Belfast Celtic: The Team That Died | Gunshots and Goalposts #1
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- A brief history of Belfast Celtic: The team that died.
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In 1949, Belfast Celtic of Northern Ireland, ceased to exist. As part of our 'Gunshots & Goalposts' mini-series, this video details how the region's sectarian troubles led to the club's decision to dissolve.
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If only all history lessons could be made this interesting
It could be either you were not interested in history or your history teacher was unenthusiastic about teaching the subject. Otherwise, history classes are always interesting and will be.
@@amityzhimo2853 my history teacher sucks
0:53 guy drawn with the gun definitely looks like Cillian Murphy. Are you guys _Peaky Blinders_ fans?
They probably searched "Irish guy with a gun" or something haha
I think it's either from peaky blinders or wind that shakes the barley
Big JellyEel PEAKY FOOKIN BLINDERS
It's also definitely all of them as the group on the right. Paul Anderson (Arthur) stands out like a sore thumb!
Yeah, that was the first thought I had when I saw that... it's him at 1:23 as well. Can't believe so many other people noticed that!
How does this channel not have a million subscribers??
how does it not have 10 million?
Exactly
Because most people dont come to youtube to be informed, they are here for entertainment
Took a while but they have done it
Hehee yea now they got the subscribers . Well deserved
I'm from Belfast and really didn't know too much about the history of all this, incredibly interesting! Great video.
For those watching
Belfast Celtic FC have been reformed and took the place of Sport and Leisure Swifts FC, and currently play in the Ballymena Premier Division, 1 of the 4 leagues at the 4 division of Northern Irish football
They should have become pro and entered the league of Ireland
One of my proudest Football Manager achievements is taking over as manager and returning them to the top-flight of the Irish League.
Videos like this, are what separates this channel from the rest of the football related content on CZcams.
Can we have âGlasgow Rangers: The Team that Diedâ next? ;)
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Yes please đ
oh aye getting pumped by Celtic every game and cant even get past a Luxembourg team for european football, what a show you guys put on for sure...
you give everyone a great laugh
Glasgow2k6 What did you expect us to come up and be the superforce straight away?. Celtic have done fuck all spectacular since we left and you know it. We beat you in the semi whilst in the championship fs (right laugh that was)
won one treble in the 4 years without rangers (embarrassing considering the pay disparity in scotland), moving towards 10 in a row... do you genuinely feel proud of winning consistently in a league you are expected to win year in year out comfortably? considering rangers are going to be massive outsiders until the year they actually win it, even then celtic will be odds on favourites to win the league until the day they can (if they can) match celtics colossal wage bill...5-1 was an embarrassment as was the result in luxembourg, however recent results have proven that the football in luxembourg is not to be taken lightly, and whilst granted the result in the europa league can arguably be considered the worst result in the clubs history, it was a side caught cold who had barely been involved with each other.
as for your comment regarding 'theres fuck all left for *us* to do in scottish football', it shows a massive level of disrespect and bias towards your club. both rangers and celtic are clubs steeped in history, both having dominated the game north of the border for as long as the game has existed. but to merely refer to celtic as having achieved all there is to do in the game up there just shows how blind you are. just look at the trophy room at ibrox, which currently holds more silverware than the club you clearly can't look beyond. and before you say 'aye but they died and they've never won anything' you have no excuse to do so. you are never more than a google search away from the truth, just as every footballing body has said and that only celtic fans cannot seem to wrap their heads around.
as for the cup semi final, the result was monumental, regardless of the circumstance. the first time the two clubs had met for nearly half a decade, with a side costing a fraction of what liewell was paying out weekly, and they still weren't good enough. also congratulations on going so long unbeaten domestically in a system where you are expected to win every game against bit part teams in a league which is lamented globally for being so poor. the sad fact is that celtic have hit their ceiling. there is nowhere further up for them to go, realistically any time spent in europe is farcical, because you will end up bombing out at the first chance, and even if you are to make the europa league after finishing above a beleaguered anderlecht, a round of 32 elimination from the europa league beckons.
rangers fans have experienced the very worst of what it is to follow football. glee and glory spells are much more often temporary than they are permanent, just be sure to prepare yourself my friend, because the run cannot go on forever, which will make it all the sweeter when it ends.
