No Escape: EVERY US Carrier Sold Your Location Data with 0.02% Penalties from the FCC!
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This video got completely demonetized. I find it funny that every major US cellular provider is allowed to monetize my personal location data without my consent, while I can't monetize my commentary reporting on it. God bless America!
I guess for every video could go into an open bidding period where people compete to be the primary advertiser for the video, maybe even make it transparent so we can all see if nobody wants their brand associated the content...
You are too obsessed with the fine and ignored the fact that the FCC fined and stopped them from doing this. Stopping them is the most important part here. The FTC has been killing it too. They just banned all employer non-complete clauses last week. People voted well in 2020 and need to do it again this year. You are ranting against getting what you wanted, stopped data sharing.
@@_PatrickO But they didn't stop them, they just determined it was illegal and said here's a fine, the FCC has no power to make them stop. All these companies will continue to collect and sell your location data because the punishment is significantly less than the amount of money they are making from it.
@@eps-nx8zg Show me where it says these companies won't get punished more if they break the law again? The whole point of this action was to put a stop to it by reasserting the law that this data sharing is a illegal.
Would you rather the FCC ignored these crimes like in the last administration? Don't let perfection get in the way of progress. It is lame when people act like enforcing the law is a bad thing. How do you think bad behavior gets stopped? Enforcement. The FCC can do more if they try this again.
BTW, it appears the fine amounts were capped by the previous admin on their way out the door to prevent the current admin from fining more. The current admin now has to wait for them to reviolate to fine more.
People are blaming the current FCC when it was the previous admin that capped the potential fines in feb 2020. People should learn to look stuff up before commenting.
How can we maybe make our own wireless company not run by r*pists?
I love how he always says "I hope you're having a lovely day" before usually telling me some information that'll guarantee that I won't have a lovely day 😂
One time he said he's about to ruin your day
and then he verbally assults the companies halfway or 2/3 into his videos, I love those parts 😊
@@wilh3lmmusic Virtually everyday he releases a video, it ruins my day.
But it's important.
My favorite quote from Louis is "Hey everyone, I hope you're having a lovely day, because I'm about to ruin it." lol
I call it the "Gerald Celente: Red sky at morn" wind up ...
At this point its safe to assume all of your data, even if stated otherwise, is being shared.
****BrEaChEd**** the new norm.
Perhaps this was the intention all along?
Read the User Agreement.
Patriot Act. Government fined them for the laws they created.
always have
Monetary fines don't work at this scale. At a lower scale, like a civilian riding a bike without a helmet, dollar amount fines work fantastically. I don't want a random bloke locked up in a cell for a month or a year because he crossed the street at a red light. HOWEVER, at this corporate level, these fines make no sense. If you fine them too much, you risk inconveniencing the users of the server and the workers of the company - the CEOs and higher management will not care either way. This problem has only two solutions: jail time for CEOs and higher management, or maybe financial punishment for the CEOs and higher management personally - not the company! When you are at the level of the CEO, you need to know what your company is doing. And if you approve something that would land a regular bloke in jail, you need to go to jail, or suffer a massive financial fine PERSONALLY. These people need to reform. I don't want them punished and tortured, I just want them reformed. That is what prison should be for, not for a random weed vendor on the streets.
I wouldn’t be too concerned about helmet laws… compared to this!
The jail time would be hardly anything and then they'd get huge severance deals if the company even let them go
You can do this look up Cal Washington. Conditional acceptance and there's some specifics to it but exactly what you just said can be done
You make some good points. It's clear that the FCC needs the power to be able to implement reforms, if necessary. Of course, they would need probable cause and they shouldn't be able to implement reforms, in regard to the conduct and logistics of the business, unless they are relevant, in relation to the laws which are being broken, etc.
In this instance, where the company is clearly breaking the law, they should be given a chance to plan and implement their own reforms within the company, with specific milestones being set and audits being conducted by the FCC (at least every 6 months, if not quarterly), to ensure that the company is making sufficient progress towards these milestones.
In cases where milestones are repeatedly being missed, the should have the power to implement structural/hierarchical changes within the company.
In other words, a real fear needs to be put into the CEOs and Board Members (that workers who are lower on the totem pole, continuously experience), so that they too understand that they too are expendable, if they can't work within the confines of the law, etc.
If you can threaten the livelihoods of the Board Members, they'll fall into line.
I disagree. If you find them enough the share holders will get pissed cause they are loosing money. When this happens you'll see change.
These cooperations expect fines. It's just a cost of doing business to them. They payed less than 1% annual revenue in fines. That's meaningless to them.
So…. We should demand compensation for the service we provided to our service providers.
We lived without a cellphone for a long time. We can still live without a cellphone or gps or anything else. Get a map and learn how to read it if you don’t.
@@davidhowell1415yeah… try to do that and get a job
@@davidhowell1415bait used to be believable
@@cane870do you need to bring your phone to the store to get a job?
@@cane870you don’t need a phone in your pocket to get a job. Learn to read a map
What's that thing called again where someone sells something of mine without my consent or me even seeing a penny from it? Whatever it is, if I would do it even once on an individual basis, it'd be two years in prison... the lesson here is that I should be doing it to a large group of people all at once, so I can get away with a minuscule fine instead.
You can do it to one person at a time, but you just have to have enough money to make politicians want to please you.
