Mom Neglects “Secret” Babies who were Locked in Hidden Room FOR YEARS
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This is called reactive attachment disorder, or RAD (if they live). My mother worked for 45 years as a child’s psychologist, half the time in Florida (which is absolutely the worst place for social services), the other half in Washington. And she specialized in children just like this 👆🏻💔
The stories I have heard, and the children I have seen with my own two eyes literally give me nightmares to this day. The exact same things that you are talking about, I have seen more times than I can count. This, unfortunately, is NOT super rare.
And it usually leads to a disorder called RAD, or reactive attachment disorder.
My mother was a saint for what she did, getting paid almost no money, to the point where I take care of her now financially, because she has no recourse to retire.
What really makes me mad as this has been a very big issue in Florida (at least) I have witnessed firsthand, FOREVER! And we have leaders running around screaming about child welfare and equating it to the exposure to drag queens 🤦🏼♀️ while simultaneously cutting funds for social services, committing Medicaid fraud, and basically not giving a f**k about actual kids. They never did. They’re just using it as a manipulation tactic. Fear mongering to their idiotic base, who have NO real experience in the this field, GMAFB!
It just infuriates me.
An example of a pretty bad case I witnessed was a five and a seven-year-old who were locked in a closet, their entire lives, in a rundown efficiency apartment, while the mother and her boyfriend pimped them out to pedophiles 💔 They were in similar conditions. The mother received six months in jail and the boyfriend less time…. Let that sink in…
My mother was charged with removing them, counseling them, rehabilitating them, and then relocating them with follow up until they were both 18 years old. It was horrendous. And she did a great job ❤️🩹 And there were no drag queens involved! The call was ALWAYS coming from inside the house. It usually is!
These cases are not rare. If anybody ever wants to get involved and help out in real way, become a “guardian ad litem”, that’s what I did. You can help these kids directly and be an advocate for them.
@daniellekristy11 Thank you Danielle for always being so empathetic and covering cases like this and bringing awareness ❤
Mother allegedly said toddler ‘would have been the next Jeffrey Dahmer,’ made her eat off the floor because she is ‘free range’ and called the girl an ‘a--hole’ after she died. Her name is Cheyenne Hill please do a case about her.
You should look into the Hart family the ladies that adopted kids
I can't find the picture of the d34d dog. What do I search? I thought you said it would be easy. Been searching for like 15 min and I can't find the fking picture.
As someone who grew up with ppl living in poverty & whose parents were slobs, you can smell the neglect. The smell of the house sticks to the skin and clothes. I'm finding it hard to believe that no one had any indication that something was wrong in that house. I 100% believe the father knew.
I had a close friend who’s home was the same and you 100% can smell it. I still remember the smell mixed with perfume to try mask it. Too many kids are failed by adults around them! Xx
@@courtneypaul4346All of Florida Panhandle, Alabama, Mississippi, and Lousianna, pretty much fits this description.
So true. Also, I know the other kids are victims, but she seems old enough to know that her mother is not just babysitting. She was 13 right? She never opened the door when she heard them crying? Just seems weird. They were going to school and stuff. I’m not saying anything is her fault but it is just odd.
He absolutely knew.
I was thinking exactly this the entire time. Those kids would have smelled awful, it’s crazy to me that nobody at their school ever suspected anything? Never reported anything? That’s just as awful in my opinion
The most disgusting thing about this case is those cannabis plants probably saw more love and attention then those kids
Of course they did prob only because those plants had monetary value to him as opposed to him somehow not seeing his children as valuable which is truly sickening….
That’s so true. They absolutely got more attention and nutrients, than the pets and kids combined.
Can’t even grow any kind of plants in those conditions
Brings a new meaning to the word "dank" 🤢🤮
For real because that isn’t the easiest plant 😂😂😂😂
In a country where you can walk upto any hospital, police station or firehouse and safely abandoned your kids with no questions asked and no charges given, these degenerates had no excuse...she could have had every one of the kids and dropped them off alive and got on with her life. This was premeditated.
Right?! That's what I don't understand!!! How can you be so fucking evil?! HOW?!
I wouldn’t doubt that the guy who was extremely controlling and abusive also wanted to control what happened with the children. I don’t for a second believe he didn’t want more children. I think he just wanted to control what happened to her body.
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😂😂😂 YOU CAN NOT JUST ABANDON ANY AGED CHILD, WHO TOLD YOU THAT LIE⁉️You Cab Take A NEWBORN up to 30 days old in most states some states only days or weeks .. But you can put a child up for adoption at any age, it just won't be Anonymous. Please learn your laws 🤷🏽♀️😆🤣🤣
I am thoroughly convinced the older siblings were secretly taking care of the babies and that’s how they survived. Especially with having dead babies stashed in their closets? And it would also explain why the brother suddenly decided he needed to run home quick while everyone was away.
Yes the son was showing the babies to his friend, they knew.
100% agree. Possibly a plan between the older two. The sister got mom out of the house, the brother got his friend to make the call.
If they did organise this, they are legends 🤍
wait i missed the part with dead babies in the closet?? where is that
@@indigochild2023_ 52:46
For anyone confused on how Raymond didn't know, I have a theory: he did know.
He said he wanted no more kids, and when he found out she was expecting again, he simply told her to keep the baby out of his sight and raise it on her own.
This makes far more sense than believing an abusive, controlling partner who watched her every move like a hawk had no idea she carried a child to full-term.
She lied about Raymond not knowing to protect her abuser from legal consequences.
This sounds very accurate. He should’ve been charged as well.
Yes. Someone that abusive and controlling would be a prolific liar. To exist in a house full of rubbish and exrement surely proves a state of delusion.
Right?! 6 years and apparently he knew nothing yet the neighbours kid walks in and discovers them straight away
I agree, there's no way he didn't know. But he told her no more kids, kept forcing her to get pregnant, and then didn't care how she handled it. Crying upstairs? Didn't hear it. Doesn't exist.
Exactly! He knew! He didn’t allow her to have friends but she was babysitting 2 children for this mysterious “friend” he didn’t know! It doesn’t even make sense! He was 100% complicit and had her so brainwashed that she lied for him saying he didn’t know about the babies!
He knew. He ABSOLUTELY knew. By acting like he didn’t he’s obviously hoping to avoid any punishment. They should both burn. No excuse for this, EVER.
I think he did too. One pregnancy missed? Maybe. Two pregnancies and two BABIES? Absolutely not.
@@shark_kisses51535 pregnancies... there were 3 dead babies found as well
Yup, there's no way a functional adult with a job and stuff would not know. Absolutely no way. Also his crying is the most fake bull I've ever seen.
He definitely knew I think he really enjoyed watching her struggle trying to hide them and all the stress that came with it to him it was a sick game to see how long before she cracked
@@alice45-fgd-456drtbut maybe she’s the abusive one. Who is saying he’s abusive? Just the wife. I have to question that
The husband one hundred percent knew. No way he didn’t go in a bedroom in his own house for seven years.
My special needs son had a room mate at their residential school who had been found in a cupboard at 13 years old. He had been locked away his whole life. After 6 months or so he was a cheeky, talkative boy who had learnt to walk, talk, climb, run and laugh. He now has a full time job with lots of friends and his own flat. Yes it's amazing how the human spirit and soul can repair with love and care.
