Joel And Ellie Last Conversation The Last Of Us Part 2
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I like how Joel is bent over and looks insecure the entire time when talking to Ellie, but when he talks about how he’d “do it all over again” he stands up straight and confident, because the decision to save Ellie’s life is something he doesn’t regret, no matter how shitty it makes him feel.
The only time he looks like the old Joel. Defiant. He knows what he did. And he knows that every single moment he's spent with her since has been despite it. He would rather have her fucking hate him forever than see her die.
What makes me respect Joel even more is how he knew that people would eventually come after him for revenge and was ready to accept the punishment for his choice when it came ("say your speech and get this over with."). Say what you want about Joel, but he took his death like a man.
I could’ve not describe it better
And when he's about to cry when he says "I'd like that"...
@JAYLEE FARLEY "said no one ever" but true.
The saddest thing about this scene is that, while on the mission the day after , Ellie told Dina she wanted to invite Joel over to watch a movie that night. Just imagine how happy he would have been...
It's very sad, but it meant alot to joel knowing she was willing to give him a other chance
Joel met Sarah after all them years. No happier than than even though the circumstances. I hope Ellie and Tommy find peace
Gonna make me cry again
She should never have said that. Everyone knows in fiction, you never make happy plans with anyone because either you or that person is going to die. She fucked up.
@@oisinmclean6164 he died thinking they killed Ellie and tommy
Ellie: I’ll see you around.
Joel: Yep.
Me: 😭😭😭
Never saw each other after that, but she watched Abby playing golf with Joel
filipeferreira Ahahahahahaha! you’re going to hell.
If you didn't cried in this scene ,you didn't played the first part !! 😭😭😭
The emotion that yep held, I love this game so fucking much.
the "Yep." straight up made me shed tears.
Joel really loved Ellie.
"I would do it...ALL over again" Goddammit I love Joel. He ruined his relationship with Ellie but he still feels in his heart he did the right thing. He didn't want to lose another daughter, he couldn't let Ellie die. And he stands by that.
I don't think it's about right or wrong for him. He just doesn't regret it.
@@MatiZ815 Nah, he knows he took the right decision in that hospital. Every logically thinking person would agree to that!
@@konstantingeorgiev7521 I would have done the same as Joel but the logical choice in that situation would be to sacrifice Ellie. It's simple math: one life vs. many. Also, Ellie would want it.
@@MatiZ815 Nope. The logical choice is not to trust a bunch of crazy revolutionaries, that want to perform a deadly operation on a teenage girl, without her consent, in a run-down shady hospital, with no adequate medical supplies, staff, or knowledge, using a brain surgeon, who has no qualifications to make a vaccine whatsoever! Then those same people somehow have to produce enough of it, store it under the right conditions and transport it across america. Something which our advanced society cant really do properly with all the resources we have. So yeah... tell me again what is logical?
@@konstantingeorgiev7521 If that's how you see the ending of the first game then you missed the entire point of the story.
Him knowing his decision ruined their relationship forever and still saying he would do it all over again just shows how much he loves her. He would rather live in a world where she hates him than live in a world without her. God this game ruined me.
The voice acting for Joel was perfect. You could feel the emotion and love in every word.
Motion capture
Its the goat Troy Baker you are talking about
Yeah troy baker is a pretty underrated actor. I kinda hated him until the last of us too ironically but now he's one of my favs. He does an excellent job in death stranding too and that's a very different character
Troy Baker sure is one hell of an actor!
And Ellie just murdered him in the most recent episode! :D
"If somehow the Lord gave me a second chance at that moment, I would do it all over again". Eventhough everyone believes what Joel did was wrong, he firmly believes it was the right thing to do... Love this scene so much...
I truely believe he knows he was wrong. It was objectively the bad thing to do.. but he did it anyway, he'd prefer to doom humanity rather than loosing his only daughter, again.
The vaccine wouldn't work anyway, if u go on gametheorists video about tlou, he explains everything
No problem Joel, let’s play the first game again!
@@ofiwipe First off dont trust him over the game developers.
The second point is joel himself didn ot know that or care. HE would have saved Ellie no matter what. Thus he still ruined a potenital chance to save humanity and kill/masscare the fireflies and kill Abby dad etc. IT was not a good thing to do anyhow. But thats irrelvant to him beause he belived it was right cause all he cared about was Ellie.
SAme reasoning with Abby really
@@ofiwipe somethimg matt patt speculates on is not a fact im sorry to say.
Ellienwas statrd to vr special and unlikr previous people so i think it would have succeded. We will never know though
4:04 that subtle guitar leading to Ellie’s “Okay” feels like a callback to the end of the first game.
That was it bro
Does anyone know which song is that on the soundtrack?
@@clarissetorres7090 nop
@@jacoblarahdez9907 i think its called unbroken. You'll have to see by yourself
That what I thought holy sh!t
Ellie could never really understand Joel's decision until this conversation. In her mind, she believed Joel did something monstrous, something that took away the really meaning of her life as the only immune person. But when she hears him say that he would do it all over again, it clicks. Ellie's life mattered more to Joel than the lives of suffering humans around the world. If he could save his daughter from the humans that would take her away, he wouldn't hesitate. Seeing this, Ellie tries to allow the close relationship she once had with her father.
thank you for this comment
I disagree. Ellie knew what Joel did and why he did it. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out.
The problem was that Ellie saw Joel's actions and his decision as a mistake. She thought that he had fucked up and then tried to hide it by lying. She thought that it was because he was ashamed of what he had done.
