Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power - Episodes 1 & 2 - Angry Review
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AngryJoe, OtherJoe & Alex give their thoughts on Amazon's BILLON Dollar show, The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power, should everyone watch the giants big gamble? Is this a story worth telling? Our thoughts!
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If Galadriel is that angry that her elder brother is dead, imagine how pissed off she's going to be when she remembers that her other two elder brothers are also dead.
Edit: Her other three brothers are dead. I forgot about Orodreth. Now she'll be REALLY pissed.
Imagine when she finds out her brother died desperately needing the toilet and crying like a little girl.
The dialogue is the biggest factor why I didn't like these 2 episodes. It is very annoying, tropey, and predictable:
"Orcs attacked my hometown."
"Really? Where is your hometown?"
"I'll tell you later but first we must have some verbal sparring."
"Okay. I'm an Orc hunter but I'm not gonna reveal that right now so we can have a misunderstanding."
Everyone talks like that. Galadriel, Elrond, Prince Durin, Norin, Arondir, etc. I swear I predicted what everyone was going to say by applying that "Miscommunication Trope". Try it next episode I guarantee you it will work.
@Zike mazowski Then don't make it about Galadriel at all! Problem solved
Also that daddy stayed at home and wanted nothing to do with Middle-Earth and the exiled (including her).
she wasnât as close to them
Alex's facial expressions to Joe's thoughts are hilarious.
their confusion is funny, like totally dont know anything, like they would enter room with dump on the table and start talking stuff like " it feels somekinda ... off??...right?"
Alex expressions says it's all...
Alex is the dude that want to be Critical Drinker guy. He does that cause he kbow million of people will like his opinion instead of someone positive. He sucks too much. His opinion was based on "people" not him. His score was based on some super conservative dude crying about a black elf with shoet hair not his own opinion.
You mean Alex knows better what a piece of nerd shit this show is? Or is he more knowledgeable in the lore to appreciate this piece of nerd shit show?
It's most of the reason I still watch these.alex is the only adult with any standards on this show. Joe and baby hoe are goofs with low standards and simple minds
Iâm with Alex on this one, when you know the story and characters, you have certain high expectations
Yeah but those expectations should be there. If you come up with your own story you get some leeway. If the story is already written and you're just copying it into TV format, you better get the damn story right.
this is tolkien, and they spent a billion dollars. high expectations are completely justified. the only reason they canât pull it off is because of corporate incompetence, horrible writers and lack of faithfulness to the source material and a determination to make their own subpar story interesting to people who want to see what tolkien wrote.
@@jfk8540 exactly what Disney did to Star Wars and look how the sequel trilogy turned out absolute đ
Joe is too busy drinking soy milk
Even without knowing the story. I watched lord of the rings over and over as a kid and I rewatched it again last year and I was reminded why I loved the movies. They genuinely felt like an adventure story that had a level of seriousness to it.
This show is just a big disappointment, I can't take it seriously, nor can I connect to the characters.
Alex nailed it. Leave the main story points alone and fill in the gaps. For instance, there is really nothing in the books/lore regarding Elrond and Durin so it's a perfect gap that can be filled. But altering Galadriel's story makes no sense. Overall, I tried to watch it for what it is, but as Alex put it, "Death by a thousand cuts."
Just IMAGINE they had made Galadriel a sorceress and she used magic to kill the Troll. That scene could have been so epic and shown her insane power.
AND then they could introduce the big bad, who nearly kills/defeats/hurts Galadriel etc. so we can see how much of a threat we are facing.
But no, they had to turn her into a man with a sword and armour.
It's early days man! Let's give this show a chance! And given it's highly limited premise with an age that is filled with gaps, sure... It's obvious that this is very much a heavy adaptation on scarce source material. And as for the pacing I'm actually OK with it... I want this to be a slow burn... A slow build up to something, hopefully, spectacular later on down the road. This show has HUGE potential... And if they can build upon these two episodes then I think we're in for a ride!
And I have to say, given all the negative and unfair backlash that this show has already suffered... A show that's barely started! I was surprised that I actually liked it more than I was expecting! And I suspect that, given time, some people will come around too. A lot of the negative backlash has been hysterical and irrational... But if the show continues to improve, then it will overcome such nonsense!
Nonetheless, if what we've seen thus far is about as good as the show gets... Well then, there's a good chance it might fail! But let's get real... Lots of shows start off slowly, so I really can't see this being the case!
I guess only Time will tell but, I for one am now officially invested... A pleasant surprise... Totally out of the blue!
@@sdwone they spent a BILLION on this.
The more I think about it, the more I hate it.
They were given EVERYTHIng to make this show good and it is average at best.
How can you shill for Amazon so much? ONE BILLION and 2 episodes, which have bad writing and bad acting in parts.
@@mrfreeman2911 I'm not shilling dude, I, along with others, just happen to like this show... A show that's barely started! I mean, TWO episodes in and people are already writing it off!?
And besides, we're not part of the Borg Collective... Yet! So people are free to form their own opinions... Shock Horror I know!!!
@@sdwone 2 episodes. How many episodes is the first season? 8 spisodes. We are already 25 % through the season.
I criticised the writing. It is bad. You think the writing is good? if you do, name me the part that has good writing.
The writing is bad and my example is her brother telling her about stones looking down.........wtf does that even mean.
When Galadriel saw the rings and said "Impressive, very nice, let's see Paul Allen's ring" i literally started crying. As if Tolkien himself wrote this masterpiece
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These posts are getting cringe, my guy. I'm not for this adaption, but when I see people doing these dumbass meme posts as a means of criticism... I'm just tired of it.
Iâm crying đđđ
The watermark my god
Never trust these fake angrjoe accounts
The way they are betraying Galadriel's character is pretty sad. By this time in her life, if a troll rocked up on her, all she would have to do is look it in the eye and it would either run a way in fear or be instantly tamed and never hurt anything again.
Ironically, the whole girl-boss action hero gimmick is underselling her.
Whatâs with movies and TV shows in recent years making all the women into these toxic âyass slay!â Girlbosses?
They even had a guy to raise her up, just like in superwoman they have a bunch of inept men raise the woman up. There's no equality in their views. But it's funny, by simply filling masculine social tropes with female character types who embody those very tropes it might not be so much an elevation of the femenine as much as a blind attachment to the masculine qualities as the ones that actually matter. These corporations couldn't tell their right from their left
She barely even tried and killed it easily. Maybe she was saving all her spell slots incase sauron was around the next corner
@@bol317 spell slots?! Hahaha
Solid joke.
I agree shes better as a sorceress, but i suppose that might be more boring visually? IDK...
Just to let you know, the shipwreck that Galadriel happened to find in the middle of a foggy sea, it's original name was the U.S.S Plotarmor. That is how it endured hurricane level waves and wind.
Lmfao
How could a Uni Sovyet Ship stranded there?
IMO that's Sauron and he's protecting the raft from everything that comes its way.
Damn that lore was so deep, Tolkien couldnât even find it. Impressive
I think it may have actually been the USS Liberty...
I agree with Alex. It is a death of a thousand cuts. I know the lore really well and the amount of deviations or inaccuracies really just grinds my gears. It is very distracting for me while watching the show. And he is right, Galadriel is treated as some talented warrior but her own king doesn't treat her seriously, in reality she was one of the older elves that was alive then, she was the eldest living elf in the House of Finwe, the literal founding house of the Noldor elves. She would have, by the time of the events of the show, been powerful and well-respected by other elves. She would not have to beg for an audience with Gil-galad (depending on which Tolkien notes you take as fact, she is an elder cousin/aunt/relative of Gil-galad). I am not convinced by the casting of Gil-galad, and I don't like the changes they are making to Elrond and Gil-galad's characters compared to what is already established. And Galadriel is almost unrecognizably changed. I really really like they should have just made some generic fantasy show with these characters rather than irreversibly alter already existing characters into something so completely different. I can see how someone who has no clue about the Tolkien lore might enjoy the show, but all these little things add up to making the experience of watching it unenjoyable to me.
