The Acolyte Blame Game Begins: Star Wars Ratings PLUMMET -- Writers Say Budget and Filoni Did It!
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- The Acolyte Blame Game Begins: Star Wars Ratings PLUMMET -- Writers Say Budget and Filoni Did It!
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This is the fault of One! The fault of Two! The fault of MANYYYYYYYYY!
Gross 😂😂😂
Lol
The Many Will all Point Their Fingers to The Two, or The One.
You can't deny the power of many...failures!
My hat is OFF to you!
It’s Filoni’s fault for going so overboard with his witch obsession, KK’s fault for giving it the greenlight, Stenberg and the rest of the cast’s fault for being so condescending towards their audience, Hedlund’s fault for conceiving such a terrible idea for a series, and Iger’s fault for letting it make it to air. The Acolyte is a suck sandwich where every ingredient contributes something awful to it.
Pretty soon, the shareholders and board will realize that the initial 4 billion SHOULD have been recouped by now, along with another 10+ billion, if they had just given us average movies/shows minus the woke messaging. Not even K*ntleen, Baloni, nor Lezzye will be safe from the reckoning to come.
To be fair with Iger, this was but one project greenlit in a series of projects off the fan support for the first season of Mando five years ago back in 2019. And all based on a pitch about twins who are opposed to each other on the light and dark side of the force. By the time the Board probably saw the first edited version of this, three years had passed and $200 million had been spent. Fans had had support for Filoni due to Mandolorian's success and even the board likely gave him breathing room. Between Ahsoka and The Acolyte, I'm sure Iger has lost faith in Filoni at this point. But everything points to actors' contracts being a MF to get out of because Disney management assumed they would need the actors for a multi-project deal. Disney had no choice but to try to salvage it and release it. So they did damage control by releasing it when Upside Down 2 was released in theaters and ending it when Deadpool 3 is to be released.
I think The Board has probably comes to terms with the idea that Star Wars is a dead brand. And yes, they killed it. They just haven't come to terms with what to do about it. I think the next project to come out is Skeleton Crew and I doubt its going to do well unless word of mouth carries it through.
On top of that, nobody in that group knows anything about Star Wars, and didn’t CARE to know; with the exception of Filoni, who should have known better than this.
Plenty of blame to go around.
THIS
Writer: "Dave approved it!"
Me: "But you still wrote a piece of crap in the first place"
And he's a straight White male who wants to keep his job. Of course, he's going to approve it and not give constructive feedback on it. I'm mean...look what they do to the fans. He's lived and breathed Star Wars for years but he's not a DEI hire. So he doesn't get an opinion unless it aligns with the extremist activist narrative.
🤷♀️
"Dave approved it!"
Yeah, and what would have happened to him if he hadn't?
@@jimluebke3869 Exactly! He's a straight White male...and we see how they treat the fans who give them any constructive feedback, even if it's legitimate and not just to troll. They see any feedback as trolling. What I say..."Ok. Don't take our advice. Learn the hard way & fall flat on your face. And if you Blade anyone other than yourself, you lack emotional intelligence and maturity." 🤷♀️
@@jimluebke3869 Clearly he would be looking for a job elsewhere. People can throw shade at Filoni all they want but it's been very clear that he only holds so much sway on story direction and has to work within the confines of this weird box that KK has placed him in. First the story has to check all the weird agenda boxes and once it does that, I'm certain there isn't much wiggle room for what can be added and deleted.
Not working for Disney Lucasfilm anymore. Look what demographic he is.
They're always claiming firsts. The more firsts they need, the more ridiculous they get. First queer woman to run a star warz show. First queer twins in star wars. First lesbian witches in space. First campfire in space. First Jedi to be killed with a flying grapefruit spoon. First character to be on the jedi council 40 years before he was born.
first starwars show to suck more than the kessel run
That's right, she is the FIRST queer woman to run a star wars show but that should not be the reason to create garbage, It looks like the senior management decision to give her free rein was a terrible idea.
First Jedi to commit self-deletion due to white guilt (as the writers believe ALL straight white men should do)
Campfire in space ewoks movie 1. You may regret it. (I didn't, even if I admit it was cheesy af.)
13% currently. That's way too high in my opinion.
Way to by but about 12 points.
lmao it keeps dropping. Wonder if we can get it into the negatives.
@@Gnostic88 I think the numbers would go into that territory if people could vote in the negative digits.. I think fans of the original Star Wars dislike the latest 'content' that much..