@@ev25zv Morally bankrupt people refuse to financially bankrupt other morally bankrupt people. You don't have to tell me this is because they have their own special club they all belong to.
And, you would have to have Corp. Inc. or LLC after your name.
Basically, a license to steal and do pretty much whatever you want as long as you pay off a government entity when caught.
Just like the DA in NY saying that she will settle her own speeding and resisting charges
The petty thief is a criminal. The big thief is the feudal lord.
This is all absolutely true. I own a business and my advertiser told me that when targeting people I can choose to target people who spend more than a certain time in my parking lot (phone data). Nope, I don’t do that…birthday months and general demographics only.
One solution could be to levy the fines across all shareholders. This would actively discourage investment in companies who break the law. And shareholders would have a vested interest in holding them accountable instead of just not caring because they make money
Fine per share? I like it
Well just like the opiod epidemic that was not at fault because the pharmaceutical company did wrong not the people in charge making the decisions that were wrong so the company could go bankrupt while its money was protected by the private individuals holding it that made those decisions. The result was the victims not getting any money for crime committed against them because the company is seen as a separate entity or person on its own. If we could get that changed to where the people in these companies were held accountable for the decisions they made for the company we would be in business. Stop prosecuting the company as a separate guilty entity when no company runs itself, it is run by guilty people that get protected from being punished. That family that produced the opiod crisis got rich off the deaths of countless people but were not in any danger of being punished because the company that did the wrong went bankrupt. This was right before COVID-19 so we are talking recent times and it happened because of bad lawyers and bad judges. The system is so corrupt that it goes all the way to the top so is seems there is no way to stop it unless it were just wiped away somehow.
So here's the next big Tiktok challenge: Buy the location data of the cell phone company officers, figure out when they go buy their groceries, or eat at some local restaurant, etc. Show up and confront them over their location data being used to figure out where they are. Demand an apology, explanation, etc. Stream it live, upload it everywhere so it can be thoroughly Streisand effected.. Forget tide pods, this is the next level.
Or just delete them. But you didn't hear that suggestion from me.
Or better yet, show up at the homes of regulators and congressmen and ask them why they allow this to continue. When it gets personal and intimate with those who have the power to do something about it, they’ll finally act accordingly.
iirc they don’t include executives/important people’s data, just us plebes
An Aussie telco was selling people’s metadata and the Attorney General said your metadata isn’t your property, his attitude changed when they sold “his” metadata, they still sell but they know to not include certain people now
YES
@@ashleyflores4397 I'd like to ask them why they feel the need to not store the data of their executives. It's a rhetorical question, but I'd like to hear them say the word "security".
Gotta love when you pay for the product and the service and the companies say, "How can we extract value from our customers without their knowledge or consent?"
like every tv since they started being smart
That quote would be an invasion of privacy.
@@bradhaines3142this predates smart tv and even the web. Cable companies have done this since the 80s. Cable was marketed as a way to avoid the ads on broadcast TV. Guess what they did?
Thank god for the second amendment. Now when will the citizens actually utilize their rights against those who scam and tax the citizens
Because customers dont provide enough value by being customers... wait..
I get angry as hell all the time at this crap; it's cathartic to see Louis getting pissed off too. I appreciate it, sir! I hope you're having a lovely day too, despite it all.
They're still actively selling the info. I just went to Las Vegas - for a concert, mind you, and we did not gamble while there save for one half hour session my fiancee had in our hotel because she was bored while I took a nap - and now we both get endless ads for predatory casino and gambling apps and websites.
That can be done with simple IP data, no snooping required.
@@UncleKennysPlace believe me, I know. The Hotel's Wi-Fi and our 5G IP addresses give that away. Facebook and Google can do that without the input of our ISP or phone service. What's really screwy is when you open a web browser and search from your phone and then because facebook and your phone service provider snoop everything, now you get related ads on your desktop. We have ads for concert and motorsports events in Vegas, now, too - which is a correlation of our location data and our interest/focus data.
The fine should always be at MINIMUM 100%, ideally 200%+ of the amount that they received
Anything less than 100% isn’t a punishment, it’s a cut
And the money should go to the people affected,either directly or by lowering their bills
My vote goes to a minimum of 50% of their net worth.
My wishful thinking is they are forced to go under for this shit. Not realistic I know but I can dream
@@freddo7404 That would even be better.
You screw up like this. All shares are sold and all the money is shared between the victims.
Everyone happy.
You said it yourself, they took a cut, they didn't exactly fine, they took a cut of the pie. Simple as that.
Every privacy policy ever: "We take your privacy very seriously... because it makes us money."
It's funny how it's the first thing you get to hear from companies that just got hacked and the word of it got out.
We’ll TAKE your privacy.
Someone else put it, 'We take your privacy. Seriously'
OMG! That should be what the contracts really just say and I wonder if people would be just as eager to sign them as they do now knowing that it happens.
@@jamesnobles1 It doesn't really matter what it says in the privacy policy: almost nobody goes as far as actually going to that other page and reading a word of it. xD
As an american citizen where do you go to help fix this kind of thing? I understand we have power as voters/consumers, etc, but how do we exercise it? You mentioned how the American people are doing nothing but I think most just don't know what to do.
Google what happened to Stamp Act tax collectors between 1765-1766
As always the man speaks simple truth @rossmanngroup
We need less government.
we just gotta get more people who give a shеt organized imo, too many people scattered online with no real idea of what to do individually
Vote.