I wonder what percentage of viewers actually knows about what Tolkien wrote in the subtexts. I have not read them so deviation from the books is not affecting the show for me and I actually really like the characters and story so far.
Also, why does everyone need to âknow where the story is goingâ. Isnât part of the fun the not completely knowing?
It should have been called Lord of the Rainbow.
@@decibel0746 they need to know where the story is going because this is essentially a prequel to actual story told by Tolkien. That's the problem, you don't change the original author's story.
@@michaelcosta7235 I hear ya. Iâm excited to see how they connect the stories.
It's failure at every step of the way except for the visuals... but even they seem, what is the right word... artificial? Same with the visuals for the characters themselves. They just seem more like Cosplayers rather than the actual actors... or that it's Star Trek races, not Middle-Earth Races. They are all just humans with fake ears, big noses, stout and short, or just hobbit-sized, etc.
It's really painful to watch when everything is making my brain proverbially scream at me 'uncanny valley!!'
I like the look on Alex's face while joe butchers the Lore
No surprise, Joe even got House of The Dragon characters wrong. Sometimes I wonder if he even pays attention or just drinks too much when they watch the shows.
@@TanThighsYum Probably both. If it's boring and uninspired writing, I would be unable to pay a lot of attention too.
@@Mr.KittensAndGibberish he does this with every show/movie/video game though.
@@JamesT094 That's just not true.
@@TanThighsYum You'd have to drink a lot to be able to put up with the audience he's cultivated over the years.
It's the kind of show they play on mute in the electronics store to show off the screen's quality.
Oh my gosh. I haven't seen this show but this is one of the biggest disses I've seen for anything, lol. Ouch.
that's fair
LOL
Yeah exactly đ€Ł
I understand where Alex is with the show. After Wheel of Time, I'm very skeptical of this series, and it sounds like the problems are the same. These stories are good for a reason, the story. The writers don't need to rework stuff, just cut it up and make the story that's there work. I find that more impressive than just rewriting sections. Your viewing power here is with the book fanbase, and if you don't do credit to the underlying story, you lose them. I was going to and will give it a try, but the bar is still super low for me.
Apparently, they don't have the copyright stuff. This show feels like it appeals more to the fans of the films than the book anyway.
On books, huge Tolkein fan but gave up on WoT. However, after 2 episodes of this, I prefer the WoT TV series.
When Galadriel said âSo what are we? Some sort of Rings of Power?â That hit deep.
Yeah, very memorable scene, that. Definitely on par with when Elrond said "You shall be the Fellowship of the Ring."
Thank God Alex is on this show. He seems very grounded and knowledgeable on so many things. His comments frequently match what I am thinking. I appreciate his insights.
I love him, but Joe can be a bit of a mindless shill sometimes....
Eh, Iâm sure he has read the books and likes them and is a fan but he is most definitely not as knowledgeable as he seems to think he is. There were quite a few things he mentioned in this review that were not accurate at all in regards to lore specifics.
I agree mate, thank god for Alex.
@@winstonsmith8482 I agree mate, I suggest checking out Razorfist's video. It's brilliant.
I agree about Alex. Ive been finding myself souring on OJ lately. He he has the same take about every review. "It was okay, a little slow, not too interested yet, but okay. 6/10." He's so uninterested it affects my enjoyment of the video. Whether they like whatever it is or not, Alex and AJ care about what they're doing.
Alex has a lot of patience - i've notice this many times.
always taking interruptions like a champ
he have patience with his boss, you don't say
Alex just loves dialogue and big words that make him feel smart, you can have little words that everyone can understand and still have action and great diverse creatures and magic. He wants House of Cards from a show about elves, stone giants, shadow kings & ghost dragons. They want such grounded shows out of shows that go beyond courtroom cases and arguments in a room or 5 people. Alex has some great points every now and then but he just loves to always feel big when he could just chill out and enjoy something more then just dialogue and big words.
That's his boss, what's the alternative?
@@KingTairun he listens to OJ too.
they are friends before boss and employee.
Based purely on my own knowledge of Galadriel from the books I expected her to use some kind of spell to go back to Middle Earth from the Valinor ship. I was fucking shocked when she started literally swimming back.
This version of Galadriel is not based on TLotR books. Sheâs based on the silmarillion, and sheâs actually pretty accurate to the book
@@chrismichaelis7259 no, she's based on tlotr appendices, couple pages in tlotr book regarding second age - they do Not have the rights to the silmarillion. Also she's not accurate in the slightest.
When Galadriel said "it's morben time." I clapped and cried.
Jesus that memes been dead for ages
@@pdpMASTERP âit has been remade!â
@@misterious5217 lol hell yeah
I love the part when Galadriel raises her lightsaber and says âYour a wizard Harryâ. Made me cry tears of joy
I love the part where this is a copypasta, wow bro epic
Still doing this cringe crap
@@MrBrooks444 it's still kind of funny, lmao. RoP is a solid 6-6.5. Thank god House of the Dragon is airing alongside it because it's much better. I think Galadriel having a lightsaber would actually make the show better.
*You're
Loved the joke. Gave me a good laugh. đ
Her rendition of "Anaconda" was really inspiring. 10/10
Alex, as usual, on point.
IMDB deleted ALL negative reviews.
On IMDB, the first page on Rings of Power, the top review had 2/10.
And majority of the reviews gave it from 2-3/10.
Now the top review is 9/10, but has only 300 upvotes and 1100 downvotes.
They also deleted my 2/10 review.
Now I know for a fact that IMDB takes money to heighten movie reviews. I always suspected it, but now its confirmed.
@@vipr1142 well, IMDB is an Amazon Company⊠đ
@@vipr1142 who gives a shit. This people are some 9y old crying on sone haircut
@@lysander969 I did not know that
Time to stop using IMDB then ^^
That's the power of having a diverse cast. :- }. Because I just finished the lord of the rings movies this year. Never read the books. I am willing to give Rings of Power a chance.
I didnât feel like it was a âslow burnâ story, only âslowâ.
There is no burn, I found it hard to enjoy anything except the visuals.
When all you can say to praise a series is âwell, it _looks_ fantastic!â, Iâm afraid what you have on your hands is a stinker.
a very expensive stinker
They just ramble on and on and on the entire first episode outside of one fight scene with the troll. It was hard to stay awake watching it.
When Galadriel said 'IT'S MORFYDD TIME' and led the charge on the beaches of Troy I was so impressed. True Tolkien at its finest.
Joke is dead at this point. You guys arenât funny
@@Mirage475 I still find them all funny. They are written better than the show even.
@@Mirage475 joke still good boi
@@Mirage475 you seem fun
What bothers me as a woman is this: when women are written JUST to be badass that type of writing is solely happening BECAUSE OF THE GENDER. And it's tropish and annoying and so blatantly "we're just doing this so you ladies out there can FEEL GOOD." but when it comes to listing awesome fictional women, I sooner list off a dozen female characters from the 90s, 2000s, 2010s that are well written than like most modern day ones...with a few exceptions. One being Arcane. When you FOCUS ON THE GENDER you lose your audience, cause you're alienating half your audience. EVEN some women out there as well. Us women we don't just want people we can look up to. We want women we can RELATE to. Legolas taking out an Oliphaunt is different from Galadriel taking out an ice troll because of one thing; HE WORKED FOR THAT WIN. Meanwhile Galadriel just DOESN'T EVEN LOOK at the thing she's taking out. That's badass, but not feasible. Especially when the FELLOWSHIP as a WHOLE had trouble with a cave troll.