Awesome piece, on a story I didn't know about. Good job.
Cheers Tifo, I've learned so much about the beautiful game from this channel.
Still the best video series you guys have ever done. All your videos are properly researched, professionally done, and high quality infotainment but these were just head and shoulders above. Tifo Football is the mutt's nuts son!
Amazing story telling, made me emotional towards the end
Yet again, another top notch video. Had never even heard of Belfast Celtic. Good summary.
Very interesting video!
I love your content
That's a drawing of the Lisbon lions the Glasgow Celtic team on the thumbnail, Billy McNeil, Tam Gemmell, Ronnie Simpson and John Clark are some that you can clearly make out
Muy buen video!! Triste historia
Brilliant video yet again.
The red hand has been a Gaelic Irish symbol for hundreds of years before it was hijacked.
J_Friel so was the Green and white strips before Glasgow Celtic hijacked it.
Its the red hand of Hugh o neill .irish cheiftain family .that was there well before the ulster plantation.
Hijacking the red hand of ulster is a bit extreme. People just get easily offended. Political point scoring. It's a symbol for all to be proud of our country.
Am I right in saying some youth team is trying to adopt the Belfast Celtic name?
A bit like saint patricks day hijacked by republicans.
David Willis how is it hijacked?
Compliments on the accuracy of this.
But was one of the 'gunman' @1:23 Cillian Murphy's fictional character Damien from the film 'The Wind that shakes the Barley' ? :D
I suppose Belfast Celtic fans switched over to Glasgow Celtic?
Pokephosgene Yeah thats what my grandad did
Of course,but we will not be intimidated..Hail Hail.
Quite a lot did. Many reverted to GAA and never went back
Wel said mate
@@paulb1912 what a prick you are.
Thank you for posting this, I was totally ignorant about this previously.
My great grandfather played for the first Celtic team to win the league, great video. As for the ending of the club, unfortunately it wasnt as straight forward as sectarianism forcing the club to leave football. That was certainly the excuse, but it wasnt the reason.
I met the great Jimmy Jones a few years before he died. Jimmy returned to football after his leg break and scored plenty of goals for Glenavon. He was a protestant which angered the Linfield fans.
I understand that you tried to impart as much knowledge as possible in a short video, but it was a very complex story. Great video but, go raibh mile maith agat.
Patsy Dorrian happy to report that this is part 1 of a 4-part series, so far more information will be imparted over the course of the next 4-weeks. Thank you for your feedback, it's genuinely appreciated.
uMAXit Football More than welcome, the Belfast Celtic society are there as well and theyll impart as much info as possible. If you have time, contact PĂĄdraig Coyle, his book on the club is excellent.
Patsy Dorian hey Patsy, what was your grandfather's name and how old is he?
Harsh Gorasia Joe Dorrian, long since dead.
Jimmy Jones was at linfield before belfast celtic,linfield didn't want him,if celtic were so great,how come linfield had won more trophies, trouble followed belfast celtic were ever they went,if they were in the league today,Belfast would be a battle ground every week,linfield did have catholics on there team,it wasnt until the start of the troubles catholics wouldn't play for linfield. Cliftonville are the modern day belfast celtic,it use to be distillery before there ground was burnt down . linfield were banned from playing at solitude after the 1971 irish cup final between linfield v Ballymena, as solitude is in the middle of a Catholic area,linfield now play there,but you have to follow strict guidelines to go,you have to go to Windsor park,be a member, and travel by bus,because it's not safe to travel on your own.
Great videos on Northern Ireland at the minute loving the great content
This is sad... Amazing video btw. I loved it.
Facinating history, growing up as an English kid we have been tought absolutely nothing about Ireland as though it didn't exist, also when i was young a scotsman wanted to know my religious interests and i had know idea why, this could have been dangerous for me, luckily I think he realised my naivety and didn't persu it.
My great granda played on the first league winning team. Sad that the club is gone, and won't be back.
Thanks to James I for all this and what has gone/went on before and since.
