The Last of Us HBO: S1E6 - Ellie x Joel Confrontation scene, "You have no idea what loss is"
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Bella's reaction right after he says, "you're not my daughter", is absolutely incredible. You can really see the pain she felt from that sinking in.
Yeah, that was heartbreaking for her to hear Joel say that after all they went through up to that point. In her mind, he was already the father she never had..
I felt that Joel can be cruel when he wants. But by this point he did love her as a daughter. He was just hurt, it was the anger talking.
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As soon as Sarah is mentioned Pedros face ever so subtly changed from concern to absolute anger with his eyes. That was awesome.
No it didn't! Pedro looked like he just wanted to literally laugh out loud. You gullible Tide-Pods know nothing of quality and praise subpar/half-assed shows for woke agendas. Every episode I watch of TLOU all I see is an immaculate videogame being shitted on just for mainstream bot views and revenue.
not anger but pain
Wish he said 'Ellie you're treading on some mighty thin ice here'. That line and delivery always stuck with me from the game. It was so perfect. But all in all, this was fantastic
I also wish they had included "what are you afraid of, that I'll end up like Sam? I CAN'T GET INFECTED."
I think that Ashley's and Troy's delivery of those lines were so perfectly Perfect, that they didn't want to risk messing it up.
So they made slight changes, but kept the lines mostly the same, and Bella and Pedro did the rest.
Damn...you can tell from this scene why Ashley and Troy had so much praise for these 2.
Bella and Pedro did their homework, and made sure to Not ruin their roles...and the bar was already set Extremely High.
Kudos.
They kinda match the dialogue to what the actor sounds best with, Troy has that real emotional deepness when he says “you are treading on some MIGHTY thin ice here” but Pedro sounds really deep and hurt the way he says “don’t say another word. With that stare. It’s just as impactful in my opinion.
Pedro's version of Joel, to me, is much more of a "speak softly and carry a big stick." Joel's not a talker, he says what he needs to say. A lot of the bigger, more quotable lines have been cut for him because it doesn't really fit his character. So rather than "He ain't even hurt," it's just "No." Instead of "You're treading on mighty thin ice here," it's just "Don't." I like it personally, it makes him very cold and no nonsense, like an old gunslinger.
he literally says it in one of the trailers.. idk what happened to it.
"I'm not her you know".
That expression change from Pascal is perfect.
Pedro brought his absolute A game the entire episode but Bella in this scene round of applause. I felt her pain on her face when she hears were going our separate ways. Played it understated and beautifully.
stop it the show is mid, stop dickriding.
She looks like a piece of wood
And when joel cries when he remembers his daughter. Even after 20 yrs, her death keeps haunting him.
@@88nguyenquangbach91 And him having a panic attack while seeing a woman that resembled Sarah made him think, if she hadn't died then she would've been 34 by now this year (2023). He would've been a grandfather and they all would've protected each other during the apocalypse. That's when he knew how much Ellie meant to him and how overwhelmed he feels when she's put in danger. One wrong move and she'll be slipping through his fingers
@@88nguyenquangbach91 He probably hasn't said her name out loud in 20 years
I love the immediate shutdown at the mere mention of Sarah, it’s a subtle but effective choice on pascals part that says a lot about how he’s dealt with her passing over the years, like he just refuses to talk about it out loud
100% plus it also fits the tv show Joels personality he talks less and softer than game Joel but still comes across just as intimidating
I know everybody loves the game's delivery of "you have no idea what loss is" but Pedro's version of it is amazing. The anger on his face and the snarl in his voice are so perfect, like he can't believe someone dares to compare their loss to his.
I agree! It's perfect with how he was prior to that scene. He was just being vulnerable with his brother, so it makes sense to why he doesn't sound more harsh towards Ellie.
Plus in the game, he was more hardened and wasn't ready to bring his walls down yet. Ellie was pushing his limits in the game especially after running away, whereas in the show she wasn't.
When Pedro says he’s ready to snap!
It’s also a legit reaction. Ellie may have lost Riley but losing a child is unimaginably painful and there’s nothing worse than that.