But that's not why he lied. He lied because he wanted to protect Ellie. To give her a clear conscience. To get rid of her guilt for as long as he could. To free her as much as possible for as long as possible.
She thought he had lied so that they could spend more time together fully aware of the fact, that had he told her the truth, their relationship would have been destroyed.
Ellie knew that Joel did what he did because of his love for her, but she assumed his decision had been a desperate and a selfish one. That he wanted more time with her for his own sake. She thought that Joel's actions all revolved around his assumption that she wouldn't find out the truth, and that he could keep everything a secret forever. She thought that that was the reason why he had done it in the first place. That he thought he could get away with it and avoid all of the consequences, in other words, he cheated. He cheated her out of her dream/fantasy/destiny.
But then he openly admits that despite all that has happened, "I would do it all over again". That means that he did not cheat. He wasn't planning on getting away with it. He knew this would cost him their relationship. He knew the cost, and the consequences, and he still accepted them. It wasn't out of desperation or selfishness.
Ellie has always known that he made this "mistake" because he loved her. What she hadn't understood was just *how much*
Joel explains it for the first time here. He didn't apologize for it. He didn't justify it. He didn't excuse it. He stood by his choice, hell or high water. Because to him, her life was more important than the entire world. An otherwise admirable, sweet, and even noble sentiment, that was entirely tainted by the hubris Ellie perceived in his choice. And when he clarified the lack of said hubris, the taint was removed.
He still committed a great injustice towards Ellie. But he did it with good intentions. For the right reasons. Intentions and reasons, that up to that point, did not eveb exist in Ellie's mind as a possibility. For the first time, she was finally able to look at this entire situation from a new perspective.
@@Mike23443 i completely agree. i love this comment
She knew he did out of love. She literally used his love for her as a threat for him to tell the truth by saying he’d never see her again if he kept the lie going
I don't know if you're aware, but there's a cool little thing in her journal where she writes about how she understand what he did ever since she became JJ's mum!!! I think she says she would do the same if jj was in her position.
This scene made me so happy because it made me realise that Joel didn’t die thinking that Ellie hated him. Having their argument at the pairty be their final conversation would have been heartbreaking.
But unfortunately he died believing Ellie would be killed next, and he couldnt save her.
@@Hedningen1 I am not sure he was conscious enough to realise she was there.
@@RickeGnool his eyes open when she calls out for him, he knew.
yeah me too, i was so relieved that they atleast got to "talk" for a bit, to even say goodbye to each other
Never tough that, it’s a little easier now that you made me think like that
This is the best scene from the last of us part 2
its good but I prefer heart warming scenes, like the space travelling one
YES!!!!!!
It's bringing emotions up, like the scene in the farm house in part 1
This is tlou2
I think my favourite scene is actually Joel's death just cause of how good the acting is and how much it hits me in the feels. It's not a scene I go back and watch regularly though...
I used to play tlou all the time with my dad. We was both so emotional when we saw this playthrough. My father told me, that has he been in Joel’s situation he would do the same for me and that he understod Joel and i would understand it once i become a father. This was my fathers favourite game and he often asked me when are we gonna play it again, even though we had completed it multiple times. He watched as i played for hours. My father passed away last week, and this game really has giving me a very strong connection. He died aged 60 only. Rest in peace papa i love you more than life itself❤️
I’m so sorry for your loss ❤️ but what a beautiful story. The last of us really does remind us of our humanity
@@violwarden5693 thank you.❤️ It really does and I’m forever grateful to having this experience with my dad
Hope you're better, he's for sure watching you from heaven
@@ikfelipee it’s been better thank you, i try to keep my head up even though it’s tough. I really do hope he is in heaven, watching me
Your father is a legend, I pray he be victorious in his next destination
I'm replaying the first one and Ellie explicitly says her worst fear is ending up alone. 😭
And at the end, it happened. She ended alone yet having the choice to stay with Dina and have a peacefull life but her revenge on Abby cost her a lot.
@@brickhouse7978 I think that’s a hint for Part III. At the beginning of the game, we get to see the boat at the end of the game. And the end of the game, maybs, we get to see the boat of the beginning of Part III. I hope it’s a healing game for both Abby and Ellie’s side in Part III :(
@@michaelnguyen6891 Part 3 should never even be thought of
Part 3 Tommy is probably gonna be the main character along with Ellie, since he wanted to killed Abby.
@@Utah842 tommy is physically disabled after Seattle so I don’t think that’ll be the case
''I'd like that.''
to me, is the absolute most perfectly delivered line in the history of voice acting.
I would say that Arthur Morgan's "I'm afraid." hit's just a tad harder.
The name of the song that Joel is playing at the beginning is "Helplessly hoping"
OMFG I HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR THIS FOREVER THANK YOU SO MUCH
It kills me that Joel is playing "Helplessly Hoping" here. He's clearly upset after the night's earlier events and this song is the perfect way for him to express his grief. He's helplessly hoping Ellie can forgive him, and upon hearing that she would just at least like to try, he breaks. What a well written scene.
Joel is the father we all wanted but never deserved. The father we all hope to be.
You goddamn right
i never had a dad. I look over to Joel and now he's dead.
He's the father I wish I had. You're right about that
My dad was like him, he would do anything he could to protect the ones he loved. He was the sweetest guy I've ever known. I miss him
He was a goddamn monster why does everyone think this murdering mal adjusted co dependent shooty monster man
I’ve finished this game for a while now but I keep coming back to this scene over and over again. I can’t wait to see how Pedro and Bella play this out
Honestly, I'm just interested to see how they structure the story. They've shown that they're happy to do flashbacks, but the first game is a linear story with some time jumps.