That's the Glasgow Celtic "Lisbon Lions" 1966/1967 European Cup Winners team you used in this. 5:06
2:26 hahaha "tee-shaw"
I appreciate the enthusiasm. Taoiseach is pronounced "Tee-shock".
Brilliant and very informative video as usual.
Former LFC great goalkeeper Elisha Scott once played for Linfield before he went on to play for LFC for 22 year's. Then when he retired in the game he became Belfast Celtic FC manager and won league titles for them when they where challenging league titles with Linfield.
LFC Legend Unluckyyy Lucas He played for them too.
Patsy Dorrian I know mate Elisha Scott was probably best Gk in his career.
Elisha Scott had an injured back due to the fact that he had to keep bending to pick the ball out of net after Everton's Dixie Dean scored yet against him
At last a football fan who does know his history, welldone
My granda's brother played for Belfast Celtic(Bobby Ferguson). I have a nice team picture of the squad. Hard looking bunch of guys! My 90 yr. old dad gave me the pic
I wish history was formatted this way
I just love to watch the tatics explained videos of this channel. I was wondering if you could please do the same for the famous 7-1 defeat of Brazil against Germany at the World Cup stating what were Brazil's mistakes and what they could have done about it.
Hoping to see more such tactics videos in future. :)
Sujaan Chakraborty we are planning a World Cup build up, we can certainly put this game into the hat for consideration. Thanks for the support.
uMAXit Football Thanks for replying.
This topic has kept me thinking for a long time now without a complete answer. Please see to it that you do cover this match. You may take your time.
And lastly keep on doing the good work. I really appreciate it. :)
That team were unprepared for German tactics and fell apart emotionally. They thought they could go along playing their normal game, in an outdated formation that offered no threat going forward against modern European tiki-taka sides, sans Neymar, with a sub par player in his role and trying to find Fred as the target man (which had been unsuccessful throughout the tournament). Fred being unable to hold up the ball against physically superior defenders to his accustomed Brazilian domestic league counterparts. Defensively, they were completely unprepared to fill the role of Thiago SIlva, as David Luiz lacks his leadership and tactical awareness, he was asked to fill the role as field general, but was more interested in his famous dashing runs up the pitch as the "modern libero" he seems to believe in his mind he is. Leaving a vast amount of space behind and an inadequate replacement in Fernandinho to fill his spot. The velocity-challenged Dante essentially replaced David Luiz as David Luiz shifted into the Thiago Silva role. The German players were familiar with Dante, who had never impressed at Bayern, and his limits in marking and decision-making, especially in the faster paced European games. With each goal, their response was to further push forward, desperately attempting to recover a goal, leaving more space for the Germans to thread passes between the disjointed lines of their midfield and defense. After the 3rd goal, players looked to Scolari, who had no tactical response, seemingly pulling on his own hair, rubbing his bald head. The coaching staff had no one available, due to suspension or injury, able to spark the team offensively or shore up the back line. Hence, no change had been made to the team and no obvious tactical change in formation in an attempt to stop conceding before half time. The fourth goal and subsequent fifth came so quickly, exposing the same exact disorganization and unwillingness to change their marking to a more man on man system, that again neither the team nor coaching staff had any response. Their zonal system was exposed and not even the players recognized a change had been necessary. Quite possibly, Scolari had never even practiced different marking systems with the team, as he had always been so sure about his marking scheme, which had been torn apart at Chelsea and led to him losing the locker room during his brief stint in the EPL. You could see the desperation in the players body language and the coaches' inability to even attempt to continue barking orders to the players. At half time the game was over. They all knew it. Unlike Scolari's 2002 team, the 2014 team was built around 2 players, the defensive line was held and controlled by Thiago Silva and all creativity and danger had gone through Neymar before his injury. He was unable to foresee or even comprehend that he would lose his 2 key players during the tournament. Loew's plan was to move the ball quickly, hold a high line (with no Neymar, no speed in the attack) and use the willingness of the Brazilian defenders to go forward in order to expose the space behind them and the subpar defending midfielders who would replace them. The further Brazil got behind, the further they pressed up the pitch and the faster the Germans pushed their attacks. Leading up to the Cup Scolari had shown an inability to adapt in game and to offer a Plan B. That would be his undoing, as he had no one creative in the middle of the pitch (he preferred two pitbulls since Neymar was responsible for all creativity), and he left some more gifted center backs, great box-to-box midfielders and more creative attacking players at home, never once calling them in to train with his squad. Goes to show, that as a manager, even a year out of the game can leave a coach a decade behind in in game tactics.
