We've Got Answers: PS5 vs Xbox Series X - How Is Sony Competitive With Inferior Specs?
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I have all three current consoles at home. So far it is quite peaceful, no console war so far in my living room.
As soon as you leave the room, they boot up and a skirmish begins
@@TechRyze War Story lol
Its when the lights go out and the last human falls asleep when the battles resume.
I didn't make the connection before, but console wars may be why my Steamdeck died unexpectedly.
Everyday I wake up my Series X is a few inches closer to my PS5….I think it’s slowly moving itself closer while I sleep planning it’s attack
I’m sure the comments will be reasonable, thoughtful and even handed
Leaf Phil Spencer alone!
Cue the "leave my corporate overlord alone!!!" meme
Everyone will be found by saying such things.
😂
Ps5 is way better, architecturally
99 % of console players don't care about two dropped frames and medium quality shadows.
PS5 looks great tbh. More like Very High settings most of the time (which many PC versions prove in comparisons, or it is a more balanced mix between ultra , high and very high). Means it is enough for most people. It needs so much more power to get small improvements, that it doesn´t really matter compared to XSX. Means in reality the improvements in some games are pixel peeping. Same thing with PC vs Console... (for the casual user it is more than enough).
I play the ps5 on a 1080p screen and performance mode. For me it's enough.
Medium shadows is standard for me on pc, shadows have too huge performance hit to be worth going higher.
Agreed. It’s about value for me.
@@Da-ikendoes it play games?
"Aww shit, here we go again." CJ
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Man, the DF clips video's comment sections are about a million times worse than the main channels
aww... people don't agree with all your opinions? tough crowd lol smh
@@asdfxcvbn746 tech is not a matter of opinions. It's math and algorithms. You are either right or wrong.
@@asdfxcvbn746 case and point.
For real. People are so weird
The channel attracts - among _others_ - the type of viewer who prefers short videos that they can easily process and not think about too much, and such viewers tend to suck as commenters. If I were to guess, the clip channel audience is on average probably decades younger than the main channel.
Microsoft never recovered from E3
Recover from never actually having a major successful console? Sony and Nintendo have both had multiple 100mil+ console sellers. Xbox BEST is Sony's "Failure" lol.
@@OTPulse I'd say the 360 was pretty successful. The problem with fanboys is they want to just got off of console sales alone but that doesn't tell the whole story.
@Spartan_83 Did good in the USA. That's it. A success, kind of a stretch. The whole new player to the game is a pure cope. Microsoft is literally the biggest computer software company in the world and sold less than 25% of Sony's debut console . The Sony software department was minuscule in comparison, and their hardware had almost nothing to do with Computers at that point in time.
Xbox should have launched as some type of TV PC box like the Steam Machines was, but have a unique Xbox shop front that sells games specifically optimised for its hardware + controller, but also allow PC games to run either via paid unlock or menu option(be off by default). I would have purchased that for sure. It probably would have secured the PC game market as well.
@@OTPulse the PS3 only beat it out by a few million and after it went out of production. The 360 would also get more of the profit sold in the US then it would if sold over seas.
I would also say at the start of the gen the 360 had better)more exclusives and even third party games often ran better on the 360 which is all I cared about. I don't personally care who sold the most consoles.
I play on PlayStation but looking at these comments by some of these neanderthals .. I would hate us too.
I don't hate PlayStation or Xbox fans. I hate tribalism in general. But then again, that happens in pretty much any imagineable thing these days (us vs them mentality).
It's fine to like something a lot, but it doesn't mean you have to verbally stomp the other thing...
@@Chertograadvery mature. This is the theme I thought I could understand by FFXV when it was called Versus (the trailer alluded to a world of the “versus”). Friendly rivalry grows innovation - think Microsoft /Samsung & Apple - versus is healthy for development and innovation but I hate the name calling and hatred spewed over technology.
@Chertograad Tribalism is natural, it's even found throught out the animal kingdom.
The Bots are botting
@@Chertograadnah console war all the way. It's "Ronaldo Vs Messi" but stupider, and I'm here for all of it!
ppl arguing xbox vs ps in these comments need to get a job asap.
I got one. I got both. Xbox collecting dust. 😂
@@fenixa2z936 I can have it if ya ain't using it???
@@fenixa2z936I got a pc recently and it’s also been collecting dust
@@fenixa2z936same but its the ps5 sitting for me 😂 had it over a year and its seen maybe 50 hours of use.
Sir, I just finished my 12 hours shift. Let me argue for my favorite big company in peace.
I’ve never seen a DF comment section this cringe before
If it wasn't for the gaybox fanqueers. Gaming would be great again. Imagine another generation like the ps2.
@@HiN00bs12how old are you like 5. Ive owned both my whole life im sony fanboy but we do need competion in gaming, it makes both companies great. The real thing holding this generation back are the people still om ps4 and xbox one. They need too phase those systems out so we can have true next gen games
@@HiN00bs12 ?? go away
well you're here in the comment section so... that doesn't help matters much smh
@@HiN00bs12 Your comment just screams "I can't afford more than one console"
What compiler is super fast?
03:34 Best/worst voice crack I've ever witnessed.
Classic John. I'd say it was about a 7/10 by his standards
That was an unexpected micky mouse voice.
Eventually he will come of age.
I waited so patiently after reading this comment and it did not disappoint. I laughed so hard
oh my god that was unbelievable never heard a voice crack so extreme, he turned LGBT real quick
This console war is such a boring topic, and I'm still surprised that people who use to be in their late teens and 20s are now in their late 20s/30s are going to 40s and 30s now and they still talk about a pointless war between 2 plastic boxes
I’m surprised people in their 40s play Pokémon and Mario, but haven’t read an adult novel in more than a decade. I guess some people have different standards.
Then don't participate
@hdhdhhehe6709 no people who enjoy playing games as a whole rather than just participating to dumbass topics like are the same individuals who possess lives and they are very aware of topics like will drain them and waste their time. Even the top notch developers stated the console wars are stupid and they avoid mostly everyone who tries to provoke to partake in it.
Check out Gamefaqs message boards and you’ll see a surprising number of people in their 50s even still doing this. It’s incredibly sad.
It’s mostly Trolls starting conflict, and kids will always fall for it and get angry.