Hollywood needs to look at these rules for writing women: *key thing* is agency. Women need to have their own agency.
*Second:* don't be afraid to show your female characters to SCREW UP every once in a while. We're only human. We're not infallible. Stop acting like we are. The only way we grow is when we learn from MISTAKES.
*Three:* character first not gender first. Let the story and setting determine how this character looks and acts not the gender.
*Four:* FIX bad tropes by making them into good tropes and making them organic. Why is Jinx so well written in Arcane? They removed the Manic Pixie Dream Girl and just made her SAD. You cannot sexualize Jinx like you can in LoL because she's wholly different from her LoL self.
*Five:* love is power relationships aren't a weakness it's a strength I don't know much about them as an asexual but from my own upbringing, whenever my mom had a low point, my dad was there to help and vice versa they were stronger together.
*six:* neutralization Arcane does this really well Caitlyn's parents have role reversal the mom is doing typical dad things like kicking the door down and having a political role, the dad is doing typical mom things like caring for Cait and being emotional, but it's not just them it's other characters in the show, so you don't realize it until you finish Arcane.
Lastly the world can open doors to talk about stigma and the real world but it needs to be blended in so well it's almost in the background, DO NOT empower women at the expense of men it just makes you as a writer look like an ahole, EXPRESSION OF EMOTION IS NOT HYSTERIA OR A WEAKNESS. Humans are emotional creatures, we are not based in LOGIC and ROBOTIC motions and writers need to remember this.
Do this to write women and you're all set.
But what about trans people? They are more important!! You're a bigot!
How much empowerment and motivation do women actually require? It's like dealing with toddlers at this point, lmao.
Long gone is the 'I am woman, hear me roar'.
Show states she had just fought for centuries (it's alluding to the War of Wrath, though the show doesn't have rights to use that name). She has more fighting experience than all the members of the fellowship combined. She's in a whole other league of ability to compared to the fellowship. If you have a problem with her being powerful take it up with Tolkien.
I wish they'd listen to people like you. I really wish they would.
I think you got this show mixed up with prey. Literally what you're talking about refers to that movie.
This show is the equivalent of an influencer flexing how much money they have to try make up for their lack of an interesting personality
Lmao. Pretty accurate
Good analogy
The Rice Gum of tv shows
Haha. Poetic, love it mate! đ»
I thought it was good. If you have a problem with black actors you must have an issues with dragons right? Or Elijah Wood, the lead actor in Happy Feet and Flipper was a historically accurate orange haired, irish accent Hobbit right??? Right?
Its hilarious and tragic that Joe called out the big reveals in his very first review. It shows how ass the writing is for this show.
Alex needs his own channel.
Exactly!
Yeah totally joe just holds him back
@@CZcamsGuy825 and cuts him off. Well, he cuts everyone off and is kinda simple minded tbh lol
He's the only reason I watch the AngryKarenShow, when I do
@@raypeterson8600 haha perfectđ
I loved the scene were Sauron asked Optimus Prime "is that an big wrench in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?"
I cried, so stunning and brave.
Is this supposed to be funny?
@@tordb your a boomer arenât you
This jokes are becoming so lame
@@117MasterSpartan Bruh, the joke getting old and isnât funny anymore
@@tordb Well personally i loved that scene where Sauron talked to Frodo through the ring and said "Mama always said life is like a box of chocolate, you never know what you're gonna get."
The part when Galadriel said "I have a need, a need for speed." I got a little emotional. Such a powerful line.
Up there with "It's Morbin Time" for quotes.
I really liked when she told Gandalf, "It doesn't matter if you win by an inch or a mile, if you don't have family."
@@Tracer_Sweat It's a story about family, that's what makes it so powerful.
Cringe gen zombie meme
Trash
It's hard to be a nerd these days when you've invested your whole life learning every detail, arc, and more about a franchise, be in Marvel/Tolkien/Star Wars, and to see it all being butchered by hacks who only care about money and brownie points on Twitter.
No wonder Bezo is silencing all criticism of this.
@@arcahmwinters70 Have you looked on IMDB? Almost all negative reviews are removed
I love how itâs the Angry Joe show, but almost everyone in the comments are just here for Alex.
before it was for other joe, but his peanutbrain cant handle more then starring is antonio starch, once a bright future, w/e
For the most expensive tv show ever, i expected more than a "meh"
There's still 6 episodes left
@@TheBlueArmageddon cant change it when ep 1 and 2 are non sensical and lore butchering
@@TheBlueArmageddon the first ep is supposed to be one of the best ones to get people hooked... If ep 1 and 2 are shit don't expect much better later on
@@TheBlueArmageddon so what? we already are 2h in to the show. so you want me to wait 6 more episodes to judge the show? the show costs 1 billion dollars. you normies were saying the same thing with picard, halo, witcher,. wheel of time . " ITS JUST FIRST EPISODE, IT WILL BE GOOD." xd
@@ImotekhtheStormlord-tx2it This season hasnât cost a billion to make. People love throwing that number around and it isnât even true.
It cost around $435m for season 1. Considering that itâs basically an 8 hour movie - with movie grade production - itâs not actually an insanely expensive show.
All that coverage has been somewhat overblown. I think that 1 billion figure comes from combining the production costs of season 1 AND 2 and also possibly what Amazon paid for the rights from the Tolkien estate.
So, you can stop attacking this season for costing a billion. It didnât.
It began with the forging of the great films. Threads were given by Tolkien, immortal, wisest and fairest of all beings. Rights were granted to Jackson, great miner and craftsman of the mountain of lore. And nine, nine hours were gifted to the race of men, who above all else, desire quality. But they were all of them deceived, for another show was made. In the land of Amazon, in the fires of Mount Prime, the Dark Lord Bezos forged in secret a master flop. And into this show he poured his money, his greed and his will to dominate all film. One show to ruin them all.
For into darkness fell Tolkien's star,
In Amazon, where no bathrooms breaks are.
Bezos actually sounds like a dark lords name, this was epicđ
Did you think of this all by yourself?
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@@davidh7088 It's the script to this: /watch?v=4g5jFYeBmLA
I think my biggest problem with Rings of Power is that it doesnât exactly hook me that much, and it hurts it even more since House of Dragon is also out and while it not perfect, itâs better at hooking me than this.
I mean they are not the same genre, HotD is political modern fantasy while ROP is classical heroic fantasy.
That is like comparing star wars with the Expanse, they are both scifi but completely different subgenres
Yeah just saw ep3 of House of Dragons just after the pilots of Ring of Power, and they really are not in the same league. Rings of Powers make me think of the old 90s fantasy series quality wise plus expensive music and sfx, while House of Dragons is modern quality series.
I agree that HotD is exponentially better at hooking a viewer. As it does a whole lot of showing without telling. It lets us make the connection ourselves without going, "now see, this is what you're supposed to think." I'll give two examples of this, but beware spoilers, but first to address those saying "Well HotD & ROP are two different sub genres of the Fantasy genre" I would like to point out that the OP wasn't about how one show is better at being that subgenre. It was that one show is better at hooking the audience in. You can still compare Marvel movies with the show The Wire if you are comparing two series that do a great job of having past events weave throughout a greater narrative that exists inside of a larger world that can be explored at any time. Can you compare them genre wise? No. Can you compare them with consistency and world building? Yes.
So the showing and not telling...
There's a sequence in HotD where Rhaenyra confronts her uncle with her dragon. It's the first time she's really done anything of serious note. Everyone told her to just sit in the corner. She instead did her plan. Flying her dragon to confront one of the most dangerous killers in the land. A Targaryen that is in open revolt against the king. She stiffly (looks to be scared out of her mind but she's making a good show of it) strolls up to him and diffuses a dangerous situation.
A scene or so later and look how she's walking. She's swaggering. She's realizing her power. There's no dialogue of her going "I'm a big girl now." It's all said in her walk. I saw her walk and thought, "damned...she really is a bad ass."