Sujaan Chakraborty David Luiz was the main culprit
John Carlos not bad
The red hand repersents gaelic ireland not Protestants
Great video.
To go off on a tangent... it amazes me that football went on for nearly 100 years without substitutions. A player gets injured and you have to play the match with 10 men?? Insane
My great great grandfather played for them as a goalkeeper, he wasnât even 5â5!
My grandad used to support Belfast Celtic. He's now 90.
smsflemingsf does he support glasgow celtic now?
@@calumchurch3249 Honestly I don't think he does. He stated that he only ever supported one team and it was Belfast Celtic. He's not much of a football fan anyway. More boxing and pigeon fancying đ. I support Glasgow Celtic however đźđȘ
smsflemingsf i do too. hail hailđ
Are you from Ireland cus if so would you support Belfast Celtic instead of Glasgow
@@sahibbhadal yeah, probably.
Wish u could be talked a bit about coleraine fc who are a northern irish team in this video they're my local team Would be been so cool but anyway nice vidđđ
Belfast Celtic are soon to be reborn in the non league of Northern Irish football. Maybe one day they can rise again. They kind of live on, in spirit, with Donegal Celtic but that's it pretty much
It will never happen, Cliftonville are the team that catholics follow now,a new belfast celtic would need to be successful before catholics from West belfast start supporting them,donegal celtic tried,but failed.
Belfast celtic grew out of the area they came from like linfield, distillery, look at Cliftonville before 1969,they did nothing, they had no support, they maybe the oldest football club in Ireland, but that's it.
Distillery now play in Lisburn, they were the first club in Ireland to have floodlights, they had a great history until the start of the troubles, you don't see anyone from West belfast supporting them anymore.and they have a better history than Cliftonville.
It was a shame that Belfast Celtic had to leave the league and let's not forget Distillery who had to leave their ground as it was attacked and burned to the ground during the Troubles
Another interesting club that died...or murdered by their chairman was Third Lanark in Glasgow. Their stadium is now a park and you can still see bits of the old terracing.
Ah yes thank you for reminding me of Third Lanark.
The red hand is not a protestant symbol
Theyâre stupid enough to think it is
It goes back long before the english came to ireland. Its origins and meaning is unknown but dates back to pagan times
Hello there Sean, could you possibly please refer me to a source where it states the red hand of Ulster is a symbol of Catholicism? I mean, by you using "not a protestant symbol" you must be stating it is a symbol of Catholicism, and if so, Id very much appreciate if you could back this claim up, would it be possible to find red hands of ulster carved within the walls of the Vatican by any chance?
@@shanegallagher6916 and you're rather stupid enough to believe the troubles is a solely matter of Protestants Vs Catholics. Please seek an education Emmet, you might learn something.
Sean Ă Cuinn I havent stated anywhere the troubles where solely a catholic and protestant conlfict nor has anyone stated it is a catholic symbol
This channel is absolutely remarcable!
Can we not just say it was just a holding company that died, and that clubs can't really die? It can be almost true if we get enough to keep repeating it.
Over in Scotland the protestant team recently died
kyle quincy itâs all about the rangers
kyle quincy ya feen
Rangers still exist ...
Rangers arenât Protestant.
Rangers are protestant. HH ten in a row. Cause it's a Grand auld team to play for.
Any chance of doing one on Distillery FC, Belfast?
Distillery the forgotten team,ground burnt down by there own fans,had to play at crusaders Seaview, now play in Lambeg just outside Lisburn
@@hotredhandluke1 Burnt out by their own fans, really?
Nothing more foul than a Linfield fan.
Derry City had to leave the irish league as well. They actually play now in the league of Ireland
I don't know if Tifo have done follow up posts to this and I'm sure people in northern Ireland know this already but for any one else interested, I looked up Belfast Celtic on Google and quite recently in the news a team called Sport and Leisure Swifts in a joint move with Donegal Celtic are to become a team called Belfast Celtic. Does anyone know much about this?
