What was 22's Spark? Disney Pixar Soul Theory - The Fangirl
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- čas přidán 26. 01. 2021
- Disney Pixar's Soul left many things unanswered. And the unborn soul of 22 spent thousands of years not finding a spark, so what made that Earth Pass activate?
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Just because it's animated (or even just Pixar), that doesn't mean it's a "kids film" or "made for kids"
sorry, the beginning of the video just made me want to point that out
Of course it doesn’t, but Pixar is internationally known as one of the biggest studios for children’s animation. Like, when Disney wanted to start doing television animation, they didn’t even label it as Walt Disney Animation, it turned into Disney Toon Studios. Or, when they wanted to do nature projects it’s DisneyNature, because they’re conveying to the audience that, yes, we are putting our quality stamp on this piece of media, but it may not align with what you would expect from our biggest studio. Pixar, I think, is at that point where they need to subdivide if they’re going to play around with their product.
@@TheFangirlWatches I mean, this is also the company who literally yeeted their entire main cast into furnace to almost die a gruesome and painful death and they were AWARE that there was no escape. They may not have died, but that's still pretty dark. Wall-e is set in a post apocalyptic world where earth was completely obliterated by humanity. Up... do I even need to EXPLAIN Up? Inside out was about the mental deterioration of a young girl, Pixar has never been afraid to go there and I don't see a difference with Soul.
I think that they are more than allowed to expand and grow up as a company. They should be allowed to have movies that feel more real, more adult.
My son is three and actually seemed to love the movie, at least the beginning for some reason haha. He definitely knows quiet coyote now every time I make the hand gesture he knows what it means. He doesn't always stay quiet for long, but he knows the phrase and the hand gesture.
when i watched soul it just felt like a more serious and nothing like a kids movie, I'm very mature and I'm good at handling death but the way soul handed it, i just felt kind of nervous. this is a good movie for older audiences
I also feel that 22 needed to contect to someone that was "normal". Not a elite or a mentor of high prestige. Just an "average Joe"......
She said she has had thousands of mentors, so I’m sure at least a few were “nobody’s.” But... It does seem that everyone who gets to be a mentor was an accomplished person in life so... hmmm... Maybe they didn’t have an average Joe before! Although, I am curious where this renowned child psychologist went to if Joe was able to randomly grab a name tag and never get called out as stealing it...
@@TheFangirlWatches Indeed. I honestly wonder, since the count was off, it booted the child psychologist off the mentor path to be chosen and he never appeared and he went to the great beyond. I also wonder if, he would have been able to a least talk to 22,and see deeper and might have connected with them, since in their hall way their memories they were shown to be doing alot of nature stuff and hanging out with family.
Also I found the name thing really funny. It's was mostly a play on words and I personally didn't notice it until I was discussing the movie with my husband and I was talking in mid sentence, that 22 needed to just meet an "average Joe" and it clicked for me. Same with 22's name. That fact that 22 needs to live, in order to get their spark, which would have been impossible to begin with, puts 22 in a Catch 22.
@@TheFangirlWatches SuperCarlinBrothers did a theory that the Jerry's actually brought Joe there on purpose to mentor 22 so she'd _finally_ find her spark. So that child psychologist (don't remember the name) was probably never supposed to be there at all. The Jerry's just made him up.
Looks like Joe has a friend on The Other side ( princess and the frog reference)
L.O.L.!
Just think about another 50 years from now when Joe is actually dead, goes into the Great Beyond, and what will happen when that abacus is showing a +1!
The movie is probably saying that cats have nine lives. After Joe left the cat, it probably came back to life.
Technically, cats don't have nine lives, it's a myth, which makes the cat being alive later for no reason (other than applying that myth) create itself another HUGE plothole. xD
@@BuizelCream I know that cats don’t have nine lives l, but in Soul and other movies and tv shows they do.
@@BuizelCream Myths are used all the time in animation, a myth can't be a plothole.
I actually really like it. Even when I was a little kid I had experienced a lot of rejection and harm growing up. I would have loved to see those kinds of emotions shown in movies more often growing up to help me feel less alone. I know that it's not the same for every kid but having those things present in media can help with understanding how you feel.
For me, there’s showing emotional range, like Hiro coping with the death of his brother, and then there’s just punches in the gut that often don’t amount to much and it’s a story reaching for emotions that are undeserved. Soul really doesn’t get to the point of trying to force sad emotions out of you, but they are definitely going to give kids an existential crisis if they’re not careful - I got one of those at about age 5 and that caused lifelong panic attacks and has severely impacted my life negatively, so I wish there was more care to handle these kinds of stories in films.
@@TheFangirlWatches I definitely get what you mean. I suppose it truly depends on the child and how they handle certain things and if the parent thinks they can handle those things. Like, the message of Soul is to live each day to the fullest and appreciate life, which is good, but the way it's told might be far too much for certain kids. I appreciate your perspective on it.
@@TheFangirlWatches comparing two different companies I see
I watched Spirit when I was a kid (the first or second film I saw in a theatre, actually), and loved it. Heavier elements included. Haven't seen Soul but I don't think it's a problem for a movie to appeal to all ages in a more serious manner.