The FCC decision was 3-2. The people who think the Telco's behavior is A-OK are Brendan Carr (R) and Nathan Simington (R). The same folks who think you shouldn't be able to use the internet connection you pay for how you want (aka Net Neutrality). The R's have delayed this fine since 2020.
So damned disturbing!! You give me hope for the future!! Never stop my brotha! 💪 This should be FRONT PAGE!
It would be if our news media weren't owned by the oligarchy.
The solution is to make a website that allows you to view all the logged data of politicians. Emails, social media posts, text messages, real time location data and cell phone conversations at the public's fingertips at any time. Watch how fast they crackdown on this.
There's already a place where you can look at political donations to candidates. That hasn't been cracked down on yet.
Oh I'm sure they'd crack down on it - by unaliving the person who made the website
@@thesenamesaretakenand then revealing he was in fact a big fan of children
Nah,they'd just make an exception for politicians and similar elites,the proletariate will stay miserable as usual
This is kind of genius, actually. Everything they do to screw the consumer should also be done to them and made publicly available
I'm convinced corporation's watch south park to find new ways to fuck over their customers.
It may also be that South Park is based on real life facts and these things were already happening back in the day. It simply wasn't known or done on such a large scale.
real human, are you really a real human? why do you specify your a real human, are you secretly not a real human?
Probably a bot.
They should at least buy us dinner before trying to fück us over.
It is the mission statement behind every closed door meetings.
This is why I always turn location services off on my phone. As soon as an app requires my location services, they are no longer being used. I'm reminded of when the Tim Horton's mobile app tracked where you were at all times, and told on you whenever you were in a competitor's parking lot. The settlement was basically a free coffee and a donut for everyone affected.
The only people that need to know where I am are the police , only when I've done something wrong or I am missing.
The question is , whether disabling your location actually disables the tracking or just your ability to see that you're being tracked. Unless you physically disconnect your GPS, you can never know.
Turning off your location services does nothing to prevent your cellular carrier from having your location. Having the modem on at all allows them to accurately pinpoint your location by triangulation of cell towers, not quite as precisely as if location service is on, but still within a few hundred meters usually, as long as your service is on.
Right, by sending the location prompt,l itself, they are just proving they already know your location and are requesting us to accept it.
Turning location services off does nothing.
police dont need to know where tf we are
Was this not one of the points that they made about repair how it would give away your location so stalkers could come and follow you?
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This is the best thing I've read all day.
What? Do you think your corporate overlords don't deserve to have every scrap of information about you sold to them for pennies apeice? For shame
Same thing happened with the pre-instalk tiktok thing.
You know how everything they say you will do is exactly what they are doing.
When the punishment for them is only a fine, then that's "just the cost of doing business".
Thats why the fine mus always be higher than any gains from the crime. Much higher, so they wont relay on chance of getting cough.
If the fine is too high they might not do it again and therefore not pay another fine next time. So obviously the fine will never be too high.
@@dannymitchell6131 you're right on the nose. These people are slugs.
The problem with just a fine, no matter how big or small, they'll pass it on to the consumer.
@@dannymitchell6131 If they don't pay, then the CEOs and head leaders will be hunted down and jailed, all the employees fired, and all assets seized and sold to pay the fine.
I doordash and have tmobile, and can attest to this with my experience. I go to jersey mike's, 2 minutes later I'm getting enticements. I go to ihop, still in the parking lot getting enticements. Etc. Etc. Etc.
I rarely eat fast food. I use it as a last resort because I always feel crappy after I eat that crap.
If only the real food restaurants would send me enticements...
It's pretty easy to see why you have 2M subs. Your content is outstanding.
I hate that I can't even put my money where my mouth is and switch carriers.
The best way to avoid location data being shared is via a data only prepaid sim paid for in crypto that's truly anon (Not bitcoin) and using a voip system or using wifi only and the same voip setup
Naiome Rockwell has a good video on such for the avg person to learn from
Dear Sir,
You are f###ed
No action is required
-Your Service Provider
@@konnorj6442 bruh it's 2024. The crypto scam is over. You're not going to find any new marks. Time to drop it.
@@konnorj6442 and not signing into any service
and not buying anything
and not calling anyone more than once
and not connecting to WiFi you own
And not connecting to any Bluetooth devices like your car
This advice is useless, there's no where to go.
@@konnorj6442 None of that works. None of it. The SECOND you connect to the internet, your ISP knows it's you. You'd have to go through public Wifi only, forever, never have actual internet in your house, and for a satalite phone it's worse, they know and track exactly who you are and where you are calling from.
There is nothing, NOTHING you can do to get rid of that Data. Even if they don't know you are "John Smith 1" They can STILL track everything to do, every site you visit, every call you make, every text you sent. And tie it to THAT specific phone. So they can STILL sell your data, and STILL send personalized ads directly to your phone.
Anyone trying to claim VPNs or Encryption works are selling you a lie and praying on your ignorance of technology. Plus MOST of the VPNs will turn around sell your data, like Nord or Proton or Norton directly to the Government anyways, which defeats the entire POINT of the concept!
If the fines were larger, the corporations would have to pay with equity and the government could auction that equity to compensate a class action.
Or exercise shareholder power over the corporations themselves. With the current govt that'd go about as well as one would think.