Mandatory sterilization for the BOTH of them! Absolutely despicable.
Agreed
I can't believe they survived prison without coming out sterilized, at the very least.
No, they need a death sentence. The world doesn’t need people like this.
No. Leave them to sit alone in a closet with feces and maggots, chained to a urine-soaked bed with no one to talk to for the rest of their lives. Then they can burn in hell.
I wish that was an option for them.
Also, Raymond separated her from all her friends...but was cool with her "babysitting" for a friend!? He absolutely knew about those kids.
Right, everything points to him being involved with the secret kids too.
My thoughts exactly
That's a very good point!
So true
A man like that would have demanded she turn over the "babysitting money", so it doesn't take a genius to figure out he knew perfectly well there was no babysitting and there was no payment. He knew.
I worked in a child welfare facility when I was in college in 2012 and saw a case like this except one of the kids had been kept in a dog crate. Her legs were extremely bowed because she had never been able to even stretch them out. She was about 3 or 4, I think and would just run around in circles because she had never been able to even do that. She was a very sweet girl despite everything she'd endured. I don't understand how anyone can treat children like this, let alone children they birthed themselves.
I saw a child in hospital who had been chained up under a house with animals for most of her life. She had indentations on her arm where the chain had cut in, it had never been moved as she grew. She was around 4 years old, drs think she had been chained there before she was a year old.
@@JCHK. Has she gotten therapy yet or? 🥺🙏🏽🙏🏽🫶🏾
Is there an update on the baby girl? 🥺
How are these children doing now ?
My friend (now 38) has an indent in her ankle from getting her leg wedged in the crib at the orphanage in Guatemala. she was left that way for so long she lost a large chunk of leg muscle.
The back of her head is also flat from not being rolled and she has eye problems from not having things to look at and stimulate her eye development.
She was adopted by an amazing woman and her husband. And now she's one of the funniest, most creative, adventurous people I've ever met.
As someone who has had 2 sitllbirths at 6mnths & an emergency cesarean at 6mnths only to have my baby live for a week & the only time I got to hold her was the 6hrs+ waiting for her to pass & saying my goodbyes, I'll never understand this BS. Ppl take the gift & responsibility of having children too lightly. Losing my kids nearly broke me & she was just willing to let her kids die.
I’m so sorry for your loss 😢
The older brother really is the hero because he took his friend into the house even though he was probably told not to. Gina and Lisa saved their own lives by crying that day. ♥️♥️♥️
I think he knew and did it on purpose.
@@LiLiLit I think so too! He saw a small window of opportunity and took it.
That’s what I thought too. That boy knew what he was doing, he’s beyond brave for that. I can’t imagine how they must’ve felt knowing that those babies were always crying and they weren’t allowed to even play with them. When I was their ages I loved playing with babies! This story breaks my heart on so many levels. That little boy is a hero for sure.
But they never made noises...
10 and 13 year-olds know things. between 10 and 13 is when most kids start to realize that different people have different lives and experiences, and that's when you start to be able to see your own life as not normal for the first time ever. He was definitely reaching out for help in the best way he could.
Praise the sons friend soul for doing the right thing and calling his mother that day. He saved those children lives. He’s a hero 🙏🏼
I’m so glad that he called his mom instead of getting scared of saying anything at all. He saved those kids!
This is why older men you LEAVE CHILDREN ALONE! Raymond should have been locked up for sleeping with a 16 year old as a 23 year old man. Erica knew better than to have those kids living in those conditions and to harm the other 3 newborns in the manner she did. Failures as people and as parents. Messed up thing is her parent probably are now raising the other children they told her not to have since she couldn’t afford or care for them.
The judge needs to evaluated and serve her own time for letting them walk free.. there’s no excuse for them to be living their lives at this moment. And what about the horrific thought of her possibly getting pregnant again? I was not prepared for this case. It’s just so heartbreaking.
She would’ve been pregnant for 45 months in total, there’s absolutely no way Raymond didn’t know about the pregnancies. The justice system truly failed these children.
And pregnancy only last 42 weeks
@@user-vx4fk1ol9e I find it hard to believe that a man as controlling as Raymond was didn’t see her carry 5 babies to term
He knew
Right ! I said the same . It’s doubtful he went a year without sex , he would see her belly . And since she never went anywhere how would she meet a women to baby sit ?
@@ambershoba I'm a firm believer in believing women so please know I don't put this out there lightly, but the source regarding Raymond's behavior comes almost exclusively from a forensic psychologist who was hired by Erika's defense team to get her off. The prosecution pushed back against this idea partly using the facebook page created by Erika for the woman she was supposedly baby sitting for. Similarly, it has been suggested he also had a limited IQ which may have helped him believe lies. None of that is a justification for ANYTHING, but it might add some potential context.
Little Lisa’s face in that photo 😭😭😭 hearing that she improved and ran up to someone smiling made me cry, I hope the universe rewards both babies and that Erica and Raymond get what they deserve!!!
Thanks for this comment my stomach dropped when it started and I wanted to know they were alive
So, coming to a close....
Hoping you all continue on the journey of taking the time to "spiritually" feed the innocent pure hearted child of your eternal soul. that's living within your materialized vessel.
I hope these seeds of living life fall upon good ground. being rooted and planted in the women that will actually repent turn around from the path that man have led them on.
In order to return back to your heavenly parents. followed with obeying the rules and regulations (exodus 20 laws of morality, decency, respect, order, justice and equality for all) apply them to your life. in order to receive everlasting life.
The Righteous are the light of the world. Therefore, there should be no where evil doer's (Darkness/Wickedness) should be able to hid there iniquities (Offences/Transgressions/Lawlessness).
I pray that you all have the spiritual discernment to see "Realities" of the End Times which were foretold in the scriptures.
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In order to hide who you really are and were created to be within this earthly kingdom of womankind & mankind.
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Remember, there are different levels to your awakening. also, don't judge a book by its cover.
Therefore, "don't let what you do not understand or what is hidden from you discourage you from the looking into it deeper."
Never judge a book by its cover.
Scripture says:
Study to show "yourselves" approved. A worker needing not to be ashamed. rightly dividing the word of truth. subscribe to their channels and reason with the spirit of The Most High El Elyons (Your Heavenly Parents/Ancient of Days/Holy Spirit of christ consciousness in masculine & feminine form).
The heavenly parents greatly desires to bring you out of the lying doctrines of man; into the "marvelous" light of the truth of who you really are in them.
Scripture also states: You'll be without any excuse when you're asked to give an account.
1st Timothy says to Study (Research/Get a deeper innerstand) to show "Yourself" approved.
Remember, "Everything is a test of your faith to increase your faith." In order to help you experience ascension from the darkness of man's lies in this matrix you've been trapped in to continuously experience the cycle of reincarnation. instead of entering the kingdom of heaven by way of the straight & narrow path that the messiah (christ the 2nd adam & redeemer/one of the greatest influencers ever to walk this earthly kingdom) taught his followers.
So....chose wisely.