Im hoping for single digits
it still breaks the record with an all time low. No one will ever best Hedland in this.
The Disney crown hasn't slipped. They ripped it off, threw it on the ground, stomped it flat, and then took a crap all over it.
...and then wondered why people stopped lining up to kiss them on the a$$...
And then they gingerly picked it up, and slowly placed it back on their head with heedless concern and bountiful pride.
scraped it up and fed it to the roaches, then shipped the roach crappings to the House of Mouse
They've reached a well of some kind of 'super narcissism'
And then blamed us fans for it.
Says a lot that the dathomir witches went from badasses who rode rancors to a bunch of hippies…
Caveat: these aren't dathomir witches. Different coven entirely (thank god).
These are new, different witches
@@animelytical8354They have the power of one, the power of two, the power of MANNNNNYYYY.
The POWER of SCISSORS... Cutting the THREAD of Disney Star Wars
is that how they make the kids?
😂
No, they make kids with one finger, two fingers, many fingers. 😅
If The Acolyte went softcore with hot chicks showing lots of skin and boobs it would be a hit. Disney doesn't even pretend to be a children's brand anymore, might as well go all in.
Les-LIE H.: "Damn it! I could've given my wife's character a pair of scissors with frikkin lightsaber blades!"
I just watched the 1940 Technicolor action adventure fantasy titled The Thief of Bagdad. There is nothing in Disney Star Wars that even comes close to the artistic achievement and entertainment value presented in this amazing film. Modern Hollywood is a wasteland of talentless agenda driven slop.
Haven't seen that, with Sabu, for decades. But Hollywood has always made rubbish films - good films exist too. You need to broaden your diet.
This is a direct result of creative talent being driven out in favor of low IQ activists. The quality of writers, directors, and even actors is slop compared to what it once was.
Crappy writers these days. I look fondly back at shows like Babylon 5 where the production value was low BUT the writing and story telling was excellent.
There are 60 years of great films. People need to give black and white films a chance. Lawrence of Arabia is a outstanding film. The color and scenery is beautiful.
I agree. I prefer watching movies from the 30s-60s, some 70s-80s. Much better acting and storytelling.
Its not just Star Wars bro, look at whats going on in Video Games and TTRPGs. They are attacking EVERYTHING we love
Orcs in DnD can't be evil nor ugly anymore... So now, we have Mexican orcs!😂
This is all too stupid to be stupid. This is an organized iconoclasm campaign, as the new investors demand.
What's a ttrpg?
"You've let a whole bunch of monkeys into this place, and you've let them type on all their typewriters, and they're not coming up with Shakespeare. They're coming up with what you'd expect monkeys to come up with if they're typing with typewriters in a room"
Savage takedown by Lorn lmao!!
Pro was quick on his feet with that one lol
Jessica Gao flat out admitted She-Hulk was used to troll the fans. Hey, as long as it’s other people’s money being used, right?
This is all too stupid to be stupid. This is an organized iconoclasm campaign, as the new investors demand.
As much as they spent on each episode with no evidence on where the money went, this is literally a poor excuse.
You cannot convince me that a large portion of the budget wasn't earmarked to feed Brick Face's crippling Wayfair cabinet addiction.
There’s no way it was ever a serious consideration given the budget. Showing a sith ragdoll a Wookiee Jedi, even with no explanation, would have made the villain/narrative *better*. That Force Push was lame.
Imagine they embezilled the $
They can pass the buck all they want but ultimately it stops at the top. Kennedy hired Headland and OKd everything she was doing. She watched the show and approved it's release. Kennedy is responsible. It's her studio.
Not only approved, but encouraged it
Buck doesn't stop until she runs out of people to throw under the bus instead.
Her and Iger.
It seems corporate culture rewards and incentivizes blame deflection.
They might as well rename the studio to Kennedy film
You know they shouldn’t control Star Wars because no one asked the question ‘wouldn’t it be cool to see a Wookiee Jedi fight?’