I know people are gonna miss the "thin ice" line here but the way Pedro says "Don't." here is a perfect encapsulation of the show's Joel over the game.. he's much more vulnerable, emotional - the way he delivers it isn't him being harsh or demanding - it's him begging, pleading with Ellie not to open up a scar he's so desperately trying to keep closed. Very similar to how he brushes off the "have you killed a lot of innocent people" comment just a couple episodes ago.. This show is a masterpiece in re-telling a story we thought we knew and giving it so much more depth that it makes us feel so much more.. Druckmann and Mazin are doing a helluva job so far, I'm almost sad it's gonna end in a few weeks but at the same time relieved because I can't take much more of this balling my eyes out every Sunday night routine they have me going through right now xD
Very on point comment, the moment Ellie mentions his daughter you see that subtle change in his expression, and you can see it in his eyes how he’s going back to that moment in episode 1 where he loses Sarah. This adaptation has so much for emotional weight than the game did, at least in my opinion.
@@noahgonzalez1562 the game story is, by far, better to me.
The show has ZERO nuance/ subtlety. It keeps bombarding me with one sad thing after the other, it basically just says "look at how sad everything everywhere is".
In the game, we don't see much of Joel as a person. This makes his conversation with Tommy in the game so much better, the way he commands "Tommy I NEED THIS" when he asks him to take Ellie. Only then do we get the hint of what is going through in Joel's mind. The whole dialogue in the show "i can't protect her, i am weak, i am a failure etc etc"- is just summed up in that one "i need this" dialogue in the game in a perfect, subtle manner. There is this concept called "SHOW, DONT TELL." Have some recognition for the audience's intellect. I don't appreciate being spoonfed like this. If a story is actually immersive i will figure stuff out myself. Also in the game we are not shown Maria and Ellie's conversation so Ellie's "I'm not her you know" is far more shocking.
I am pissed off at how some of the iconic fight scenes in the game are cut out. That AMAZING sequence where Joel is impaled and Ellie fights off the other hunters is replaced with a fucking awful scene in the show.
when we see Joel after his injury, in winter, laying down, cold, shaking, weak, it's just heart breaking. Berlin(Berleezy) said looking at that moment "I take back every mean thing I said about this man." The show will not be able to produce such an effect, given its pathetic writing upto this point.
I don't know why people are praising this show so much. It is not as good in my opinion. I have lost interest in the show and probably won't watch the next episodes.
The show sucks.
@@sds187 I’m honestly amazed at how everything you just said wouldn’t work or make any sense. First off, it’s not a game it’s an adaptation, it’s not a carbon copy of the game, if it was then there wouldn’t be a point to it. You want an exact replica just play the game or watch the gameplay again.
Second, in the game Joel is more frustrating and angry, but in the show he’s more vulnerable as he’s older, weaker, and doesn’t want to lose another daughter, that’s more compelling than just commanding your brother to take the kid, instead of being so commanding, he pleaded with his brother to take the kid so he won’t get her killed as he doesn’t trust himself to keep her safe. That’s more compelling and unlike the game is much more realistic.
Third, the show is also a drama, you have to take into account that the show won’t be centered around the fight and action sequences. If you want that go watch a marvel or DC movie. The writing itself is trying to convey a heartfelt story of a father and a daughter making their way through an apocalypse, Also, in a realistic world Joel ain’t surviving a 20 feet impalement like that, so be realistic next time.
And finally, people are praising this show because it’s genuinely really good, it’s faithful, it’s respective to the games and it works. So think on that the next time you decide to say stupid shit like this.
@@noahgonzalez1562
And i am honestly amazed you completely misunderstood my comment and missed the point.
I DON'T want an exact replica of the game. However i dont feel they put much effort into writing the new story.
Joel in the game asked Tommy to take Ellie for that exact same reason you mention- because he couldn't trust himself to keep her safe. Why else do you think Joel asked that, in the game? Because he was tired or something??? Why would he then say "I NEED this!"? That is the subtlety i am talking about. I didn't need to have them spoonfeed me about why Joel wouldn't take her, like they did in the show. If one is sensitive, he can figure it out on his own. In the game, because we were not bombarded with how Joel felt inside, it made the interactions between him and Ellie far more immersive, and made us anticipative and curious.