Sure it’s funny sometimes but, kids have an entirely different level of anger and frustration.
The lack of exclusives killed Xbox hardware's ability to sell like Nintendo and Sony. With 100% of all Xbox games being playable on PC (or xcloud on smartphones and weaker PCs), there's less reason than ever before to choose an Xbox as your console over a Playstation/Nintendo console
And now their porting the few good exclusives that they got to ps5, so I ain't got a clue at what they are thinking.
What does sales of a console have to do with with the actual performance of the actual hardware?
@@StarkZaku wrong question. The right question to ask is “what does the power of a console have to do with sales”. And the answer would be: not a whole lot. The PS4 is the only time “the more powerful” platform won the generation, and it wasn’t because of its power at all; it was because of the countless exclusives you couldn’t get on XB1. Xbox One’s exclusives from 2013 to 2016 were nowhere-near the system-selling behemoths that the PS4 was getting, and then Microsoft announced in 2016 that from thereon out, all Xbox games would also be on PC. It’s no wonder why Xbox’s revenue has stayed high but XB1/XBS console sales have been circling the drain.
@@TurboPikachu no its not the wrong question as i asked it based on your og comment, which has zero to do with the video in question. Instead of defending your og argument by answering my question, you twisted my question because of one of two things...
A. You had zero answers for it because your og comment was a typical fanboy comment.
B. Your answer didnt fit my question so you thought my question was wrong (it wasnt)
Lets try this again
What does sales of a console have to do with the actual performance of the actual hardware.
Because they choose to focus on overall gaming rather than just straight exclusives. I don't think they really care so much about the xbox as a hardware platform much since they've been moving to be more of publisher/cloud gaming platform and the hardware itself is just there as a accessible way to play those games. I can't blame them for backing off on the console because it's kind of a loss if you go even midrange custom hardware at the beginning of the generation.
I kind of agree with Linus over at LTT that Microsoft should go all in and just do a "other os" style and allow every xbox to essentially turn into a full fledged pc. The steam deck is showing that a game mode and a desktop mode is kind of a really nice way of handling things. Honestly what I thought was going to happen when the series designation was announced initially
I just find it interesting that everything Mark Cerny said in the Road to PS5 has served the system very well this generation so at this point I’m more curious about the next consoles to see how they’ll differ. If they truly do come out a year or so apart then there’s no telling what we’ll see.
Variable clockspeeds is better so devs can focus on your or cpu. Likewise having a dedicated GPU core for audio processing as well as dedicated chip for decompression and shader compilation takes load off the cpu
Um, you do know that the Series X also has dedicated silicon for audio and decompression, right? There are efficiencies in the design of the PS5, but the two you mentioned are not it. Also, the variable clock speed comment, that makes zero sense. With Series hardware you have clocks that don't waver, at all, you can focus your code with the knowledge that you are only getting 3.6 or 3.8Ghz on the CPU depending on if you use SMT or not.
Sony has Mark Cerny. That man is a genius
Yeah, I think he and his team have made a huge difference.
I would say yes he is smart but its a different approach
PS designed their console, apis to max out the PS5 and PS5 only needing to get specialized PC developers in to port their games years after release
Xboxt, they lose to PS5 which in most cases is negligible but they have designed their tools to be able to ship PC day and date with the console release for windows store/gamepass app and Steam
Which one is smarter, both are because both are targeting different goals. One is trying to maximize consoles only, the other is targeting a multiplatform approach
@@imo098765 it's the way mark designed the SSD with marvell technologies the ps5 has a slower CPU compared to the series X but the ps5 CPU has far less overheard compared to the series X because of the Titania 2 SSD controller leaving more CPU resources open for Devs to use them on things that actually need them whilst the SSD controller handles the more intensive stuff
@@imo098765 maximizing consoles hardware is always the right thing to do. PCs require less optimization. After all, as PC owners will often remind us their 7800x 3D cpus and 4090s are vastly superior.
@@majorasspain5341 The PS5 CPU is marginally slower in clock speed, like 3% when using SMT. The overhead for the Series hardware has been mitigated *IF* one uses the DS ability of the console. Effectively you are taking I/O overhead down to 1/10th of a CPU core, so IMO, when both are utilized correctly the overhead issues is moot.
Now that doesn't mean I think the SSD in the Series X is just as fast, we know it isn't, but I/O overhead should be a non-issue in a game designed to the strengths of both consoles. If that isn't happening, the yeah the PS5 would have an advantage.
"A rising tide lifts all ships" Mark Cerny - Road to PS5. He knows how to build a box that man.
Only if we can finally get those PS2 era of development time he mentioned. 😩😩😩
He knows how to lie. Just look at the blatant untruths he spouted about their wonderful audio system as an easy example, especially when he started claiming their fake superiority over atmos. Its a good system, but that 'road to ps5' thing was 50% lies designed to get the fanboys frothy. Look at the utterly lack of any noticeable difference that SSD resulted in compared to the xbox's slower one and how he claimed it would make games look better somehow...
@@zybchthen sue them. If they aren’t selling you the technology that they are supposed to then sue them. If i were you I’d get on it NOW. Your gonna be rich 😍
@@zybch I don't remember anything about saying it would make games look better. Only that fast travel was better and you could have faster transitions between areas. And also about being able to utilize the hardware better because you could load assets in certain environments as fast as you could turn around.
@@rockettbuggey5990He actually stated that the SSD would be capable of "instantaneous load times" and that if you "Blink, you'll miss it!!"....
Not exactly true, since most game loading times take at very least 6 seconds or more (over 20 seconds in some cases). Nothing on the PS5 loads in instantaneous or is quicker than the blink of a eye (~100 milliseconds).
Again, yet another lie!!
The fact is half the things that he said on stage at the PS5's reveal was either complete BS or was over exaggerating and over embellishing one of it's features.
I'm not even going to get onto his claims of the PS5's 8K capabilities or rather the lack of. As that has been covered far too much over the past few weeks.
I have a question.
Given the realism of facial mocap in the game L.A. Noire, why does the modern video game character still suffer from uncanny valley in terms of lip movement and expressions? With the rig on Metahumans being fairly pliable and mocap coming a long way since (not to mention cheaper), I would expect nothing short of similar quality. Even the Senua games, which are excellent examples, still trigger my lip reading and expression senses.