**The Wookie Jedi roars in anticipation of the battle. The camera pans down his side as he retrieves a feral-looking lightsaber as it ignites yellow. The acolyte, strength mixed with fear in her mind, draws her saber. Their fight is flashy and cool, just like Dual of the Fates. He fights with brute force, her with cunning and trickery. She is losing the saber fight, spots a bag of sand/dust/coals/etc and slashes it open before using the Force to throw the dust at the Wookie, blinding him. The rest of the fight is with his eyes closed as he uses the Force to see. His movements are a bit slower, more calculated, but none the weaker. In a desperate, last effort, the acolyte manages to slice his lightsaber in half and stabs him through the chest. He roars in defeat and Force-pushes her backwards as she crashes through the back wall of the building which collapses on top of her. The wookiee breathes his last as he falls over dead. The acolyte manages to crawl out of the rubble with some help from the Force. She is badly injured and bloodied from the fight. Numerous burns across her body. She allows herself a small moment of victory seeing the dead wookiee, while realizing how close she came to dying herself, and stumbles out of the building. Fade to black.
Imagine the wookiee action figure and lightsaber sales...
There was a Wookiee Jedi in Clone Wars.
@@asciblue Not a live-action Jedi wookiee.
This is iconoclastic anti-entertainment. *Just as the new shareholders demand it.*
@WickedScott maybe someone did and they misheard it as "wokie jedi"
I remember when people were saying Dave Filoni was the savior of Star Wars 🙄🙄
I remember that to 🤦♂️🤦♂️
I guess it goes to show that....well, shows are a team effort. He may not be a hack imo, but he needs good partners.
@@KeybladeMasterAndyhe is a hack...he can't do live action... Ashoka is almost as bad as Acolyte...
I began getting doubts after legend of korra and then realised he was a hack when he couldnt get the personality of his own characters correctly, he is just some asshole who strals other peoples ideas and claims them as his like how he claimed the darth maul stuff was his idea
Favreau is the last hope
Reminds me of this one place I worked. When things were going great the Branch Director (female of course) took all the credit for it (even though other people did most or all of the work) and never stopped bragging about it. But when things went tits-up, she immediately blamed it on everybody else, each of whom turned right around & pointed the finger at somebody else. On & on down the line it would go, like ever-widening ripples in a pond. Nobody _ever_ took responsibility for anything and consequently it continued to go down the craphole.
That's Communism for ya.
Also, Cluster-Bs gonna Cluster-B.
@@Xbalanque84 Well in the case of the place I worked, it wasn't 'communism' per se; it was just lousy management.
Lorn is 100 percent correct! 86 The Acolyte.
More importantly, clean house of Mouse!
It’s not $180 million, Disney always hides the true values of their budget. That’s still not enough apparently…lol
They only had the budget of 20 Godzilla Minus One movies… obviously not enough for 8 very short Disney episodes.😂
Doctor Strange 2 costs more than the Avengers movies…lol it only got worst. Haunted Mansion looks like a mid to low budget movie, but it’s $130 million budget. Disney can’t make anything under $100 million anymore
Massive overhead.
The thing I guess many people don't get is budget versus actual cost. Last I heard the actual cost was over $200 million.
@@DouglasLippi
Sure… I doubt that anyone at Disney actually knows how much for example Captain America 4 costs… when they supposedly started all over 3 times.
We had a budget of 200 million… and then did reshoots for 100 million… two times… and then we threw it all away and started from the beginning.😂
Makes sense when Favereau ditched his job fighting with them.
how about everyone involved faults. You spent 180 million on this?
But but but, there wasn't enough budget
best guess they paid themselves 140-150m to make it ... then spent 30-40m tops on the entire series. only other reason - money laundering.
@@georgedavidson957 well they had shot the 1st version of the show about a year and half ago and after test audiences didn't like it. So they did reshoots and took it to test audiences and still didn't like it, so they did a 2nd round of reshoots and after test audiences still didn't like it than Dave Fillioni did a final rewrite on the script.
Lesson of the story is before preproduction have a complete script.
Yes, every single person that collected a check from this disaster is responsible for this
Hey it costs a lot of money to look that cheap.
I've been saying that Dave Filloni is a plagiarizing hack that can't create to save his life, for YEARS. I got a lot of abuse and shade from several IG SW accounts, shills, and sycophants....until Ahsoka. Ahsoka brought doubt. The Acolyte united fans against him and The Message. Now, I am hopeful. Disney can't "fix" it. I think the only solution is Disney sells Lucasfilm. Recon Disney SW, and pick up where it should go based on Legends/EU material. These idiots claiming canon, they think that Lucas didn't care, but as an aspiring author, one had to submit works for review to ensure it DIDN'T BREAK CANON. However it was called, they still cared. Just sayin! Keep up the good work Pro!❤
Filoni is just a smirking, snydee, slippery, no talent simp and a George Lucas wannabe! He's just like one of the weird NPC characters he's created with a cowboy hat! Whenever you watch the docs he's always in the background yes George no George 3bags full George and look how he's done Lucas dirty and all true Star wars fans too!