There’s a difference though between making a movie that everyone can like and making a movie that is primarily aimed at adults having a mid-life crisis. Cars 3 takes some shots on that angle too, but the movie itself is very centered to a younger audience. Soul is like watching an Indy movie, but it’s from one of the biggest children’s movie studios in the world, so it sits with me strangely.
@@TheFangirlWatches soul isn’t an Indy movie though ratatouille is
I’m a simple human being. I see Soul I click.
I really like this movie okay?
You are totally allow to like it - a lot of people love it, I just find it way too heavy for a studio that produces movies aimed at kids. If this was a movie by Tim Burton I think it'd be too mild, lol.
This movie definitely spoke to me on a personal level!! I really like they debunked whole "you have to achieve something big or earn huge amounts of money to have a good/successful life" since it's nothing but a big flaw established by society :')) So, yeah, I know how you feel!! :D
I loved soul. My kids loved it also and had so many theories that we are still constantly discussing. I will say that I have these kinds of discussions with them anyway. They do think about a lot of things most kids probably don’t. It’s one of my favorite movies.
This theory for 22 kind of meshes with my own theory of what her "spark" was. I theorized that it was curiosity itself that sparked her will to live. Learning about why others lived made her WANT to live.
i dont know at least in my expirience kids understand teh heavier themes a lot better than they give them credit for. Like maybe they dont realize the full scope of the situation but they see what's happening and think about it later in life.
I hope there aren’t many kids out there who can related to feeling like an unfulfilled failure in life (like Joe felt about himself). This should have been called mid-life crisis the movie, lol.
@@TheFangirlWatches I hope there are so they can get there passion early
@@TheFangirlWatches I didn't saw the whole movie (my 4y/o got bored when they first leave the "great before" so I change to something else), but I think children are supposed to connect with 22 and to connect with Joe later in life, while adults relate with Joe and the movie tells us that there are not "difficult" children just kids that need love, empathy and meaningful connections (like you said, all previous mentors explain things but didn't really care for 22)
"You are the greatest... pain in the butt!" -Muhammad Ali to 22
"You are the greatest.. theorist I ever watched!" -Me to Fangirl
If 22 had more mentors, I would love to see her with John F. Kennedy, Vincent van Gogh, Malcom X, Joan of Arc, Adam West, and Uncle Phil from Fresh Prince of Bel-air.
Aww, flattery will get you everywhere darling! lol
But OMG Uncle Phil and Batman would be AMAZING mentors! How did they skip the opportunity to get any super crazy fun ones in the movie?!
I kind of seeing Vincent Van Gogh being more lenient with 22 though as Vincent experience a lot of rejection in his own life.
@@TheFangirlWatches there two different franchises why would they be there mentor
@@TheFangirlWatches you're welcome, and you are right because whenever I do my own kind of flattery to my family, they think I'm a sweetheart or hilarious.
And since 22 had thousands of mentors that hated her, I think she would anger James Avery *(Uncle Phil)* so much that he would say: "You make me so mad, that I would rather throw you out the door than Jazz!" It would be a great tribute to both James Avery and Adam West since everyone sees them as hilarious and legendary.
I thought Soul had an amazing message to this movie and I’m so sad that more people didn’t like it. A lot of people also seem to not like or understand 22… As an autistic individual myself, I heavily relate to 22’s experience. She hasn’t just given up on going to Earth but she’s scared of it as well. She is comfortable in the great before, with her routine and what is familiar to her, as it is what and all she knows. She can’t relate to anyone or anything with others there so how could she on Earth?
When she lands in Joe’s body, she is overwhelmed by New York, her senses have been violated, (light, sound, smells, people being too close to her) she is terrified and she doesn’t understand what’s going on in the world around her. However, she slowly starts finding things that she loves and appreciates. Things she experiences and feels that the people around her take for granted. This is a very common autistic experience because of sensory sensitivities and struggling to communicate or reading social rules and undertones. Often overwhelmed by the world, we find joy in things that other people will find mundane, or niche.
22 also doesn’t understand social cues or why people do/say the things they do. Like Connie, when she wants to give up playing trombone but is actually just struggling within herself because of her love for her trombone. 22 can’t see or understand that in the moment. She’s also super blunt and straight to the point which proves to be awkward at times, or even straight up offensive, but also appreciated too, like when she gets a haircut in Joe’s body.
Autistic people constantly face rejection for who we are, how we feel, people not understanding our experience and writing us off as cold and emotionless when/if we can’t read a room. If we can’t love things like how other people do. It can be a very sad and lonely world, and it’s easy to feel like you are not good enough, to not reach out and try because you’re so used to being treated and viewed a certain way.
And if you’re not that autistic person who is really good/talented at a special interest (being good at math, super smart in something or have amazing memory) then you’re kinda… Written off, at least in my experience. Because people really are obsessed with making their passions, their work, their entire life. So if you aren’t doing the same thing… It’s very easy to feel like you are not enough. And that’s how 22 ends up feeling near the end of the movie. She feels worthless.
So I love the message of this movie. It gives me a lot of hope. Even if I never find my thing, my spark, the thing that I’m good at, or relate to people like how I want, we all deserve to live and be happy no matter what. That life is still worth living, even if you have a different neurotype or feel differently from everyone else. ♡
Definitely great insight on 22's character! I've had friends on the spectrum that had similar struggles growing up, and what you said is very true!