You mention that the show is a drama. I recognise that. However just like a shitload of jumpscares doesn't make a horror movie good, similarly showing emotionally demanding scenes one after the other doesn't make a drama any good either. It's like a comedian tickling you to make you laugh. I don't feel immersed in the show.
I don't need the show to be CENTRED around fighting, but i definitely need a BALANCE. I never said in my original comment that i need a pole to go through Joel's back and emerge out of his stomach. I don't need him to kill 76 men like he did in the game. Thus your comment "be realistic next time" doesn't make any sense. In fact i appreciated how they showed it in a more realistic manner in the show. But Joel could have atleast fought 3-4 guys before his injury. Joel has guns, they had machetes, the fight scene wouldn't have been unrealistic. Also they cut out the intense scenes after his injury, where Ellie fights the hunters off (it is one of my favourite Ellie moments).
"The writing is trying to convey a story of a father and daughter making their way through an apocalypse." Yeah i know that. I didn't watch the entire 10 hour gameplay 4 times over, watch clips seperately and watch reaction videos, just to see Joel smashing a bottle on someone's head. I watched it because I love the story and find it beautiful.
The great thing about the game was how it stood the test of time and is still relevant. People won't praise this show long enough, i will see how relevant the show is 10 years later. The show is only good because the game story is good. However much you fuck that up, you will still end up with a passable adaptation.
@@sds187 Why not try to finish first the show instead? If you could watch the game "4 times over", then indeed you cannot be just stuck in a gamer mindset and toss over the beauty that is offered by the show. You cannot find all the same raw emotions in the game and the show. You cannot deny as well that they have the same raw emotions, narrating the same story in different ways. You said it yourself, the show is good because the story is good. What's the point of comparing? The game and the show are beautiful in their own difference themselves?
Oh man. This following up Joel’s emotional collapse and begging to Tommy made it hurt so much. He just couldn’t bring himself to risk losing Ellie and having to deal with it. What a job from Pascal
if he loses Ellie like he did Sarah, it would destroy him
Yes! The way he became stoic again when Ellie mentioned Sarah, because he didn't want to deal with having his heart broken again.
@@MayLilyin the game, Joel snaps at Ellie when she brings that up because she's challenging his defense mechanism developed due to losing Sarah. He has been in survival mode for the past 20 years. He doesn't get too close to people, and most certainly doesn't get attached to them. It's the entire point of Bill's character in the game, he is a representation of what Joel will become if he continues to live his life in survival mode. Whereas in the show the sentient is the exact opposite with Bill's character, who represents what Joel could become if he chooses to drop the survivalist mentality, which he doesn't even subscribe to all the much in the first place considering he's willing to risk his life in order to reunite with Tommy. Sam and Henry represent his biggest fear, and ultimately convince him to hand Ellie off. In the show Sam and Henry represent the same theme, however i'd argue it is far less effective considering the mess of a plot device they're tangled up in named Kathleen. In the game, Pittsburgh and the group of Hunters whom reside there, represent the world of The Last of Us, and what it drives people to. They are nameless and faceless threats that do an incredibly effective job at demonstrating how horrific and dangerous the world is outside of quarantine zones. They are men whom will kill you without second thought just to check if the shoes you're wearing are worth keeping, they represent how any random meaningless conflict could be the reason you die. In the show they give names and faces to an entire resistance group with a clear purpose, find and kill the man responsible for the death of their previous leader. Not only is it exceedingly clear what their objective is, but we get multiple overwritten monologues from Kathleen attempting to justify her cause. She speaks about it in nearly if not every scene she is present, even if it means not monologuing, simply shutting the fuck up, would result in her achieving her goal. It seems that in an attempt to do something different with the story, to dare i say; breathe new life into one of the most highly regarded narratives we have ever experienced, that they lost sight of what that narrative was saying, and what it is was all about in the first place. The narrative in the show is complete shit show, and the technical aspects of the show such as cinematography, costume/set design, the performances, and most importantly the editing, do nothing but hinder the experience even more due to being down right horrible to lackluster at best.