I will say that the first two seasons of mando gave me hope for filoni not necessarily to save the franchise but still. And while I dislike the concept of the world between worlds I did like anakins and ahsokas scene in it, but yeah ahsoka put massive doubt in it for me and then the acolyte was the straw that broke the camel's back for me.
This is actually intentional. They may be mocked now, but they are hoping the young audience will think it's more appealing since those always "grumpy boomers" don't like it. It's nothing new. They also hope this becomes a time line for the next generation to see how it was criticized for it's social propaganda. Disney sees these failed projects as investments for the future.
But the problem is that younger audiences aren't ever going to be "hardcore" fans of anything. They hop on and off of whatever's trendy on any given week more frequently than some people change their underwear. Younger generations aren't going to stick with it for 50+ years like the OG SW fans have. They're not collecting the action figures/toys, they're not buying the Darth Vader waffle makers, etc. So sure they'll stick with it for a while but not long-term, especially with the trash new content.
It’s to the point I think Disney Execs are laundering money. You can’t justify $180M budget with such a poor output.
Budget problems?
They had 20 million+ per episode
Headland probably told Filoni she’ll do lesbian stuff with him, now he’s simping for her.
Dear God, man! Some of us are still in breakfast hours! So much for my appetite. :(
@@infinity_flairThere's always breakfast hours _somewhere._ If you want to eat undisturbed, maybe don't read comments on social media while enjoying your ham sandwich. 🙂
Is he in such need for sex?
@@c0d3warrior Oh my God, it was a joke. Get a life.
We all know Dave is the type to watch from the corner.
Disney should stop using the Star Wars name to create new DEI shows. This show is not Star Wars, it's something else. Belongs in pride month parade
But they clearly bought it to destroy it.
I truly believe they bought it to monopolize on the name, but they're failing miserably. The true fan will never fall for these shenanigans.
Doucheney can pay 4 billion dollars to own the "Star Wars" IP. What they will NEVER be able to do is to tell ANY of us what is, or is not CANON. It's funny that they appear to think they DO have that ability... 😂
That Hack Fioni is going nowhere. You must remember you fail upward at Disney. I would not be supprised if Headland gets a second season. Just like Rings Of Garbage. Ahsoka has and it was awful, The Acolyte is God awful. So on their fail upward scale it may get three or four seasons.🤢🤢🤮🤮🤮🤮
You fail upwards, but at the highest levels they like sacrificing underlings to cover their own tails.
$180M and they’re bi**hing about budget constraints. WOW!
Agree with Lorn 100%. It is about changing the culture, not about the money...Well said Lorn
Can we please call the Disney abomination Woke Wars to distinguish it from the real Star Wars?
We do call it Disney Star Wars which no translates to crap
Culture Wars
It’s generic Disney space product.
D-Canon works.
"Disney Star Wars" implies garbage at this point.
Agreed!
It all starts out on the page. If a studio employs writers that can't write, all the money in the world and all the reshoots they resort to will not save their poorly constructed stories. It's like trying to build a sky scraper without a blueprint and thinking you can make it all up as you go along and work out the room placement and the plumbing later. Most of these failures could have been avoided if there had been competent people in charge. If you're looking for someone to blame, you have to start with Iger. It's obvious that the man lacks the ability to determine whether something is good or bad. He's destroyed the movies, the animation studios and the theme parks.
We've seen what the culture is like at Disney from the top down. You don't replace an individual and see this show fixed. Everyone there making decisions and writing the stories needs to go, and we know that just will never happen. They have quadrupled down on their approach, even being mocked and turned into a meme in South Park didn't spur any change. Disney is dead. The best anyone can hope for is they sell off the Star Wars IP to someone else who might do it justice.
The Force is Financial Reality, and there is nothing Disney can do to stop it. Even Larry Fink has had his bonus cut for making crappy business investments.
@@Puzzoozoo I don't see how you can think that in 2024 after countless flops and poorly received public opinion. They had a chance to change things changing up the board but that didn't happen, so clearly it still hasn't failed enough to force change.
This is the fun part, watching them tear into each other and throw one another under the bus as nobody is willing to step up and just take responsibility for any failure.
Actually what they are doing IS successful because several franchises are being destroyed, and that is likely the plan.
