Ireland: Europe's Appendix
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- Ireland is more than that once-a-year holiday, leprechauns, and Guinness. It may actually be Europe's true savior.
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"Free markets will solve this!"
"So...can we buy cheap grain from America to feed ourselves?"
"No, that's too free"
There's was also a lot of racism throwed in there: "Irish are failing because they are naturally drunk and lazy, if they work hard they would take themselves out of poverty".
Freedom isn't free, you know
@@heavystalin2419 and what I'm supposed to pay it with, money? Checkmate, my command-economy friend xd
@@besacciaesteban Then pay with your blood!
*Oblivion batle theme intensifies*
Wow, so mot free market at all xD
I knew I should have asked to review your script before agreeing to be part of this. That Bono joke....
come on that's grand
Wasn't expecting to see you here.
also have you started pronouncing Qatar correctly yet?
Real Engineering I pray to you, and your glory every morning...Answer my prayers
Love your channel!!
Sure, the withholding of aid from Ireland might not, in and of itself, constitute genocide. But, Charles Trevelyan, the person in charge of administering aid to Ireland when it finally came, absolutely refused to do anything about the mass exportation of foodstuffs, because he believed that the Irish were lazy, that God had sent the blight to teach them a lesson, and that it was his job to make sure they learned it. He was very clearly aware of what he was doing when he ordered extra troops to port cities, expecting there to be riots over food.
Most importantly, though, any aid he did make available to the starving people was only administered with the caveat that the poor Catholics had to convert to Protestantism to receive it. He literally tried to starve the Catholic out of Ireland. If I’m reading the definition correctly, knowingly imposing conditions with the intent to destroy or convert a religious group ABSOLUTELY falls under genocide.
This. There was an effort by parts of the british government to use the aid given to transform the irish into a more "english" subject, which is targeted cultural destruction, which counts as genocide.
He's just one person though. It was mostly by accident basically. Gross mismanagement but I doubt it was intentional.
I believe it was intentional!!!
Also, it was a potato blight. They had food, but were mainly only allowed to eat potatoes as a crop - the rest was taken. People starved next to productive fields.
Actually they blockaded not only aid but trade there was an entire sea blockade on the entire country they wanted to get rid of the irish speakers
6:35
"It gets confusing with multiple titles"
_Laughs in Crusader Kings 2_
Marc Nassif id love to see him play CK2
Febreeze he plays Civ...
@@archdukefranzferdinand567 ugh...
Laughs in "King Robert of the house Baratheon, first of his name, king of the Andals, the Rhoynar and First Men, Lord of The Seven Kingdoms and Protector of the Realm
Aaaaaand sacrifice to Odin.
If Ireland is the appendix, the Netherlands is the kidney, keeping all the water out. the other kidney is called Belgium, but that one works only for 50%
And Italy's the big schlong with Sardinia and Corsica the testicles 😂😂😂
I wonder then, who gets pissed on?
@@heronimousbrapson863 Greece
It's actually just *free real estate*
Hunty Baby nah Norway/Sweden is the cock and Finland is the balls
Ireland: **exists**
England: *_it’s free real estate_*
Even As a true Guinness chugging leprechaun
Das still a spicy meataball
... Britain (Celtic Britons = Welsh, Picts, Cumbrian's, Cornish, Britons of Ystrad Clud etc.) : Exists
The Roman Empire : More free land
Anglo-Saxons : Free land
Vikings : Free land and slaves
Normans : Free country, oh and Ireland too!
Ireland : OMG we're such victims!
elink1 wow that’s true, never thought of that 🤔 thank you for giving me another perspective
That's a funny way of saying "I'm going to Oppress these people"
Roman_Valdax
OwO
"Things just got way worse"
Ah yes, most of Irish history in a nutshell
An American journalist put it this way, "The life of an Irishman is a long string of misery rudely interrupted by occasional bouts of good fortune." Same goes for the country/s.
@@stephenwright8824 can confirm
“Come on, Great Britain, we know you really don’t want to do it.”
Well, that didn’t age well.
My will to live didn't age well too.
They really didnt want to but were way going would just be awkward
We didn’t.
A minority of the population did.
Many of them have now died (they voted to British Empire back).
Many now regret it because they realise they were totally lied to.
Just a few noisy, forelock tuggers now support the billionaires’ plan to burn down the economy and turn it into a cheap Labour, no safety net sweatshop.
@@TesterAnimal1 Okay but then they voted for the Conservative Party with a Pro-Brexit leader, so in later elections the majority still voted for conditions that were Euro-skeptic. Also your English doesn't sound native so you might want to back away from that "we"
@@TesterAnimal1 a smaller minority wanted to remain. It's called democracy :)
You forgot about the Cromwellian Conquest of Ireland in which the English Parliament killed 10% of Ireland’s population. Great video though
Gaming Templar 40% at the highest
@@---675 I mean someone worked for him.. He didnt do whatever he did on his own with his bare hands.. now I have no idea what exactly you guys talk about, but that doesnt make the Statement less true... I think.