Test the spirit of man taught lies by the spirit of truth that you'll find on these channels that i am recommending you.
What you don't understand at first; leave it as a pin📌 in your mind. pray for wisdom, knowledge and innerstanding of the holy spirit (righteous divine feminine royal heavenly mother).
Sooner or later the Holy Spirit will take you through different life situations that will lead you back to those channels where the holy spirit that utilize those different women's vessels will minister to the depths of your soul. they were my confirmation.
Time is running out for women.
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now...
I will end with first, "an apology in advance for any typos." my device is running slow. seems to happen only when i'm sharing the truth online.
Again, "it was a pleasure serving you all today and reading comments from your own individual perspectives."
i pray that none of you shall perish. due to lack of righteous godly counsel, wisdom, knowledge and inner-standing of the holy spirit of christ consciousness. which lives within the "righteous Divine Feminine Royal Heavenly Mother and Righteous Divine Masculine Royal Heavenly Father above in their 1st estate within the celestial kingdom. where they rule "equally" as our Heavenly Parents.
This "Daughter of Zion" sent amongst you from heaven (Jerusalem Above which is freely ruling along side of the Heavenly Father in a relationship dynamic of equality) love your "eternal souls" and refuse to give up on you.
There's no pit too deep that The Most High Heavenly Parents loving instructions, warning, wisdom, counsel and gospel (truth) can't reach....
The deep calleth to the deep.
The righteous divine spirit of the royal heavenly parents is deeper.
Coming to a close...
Serving you today is:
LDS (Latter Day Saint).
also, the initials of my g.n.
Known in and out of ministry as precious, hadassah and t t (third testament).
Which is christ consciousness of the holy spirit (also called ruach ha'kodesh which is feminine holy spirit in hebrew/righteous divine feminine royal heavenly mother of christ consciousness/motherly wisdom of proverbs 8/most high ancient of days).
Continue to search out all that's taught to you. especially, in regards to the doctrines in which the fallen sons of adam (sons of baal) has greatly tampered with.. continuously study to show yourselves" approved. becoming workers (students of life) needing not to be ashamed; rightly dividing the word of truth now. reasoning with the holy spirit while you're still amongst the living in this school of life. before the day comes when you must stand before the most high righteous divine royal heavenly parents and give an account for the life that you lived while here.
remember, scripture says, "you'll be without any excuse."
I'll now take my leave from you.
I must awakened the others. This is our duty to one another as Women (Womankind/Righteous Daughter of Zion the inheritance of our Righteous Divine Royal Feminine Heavenly Mother Wisdom of Proverbs 8) & Mankind.
Therefore, I'll now take my leave from you.
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The big brother and. Friend that tried to stop the babies crying were certainly the Heroes! Bless the boys with a wonderful life. Along with all the neglected children. Hopefully the babies will not be reminded of their terrible start in life. Thank you to the mom who dialed 911, I hope you recover from the shock. Hugs to all of you.
I've been listening to crime stories for 10 years now but when you said the 3 year old girl was rocking herself I started crying.
A truly heartbreaking memoir is, “A Child Called ‘It’” by Dave Pelzer, but still a book worth reading.
I remember reading that book as a teenager. It was absolutely heartbreaking what he went through. Definitely a book worth reading.
I will never feel bad about myself as a mother for having toys scattered and dishes in the sink again.
Me either
Wow 5hidden pregnancies
If you stop your housework to attend your child and play with them too, you are doing God’s work.
When my grandkids invite me to play, I play as directed by them and love every second of it.
yeah, this still made me obsessively clean today though. lol
i refuse to complain about my daughter! even when she wants to bake has me take everything out start then 1 minute later decides she no longer wants to bake! as a mom in our eyes our children do not cause harm! god this is heartbreaking im so glad im sane and extremely healthy minded! i love my life
The description of Raymond's abuse of Erica starting at 11 min in had me shaking because this is exactly what my abuzer did to me. The isolation, the financial control by not letting me work, me gaining 100lbs and alot of my teeth rotting out (due to frequent vomiting because of stress), nev3r wearing makeup anymore etc. And the verbal and physical abuse were so severe I almost lost my life. He managed to only serve 2 weeks in jail for the first attempt and 5 years probation. I finally took my kids and escaped to home (7 hours from where I was with him) on July 1st 2023 ❤
I sincerely hope you are going to stay safe and live a happy life from now on ❤🩹
God Bless you and your children Dear! I am so happy that you were able to escape because it takes a strong woman to do so!! Peace and love to all of you ❤😊
So proud of you for making the scariest but smartest decision of your life in leaving your abuser and taking your kids with you!! Anyone who has been in an abusive toxic relationship knows how hard it is to leave. You saved your children and yourself! Please stay safe with your family back home, and know you are a brave & great mother. You've got this!! 👍🏻🥰🙏🏼👍🏻
GOOD FOR YOU! STRONG LADY-I cannot even fathom 😢 Hugs to you and your kiddos 🫂 🩷🫂
i’m so proud of you.
I held it together for almost the entire story but my eyes started watering when you said the 3 year old started walking 2 weeks after entering foster care ❤
This is SO messed up! People who have sold drugs end up spending their whole lives in jail and these total pieces of shit are out free after treating their children like this?! Our justice system is so broken and it makes me wish I could move. This is one of the worst cases of neglect I’ve ever heard.
I don’t believe Raymond didn’t know about that first baby.
She said she was “babysitting for a friend”, BUT he banned her from seeing anyone. Friends and family. So how would he be okay with her agreeing to watch someone’s baby without his ok?!
Exactly! Plus, he’d have to buy diapers for them, right? Clothes? Blankets? I’m only up to the second baby, so maybe she didn’t give them these basic needs… 🥹
@@memorizeitwithmusic612 she doesn’t buy much diapers and no other baby things for them. But I still do not believe he didn’t know.
This is exactly what I thought 🤔
They were married. He didn’t see his wife naked during her pregnancies? And even through all of that - he was ok with the living conditions?
the fake account says a lot about this woman. a wig and glasses.
I’m a 52 yo male and I consider myself pretty hard because of seeing some of the worse people you can imagine, but this made me cry my eyes out. How absolutely horrible!! Bless their little hearts.
I can’t make myself watch the thing. The title is enough to make me cry
When she spoke of how the babies didn’t hold their arms out to be held… this shit is ridiculous that this monster is free right now… insane
That’s a good thing, for a man to cry.
Because you have a heart. Bless you
I find it weird when people upvote these comments. You could just write "How horrible. I feel terribly for those children." Adding your age and gender is like asking for a pat on the back for existing. It's childish attention-seeking behavior. Stop it.
Guessing you're actually about 13.
it's fine for men to have feelings. Seeing hardship doesn't mean you stop feeling. It can mean you disassociate, which is not healthy, nor is it masculine.
Interesting that they had diapers. He was the only money maker. She had no access to money, so... who was buying the diapers? He was !! I do not believe he had no idea about the babies 😕
Oh shit! You're right 😮 very interesting 🤔
34:13 I'm confused because this whole family HAS to smell terrible. How did no one smell them?!