They wanted to destroy to "rebuild better", but now they are so hated they won't be part of the rebuilding phase. They can _claim_ they _were_ successful, but in reality they failed halfway through. Without the cultural impact through the audience's attention, their long-term goal of altering society is unachievable.
Glad to see someone else noticing the pattern. The algorithm is getting increasingly touchy whenever I try to point this out.
@@c0d3warrior
Not that they care. They did their job, the masses are demoralized.
Let them eat their own and be thankful the audience at large has FINALLY woken up to what Disney has done to Star Wars.
Budget? Seriously? You could probably make an entire trilogy with that budget.
'Godzilla Minus One' Came Together With a $15 Million Budget and 35 VFX Artists and Made Oscars History. You're telling us 180 million dollars can't accomplish a fraction of that??
@@Phant0mSiren Yeah, where did the money go? Also, I don't care what anyone says, budget doesn't effect the quality of writing.
The destruction of heroes for young men was the goal, and they achieved that in spades. The only reason for them to be displeased is the loss of money and the absence of approbation from the general public, which threatens the usual process of failing upwards.
We are absolutely laughing at them
Its Bob Igers fault. Lucasfilm is in such a bad state and Kathleen Kennedy seems unable or unwilling to fix it. Bob Iger needs to step in and solve this mess. Either by cutting costs and letting only a skeleton crew run Lucasfilm or by replacing the stuff at Lucasfilm and starting new. If I were an investor I would be very concerned about Bob Igers inaction towards Lucasfilm.
Definitely unwilling to fix it. She is actively pushing this 'force is female' crap, and the lesbian space witch coven stuff was something she was VERY proud of.
The rainbow and diversity activists mob would declare own warfare on Iger if he was to do any of that, and Iger doesn't want that to be his legacy this close to him retiring.
President Biden and Congress should just nationalize Disney at this point to stop all this woke crap.
They're doing exactly what the new shareholders are telling them to do.
@@BungieStudios
_...And you think that won't make all of this worse?_
Lorn is exactly right. Kathleen Kennedy is an activist. Disney cultivates activists. Kennedy hires activists. I call this new Star Wars show The Activist. From the get go, Kennedy has been dismantling, re-contextualizing, breaking, character assassinating and undermining Lucas’s Star Wars. She is a man-hating feminist activist. She views George’s Star Wars as a product of the “patriarchy”. Naturally she would want to change it, including (if not especially) George’s original work. What have we seen? Han Solo was a bad father (though we’re shown zero proof or explanation of this). Luke is reduced to a pathetic mess who has abandoned his own character and everyone he loves. Anakin’s redemption as well as Luke’s victory were taken from them. The’ve established their new female hero (which is fine, of course), but made sure she never had to learn anything from a terrible man and she never gets to fail. The Force can do whatever the writers decide it can do. All the villains are white males except Cpt. Phasma who is completely covered and has about 2 minutes in the entire trilogy. Jesus, the list goes on and on. It’s not bad writing. I think a lot of people miss this or don’t understand it. It appears as bad writing because every script, every show, doesn’t happen - doesn’t flow - as it naturally should because it’s written from a place of ideology. Men are bad or pathetic. Women are always great, never make mistakes, as they make Yoda say about Rey “already has she all that she needs”. Speaking of quotes; they tell us in the dialogue constantly: “destroy the past, kill it if you have to”, “the Jedi need to end”, “I came here to die”, “it’s about power and who’s allowed to wield it”. I believe by the end of The Activist the prophecy of Anakin’s birth, the reasons behind it as well as the motivation of the Sith are going to be re-contextualized, thereby undermining and reshaping George’s original saga at its very roots. It will set up Rey’s “New Jedi Order” and how we’re supposed to (according to their ideology) view the Jedi, the Force and practically everything involved in the original films. These shows are absolutely malicious and written from a place of bitterness. It will continue to be under Kathleen Kennedy and Disney.
They aren’t intentionally trolling the audience. They’re super upset and angry that everyone hates those products, and they’re playing off how bad it is as a troll to come off above the audience. They’re hurt themselves because they honestly think they made something special.
Someone is doing this to troll the audience. It's why they keep hiring insufferable narcissists for these projects.
I feel like Filoni was promoted to be the fall guy. Like KK wanted this production, but she wanted to get rid of Filoni and not take the blame for this show.
Well, he'd be the first person not to fail upward at Disney. If he does get the boot, that would be a good thing.
Can't say I feel sorry for the guy. He definitely sold out.