A second moment of show don't tell, or how we get hooked into character's & stories, the 3rd episode battle. Prince Daemon's plan to defeat the Crab Jerk.
We learn a few things about him from an episode where be barely talk and the only time people talk about him is to put him down.
This dude stops trying to talk & instead just acts. Notice that whenever he does talk he hurts his position. When he just acts he improves it. He singlehandedly (for a bit at least) faces the crab jerks army. If he does the plan fails. But he puts himself there first. So we know he's a good leader. He's willing to accept more danger than he puts his men in. But we also know he doesn't value every man. As he kills someone with his dragons foot early on. So he's cold. He's driven by pride. He only does this because he can't let it seem as if his brother rescues him. But again, when crab jerk runs into the tunnels Daemon follows to kill him. He doesn't order someone else to go. He doesn't ask people to follow to witness how great he is. He just acts. It pays off. We also learn that he doesn't fear gray scale. Damned...do I root for him or not?
All this little clues we get to put together. All these decisions. That hooks. Not dialogue telling us "You are full of bad stuff in your heart. This is what your character is. This is how the audience should think. But it's good that you are this because we tell you it's good."
It's like comparing children writing a story versus a historical lecturer writing a story.
And black elves don't exist.
I think the best part was when Galadriel dangled Sauron off the cliff by the foot and told him that she lied when she said she'd kill him last.
And Sauron replied "I'll be back !"
The show should have been 10 out of 10 with the budget and the whole Tolkien universe. ( **Big fail it's only average** )
Even what AngryJoe, OtherJoe and Alex gives it average, is just generous as they already know too many things are wrong from the beginning.
AngryJoe = Tries to give every movie/games a chance to find their potential. A fair critic and open minded viewer
OtherJoe = Wants simple and epic entertainment
Alex = Holds on to logic and facts, grandmaster in lore and low tolerance for bullshit
I have my reason why I have been watching this channel for over 8+ years
This needs to be a top comment since people canât understand why other people can have a different opinion.
You're welcome to an opinion, but don't try to state your mostly unqualified opinion as a fact.
@@ArrctvHe's also entitled to state his opinion with confidence, and if you don't like it you are entitled to disagree. But you can fuck right off trying to tell him how he should state his opinions. We're not talking about medical advice here.
for a billion dollars, it shouldn't have to try and find its feet. They keep allowing them to make mediocre content and ruining IP's that now an actually qualified not woke moron won't touch because of how much money will be lost on this.
Only average? What shows have you been watching? This show was was one of the most amazing tv shows Iâve ever seen in my
Life. Just shows how spoiled people have become since 2000
Alex needs to be the upper voice in this reviews, he clearly knows more than Joe (no hard feelings for joe btw)
Well you want AJ's perspective because it aligns more with the vast majority of audience, I can guarantee you most have not read the books or know the lore outside of the movies. You really want all of their opinions though.
I want to hear more of Alex breaking down the changes that were made and really digging into this show. Letâs see the depth of knowledge that he has. I think Joe needs to take a bit more of backseat in this particular show for reviews and let Alex go on some 30 minute long rants and school is on the books and lore.
yeah alex who had the most to criticize about this show, being the so called "expert" of the group, should of had the most to say, but he actually said the least out of the 3. i feel like he's holding back a lot, which makes the review as a whole feel a bit disingenuous despite their ratings.
Yeah I value Joe's and Alex's perspective because I'm between then when it comes to the knowledge of the lore. I know most of my lore bc CZcams videos so I don't know too much details
I'm surprised Alex didn't address the obvious nonsense with the Valinor "portal". At this point you could easily sail to the undying lands, it's not a separate dimension or anything, in fact this is exactly what the Numenorians do several hundred years after the time this show is based.
Maybe you should just stick to the books if you want it this lore accurate.
@@RundOnline đ
The numenorians never get to valinor it's their attempt that sinks the entire island after being tricked by sauron
@@RundOnline how about they make their own shity fantasy story and leave Tolkin legacy in competent hands not incompetent amatures ????
@@RavenL1337 Y? What law gave the "real tolkin" fanboys exclusive rights to it? I have something and other children can't play with it. It's mine! Boehoehoe... That's how you sound. You can't even imagen other people don't give a shit about the simarilion can't you?
20 years since the Fellowship movie and Joe still cannot say GA-LA-DRI-EL
Who dafuq is galdrel?
thats how its pronounced
@@xXTopGXx no, it's pronounced in elvish like Mike L said: ga-LAAAAA-dri-el
Showrunners cannot say it too
Who Cares
@@RonhozZ Well, people who expect other people to have some form of competency for one, 20 years is a very long time to learn how to do something simple and if one cannot learn in 20 years then what are you supposed to think about them.
I bet you love RoP.
Theyâve adapted some stuff Iâd prefer theyâd not. For starters, they make it seem like Galadriel has only one brother (finrod) and with that theyâve seemingly pulled him out of the Beren bromance and just had him die in some random battle.
Câmon man. My dude didnât die fighting a werewolf bare handed just to be grave robbed.
Also, he reincarnates shortly after, which would make Galadriel's motivation for hunting sauron non existent. They would have rewirete the whole show if they decided to do this single detail correctly.
They donât have the rights to the Silmarillion, the best they could have done would have him with Beren, but the claw marks on his body seem to indicate his death was the same
@@jarettkwiatek2122 I did not even notice claw marks. Ill have to go back and check that out.
What are their rights exactly? as they do happily show the two trees of valinor in scenes and advertisement.
Guess they have some access to the first age.
@UC4ovKXbWQrAPxIQraa5N5wg Yeah, I'd say they do leve it alone, but mainly because in LOTR/Hobbit, Humans are the protagonists fo the story, so we don't really have a focus o Elves, their families, their death etc. But when we go to 1st/2nd age stuff, Elves are the main focus, thus the Mandos stuff automatically becomes more important, especially when one of the characters (Finrod) has a VERY important moment related to Mandos as he was one of the only 2 elves that are shown to be reincarnated in the books. So I'd say the had to leave this key moment out so Galadriel's plot could exist in the show.
And Galadriel is the aunt of the king gil - galad,! Why is she so submisive?
Midway through episode 2 i tapped out and found solace in the cast and crew commentaries for PJs movies... Who would have thought that an audio track would have more love and passion than this misbegotten beast of a show
What audio track is this?
Imagine a bunch of people from Comic-Con, with no acting experience, cosplaying as the characters from Lord of The Rings, and they walk into an elaborate billion dollar CGI environment. The environment they are in is visually breathtaking, but the people themselves can't emote, nor can they convey the power and screen presence that the original ensemble cast had in the Peter Jackson classic trilogy. That, my fellow disgruntled viewers, is Amazon's The Lord of The Rings: Rings of Power. Its an aesthetically impressive spectacle bereft of the acting and engaging characters that made Jackson's magnum opus such a captivating work of art.
I was cringing at how many times Galadriel pronounced her name differently. Really really good acting ....
Spot on description!
Couldn't say better myself.
damn people really didn't enjoyed it. I watch the two episodes and was like "okay that was more enjoyable than house of dragons" and then i see all the opinion online
â@@ha-kh7ef complete opposite, I enjoyed house of dragon, reminded me of the 1st season of GoT. Gonna watch 3rd episode soon.
While watching Rings of Power I've checked the timer at around 24th minute, which is a really bad sign. Actors seem to be in a play instead of a movie, which breaks immersion for me.
I was about to reply, but you summed it up perfectly, Drake. I enjoyed it, though, and I look forward to the upcoming episodes. I can add that I like it more than House of the Dragon.
I loved the scene when Gandalf faced Balrog and yelled "I didn't hear no bell."
Episode 1 definitely has that "cannot skip cutscene" vibes lol
Yes!