As someone who grew up as family friends with severe animal horders, people probably noticed the smell but they didn’t say anything because we've been taught to not really comment on the way people smell unless it's a compliment.
I'm convinced that justice systems just do not care about kids.
Children, babies to teens are abused, neglected and sexualized and our justice system, IF the abuser is charged, gives out the most lenient sentences. You can literally receive more time for harming a dog!
There was an animal protection agency in place in this country before there was a child protection agency. when there was slavery here, Irish children were kept as slaves and were treated far worse than black slaves because they were cheaper to purchase 😥
Before you attack me for saying that, fact check me 😥
And the simple reason is that they can't vote and since democrats and the left are involved with the criminal justice system, the judges are liberal the courts are liberal the police unions are liberal and in general support Democrat candidates, and don't forget that this was in the Democrat communist stronghold of Massachusetts the home of one of the most corrupt Democrat families of all time, where one family member literally got away with murder, this crime family along with the Biden's are thick as thieves.
@@lisamatarazzo6467I was with U until U had to make it a race competition. There was no need to even bring up black slavery, U could've still stated your story and left that out. I digress, I hate when bad things happen to anyone or animal, and there needs to be lengthier sentences for those who harm ANY LIVING BEING/THING.
Everytime a pdf file ring gets dismantled there are ties to politicians, judges, mayors, top officials in police units and other influential people. None of those ever get looked at though. I guess knowing and communicating secretly with several pdf files is no reason for suspicion. Im convinced that you wont get promoted to those functions unless youre sketchy AF.
They honestly don’t. I’ve seen more people out and about that harmed their children than I should. It’s absolutely disgusting.
Monstrous, both of them. There is absolutely no way her husband was unaware of those babies. Hearing the state they were in brought me to tears. As a mom, it's unimaginable to me that a mother could do this.
No way that he didn't know. No way. Even if he's a complete idiot (and he obviously is), there's no way.
It truly is unimaginable & horrific 😢
If they kept popping out babies like this, they were REGULARLY having sex, probably during the pregnancies. There was no way he didn’t know she was pregnant all those times.
I was in jail with her,. She never talked to anyone, she definitely was mentality ill. She was totally out of it.
Yeah, she seems like she went through some shit with that husband of hers. They kept saying she was a smart lovely young lady, then she moved out with him and everything changed. Idk, I really feel like she was being abused. No excuse for what she did to those kids, but I do feel like she should have been sent to a medical facility and not prison.
Oh wow.
I’ve got friends struggling through hundreds of thousands of dollars in ivf and she’s over here just having babies willy nilly and putting them in boxes and bags and rooms to hide them away. Such a shame. I hope those poor kids come out of this all okay in a loving home 😭
My best friend went through three failed IVFs until one stuck. Just makes my blood boil.
Well said 👏🏾
If your wanting kids it should be because you wsnt to be a parebt to those kids not because you biologicslly want to be pregant or have kids that have your genetics. If thsts your friends reasoning for having kids she shouldnt.
Theres loads of kids needing adoption. If she wanted kids to rsise kids and be a grrqt mother and selfless mother she doesnt need ivf. If your having ivf to concive it is for yourself. Becsuse theres thiusand of kids needing parents.
@SarahBambi-xo6pm We wouldn't need to adopt if people weren't so idiotic and heartless. It's a sad reality.
That being said, IVF is a dream for some. If it fails, of course adoption stands. But adoption isn't just kids that come from thin air. They come from people like this. Children should never feel unloved and it breaks my heart kids are raised in foster care until they grow out of the system. It's a sad reality. So many people should not be able to have children. Period. Adoption shouldn't cost so much either. I agree with the process. These kids NEED good homes, but they aren't animals.
@@SarahBambi-xo6pm let's be real here. A lot of people in the world want to have their own biological children and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. So many people end up adopting children as a last option. Its rarely ever the first route people go when considering having kids. Just look up any couple that post their journey to adoption. It usually starts off with them trying to have their own biological children before they end up settling for adoption.
The husband 100% knew about all of the children and coached her on the "Michelle" story should things come to light. This in no way excuses what she did. I was in a relationship with a similarly abusive person many years ago but fortunately managed to get out after a couple of months. This is a heart-wrenching story and thank you Danielle for bringing these children's stories to light.
No disrespect, however I feel like he didn't know because he didn't WANT to know. It's easy to ignore things that you don't want to deal with.
@@TheMalchikjaethat's no way you don't hear the cries of a new born in a 3 bedroom home.
@@TheMalchikjae5 babies?? F-I-V-E BABIES HE DIDNT KNOW ABOUT???
I think he was the ringleader of all of this
I don't even want to know how brutally the older siblings where threatened to never talk about the babies. Because obvisiously it is impossible that there were children in the house for 3 years constantly and the other kids and the husband didn't know about them or believed the babysitter story. Poor children, all of them.
I’m a paramedic and I’ve smelled fresh and bodies in advanced decomp. It’s a smell you never forget. With all the bio waste in that house, the smell has got to be indescribable. I’m surprised no one had respiratory issues.
How did the mother not become septic birthing the babies in the filthy bathrooms?
Child neglect and abuse should be jailed for the same period as murder. This case was so horrifyingly upsetting. Danielle, i hope you take the time to mentally recover after researching this case. Thank you for bringing it to light.
Yes and forced sterilization - the only time forced sterilization should take place, but damn it, it should be a must worldwide. Can't look after a child? Proven? Well now ya can't have any.
It's not supposed to be about punishment...but rather, whether or not the person is a danger to society or not, and if they can be rehabilitated over time or not.
I have heard about this case before. It is so horrible. The fact that Raymond and Erica didn't get life in prison, or at least 25 years, is just sickening!
This is why Child abuse will continue to go on. Because the punishment for abuse of a child goes so lightly. The punishment never matches the crime.
Shame on the system and shame on those disgusting adults.
This is another example of how someone can portray a beautiful story on social media while living a complete lie in reality. God bless the children and animals.
I was adopted and I'm grateful my mother took advantage of one of the many legal ways to give up a baby you don't want. I'll never understand why women like this don't just hand them over, it's just so sad.
I am adopted as well. My birth mother was a 17 year old alcoholic. I am so grateful that she gave me up.
The fear of abandonment issues she had in childhood that dont seem to have been treated, would be a factor here. She was let down by a lot of people to become this mess.
Yeah when I hear of teen girls trying to kill or toss their babies in trash I cannot fathom it because they could just take them to a hospital or fire department. There’s no reason to do what they do.
You could ask the same to someone like Megan Huntsman.
I understand there are reasons for what they do, but there are so many other options than abusing or neglecting the children.
@@denisebacher5040I think it’s an evolutionary failsafe tbh. No one should be reproducing at that age, and definitely not raising the child
This was the most disturbing case covered on your channel. I cant believe Raymond didn't know, theres no way he couldn't know. The light sentences they were given are truly appalling. Those poor babies and animals.
AGREED, agreed, AGREED!
I agree. I'm not usually upset enough to comment, but this was just a gross miscarriage of justice. Absolutely insane that these two aren't behind bars for life. What the actual fuck. What if they have more children??? I just can't
i will never feel guilty about my house not being immaculately clean every day ever again.