I was wondering when they would finally talk about the white male elephant in the room. After they get rid of him, they will probably just start blaming everything on Iger.
Hollywood is bereft of creativity… Bereft of originality… bereft of talent.… the talented people have retired or left ( or have been fired ) …. Disney is imploding…Star Wars is its latest victim…
But golly… I wish that I cared…😞
… My prediction is that a Millstone has been placed around Disney’s neck and that they are going to be cast into the ocean of bankruptcy …
… And Once again… Oh well 🤷♂️
Keep watching until the bubbles stop. Stick around for a half-hour once they do just to be sure. Drop another anchor on the way out.
Let us see if I have this correct.
1. DEIsney has had a string of costly failures and needs a string of success to compensate for the losses.
2. Boy Lyger submits that The Acolyte is a huge hit, and the bad ratings are due to a small minority of toxic male fans.
3. Thus, Lyger at el. has decided to cancel season 2 of the huge hit, Acolyte.
4. It sounds like Lyger is breaching his fiduciary duty to shareholders by canceling season 2 of such a big hit.
Or Lyger is lying, and the Acolyte is a huge failure. To keep the lie feasible, Lyger will need to reinstate season 2 of the Acolyte, take the losses and lick his wounds. They will need to hide the losses somewhere. Can anyone guess where the losses will be hidden? Deadpool will be a huge success, and some of the funds will be diverted to cover the Acolyte losses, just like when men's sports carry female sports.
“I ain’t that baby daddy! Dave is!”
Success has a thousand fathers; failure is an orphan.
~5:30 “I hate to interrupt” Then Don’t Pro, or admit you like to interrupt, or feel compelled to interrupt, or don’t care if you interrupt. It’s just disingenuous at this point to say you hate to do it. Tough love. Still rooting for you.
Listened to the rest. Well handled and good discussion. Bravo.
Bob Igor's political ambitions is the root cause fall of rhe Disney brand.
Favreu needs to jump to light speed outta Lucasfilm pronto!
Talking about biting the hand that feeds you...
As fans we want to see the story of Luke and Mara Jade, Knights of Old Republic. and a Vader series.
I expect Fiioni is being instructed to shoehorn in the LGBT stuff. What's he supposed to do, quit over it?
Would be a wise decision, otherwise he's just another scammer making a profit from selling trash and propaganda to the general public. I'm sure he's made enough money to live comfortably for the rest of his life without working in the industry.
I have to admit I don't know anything about the power struggles within the company and maybe I'm not doing sufficient justice to one or the other working there, but from the outside it just looks like everyone there is just willingly "following orders".
if he had any modicum of self-respect, honor and actual love for star wars as he claims he does, then absolutely, yes he should absolutely quit instead of grabbing a club and joining in on beating the horse to death.
The showrunner alone made this DOA. Lesley Headland is toxic due to her association and should be regarded as such. Anyone who knows of her past knows all she deserves is a cell alongside her old boss.
One thing Narcissists can't do. Admit they're wrong!
The Disney crown, Mickey took off and said it was problomatic as he threw it away, but then after taking a break for a few days, came back to find that their throne is gone and its been replaced by their rivals sitting nicely wearing multable crowns and Mickey is like "Why are you sitting in my throne?" Universal "Your throne, you gave it up and so we took over, your throne is over there!!" Points to what was Mickey's throne, covered in poop and have the words DEI written across it!!
What coming out of Disney isn't written by Monkeys, its written by extremely narrow minded people who are slaves to the woke faith and they yet to build the woke churches for their faithful to come and give their offerings
Exactly right. They just want you talking about it. If you’ve ever seen conversations with people that destroy artwork in the name of various causes? When they get ripped apart for being stupid or hypocritical, they say but you’re talking about it so we won.
This is why people literally have to start boycotting Disney and any studio that exhibits this type of behavior. Stop giving money to people that don’t like you. It doesn’t mean you’re toxic.
The incessant need to destroy something says a lot more about the people doing it then it does the fans commenting on it.
Bigger, more intelligent people would be promoting something without knocking down something else. That’s positive.
Lifting someone up, while knocking someone else down at its expense is neither Noble or progressive. It’s something much worse.