You want simple answer? They all have contracts with amd, nvidia, Intel... So they bump up requirements of video game even when they don't need it...
Games should be easy to develop with current tech but they take more time because they want to bleed investment money... 😅 We saw this with cyberpunk 2077 how investors were fed up and forced them to launch unfinished game...
For example, search for cyberpunk 2077 running on 4ram pc and you'll get videos of it doing 40fps at 720p medium... Same goes to all video games but they say you need minimum 6gb or 8gb which is complete joke..
I've said this, crysis 3 facial animation looks better than anything ubisoft does and crysis 3 was on ps3 and it did all the foliage, grass, forest groagics we see on current gen 11 years ago... 😂
What developers did you talk to? If the compiler is better, it would apply for all games, right?
3:34 John's squeaky voice made me laugh ngl. Great video!
😂
He’s king of the soy boi’s.
Eventually he will come of age I hope
A big thing here that was just briefly talked about is that PS5 is the lead development platform for most developers. The amount of testing and porting budgets the console versions get is often 60/40 or 70/30 to PS5 over Xbox, and then the Xbox part is also split into two for the Series X and S. The focus split is likely very often 60/25/15 between PS5/XSX/XSS.
This just boost everything else that DF talked about here. Xbox's shortcomings become larger and Xbox's perks become smaller.
Apart from split SKUs they also split the ram. They like to split things huh.
Thing is everything is on them MS. I mean from split SKUs to split ram to poorly manage their flagship titles. I don't see how they can win this race tbh.
The two SKUs though are a big (problem) one I guess. Game developers were against them since day zero. They also warned us since day-zero how Series S is gonna be a problem in game development but MS is continuing to feed their consumers the false narrative. So what you do is what you get I suppose.
@@mathburn1 I find it odd how people claim having multiple SKUs is bad, yet PC games have no issues dealing with literally countless SKUs. It's a skill issue, plain and simple
@@halofreak1990 It needs to be playable at a reasonable performance on console since graphics settings aren't there. Sometimes they need lower than low on consoles and console players can't do that.
Did you try Alan Wake 2 on PC? I have a Ryzen 3600 + RTX 2070super, roughly a PS5 or Series X in terms of performance and I can't even play the game in peace even if a DLSS performance - ultra performance turned on on a 1440p monitor.
This doesn't even take a cheap ass low Series S bandwidth into account. That thing is truly the source of the problem.
@@mathburn1you just explained exactly why its a dev issue and not a console issue. If a 3600/rtx 2070 super combo is struggling that hard to run this game, which a lot of games from these mid to AAA studios are doing the same thing, then its an issue on the devs part. Games just 4 years ago had an even range with consoles vs an 800 to 1000 dollar system. Nowadays even systems made with 1500 dollars in mind are struggling to hit the same specs as the consoles is wild. Definitely some foul play at work.
@@StarkZaku They're an artist in a way so they have their own vision to pursue. In a lot of cases their vision tends to push hw to the limit so I'm not denying that it's not a dev issue but it's also a HW issue too. If the HW can't keep up to their vision who's gonna be blamed? Developer or a HW? It's basically both.
It's not like a lazy dev narrative but they just see a PS5 and Series X as their primary platforms. It's a next gen of course they expect HW to be far different from last gen in terms of performance which we cannot say that to Series S. So that leads to this very issue.
They basically design their game around PS5 and Series X and somehow MS policy forces them to have a Series S version of the game that must be no different than Series X or they can't release their game to Xbox platform at all. The problem is Series S CPU and memory is a downgrade from Series X. The memory though is a huge downgrade in terms of capacity and bandwidth. I'm a sw dev myself and I can say that in terms of downscale a sw if it's something related to CPU and memory it's a big big issue that requires a lot of time and a lot of things to modify. So yes to many dev eyes they see Series S as a problem that drags the ease of development down and an obstacle to the vision they pursue.
Tyrone Carriere is the James Corden of CZcams gaming news
force every games to run on series s too is just making series x a "xbox series s pro" whatever power it might have it's gonna get holding back by their interior version.
Inferior specs? That's rich coming from the console that lags a frame behind when playing movies w/UHD 4K discs
Serious question, it does? I have a XSX and UHD discs have an audio lag to them I’ve never been able to resolve. Is that what you’re referring to?
Doesn’t have inferior specs , every game runs better on ps5 …fact , obviously the series x specs given are bs and people have been ripped off
@@Atum1c did you watch the video? it explains this, and not every game, some run better on Xbox like Alan wake 2.
PS5 doesn't even have proper VRR support because of the subpar HDMI port, but sure, bluray films no one cares about is the issue🤣
@@Atum1cplease don’t say objectively false claims and proclaim them as facts. It’s you look really foolish.
Spreading oneself so thin it's translucent
The best-selling console of each generation has never been the most powerful.
Well thats not true. The ps4 was loads more powerful than the Xbox
@@scottdove7358
If you don't count the Switch then yeah; but is the Switch during the same generation as the PS4?
@Dairunt1 I don't think I wouldn't consider the switch more successful until the ps4 was out of relevance. The switch didn't come out till 2017, and the ps4 was out in 2013. The wiii would be more in the same gen as the ps4 and Xbox 1x.
@Dairunt1 the switch is a strange console since it's in a generation of its own but the ps4, Xbox 1x and wii u all came out around the same time and the ps4 was widely more powerful and more successful than all of them.
Technically, the ps3 was considerably more powerful than the Xbox but wasn't really utilized appropriately because it was difficult to develop for and ended up being more successful than the Xbox
@@scottdove7358 The PS2 was the most powerful of its generation too. Maybe not on paper but it was able to out perform the OG Xbox for the few coders who knew what they were doing.
Oh you should’ve tried out the c64 vs zx spectrum era for graphical differentiation. A real princes and paupers era.
I play games on the Switch, PS5, and sometimes on PC. For me it's about comfort, I work at an office desk on a computer all day. When I get home and want to game, I like sitting in my recliner or on the couch. I'd prefer not to sit in my computer chair if i can. I'll play on PC if I can't play the game on console, like PalWorld for example. So it's a little bit about exclusives too. PlayStation tends to have the games I want, so I haven't invested in an Xbox yet. To me, all the PC bells and whistles are icing on the cake, not necessary. I mean many games on Switch runs at 30fps, so I don't mind other games that do.