I feel like you're really harping on what you expected the movie to be vs valuing the movie for what it was, and idk it just seems silly
Fun fact: 22's spark was expiriencing
Life cuz there was whool pizza
Leaf lollipop cuz most ppl
Luvs expiriencing life
what?
Why do you think it was dark? I don't feel that way _at all_ and I'm struggling to even think of what parts of the movie would strike you that way. Parts are bittersweet and a little sad sure (and that describes _every_ Pixar movie anyway) but _dark?_ I'm just not seeing it.
I love Soul Made me feel motivated.
I must be depressed or something because it made me feel more like “what’s the point?” Guy gets his dream opportunity and then feels nothing after he does it - it just becomes another thankless job he trudges through.
@@TheFangirlWatches I feel that but that what I love about the movies it's not happy are sad ending up interpretation. he'll find another goal to work towards making a family are become a solo pianist. that's why I love this movie.
@@TheFangirlWatches In no don't think you
are depressed I think you just thinking of it in a different way because you're a theorist And that is your spark. Keep up the good theories I love your videos❤❤👍
This movie genuinely helped me getting a better view on my life. I'm a 16 year old who was really into art and and animation to the point where I felt like that was my entire life "I mean if I can't make the next Avatar last air bender what's even the point of drawing". At first I really didn't think I would like soul because a trailer got released in my country revealing the body swap plot but I knew the animation would be good and I really wanted to see more of those semi 2D creatures. So I sat dow and watched the movie on my computer yesterday and what do you know... I didn't like it.. but I kept waiting and at the moment I realized Joe wasn't in the zone while playing his dream job, my eyes started to tear up. And when playing while thinking about 22 got him into the zone, I started thinking about my own dreams and thought "am I really a lesser person if I don't achieve this?". Safe to say I was basically a waterfall for the rest of the movie. I will still keep drawing and I will stille keep going for that dream but i won't let it take over my life. And I like thinking that Joe feels the same way about music. That's why I personally love the open ending. Thank you for reading
it doesn't matter if you don't feel you have achieved something "conventionally". Like Joe's mom says you need to settle and have a stable career. Just do what feels good. not every one is meant to settle. If you want to draw, just draw. We have bean trained to live our life a certain way. But who decided this? When was those decided? Was everyone heard in that meeting?? No. Don't think that you are lesser than anyone if you can't do something the way they do it. You do you! Ultimately it's your happiness and your sense of achievement.
we don’t need another avatar.
Yay, I found you! I did not see you for a long time. I knew you did a Coraline review and I watched other stuff. I searched through Coraline reviews and was like is this the right thumbnail. Have a good one!
Spirit was literally the only horse movie I liked as a child (unless you count racing stripes which technically is a horse race movie but the main character is a zebra) I literally broke the my vhs copy spirit bc of how much id rewind the tape to watch it over and over. It was the favorite thing I got for my 5th birthday.
Soul was amazing tho and extremely heartfelt it did feel kind of too long tho I could see it maybe not holding a child's attention and I think that's the only real issue I have with it being a kids movie.
i disagree with you saying there were no child elements to soul as someone who is currently a younger teen i could relate a lot to both 22's and joes journeys like how 22 doesn't know what she wants to do with her life even though everyone keeps asking her and joes tunnel vision on one goal or dream are both things i have experienced. and what they do with 22 being a lost soul and mental health also really helped feel seen because even younger people can struggle with that kind of thing and even though it was kind of a sad movie is made me feel seen and optimistic but this could all just be personal opinion lol (im also using my moms account to write this so yeah)
megan: there is one thing that stands out more than anything else to give 22 her spark
me: the leaf.
megan: love
....oh!
also, this is now my favorite pixar movie tbh X3
Really? I’m so surprised how much everybody else loves it! It felt like an Indy movie that would have gotten mediocre mixed reviews if it didn’t have the Pixar label slapped on it.
@@TheFangirlWatches damn, rlly?
OML IT'S BEEN SO LONG SINCE I'VE WATCHED THIS CHANNEL!
I hope I can get back into your videos! lol
Where ya been? Well, welcome back, there’s a bunch of videos out now so hopefully there’s at least a few you’ll like! :)
@@TheFangirlWatches I bet there is! I'm glad that I found your content again!
The cat came back to life cause cats are magical 😹
I’ll accept that answer, lol
My 11 year old liked the movie as did I we both watched it and talked about it but he just lost his grandpa so he s been thinking about this kind of thing so I think it helped him in some ways
I’m so sorry your son lost his grandfather. That’s a rough loss. :( But I’m glad that he found a movie that helped him feel even a little bit better.
I liked the movie, but I don't think it was as emotional as other Pixar movies. There's also a few character choices that I don't really like, but I won't get into that. I heard a lot of people say that 22's spark is "jazzing". I'm not exactly sure what that means tho. Also, I'm pretty sure the cat was a reference to the fact that cats have 9 life's. So, Joe took one of it's lives, lol
You’re totally right, Soul is not as emotionally draining as Toy Story 3/4. Their aim really isn’t to make you cry, but to make you step back and think about your life and the fact that it could end at any given moment. But, for a 3=9 year old, that might be a LOT to take in, and, for some of those kids, it might be the first time they’re asked to really consider their own mortality. That can turn into a freaky thing fast! But, dang it! I want more information about that cat and how the Souls work, lol.