What do you mean?
Exactly!!
Damn this is spot on. Thatâs exactly what I felt.
YES I was trying to find a way to summarize it and you did it perfectly. Second episode was much more engaging
"We made a promise to ourselves at the beginning of the process that we were going to put all of our own politics, our own messages and our own themes into these five seasons. ... In a way, we were trying to make these films for us, not for the fans or Tolkien himself."
Whatâs political about the show?
Feminazi political correctness masterclass shrouded in a mist of bad fan fiction
@@trentnida3420 I genuinely canât understand how black people and women existing in a show is political
@@theotter6279 the dwarf queen is the sister to Thorin and mother to Fili and Kili, as well as being a mountain dwarf, yet somehow a different race than them. Also she's supposed to have a beard but of course they didn't do that because that would be racist. The actress even straight up said this isn't about respecting Tolkien's world but instead to be more diverse.
Galadriel by this time was one of the oldest and most respected elves as well as most powerful, but now is a foot soldier who's not taken seriously by her youngers?
@@theotter6279 Have you been living under a rock these past 10 years?
First two episodes proved that no matter how much money you throw at something, if you don't respect the material you end up with mediocre at best. I'd rather be watching HotD, and that sucks because I grew up on Tolkien.
Also..just a note for any writers out there, no matter the scale of your story, best to start with one event so you can bring the audience in on your characters. This show started with whiplash, zipping from place to place and it's never slowed down. Means you care even less for the characters
Galadriel has been butchered plain and simple. Imagine a Superman adaptation where the writers said "Let's turn him into The Punisher instead" so Superman became a mass murderer. And we're all just supposed to act like they nailed the lore.
Superman: Red Sun
My favorite thing these days is watching the look on Alex's face while Joe rambles.
"Rambles" is on point. Lmfao.
How can anyone watch 50 minutes of Joe's rambling is beyond understandable for me.
Look at Joe's face when Alex and OJ are talking.
looks borderline POd
On a 10 scale: Casting - 0 ; Writing - 1 ; Art design - 6 ; Acting - 4
I loved the part where Galadriel jumps in the middle of the orc horde and says "Catch you fuckers at a bad time?" And then kills all of them with one stroke.
So beautiful so brave I cried myself to sleep in the fetal position and dreamed about this masterpiece...
please no f word
Elrond and Durin scenes leave the other actors in the dust which is why it stands out so much more
When Elrond says how could the tree not grow in such a loving home, I actually felt that, such a good scene. The rest of the show was just okay to good.
I refuse to watch the show. Is Elrond supposed to be the "elf" who has the "angry lesbian" / "90s female politician" haircut? Is that the guy who is supposed to play Elrond? The one dressed in old lady's night gowns?
@@KosmicNomad "When the moon festers in the scorching high noon sun, that's when all the cats return home"
That's what counts as profound writing according to the show runners of rings of power (and from the teasers I've seen lol)
@@godofchaoskhorne5043 your opinion is invalid unless you watch the show. Then you can shit on it as much as you want
They are the only redeeming part of the show. The other 2 plot lines are boring
Funnily enough one of the scholar's that got fired from the show kept on saying that they where messing with the lore to much from what Alex mentions I'm not surprised WE WHERE LITERALLY WARNED.
@The RottenđŻ Yeah they kept on mentioning to Amazon that they where messing with the lore to much and it's rumoured that's why he was fired.
... like the trilogy did not? Its normal to change bits, issue is movies pulled it of, series so far did not
@@nythyas123 amazin shill
They are combining thousands of years of lore into a singular linear storyline, mixing with new elements that are totally original. It only makes sense that a ton of lore isn't going to play well with such a large truncation of time/lore.
It's were not "where"
My favourite scene was when galadriel said "it's galadri-time." And she went ahead and galadried everyone, almost teared up
LMAO
Thank god for Alex.
The only reason I watch this channel now and then.
I think we can all agree that Joe is always the least knowledgeable and sensible person in these rewiews
13:21 OJ's point about it feeling more like a bunch of larpers than actual LOTR characters was exactly on-point.
Time stamp?
This isnt a lord of the rings show. This is a poor representation of Hollywood activitists trying hard to shove their bullshit in lore. The fact that amazon literally wanted to adapt this into modern culture should be a crime in of itself. I cant count how many times the actor that plays theblack dwarf said "we needed a show to make ppl who look like me feel represented, i am the first female black dwarf" is beyond cringy and annoying especially for black ppl like myself. I watch a show to escape. I LOVE LOTR Trilogy and even the Hobbit. I never once said i need more black ppl to feel represented. This doesnt feel like a work of Tolkein at all. Its called plagiarism. U steal work and presant it in a way thats true like u did it.
@@paulypipes3082 dude your whole spiel is cringe. You're now more annoying than any liberal or SJW ever was, and that's saying something.
there is larpers better equipped
@@paulypipes3082 That's because they don't have enough rights to present this kind of story. It's basically a fanfic.
I'll stick to the movies.
LotR EE trilogy is all of the content and entertainment we need
The original three, not the Hobbit trilogy.
All about the original extendos
@@austins.2495 except for the battle scene. And the dragon scenes
@@austins.2495 I forget the hobbit trilogy exists lol
This is what pisses me off with people these days..if they don't get instant gratification or are immediately satisfied off the bat, then shows or movies are deemed slow and boring. We're only two episodes in.....
The overall reaction of this show is similar to how I feel. I thought we'd be farther along after 2 hours, I'm not sure any of the storylines are particularly compelling or coherent at this point, there's plenty of cool stuff they could be talking about but aren't (yet), the changes or departures from the source material are certainly concerning so far. I'm worried they're doing Galadriel dirty - writing her down to an obsessed youngster as opposed to the thousands of years old royalty she is. And everyone seems really dumb.
Wow, first comment out of hundreds of comments that I've seen mentioning that Galadriel is royalty! Which if anyone even bothers to read even a basic wiki article, they would know. She is a princess for crying out loud! Which makes the first scenes with her being bullied in Valinor even more baffling. Royalty may find itself isolated as children, but one thing they aren't ever, I imagine, is bullied! Ever. Certainly not to that extent where the perpetrators would be making repeat transgressions which that felt like in the opening scene.
So now that it's over, how do you feel? I like hearing different opinions of what people thought then and now.
They didnt talk about what i felt was the worst problem, the writing. The writing was juvenile in my opinion. Every few minutes there was some flowery one liner attempt at philosophy. It was awful, I dont know how they didn't discuss it during the reviews.
âBoats float because they look upâ. Thatâs not mystical itâs dumb
THANK YOU!!! It was atrocious...it was like getting a bunch of people drunk and telling them to recite Shakespeare.
It's like the kind of cringe I might have written aged 15, thinking I was being deep and philosophical.
IKR ...writting was so bad ...that I was cringing throughout the whole episode.
Its so fucking dumb and it feels like they did the dialog in 0.75 speed its so dumb
1 billion dollars for an average show. That's crazy. It proves that no matter how beautiful your photography looks like, you need good writing and good characters.
I really think it's below average to me it's a 4/10. The dialogue is pathetically bad by any standard let alone compared to the stuff Tolkien wrote.
Who would have thought
@@gamble777888 wah wah
I think it's like Avatar where everything is either generic or garbage but people ignore it cuz "WOW LOOK AT THE FLASHY LIGHTS!"
It is mainly the poor writing. The plot drives the characters, often with them making decisions completely out of character because the plot demands it.
It culminated in that one scene in the second episode where the lady harfoot pretty much declared that she believed her whole purpose was to be here for this moment and to perform this action. Yes all fictional characters have no real agency of their own, but good writers will allow you to believe that they have agency in the story.