Many casual gamers only want to chose/purchase one platform and a $500 console is the cheapest way to play the new AAA games .
That used to be like that in the past, but now you can easily use a PC on a TV and a gamepad, and you have Steam's Big Picture mode to simulate being a console. You also have Steam Deck as a portable alternative. Though still neither are 100% plug n play like consoles, they're getting closer.
@@Crashed131963you can build a pc for little more than 500 and play better.
@@LordXelionthey don't want to hear common sense. This whole "I have to sit in a chair to play pc" points are old.
@@Wyynter No you can't and most casual gamers do not build their own PCs
The Xbox Series has a content issue not a hardware spec issue. This video could've been summed up with Halo Infinite and Forza Motorsport (8). Microsoft botched those games so bad, it's as if they forgot that the Halo and Forza name is a big reason behind what moves consoles from store shelves to people's living room.
Halo was Game of the Year for Players’ Voice at the Game Awards. It was considered great until they couldn’t keep the live service going. Lots of people loved it but it couldn’t keep their attention. Except for the biggest games like Fortnite, GTA 5, etc, this happens to everything. Look at Helldivers and Palworld. Exclusive games mean way less than they used too. People rather keep their library and not switch platforms. It’s like asking an iPhone user to switch to Android when they’re happy with their phone. It just doesn’t happen.
@@seentursch Halo launched with game modes missing and a SP campaign that didn't impress a lot of people.
@@gothpunkboy89i really liked the campaign and doesnt play MP in general.
But you're right.
Halo 6 was just not enough while it felt that the ps4 had hits every week(of course that is an exageration, but it felt like it).
Its a bit like the wiiu times and nintendo.
Its not that nothing came out, but it was just not nearly enough.
Agreed. Xbox's problem isn't that games run slightly better on PS5, it's that PS5 has more appealing content. Xbox are trying to plug up their weakness by buying up the big players, but it's just making the fact that they need games stand out more. They need to figure out how to leverage their studio to create compelling experiences you can't get anywhere else.
@@seenturschit's a bad game. Halo's nostalgia is the reason it got any recognition in the first place.
If the rumors are true and the PS5 gets PS3 disc based backwards compatibility for exclusives the competitive gap would turn into a canyon. I would be absolutely thrilled if I could play PS3 exclusives from disc on PS5 with sharper visuals, 60fps+ and 1080p+ options. That's a MASSIVE system selling feature in my book.
big facts!
Dev mode is al you need boys 😂
Only problem there is I don’t trust Sony to have quality emulation. Microsoft, for the most part, put real money into the Xbox BC stuff for years. And then you look over at PS5 emulating PS2 and it’s just absolutely terrible
Didn't game devs had to implicate a feature that the Xbox came with to boosting performance etc. and devs didn't want to.
I went with the PS5 first, as I am a Playstation fan since the PS1.
Had my first experiences with an XBox on the XBox 360 at a friends house, that were great memories for me too.
But now that I got a XBox Series X beside my PS5 I must say, when it comes to the exclusives, Sony is definetly the winner, can't compare it with the current ones that Microsoft offers.
But still, Microsoft just does the better job with backwards compatibility, putting old games into your XBox and being able to play them on one single device is amazing.
Plus the ability to use Dev Mode on the XBox makes it an amazing emulation device too.
No need to wait until the console gets exploidable, to actually do this kinda stuff, and sacrificing online play capabilities.
It fits more my usecases of what I expect from a console, without needing a PC to do this.
In the end of the day, people should decide what they want from a console, and choose it dependend on what is more useful for them.
When you don't care about backwards compatibility, or emulation and are more focused on good exclusives, then get a Playstation.
Crossplay gave us more freedom for online play too, it doesn't matter most of the time where you play these days, or what console your friends are playing on, things have changed over the years.
I own both the PS5 and XBox Series X and agree that the Series X does the better job with the backwards compatibility for older games which look and play amazing.
@@thatsentertainment5602 Same for me, can't agree more with you. 👍
wich exclusives ? cause gow and ghost and horizon are ps4 games and also on pc
@@solinvictus77sony exclusives, every Xbox game is on pc and lower Xbox’s as well?
Yeah, just gonna ignore the comments for now
What games are running better on PS5 over XBSX? They seem to run the same to me.
All games
Err most are
@@MrNYCincthat’s a complete lie
3:35 voice breaks 😂
My guess is whatever platform gets more time spent on development ends up with the better quality game.
Nintendo Switch in the background with vastly inferior hardware: "Check out how many games I've got and how many units I've sold!"
It's almost like actual consumers don't spend their time counting pixel edges and individual frames. I love new tech, but we're way past the point of diminishing returns. Quality game design always trumps resolution and ray tracing.
@@codyfrance2537Nintendo loves people like you that are willing to fork over $60 for a 6 hour kids title.
@@brkbtjunkie
You mean adults? With kids ? Yep, biggest market to sell to.
If sales are projected to be better on platform A then engineering effort is put on to make it better on A. Simple as that. Technical reasons are secondary.
PS2 had inferior specs, ps3 had technically better specs but also worse at the same time, the PS5 has inferior specs yet every single generation PlayStation is outselling Xbox with ease without barely trying.
It’s not about specs, it’s about the quality of the product, Sony has simply made PlayStation a more popular household name than what Microsoft has done for Xbox.