And dont get me wrong. I partially I agree, but you also cant blame it on one person alone. You also have to somewhat consider his goons.
@@---675 Stupid oaf, you clearly know nothing about the history of Ireland. Cromwell was a hero
@@---675 Cromwell was sent to Ireland by the Crown. He didn't pop over for a dirty weekend with the lads.
@@---675 Read a book called "Cromwell. An Honourable Enemy" This is written by Tom Reilly an Irish historian and with an Irish perspective
You capitalized the specific epithet, 0/10
JK, I think this is your best video yet! Loved all the cameos, too!
TierZoo TierZoo
So... Ireland server review any time soon
It only split from the great Britain server a couple patches ago. Needs a little more time to get truly interesting, although I'm sure there is something broken in there somewhere - isolated island metas are always crazy.
There are no snakes so birds in the Irish meta probably chill on the ground rather then high in trees. Look at the new Zealand meta shift after the human players developed paid server transfers and unscrupulous snakes found their way onto a server that had never encountered a snake before. Those poor kakapos.
So much pk.
There used to be much cooler creatures on the Irish meta. Google the Irish Elk and you'll see an example. Or even better: the Dobhar-chú, a really cool cryptid build.
There were no snakes in Ireland, when Patrick said he had rid the Island of snakes. He meant the druids, their symbol was a snake.......hmmmmm...lol
joel ferguson no, it was a literal snake. Also, how could the Druids have a unified symbol if they were the antithesis of unity. Patrick was from Wales where there are very little snakes, but they still exist. So he knew that Snakes existed as opposed to the Irish.... including the druids.
I assert that it was the pagan Gods of Ireland St Patrick got rid of, and the popular image of casting them into the sea is purely symbolic.
@Warmessage No, he's a Saint.
@@danielgallagher4884 *very few.* Oh damnit, you Millennials will never learn!
@Warmessage Agreed,says this Irish-American atheist who grew up as an old cloth Protestant. Though it is true that he's recognised as a saint by both Catholics and Protestants in Ireland.
Charles Trevelyan thought the Famine would be a lesson to reform the Irish - making a rustic, village-centric people - careless freeloaders, as he saw them - earn their food the way he wanted them to in an Anglicized market-paradise.
The English leaders at the time supported this and cut back aid accordingly, setting up intentionally inhumane workhouses and famine roads that only gave a pittance to support a large family, forcing the Irish to continue exporting even as they starved, requiring them to give up their little land to get any aid at all, banning imports from other countries (the Americans and the Ottomans, for example), not to mention the land division/absentee and tenant farming, revocation of Catholic rights, and open economic discrimination they'd instilled for centuries that led to the famine's devastation in the first place. All of Europe that was hit by the blight was hungry, but only Ireland starved. When the English (who had been trying to keep it quiet) finally did decide to help (only after a global outcry, mind you), it was too little, too late.
Skeletons wandered the countryside, evicted from their homes, while grain still grew and salmon still swam. Thanks to Anglicization, they were without the knowledge they once had of the land that might have let them survive. Thanks to laissez-faire, they starved in a land of plenty. I call that intent to destroy a culture.
So it's more of an indirect genocide than a traditional one.
Sounds similar to what happen to China's Great Leap Forward? (starvation due to too much resources diverted to exports)
The whig philosophy that refused aid to non working or tenant Irish was reflected i n the Thatcher/Reagan philosophy in the 1980s. You cannot reward someone who is not trying. The fact that they and their families are starving and too weak to work cannot be taken into account. There are records of English politicians and civil servants struggling with this mindset, but the current, even today, general belief is of a slacker class that needs a boot up the arse to pull themselves up by their bootlaces. hence the 19890s Tory goverment believed that mining and industrial areas they had devastated had their salvation within and needed no goverment intervention to find new ways to employ people.
That last one is really important to me. Part of why I'm an Irish language revivalist is because of that unique knowledge that comes with it.
If one has an irish vocabulary, they know what fish are edible, what kelp on the shore is edible, what plants and roots are edible by cultural knowledge and hints in the language.
@@Gwestytears that’s not a genocide then.
Based on your description of how Irish monasteries preserved Classical texts during the Dark Ages, this video really ought to be titled "Ireland: Europe's Off-Site Backup".
On reading this I just spat tea all over myself. Hilarious :)
lol much like how the appendix backs up our gut bacteria?
Maybe that's kind of ironic considering that there are so many data centers being built in Ireland, since the tech companies are going to hide their for tax reasons
The Vatican has secret second library there
@@Laotzu.Goldbug Oh crap, I forgot about that...