Bless you guys. Itâs a freakin 1 star for me. You canât eff around with Tolkien
Rings of power feelt like watching community theater compared with Jackson's work, every scene feelt poorly staged and never offered any depth of immersion it feelt almost like watching a parody or an adult movie.
The "Dwarf Item" isn't a mystery. It's Mithril, the same substance that Bilbo's/Frodo's chain shirt was made of.
Or a silmaril
@@Durendail I think they can mention them like they did w/ Feanor/his hammer but showing don't think so
@@Durendail thatâs a pretty BIG story change if it is one.
I guess it could be the one that was dropped in a fiery chasm?
The other two are long gone tho.
Pretty sure the Tolkien estate wouldnât be too happy if it was. Theyâre pretty protective.
Who knows tho - it could be.
It probably is Mithril which the whole reason the realm of Khazah Dum fell they dug too deep for Mithril and unleashed Durin's Bane.
It looked really glowy though, so I donât think it could be mithril.
All the positive reviews only talk about how 'all the money is on the screen', talking about the CGI and the special effects.
The only reviews that dig into the storytelling are the negative reviews.
Somehow you guys managed both. So congratulations.
I feel like I'm the only one who liked the story and acting
@@singmysin it's literally the 1st & 2nd episode which are mainly setting up the world & characters. I really don't see why people are disliking it.
There are plenty of reviews digging into the storytelling that are positive. I can imagine casuals liking this, and generally people who know nothing about Tolkien. It's reviews digging into the actual lore that are negative.
Personally as a Tolkien fan I didn't hate it. A lot of the changes are just dumb and nonsensical, like Galadriel going to Valinor (which can't happen because she's banned) and then swimming back (across the entire sundering sea!!). But overall it was... okay? It's not just positive and negative reviews, most of them are 10/10 or 1/10 and it isn't either of those things unless you're a Tolkien purist.
this is why Disney is still in business, you can show pretty colors and forget about the story. Most people are just retarded that way
Thatâs not true at all. The thing is that there isnât really much of a plot yet. The first two episodes have been an introduction of sorts. The CGI is also an important aspect of a show like Rings of Power. Middle Earth is a beautiful, almost picturesque, type place, and has been rendered quite well.
5/10 is about my rating as well so long as I divorce my Tolkien knowledge from it. The writing is a little dull and the plot has very little direction right now outside of Elrondâs path to helping Celebrimbor forge the rings. The set pieces are nice: Khazad dum was beautiful. But I need a lot more from it to become required LOTR watching in the future. I wonât rate it based on the show I wanted: First Age wars. Iâll just rate it on what was given. Would be better if they used all original characters instead of changing established ones.
I like Alexâs reaction when joe skipped over him about the question of diversity in the show. He looked ready to speak his mind lol
"Diversity" is code for white erasure.
When Galadriel said "Take my hand if you want to live" and shot the T-1000 in the face, I literally shivered.
That got me..
I love CZcams where you can see the same joke repurposed a thousand times. And then the jokes premise is deeply flawed cause noone in the Terminator franchise ever says "Take my hand if you want to live".
@@Psilocybin77 "MAC-10 7mm"
@@Psilocybin77 The misquote was intentional.
But explain more why we shouldn't like the meme, should work out well for you.
@@warlordbasil5873 because it's a sad, unfunny meme with no actual humor--it is just one reference connected to a random other reference with a non-sequitor.
The only reason you like it is because you see references you know, so you can clap like a seal and feel good because your brain understood a common pop culture reference.
It is on the same level as Reddit Puns, effortless humor performed by 12 year Olds that does nothing but spam comments with their crap. So just know every time you do it, how unoriginal and not funny you are :)
The lord of the rings trilogy, not counting the extended editions = around 8 hours of film time. The rings of power = 8 hours of film time. I don't know about anyone else but 2 hours into the fellowship of the rings I was seriously sucked in and engrossed. 2 hours into the rings of power I am bored and totally uninterested. Hmmm I wonder which one is better.
Maybe they should have spent some of that billion hiring some good writers maybe?
Rings of Power is 50 hours of screen time. There are five or six seasons, so yes, there will be more of a build up compared to an edited two hour movie.
@@rafterman5072 Actually at the moment it's 1 season. Now assuming the show does well enough sure they might probably continue on upward of 5 seasons. They can say they plan on doing 1000 seasons, doesn't mean they're going to do them. I do seriously wonder, if they spent 1 billion on this first season and it continues to be as boring as it's first 2 hours is do you honestly think that Amazon will put down another billion each for seasons 2-5?
Itâs way better then House of Boredom Targaryen đ€Łđ€·đ»ââïž
@@baf9369 In your opinion I suppose, personally it's drawn me in enough to convince me to continue watching despite how horrible the final season screwed it up. General talk about it is a positive buzz and it's pulling in good scores and good viewing numbers (assuming HBOMax isn't fudging those) what I've heard on general for this show so far from friends and family who have watched it is mostly in line with my own opinion either boredom or outright disdain.
@@matthewwilliams3579 To me the only people hating this show arenât exactly Tolkien fans. Most of the actual fans of the Silmarillion like what they have done especially visually but itâs got huge promise.
Weâve waited years and years for this so of course want it to do well. Episode 2 was very enjoyable so I donât mind the slow build.
Nice review. You guys made me realize the writing was much worse than I originally thought it to be.
I think a lot of people missed the part where the start of episode 1 is actually in Valinor (city of Valmar where the two trees which give light resided). Ungolianth and Morgoth poisoned them. So the scene where the elves return to Valinor is not that revealing since we already were given a taste of what Valinor looks like.
As to the discovery of the Dwarves: I think the scene is meant to portray the discovery of Mithril and the lads have begun to delve deeper in order to get more.
I'm curious as to why they could not obtain the rights to portray first Era stuff. The fight against Morgoth basically changed the map (the destruction of Beleriand) and the whole West coast was broken off and sunk in to the sea. Perhaps that why the map they showed at the beginning of episode 1 does not mention Beleriand at all.
Melkor/Morgoth: *"It felt only natural to me that an adaptation of Eru Illuvatar's work would reflect what Arda actually looks like."*
You should let Alex take the lead on the Rings of Power reviewsâŠ.
You think Joe is humble enough to give him the spotlight. Nah the man loves the sound of his own voice.
itâs the angry joe show
@@huey6248 Seems Joe has lost the plot these days. That twitter brainwashing is really showing.
@@huey6248 Sadly
@@sauldownbadman876 preach
Itâs interesting to notice that when Joe talks and shares OJ and Alex are completely silent and respectful and when OJ and Alex are sharing Joe is constantly interrupting, commenting and trying to finish their thoughts. I really wish heâd put his ego aside a bit and let his buddies just speak uninterrupted.
Excellent point especially if they make a point that disagree or exposes the point he made
Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made.
The scene with Galadriel jumping off the boat was over the top bad writing. The only way that scene makes any logical sense is because you as the viewer already know she has to survive. She has plot-armor and can't possibly die regardless of what she does. Jumping off a boat in the middle of the ocean is suicide for any remotely believable character, not some epic showing of determination.
If they wanted to make a remotely believable version of that scene, how about letting her spot another boat in the distance before she abandons the ship she's on? Maybe the ship she's on gets overtaken by pirates and she is taken prisoner? Maybe the ship she's on gets attacked by the sea monster and she's left clinging to the wreckage? Maybe she travels all the way to her destination, refuses to leave the ship and insists on going back?
The writing of the entire Galadriel plot line has been very bad so far. Hopefully if the remaining pieces of her plot line are equally cringe worthy, they can edit it down to the bare minimum before releasing the remaining episodes.
In actuality, Galadriel would not have gotten on the boat to Valinor in the first place and even Gil-Galad did not have the authority to "make" her go. She is a Noldorin Princess (though you would never know it by this show), not some lacky to be ordered about. Mind NOTHING Galadriel does in this show is true to lore, so no surprise.