Yes,there have been a few teams over the years that have used the name celtic,donegal celtic,Lurgan celtic,as it is for Glasgow celtic, a Catholic football club,check out linfield v donegal celtic,a club that got about 100 people at there games took 4,000 to Windsor park,followed by a riot.thats what belfast celtic would bring to the irish league
What a fuckin video this is, is right fellas cant wait for the next few x
Do one on glentoran
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Heavy.
Why have the Lisbon Lions highlighted and not mention the connection?
Sport & Leisure were trying to rename this season to Belfast Celtic I think. Guess that got blocked somewhere down the line.
Wow Violence can go too far sometimes
Why are you using the red hand as a proddy symbol? its not at all.
@Jack The Film Fanatic no shit dumbass
This only happens in football in northern ireland because its the only team sport that both sections of the community play,it wouldn't happen in GAA sports Gaelic football and hurling or rugby for example though less so in rugby,because they are largely confined to one section of the community less so rugby ,but the GAA is almost exclusively played by catholics.
This is proper history. I'm not Irish or British but I hope Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland can unite and become 1 strong peaceful nation after reconciliation which in my opinion they should be. I'm sure the hatred for the Queen and imperialism will fade from the South once Britain leave the Northern shores of Ireland. The national football team and club football would benefit too there.
@Jack The Film Fanatic I totally would understand the fears of the North, especially when there will always be a small but noticable number of dickheads who'll over celebrate unity by causing trouble and overwhelming the Ulster men with intimidation which could spark danger in the streets again.
Never thought John Costello would pop up in a football video
1:00 - the drawings are of tommys lot from peaky blinders XD
Everyone dressed like that back then
Thomas Shelby at 0:57
Belfast Celtic has now reformed
Jesus christ i never even knew this
someone should restart the team
I'm not sure that Northern Ireland is ready for that yet.
Harry Strong The north of Ireland. Wont happen anyways. Firstly, the fan base has since turned to either Celtic or the GAA. And secondly, there would be nowhere for the club to return to as the grounds are long since a supermarket
Don't be silly mate of course it is.
There's a club called Belfast Celtic Young Men that was founded in 2013, same badge (roughly)
Buk Lau Great group of lads, had the pleasure of training with them a few times, but im a crap footballer. They are a credit to the community of West Belfast.
Good video anyone a crusader fan
Belfast Celtic for the Win. Guys got bullied out. They were the best. Jimmy Jones just wanted to play football.
Yes, there was a lot more going on than stated in the video, good as it is.
Referees were allowing serious violent play against Belfast Celtic, without consequence. I.E. allowing other teams to assault players on the park.
Wow...I mean imagine if Rangers fans would break a leg of a Celtic player because he is a Protestant ....
i wouldn't since celtic fans are catholic
I mean as in if a Protestant player from Glasgow plays for them Ranger fans wouldn't beat him up...
A celtic goalkeeper was killed in a Rangers v celtic game,I have been to many old firm games,and there is trouble after everyone of them,the difference between Scotland and Northern Ireland is,the Scottish think of football as a profitable business, thats why football in northern Ireland is part time
Most of celtics best players were Rangers fans,Kenny Dalglish, Danny mcgrain, alfie conn and mo Johnstone played for both clubs
Glasgow celtic goalkeeper John Thomas was killed in an old firm game when he got kicked in the head,the Rangers team was assaulted by hibs fans after a recent Scottish cup final,James tavernier was assaulted by a hibs fan at easter road last season.
Hearing Traitors call somebody a traitor
Huh I thought George best played for them in late stage of career
2:26 Taoiseach is pronounced like the words 'tea' and 'shook', not "Teeshaw".
Belfast Celtic beat Scotland in a friendly .
Celtic and rangers have lots of fans in Northern Ireland . It would be good to have some cross border cups between Too division sides In Scotland, Wales , England and both Irish leagues . Like an improved version of the irn bru cup.