That's why Microsoft made strong decision to go after all developers as possible to corner the market. Some call it cheating, but as a nintendoman it doesn't bother me one bit. Kinda loving the fight for sloppy second, while nintendo get it all!!!peace out
Its not even about quality of products its about the brand power from previous generations
If you looking at what the 1st party studios put out. Xbox has had far more variety and new releases but doesnt have that Ragnarok title that stands above everything
While PS has had Spiderman remaster, Last of us 1/2 remasters, Demon Souls remake, Death Stranding, Ghost of Tsushima update
Its Astros Playroom, Forbidden West, Spiderman Miles and 2, Ragnarok, Rift Apart, Returnal and now Helldivers 2. Stellar Blade
But Xbox had Gears Tactics, Hivebusters, Flight Sim, Age 4, Forza Horizon 5, HI-Fi Rush(RIP Tango), Deathloop, Starfield, Psychonauts 2, Ghostwire Tokyo, Hellblade 2, Pentiment, Grounded but also launched Halo Infinite as a failed live service but good enough normal game as the reviews still show to this day and the disaster of Redfail
Then also supporting the live service games such as ESO, State of Decay 2 updates, Sea of Thieves
Yeah its not the games because Xbox has had far more games that were good to very good. Just no Ragnarok, its really Sony paying to keep the games like Final Fantasy off other platforms that makes them attractive
But then again, the most played games on PS 2 of them are now an Xbox owned game with the other being EA sports titles and Fortnite
This is true however series X is definitely ms best console since the original.
@@laker2020 Their strategy is basically to become the biggest third party publisher in the industry, Xbox barely has any exclusives from Bethesda and they just ported Hifi rush over to the PS5, cod will still remain multiplat and future Nintendo consoles will also have cod just like the Wii. Phil Spencer also confirmed that they have a new wave of first party Xbox titles coming to other platforms.
Basically they are letting everyone do their thing but just under Microsoft’s umbrella.
That’s not entirely correct. Playstation had a 7 year head start over Xbox. And when Xbox launched, it focused only on developed nations because of its advanced graphics, online connectivity, and high price. PS2 had the advantage of established brand, cheaper price, and wider market penetration because it had already released in so many countries where internet was not a readily available commodity. That’s why PS is so popular in the majority of the world over Xbox. Xbox was just never present in 3rd world countries. Pair all that with nostalgia from all the people who had played PS1 and you have the reasons why PS was destined to be a leading brand.
I'm going to bed, gn guys
Sleep tight, bro.
I was gonna be a smart ass and say "who asked" but I'm not going to
@@Eddycut Who asked tho
@@razvandavid1510 🤡
It’s quite early but I’ll allow it
The performance difference between the two is very small. When the specs were revealed for the systems I knew there wasn’t much of a difference between the two. There’s literally a 18% increase in GPU performance going to the XSS. And developers would probably only be able to take advantage of 7% or so.
Small difference, minor wins, etc etc. No real reason to buy one console over the other for performance. That's the weird thing though, is that the PS5 manages to be the one with the slightly higher performance despite the XSX having the better GPU on paper
@@kieran.grant_ Agreed! And the reason the PS5 manages to outperform the XSS is because Sony focused on one system, made it straight forward to program, and did everything possible to make sure that it could be easily exploited.
Wait, I thought on consoles games already ship with all the shaders compiled?
if devs cared to optimize, but people like paying unfinished products regardless of how it plays.
I saw Alex wearing a Blackshark. Alex is that headset any good, and should I buy it?
He did a review of them a looong time ago....but they are great as I have them. Genuinely faultless except that the cable rubber has opened (without affecting sound) due to wear and tear
@@fenrir_szn6978 sir, for the hdmi cable?
It's a decent set. Sound is good but not outstanding. Build quality is so so, mine fell apart after 2 years. Imo you can do better, but it's not trash either
I believe the biggest reason is the Xbox uses virtual machines throughout the OS. The dashboard runs in a virtual machine. Every game runs in a virtual machine. All the apps run in a virtual machine. And there are 2 main reasons: 1) Microsoft does not want the system to ever be compromised and hacked (no modding scene on a Series console) and 2) by having everything run in a virtual machine, you have scenarios like being able to instantly jump from game to game. Game states are saved in the virtual machine. If you do a true restart of the machine and only run one game, you'll notice that the performance will be more consistent. I think this is because of memory leaks but moreso because resources are freed up more cleanly. the PS5 doesn't use virtual machines. It's more singular.
Exactly what I was thinking! Great observation!
Why waste time optimizing on a platform with only a small fraction of the player base? I mainly play on Xbox but I get why the system is not a priority for development.
Isn't the split 1/3 Xbox to 2/3 PS5?
Maybe I'm mistaken. If it is, that's not necessarily a small fraction, not in my book at least.
Well there's the Switch too, right.
@@tuc5987 Xbox makes up the smallest market share for games, including Switch and PC. That market share becomes minuscule when looking at markets outside of the United States. That being said, I enjoy the Series X the most out of all of the systems on the market.
@@tuc5987Split is about right but keep in mind that around 3/4 of Series sold are S and are being used as Game Pass machines (which means the owner owner is less likely to buy games on that platform)
That small fraction would be a Big fraction if they treated it more as a standalone product and got more competitive.
That's not the reason, it's mainly because of series s parity which also holds back series x on certain games
The specs arent really “inferior” the ps5 was designed to make it easier to optimize and develop for.
Sony no what dey doing shout out to my Play station fan we gone win all tha battle as game wars want it
The more fun question is, how is the Nintendo switch beating both of these two consoles?
I got a Switch too...but StellarBlade hit the Number One in the Jap GameCharts Top ten with less Consoles on the Market then the Switch...2023 Switch also just on the Third Place in selling Games in Gernerell...1.PC...2 PS5..3 Switch ..4 PS4..and 5 th X Box 😂 Maybe this Numbers happens just becouse my Sister buyed 3 diffrent Collors of Switch Consoles it means not she buys all Switch Games also 3 Times 😂?
legacy EXCLUSIVES. and the fact that it's aimed at a different/bigger market. xbox and ps has the same consumer target...not the switch. it has it's own lane. and also it depends on what your definition of "beating" means. cant compare 3 year old consoles to 7 year old consoles if you're referring to sales. last we checked, the ps5 is on target to beat ps2 numbers. which is very impressive.
Add to that that most of the third party titles now come out on everything there no fear of “can’t buy Nintendo or we will miss out on x game”.
I said months before launch that this would happen, still got the tweets. I saw several bottlenecks in the SX that can occasionally hold off the GPU, speed being a major one. The SX is very slow, takes forever to fill those 52 CUs IF u can fill em and keep em busy. Tflop/GPU grunt aint never the full story. The GPU aint even fast enough to keep up with what they CLAIMED the SX's SSD/storage architecture could do. The split memory occasionally holds off the GPU as well.