But the government is in on it. It's like George Carlin said "It's a big club, and you ain't in it!"
@@user-mo5pi2qk7n You seem to believe that the government is more powerful than the corporate interest...
Fines should be by default print shares as a percentage of the total share quality. It would kill CEO pay immediately and then go to the damaged parties.
3 billion plus jail time for CEO, CFO, CTO, ethics dept. (if any), etc.
Louis is fucking hillarious! That Violin LOL. He is SO serious but amusing at the same time.
I'm aboard the Louis train and have been for years. I Love the content and admire your bravery for standing up against all this during a time when big corps and even govts have the audacity to assume people are weak and insignificant. WE ARE NOT! United We Stand as One! Loius is the Locomotive!
I always find it comical in the 10,000 word agreements that we are forced to accept, where they say, "We take your data privacy VERY SERIOUSLY." The next sentence should read, "If anybody steals your data and whores it out, IT'S GONNA BE US!"
Bullshit. Best thing to do, leave that shift at home.
I think it was Louis himself who once said it with slightly altered punctuation:
"We take your privacy. Seriously."
Im waiting for the day a judge with balls makes a company lose a privacy related case for saying those misleading words alone.
They also say "We do not sell your data". They don't say anything about giving it away freely
Gangster: agree enshitification agreements to continue
"But there are smaller carriers like Mint, Cricket, Boost Mobile, etc."
They piggyback off the same 4 carriers who actually own the cell towers.
Maybe if people chose to do without mobile *at all* then maybe we would get somewhere.
I'm surprised that "undocumented" migrants have mobiles, knowing how feds ping locations already.
And Elon is installing skynet so there’s no escape
and Mint throws a hissy fit when you go to their support pages with any issues and a few were banned from their reddit page which is where a good chunk of support comes from
Yup. (except there are only 3 carriers) All the data still goes through Verizon, T-Mobile, and AT&T. Meanwhile you get worse service, missing features, from the small carriers because the big 3 won't let them offer full fat service. I tried a few of them and eventually got fed up with it, went back to one of the big 3.
And many of those smaller carriers are owned by the big ones anyways.
I love that you actually included music to go with the "smallest violin in the world" bit.
The FBI told people to switch to burner phones for the past 10 years at least. "My" phone carrier can't sell "my" location data- only my device's.
I cant even get a burner phone in my country.
Every sim card needs to be registered to you before it can be used.
So, the only burner part would be wifi.
It's a sad situation.
when time is against the man, he shall do whatever it takes to achieve what he wishes to achieve
Are there any that piggy back off the major providers towers?
By now, they can use AI to figure out who owns the burner phone by patterning it against the data collected over the past existence of digital data. Your location data is still linked to the device and can see where that device goes. It would require going back to use of payphones and land lines or using a new phone at every location you went because if not, a pattern could be deciphered into probable suspects.
When people play the "what difference does it make if they have the information - if you have nothing to hide what does it matter if they target ads to you" type of game I always think of the interview with a head of a Chinese bank talking about their app and how they can give loans so quickly because they have 5000 data points. But what is *really* scary is he said that one of the data points they have found to be one of the best predictors of timely loan repayment is how much people let their phone battery get low - people who let the battery get lower being less reliable. Now think of all the companies partly held together - will you be more likely to get a loan (or something else) if you buy Ford over Toyota, AMD over Nvidia? If there are only going to be so many of X given out why wouldn't you give it to the people who buy products you are invested in? The way this can all come together is getting scarier all the time. And now I have to worry about some bounty hunter showing up at my door because some company gave them the wrong info about me because I share a name with someone on the run or some other coincidence?
Just ask them to share their location with you via google maps so you can see where they are everytime you open google maps on your phone. I'm sure they have no problem with it!
The reality of the dumb shit people say comes at them real fast, if you put up a mirror. :)
"nothing to hide" ok cool.... so ... Snowden can come back and not face any problems? :D
Now imagine insurance companies and CMS coazing doctors into violating patients' privacy - it's already happening...
@@superdupermax I would vote for him to be president, he values the people's rights of privacy.
@@kevinerbs2778 yeah... last one with values was taken for a ride in a convertible
Dude, my coworker mentioned this today and i had no idea what he was taking about cuz it was so unimaginable
I think concern over user privacy is starting to go mainstream now, especially after the car companies selling your data to insurers story. Normies are talking about it, its great.
@@jer1776 I'd like to consider myself more informed but when he brought it up I was confused until he explained it maybe three times. Definitely great that it's becoming more common place
I have worked for numerous Fiber & Coax providers, including those which sold POTS & VOIP. I’ve managed 7 different departments (Billing, Sales, Retail Customer Service, Repair/Support, Dispatch, Collections, NOC and so on); so if you know someone who wants to start an ISP and/or mobile telco I’d be down to join them and help manage and build the business. I’m sick of the monopoly of the mobile carriers and the monopoly of Xfinity/Comcast when it comes to rural America.
An appropriate punishment:
A fine of 75% the yearly income (not profits,) a handwritten (not photocopied paper) apology from anyone with a C at the start of their title to each customer and a removal of a license to do business in the US for one year.
Essential service? Yeah it is... But if it's that essential, it's time to regulate it like a utility.