At least she could have had a moment of elven magic foreseeing her destiny or whateverâŠ
Imagine to have a score just because visuals, but for the script could be a 1/10 with a budget of 1 billion.
I mean this stuff has been going on in the gaming community for over a decade now. Normies getting all wet by beautiful graphics for what they completely ignore the bad gameplay, poor story writing and all the bugs.
Good thing the writing in this so is amazing so far. The dialogue is like its taken straight from the books and letters.
@@mesicek7 Yeah that's why the most popular games with the "normies" are Minecraft, Fortnite, Roblox, Among Us, The Sims, Fall Guys, etc. Real graphical masterpieces lmao
@@mesicek7 yep MArvel started it with it's dumb ass eyecandy and people have adopted it
Visuals do count. They can make or break a show instantly.
Joe says âitâs visually spectacularâ but also says â just because it looks good doesnât mean there isnât problemsâ
Tolkien himself wrote this as âAll that glitters isnât goldâ
But as Amazon want to inject the modern world into Tolkien we would probably say
âITS A POLISHED TURDâ
While I agree with what you're saying here, Tolkien actually wrote "All that is gold does not glitter." Its part of the prophecy of Aragorn and The Reforging of Narsil aka The Return of The King.
Full quote. "All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.
From the ashes a fire shall be woken,
A light from the shadows shall spring;
Renewed shall be blade that was broken,
The crownless again shall be king."
Frodo say something similar, He says to the other Hobbits upon meeting Aragorn and discussing whether to trust him something like; "I think a servant of the enemy would look fairer and feel fouler." Aragorn overhears and says something like "So I look foul and feel fair, eh?" Tying back to the prophecy.
Shakespeare was who wrote that phrase not tolkien. Fanboys mat know a lot about a particular work, but th3y are atill ignorant people overall
What are you really wanting to say when you say "inject the modern world?"
There's nothing in this show that pertains to anything Tolkien wrote - ever.
This show is just more of the new Hollywood writing style.
1. A woman cannot receive help or advice from a man.
2. A woman cannot be saved by a man.
3. Men are only there for comic relief, e.g. Loki getting kicked in the balls over and over again, in his own show.
IMDb (owned by Amazon) has removed all reviews for this show below a score of 6/10. There where many reviews below a 6...
Yeah, I don't trust the (currently) 6.2 rating a bit after this backlash....I haven't seen the show and I won't so I can't tell if it's maybe actually okayish but given the backlash on the trailers this rating seems weird.
I am a huge Wheel of Time book fan, and Alex's thoughts about the LOTR show basically mirror how I feel about the Wheel of Time show. so many changes without a justification playing out, at least so far. not a huge LOTR guy and I though the show was "fine." I am definitely jealous of the budget they have for this show vs Wheel of Time
more budget would not have helped wheel of time. they already had a really high budget, the show was ruined as soon as rafe good his disgusting paws on the ip
You are right, and what irritated me was WoT reddit page saying that the show is good in light of the entire series of books. I was critical when the show came out and i was 3 books in, read the WoT reddit opinions and thought.."ok maybe I dont know what im talking about". Flash forward to when I finished the book series, and now I am more convinced that the show is terrible and butchered the lore.
â@@juandrefourie8572 I got multiple temporary bans from r/wot and a permanent ban from r/wheeloftime just for giving my honest review (which they called gaslighting and toxic). I was scathing, but I was certainly not toxic. Its irritating to no end, especially since its my favorite series.
@@howlingbeast3x6 kind of disagree, even though rings of power was nothing special character or story wise so far, it absolutely looks gorgeous in every frame. That definitely helps in a visual medium.
I still want the wheel of time show to succeed, itâs the only adaptation Iâm gonna see in my lifetime. But if people watch rings of power and decide they want more fantasy , wheel of time looks downright cheap in comparison. Which is too bad, itâs the better source material imo
@@taliefer16 I'm the complete opposite. I prefer having no adaptation than the trash we got. It will taint the name of wheel of time and it will lower the chances of having a good adaptation.
As for why I said it would not change much, the wheel of time already had a big budget of 80 million dollars, which was wasted. They put a bunch of money in buying the newest high-tech camera so we can better see how cheap the costumes look. The amount of money they had was not the issue, its the fact that they wasted it. Thats what I meant, having a bigger budget would not help the show that much since they don't spend it well
Stand aside, Michael Phelps! Galadriel won all the Olympic Gold Medals for every swim meet EVAR (especially the long distance ocean-crossing free-style)! P.S.: Galadriel is Elrond's Mother-In-Law in the lore, so that scene where Elrond almost has the hots for her was cringe!
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It still looks too clean to me. One of my favourite things about the LOTR films is how real it felt when everyone was all dirty and grimey
I think the biggest sin this show commits is making the elves feel like fancy humans. The elves are not supposed to be grounded or relatable. They are serious and mysterious. Iâm fine with Elrond being more âhumanâ because heâs only a half elf (although the show never says that), but this show has completely ruined the mystique of the elves. Honestly the black actor who plays this new elf character (whoâs name I canât remember) actually does the best job of acting like an elf. But since heâs the only one who behaves like that, he sticks out as being strange in this show.
Also I agree that they have ruined Galadriel. How can you take the most powerful sorceress in middle earth and turn her into a foot soldier? Can you imagine if they did something like that with Gandalf? If they were going to make Galadriel more grounded, at least make her conviction more understandable. The writers are relying on the fact that we as the audience know sheâs right about Sauron still being out there, which I think is lazy. They need to show why sheâs so convinced sheâs right. You know like maybe showing her having a vision since sheâs supposed to be telepathic and precognitive.
Edit: they also ruined Gil Gilad. Heâs supposed to be an S tier warrior king. Instead they decided to make him a frumpy politician. I wouldnât believe him ever being in a real fight
Celebrimbor is especially bad. The actor has no grace or gravitas.
Side note: how could this show not hire any A-listers? LOTR had Ian McKellen, Christopher Lee, Cate Blanchett. You need some stars to carry weak writing!
@@psell8628 no decent A list actor wanted to have anything with this abomination of a show :)
I'm ok about it ...the show would suck if Galadriel is like an uber-powered mary sue. if the show shows her character build, that would be emotionally investing.
@@psell8628 Ian McKellen and Christopher Lee hated making the movies, why would they want to make the shows? Also, those are movie actors who are generally on a different caliber than show actors, which sounds weird... but it's true. They do have A-list actors, you just don't know them is the issue...
Wow - I have exactly the same feelings about how elves are portrayed. And I agree that Arondir is actually best at it as he seems a bit more distant, less human - which is actually a good thing.
I feel like in this day and age filmmakers forgot to tell stories, they are all about visuals! They have bo real writers, they just add someone who is the cousin of someone an needs a job.
"Don't ask questions, just consume product and then get excited for next project!".
Disney has taken this approach with a million Star Wars/Marvel spinoff shows that are mostly "meh". I wouldn't be shocked if Amazon tries a similar approach and leave the possibility for a few LOTR spinoffs :/
just like AAA games. amazing graphiucs, boring gameplay, cringe dialogues
I feel like you forget bad movies and shows have always existed
It's it weird that I watch the angry Joe show primarily for Alex and other Joe. Joe seems to put in less effort in to his own channel and learning the back lore to stories than the others do
And 8 hour movie, where the first 2 hours already felt like 6 hours.
It feels exactly how I though it would. A billion dollar show with no heart or soul. Just shameless Tolkien rip-off.
I disagree, I think it had the heart and soul, and then some.