Just discovered your channel. Love the content!
I think pixar movies provide good food for thought. It opens up conversations for any age and encourages critical thinking, which most "kids movies" that are churned out of America don't provide
That’s not an unfair point, but the shift to such an adult movie without really much, if any, child elements to it was very unexpected for me.
@@TheFangirlWatches That's fair enough. I'm interested to see what a younger audience thinks about it when they've reached an older age and see what impact it had and if their perspective of the movie changes as they age.
Soul is a deep, mature movie. And that why I love it. It so amazing. I love it.
It is very deep and mature, and it leaves so many loose ends for a movie that it makes me nuts. It’s really more like an Indy movie - for example, in Real Women Have Curves they go on and on and on about this dress, and we never see the flipping dress! Soul is over and over is like “hey, you know that thing?” “Yeah.” And then they never cover the thing again!
@@TheFangirlWatches I think that what make Soul well Soul. It leaves so much open questions. So it kinda like Coraline in a way.
Sorry if this sound dumb. Let's just put it as. I like it.
My husband’s theory on the cat is that cats are born with 9 lives(souls) living in them at the same time. Also he figured maybe that’s why they go crazy in the middle of the night, the different souls trying to control the body(this theory was shared with me around 3 AM when our cats were ripping through the house).
I liked the movie but my 6 year old got bored multiple times and left to go play
I have not seen Soul, but now I feel like I have to. ♥ Still LOVING your videos! Keep'em coming! ♥♥♥♥♥
It is worth seeing at least once, so I hope you enjoy it!
I am curious about who Joe was talking to on his cell phone before he died. He did not seem to have any or many close friends, so who did he call? I think you are right about Pixar needing to figure out their audience especially when the writers of Frozen 2 had to rewrite so much to fit a child's perspective, because their test audience included children as young as 5. I know Frozen is not Pixar, but after watching the cut scenes, it looked like the movie could have been so much better. If Frozen had to do it, then Pixar should too😅
I'm just glad that Frozen 2 attempted to age up their story a bit more, and at the same time I actually appreciate Jennifer Lee and Chris Buck for deciding to actually simplify their story later on in the production for the sake of the more important targeted audience, which are the bigger ones. The deleted scenes were awesome, and those cut content can actually be told well for the younger audience, but I think most of those were cut because of plotpoint changes over time more than the simplifying process for kids.
Because of this, Soul is definitely a weird film. I love the direction of its inciting incident, but when the soul world was introduced where things started to get shaky, and never really landed well in the end. My takeaway with Soul is that it started telling a story about very specific things, but it ended with an underwhelming vague ending.
Frozen 2 isn’t pixar
Can you do a video about where spinel got her weapon?
The answer is probably simple - since the Diamonds have abandoned a lot of places and stopped trying to conquer the universe, there’s probably a bunch of surplus weapons just hanging around.
@@TheFangirlWatches ooh okay thank you for answering I was confused on where she got all of her weapons
@@TheFangirlWatches can you do a theory about who wrote the letters to Luz mom in the owl house?
Spirit of the Cimarron appeals to horse lovers. Soul is for teenagers, college age, and adults.
You can see this in the new soul short, where all her friends pass on to life leaving her alone and salty.
Personally I feel this movie is made for “old souls”... I watched it because my idol recommended it after he and his fans (us) experienced a tough 2020. We survived and this movie works as a language for us to communicate, and spark our 2021 and years ahead.
I remember seeing the posters in the street around December 2019 and thinking "ugh, not another cool universally themed Pixar movie !" (like Up, which I really enjoyed) but then, I saw it as the pandemic was starting to settle down in our lives and it really resonated with me, I thought this was the movie to watch during the pandemic, with its conclusion on appreciating life for what it is no matter what...and I loved the worldbuilding. I think some elements were probably targeted for younger audiences, the body swapping, the little souls waiting for their sparks, depicted like being in some kindergarten ("quiet coyote") and of course 22, behaving like an insufferable brat before moving on to her awkward "teenage" not good enough phase...
I think its made for older kids, that may understand this sentiment. Because honestly me at 14-17 would have appreciated a movie about appreciating life in a new refreshing way. I was quite sad and lonely. Seeing a movie about the deep, joyful part of life would have really helped me. It's a really profound movie about what life is really about. It's about living and loving every second of it. That there isn't one purpose to life. It's about connecting with others.
Joe went back to teaching middle school, but this time he has more passion about it because he realized that his influence was far more significant than he thought. He wasn't appreciating life. He thought that once he played this gig he would be satisfied, but he wasn't. And that's why he wasn't happy. He expected it to fill that void. We all feel like we're chasing a dream or even the concept of happiness. We keep chasing complete joy but it doesn't truly exist. Instead we should appreciate the life we have. I honestly believe that people of all ages can understand this idea. They might not understand to the degree an adult does. But a lot of us don't feel content in our lives. Also, there are people that live very similar lives to Joe or even to the kids in the middle school. It's good representation for them. They can finally feel seen.
Cats have 9 lives. 😅 lol
That makes sense if they explain it, but 9 lives is just in reference to their adaptability, I didn’t think they had 9 souls in there (8 after one goes to the Great Beyond lol)!