"The Germans supporting an independence movement against the United Kingdom in the middle of a world war? That's unheard of". -KB, 2018
Best thing they did during this era.
Probably the only good thing they did lol!
Even then it was a half assed attempt at goodness.
Naw seriously tho. Our vested interested laid with America. That's our children's
I flicked through the comments and read that exactly as he said it
"free market capitalism will fix this"
"also you have to import everything through england youre not free to import directly to your own market"
"You also have to export everything you make to England and then buy it back off a man who gets it because his grandfather made the old king laugh."
I think he does not understand what capitalism is
Exactly! True capitalism would of actually solved this
Exactly. He blames capitalism as a failure here when English govenment clearly had a HEAVY hand in limiting what the individual could do.
@@psemek8000 "cuck"
And that fucking name too! ahahahaha what a gobshite
Just as a note, The King of England declared himself King of Ireland back in 1177, but Ireland was far from invaded by the Normans, they actually only took the south east corner which they soon lost again. It wasn't until the flight of the earls, in 1607 that England actually had finally invaded Ireland, and held it for 300 (very troublesome) years.
@msmissy6888 Whatever, that doesn't excuse centuries of colonial rule and potential genocide.
"You probably think that the appendix is just a ticking time bomb in your body." No, I think it's the part of a book where there's a list of where specific terms are used in the book, usually at the very back.
I thought that's what he meant when I saw this recommended to me tbh
I think one of my books has had it's appendix removed.
No, an appendix is an additional section to a book, whereas what you were describing is in fact an index.
Oh drat, you're right. I got my terms mixed up.
I'm 100% Irish and I endorse using the sterotype as an excuse to get drunk.
But still like, drink responsibly.
Or dont
When the Irish say "Drink responsibly" what they mean is don't feckin spell it.
I’m 63% Irish but I’m American🗿🗿🗿
I'm from boston so I think I might have a different perspective here, People are obsessed with being Irish here and it's super annoying having to deal with those people, they act all Irish on St.Patrick's day and use it to justify drinking, like the bit in the beginning, over here there is also this notion of and "Irish family" Catholic, big, always eating potatoes. I don't know it might just be me, My dad's from Belfast and I think him growing up in the troubles and telling me about it since I was young and visiting relatives changed my perspective on it.
JaDa sPiCy ChEeSe Americans come from Europe
"Noone wants to be known as the genocide channel"
Everyone with Adolf Hitler accounts: am I a joke to you?
Stalin: yes
Oh btw, Lucky Charms are completely American. Never seen or heard of them here in Ireland and only heard about them first from a Simpsons joke.
Also loved the People's Republic of Cork reference at the end.
I saw them in Tesco once with a bunch of American imports. Literally nowhere else and they still feel like a myth.
Get some, they're good next time you get the chance.
Damn first a famine and not having luck charms? Sad sad world
@@debleb166 I grew up with them in the supermarkets. If only they _were_ a myth. Besides the overly sweet marshmallows, they taste like soup crackers. Or something just as bland.
I'm pretty sure the only people that think Lucky Charms are Irish are little kids. Common sense
Hey look- I'm in a vid on The Genocide Channel !
Gosh you're cute. Also knowledgeable. I have the apparently-rare capacity to appreciate both at once.
I think so... what is it to be alive? Uploads on main channel coming soon!
Per Merriam-Webster, Life is defined as: a principle or force that is considered to underlie the distinctive quality of animate beings.
Per Psychology, they're more like "I-unno, there's no clear definition."
Keep in mind that even with the potato blight, Ireland was producing enough food to feed about double its population, but the food continued to be exported for English profit under armed guard while the Irish starved. It still doesn't make it a genocide but it's artificial to blame it on blight.
Slappy the clown transportation back then wasn't easy on little country roads. Remember this was 1845. Ireland TODAY is pretty much just a bunch of farmland excluding the majority of Dublin, Galway City, Cork City, and Limerick City. Back then they were so miniscule that they were practically towns. Do imagine trying to bring fish from one side of the country to the middle in a 3rd world neglected country.
Neil Barrett it was a genocide 1840s Never forgive never forget
Neil Barrett It. Was. Genocide.
Slappy the clown it's kinda hard to spread it around all of Ireland when everyone is starving and broke and the British were taking the majority of our food
@Slappy the clown From elizabethan times and right through the penal era also Irish ( catholic) ownership or captaincy of fishing vessels was outlawed. Simply put, it was illegal and you could be hanged or shot on sight for stealing and tresspassing. By the early 1800s and with the penal laws being relaxed a revival in the fishing industry was literally blown out of the water by a series of anti competition laws passed by Peel which effectively and deliberately ruined much of the countrys indigenous industry to ensure Irish companies and artisans did not compete with British capital - fisheries , manufacturing , glass making etc - all were deliberately ruined by the British administrations. Harbours and boats also were either delibertaely not built or let fall into complete disrepair .