There is a cup,the Scottish challenge cup
Yeh belfast celtic did beat Scotland, but they lost the next game to a part time Swedish side,not much news about that
So seeing how it the Celtic/Rangers Derby Celtic is the supports the Republic of Ireland and Irish Independence and Rangers the crown/UK parliament dose Celtic have any roots or fans transplant in their selves from Belfast Celtic to the Scottish Celtic ?
It's actually the other way around, Celtic FC were formed before Belfast Celtic.
The name Belfast Celtic is taken from Celtic FC.
www.thecelticwiki.com/page/Belfast+Celtic
Belfast Celtic's aim was to "imitate their Scottish counterparts in style, play and charity".
RossKC no what I am asking is the reason Celtic's fans base is so pro-Irish and Catholic is it because the fact after Belfast dissolved those fans went back to support Celtic
No, lots of Irish immigrants have moved to Scotland (including my family and many others). Celtic was formed to raise funds and feed the poor (majorly Irish Catholic) in Glasgow's East End. It then became the club for Irish immigrants in Glasgow (like Hibernian in Edinburgh).
Celtic FC and Belfast Celtic were good friends and shared supporters though.
Do one on Glentoran, please.
Glentoran lol,they have no history, Vienna cup,draw against juventus,there,thats the history of glentoran.
Can you make one about 1983 at the Baseball Ground when Derby fans spilled onto the pitch and attacked the Fulham players?
Up the rams
why are the players in the drawings glasgow celtic players?
I have a problem here though, why isnât the Belfast Catholics not denoted with the red hand? And also against a yellow background, well now, thatâs offensive. Apart from that minor discrepancy, lovely little video cheers
the red hand never has represented Ulster, the reason it is on the Ulster province flag is to represent the O'Neill clan, unionists seem to think it was a symbol of Ulster and renamed it the red hand of Ulster, history gone mad.
The red hand with a yellow background on a plaque, is the provincial flag of ulster,the flag that represents the 9 countries of ulster,the white background flag with the Queens crown,represents the 6 county province of northern Ireland, it's not offensive to protestants.
That Religion and the Historic Political issues moved from Eireland to Glasgow and West Central Scotland in the early 1800s and has never been fixed.
That's because 33% of the Irish immigrants were Ulster protestants, who brought their flutes and drums and attitudes with them. They wanted a team that they could support and chose Rangers. Because they all lived in Govan and had good jobs in the shipyards. Hence the anti catholic signing policy, and hatred. Prior to that both teams and their fans had a very good relationship.
Finally the police and judicial system are addressing the issue, begining to anyway.
Everyone except the SFA condemns the sectarian poison. Because the SFA are historically guilty of the same behaviour and attitudes.
@@jimibhoy8935 Spot on mate. There are less and less ''staunch'' personality's in positions of power and influence, but still enough to cause some trouble, and with Society in the West/Central areas of Scotland now joining the modern world of 2021. A large number of Bears are becoming more angry that it's not still 1872.
Sectarianism is NOT a two Club/sets of fans issue. It is and always has been a one Club and one set of fans issue.
Every time this bigotry is brought up in debate within Scottish Football media/journalism, they always, without exception, bring Celtic into the discussion because they cannot just come clean and criticise the rangers publicly, hold them to account or they'll feel wrath of the hidden hand and lose their gig.
@@Daviebhoy25cfc 100% on the money Davie.
It's institutional, always has been. Glasgow was the perfect city for the 33% of Irish immigrants. Before the famine there were only around 20 Catholics living in Glasgow. There were around 34 anti catholic organisations within the city. Not anti Irish, anti Catholic. Incredible!!
So Glasgow was just the right kind of place, where their hatred would be nourished, encouraged and protected.
Changed days indeed, and you can hear the kicking and screaming loud and clear.
"Culture" change, very much required. Maybe they should start going to museums, art galleries and the opera, instead of hating.
Line the recognition for NI!
(Even if it's not great recognition...)
WW2 happening
Irenland's: Footy
we werent part of the war our taoiseach stayed neutral so we just acted as tho nothin was going on
Wait Red Cards were back then?
Gardi Mönkh-Ochir no but there went sent offs
What is more popular in Northern Ireland, Football or Gaelic Football?