The only problem with that is the people you’re looking to enforce regulation, work hand and hand with these companies…..they all making money off the sheep
This is a challenging problem to solve. Modern smart phones have networking chips (called a "modem") which are directly tied to the CPU's memory bus (think DMA in PCI-e land). The software running on these modems is controlled by the network operator as part of the 5G spec.
Leave your phone at home where it belongs
@@davidhowell1415least obvious troll in the CZcams comments section
@@delcogoblinI’m not trolling. You don’t need a phone in your pocket 24/7. If you think you do then that is your problem because you literally don’t
You can delete the last 4 words and it would mean the same thing
@@davidhowell1415 do you have any better bait cause this is the lowest effort troll I've ever seen 😂
Since the fines get passed on to the customers and there is no competition, there's no other solution than giving criminal sentences to the employees who decided and executed the data breech.
This would be a fitting punishment. The fines are either too small to discourage bad behavior or large enough that we'll end up paying as customers. Putting people in prison is an interesting alternative. With this comes the question of what percentage of complicity deserves a prison sentence ??
@@rossmanngroupdon't need to water down the prison sentence across many people. All of it goes to the highest person demonstrably aware of and with power to approve the decision. If that's the CEO then he goes. If it was some sales exec and CEO left those decisions to them, then the sales exec goes not the CEO.
Whoever is highest of the responsibility chain.
Oliver Schmidt was sent to jail in the VW case. I would like to see this kind of punishment more often. Bullshit fines are just an insult to the customers.
Fines are not enough. Cancel corporate charters.
A % fine on the company's shares traded, or even direct seizure of equity
I love it when Louis turns into cable guy mode
Important things on the Internet:
01) Keeping Kids SAFE
02) HONESTY by Internet Service Providers
03) Right to Repair
04) Truth on the Internet (Exterior to DJT POTUS 45)
I hate this timeline.
I wanna curl up and wither at this point. greed has ruined the ecosystem, social life, societal expectations, food security job security housing security medicine security, right to repair, right to privacy, I feel like a monkey in a zoo, their zoo.
Its like that old Chappelle skit where his white friend gets pulled over..."Sorry officer, I didn't know I couldn't do that..."
Another problem with the system is that the court is not punishing time waste and irrational argumentation from big companies that clearly lie about their missing knowledge or understanding.
If someone would start arguing about that they didn't know this and that and therefore commited crime this should be considered attempted exploitation of the law and punished even more.
You have billions of dollars, you have lawyers, if you didn't know you are acting in a criminal way you have to face full consequences if you try to tell the court the opposite.
You can't get away with: "Your Honor, you weren't even there, how can you know this is true?"
Why would you get away with: "I didn't know I need more than one brain cell to not commit a crime because nobody told me not to do it"
it could easily be argued, most, if not all, regulated fines/penalties just get treated as operating expenses at the largest and most influential enterprises... small guys usually go under in this environment, leaving their carcass to get snatched up for pennies on the dollar, by you guessed it, those same large and influential enterprises with oh so many politicians on the payroll to make sure nothing fundamentally changes for their profit margins.
How much did they get by selling the data? Because fines ought to at least be high enough that if you do the crime, get caught, and pay the fine, you haven't made a net profit off of the crime.
Mark my words- eventually the government will make it illegal for you to turn your phone off. It's already considered 'suspicious' in a court of law if you have your phone turned off or left at home. Or you'll be required to wear a gps personal tracking device at all times because you've committed the crime of being off the grid. The end of privacy is the end of freedom.
It effectively already is for most phones why do you think batteries are non removable for the last decade or so beyond the cost savings and planned obsolescence aspect
Thankfully that's being reversed with one of the few smart things the EU is doing by mandating replaceable batteries come back since the enviro impact otherwise is beyond shitty
they can try, but we all know that measures like that are a red line
a minecraft server will start soon before they could be made into law
@@konnorj6442EU has a ton of good consumer laws. Definitely not one of the "only good things"
Tom Scott correctly predicted 2030
Joke's on them because I just won't own one....
It's actually amazing how often competing companies increase prices at the same time.... example: a few years ago UPS and Fedex both added a surcharge to any packages over 50 lbs and higher (use to be on packages 70 and over), at roughly the same time. Same thing seems to happen with Airlines as well.
Thanks for holding them accountable. It may feel like it's a losing battle but it's the right thing to do. Keep up the great work!
When I saw the $200M fine, I looked up their net worth & GOD! It's so infuriating that the FCC has no teeth when push comes to shove! To them, It's just the cost of doing business.
Or cuz they're being paid off. "The table is tilted folks. The game is rigged" - George Carlin
@@grabasandwich OR OR because they can now use the data for govt. monitoring purposes. You've had too many sandwiches this week, says the bureau of sandwich management. The FCC is run by the companies they're supposed to monitor, bribing them with careers, sometimes sending them back to do more damage.
Ya, the fine was an extremely bad joke.
@@pgtmr2713 That's most regulatory agencies now. It's all a purposefully half functioning mess.
the fcc is these people
This should be a several billion dollar fine. 200 million? That's a fucking insult.
Most Americans have some plan so it's like a few dollars compensation per person at best 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The executives should face criminal charges.. I bet privacy violations would stop if that was the norm.
@@neotokyo385 But we don’t get to see the $ from the fine. I always wondered what pockets “fines” go into. We don’t see ‘em!
It would be higher if the people who run these corps and the government don't go to the same country club together.