That scene was so perfect that they barely changed the dialogue. Love this show to death!
Only line I miss was "You are treading on some mighty thin ice." Im not sure that dialog works as well with Pascals portrayal though.
@@Ajnin42 they mentioned in the podcast that they thought about the line but it worked better in the game because of Joel's dialect. If they used it in the show it would come off a little more jarring than it should because pedro doesn't have the same inflections.
@@jensennguyen02 Oh cool, ill have to check that out.
@@Ajnin42 Yeah even I found that line a little silly when Troy said it in the game.
@@benwasserman8223 They way Troy delivered it made it one of the best lines in the game. Far from silly.
Something that Bella nailed was the “everybody fucking except for you!” Ellie wants to break down and cry but she’s holding it back, everyone has a time in their life where they’ve been crying but desperately tried keeping their composure and that’s what your voice sounds like, she fucking nailed it
Bella is truly a child of the apocalypse. She's had to be strong all her life growing up with no family.
That’s what I really appreciate more than Ashley’s in that moment. The quietness Bella puts before breaking and gets loud in the latter part. That’s honestly devastating
this isnt ellie and joel from the game, the scene has the same dialogue but you can see the different nuances the actors bring to life here. bella nailed it and showed us her ellie unique, vulnerable and captivating
i cant belive how emotonally attached ive become, had to pause this part in the episode and cry for abit. gahd damn
for me that was Bill and Frank!!! i literally had to get up and get tissues because i couldn’t handle how emotional and romantic and tragic it all was.
Same, my mother had to calm me down after I cried
@@MrJoelMiller Joel doesn't cry 🗿🍷
Was sorta hoping they'd show the scene where Ellie runs away and Joel and Tommy go after her. But this scene stayed true to the game and I'm so happy :")
I think they should have kept that and Joel's charming change of heart. It's really the only time in the game he seems happy and the only time Ellie's has a silent reaction to anything. Bella crushed it in this scene though.
@@mbovb006yeah, when he was loading the horse and Tommy said “you already got a horse then Joel would’ve said “yeah but I forgot something, then say “Ellie, get on the horse. I wouldn’t have said the “you got a choice because we already knew she was going to choose him. It was still really really good though. I would’ve had her listening in through the wall and take off right afterwards at night would’ve been a cool change. Have Tommy and Joel handle some runners on their way to get her. Would’ve been a good touch when they said there’s definitely infected out there rather than have raiders attack.
@@mbovb006 I think it was really contrived how Ellie manages to not come across those bandits Joel and Tommy have to kill while running away and finds a nice cozy home that looks like it hasn't even been touched by anyone for 20 years. It also never made sense why Ellie ran away, where was she even planning on going?
@@mbovb006 true, I'm guessing they didn't do that for time management
@@cynicalmemester1694 clearly you don’t know girls lol. And why do teens ever run away. To get away from a situation they don’t wanna be in. It doesn’t have to make sense and they don’t always have somewhere to go. She didn’t wanna go with Tommy and didn’t wanna be without Joel. She already felt alone again.
The moment after the argument when Joel flashes back to his memories with Sarah is something straight out of an independent film: the image of Christmas out of a fleeting dream; hands gently decorating a tree; a glance of hair as the dove ornament spins in grace all intercut with the face of a man falling under the weight of his grief. Jesus, Craig Mazin is on FIRE with the writing!
It has the same vibe when we relive memories.
God she's such a good actor. I'm so glad she was cast in GOT, they did the world a favor
There are a new flurry of female actors on the rise.
McKenna Grace, Bella Ramsey, Dafne Keen, Esme creed miles.
Lmfao she really isn't, and in GoT she couldn't have been more cringe.
@@CommanderLongJohn how was she cringe?
She’s got the emotional range of a lobster in this show. Don’t kid yourself 😂
@@RNDM-nd7tj Her delivery is miserable and one note, the insanely excessive use of swear words has me smashing my face off the wall, she actually looks like an autistic Owl-her face is genuinely one of the 'weirdest' I've ever seen it's bizarre, she doesn't look/feel/sound even in the slightest bit like Ellie.