@@TheFangirlWatches this is true. My son is the one that pointed that out to me. There are to many things that have to get pieced together in this movie. Tbh my kids dont really like it, i think that Pixar kinda missed the mark on this one.
My daughter was 1 year old watching it and she loved it… she even wants toys of 22
I remember watching Spirit in theaters and loved it! And yes, I was a very young child when it came out. So I think kids can enjoy movies like that. Maybe not all children, but I think some can. As for Soul, I really liked it. But I still think Inside Out is my favorite Pixar movie.
Oh there are children that definitely did enjoy Spirit from day 1, but it’s very “off” for how a movie aimed at children would go. Like Pinocchio - some people love it, some people get horrific nightmares from the many crazy, dark parts of the movie.
I can’t wait to see this movie!
I agree with u. But the one thing I must add. The cat's death and how he came back to life at the end.... cause cats have 9 lives
See I’ve always heard that and known it’s something people say because cats are adaptable and versatile, so that did not click for me at all lol.
@@TheFangirlWatches I though it was a real life easter egg. Might not b true but it works for me. By the way awesome video
Have you seen Primal if you have would you ever do videos of it because I think this is one of Genndy best works in years
I know I’ve heard of it, but I don’t think I’ve seen anything from it yet. I’ll have to see if it’s on one of the streaming services we have!
But why was the image of the helicopter seed repeated so many times?
I think what was interesting was when 22 trys the pizza and she got into it like ratatouille when rema try 2 foods and thats why food could be a spark but love makes a great deal of sense.
Also love the movie soul alot I think its for all ages
I just loved Soul, but I do agree that it was more for older kids, or in the very least, not for kids to watch alone. I think kids would get a lot from it, just... with guidance.
What clicked with you most about the movie? I really struggled to find my spark in there, so I guess I’m a version of 22 myself!
It definitely is for kids,kids are more smart than you think
I know you’re questioning who Soul was made for but what about the Incredibles? A super hero movie made by Pixar. One of the internal conflicts is that Helen thought that Bob was having an affair. Syndrome killing off other heroes because of what Bob Parr said to him when he was a kid. That sounds dark when you think about it. At least the humans in the Incredibles looked good.
Oh The Incredibles definitely has some mature themes, and those are one of the things that make it appealing to adults (those ultra realistic arguments really landed well for most parents!), but there was also a lot of easier-to-absorb things for children too. The basic plot was good guys versus bad guys, and the three kids have a lot going on to make things relatable to younger viewers. Plus, MOST people can relate to being in a family, no matter what their age is, so all the bickering and back-and-forths create something very realistic, relatable, and interesting to watch. I think 22 was such an “adult” in her behavior that Soul largely missed the opportunity to be more inviting for kids.
10:09, interesting point.
I deeply appreciated that in the end it was a middle school band director that reached 22 and helped her (albeit) by accident to earn her spark. To me the message was, here is this impossible student who can’t be taught, we have tried all these famous and amazing people but ultimately it was a typical middle school teacher that connected with 22.
PS, My father was a middle school band director so this movie touched a special place for me
are you going to talk about Dancing with the Cars Disney+?
I think it's good for kids to see kinda dark stuff. I don't think we should sugar coat death for children. I don't for my brothers. I think kids should know that
1. We all die one day
2. You can't escape death
3. Death isn't scary
Death happens and there is no way around it.
You'll grieve your loved ones and it'll hurt but I believe that they are always with you.
I live by the idea
" I'll do my best in life and if I go somewhere nice when I die then that's great but if I don't and there is nothing then at least I can say that I lived a life worth living."
There’s a lot to be desired there for age and ability to understand/process things. There are kids you end up with anxiety for their entire life before they were exposed to something to young - and as ones of those people who’s had panic attacks since I was 5, I do not recommend shoving things down a kid’s throat before they’re ready and it’s an age appropriate conversation.
@@TheFangirlWatches I have anxiety as well and extreme ptsd that I got from a young she but it was not educating me on things that were needed in life that gave me those issues from the start.
I kind of wish Soul had been independently produced instead of made under the Pixar/Disney banner. I love Pete Doctor's direction, I love the animation (although not so much the character designs), i love the music, but you can tell that Disney has certain checkboxes that their movies have to check, and it really puts a lot of constraints on the creative and emotional aspects. This movie is trying to make people feel something, when it shouldn't need to, the story should speak for itself like the Studio Ghibli movies.
I think this concept would have been delivered so elegantly through Studio Ghibli. But, yes, we agree 100% that this doesn’t feel like a Pixar movie because of the theme and the appeal being more for middle aged adults. I think it’s time they subdivide and use a related, but separate, studio name for movies that aren’t really aimed at young audiences.
@@TheFangirlWatches it certainly does it just doesn’t have the same maturity
Don’t they explain this in the movie? The spark is just the signifier that you’re ready to go to earth
My 8 year old really liked it and understood its points, and she usually hates watching movies. So, I think there was plenty in it for children.
Nice theory by the way could you do a theory on thx 1138 like what happened to the surface what caused humanity to retreat underground/why is humanity underground
You caught me with another one I haven’t heard of! Oh no! I think my next video is going to be on Endeavor from My Hero Academia.