Part of the problem was people like Colteastwood and Dealer. They don't have any tech knowledge, but they made the Xbox Series X out to be so much better than the PS5, and really all they had to base this off was TFLOP numbers. People need to stop taking the word of corporate shills like them so seriously. Some of their tweets from before launch have been circulating recently, and it's honestly just laughable.
Have no clue why they went with bigger 52 cu's for the series devs have always preferred smaller and less cu's as it'such easier to optimize and get the most out of them
@@DribbleP yup and those 52 are VERY slow and slow to fill with useful work. The PS5 can hit its max way before the SX even gets to half of its max. PS5's pixel fill rate also dusts the SX's. Yall ever notice how slow traversal or just action/movement is in Xbox games in comparison to the speed of things in PS5 games? Xbox games still move at a dated, very video gamey speed n motion. I can go on n on
I remember my first beer.
pixel fill rate(better ps5) vs texel fill rate(better sX) depend by single engine.
Still loving my Series X in all honesty.
You should've bought a PS5 like a normal person
@@MichaelM28nah then I wouldn't have anyone to play with as all my friends still have ones!
@@KarlazuneCrossplay exists
@@KarlazuneYou need better friends
@@MichaelM28insulting someone's friends over a console preference is insane, go touch some grass
free BSD does wonders I guess, low overhead
Yep, nobody mention the OS but is still important
xbox uses windows bloat edition
When the Switch 2 comes out, do you think that 3rd party devs will focus on developing for that system as their minimum requirement making next gen consoles practically redundant for anything other than the handful of exclusives they will make during its lifetime?
I don't think some of the people who watch DF realise that the majority of consumers don't care about the specs of a console and don't buy one purely based on a few extra frames here and there or extra detail that you would only notice if you are sitting a few centimeters away from the screen and are comparing them side by side. I think the bigger issue is why people think specs are the be all and end all of why a system is "superior". It's great having analysis videos to see how a game works but most of the people buying games don't care as long as they have fun.
Sony having better engineering and Microsoft trying to compensate for this through brute force seems to be a bit of a trend.
Yup more power on paper isn't always the way
umm playstation 5 is overclock if im not mistaken
I definitely wouldn't call the ps5 better engineered, the boxes are basically equal. One is overclocked and the other added more units. Ps5s heat displacement is not as good as the Series'. So better engineered is a disingenuous statement
@@jdmz1103 exactly
@@jdmz1103 You may want to recheck the heat displacement statement buddy. The ps5 actually runs cooler than the series X even though the series X uses 20w less power
People don't care enough to put the effort in to make use of Xbox's "on paper better hardware" In fact I am certain some devs go out of thier way to make them as close as possible
Its the time needed to accommodate for Series S I bet
At the end of the day, as it was in every gen, devs will optimize for the lead platform 1st. Outside of console warring nobody cares about 5 pixels or a 1% fps advantage.
You should re test Elden Ring agains PS5/SX. I'm seeing like 10-15 higher FPS on SX now after updates.
People who were on forums talking to developers who had dev kits, and were making games telling people how easy it was to get your game engines and code running on PS5 had to do with how bare metal the API was. And how efficient in its design the compiler was. This was talked about years ago, but DF keeps coming off like they are just people who like talking about tech, without having any clue down to a metal concept of how the hardware works with software. And how design philosophy from Nintendo and Playstation differ from MS. MS use to do what Sony and Nintendo did, back in xb360/xb days. They had a very easy dx9 xmb that everyone loved using because of how easy the language was for it.
Sony learned from their mistakes from PS3, it has never been easier to make a game.
Mark Cerny did it again 🤌
Marketing and name recognition/brand loyalty works heavily in Sony's favor. Ps1 adds were way more than saturn adds both in frequency and variety, and it hurt Sega bad in the US. The PS2 beat the Dreamcast before the PS2 even came out. So many players had just made up their minds to back the PS2. It then DOMINATED the generation in spite of being technically inferior to the GameCube and xbox. Although several other factors play into PS5 success the sales techniques and loyalty built up over the last nearly 30 years has helped cement a very solid position in the industry.
Hey our clicks are down. Lets show how unbiased we really are!
stating facts is considered being biased?
during the xbox 360/ps3 era, i always thought that the console war was stupid and it would eventually die in the coming years. boy was i wrong, it's 2024 and fully grown men are still fighting for their plastic of choice lol.
But every Xbox fan on Facebook insists that Xbox is more powerful. How can this be? /s
On paper it is, it just aint being utilized. Same shit happened with the ps3 with the third party games favoring the 360 due to simplicity.
Unless I'm playing my console next to a TV connected to the competitors console I'm not going to be thinking about the differences. Im just going to continue enjoying the games I play
Enjoy the crashes in xbox series x. No one is talking about it but on ps5 ps4 ot never happens
@@Hi-levels Nobody talks about it, because it is not a widespread issue, other than your friend having it, again he should have RMA'd the console. Stop trying to make it out to be more than the usual issue consoles have. 🤷♂
@@Hi-levels my series X has never crashed. My series S has a few times however
IGN clipped it for their daily fix! lol
Honestly as a game dev Xbox is just slowly becoming a dead platform, it sells less than half of the console units than Playstation and a lot lot lot less than Nintendo (switch)
and most of the people who still buy Xbox, they buy it as cheap game pass machine, they have been trained by Microsoft to think they only need to pay for game pass and they can play a lot of games, no need to actually buy games...
Game sales in the Xbox store are terrible for anything outside of big blockbuster games like GTA, CoD, Fifa etc and thats why a lot of smaller devs either wont even consider porting to Xbox or they will just do it quickly with minimal effort, because its not worth spending months optimizing your game for Xbox when the potencial sales are very low and you can sell like 10x copies on PS4/PS5 or Switch or even on Steam (PC)
The only way smaller devs can make money on Xbox is if they partner with Microsoft and they pay money to put your game in game pass, but even those contracts dont really pay a lot unless your game is already sucessful on other platforms and MS is willing to cash out more to get it into game pass.
Oh and about the Xbox Series X, its minor power advantage is useless against the PS5, because about 80% of the Xbox sales are the Series S which is a lot less powerful.