I just researched and all kids are together and thriving.
💚 Rest in paradise to those 3 sweet Angels.
As someone who was raised in a hoarders home the house photos just hit very hard. I don't know why do people have children and live like this. I still can't wash away that feeling. Poor kids
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Autism and PTSD.
@@indigobunting2431 well I mean I have both + bpd but I still understand that having children in such conditions is no good 🥲
As a person with both autism and ptsd, No. this is neglect. Not mental distress. Hoarding is mental distress, but SEVERE CHILD NEGLECT? That is a CONSCIOUS DECISION. @@indigobunting2431
@indigobunting2431 then don't have kids if you're not able to cope with it...i get people (myself included) can have uncontrollable issues like that but at that point you need to wake up and realize children shouldn't be raised in those conditions
This is one of the worst cases of child neglect I've ever come across. My God, I'm so angry.
Can totally agree! It makes me even more mad about the sentences they were given!
I'm vomiting as I write
@@everdearamberaborges9232 I can relate
OMG this is a true horror story I listen to true crime all the time this is one of the worst. Thank you for your hard work
If this is the worst case of neglect you have heard look up the Turpin case, they did this and more to 13 of their own children. After the children were placed into foster care the abuse didn’t stop there! This case was in Southern California.
This case sickens me to my core. I cannot believe that anyone could treat a baby like that and be able to live with themselves. Truly angers me and breaks my heart.
the maggotts in the ears is what did it for me. i love to watch true crime and never heard that ever!
Something that really frustrated me about this case was that in the US, we have "safe haven LAWS". These protect people who don't want to keep their newborns. SOME hospitals and some fire stations have literal boxes and cribs that you can drop a baby off and WALK AWAY. No questions. These babies didn't need to spend any time in her house. she chose to keep them and put effort into a facade instead of a quick goggle search of "I'm pregnant and don't want my baby " to figure out what to do. She definitely deserved much more time in prison.
Edit to add: from LAW - SOME. the laws differ from state to state about the timing of when you relinquish your baby. they are ultimately meant to protect the ppl who don't want to keep their babies. This lady spent time making up catfish FB accounts and posting as them to keep up a facade of babysitting. she had plenty of time to make a plan for any pregnancy she could have had.
That's what gets me too. There are plenty of options for pregnant women who don't want to have kids, abortion, adoption, drop them off somewhere, literally ask anyone for help, but she chose to make the effort of hiding four extra pregnancies, and then hide two kids away in her house, keep them alive for YEARS in awful conditions. Like that's money and time and effort spent. She chose to abuse them and nothing can excuse that.
@@alice45-fgd-456drtgee it’s almost like you have less options when you live with your abuser
@@Creepystalker102it's no excuse on what she did
@@Creepystalker102 Her being abused is a reason, not an excuse. That means that her actions directly stemmed from being abused, but she shouldn't and can't use that as a way of getting out of punishment. Being in such a toxic relationship is several thousands steps of perfectly messing up a person's mind. Even still, she made the choice to abuse others instead of trying to find a way to not just secretly give birth, but to secretly give those children to someone who wanted them and could provide for them. Unless someone is so out of touch with reality that they are in such a fragmented, psychotic mindset 24/7, mental illness is never an excuse to get away with hurting others. This is literally the same thing. No matter what she suffered, she is still at fault for her actions. Like I said, what she faced is the reason she did what she did, but it will never be an excuse.
@@Creepystalker102More of a reason to get away.
As a woman who has been trying for a baby for over 2 years & is now on treatmant in the hospital, cases like these hit so hard 😭 These poor babies, so innocent...
Don't ever give up hope, and don't try so hard. It puts you under more stress and makes it harder for nature to take its course. If it's meant to happen, it will. I waited 9 years for my first baby and then had to wait 14 more for my second. Just relax and trust in nature, and never give up hope. Best wishes to you! 🙃
Take care of yourself. Sending lots of hope and good wishes to you in your journey.
I feel you and wish you strength. I had one miscarriage, one ectopic pregnancy and now we're trying unsuccessfully for 2 and a half years. I still fight to maybe have a biological baby on this world, also want to adopt one. But this strong feeling of injustice and jealousy that monsters like this can have babies just like that... when I and my husband spent so much time to prepare ourselves financially, emotionally to become parents only to go through so many disappointments..
I am right there with you. These people get to just have whatever babies they want but we have to go through years of nothing? Gross.
I wish you love and luck in this journey. I truly hope God blesses you with the children that you want and deserve.🙏🏻❤️🩹🕊️✨
Sadly, sometimes, after the abuse, they’ve already been through which is horrific they’re been placed in foster homes where they’re further abused often time sexually abused, and their life just becomes a new horror story like in the Lupin case with the nine children, some of them were finally taken out of that home only to be put in foster care to be sexually abused. The whole system just makes me sick.
i was in a foster care group home for older kids with behavioral issues and sadly alot of them were kids taken from their biological parents at a younger age and then abused in foster homes.
I know someone who hid 4.. yeah you heard that right! 4 freakin pregnancies so she could continue to smoke and drink while she was pregnant. So disturbing
The end bit with the little girl running to the worker who helped her brought tears to my eyes. I am so glad that they were saved, what a monster who did this to them.
God bless all those children!!! ❤❤❤❤
I had that same reaction when I was watching it this morning getting ready for work. I was good til I heard Danielle say how little "Lisa" was doing, and then the waterworks just started. My heart just goes out for all these kids...especially her...she lived like that for YEARS! (I had just finished my eyeliner too ugh!)
I understand why it hit you so hard that the little girls didn’t have names. We try to extract some sort of normality even in the most deplorable of situations but when something as basic as a name is denied for children, it bothers us to our core because it’s against all of our instincts as caring, loving human beings when there is not even the tiniest bit of light to take from the situation.
For Lisa and Gina, I hope they have been adored and loved from the day they were rescued and continue to be until the day they leave this world because they deserve every bit of love and care this world can offer ❤️
Yes 🙏🙏🙏 very well said, I hope the same for both girls ❤❤
Danielle’s compassion is the only way to watch these stories. This one was so horrific.
You put my thoughts to words more eloquently than I could have imagined in this horrible, horrible case. I even name my cars for heavens sake 😢
Obviously reality would set in if she named them, this person was abused and mentally fucking I'll, it's a mental illness in and of itself that some of you are acting like she's just this giddy monster, pleased to have birthed new beings to torture, like y'all have your own coping mechanisms as well: demonization.
Couldn't have said it better myself 👏👏
My family, before I was born, had to step in and remove an infant from a home like this. My grandmother still tears up when talking about how her bones would crack and she’s scream through PT but that they HAD to move her arms and legs around daily to rebuild her muscle tone. That baby-is now a wonderful woman and a phenomenal mother. I can’t imagine what drives someone to do this to some of the most helpless beings in the world. I just keep holding my belly and thinking “How?” I’m only 11 weeks, and I already feel such overwhelming love for my child. How can you hurt your own babies?!
Didnt know I was going to cry today, but here we are. Ugh this just breaks my heart. I hope the children can recover and find some goodness in this life. Damn man. So freaking sad.