I agree with Lorn about KK hating LucasFilm. I think she hated George Lucas and Steven Spielberg since she was not seen as a “creative” and was viewed as the person arranging financing. Her mission was to destroy LucasFilm since she was made chief executive to spite George. She knew that she could never be fired being one of the few female media executives despite everything she had done and poisoned. Everything that she was involved with has been terrible and everything that she was not meddled with has been good, such as the season 1 and 2 of the Mandalorian. I don’t see a change occurring any time in the near future as it seems everyone in LucasFilms is happy to stick it to the fans.
It's like a relationship with a narcissist. No matter how much it costs them, no matter how many people they drive away, as long as they are in control and we give them ANY attention - they'll keep trying to find some way to make us acknowledge them.
If they did this to make fans angry, the sickness among them is extreme. What a terrible way to live.
Lorne is absolutely right! Everyone should realize by now they know how fans feel. This is being done on purpose to hurt those who care.
I just don't care about Star Wars anymore.
Letting it sit is not feasible. Immediate apology to the fans. Retcon all Disney stuff. Have old man Luke rebuding the Jedi the right way.
Im incredibly thankful for The Acolyte, and everyone involved in its production.
Im never going to watch any of it, however its been great for content.
I’m honestly surprised they don’t automatically start playing the acolyte after your show ends to artificially pump up the minutes watched numbers
You know the budget excuse doesn't work, you can have an entertaining time with the most limited of budgets, if the creativity is high, the passion is high, the writiing & the cinemotography angles! The original Star Wars A New Hope had a $11 million dollar budget beloved for generations. The Acolyte cost $180million and it's a flop. The heads at Disney must stop making excuses.
The goal of Acolyte and upcoming Rey movie is to push the South Park meme and build on the fans hate. Disney Star Wars needs to fall with no applause.
This whole thing is a microcosm of society vs government
Remember when Disney would stop selling their movies for certain lengths of time, then on the VHS say (Opening the Disney Vault for sale) drove me wild as a kid as I wanted the movies so bad. Instead of that, although it is the state of media now, Disney just tries to strap you in a chair and feed you till you die. Mothball Star Wars. Feed the interest and retool the staff.
What did they expect when they deliberately hire writers who know nothing about SW, let alone have a burning passion for SW ?
Why would any sane person allow Harvey W’s assistant to ever work in Hollywood again, let alone put her in charge of things? She had to have known every evil thing that he was doing. It’s astonishing that Hedlund is still allowed to work in the business.
I don't ever want to hear about GateKeeping. We need more of it.
Fans want a rich history of character they love. Amazing well written story without any agendas or DEI. They are also sick of the directors and Disney using fans as escape goats for bad acting and badly written story. But if Directors, Actors, and writers start calling fans names and accusing them of being toxic men, racism, sexism, anti-female, or bigots with the DEI agenda. Fans will fire back and these big companies forget that what makes a movie money is the fans. You insult them with name calling and accusing them of being something just because they want a decades rich story well written without DEI. They will boycott your movies. Back when the Original trilogy was in theaters, diverse crowds of humans stood around the block waiting for tickets, all enjoying each other's company. Nobody was excluded, nobody was told, "This isn't for you!" or "You're too toxic to stand in line with us." Nothing in the movies beat us over the head with politics. This was pure, escapist entertainment, and a LOT of the fans were young men who weren't the alpha coolest bad-asses, and their friends, families and dates. These guys loved being able to escape and feel like greatness was possible. Now? Diversity and Inclusion doesn't include us, not even a little bit. The truth is it is not Lucas Films anymore. It is Kathleen Kennedy Films.
The amazing thing about making that music video, is that it takes sometimes weeks to record them. Not including writing, producing, mixing and mastering the song itself.
So not only was it a bad idea. But it was premeditated. Think about how pathetic that is 😂
I've been saying this for years, I never liked Dave touching Star wars. If I were to do a regime change for star wars, It would be John Favreau and Sam Witwer as THE adviser. He's proven time and time again how much he loves Star Wars and has even schooled Dave.
I love Lorn's analysis! I'm always happy when we get to hear his commentary.
The best was to see how they killed the Wookie Jedi offscreen on the grounds that "we didn't know what to do with it lol it broke the PACE of the rest of the script".
This is confusing...Way back when I was a kid, "Queer folks" were some of the most creative of artists...But in those days, the actual goal was to be creative, competent, and bless the audience with your beautiful talent! (Liberace & Mercury were giants in their craft.) Now, the radicals want to force-feed us their lifestyle and political beliefs - ignoring what is most relevant to the audience.
My God, The Acolyte is at 13% on rotten tomatoes as of this moment. Pathetic, just pathetic.