That makes it so that only a very small group of people play on Series X and that cannot justify devs to spend extended amount of time to optimize for it.
What they actually need time for is making sure that the game can run on the Series S, because it has less memory and a lot weaker gpu.
All that for a company you don't care about. Smh. Even if what you say is true. You losing sleep and money? Xbox ain't going nowhere. Stop that dumb narrative. People been saying since 360.
@@slushbrain8495 Your name is very appropriate
But isn't that kind of optimization for a weak machine also going to help with getting the game onto the Switch then? Which would be financially mega beneficial, I'd assume.
I get your point about GamePass and how it's conditioned users though.
@@weplayvrgames ok vr gamer 👌 lol
@slushbrain8495 vr gamer sounds better than slushbrain tho😂
Both the ps5 and Xbox systems have their weaknesses and strengths. Xbox I believe has a lot of technology built in that still isn’t being used, especially with API, development teams are using what they know to support so many different system configurations. There’s no such thing as console dedicated versions of the games anymore.
Agreed.
I have always thought the PS5 was the more elegant/efficient design, while the Series X is more feature rich. I man, we have VRS Tier 2, Direct Storage, SFS, 4/8bit ML abilities, Mesh Shaders, etc. I'm not sure any one game uses all or a good subset of those features. SFS alone was supposed to make a huge difference, and if it really can, Microsoft should be evangelizing this and putting a tiger team together to help developers get the most out of the hardware. It is not like they can't afford to support such a team, Sony does it.
But both MSFT and SONY said they built their console as to what developers wanted so cut the BS EXCUSES LOL.
@@paullansville Ease up on your thrusters, nobody is putting forth any excuses. Read and comprehend, read... comprehend.
Play whats Fun, its a Hobby meant for fun.
more people relate to the ps brand. the same reason nike is still a head of adidas. ps carries a lot of nostalgia, specifically from the ps1 and ps2 era. not enough xbox were sold for the nostalgia factor to be as prominent as it is with playstation. i have fond memories of my og xbox and xbox live. so do tens of millions of others, not enough people felt the imapct of the og xbox but it was a game changer. i had a ps2 with, gta 3 and wwe smackdown just bring it i traded that in for an xbox once i saw my cousin playing halo. i remember running an ethernet chord down the hall to plug into the dsl router to kick some ass in nfl fever and halo. the playstation was great, but what made the ps2 great was the 3rd party exclusives all of which could have been on xbox a lot did make their way over and it played dvd's out of the box. people also forget how impactful that dvd player was, hell the reason i had a ps2 was cause i convinced my mom of the value a game console and dvd player has. a lot of people purchased the ps2 because of the dvd player aspect, they stayed for the games and just became fans by default, never needing to try anything else. i have great memories with my ps2 but i have even more with my xbox. i know the ps2 sold well, but most of my friends had an xbox. some did have ps2's but they were kind of the ghetto kids and didn't have ethernet anyway. i just counted 7 childhood friends who had an xbox and only 1 that had a ps2. which makes sense since xbox was pretty popular in america
make it a short, for all those crazy xbox fans
Competitive does not mean better
Ps5 and Xbox series x are both great consoles! I own both and the only thing that bothers me about Microsoft is the DRM. I only buy physical games and for this reason I'm more comfortable on Ps5 because I can play almost everything offline
Microsoft hasn't recovered from their anti consumer e3 disaster.
Don't Underestimate the Power of Playstation!
When it mattered Xbox lost the sales war. Now people are unlikely to change brands.
I just got a ps3 and started playing inFamous to see it’s working ok, totally sucked me in, it’s great. Will get back to it soon. Content is king.
I love my Series X but I use my PS5 more because it has better exclusives and that’s just the unfortunate reality of things
Huh interesting. I own both consoles (unboxings on my channel) and I think the UI on Xbox is much better also faster when your scrolling through Xbox Store vs. PSN Store.
I play most of my games on Xbox and play some Playstation exclusives (like Infamous First Light) on PS5 so yeah I like both consoles.
However the Series X is objectively better designed from a console design perspective (doesn't need a stand either way and PS5 slim horizontal feet are not really stable for example if you try to plug a cable in lol)
Also the comments down here abozut games lol :D The Xbox Showcase was certainly the best showcase since e3 2013.
And there actually many games now that run better on Xbox like Call Of Duty, Alan Wake 2, Robocop Rougue City
And many upcoming that look like they wouldn't be possible in such fidelity on PS5 ( Gears Of War E-Day and Perfect Dark)
So I think yes it's way easier to make games run faster on PS5 vs Series X but lol the X is way more powerful overall. Why do you think Sony is mimicking the Series X compute units (52) with the
PS5 Pro (60) and also the Cpu clock speeds ( SX 3.8 VS PS5 PRO 3.85 GHZ ) as well as the faster 10gigs of ram of the SX ( 560 GB/s vs Ps5 Pro 576 GB/s ).
So Sony knows that upcoming Unreal Engine 5 games are gonna run better on Xbox Series X and yes the PS5 Pro will run games better but isn'
t eery how similar the numbers are ? Allright hope Sony announces the damn thing already. I don't know what games I'm gonna play on it but I want it ! ( I would probably just play all the PLaystation games I've missed cause the PS5 is my first playstation)
However after the Xbox Showcase I definitely know that the Xbox is always gonna be my main console.
Both consoles are basically as power as each other. The biggest factor of fidelity and performance will be the virtualized technology that both consoles have. If Sonys geometry engine proves to be better than the Xbox mesh shaders than the ps5 will be the better console or vice versa.
People are to fixated on hardware power when the future of game rendering is with virtualized technology.
You raise a totally valid point about the shape of the consoles, especially with the PS5 slim (which majorly sucks). Having used both consoles though, I'm surprised to hear you prefer the Xbox UI so strongly. Maybe it's just a matter of which one I got more used to, but the Xbox UI drives me up the _wall_
@@kieran.grant_ I like the Xbox UI, feels better than the ps5 sometimes. And the ps5 looks cool, but I personally like more of a inconspicuously designed console because it makes the console more surprising from what it’s offering.
Ps5 pro doesn't exist and I hope it won't be announced. The Ps5 and the Xbox series X are excellent consoles that have not yet been exploited. Don't buy these useless Pro
@@maurocapitano frl.