Part 2 isn't structured in a traditional way. It's designed to get certain emotions out of the player in a certain order, dropping perspective in after the fact to make you rethink what you felt earlier.
Hell, the farm was a natural end point and I'm convinced they added the California stuff solely to have the player emotionally exhausted to match the final fight.
Significantly harder adaptation in store for them.
@@nathandts3401 and did u guys watch the series? what are your opinions? :)
@@crazylittlething6762 Thought it was great. Felt certain scenes were acted better in the show/game, but it was mostly an accurate adaptation.
Issues would be that I prefer the spore transmission and would have liked more infected and I think they lacked a little foresight with some things they omitted; deemphasising Ellie's inability to swim is going to mess with the museum episode and omitting the Sarah/Joel photo is a missed opportunity when Ellie is walking around Joel's home in the next season.
@@nathandts3401 With the spores gone, I wonder how certain scenes in pt2 will play out. Spores play a BIG role in some pivotal scenes, like Ellie's mask breaking or Nora's death.
@@Kevin-mm8go I expect she'll get a bite and Dina will have to debate killing her. Can do the same emotional breakdown part. All they'd be missing is the self sacrifice.
Nora hospital scene is probably also going to be a visible bite.
Spores are definitely cooler, but it shouldn't be too different.
3:56 He wants to hug her so bad. I can't even handle this game, man. I have a little girl of my own and I know EXACTLY what he's feeling in that moment.
I cried like a baby at this scene.. I don't know why.. maybe because seeing him again was just this reminder he's gone for good. The relief and stress was gone and everything was just depressing. I liked the game, but it ended with an empty and sad feeling.
Sad yes. If it was empty then you misunderstood the game. It was nothing but empty. Ellie was experiencing very complicated emotions towards Joel, Abby, Dina and even herself! She loved Joel and all of a sudden, after Joel's death, her wanting to matter so much doesn't mean anything. She's angry at herself for letting this get in the way. However, this loss put things into perspective. Ellie felt very vengeful towards Abby but let her go because she knew that if she had killed Abby, she'd no longer be that person that Joel loved so much. Ellie towards the end finally moved on and you can see her wearing Dina's bracelet that she had left behind when she went on her quest to kill Abby (implies Dina took her back). This symbolized a new beginning for Ellie, one with hard won lessons and the scars to prove it. The new beginning is further underscored by her leaving the guitar behind which means she's finally forgiven Joel and herself. Ellie's misdirected anger throughout the game was fueled by her anger towards Joel for dying and herself for letting it happen (and for being angry with him) which she then projected onto Abby (who was also seeking vengeance for her dad). Very meaningful, rich and quite sad. The greatest acts of horror stem from the most passionate of feelings.
@@theman1860 No that wasn't what I mean. Throughout the game I felt so many emotions and than seeing him again all the stress was gone. But personally I felt depressed. Yeah Ellie is moving forward, but I'm feeling like I'm in the room alone. Still sad. Isn't it ironic that the camera just follows Ellie from the room/window? Like we as a viewer are still there.
@@LittleSkyful I see what you meant now. You're right but I keep coming back to the story and especially the songs.
it still hurts.
I played this game a year ago and I still remember every detail of the story. It's embedded in my head, just like the first game. I will always remember these 2 games throughout my life, they are something special.
When Ellie sees Joel while she is choking Abby, it’s because she finally realized why Joel saved her from the hospital. Joel doesn’t want her to end up like him seeking revenge, all he wants is to see her live a life. Joel never got to see Sarah live and he just wants to see Ellie live with or without him.
Seeing this breaks my heart so much. She never got to tell Joel that she really loved him. She never got to forgive him when he was alive. They never got to get past what happened. Ellie deserved better, but that’s not what this world gives you. :(
the worst part is that she may not be able to forgive herself
@@Benedique I think she did, or she is starting to do so, this is why she left the guitar at the end.
If it makes you feel any better, here's something that makes ME feel better about all of this: her saying she "would like to try" to forgive him was, in a way, a start for her, and him, to get past what happened. I'd say, it was her way of telling Joel she loves him - and I'm pretty sure it got through to him.
You know I don’t think people noticed this but before the final strike on Joel, before he died he said his final I love you
I know right, this game is cartoonishly mean to Ellie and i hate it.
What a game, what a franchise. God I love The Last of Us
I love this game and its story more than I can ever express
@@Judge-1964right there with ya. HBO better bring it.
The game isnt just about revenge. It’s about forgiveness. If she can forgive Joel for what he did then she can forgive abby for what she did. Abby and Ellie lost everything because of revenge. Revenge isnt the answer. Forgiveness is.
Wise words pal
Still a waste of time tho
@@skinkx7176 with corona around still a well spent time
was a fun journey with massacring dogs, soldiers and infected
Skinkx how is it a waste of time? Its a great game with deep meaning
@@K1LL3RBURR1TO I dont think this game needed a sequel I liked how airtight the first one was but I didnt hate this one
Seeing Joel evolve as a character to enjoy life was truly heartwarming. At the beginning of the first game, he is cold hearted and angry, absolutely refusing to believe everything that happened to him did happen. When Ellie comes along, he learns that he can still seek solace in other people, and finds new things to live for. Reuniting with his brother, spending time with Ellie before their fallout and living a relatively peaceful life in Wyoming were probably the best last few years he could have asked for.