The Fangirl I know I think you should watch thx 1138
I’m convinced that her spark is food. It comes up too much for it not to be important.
It's not love that sparked 22
Its life itself
She enjoyed getting yelled at by the dude on the subways
She played on the sewer grate just to feel the air
She loved the fact shed feel love
Also, this movie has been one of the most thought provoking movies, I've watched in a long time. I actually felt like I can connect on a lot deeper of a level than others. Many movies have a simple storyline and an overused theme. This one is different.
Well as a teenager, I really enjoyed Soul 💙
Give children more credit . This movie was good :)
I thought it was the pizza lol
I mean hangry sparks a lot of things in me! lol
I haven't seen "Soul", but speaking of sad stuff in movies, I just watched a video about "Return to Oz". Now there's a scary movie for kids with lots of death!
I’m scanning through my memory of Return to Oz, but I can’t recall anyone who dies other than the Nome King (which was crazy and graphic!). There were a lot of “oh they’re gone forever” moments that ended up being a fake out though.
@@TheFangirlWatches I meant when everyone was stone. They were "dead".
7:24, I never saw it.
The fact that you think a movie will traumatize forever a child just emphasize the stereotype of “ animation is for kids exclusively” pixar is famous by always making/giving a message but making it understandable and colorful enough for kids. Kids, specially these days with technology and so, are way more aware that other generations. And you never know if a movie like soul and a character like 2 will open their eyes to understand even more or even feel identified with. A movie that is a bit matured than what is expected from a “kids movie” won’t kill them, it will give them more clever ways of thinking or seeing life. Im sure you can think of a movie that caused that effect on you.
I may not be it audience target but im into the animation career, and i actually loved the movie in an aesthetic and concept way. Just like in inside out, the movie helps to explain how sadness is not bad in a simple way, soul does that too but with death and wanting to enjoy life as best as you can by actually living life, and its not like its a crude movie it has it comedy too. Pixar always make a huge investigation before doing movies, coco is a good example tho, me being mexican i was worried they would fall in offensive stereotypes, but in the end many considered it a love letter for Mexico from Pixar with how great it was made.
I literally cried when the movie showed the background of 22 in their “lost soul self” because im sure many kids have felt that way because of their parents who think they are making them a favor by insulting them or comparing them with other kids with their “tough honesty” , and seeing the protagonist comfort 22 and actually give them the compasion they looked for centuries made even more impactful for me at least. this kinds of movies are what can make a difference in someone’s way of thinking, i watched it with low expectations and it surprised me good way.
My kids watched it on desney plus before me I found it full of holes but I felt when he found her lost it was deep depression and her spark was life itself I do enjoy darker movies but I don't think it's a kid film
I LOVED Soul. I felt like it’s just meant for everyone. Every person that is alive can take something from it in my opinion.
That’s interesting, because my youngest kid couldn’t even stand to finish it and he watches most things with great fixation. I really think it misses the mark for younger audiences, but, if kids can find something in there that’s relatable, I’m happy for them. :)
I do agree that fake out deaths I’m getting really tired and they are unnecessary. But I never really found out that Pixar did them badly if not at all.
Coco got a little ridiculous with the “true death” deaths. Like, they’re dead, do we really need to ADD stakes to that to make it worse?!
The thing about animation, and what Pixar has said time and time again, they want to tell stories. Animation is a tool to tell stories and it can be heavy at times, so I honestly welcome this existentialism approach they went with. Kids may not understand some of the themes much like they may not understand the themes of infidelity in the Incredibles, or over commercialism in Wall-E, but it's there and they will see it when they grow older and gain a better appreciation for it. I know I did watching this film. I may not be a 40 some year old, but I know what it's like to not be able "live" for most of your life due to a narcissist parent and now I cherish very grocery run, every walk, every snow fall, every time I discover a new dish... It all apart of living... And this movie.... Put how I feel, for how alot of people need to see and appreciate .... How to just live. You have one life, what do you have to lose?
If you look at Pixar’s library, 20 out of their 24 films are 100% child friendly without super heavy focus on emotional issues or dark themes. Even with movies that I find to have darker tones, like Coco, it’s still overall light hearted, colorful, fun, and everything works out nicely at the end. But now we have Soul, where nothing really wraps up - at best the movie ends at the climax - and we have dozens of unanswered questions because the movie gave almost no payoffs. Some people like that or don’t mind the openness or mature themes, but Soul is definitely way different from Pixar’s formula. They have always told stories from the perspective of entertaining young audiences while making something also enjoyable for adults - Soul is so one sided compared to everything else. But, you are totally welcome to love it and see things differently.
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I will have to really disagree with you. Kids are a lot smarter then you think and it's important to show mature themes to kids. Yes cheap deaths like in Inside out are not needed. Remember that Steven Universe has plenty of mature themes too. I don't think Pixar should make stuff that fits more in the "made for kids" category. What do you mean by "there is nothing that is made for kids" there is it's The Great Beyond and the slapstick at the hospital? Lastly I'm very surprised about your opinion It's very much not like you at all. I hope your feeling are not hurt. I do recommend you look at other peoples reviews. Hope you stand safe and happy.