This is giving serious Flowers in the Attic vibes.
That was my first thought too!
Except it's about a thousand times worse than flowers in the attic :/
It really breaks my heart how she was not okay with getting an abortion but she was 100% okay with treating these tiny humans this way? I hope both of them are able to get near kids every again, not their own, not their family or even animals.
@@LadyLeda2
A woman who was kept in captivity for years by her father, who was impregnated by him, had his children while in captivity and raised them lovingly like any other mother should. Erika has no excuse here.
So what's your idea? Better off dead??
@wednesday6127 Abused children or for the children to have never existed. Take your pick. Also yes I'd much rather be dead than be in this situation.
@@ChloeEIizabethPrice there are two souls who lived and are now with other families.
You may someday find yourself in circumstances where you might get your wish I guess
@@wednesday6127 What wish?
They are out of prison?! How is that even possible? This is so sad. I hope those children can start to heal and eventually have happiness in their lives. Good to hear Lisa is doing better and I am also glad that Nicholas's friend called his mom back then.
There is absolutely no way they could’ve been intimate during her pregnancy and Raymond didn’t know. Absolutely no way. I have 3 children and it is absolutely impossible to be full term and even cuddle without it being blatantly obvious. My fiancés hand when snuggling would be being bounced around by the kicking baby. No way he didn’t know, I absolutely do not buy it at all.
I mean, I agree, but not all babies kick during pregnancy where you can feel it from the outside. I remember being worried something was wrong with my daughter because she never kicked but she's super healthy and smart.
Hearing that Lisa's condition had improved so much that she ran up to the healthcare worker with a smile really got to me, it really does only take patience and kindness to help others get on the road to improvement, and it made a world of difference for this child who had such an unforgivable start in life. God bless.
This is infuriating.. since I’ve read the book “what happened to you” I’ve learned how CRUCIAL those first 3 months are in a child’s life.. Lisa rocking back and forth to sooth herself is simply soul crushing. Cases like this make me wish we could still stone people. 😢
Heck you can, you just have to have the biggest army is all!!!! Anything is possible then! Who knew it was so simple ay😈
A part of me wishes that the public could get their hands on child abusers, but I also wouldn't really trust anyone who could aid in that kind of punishment, lol. It's a scary and slippery slope, so perhaps it's a good thing that the public doesn't get involved with handing out the punishments. I'm 100% for prevention, though. If anyone has committed a crime that stole another person's rights (for example, the main three, unalienable rights we talk about constantly in the US: Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness), they get their own rights taken away. If it prevents more abuse towards children, forcibly sterilize the offenders. That's a super slippery slope, though, and should only ever be used in extreme cases that are explicitly, clearly outlined in law for what would constitute a forced sterilization.
These kind of people really will bring out the worst in you.
As much as I hate even hearing that people get physically or mentally harmed, I am surprised by myself for wishing the worst horror to happen to these monsters.
Anyone who enjoys the idea of stoning 🪨 another person should ALSO be scanned for signs of mental illness. What is erong with you?!
@@GoldenPeachesWhile I agree that we as a whole should be focused on prevention, forced sterilization is barbaric and had been used in the past to limit the reproductive rights of even completely innocent people as a means of control from the government.
We should NOT be endorcing it as a method of punishment!
I agree with prison, and even then we need prision reform!
This should have never even happened in the first place, so why don't we try to show the mother some empathy? 💜
Why are there so many people bashing this lovely lady putting on make up, and how much she puts on... its her channel its up to her what she does.. i mean i could sit at home talk abiut some really depressing stuff and still do whatever.. you dont need to watch just listen to her.
even if raymond didn’t know about those babies… he’s still guilty of child neglect. no home should be in that state.. especially one with children
I actually grew up with Erika. I can honestly say that the problems with her began about 8th grade. I’m both thrilled and horrified that Danielle covered a case so close to home.
I am friends with people who knew them. As soon as the video started I was like, "oh my goodness a local story....oh no...a local story." This case makes my skin crawl. My friends that knew them ended up with PTSD from finding out about what the house had hidden upstairs.
Just a side note: my friends never went in the house as far as I know. They are great people and I am sure would have been the first ones to report an abusive situation like that if they even had a remote idea it was happening.
Wait, did you go to NHS? she was in my graduating class.
@@laurajoubert4874lol are you related to the restaurant jouberts? I went to school with them, & used to go there all the time with my parents after church.
Thanks for speaking up. I knew there was no way that she had “a normal healthy childhood” and didn’t show symptoms of mental health issues. If her IQ was so low, how did she get good grades and graduate? So I appreciate what you’re saying…signs in 8th grade.
@@kaycep6819she could still have a normal childhood and ended up with mental health issues. Also I don't think she has a low intelligence, more like she was easy to manipulate and wasn't able to predict consequences of her actions. Maybe she had an accident ( like a head injury) as a kid, that didn't seem serious but actually resulted in some sort of a brain damage, who knows. Or maybe she still has some other underlying mental problem that haven't been diagnosed yet. Personally I would say she's delusional and that there's something wrong with how her brain works.
I’ve never heard of this case before!!! You did a great job covering it! But I also agree, there is absolutely NO WAY that man didn’t know he had a baby & a 3 year old living in their home!!!!!! The judge was way to lenient on them as well, they should’ve gotten triple their sentences 🤬
At LEAST triple 🤬 Grrrrr!
I will never understand how child abusers get so little time but drug dealers get life. Drugs are bad but a human life should be valued more, children who endure torture should get justice!
As an older sibling, I can’t believe this. Congrats to the 13 y.o. brother for finding those kids. I would gladly take Gina and Lisa under my wing. I have two twin brothers who are gonna be 2 in January, I can’t imagine what it would be like to have my brothers in those conditions. RIP to the other babies that died in those closets, I wish they weren’t in these conditions. I hope the “parents” of this “family” get the worst treatment in hell.
I’m a retired Child Protective Services Social Worker in California. Most of the homes I entered on a charge of neglect looked like that. One home had a pile of feces in the toilet that overflowed and the parents used a large lawn rake to clean up the garbage all over the floor. I could go on and on, but I’ll leave it at that. Yes, the children were removed
Tbh when I read this I wonder who th would fix that kind of problem in that manner? But then I think “your house looks like this. You know it’s against the law to have kids around this. So inviting a plumber over to your home to fix the toilet is out of the question.”
@@k.z11 😂🤣
I’m glad those children were removed. As someone who was on the receiving end of so many bogus unfounded CPS report, it makes me feel good to know that the system sometimes works to get children out of hellish situations. I literally had a Busy Body call CPS because my daughter had bad eczema. I don’t know whether to be angry or happy that CPS came out even after I had UCSF verify. She was a current patient and made me take her to the ER. And then I hear stories like this. Absolutely disgusting. if those parents had been blind, you bet your ass they would’ve been removed immediately
@@eileen623 I can relate, I also had a child with severe eczema. Sometimes it was under control, sometimes not. It can be hard, as a worker, to figure out the difference between verifiable medical conditions (such as brittle bone disease) and just plain neglect/abuse. Sorry that was your experience. FYI, I also live in Northern California
@@k.z11some people are overwhelmed and to poor to fix things. Depression also is a huge factor. Cps is the devil in my opinion. They take kids who aren’t neglected but their parents are just poor and put them in foster care with pedo monsters and leave kids in homes that need to be removed
I lived a block away when this happened. It was horrific. I used to walk by this house daily when I went out exercising and it always gave me the creeps and smelled from the outside.