Can we just acknowledge the underrated fact that this is the first time Joel learned Ellie was gay and it barely phased him. I know it gets over shadowed but wow.
I could be wrong but didn’t Ellie have a girlfriend before Dina? Someone named Cat?
id say it has a good amount of acknowledgment. i mean its 20 something years into the apocalypse. being gay or straight doesn't matter anymore. irl and in game world
@@thegentleman2419 But the whole crux was Joel defending Ellie when the bigot dude yelled at them at the dance, so just like much of society you have those backwards people who will still dislike it, but yes I think most people would ignore the gay vs straight argument in an apocalypse because of survival being the more pressing concern.
@@thegentleman2419 seth proves otherwise
@@zachymooo well nobody likes Seth
I hate this scene... But i can't stop watching... It breaks my heart. Never thought i would miss an video game character.
Have you played Red Dead Redemption 2? btw I love this scene, but yeah, breaks my heart man, this was the night before the "incident". :(
@@JesusVillelaF uff... Rip Arthur, please do not remind me of his last breath against the morning sun
@@ppikach64 yeah, it was like losing a real person. Such a great character.
yeah i can't believe i feel sad someone that isn't even real 😢
This game is goddamn awful!!!😭
i just wish it never existed huge dissapointment !!!the 1st game is a masterpiece they just ruined it with this awful sequel im never ever gonna expect too high again........
When her voice broke at the words “but I’d like to try”, I felt my tear ducts set ablaze. Everything about Ellie’s action in that final fight made perfect sense from that moment, because I went into things with an open clear head, and recognized the more Abby was pressured by her guilt to help yara and Lev, the more she became the very man she grew to hate. Two sides of the same coin. And people wanted a crystal skull type sequel.
In the words of tommy
“What a joke”
What do you mean by a crystal skull type sequel?
@@PinoyPhill By the numbers, crowd pleaser with no risk.
@@PinoyPhill pandering to the audience. Essentially, just Ellie and Joel prancing around the country again.
Your "Crystal Skull" comment is on the money. People don't like novelty. This game was a tough drama, especially for a videogame, and the editing was on fire in this game, saving this hinging moment for last, framing the entirety of the game. It was Joel's game, same as the first.
Part 2's story is significantly more complex than the first game. A lot of people just can't handle negative emotions and don't have the emotional intelligence to realise it.
This is what Ellies revenge was about, she never got to truly patch things up with Joel but she started the first steps to but the next day Abby forever robbed her of that. Ironically both Ellie and Abby never truly forgave those who hurt them, Abby never forgave Joel and in her pursuit of revenge she alienated herself from Owen and in getting her revenge she didn't change anything afterward but set Ellie Down her own path of vengeance and that path claimed everyone Abby loved, after meeting Lev Abby learned to move on with her life and not kill Dina but Ellie still Blinded with revenge wound up pursuing it to the point of losing the life she built with Dina.
But in the end, she finally forgave Joel and now, two people once blinded by revenged now can put aside their hatred and need for revenge and try to build a new life. On the steelbook of the game it has Ellie and Abby on both sides of it and it reminded me of a saying like "Like comedy and tragedy. Two sides, same coin. "
They were both the Hero of their own story and the villian in the others
Cant have said it better.
and this is why it's a masterpiece
The world need more understanding people like you who can see both sides, you summed everything up perfectly
I love this comment 💔
I think the reason ellie let go abby is because she seen abby as joel trying protect lev as herself. If she kills abby, lev would be hopeless like she was and probably begin another revenge circle to hunt ellie
Well he did say he would be sitting on his porch, picking away at his six string.
what this in part 1? that he said this?
i just remember that and i’m literally crying fuck me
I too would like to know when
Isaac Shepard in part one at the beginning of the spring chapter.
@@cachemoney2802 after ellie killed david the chapter after that
Just seeing Joel in the beginning at peace on his guitar gets me every time. Plus this is the most relatable conversation between a parent and child who is growing up. My mom once went off on a girl I was dating when I was younger and I ended up breaking up with the girl. I remember being so mad at my mom but I understood after a while she never meant to hurt me but just made a mistake. I forgave her but I can really relate to this feeling of just anger but then finally being at peace.
Damn that's a good insight. And yes exactly seeing Joel just at peace and acceptance here is amazing. People say Joel died in such a disrespectful way but they act like some random punk shot him dead. (By random I mean like literally a random nothing NPC) I feel like they wanted him to die all heroic like or in a badass fashion; if it was heroic or something I think it wouldn't have worked with the story of Ellie struggling to forgive him. Just before Joel died I really think he accepted his fate. He had done everything he wanted, and finally got closure with Ellie about something he knew he was gonna get comeuppance for. He took it like the man he is. To me there's no way that's not badass
@@nickb6425 hey man just saw your comment but yeah we don’t normally get to choose how we leave this word. While again I know how Ellie felt just so full of rage and anger with Joel but you gotta move on from it. I was so heartbroken hen things didn’t work out with that girl and I blamed my mom for what happened for a long time but again I had to move on from it forgive. I think forgiving someone is the hardest possible thing.
Are you a girl?
@@user-hc3tc9wh3r nah haha but I was a teenage in love once. I know I’m a dumbass
Honestly, I'm glad this was their last conversation. Because I thought her last words to him was "I don't need your fucking help, Joel." That would've been more heartbreaking and terrible.
