to know more about the character. You introduced me to the likes of Norm Breyfogle, Jim Aparo, and others. Keep up this high quality stuff!
Thank you! This is the best comment of the day!!
Thanks for another great video. I love Batman and enjoy learning new things from you. I collect Batman things. Appreciate your hard work.
You're welcome! I enjoy making these videos, even if they don't get that many views.
sal , my man, youre the best in ur own way
Two face holding a chainsaw is GOATed.
I am so happy I found your amazing videos!
You seem to have a deep love for this era of Batman & before - my favorite era!
I’ve loved reliving these moments that made me fall in love with the world of Batman & learning some things I wasn’t aware of as well - all super exciting.
Thanks for doing what you do 👍
It's my birthday today perfect timing to release the video
Happy Birthday! Hope you enjoy your day!
Thank you
Awesome video. You've hit all the points I've always wanted to see brought up by others that I saw. You should seriously consider getting in contact with Chuck Dixon! He's got plenty to talk about this era.
great analysis, i love your narrative.
Amazing, of course- your videos are unparalleled in terms of Bat-analysis!
Another great video, great analysis!
Do they ever explain why Batman's suit goes from blue and grey to black after Knightfall?
You must be psychic, because that's exactly the topic for my next video!!
@@SalazarKnight Thanks for replying.
Excellent video as always my friend.
Thank you!
Prior to Nightwing helping Batman at the end of Knightfall, Dick was a real jerk in the Teen Titans comics. Batman Parodical returned Dick Grayson to the way how we love him, "traught, whelmed, and feeling the aster."
I had these comics. They were great. I miss this story telling.
3:30 Mistaken identity. You gotta love comic book logic. Two Face can easily be mistaken for a number of burn victims 😂
It's been a while since I've read Prodigal, but I remember enjoying it, especially the end where Bruce and Dick finally talk and reconcile. While I like Dick best as Nightwing, I can't help enjoying his stints as Batman (Morrison's run being one of my favorite Batman/Batfam stories).
Black Mirror, and Grant Morrison's Batman and Robin (the first three issues) are some all time favorites of mine.
I don't know about you all, but to me Bruce is Dicks dad, same with Jason and Tim because when they're parents died it was Bruce's responsibility to take care of them. Dick, Jason, and Tim are just as much Bruce's sons as Damian is. I feel the same way about Aunt May from Spider-Man, and Ma and Pa Kent in Superman.
100% Agree
Their his surrogate father. It’s like how Alfred will never be Bruce’s father
@@leopardtree2249 I don't care if Bruce and Dick are adopted, Alfred is Bruces dad and Bruce is Dicks dad!
Great video! It’s always good to see dick as Batman. Him as Batman in the Batman reborn run is still one of my favorite
Great video. I loved prodigal
When I saw the line some kind of monster with Killer Croc I had to cut this video off and blast St Anger
Another great review! Keep it up!
Hi Salazar Knight I have been watching all your videos about Batman And this is probably too big of request but I have been wanting to read some old Batman stuff because Batman is my favorite fictional character so is it okay if you can give me a reading order for all the Batman comics you have read so far ( Detective Comics 27- Batman prodigal) I know this is probably too much but I just want to see if not I still love your videos and you're probably one of my favourite youtubers have a good day.
Such a polite comment. But yeah, it's a big request and it's not really possible. I will give a definitive answer to this request in a future Q&A video. Again, thanks for the nice comment. It really made my day.
This was one of the first sagas that I read and I like it very much. After all the crusade and batazrael stuff I think things got better with prodigal
WOULD YOU COVER WHEN BRUCE WAYNE WAS ROBIN OR WHEN BRUCE BECOMES THE FLYING FOX IN A SUPERBOY STORY?
Salazar talked about Bruce being the first Robin back in the Silver Bat series check out the channel. As for Bruce being "The Flying Fox" since that happened in a Superman title he probably won't. I actually didn't know that happened till now.
I think the reason why Dick Grayson works as Batman is similar to why Terry McGinnis or Tim Drake works as Batman. They are Heroes, putting aside personal vendettas and seek to save lives before vengeance comes to the picture. They honor Bruce without taking his obsessive weakness as their own shortcomings.