Crimes like the above need to take a percentage of 5 past years gross profits, bonuses paid to management being added 1:1 on top and prison sentences up the chain to the guy who green-lit this 1986-Deluxe-Edition-garbage!
This first second head turn of his is super good. Reminds me of those tangent cams that Joe Scott does when he tells another perspective, throwing tangents.
I can't thank you enough for your dedication in pointing these things out. Cheers.
Here is a thought. If companies make bad decisions in the name of shareholder supremacy. take the value from the shareholders. I bet if shareholders start taking flak there would be harsh and instant changes made. Since if you ask any CEO what their number one goal is its always maximize shareholder value.
They should have their stock delisted in addition to a $200B fine each. Maybe that would get their attention.
@@BryanBlumer And that 200B should be distributed among the victims. These people need to be paid for their service.
Yes. The shareholders should get prison time. Wake the shitty system up.
@@geoffok Who exactly do you think "the shareholders" are? Maniacal villains in their secluded towers nefariously twirling their mustaches? As a regular person with a 9-5 job, who owns $100 of Verizon stock, and a retirement account including a mutual fund that might be comprised of 1% AT&T stock, should I go to jail? For what?
Your assertion is absurd.
I got a letter from AT&T this week that their data was breached and my identity was stolen but if I wanted to pay them X amount of money for their security services annually to sign up at link provided below the page. Thanks AT&T 🤦♂️
"WE fucked up but want YOU to pay for OUR mistake" that's so ducked up!
@@youdontknowme5969 It'd be a shame to let this perfectly good catastrophe go to waste...
That's called extortion
Me too. Now I’m getting porn and other solicitations. Plus my bill is 5 times higher. AND it’s harder to speak to live ppl about this. Chat only so far.
Rossman helps us see we aren’t crazy, they are. Extremely extremely important service.
I wonder what would happened if tomorrow those two "dissenting" gentlemen found a letters at their car hood, at their home door and their office reception with a copy of their movements from the whole today bought from their phone Carrier.
I mean aside from the fact that they would certainly call police, because somehow THAT would be threatening, but anybody else having access to the same info is completely fine according to them.
AT&T gave away more than that for free in the latest data breech. Which I haven’t been with AT&T in over 10 years either. So, why did they still even have it on file….
they never delete anything. the Internet is forever
If you own a cell phone at all you did. If you're using the internet, you already did.
@@bradhaines3142 That's a myth about the internet, Stuff gets deleted. Your data is stored in papers after it's reaped from the internet, it's only locally stored in a catalog on their computers.
remember when the DOJ broke up at&t for being a monopoly? yea those days are gone
Long, long, long gone. Corporations run the government now.
Side note: Citizens United fucked every person in this country.
Thanks Louis. I wouldn't have known this information if you had told me and taken the time to break it down for me. You or one of the few CZcams channels that offers no hype clear information for consumers benefits. Thank you!
Please don’t stop making these videos. Everyone should be enraged
Criminal, deserves a gigantic class-action lawsuit.
Criminal charges for the executives would be better.
@@jer1776 They collectively take it billions so sure, if restitution is involved.
And just now the European Court of Justice decided that laws forcing Internet providers to operate a general IP connection data preservation are okay where the data is allowed to be used for the persecution of as petty stuff as copyright violations. The switch from “only for terrorists and CSAM enthusiasts” came quicker than little Johnny on Prom night.
Mind sharing some more specific keywords so I can look it up ? Thanks
The case number is C-470/21, and a press release 75/24 addresses this. Unfortunately you are not allowed to post links within a CZcams comment.
@@abavariannormiepleb9470 Thanks.
Thank you for keeping us all up to date on these things. There're so many important things to do, & only so much time in the day.
You are doing wonderful work Louis, you're reaching farther than your subs may imply. Steady ahead
Sounds like the unavoidable class action should sue the FCC too.
So....
Cellular companies keep track of and sell out location data to whomever wants it, but a bank can't double check to see if a person that has never left Oklahoma in their life is still there before issuing a loan in their name to someone in Haiti?
Please, someone, anyone, explain the logic to me.
Because banks are cheap and don't want to pay what the location data for sale costs😂
@@leandrolaporta2196 Why would you think that makes sense? It'd be much cheaper to verify location than to hand out a massive loan that won't be repaid.
Looking for logic in all the wrong places.....
For the same reason that banks over here know the personal identification and account numbers of pretty much every fraudster that's ever done business or stolen an identity in Europe, but they flip the bird to the police if they're asked to help and no lawmaker will ever force them to do more than that.
Banks are major institutions and as soon as you start providing jobs and handling billions of dollars on a daily basis, governments start to pat you on the back.
The telecommunications mafia of the US is even funnier since the only reason they even exist is that you guys did that thing that our politicians are now looking at with admiration and privatized as much of the bothersome and expensive things that governments usually have to deal with, like healthcare and repairing copper wire.
Anytime people ask why telecommunications companies are douchebags in America, I just say "Because you sold the whole grid to them, they have been getting away with whatever they want for decades and they will keep doing that until the world ends, or the country does, whichever comes first."
@@macethorns1168 That loan doesn't need to be repaid. You don't think you actually get money when you take a loan do you?
They just increase the numbers in your account. Nowhere is it lowered. Money is fake.
The only real cost is the interest you have to pay.
Great video! Please don't ever stop making this kind of content, not enough people even talk about these important issues! Thank you and god bless your soul.