If you were specifically asking how she was cringe in GoT though; the writers gave her this 'girl power-boss girl' schtick that couldn't have been any more cringe coming from an arrogant 12yo girl, and the cherry on top of it all was the fact they had her kill an undead giant in the most ridiculous-illogical-way possible after it also literally shattered every bone in her body 5 minutes prior to that . . . .
It especially annoyed me because, as a fan of the books, the girl she depicted in GoT is actually funny and a little badass-though idt she even has a scene, but she simply sucked as did the writing.
They killed this scene! I was waiting for this moment in the series and see how it stood up to the game and they did not disappoint! Very well done.
Heck yeah. I didn’t expect it. I was waiting for her to run off on the horse after hearing them talk, but when he opened the door and I seen the room I was like “oh fuck, this is it…
"they killed it" is like a complinent, righy?
@@RoGameReview yes, it's a compliment. It's a contronym (at least I think that what it's called...), just like calling someone "bad" can have the meaning "they look good/be impressive" OR saying something like you're being "transparent" actually mean you're being "obvious/truthful" rather than the literal meaning which is "invisible/hidden". English is weird.
this video game scene where Joel and Ellie argue is just perfect, everything is beautiful, Pedro Pascal and Bella Ramsey are perfect ❤
This was one if not, the most emotional part of the game…Pedro and Bella bring that emotion to the silver screen flawlessly!
1:42 I love that you can hear in her voice that she's about to cry. It's something that wasn't in the game Ellie's perfomance and it's great addition. I still think this scene on the whole is better done in the game just because personalities are bit different there but this little detail and many more that I don't notice at first (because coming from the game that's not what I'm focusing on) has made me appreciate the show and Bella and Pedro's perfomances a whole lot more.
The part of Pedro remembering his daughter with the Christmas tree was something incredible and sad. Bella is also for the applause
As iconic and emotional as this scene is, showing Joel imagining Christmas with Sara afterward is what brings tears to my eyes.
I see nobody talking about how they included the Last of Us main menu theme song on the background which I personally think made this scene even more amazing 👏
The adaptation is just next level emotional and heartbreaking…
What I love the most about this scene, is how Pedro and Bella give it their own take that it matches the nuance of the scenes prior and it stills gives it the same emotional impact from the game.
This episode as a whole was definitely Pedro's Emmy worthy work!
Thank you for uploading these clips. Especially so quick.
His eyes and facial cues when she mentions his daughters name, like that second where he registered "I'm not her you know" was masterful acting
Man, the only "bad" thing about the chapter was that they rushed a lot in college in the game was much more dramatic, I want to emphasize where when Joel is injured and a guy with a shotgun while he is about to kill Joel tells you that you killed his friends, curses you as he approaches is so creepy, Outside of that chapter 100/10
It feels shorter cause we don’t go through all the gameplay like dealing with the infected up to the university. They can’t have anything be repetive
The college level was mostly setting exploration.
I don’t think is rushed, is just that lot of the stuff on the game is basically gameplay or exploration that can’t be adapted to a tv series, it would become too repetitive and leave not much time for character progressions. After all tlou is the game that it is cause of the story, and that’s what the series is trying to show, drama is gonna have a priority over the action
They rush a lot of things in the show. It’s kinda annoying. Still good, but better in the game
@@Xxsorafan no, there’s plenty of specific moments cut that add weight to the story
When this came out back in 2013 on the PS3 this exact scene was very emotional (due to the fact what they both went through) and now this version still hits like a freight train, I applaud to you HBO for pulling this off
This show is just so perfectly done. It honours the source material, built on it, and the acting is incredible. It will be a standard for all and any adaptations not just for video games but for any other mediums like books to come.
Now, can the HBO buy the rights to the Witcher franchise and give Henry his white wig back?
Fuck the witcher
Yes
1:12 Joel's expression change gave me chills
What a phenomenal episode man. Bella's acting is getting rly good.
I think this scene alone perfectly defines how the show refurbishes the game to adhere to a new format of storytelling.
Joel isn’t angry so much as he’s scared. He doesn’t give the iconic thin ice line, but rather a simple “Don’t. Don’t say another word”. Much more simple, yet it communicates a different message. Less a “back off”, more a “please don’t”. Which is fitting, since the last thing he said to the soldier that shot him and Sarah was, “Please don’t”.