Nelkenheini Hupenkoter football
Nelkenheini Hupenkoter depends where you are
Nelkenheini Hupenkoter outside of antrim and down the GAA is more popular and vise versa
CĂŽte de Poyais everywhere outside of Antrim Gaa is bigger. GAA is twice the size at least of soccer. Including down
I am a rival fan of Linfield and I hate them cuz they donât stop winning fucking leagues (53 titles and I support Crusaders FC)
Ngl by the title I thought it was fans with guns killing the whole team
Before football is a mature sport
Football is a mature sport? Is that why so many players lay on the ground crying after a tap on the shoulder?
I know your comment is 8 months old.
That is the Royal Navy flag not the Northern Irish flag.
WalnutCSGO Yes it does-
AmethĐžst its not an official flag it's complicated
lol I live in Northern Ireland and people in the comments talking shit no nothing about the problems in NI
Yes I know what you mean,I was at a linfield v Cliftonville game at Windsor park, and there was a handgranade thrown,at the time I thought it was a banger,did realise until I got home and it was on the news,lol
Most Protestant Unionists in Northern Ireland donât even know their own history so they donât know shit either.
They reformed
Religion has no place in the world nevermind football. Gives people a reason to fight over pointless matters
Well made video but the minute you use the red hand of Ulster to depict a protestant identity you expose your lack of research. There are lots of symbols that uniquely represent loyalists, the red hand is not one of them. Loyalists use the red hand (often with the crown of England placed on top) to show their dominion over those who originally invented it.
@Jack The Film Fanatic Did you know that the symbol was invented solely to establish political bragging rights by the native people of the province (9 counties not 6). Any attempt to rewrite the history of us Gaels is unwelcome.
Why Glentoran have a French sentences "Le jeu avant tout" in their logo ?
Belfast Celtic thrashed Scotland on their tour in America.
So what ?
my bedroom when i was a kid looks out on the ground, we came back once could we do it again ?
Get rid of religion and people are still going to find reasons to fight "IN THE NAME OF THE ALMIGHTY SCIENCE"
martypython not really coz science is one thing all following the scientific method the problem with religion is all religions believe that they and only they are right were in science one will be proven until it is disproven
Theres another team called Belfast Celtic Young Men
They are way way way down the northern irish football pyramid, my local club played them last season and beat them like 4-0 (i think) so not where they once where
That's sad, why some peoples are so pathetic...
The team, like Glasgow Celtic (1888), were formed by Irish republican catholics, for Irish republican catholics in a time of great sectarian tensions in Ireland and Scotland. Its a bit like a Shia football team being formed in Riyadh or a Sunni team being formed in Tehran. The formation of such a teams was bound to cause tensions. I'm not trying to back one side or the other but this film is very biased. It would have the world believe that the team was bullied to death by vile Protestants. This was the time of the first world war, the irish rebellion, the irish civil war, the partition of Ulster and world war two (remember, Ireland was one of only two counties in the world that sent an official telegram to Germany offering Ireland's sorrow to the German government on the death of Adolf Hitler). So, you forgot to mention the context which, in this case is absolutely vital. Here in Glasgow, even to this day, people are being killed and horribly injured after Celtic v Rangers matches all in the name of irish sectarian rivalry that harks back to the 17th century! This film is commenting on social, political and religious problems that generations of UK politicians have been too cowardly to tackle and yet you speak about it in a simplistic way and try to imply blame to one community. Here in the west of Scotland, we have separate schools for catholics and protestants. We have Irish republican bands parading in the streets of Glasgow followed by parades a week later by the Orange Lodge. We recently had smoke bombs, violence in the streets and priests being spat at all because of sectarianism. The film needs a bit of political balance.
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That strong supporter base with a lot stupid people inside is killing the game.
Mental how Glaswegian clubs just copy this rivalry
MsJobbyjabber they didnât copy it, it was due to sectarianism. Glasgow was divided into Catholic and Protestant areas and that was reflected on the cities clubs. They didnât go out of their was to start a sectarian rivalry.
Thankfully Jack Grealish, Paul McShane and Declan Rice didn't live in that era.