When they knocked it down, we were told to keep our windows shut to keep our exposure to the filth and toxins it would kick up to a low. Very sad case. It was a media circus for a long time too.
I remember this being on the news at the time. And I live in SCOTLAND! It was so shocking. 😮
As someone who grew up in a hoarder house but with a mom who actually loved her children houses can sadly get that way over time. My mom has mental health issues. Untreated she has no motivation to clean or keep a tidy house. We were taken as children away from her and like I said my mom loved us. She worked her ass off and got the treatment she so desperately needed and to this day she’s one of my best friends. These parents didn’t care about their children so it’s different. But when you ask how a house gets that bad a lot of the time it’s from untreated mental health problems.
I also wanted to thank you for how much tact you display in your videos. I understand you're discussing violent crimes as well as doing make up & some people frown on that...but you always show compassion & never make light of these situations. Unlike some creators I used to enjoy *ahem* bailey sarian. Thank you, Danielle. We appreciate you giving a voice to the voiceless with such grace. ❤
We live a mile from where this happened, there were cops everywhere, road was blocked, helicopters etc. Probably ran into them a few times. The neighbors tried to help the kids they knew about, but it was such a shock when the truth came out. It’s an empty lot now, but every time I drive by I think of those poor babies 😢
I’m so glad they demolished that house… My heart is shattered for those kids and the dog 💔I will never understand
That must feel absolutely horrible being so close. Makes me ill knowing they’re both free. Pray those children never know their real parents. Thanks for sharing.
Its scary to think that noone really knows who their neighbors are. They could seem normal on the outside but living like this family on the inside. Thank god the boys went into the house that day & called the neighbor who was watching Nicholas to help & saved these children from even one more minute of abuse and neglect.
Is there a place where you can drop off unwanted babies? A hospital or fire department? They have them where I live..?
@@Jessica-jf9pb yes, the police station is literally one house over from the house (empty lot now) and I believe most fire stations are safe havens. There was absolutely no reason for her to do these things.
I just had my first baby 5 weeks ago and let me tell you this case hit me so hard. I just can't comprehend the cruelty to those babies and animals 😢
Congratulations 🎉🎈🍾
Congratulations! 🎊 I wish you all the best! Stay sweet and safe. 🙃
Congrats I just had my 5th baby 7 weeks ago!!
Congratulations ❤
@As-fk1rb I just had my 2nd 7weeks ago Aug 11th ❤
Oh please. Raymonds crying sounds like when i told my 5 year old they couldnt have a cookie and then they are caught with a cookie.
There are no words strong enough to express how I feel about this. The only solace is that the surviving children are hopefully thriving. I hope the severity of this catches up to both “parents”.
This case made me want to scrub my (relatively clean) house, bathe my (clean, healthy) children and given them a snack, then take my dogs for a long walk. My God. This is just completely unbelievable. Those 2 older children couldn't have been unscathed either, growing up like this. I hope all 4 kids are able to grow up in clean, happy homes where they are fed and cared for. Both of these "parents" should be give the death penalty. Thankfully no one died here, but this is just so horrific that I believe it is warranted.
EDIT: I wrote the above before that last twist. Jesus Christ. I have no words. Those poor babies, and the older children having to realize they slept feet away from the remains of their deceased siblings. I just... wow.
I walked up to my 4 year old and put my hands out to him and he reached up and gave me a big old hug and kiss. I couldnt imagine!
At least 2 did - idk if you watched the whole video (it IS long!). Hold onto your hat! (and heart)!💜
3 were dead 😢😢😢
PARDON?! I’m like half way with this video, idk if I can continue now. Omg. Nope. Nope nope nope. Yeah, I’m gonna go take like 8 showers now.
No one died, but then you mentioned the deceased siblings?
Wow! I am just at loss for words. How the heck does a human treat their children in this way and live in those conditions? The judge should be ashamed of herself for letting these "parents" off so easily. Amazing story, Danielle! Well presented.
Absolutely! Was the judge truly brainless or evil himself?!
Judges don’t care about kids or animals….they don’t vote!
I’m in the US and when a house has property across state lines your residence is in the state your mailbox is located.
I think he knew for the hidden baby, but knowing she is "guilty" she was just furthermore in his control.
The neighbours must have been so haunted by this, the boys saved the children’s lives knowing there was something terribly wrong with the crying and screaming. Bless all those who found and acted upon this terribly heartbreaking story.
i live in the town and no one talk about this unfortunately
My grandma took care of foster children.
One she took care of was a girl that they thought was 3,but she only weighed 12 lbs.
A neighbor heard a sound from the house next door.
Which she knew had no children.
The neighbor called the police.
The little girl had never been out of a crib and only had bottles.
She was so sweet and learned so fast. Grandma named her Pacie.
How sad! Its unbelievable some of the horrors that go on! Thank God for Foster parents!
Oh my Lord! That breaks my heart. My son was over 11 pounds when he was born.
Your grandma is an angel. 🥺
fostering aka child trafficking
@@gypsy_galluswhat's your deal?
I was 16 and got a job at a fast food store & my boss kept saying really crude stuff to me & I finally told my mom about it and she marched up there and tore him a new one. He was transferred out of that store. He was married fat & very disgusting. My mom was my hero.
I hope he was divorced.
No one cares
What does that have to do with anything
Umm why does it matter that he’s fat?
I’ve never heard of this case. This is so upsetting. Thank you for taking the time to tell the story of the victims
i havent either..
how does this happen these days!?
She is still active on facebook
@@The_Cholo omg seriously!? now i gotta see this
Me neither, and I'm from the area!
Her story telling is so respectful. She approaches this cases with so much sensitivity and that's what makes her a great CZcamsr. Keep up the good work. 💓
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She also gives fair warning for extreme violence.
@@dmr2376 she is awesome! Just recently came across her channel. ❤
I had a friend who had two young boys (both under 4), we had never gone to their house since they moved 3 years prior. A couple month ago, I was asked to help them clean their place, I expected a light tidy, no, their place looked just like this. When I got there, the youngest boy was naked in his filthy play pin covered in his feces. About 2 weeks later, CPS took custody of the boys on other claims and incidents, thankfully. When asked about why their boys were taken, they play it off, saying their place was a 'bit' messy. I hope they can figure their shit out and make a stable home for their boys.
This scares me, surely it's not easy to let things get this bad?? I am mentally ill and it freaks me out that I will be a bad parent in the future, but I don't understand how this stuff happens. I support other people with mental illness and disabilities for my job so I guess I can handle looking after people, but the fact people let these things happen is so scary to me. How do you do that??
It all sounded like a schizophrenic dream.