In the game, you get the sense of the same kind of Joel, but sheltered by a different kind of armor. In the game he’s much more plated by this gruff and aggressive persona. In the show, it’s a sad and reluctant shell.
Both adaptations tell the same story, but have different ways of communicating the story, which serve both mediums respectively.
Even though these scenes are mostly the same, their is a notable difference in how they are presented. In the game, this scene follows after a tense moment of chasing a runaway Ellie who sheltered in a house. An obviously frustrated Joel tries to get her out of the house and the argument briefly gets heated right up until Ellie brings up Sarah. Joel saying "You're treading on some mighty thin ice here" is just seething with a complex combination of anger and fear.
In this version, Joel arrives at Ellie's place to break the news of her going with Tommy, and is trying his best to be gentle, only to be confronted by a understandably bitter Ellie who feels betrayed. So when Sarah is brought up, Joel's reaction is driven largely out of fear.
This to me is a good example of a change, taking an iconic scene and recontextualizing it to have a different feeling or meaning.
0:32 so cute how she say that
While I missed the treading on thin ice line I understand why it was omitted. This is a different Joel. This is a Joel wracked with guilt and fear over making the same mistakes and losing another daughter, framing it with the memories of Sarah just to make it hurt even more
I was really liking Bella as Ellie but I wasn't completely convinced with her portrayal. I am now completely convinced that she is the perfect Ellie.
Ashley and Troy brought thr frustration and pain of their relationship to the scene but pedro and Bella brought the bond between Joel and Ellie and the pain of the deaths before and they absolutely did justice to the scene. They made it their and 10/10
Frustration and Pain, what do you mean by that? Were they at odds with each other off set?
@@kingcamelot1395 Ashley and Troy couldn't do the scene right and was a moment were they needed to take a break to do the scene how we got in the game. The push ellie did was Ashley frustrated with how to make it good but it ended also helping to show how ellie was feeling in that moment. But also reflected in my opinion the frustration of ellie seeing no matter what, people seems to leave her. That's why I said pain and frustration bc It blended so good those feelings.
It wasn't related to bad blood on set.
@@estela007 Ah, I see.
They butchered this scene! Did your parents drop you on your head a couple of times? You clearly lack an aptitude of discernment since you didn't realize how rushed and horrendously contrived this show has become.
@@BigRodd91 not as hard as you hit yours. It seems you have hit your head more with your bullshit
I was already hoping they’d nail this scene weeks ago and I smiled from ear to ear after seeing it. Brilliant all the way around. Best ep so far.
I've watched this scene from the game so many times I could almost recite the dialogue alongside them. I thought that would mean I'm not gonna cry. I cried
Holy shit they played that scene so perfectly I almost shead a tear on my face
This scene, this particular one, gave me such a deep feeling when I watched it for the first time on TV. I can feel both of their emotion. Kudos for Pedro and Bella's performance in this series!
I think about this scene all the time...i love it ♡
When he said "you have no idea what loss is", that's when he sounded the most like game Joel
1:22 I like that head movement. That's very much what Joel would do.
I’ve been waiting for this
- do you give a shit about me or not?
- of course, I do 😭
I love that exchange so much.
The moment joel saw tommy for the first time in the show after years and he screamed his name.. damn that was so well done by pascal..
This episode just ruled, Pedro and Bella made it fly and shine. Also it's a great hommage to game lovers.
This is great scene, I didn't play games but I watch the comparison and both of it awesome, and I feel like to give big hugs to Ellie the morning after this scene, when she already wake up and wait for Tommy, ready to leave.. poor girl 🥲
the acting, the scene, the meaning, the pain, the loss. just amazing
They did an great job! So great that it became my favorite scene!
They did a good job with it....and I wasn't sure whether they would. I'm glad they kept the lines pretty close to verbatim, and actually I think Bella Ramsey did a very good job at showing the tearful frustration of Ellie lashing out at Joel because she cares for him and doesn't want to be left again. The game animated tears in Ellie's eyes but I think it hits a little differently in live action.