Gr8 character synopsis of both Grayson and Bruce Wayne.
Great analysis! Tho whenever comics imply Bruce cannot cook or housekeep I always cringe. He’s been shown capable of both in other comics and also lived away from Alfred for years. Just because he doesn’t regularly do either doesn’t mean he can’t.
Bro, Batman Reborn was cut so short, maybe another year, but hey, hindsight’s 20/20.
Love n52 don’t get me wrong (well love most I’ve read)
Grayson is best bc he left Bruce and that’s what made him realize he needs that codependent bond. That’s why Damian will be the last robin ever or at least for a long time. He his real son and actually seeks the codependent bond the exact same way as Bruce they don’t ask for it but force it though interactions. Tim drake has it too bc Bruce decided not to avenge his parents death the same as nightwing. Jason never had anyone to avenge so that’s why Jason feels the codependent bond more and why he’s becomes a killer bc he realize Bruce doesn’t love him like he loved him.
Hey
What do you think of the Tallyman?
Do you like him?
Im intersted to know because i think his underrated
Completely underrated. I think he had a lot of potential, but he wasn't very interesting.
I never liked the concept of forcing someone (usually Dick) to take on the mantle of Batman. It feels vain and self absorbed. Especially since it typically means Dick is pressured into adopting Batman's traits. That's just not who he is.
I'm not digging that plotline in the end because Robin had a mother and father already. He was old enough he tried fighting off the people who killed them so at best Bruce is a uncle or big brother to him but there's no way Robin would ever see him as a father. Actually the whole Nightwing thing kind of falls apart because there's no getting around even if you are a vulnerable 10 yr old who's parents had just been murdered, if the one guy who can help you get revenge does, is it really his fault that you stayed on fighting crime?
I get it writers wanna keep Robin out and I tend to agree a solo Batman works better because Robin is, nowadays, a lame name. In the same breath Robin is also iconic so you can't do Batman without him you just think they should have just kept going and said Batman and Nightwing stayed partners or whatever. I mean really you'd kind of expect Robin to have the same drive as Batman but maybe being able to beat the shit out of bad guys much sooner than Bruce was able to really helped him get over things.
Is that a bell chime wtf
In Black Mirror storyline he was amazing maybe even better than Bruce.
How did you feel when dick put on the cowl again in Grant Morrison's run, do you think it added more to what prodigal didn't or just repeated the same story.
It was different because they didn't know Bruce was going to return, so Dick had to assume he was going to be Batman for a long time and that's where both stories are different. Plus Damian also creates a whole different dynamic than Tim did.
How do you compare Dick Grayson being Batman with Tim Drake vs Dick Grayson being Batman with Damian Wayne?
I really liked the video! By the way, do you think Batman has had more stories written about him than any other character in fiction? And have you read every Batman comic? I can't imagine!
Every Batman comic? Including newspaper strips and stuff? I don't think there is a Iiving person that can say they have. I may have read more than a normal person, but I can't imagine reading every Batman comic in existence. I actually think that's physically impossible.
@@SalazarKnight Yes I agree! I think that's one reason comics seem so daunting to most people; it'd be like starting on episode five thousand of "Lost" or "Breaking Bad". Considering how popular superheros are, it's pretty sad how unread comics are. Think of how popular the Harry Potter and Twilight books are, for comparison. Maybe they'd sell better if comics stopped being periodicals, and instead were sold and hyped as longer books that could be sold as a standalone story. Anyway.
Can you still remember the comics you've read? All those golden age and silver age stores must blend together.
Remember them as in every story separately? Depends on the age. Golden and Bronze Age stories I can remember better than Silver Age stories. And of course, Modern Age are unforgettable. Maybe I should do a stream looking at comic covers and trying to remember the stories inside. Could be fun.
He was a better batman hands down moral compass wise
I was always against Terry McGinnis bicus I want timm became batman in 22 or 23
What is the name of that song? 8:50 - 14:10
That song is called "Hollow" by Adrian Von Ziegler.
@@SalazarKnight thank you 😘