I think Lorne is exactly right.
They’re literally after the publicity.
The only way they’ll leave is if they’re kicked out or the subjects is utterly dead.
Dune 2 was a rousing success.
It's budget was 20 million lower than the Acolyte.
Disney has a time honored tradition of throwing people under the bus. Iger is a master of it, blaming all of his bad decisions on Chapek. Kennedy will throw Feloni under the bus to save herself, but that will only last until Iger throws her under (or gets canned himself). At least it will be more entertaining that watching the Acolyte.
This ratings debacle was as predictable as it was inevitable. First, formulate your agenda project. Then, attach it to an IP where it fits like a huge tarantula on a wedding cake. If it does not fit, use a bigger hammer. Then, fail to listen to your intended audience, except to reshoot scenes over and over in response to the ominous rumbling. Go on promo tour, piss the fans off by smirking at your desecration of the IP. When it is released and immediately rejected, blame fans.
Trinity was killed with a spork! Lol😂😂
There is plenty of blame to go around.I never was food by faloni's bologna
They need to shut this down
This fish is rotting from the head down.
How many times does Pro have to hear, "Its not about the money, its about the message", before he fully understands what that sentence means.
Also Pro: KK will be allowed to make whatever she wants as long as she wants to. Chris Gore's idea of her being in charge of nothing with no budget is a pipe dream. If she has the knowledge that keeps her employed, that knowledge will guarantee whatever hate-filled ideas she has, being funded.
Star Wars is doomed as long as Disney/Lucasfilm own it and even if Apple buys it, that won't be any better.
When a creative endeavor enters the Zeitgeist, there is no longer any true ownership, any 'control' of the Canon. This is the blessing and bane of jumping the cultural crossbar - your stuff is no longer yours alone. So Disney does not control the Star Wars ethos, and we are free to accept or reject their offerings.
Obviously, this catastrophe of a series was penned in the posh, air-cooled environs of Communicore Hall while eating reheated Musaka bought for $20 bucks.
lorn is right. disney and other companies are not incompetent. they aren’t surprised by the results. these outcomes are desired. If The Acolyte were well received, Disney would have been pissed.
Crappy writing equals BAD RATINGS when will Disney grow up and get back to giving us family friendly content and not propaganda
Dave was never the Chief creative officer he was 1st fall man and easy to fire officer.
The folks at Warner Bros took a look at the Batgirl movie and thought it was not worthy of putting out in Cinemas or streaming. Perhaps had someone at Lucasfilm been wise, they would have shelved The Acolyte.
Sure they'll keep going. They can't stop now and admit that the stunning brilliance of their enlightenment is WRONG. It is, but they can't admit that! Celebrated writers and directors and producers were celebrated for valid reasons, mostly their skill in cinema. The stated goal of giving unestablished people a chance at the big leagues is fine, even noble, but using it as an excuse to hand off top tier jobs to incompetent people wasn't the idea.
If Pumpkin Head(land) had done her job, then the first two versions that were fully produced, would not have been re-done for a third pass with Dave in charge of writing, after their test screen respectively went from bad to worse. Apparently this version scored nearly as badly as the first, so this is the best they can do. So the fault lies with Kennedy, Headland, and FailOnly equally.
Nah, it falls on George Lucas for selling it to Disney in the First Place.
With the bit about the parks I disagree a bit. It's not that 'they're having trouble maintaining'. It's that they cut out maintenance for such a long time that they CAN'T maintain it anymore, but they don't want to replace it.
Think of it like a car engine and changing the oil. When you buy a brand new car, with a new engine, you should change the oil regularly. Do you HAVE to change the oil every 6 months? No. Can you get away without changing it for years? Sure. But the longer you go without changing the oil, the more the engine suffers. If you didn't change the oil in your engine for 3 years, then start having engine trouble, you can't simply go back and change the oil. Now you have all kinds of deep problems caused by you refusing to change the oil.
That's what Disney did. They cut out a lot of regular maintenance and upkeep of the parks and rides, and now are at the stage where they're trying to go back and 'maintain' things that now need to be replaced because they have deep-seated problems from their lack of previous maintenance.
this, this is all to common in housing market too. cant begin to tell you how many apartment complexs do this
5:15 "I hate to interrupt"
Na, you relentlessly interrupt every guest you have
Duffer Brothers doing Star Wars would be too sensible.
"...and you have to have a competent CEO. Iger no longer fills that role."
Who's to say he ever did?