Bots always keep saying they're optimized better on PS5 because it's the preferred platform lol so Xbox studios prefer PS5 😂
Yup! Xbot studios do prefer PS5😂
The truth is ps5 is better at some stuff and Xbox is better at some stuff. The compute units in ps5 are different than Xbox
The main people who are going to be disappointed are the 1 platform players or the players who don't really a life outside this dumbass trend and possess no real friends to play some good multiplayer games with. If you got a pc or xbox you are going to play gears E Day, Forza horizon 6, Fable reboot, Perfect Dark, etc. If you got a ps you are going to play Wolverine and Ghost 2, and for Nintendo metriod prime. I know not everyone can afford all or just don't have time for gaming, but don't waste your time on this pathetic that's been overly abused for a decade now.
nintedo > sony > xbox > mobile gaming
False, most PS users play a lot of multiplayer games, My group plays Helldivers, a lot of fighting games, Gran Turismo, Titanfall 2; FIFA ,CoD and Fortnite (I do not play the last three but they're the most popular among my cousins); on PC I play multiplayer games but with strategy like Civilization, Age of empires, Stellaris. PS and PC had the advantage of Multiplayer with single player games. Xbox has a good subscription, but most Xbox players don't Buy games.
The same CPU clocked slightly higher and a more powerful GPU is not enough to overcome the vastly faster overall throughput of the PS5. Better design is better design.
competition and innovation is good between the consoles. It can only benefit the consumer
I don’t understand why they are just circling around the answer to this question.
It’s XSS.
Had MS just done XSX physical and digital as Sony did with the PS5 digital and physical, I imagine we’d be having a much different conversation right now and the Xbox itself would be in a much different position too than it is now.
I remember everyone said the ps5 was 9 teraflops overclocked to 10 and the series x was a steady 12. None of it actually mattered.
What’s kinda funny about Elden Ring is that even though it runs faster on PS5, it is a better play experience on Xbox if you have a VRR display. The thing people don’t realize is the reason it does run faster on PS5 is because it uses the Bloodbourne engine which was created by From Software in collaboration with Sony so that engine is super optimized from the start for PS. There’s so many more things that effect one consoles performance over another than just what was said here and much of it can be boiled down to three things in most situations.
1. Game engine (example: most UE5 games run better in both resolution and frame rate on Xbox)
2. Lead development platform (console targeted titles usually are PS5 lead due to market lead)
3. Design decisions (some decisions will benefit one hardware vs the other)
With that being said, the fact that Xbox more times than not performs as well or better in 6 +/- times out of 10 even with those development disadvantages is actually quite amazing or the fact that we have yet to see a game fully utilizing Xbox VA. I don’t believe one game as of yet has used SFS but to their (and the developers) defense, a number of those features weren’t even available to developers until recently so I guess the jury is still out on that aspect. I would suspect we’ll see games over the next couple years that do use those features but I suspect it will mainly be from their 1st party only.
"Man this is going to get clipped by everyone" 🤣🤣🤣
just buy both, both are good
I did buy both, the Series X is practically useless. Stays untouched for months at a time.
@@Mcquiz95cope kid
@@fabiospfc Use a better response next time
@@GhoulSolo___ stupid comment, stupid answer
@@fabiospfc You don't know if he has a PC or not. Let's say he does have one, the Series X would be almost completely useless for him
let's be honest mark cerny said it at the start of the gen in his tech talk for the ps5 don't go on tflops or specs on paper but no one listend especially digital foundry who milked this power crap for ages just shows they are actually clueless as a tech channel to be honest they should off put this to bed ages ago
Frl. A lead game engine developer watched mark Cernys presentation and from what he said, this generation still has a lot more to offer, the ps5s geometry engine is a technology that removes the need for more gpu power because it allows for more control of LODs, so for example instead of rendering an entire building , the geometry engines only renders the parts of the buildings that are visible.
Very interesting talk on PS5 Vs Xbox performance differences
In summary it seems Mark Cerney just designed a well-balanced box that despite its lower compute power, it performs comparably, with negligible differences or in some instances it performs a bit better
By the time titles are making extensive use of Xbox extra compute power to give a more general advantage in favour of Xbox, PS5 Pro will be with us anyway
Just because the Xbox has more gpu power doesn’t mean it’s more capable… the ps5 has a geometry engine that removes the need for more gpu power allowing the ps5 to push past the 10tflops barrier.
Like just look at gta 6, the ps5s 10tflops would never be able to run those graphics without the geometry engine
Until Xbox has VR I won’t consider it. I bought a PS5 and PSVR2 for less than the price of a PCVR headset and less hassle in setting it up. I may buy a good PC down the track and either buy a PCVR headset or use the PSVR2 adapter if it’s less rubbish than it looks like it’s going to be. Playing Microsoft Flight Simulator on a PlayStation VR2 headset is something I didn’t think I’d do one day.
As so called tech experts they don't act like they know much. Efficiency is more important than power and anyone in technology knows this.
So Mark Cerny was right... He built a very efficient machine. More so than the Xbox Series X it would seem.
Watch the digital foundry Alan wake 2...
And it still has a lot more to offer
The short answer is because it’s a better console in every way that matters, controller is much better, games are much better, Xbox’s own games performing better on PS5, ease of use for features on the console, better audio quality, better accessories the list goes on
Sometimes this pixel counting gets ridiculous
cuz of the games dude, the games.
People will say games, but Fable, Elder Scrolls 6, Dishonored 3, Perfect Dark, State Of Decay 3, Indiana Jones, STALKER 2, any new Wolfenstein, Evil Within, Prey, Fallout, will all be on Xbox/PC. I understand "there are no games" during Xbox One/PS4, but not now.
Until those games come out and thats if they don't get canceled 😂. Xbox has no games right now. can you even still play 360 games since they closed the store?
@@phantombigboss8429 This year looks good for releases. Yes, you still can. 360 and OG games are even still on GamePass.
Listing games that haven't been released yet doesn't really mean much.
@@pixeljauntvr7774
Until you compare with PS5's releases as well. They both are kind of in a drought right now, until later this year.
Most of those games will come to PS5. Cope harder xbot