You are more than allowed to disagree, but I still have to hold this invisible line that movies are for escapism (not every movie, of course, but if you notice the most successful ones tend to be heavy in escapism), and that movies from a kids studio should not be revolving around a theme that you’re going to die at any given moment. I understand part of that is a personal issue, but I had death rubbed in my face nonstop to the point that I started having panic attacks when I was about 5 years old. Crying for weeks straight, shaking, throwing up, and screaming all night long that I didn’t want to die. I’d calm down after weeks of going through that Hell, then something else overwhelming would happen and trigger that cycle all over again. I’ve met with other kids like me over the years, so I’m not an isolated case, and you don’t know which kids will get seriously messed up from this stuff until it happens. So, do I see movies that try to manipulate your emotions as a good thing? No. And, do I see movies dealing with big topics like death as a positive thing for a children’s movie studio to produce? Definitely not! Even Coco for the most part was light hearted and adventurous with a fulfilling ending, but Soul is just Middle Aged Crisis: The Movie, and I wish Pixar would have subdivided into another studio rather than mix Soul in with their library of children-oriented films. Yes, yes, “not every animated movie is made for kids,” but that is 100% of what Pixar made until Soul, so it can create misleading perceptions to people who see the Pixar banner slapped on a movie like this.
@@TheFangirlWatches I just want say that this movie isn’t about death as you think. It’s we got to remember the small things and not underestimate. Still recommend you look at other peoples reviews for other perspectives and then maybe can see it differently. It’s fine if you still disagree.
@@TheFangirlWatches but that’s fine pixar have had many movies the same tone as soul ratatouille for example
Her "spark" was wanting to LIVE. Every "spark" is just learning about life. Also, 22 never wanted to be born because she always thought it was useless. You need to watch the movie without thinking about questions about this. You really aren't aw good as you used to...
I don’t have any proof, not involved with children but it wouldn’t surprise me if older children can enjoy and understand soul and perhaps it is for children, a teaching experience so they understand life’s big questions and feel the full impact
Hold on- AN]nyone else get an add for soul before the video started?
Me: I’m not sure that I liked Soul.
Pixar: Cue the ads!
In the end when you ask us our opinion on if we feel this is kid friendly. I mean it has the cute factor, but I agree with you on how there is no real child like elements. In the extras on Disney+ "Pretty deep for a cartoon " the director literally said, "The noobs are the key to the little kids. So that if we can find appeal, they're like the puppies of the movie, thay should be so cute and funny, and unexpected." Then they immediately show the scene of the "noobs" saying, "hell, hell hell." when Joe asks if hes in H E double hockey sticks... I'm sorry, THATS his way of appealing to the kids! Smh 🙄
When Joe asks 22 to put lotion on himself, you think that 22 was sparked at that moment of pleasure?
I'm just joking, but honestly I believe the spark came from her fears being fully faced. At the moment of maximum fear being faced, there was minimal fear, thus causing her to live in the absolute moment. She even stood up to Joe's mom in a comparison of facing her own demon. The point of the spark, being present and spontaneous.
Just my interpretation.
Hi I haven’t watch the movie but what you say about it sound like it’s more for older people like 23 + I think because I was in love and I feel lost and I have lost a job. I think that it’s something for adults maybe. Again I haven’t watch it. So I have a open mind an heart for it when I get the chance to watch it. Have a nice day. Kah
I made it to the end! I always do and always will!
Thank you so much, Michael!
@@TheFangirlWatches welcome so much!
I loved the movie Soul. I think since the world is so crazy at the moment the movie is geared toward everyone. They want people to come together and heal. If that's not correct it's just my opinion and I want them to make another movie. I enjoyed the movie it was funny, different, healing, and just all-around interesting.
Hey, there are no wrong opinions, just different ones! Reading your comment, I’d actually be interested in seeing Pixar take on a politically themed movie where the main character is a politician.
@@TheFangirlWatches there are wrong opinions it’s just not right to tell someone there opinion is wrong
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5:57, 🙋
I just read the transcript of that movie and it seems to me that she had earned that spark when she was holding that maple seed.
Or was it only me?
That was a moment they focused on for a few seconds, but it was also in the same little montage of seeing the father daughter (where there was a visible face change on 22).
"It was love Harry"
It’s not a children’s film it’s a family film there’s a difference family films can touch on darker themes I assume with the intent of opening up a conversation between the parents and the children. Sorry the this is a pet peeve of mine. Pixar doesn’t usually make movies that don’t have dark themes
I very much disagree. A “family film” IS a kid film, because they are created in a way that children can absorb and understand them - so they are dumbed down or certain elements are played into harder to keep an appeal to youth. The difference, though, is that a family film tries to pull itself together in a way that adults can watch it too without wanting to jump off a roof (as my dad will tell you, Pokémon movies are NOT family films, they are not entertaining, and after the 3rd one he endured I was told he can’t do handle any more lol). Not to mention Pixar has only recently adopted a “dark” tone of movie. Toy Story one is a happily-ever-after movie, so is Bug’s Life, Toy Story 2, Finding Nemo, The Incredibles, Cars, Ratatouille, WALL-E, Up, Cars 2, Brave, Monsters University, Finding Dory, Cars 3, and The Incredibles 2. Other movies have some dark moments or a bitter sweet ending, but are overall aimed at younger audiences (that parents can survive/enjoy too), like Monsters Inc, Toy Story 3, Inside Out, The Good Dinosaur, and Onward. That’s TWENTY movies out of the 24 Pixar has released. And even 3 of those other 4 movies are still very kid-centric in their story telling, but Soul is a middle aged crisis on screen and does not really fit with the way Pixar has made movies or told stories before.