Remember when that bounty hunter shot up a car dealership? I'm wondering if a service provider sold their data.
i noticed ever since android 6.0 the GPS literally never turns off, and if you go into settings, it actually tells you it 'disables 3rd party access ' so google will always have all of your info, which means the feds and anyone else who pays enough also has all of your data. the question isnt if it's being sold only who buys it
Regardless of the settings on your phone, if your cellular connection is enabled, the carrier can determine your location based on what towers your phone pings.
By all means it does turn off the GPS but IP/Approximate location is still available to Google
Also, it'd be relatively easy for Google to triangulate your location based on surrounding WiFi networks without the need of GPS information, precise GPS info is hardly a requirement to track where you are or have been
@@CutoutClips tbh I don't think even airplane mode prevents carrier tracking considering it doesn't really turn off the mobile radio, could be wrong on that
@@CutoutClips that's not nearly as accurate as GPS though, and actually requires a warrant.
@@dan3817 Theoretically airplane mode does shut off the cellular radio completely, but I've not actually tested that to verify.
And of course, phone and location service is one of the most important facets of today's world, so it's extremely unlikely you're left unaffected
I was just about to suggest people start moving to Mint Mobile, only to do a quick search and find that T-Mobile's apparently picking them up too, so that's very likely a no-go now
2024, everyone, the year of companies being way too aggressive because they know they'll be _just fine!_
Looks like crime DOES pay. You just have to be an institutionalized corporate entity that's above the law. Love how the safeguards for my rights are treated as the literal cost of business, a slap on the wrist fine that can be paid and ignored. Awesome work, gov.
Hello Louis! Truth be told I keep my phone off most of the time.
I am so glad someone is out here exposing this madness.
I mean, on the one hand it's nice to be informed. On the other, there is literally nothing we can do to change it, so "being informed" doesn't give me anything besides anxiety...
@@mallninja9805 Unfortunately that is what is required to get people to become concerned enough to start doing anything about it. Correcting problems have always taken time for humans to do.
Exposing it to like 10 people? Everyone here already knows this shit.
I think Tom Scott accurately predicted 2030
Yeah, but it will take Ridley Scott to make the movie about where it all goes...
One of the main purchasers of the location data are LOCATE POLICE DEPARTMENTS. The local PD does this so they can establish our routine and any deviation from that triggers a flag thus "probable cause" for them to investigate you.
No, it isn’t, it’s advertisement companies. Advertisement companies make significantly more money with your data than the police would, and the police have stricter regulations. This would be a warrantless search, which is constitutionally illegal.
Police don’t BUY data, the subpoena it for free. I’ve worked within my local police department, and regularly talked to detectives. They ain’t paying a penny.
When I mention to the bank that I don't have a phone capable of taking a picture they foam at the mouth. It is already intertwined to our society.
It's mighty annoying: when there's some private money collection going on for an event or gift or whatever - it has to be through some stupid "app" that you have to install on your phone. The app requires you to disclose your personal details to some company, they likely pull all your contacts off your phone the moment the app is launched, and the transactions you do with it are saved indefinitely and sold. And all that for me to just hand you a $5~$10...
I have a phone from 2013, no facial recognition, no fingerprint scanner, can't install the bank's app because the android version is "too old" - they were soo pissed they couldn't weasel out of actually talking to me about a problem I was having.
I imagine the 18 year old employee at the bank staring at you for a very long time trying to figure out wtf you just said. "Did you break it? Just have your mom get a new phone on her plan."
@@geoffok Banks keep closing branches, they no longer exist within ~my state.~
They might as well call these fines "EULA fees" because it's just part of doing business to these companies. Just pay the fees and carry on doing the same thing; why worry about these silly "fees" when the money made from breaking the law is so much more.
_IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY!!!!!!_
repeat offenses should have growing punishment
As long as this man remains on YT, it’s a lovely day.
That southpark reference is funny as fk. Great job my guy. Exposing these clowns.
In Germany ISPs/Mobile Data Providers have gotten in trouble as well, few months ago, with huge fines. Because many of them, have given customer data to the Schufa in an illegal way. A negative entry about yourself in the Schufa, can give you risks such as not getting lots of new potential homes at all, or being unable to sign certain contracts
Yep. I'm a victim of Verizon and will never go back to them. They've screwed my life so badly, and I won't go into detail, but it's ruined a lot. I'm tired of these predatory companies, man...
I LOVE THAT EPISODE! Dude goes shopping and fishing and everything else, then shows up "only 15 minutes late"😂
0.02% as a cost of doing business is my wildest dream. 2% would be insane itself.
My fave are the cameras that take pictures of your car, plate and driver that are set up to "assist law enforcement solve crimes". Bigger brother is always watching.
1984, face recognition data
you can force those cameras to clear their database tables. a guy in france did it with code on his bumper when it was scanned
@@fluffypinkpandas Sounds like an urban legend, and I'm certainly not gonna sift through a billion AI-generated SEO spam results to check your story for you.
The saddest part….if ANY of these carriers decided not to sell data, and told the public that…half the country would flock to that carrier.