@@JamieSwitzer I don't know it pretty heartless to shit on a legacy
I hate when people use purposefully vague descriptors like "the acting just isn't there" or "the series has no soul" as if it actually fucking means anything. Its just easy shit to say that cant be easily disproved because its so subjective its impossible to have a meaningful conversation about it. How exactly do you quantify soul? The Harfoots have no heart? Elrond's excursion into the Dwarven mines, reconnecting with his old friend is soulless? Fuck off with that shit.
@@acidrain92 Making the kinslaying a stupid plot point because now we can just swim across hey?
Get outta here clown
@@acidrain92 Shitting on Tolkien's legacy sounds pretty soulless and heartless to me.
I don't think the excuse of "slow burn" for the mediocrity is valid here. Slow burn is where you know that something is happening, and other things will be revealed to us eventually. I have watched a lot of films and shows to realise a slow-burn when I see one. This isn't one of those. It is just expensive, and boring and that's about it.
Fellowship of the Ring, especially the extended cut, is a genuine slow burn. However we stuck with Frodo, we got to know him, his friends. It was also very clear what the goal was and what the stakes were. Get the ring to the volcano, if Sauron gets the ring we are doomed.
After two hours or Rings of Power we went from "evil is coming" to "here are all these characters, they know evil is coming." It's like if Gandald leaving the Shire to research the ring was the entirety of the first LotR.
Slow burn requires there to be an actual fire in the first place. This is more of a slow rotting
From, Midnight Mass, The Outer Range are some good examples of recently well done "slow burns" IMO.. If you haven't seen any of the 3 I highly recommend checking them out while waiting for this show to actually get good đ±đŽ
â@@jasonfenton8250 Completely agree. I consider Fellowship as my favorite out of the trilogy mostly because of the slow burn and world-building. and of course all of the extended editions can be considered slower burns to their theatrical counterparts but I live for that stuff. I feel like they tried to mimic the extended edition approach for this series without the capturing the essence of what it is supposed to accomplish.
@@justanothershirerat7584 you need to have good characters (possible not woke or at least make them interesting) and a really good plot to make a good slow burn. This is just boring after 35min in.
Honestly Nora *might* be my favourite character, weirdly enough. She's nice, fun, clever but light hearted, she has an arc and a power level appropriate quest. And her story is the only one with true mystery. The Harfoot have some nice worldbuilding too.
It's a chore to see the elf warrior though. I know the actor is looking for "stoic badass", but he just looks terminally constipated all the time. And his interaction with that healer lady are straight out of a telenovella.
I think you mean Nori. She's the only character of that useless Harfoot subplots that I don't wish death on. Unfortunately, "healer lady" has been typecast in my mind by the show Counterpoint.
I choked out of excitement when Galadriël picked up Mjölnir and exclaimed: "Are you not entertained!?" Before flying into outer space with a vengeance. Truly inspiring.
"Galadriel what is best in life?" "Crush the patriarchy, see them driven before strong wammin and hear the lamentations of the finance department !"
Personally I feel the costumes look like plastic garbage bags, however some of the cinematic shots were very pretty but. I was bord and the setting of the second age has so far been portrayed very half assed. Also not a single memorable track in this show. First 5 minutes of lotr movies have some of the best tracks of all time. When sauron showed up I get chills every time. Also id say Joe is the worst definition of a casual lotor fan ever.
And the elves looks like hobbits
What?? Maybe I'm blind
Really? I thought all the costumes looked pretty damn good. Only costumes I think felt hokey were some of the Dwarven armor, but that's about it.
The costumes look like plastic? Bro get glasses yes the show isn't the best however the costumes are one of its strong points
Sound track is incredible what are you on about lol. Itâs like Poeple in these comments were going in wanting to hate it and nitpick the dumbest reasons. Obviously music isnât objective, but they brought bear mccreary on for a reason. Dude is amazing at what he does and the music here is really incredible.
Best part for me is the interaction between Elrond and Durin.
Just a suggestion, but I feel like Alex should take the lead on this series (kind of like the AJS News). No shade to Joe, but Alex's familiarity with the lore makes his commentary much more valuable.
That being said, Joe does have the perspective of the average viewer that is likely not as familiar with the world as Alex (and the other superfans that are not happy with the show so far). I don't think these videos should get slammed with dislikes merely because Joe isn't as familiar with the original texts.
Edit: LOLed at OJ being jealous of Dwarf lady's sideburns
I LOVE Tolkienâs work and his entire world he created. And just they way the cast and show runners started talking about dictated if I was going to watch it or not. Spoiler alert I didnât. They backhand complimented Tolkienâs world and I donât appreciate that. They lost my view
I deliberately avoided all the noise before the release of the show, stayed clear from CZcams unless I was looking for specific unrelated content, no articles, etc. Fell asleep twice.
The first episode was pretty boring I agree. Gobblygook fantasy writing. Joe said the script was âgoodâ. Makes me appreciate Peter Jackson even more.
I like the part where Galadriel looks right into the mirror and proclaims "I'm gonna be a f@%king superstar" and then mounts Halbrand for that awesome sex scene
I want a link. Please, I canât go on for much longer without a link
The dwarf diversity really knocks me out of the immersion lol every time I see it
racist
Oh Lawd Dem Rangz of Powah!!!
@@thisistheplan414 Not racist. People have been imagining these things through the books a certain way for years. Then people saw them adapted to movies according to the books in the original way. Now all of a sudden things changed, for modern day political reasons, and it screws with the fantasy world that has already been well established.
Tolkien created these stories because he felt all the English had for folklore was King Arthur. If anything it is racist for Amazon and the shows directors to change these stories to suit their own world views.
You would be calling the show racist if Amazon took African folklore and changed the races of a bunch of characters from black to white or asian. But since they are changing them from white to black you think it's ok because your mind has been brainwashed into think bIackwashing is OK, righteous, and social justice.
@@thisistheplan414 Stop appropriating other people's culture. Create your own characters and stories.
@@Turin_the_Accursed i cant, gimme tolkein fo free
"It's a oil cow, let's give it American freedom" Alex is a treasure. đđđ
I compare the troll battles of movie 1 and this ep1. Many powerful heros (gandalf, legolas, aragon, gimly and boromir) it took them all to slay the troll in brutal battle that felt almost impossible to win, then we have younger elf take it down almost all by herself (sure some could say smaller troll) but this just doesn't build a character.
EXACTLY MY POINT. Like you telling me it took the ENTIRE FELLOWSHIP INCLUDING LEGOLAS to take out a cave troll but she just takes out ice troll WITHOUT LOOKING AT IT? ugh
@@TheRibottoStudios I read through your comment and that was well worded and I'm completely with you. I don't really comment on heroines, but Galadriel vs Eowyn. Eowyn doesn't have any powers and she's badass.
It shows that sheâs an absolute badass and precise as hell. the troll was wayyyy smaller and had no weapons nor a platoon of orcs with it.
"then we have younger elf take it down almost all by herself".... im pretty sure galadriel is older than the entire fellowship combined lol
@@cwolfc Galadriel is also the second or third most powerful being in middle earth behind Sauron and not named Tom Bombadil. I donât think a troll has any chance either haha
I love the part when Galadriel says "Allow me to break the ice. My name is Freeze. Learn it well, for it's the chilling sound of your doom."
Dude.. lmfaođđđ
"Ice to meet you."
Lmao I thought this was another "It's Morbin Time" joke
Nah, as a Tolkien fan, just nah. Life's too short for this. Had they done a completely original series with this style and storyline? Sure, i'd be on board. But as things are, i'd rathe watch House of the Dragon....
Lifeâs to short for you to be hating on this..
Imagine not being a hater and getting to enjoy both series yeah you should go that route, ask yourself why you being such a hater.
@@ashnate5070 imagine wasting your life on television shows, especially those that don't cater to your needs or tastes....
Id love to make a thread on the things I dislike about this show but Alex is spot on. Ive read all the books & Tolkiens letters many times, but please let Alex have the lead on this show, he knows his shit big time