What I believe Joel felt: “You weren’t meant to die there, you do matter.”
I felt the main reason Ellie hunted Abby down wasn't only to avenge Joel, but because of her own guilt. She shunned him for years after he told her the truth. And she was angry at herself that she didn't try to forgive him a lot sooner. There's a common theme in this game of consquences in habouring negative feelings and holding grudges. It drove Ellie to push Joel away before forgiving him while he was still alive, and it drove her to do things that were terrible along the way in looking for Abby. And those negative feelings she couldn't let go of resulted in her ending up alone, losing everything that was important to her and became someone with a shit load of blood on her hands.
The only comfort I could find at the end was that Joel died knowing that Ellie didn't hate him. And hearing him basically say he would rather live in a shitty world with Ellie still in it resenting him, than live in a potentially cured world with her being dead.... he loved her so much 😭😭😭. He did precisely what my own father would do for me, and I fully stand by him. I think even Ellie realized in this moment why he couldn't apologize for that.
THIS WHAT IVE BEEN SAYING!! viewing it through the lens of guilt instead of revenge makes the farmhouse scenes and the final fight make so much more sense
I've been preaching this for 3 years. It's why Ellie chose to Seattle, and why she chose to go to Santa Barbara, and why she spared Abby.
3:55 both of them about to cry 😭
Joel did cry 😢
rip joel
This story is such a mind trip, since Joel lost his daughter, he was a pessimistic, depressed, murderer who took innocent lives to survive with Tommy as hunters, and he ended up becoming a smuggler. Finding Ellie saved his life, in an ironic way. He became who really was again; a great person. “When you’re lost in the darkness, look for the light”. Such a tragic end.
And not only a great person, but a father again.
People who say Part II completely disrespected Joel are just plainly wrong.
It honors the character by making him firmly stand his ground with respect to his decision in the first game. The reason the porch scene is the very last one you see is so that you realise that Joel would have gone through both the physical and mental torture that Abby and Ellie put him through "all over again" if it meant Ellie was to live a happy life of her own.
Joel knows he made the right decision, even if it meant he had to die for it. He went down like a true man and this game demonstrates this even though it's not that obvious.
Your right about everything except joel didn't make the right decision he saved ellie for himself there were other ways he could have handle that situation he didn't have to kill abby father and the doctors he could have tried to reason with them saying this should be her choice or he could've wounded them without killing he also should've told ellie the truth things might have happen differently
@@kingsboro1"He could have tried to reason with them"
If I recall from when I just finished the game 10 minutes ago, Abby's father was gonna stab Joel if he didn't go away. Joel did the right thing.
@@warfare1101 if you look back at that scene joel didn't have to kill jerry he could've wound or disarm him and he didn't have to kill the other doctors either joel did the right thing but with bad intentions that lead to a bad outcome
Except joel doesnt owe the world a damn thing it was his decision to make weather or not to save ellie
@@harz4039 at the sametime he should've thought about what ellie wanted in the end of the day joel saved ellie for himself why because he never got over losing Sarah and paid the price because he was no different then jerry both men were selfish they didn't care what ellie wanted
"If somehow the Lord gave me a second chance at that moment, I would do it all over again" I started crying here... Man this scene is powerful.
This scene is masterful. The acting, writing, every nuance to the performances, the deeper implications that recontextualize Ellie's anger throughout the whole story. Joel choking up at the thought he might finally have another chance to get close to Ellie. Absolutely masterful.
She was gonna invite Joel to watch a movie the next day. Thats what makes me sad.
I hope Ellie knows that Joel never stopped loving her, not even for a second. That was his baby girl, and always will be.
Beautiful scene. The expression on Ellie's face when she says she wants to try to forgive him is so powerful. It shows how much she really cares about their relationship.
I'm glad this was their last scene, if the party was their last I would've been pissed
@Jojo Momo pissed*
Why would you piss that’s an awkward reaction.
@@Hassony523 "been pissed" aka "been mad"
@@Hassony523bro lol what
@@Player-kg1ds it’s called a joke, learn to take it?
2:34 - 2:45 Wow that voice acting is actually impressive - the way her voice trembles!
When he says "If somehow the Lord gave me a second chance at that moment... I woul do it all over again"
I collapsed in that part...
That defiance in his decision is really powerful and admirable. It shows how much he truly loved her.
Not ready for this in the show. This game is absolutely tragic but I can’t believe so many people think it’s a horrible story.
It is a horrible story. Joel died in pathetic and oddly specific way, not one that would make sense for that world.
@@jackspedicy it kinda made sense for the world, nobody is special, nobody is a hero in real life..as much as we love joel he was also a human in a ruthless world, I just finished part 2 and I think it was a beautiful game.
@@jackspedicy Not every protagonist needs to go out in a blaze of glory. For someone like Joel, he burned a lot of people. The Fireflies were the most organized and had connections with Tommy. Someone tracking down Joel and killing him for what he did is more plausible than a fungus (that will never be able to infect us) turning us into zombies.
Because so many people have a simple outlook about life, and can only enjoy Disney-style happily-ever-after stories. They forget that in the TLOU universe (like in the real world) there are no mythical heroes, just flawed real people.
There’s a scene in TLOU 1 where Ellie asked Joel how he knew it was a trap. Joel said that he used to be on the other side, meaning he was a hunter who preyed on (and killed) passers by to rob their stuff. He was no angel, in fact he was a robber, murderer, and smuggler. We like him anyway because he was OUR murderer.