@@TheFangirlWatches I never said they didn’t have happily ever after type movies they do it’s just that a lot of these movies also touch on some very dark stuff. Also for soul I feel like kids will not be paying as much attention to joe’s story as they are to22s. It almost feels like the movie has two separate storylines one for children and one for their parents which is admittedly a different way to make a family film than they normally would do but I think it still works
It definitely is a kids film it just has mature themes
I LOVE this movie! Afterwards I turned to my Husband and said that this was amazing and my favorite 💝! I loved that it had adult characters that were not idiots. And that it didn’t do the tired old trope of killing off a child’s mother or trying to turn the angst bratty child into a “hero” with no merit.
i never cried with any disney movie ever tbh. and that includes pixar. they just never affected me. i was always like "aww that's sad" and moved on quickly......... ANIME HOWEVER!
Yeah I had tear ducts of steel before I had kids, so... uh... watch out for that! lol
@@TheFangirlWatches in my case, i don't want children. i do cry about stuff but its usually because I'm sad about my own problems or even sad for someone else. but movies.... meh.
unless there's like a dog that dies or something. those r a good 50/50 cheap tear jerker for me :')
I loved Spirit as a Kid (mandatory I am not an have never been a horse girl disclaimer) but spirit was a horse girl movie their a tons of them that are like spirit that just aren't as mainstream
Okay, I AM a horse girl, and I’m struggling to think of any other movies like Spirit. I know some live action ones that had more of a teen or adult audience, but nothing animated is coming to mind except the My Little Pony movie, and that was 100% aimed at 6 year old little girls, lol.
I guess is just pixar being pixar
They have this thing of forcing the viewers to cry or at least feel something that make them think... owwww this is a good movie, I almost cry.
Also, that is one of the best Tinkerbell movies, no my #1 but close
I made it to the end!😆
Thank you for always watching start to finish!
They kind of glossed over the fact that most of 22's mentors, while famous for doing good, were actually flawed and even problematic people. For example, Mother Teresa is known for her acts of kindness toward the poor and the sick, but really she just sort of gave them a place to die while not tapping into the vast accounts of the catholic church to improve anyone's life. Also, she's number 22, which kind of implies that she would have been born near the beginning of human history if she'd had her spark. It kind of makes me wonder who he/she would have been. Also, did anyone else facepalm when Joe was offered a full-time job with health insurance and he wasn't SURE if he should accept it?
Oh yeah, Joe not jumping on that job offer and treating it like a prison sentence was maddening! Especially since that band PLAYED AT NIGHT! Not a lot of middle school band events happen at night! Marching Band starts in high school, which means there’d be, what? 1 or 2 concerts a year he’d have to stay late at school for. Plus, band teachers don’t tend to grade papers or have to stay at the school as long as other teachers. So... what exactly stopped Joe from living his dream in the evenings and teaching during the day? For me, this movie shows Pixar as more elitist and out-of-touch compared to their earlier stories. Their movies were a lot better when Pixar was made up of a bunch of people in their 20s who still remembered what childhood felt like, and not the mid-life crisis crew we keep getting lately.
Thats the whole idea though. He wasn't appreciating what he had. He was too focused on being a popular musician. He didn't want to end up as a full time music teacher.
I think altruism is what sparked her... I feel I relate to 22 very much!!!
I think it was the helicopter seed.
I thought it was pizza, bc you couldn’t taste food before?
That's enough to spark me, but I think 22 took in a lot more than that - especially since she had so many negative relationships before.
You kinda sound a bit like 22 the soul
lol, I’ll trade bank accounts with that voice actor any day!
Does woody have a soul?
Don't worry the cat has 8 lives left
Oooooh, you know I didn't even think about the 9 lives angle! I wish they would have said it in the movie! But, hmmm, judging by the fact that Woody tries to protect his people, look out for his children, and feels a lot of heavy emotions, if he DOESN'T have a soul, then I don't want one either!
There is a CZcams video about that, but I haven’t watched it yet.
Everyone has a soul no matter how robotic
Its spiritual movie not ones metaphysical movie
Not everything animated has to be for kids
I really like soul, but I agree that the animation style especially the humans was very off putting.
Yeah I’m not sure how they made the souls so adorable and the humans so misshapen. They aren’t even like cutesy cartoon misshapen, it’s like we’re back in 2005 with Monster House, lol.
I loved the soul animation
My question, are manholes that dangerous that you could get into a coma?
Oh yeah, you’re going to drop about 10 feet STRAIGHT DOWN. My mom stepped on one that wasn’t on right and it flipped over - if the manhole cover had fully left the manhole she would have probably died. Instead she just got stuck for a few minutes.
Joe wasn’t in a coma he was in purgatory
When I watch the movie I usually skip by all the real world scenes
That’s an interesting way to watch it!
It’s the real world that I’d say makes it so good
If you want to listen to a good middle school band just look up artesia Nam middle school band
It’s the first one that comes up