I partially expected babies remains to be found in those piles of rubbish, but when you said they were found I was stunned
I knew a girl that hid a pregnancy too. She’d been out to a party with us the weekend before she gave birth! Not a hint of pregnancy. Her Mom came home to find her giving birth in their bathroom. Fast forward over 10 years later, she gave birth to a male baby and wrapped him in a blanket, put him in a box in her laundry room, and left! Days later her roommate found the deceased baby boy and phoned the police. Her name is Katie Peckham. It happened in London Ontario Canada. She barely got a slap on the wrist by our system 🤬 I wish Danielle Kirsty would do a story on this case. I swear people around here just act like it never happened 😭🤬 IMO, if her mother didn’t catch her giving birth to her daughter when we were in high school, I’m certain her daughter would have suffered the same fate her son did 😭
Omg...I was born there and left when I was 5. That's horrifying!
The thing I don't understand at all is there are ways to legally abandon an unwanted infant. I live in Edmonton and we have two hospitals with an angel cradle where people can leave newborns. They are a bit controversial because anonymous abandonment undermines a child's right to know where they came from and have access to their medical history and the like. And then the other way to legally abandon a child is just taking it into a hospital, although that cannot be anonymous. I'm just baffled by how someone in Canada who knew she was pregnant could get to the point of taking the measures you describe. I mean, we don't even have any legal restrictions on abortion(the only restriction being the Canadian Medical Association's "strong recommendation" that they not be performed after 20 weeks unless absolutely necessary due to the risk involved). Mind blowing that one would resort to committing a serious crime instead of exploring the myriad of free and legal alternatives. 🤨
Did she suffer mental illness or was she just a monster?
This is absolutely horrific. When I thought it couldn’t get worse, the discovery of those 3 babies and the two deceased dogs just sent me over the edge. The sheer level of neglect on all of those children but particularly the hidden babies is just disgusting. The audacity the mother had to hide the bodies in her children’s rooms, just absolutely despicable. Fantastic coverage Danielle, I hope you’re doing well after researching so in depth into such a horrific case 😢
Ive found myself the last few days binge watching you. To me youre as good as the stories shown on your sponser program. Please keep it up. 😊
Edit: Theres NO WAY he didnt know she was pregnant. He may have convinced himself of the lie bc he didnt want to face reality... but he bloody well KNEW what was going on.
Think about it - if a STRANGER recognized it just walking in the door, he HAD to have heard those children at some point.
Most passionate I have seen her in a video... but she's not wrong! Justice was NOT served.
My dad and stepmother knew when I was 3-4 months. I was 17. I didn't have a belly but I was getting fuller. My stepmother went and bought a pregnancy test. At the time I felt they were too controlling and invade my privacy too much but I am glad they were attentive and noticed changes. My son is 19 now.
I think there is something to be said for people who want to believe the lies they're being told. My cousin had a baby in her late teens. She was at my house one day and did a handstand for some reason and her shirt went up. After she went out, my mom looked at my aunt and said "either she's pregnant or that's a mass in her stomach" and my aunt still refused to believe she was pregnant until just before the baby came.
I hid my pregnancy as a teen until after the legal abortion time so my parents couldn’t force me to get rid of my baby boy. When I did admit I was pregnant I said they’d never see me again if they tried to get him adopted.
From the minute he was born and still now I’ve told him how much I love him and wanted him since the day I got pregnant. My mum fell in love in the delivery room and knew she’d never mention adoption. I live to be his mum, everyday is a blessing.
I can’t imagine the level of neglect she stooped to.
Being a teen mum in an abusive relationship is no excuse not to be a brilliant loving mum, believe me. She knew what she was doing.
@@lindsaym.h.3583 My baby belly started growing towards the end of my pregnancy. Everyone thought I had gained weight.
And then what happened to the baby,did she live with the aunt?🥺👀
19:56 It was found out from Victorian orphanages, that babies who were left unattended for long periods of time eventually, stopped crying when they realized no one would answer to them crying out.
I sadly think that this might be the case here. It’s really saddening
The child understanding that 'nobody comes whether they cry or not' is a common trauma response called 'learned helplessness'
(term defined by Martin Seligman, via some rather awful experiments on dogs).
It's also not just about the lack of help.
Asking for help can also be perceived as dangerous - either because it attracts punishment from a 'caregiver'; or because the refusal of help is taken as 'rejection' by the child - which is psychologically painful.
Adults with post-traumatic conditions frequently also develop this condition.
Recent research into early development & personality has suggested that the primary maternal caregiver (mother figure - not necessarily female), acts as a 'mirror' for the newborn infant.
If that mother figure is absent, or doesn't respond appropriately then the child may still grow physically -
But psychologically it gives up on any sort of development (ever).
The mother's interactions with the child appear to call it into 'being', & invites it to explore & define the boundaries of itself (vs. the rest of the world).
An 'unseen' child gives up & dies, psychologically... in the first few weeks of life.
It therefore becomes an 'absence', instead of a 'presence'.
The child may learn to walk, talk, act approximately like a human if it continues to grow, physically - but psychodynamically it is more akin to a set of responses / programmes than a multi-dimensional, multi-faceted human being.
The outline above has been proposed as being a potential route for the development of Psychopathy (ASPD).
If there's any measure of truth to that, it must be one of the most tragic circumstances in existence -
A newborn who TRIES everything within it's power to become a presence, an entity, a person; and yet finds itself so unwanted, so rejected by the world that s/he gives up all hope of even trying to exist at all.
Wow you worded that a lot better then me, are you working in child phycology or just very interested in studying the field?
Woah, i got cold chills when you started talking about their improvement at the end. Poor babies, i cant even begin to imagine their suffering.
You're right to be angry, this is just beyond disturbing..Those poor children, especially the 3yo, she literally lived through he'll on Earth!
This was a case I was introduced to in my psychology class. The details had me fuming, I’m happy those babies were saved and may the ones that didn’t make it rest peacefully.
Omg, I lost my pregnancy with my son at 24 weeks, and I wouldn’t let the doctors do up the paperwork for me to deliver him until they put a name on the paperwork. That is so horrific.
The amount of times I gasped out loud during this...
This was extremely hard to watch.... the conditions were absolutely horrific. As a child I was abused very badly by my mother.... and some of the things these children went through I also went through I'm 27 now and I moved out when I was 15... the trauma is something I have yet to get through... this story made me grateful that my childhood wasn't worse than it was... but at the same time I'm sickened anyone has went through anything similar to my child hood.. :( the back if my head is completely flat. There were dead kittens locked in a room with me for over a month.... I genuinely cried finding out how well Lisa is doing I'm so happy to hear of her resilience it's heart warming. ❤️
Please, leave the trauma behind you. Your mom can never repay you for what she took.
You are beautiful, strong and have so much courage!! YOU ARE A SURVIVOR!❤❤❤
@@anniehills3580 Do you think she's not trying? Trauma isn't something you can pluck out of yourself and leave behind at will. It's not something you can simply decide to do. Nor is it something you can tell someone else to do, as if they just haven't tried hard enough.
You can encourage someone you know to get help and counselling if they're ready for that, but to say to a stranger "please, leave the trauma behind you" completely blames the victim of trauma for being traumatised.
I am so sorry you went through that. I truly hope you're in a safe space now with a good support system around you.