Man, I was just listening to Journey's Separate Ways in another CZcams video... That's either the algorithm, or the universe just lining up.
I mean that song make me cry so much it's heartbreaking really specially for people who play the game 💔😢
in tears rn.
The acting in this scene was truly incredible guys! 😊😲
they adapted this amazingly
The change in his face when Ellie mentions Sarah... Wow...
Even after playing the first one so many times, I still gasped when Ellie mentioned Sarah
This scene was so well done, I was looking forward to how they were gonna do it in the series because the game version hits so hard. And it didn’t disappoint.
Bella is so good. My heart broke to pieces for her in this scene. They're both phenomenal.
Man they fuckin nailed it!!!
The acting on this show is incredible. I sometimes forget that.
Holy shit... That OST hit hard damn
This was the scene that imo made the game. They had to ace this and they did
That scene happening scared me. Because it really is like the game, THERE ARE A LOT of things like the game and knowing that there will be a second season...
Honestly, Bella Ramsey's acting in this scene gives me fcking goosebumps
What people talk about is the difference between the game and the tv show. Voice actors can definitely a ton more range into their vocal performance while after Ellie says “I’m not her.” You can tell exactly how Joel feels without him saying a word. Both are impressive in their own ways.
Bro Pedro and Bella killed it on this scene from the game, hats off 👏🏼👏🏼
damn im excited to seee what they do with david in the next one... joel better say that baby girl line or im gonna flip
not until next next week. nxt episode would be left behind would center around ellie and riley i think
Well I got games catch up
He didnt say it in the beginning of the show, he may not say it now.
@@edwin99901 He did. When Sarah died. He called her baby girl many times
1:17 I imagine Ellie would mistake that soft tone for anger based off her experiences with him up to this point. As a previous comment - Rabbit Requiem - noted, the quiver in that single word really shows the encapsulation of this interpretation of the character. He isn't being harsh or forceful - he's almost pleading with Ellie not to talk about it. Joel's whole approach to dealing with his trauma - both in the game and the show - is trying to move on from the deaths of those who mattered to him. Whether it is Sarah or Tess, Joel tries to move on. The show really delves into why this fails: he grieves the loss of Bill and Frank as valuable connections in the dreary post-apocalyptic world, he breaks down in solitary over Tess after reading Bill's letter, he silently contemplates the senseless deaths of Henry and Sam. Finally, he shows his unwillingness to even discuss his daughter has brought Ellie even more emotionally closer to him.
The whole television show is phenomenal in showing that even if Joel has a method to deal with the world, the world is slowly grinding him down because - ultimately - that method fails. He needs the connection which Ellie offers, even if he refuses to believe it.
The game scene will always be spectacular and phenomenal 😍😎💯👍due to the performance's of Troy Baker and Ashley Johnson but Pedro Pascal and Bella Ramsey did a outstanding and incredible job as they both put tons of emotion and depth into their roles.☺️
Ho shit 😭💔 , this scene broked my heart. His not her Daddy.
"ELLIE! You are treding on some mighty thin ice here"
I love how they kept it the same cus the lines were just that good
Love the original version and many lines omitted for this adaptation (mighty thin ice)
But he shove had so much more impact in this version due to the sound design and Bella's delivery from muted to explosive.
And this version didn't have the hunter battle to break the emotional tension so here they and we as an audience just had to sit with it.
Nailed it
“Do you give a shit about me or not?”
*“Of course I do.”*
I had to watch this scene again because i thought it was PERFECTION.
where was the "You are treading on some mighty thin ice" 🤣
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They nailed it. I was wondering if they could do it as good as Troy and Ashley did. And they did
Jasmila Žbanić the director who made Quo Vadis Aida? directed this episode did a terrific job elevating both Pedro Pascal and Bella Ramsey's performances. Jesus Christ, this episode was depressing.