What happened to him was sad, but it came with the territory.
@@jackspedicy Agreed; I really hope they do part 2 completely differently for season 2 of the show.
This relates to what Glenn said in TWD.
“I’d rather have you pissed off at me and alive, then liking me and dead”.
But is that really a good thing?
I still dont have processed the Feelings that game gave me. I keep coming back to watch the last fight scene and that final conversation between ellie and joel. Such a great game man, such a sad game :(
I've played this game like four times and I've rewatched many scenes, including this one. But no matter how many times I watch it I get chills and tear up every single time. And Joel's "I'd like that" kills me
I don't think I can ever forget this scene. It broke me being at the end of the game. It made me tear and I just felt so sad. This game is a masterpiece, few have moved me like this one did.
this scene still hurts after 2 years..
@@tigrispanthera5496Still hurts just as much as it did 4 years ago
the game ending with this scene and flashing forward to the future to ellie being alone in the very end is perfect. it was the one thing she feared most back in the last of us part I and now her fear came true. such a perfect ending
i really hope that tlou3 never happens. tlou2 left everything like it should
An often overlooked point is how accepting Joel was of Ellie's relationship with Dina. In spite of how angry she was with him, I think Ellie was still very nervous and insecure about what Joel might think, and he was so supportive and sweet. God, I miss Joel. ❤️
don’t make me cry 💔
In a post-apocalyptic zombie infested world, I'd like to think that same-sex relationships are the least of anyone's worries!
@@GeddyRC i think the game showed its about the same as when the apocalypse started. it’s not illegal but some old bigot in Wyoming will still tell girls they can’t kiss in a “family establishment”
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Tell that to Seth
this is the one of the best written scenes in video game history
The scene that culminates the game and brings all sense back to it. Truly a masterpiece. No wonder why it swept the game awards.
If the fireflies truly cared about Ellie’s life, they would’ve woke her up at the hospital and asked her what choice she would want. But instead they attempted to kill her in her sleep for a vaccine. To be honest, Joel did the right thing because he knows what it feels like to lose a loved one he failed to protect after losing Sarah. And Ellie shouldn’t have made that whole conversation about her. Its not like the fireflies were going to hang-up a frame photo in front of every building for sacrificing herself for the sake of all humans if society does back to normal.
Right and wrong is subjective
The fireflies did care for the world which is why they did the right thing. Marlene ordered them to. Marlene and ellie already said they wanted it.
"you're such an asshole" - such a teenager moment. She's hurt and confused and she loves him but she's furious with him and she needs him but she can't stand being around him. Such brilliant writing. The choice was taken from her, and she has to figure out what her lifes purpose and meaning is, and she knows it requires him. And he'd like that.
So hard. Goddamn it's so hard.
“If somehow the Lord gave me a second chance, I would do it all over again”
-Niel Druckmann through Joel
This has to be one of my favorite endings to any piece of media ever
I just came here to watch this scene again just to cry...great ༼;´༎ຶ ༎ຶ༽
It's been a year, and it's been years. I can't move on. I'm so attached to this game. FFFFFFFFF. Still the best game ever existed.
same 😕
Have you noticed, in the farm of ellie and Dina, when ellie get back a the farm, the drawing of Dina have disapear, what do you think that significat? (sorry I have a bad English)
ooo- Red dead 2 exists so like...
Nope the games was trash the story was shit there ruined it
@@tron1176 you’re right. I loved this game, but after reading your very intelligent comment, I actually hate it now. Thank you Tron 117.
Elli’s revenge wasn’t exactly triggered by Joel’s death, just the fact that Abby took her chance of forgiving Joel away.
this served as so much more than just their final conversation. take into account about the fact that Ellie is clearly reflecting on it rather than just remembering it. She realized that forgiving Joel could not come through avenging joel as it only reminded her of the hatred she felt for him in the first place. The main reason she reflects on it is because of what Joel wanted from her. He wanted her to keep living and to have an amazing life, the life he and we believed that she deserved. At the end, Ellie shuns her purpose of avenging joel or being humanity’s last hope but rather live the way Joel wanted her to live. This is her way of not only honoring but also forgiving him and finally allowing herself to be happy. The ending is far from a bad one as Ellie and Dina become reunited(i.e the bracelet) and when Ellie leaves Joels guitar, she decides to move on from her anger and forgive/honor Joel.
The voice acting and performance for Joel is absolutely amazing you can legit feel every emotion and sadness to every word he says
Naughty Dog really did their job in programming Joel's reaction to Ellie forgiving him, you can notice how sad he was and how much he wished for that moment
I’m glad they forgave eachother in the end🥺😭
They didn’t, and that’s what was so damn heartbreaking. Their talk up here took place just a day before Joel died, and Ellie was only just planning to try and begin forgiving him, like with the movie night they had planned. But unfortunately, Joel died before that reconnection could happen, which just makes this even more tragic.
They didn't, that's because it's sad
@@donovam2773 @The Quality Comedian Well Ellie forgave him only at the end of the game but at the same time, she let him go... Which makes this more sadder
@Jojo Momo I see your point but it's not that easy to forgive someone in 2 hours.
@@thequalitycomedian7842 I think she did forgive him in the end that's why she didn't kill Abbey, because she was thinking about Joel and everything she went trough with him. And I believe that Joel will be always in Ellie's heart .