Nah, only a tiny fraction of people care about things like "privacy." Everyone else in my own household is like "Why wouldn't I want them to track me?? I like personalized ads!!" 🙃
It's like watching a ship sink and everyone on it knows they could get off and save themselfs but they would rather just have a nice dip the the ocean and good views on the way down 😭😭@@mallninja9805
So damned disturbing!! You give me hope for the future!! Never stop my brotha! 💪
Fines for companies doing illegal activities should be a major percentage of their net profits, make it such an amount that can’t be just written off as a cost of doing business. If they make $1 Million from doing the illegal activity, make the fine $5 Million..If they make $1 Billion make the fine $5 Billion…and if they don’t stop double the fine, and if they continue beyond that keep doubling it until the company folds, and DO NOT BAIL THEM OUT.
I recently put a VPN on all of my devices so I can acccess the Netflix library in other countries, use my fishing net if a movie is not available on one of my 3 streaming services, the movie is outrageously priced or I can't get it without commercials and so my location is not as obvious. These companies need to understand that the more they try to violate my privacy and rip me off the more creatively I''m going to use my adblocker and fishing net. This is war.
You're not alone but this is about location data and you cannot avoid that when using a std sim or esim system unless that sim isnt tied to a real person ie a prepaid sim wo your name etc and paid for via anon crypto
Ot via wifi access only and VPN with voip for calls so they cant even tell whata being done other than data usage
Again naomi has a VG vid for the avg joe to start learning this shit she did a few years ago
VPN only does something for internet traffic. For anything requiring cell towers they can track you.
VPN doesn’t hide your location from your cellular provider.
Also, you are now routing all your data via the VPN provider, and you can only hope that they play by the rules.
This is carrier level spying, a VPN would only work if you didn't need the carrier to connect to the VPN. All the VPN companies in the world right now are owned by 3 companies, they have been consolidating.
this explains why im getting more scam calls.
Nice job Scott
I’m totally impressed with your show notes. Excellent references to the data. I subscribed just because THIS is real journalism.
I couldn't understand why my HP printer no longer would work when it worked before until I watched your clips! I used replacement cartridges for years and all-of-a-sudden my printer would not work! Sheese an GRRRRRRR!!!
how is your blood pressure Louis? i can see the stress in your body language and face the more we learn about how companies and government is doing shady things the harder it is to cope with. Try to take care and not let these things get under your skin but keep learning and spreading the truth thank you
If you're in the know your going to be somewhat stressed. I wish more people would care enough to be like this guy and stop being dumb sheep.
This makes total sense for me now. Got a new phone+sim and a new number 6 months ago. Took about a week before scammers were calling me. How the f did they get my number? And now I get at least 6 a day.
These days, I just set my auto response to a sex tape
The Violine was Gold! Thank you😂
There aren't any companies that respect customer data. It's all about making money via any means necessary and exploiting customer's personal data is convenient since we volunteer this information. We volunteer our information to establish the accounts. We volunteer our location information by GPS and/or tower logs, although we're not really aware of it. Taking it beyond cell phone carriers, I bought a car, signed a paper that said "don't sell my information" and they did. Got a mortgage, sold a document saying "don't sell my information" and they did. We're just little bits of data to be bought/sold/traded/bartered/given away. It doesn't matter what we say or do, our data is going to be nothing more than a commodity to be brokered. You are right that the fines are going to be passed onto us, so we're directly paying to have our information sold by being a customer, then again by the fee increase when the company was fined for doing that which they shouldn't do. There's no motivation for them to change. Until some white collar millionaire is jailed as a part of the company being held accountable, don't expect change.
I can read and understand legalese. Unfortunately I can't legally read it and tell people what it says for payment or give "legal advice".
"i wouldnt sign that" would be legal
Canadian here. We're probably in the same boat, but I'm just going to say that these companies are just going to push everything to the breaking point, in every aspect! It's not going to get any better.
Canadian here also. No, we're probably, it's definitely we are in the same boat. Whatever the State does, we follow
Worse the big three here inncsnuckistan are all owned by friends of trudeau and his fam friends so yet again they would get a free pass even if it was blatant illegal
True. It doesn’t make sense to me that they can’t just provide a service without pissing off the consumer. I enjoy having a smartphone, but I do often think of canceling.
As someone who used to work for one of these companies, i can assure you that our training materials on CPNI absolutely included location data as protected and not to be even discussed with customers with the exception of billing disputes.
And this was base level customer service.
Theres no way the person high enough to broker the deals to do this would have thought the rules were unclear.
The south park reference 😂. Louis i hope you keep this up. You bring light to alot of things that have been behind closed doors for over a decade. Stay safe. Theirs huge opposition in these shared ideas.
Great job Louis, I’ve really enjoyed watching you since you moved to Texas. Not that I didn’t like watching before, I’m just happy to see you grow and make great impact on the community with the information you share. Keep up the great work buddy! 👍👍👍👍✌️💯💯💯
What i've learn over the years is if you want to behave like a criminal, you don't do it once or twice. You just maxximise your criminal income that way the punishment ratio will be smaller as you do it more and more.
Let's just take in example the guy that just sent invoice to google to get over 120MILLIONS from them before getting caught. What was his punishment? More or less 20% of what he earned was taken away from him even though 99% of what he earned came from scamming google and 2 years in prison.
But what if i were to try to rob a bank and get caught instantly? I would have to pay possibly over 50% of my bank account plus prison time.
TLDR, the justice system punish with no equal ratio from case to case, it's unfair.
Pss, no what i said is not incentivise to becoming a douche.