When the voice actors dominate the “real” actors
This scene fucking broke me into a million pieces
I'm trying not to cry over here
Drama queen
Oh god this always maes me cry
I love how we got to see the end of this fight properly in the show. In the game they are interupted by raiders and gameplay fighting ensues instead of what happens here. We get to see Ellie's tearful rejected face and Joel looking angry and hurt as he slams the door shut. I'm sure both of them cried that night (for different reasons). It also leaves more time for Joel to change his mind. He had a whole night that he likely didn't sleep to think about leaving her while in the game he spent maybe 20 minutes riding back to the dam and jackson.
This scene in the game was a lot more emotional, nd it really hit u abt the bond Joel and Ellie had, in the series even though the creators and actors have tried their hardest , it couldn’t match tht emotional level of the game, and just couldn’t click with us as viewers… feel the scene in game was much more better
does anyone know the name of the song that plays in the scene with joel remembering sarah? This Song is so tlou 2 vibes
y'all.. bella's about to giggle any moment, what 😭
2:01 That's the soundtrack that played in the game when Sam and Henry died
I like Pedro, but this scene needed him to be more emotional instead of reserved. What made this scene so powerful in the game was that it was the first real time Ellie pierced Joels armor, where you legit feel the anger grow in him from her words as well as the conflict within him. Pedro's portrayal here (and why I wasn't for him being Joel) just doesn't do it for me, cause it's too somber and monotone for what should exude intense emotion between these two. Bella on the other hand is doing it perfectly.
You make a very good point within the context of the game, but I feel a very clear difference between game Joel and series Joel.
Game Joel is hardened, he’s not actively looking for Tommy. He’s only living to survive, and he doesn’t let anyone in.
Series Joel is a lot more vulnerable with his fears and weaknesses. Unlike the game, he hasn’t given up on his connection with Tommy. He’s actively seeking him, and that makes him a much more active and emotionally connecting character.
Armoured Joel might still work here in the context of Joel and his daughter, but it wouldn’t be as strong in the series as it was in the game. Game Joel’s anger after Ellie mentions Sarah is due to him constantly avoiding thinking about her and connecting with people. It’s the first time he’s being confronted about his daughter, unlike in the series.
With the changes made to his motives, him pouring his heart to Tommy in the series is a very different yet welcoming change that still stays true to Joel’s character and values. Rather than showing how emotionally distant he’s become from others, the show decided to emphasise Joel’s fears deep down that he can’t protect Ellie like Tommy can - something the game only subtly implied.
I have to say it, the game version handled it so beautifully, Troy and Ashley were so spot on with it. This version is fantastic, but in this case, it just doesn't measure up to the game. Pedro and Bella are excellent though.
i honestly think this scene is better than the one in the game lol
I'm so pleased that they were so loyal to this scene as it is in the game. It really goes to show the development of their relationship. Ellie doesn't want him to leave her side, and Joel wants her away 'cause he doesn't think he's good enough to protect somebody else since he already lost his daughter and partner. He wouldn't be as worried as he actually is if he didn't care for Ellie.
The games scene was more powerful. But this was really good too
I don’t know if I agree
I think the TV version did it better
Way I figure, they both have their pros and cons. But if the TV show is good enough to even have that debate in the first place, it's doing something right.
@@Jsimms1324ow? The push Bella did, didn’t feel like it had the emotion behind it. She’s all calm then it was just out of no where. Like she was told she had to do it but didn’t really want to. When Ashley did it, you could hear her working her way up to it with a tone like you knew she was about to blow up. Bella was calm and soft spoken the entire time and didn’t show an emotional roller coaster like Ashley Johnson. wasn’t bad, but it’s not better than the game scene. Pedro did really good. Bella just wasn’t ready for a role this big. Idc who I piss off. Everyone says they love her because she’s non binary and they don’t want to offend her. truth hurts. Bella lead this role, and Pedro would match her intensity. Reason being, when she was soft spoken, Pedro was also, when she blew up and said “ do you give a shit about me or not, Pedro blew up in return, it was her role to set the pace for this scene, and in my opinion, she slacked at it. Wasn’t horrible, but definitely not better than the game.
@gunlover5564 probably the smoothest brain take I've seen of this show so far
The thing that makes this scene so beautiful for me is, personally, I can see myself as both Joel and Ellie in a way.
I dont remember Prince Oberyn and Lady Mormont meeting in GoT
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