The amount of joy Joel must've felt after hearing Ellie say she wants to try and rebuild their relationship despite still being angry with him makes me really happy. I'm glad him and Ellie were able to have at least that before his death.
his death? what are you talking about 🤣🤣🤣 the game ended at them watching a movie 🙏🙏 CANON #trust
@@tigrispanthera5496 The coping is real with this one and even if its a joke its still hilarious 😭
@@pontiffsulyvahn3898 LMAO 😭 gotta laugh the pain away
the song future days will really make you a little bit of crying baby. agree?
Especially now that there's a full version. Had me feeling all these emotions all over again
Honestly aside from how perfect the scene actually is, its placement in the story is genius. By the time we get to the Abby fight we have no idea that this conversation even happened. We thought the last time they ever spoke was at the dance. But not only is it a great reveal to show us that their final conversation was actually a good one, but Ellie remembering it in the first place speaks volumes. This whole game she’s been focusing on the negative, and how could she not? But just this once in a moment very similar to Joel’s death, she remembers that her last talk with him was happy, and she makes the decision to spare a life. It’s brilliant stuff, I gotta replay this game soon
Those little guitar strums as Ellie begins to open up and heal the relationship, like music returning to their lives. Just perfect, the songs they could’ve sung.
A small note about the music:
The game didn't use much of the first games soundtrack and even the signature ronroco (the instrument which played the theme in the 1st game) was replaced mostly by a guitar and a "darker" banjo. The ronroco only only returned prominently in happier moments for Ellie. That's because for the most of the game she's filled with anger (guitar and banjo) and the Ellie of game 1 is buried deep. Only when she starts to forgive Joel at 5:04 the beautiful and hopeful ronroco returns. She even physically left the guitar behind at the end of the game.
Another beautiful example is the zoo scene. At her happiest when she's in the shuttle (link with timestamp: czcams.com/video/oXxsQRBx9HE/video.html) the ronroco play. At the end when she sees the Fireflies graffiti the lies of Joel fill her with anger, and the banjo plays (link with timestamp: czcams.com/video/oXxsQRBx9HE/video.html).
Thank you for your comment !!
I will always stand by Joel's decision in TLOU. In reality, ellie was never really gonna get to make the decision either way. Either Joel was gonna make the decision to give her a chance at life, or the fireflies were gonna just rob her of that chance anyway. My stepdad played this game, and he absolutely fall in love with the story of and played this game multiple times. And as we discussed how we felt after I had already played the game years prior, his agreement in that even for a game protoganist, the game nailed how most parents would react to save their child. I know its a game, its just so fucking good.
no dislikes... i gotta underline that. no one can do "dislike" this.i know i'll watch it in the future whenever i'll miss joel with ellie. thanks for the video.
so sad... but i can't stop watching and cryng.
Eu também n, mesmo considerando q os escritores fizeram absolutamente o pior trabalho na história de video-games
The voice acting in this game and especially this scene phenomenal 👏
This scene always gets me, the dialogue is perfect and shows how much Joel would do for Ellie.
i never really noticed how joel is crying in this scene, or at least trying very hard not to cry. he loved her so much oh my god i won’t ever get over them
i’ve played the game like 4 times and this still makes me tear up 😭😭
First time I've ever cried like a baby with a videogame controller in my hands through my entire life, never forgetting this...
I feel so sick and sad every time I see this scene, I miss Joel so much and the bond he and Ellie used to have 😢❤
If the TV show ever does this scene and nails it like this, I will be in shambles
The hardest boss fight in this game is not crying after this scene.
This scene just made the whole ending mean so much more.
This scene makes me sob. Especially the part where Ellie says “I don’t know if I could ever forgive you for that. But I would like to try” just knowing what happens next is heartbreaking 😭
I feel like this last flashback had been a repressed memory of Ellie's throughout the game. If the player looks through her journal, all the drawings of Joel will have his eyes crossed out, the eyes of a loving father that this memory is meant to show. Ellie probably blocked it out after Joel's death due to a combination of the trauma and the guilt from her choice to sever ties with him.
When the time came to fight Abby, Ellie did not see a monster, but rather a protective guardian to Lev like Joel was to her. It caused her to hesitate, but she still chose to fight a girl who had been weakened after a long time of torture. It was only when she was about to kill Abby that the memory finally resurfaced, and she remembered what kind of person Joel was to her. She realized that her desire to kill Abby was because she was projecting all the anger she felt towards herself onto her, so she ended her pursuit.
The part where Ellie leaves the guitar represents two things. The first is obviously letting Joel go, while the second is letting go of her arrogance. That was shown with the moth symbol being emphasized. Her pride ended up causing her to push Joel away, and when he died, she was unknowingly unwilling to face up to her mistake. Now that she has let go of her pride, she can now live her life and honor Joel's biggest action for her.
This is just my take on the game's ending. Feel free to disagree.
This is by far the best scene in the whole game. Never fails to make me cry.
once in a while i suddenly remember this scene, and play it again in my head, and then weep a little. this is the most perfectly written moment of dialogue ever in gaming history, brilliant in every line. The Last of Us 2 is a misunderstood masterpiece.
The game makes it feel like the worst thing that could've happened was him dying when they were still angry at each other, but then it showed us that the worst thing was him dying when they were getting past their problems. It's the most shocking moment I've ever had, playing any videogame... besides UNDERTALE.
The last of us 2 is dogshit and people praising it are morons
@@Fauwkes So you go out of your way to look up cutscenes from games you don’t like just to take joy away from people & to insult those who enjoyed it?
I despise Control & Alan Wake with every fiber of my being. But I couldn’t imagine doing what you’re doing. I’m way too handsome to be doing that. My chiseled features keep me from stooping down that low. This game lives rent free in your head
@@joshuatealeaves yes. You people directly cause game quality to suffer
Agree. The lines and dialogues are just beautiful.
Like this line "if somehow the Lord gave me a second chance at that moment... I would do it all over again".
Beautiful and powerful line that cemented his resolve, that he did not have a shred of regret when he did that.... But also it cemented his selfishness as a character. Even after knowing exactly what Ellie wanted, hearing it himself from her directly, he'd still do it again, knowing it would hurt her in the future.
"if somehow the Lord gave me a second chance at that moment... I would do it all over again".
Beautiful and powerful line that cemented his resolve, that he did not have a shred of regret when he did that.... But also it cemented his selfishness as a character. Even after knowing exactly what Ellie wanted, hearing it himself from her directly, he'd still do it again, knowing it would hurt her in the future.
I wanted to hate this game, I wanted everyone to hate this game and I was so pleased that everyone did. But I knew deep down that the only reason I wanted that was because I wanted the developers to pay for making me feel so miserable, for killing off Joel and taking everything away from Ellie. But deep down I knew that this was not a bad game at all. This game was brilliant, it achieved everything it wanted to. So what if it wanted to achieve nothing but eternal misery. It achieved it, and it did so brilliantly. This is a tragic game, but it is not a bad game. For too long I tried to convince myself that this was a bad game, only because I did not want to accept what happened to Ellie and Joel. I'm going to give up trying to convince myself now. This was a tragic game, not a bad game.
A masterpiece of the highest order. You do not see game developers write stories like this anymore.
It was alrighttt. Pretty disappointing end to see Joel die and not even kill abbie.
@@marshall2598 🤡
@@marshall2598 bro you missed the whole point of the game
@@jetso2000 nah i understand it now and it was a great game i just needed time to open my eyes
@@marshall2598 bro had his own character arc
“Just remember any convocation you have with anybody could be your last”-I think I heard that somewhere or I made it up, but still...
The way in the start of the game he didn't want to stick around with her and didn't want to carry her responsibility, then he gradually starts to love her and care about her and made a difficult decision for her is incredible. Now she's like a daughter to him after Sarah's death. I felt Joel's love for her in my heart.
There are lines in film, TV, games...that are just pure. Pure love, pure honesty, pure friendship, pure hate, pure sadness. The moment Joel told Ellie that if he was sent back in time he would do the exact same thing, knowing full well how pissed off Ellie would be because of it, was pure honesty. She would have completely forgiven him if he hadn't had his head bashed in with a golf club less than 24 hours later.
I will be more than happy to have a character like Joel in my real life, such an assertive character with his statement in 3:03
My favourite scene in the game! I loved how we had to go through everything to be rewarded with this great scene. It is a perfect send off for joel.
And I think people suggesting that Joel “would have never” let his guard down with the WLF because of how he was in the first game is so vapid that I don’t even know what to say. It’s almost as if these people don’t understand character development and ALLLLL of the obvious ques that Joel has clearly softened. Those years living in Jackson (not to mention him being in his 50s at this point), made him a different person. Kind, loving, open, caring. Walking through his house with his woodworking, the picture of him and Ellie next to the picture of him and Sarah. He was a man that was settled, learned to love be more trusting of others. Ellie has a right to be mad but she CLEARLY loved Joel every bit as much as Joel loved her. I’m f’ing 40yrs old and I don’t recall any book, movie, game making me feel so sad. Idk how you can proceed with part 3 either. Ellie is completely broken, she doesn’t want to fight or kill any more. For her to rekindle murderous rage and to play that out for another 25 hours wouldn’t make sense.
@@solidsnake7167 WTF was he supposed to do. Take on 100 zombies?
My favourite scenes were killing Abby's friends no offense to the game it's still great
@@solidsnake7167 I think it would be amazing if the 3rd game was entirely about them able to find a cure and Ellie sacrifices herself
one of the few games that made me cry more than once.
Imagining Pedro Pascal and Bella there. Just Can't wait for season 2.
Joel may be dead but in our hearts....he's still alive❤️❤️❤️😭❤️❤️❤️😭😭😭❤️
Abby didn't just kill Joel. She killed any chance for Ellie to ever forgive him. With her fingers missing she can no longer play the guitar. Her last connection to Joel.
This hits so hard. We’ve all hurt someone. I had been with my first love about a year and a half before she had to move for her last couple years of college. We were mid 20s and I thought I was mature enough for it. Things led to a breakup that I initiated super abruptly and really hurt her. I could’ve done so many things different but didn’t and could have moved but got scared. In the end I caused the issues and it was pretty much all on me. The next 9 months were pure unfiltered hell filled with so much regret and guilt. Finally after lots of patience and work she let me talk to her again. When Ellie says, “I can’t forgive you, but I want to try.” It mirrors what was said but just a tad different. Everything about how things were portrayed here were so close and spot on. I cried. If you can make amends with people you hurt and they let you, NEVER squander that. Never.
The music at the end is absolute perfection!
I just noticed that twice now when they have spoken about what happened, the end of the last one and right before she leaves in this, her okay's sound different. I think it was Neil Druckman who said the ok in the first game was like "I don't believe you and I can't handle this" or something like this and the second ok was an acceptance of what he had done for her.
Seems like looking way too deep into it but I wanted to be involved in noticing things in the game lol