On the foreshore the landlords owned everything . For example seaweed - commonly referred to as rack -which was used as a fertiliser along the coastline was even the landlords property which peasants had to pay for - hence the term rack renting landlord . If you had to pay them for the feckin seaweed you damn sure had to cough up for fish too . Even rabbits running wild were claimed as their property .
The fact is also some public spirited landlords and property owners attempted to introduce schemes were labourers would be paid a living wage for upgrading not only harbours but also draining bogland in an attempt to turn it into arable ground which would permit more food to be produced . The British outlawed that move as well , and instead ensured they were put to the work houses carrying out completely pointless back breaking work that was of no benefit to anyone whilst not being given sufficient food to sustain life . Thats precisely what happened in auschwitz to a great many others - Irish inmates in British work camps were worked and starved to death by an administration that knew precisely what it was doing .
It was a deliberate genocide . It wasnt just capitalism but British imperialism in Ireland which was fully responsible for the deliberate mass starvation of a population in a country full of food . Had there been a famine most of the country would have died . There was without question or doubt no famine in Ireland.
You missed out the really cool bit about Marcel Wallace's briefcase though, they are not just any diamonds, they are the ones that Mr Pink fucks off with at the end of Reservoir Dogs (it's a shared universe, Vic and Vince Vega are brothers)
...and now you know better :)
Nice
Is there actually any statement that confirms this? I only see it as a theory from fans.
I liked the video, although, little misconception.
When the Spanish's ships wrecked into the Irish coast almost all the survivors were executed by the English.
The ones that did excape execution were smuggled out to Scotland since, as you pointed out, Ireland was under English rule who was protestant but Scotland was Catholic, just like the Spanish and the Irish.
I never get WHY OH WHY people attribute "black irish" to a mixing with Spanish since you have heaps of Spanish who are blonde, or ginger too, and let's not forget that Spainsh people, just like the French are MAINLY a mixture of Celtic and Germanic.
The Celts arrives in the Spanish peninlusa WAY before they landed in Ireland, as a matter of fact, they travelled to Ireland FROM the northern coast of Spain.
Europe is a but mess of inter-mixing. You can't pin-point one country and say these people look like this first cuz of the inter-mixing and second because the borders of each country changes A LOT overtime.
There have actually been artefacts from the Spanish Armada found off the Irish coast, but I agree there was too few to really affect the gene pool.
They were executed as the bloody well should have been. Had the Spanish successfully invaded England, one can only imagine the horror and bloodshed that would have ensued.
Bubblegum woah, very incorrect. The Scottish were Calvinist, not Catholic, while the Irish were full on Catholic even though they were under control of Protestants. Scotland hadn’t been Catholic for a while and there were wars between Scotland and England over Scotland’s turn to Protestantanism.
i dont know about the other stuff so i'll just assume you're right but the spanish have a higher likelyhood of bringing in the dark hair because of their many occupations and intermingling with the moors and etc off the african coast, i guess on some degree that applies to the french too
I don't know why anyone would imagine there's only been dark hair in Ireland for 400 years or that it's some result of "mixing" with foreigners. I can only think that misconception comes from stereotypes and people not stopping to think for more than a few seconds.
1:43 Common misconception, when people say he banished the snakes from Ireland, they mean he converted everyone to Christianity from paganism. The serpent is often used as a symbol for paganism.
I dont think anyone seriously thinks he banished the snakes from Ireland..
Charlie mjh That's the first thing kids in school in Ireland learn about St Patrick. It's taught to us almost like a bible story.
So everybody kind of just decides for themselves how much of that to believe. Some people always end up believing it all.
It's nice to know the actual history.
Jack Kenny another common misconception about St Patrick is people think he was an immigrant when infact he wasn't for 2 simple reasons when he first came to Ireland he was a slave and as far as the second time he came to Ireland he either had earned citizenship during his time in Ireland as a slave but more importantly he couldn't have been an immigrant because there were no freaking immigration laws
Jack Kenny I live in the UK and they taught us that in school aswell but they taught us that in the Religous Education class not the Biology class which should be a clue to if its meant to be taken seriously or not.. Its because Ireland is on the edge of habitability for snakes even in England which is slightly warmer snakes are very rare and only about 2 or 3 species survive here snakes never recolonised ireland after the last ice age
It literally meant snakes. The snakes=pagans is actually the now common misconception and is modern garbage. The same text mentions pagans and druids, by name, so there is no reason for them to become cryptic. Its a late addition to the patrick lore. The snakes thing is literally copied, almost word for word from a the story of a french saint (It was fairly common for elements from continental saints to be placed into the stories of Irish saints). Paganism survived for centuries after Patrick. There was no banishment or slaughter of pagans and no forced conversion.
James VI didn't 'add Scotland to the list.'
He added England to the list.
It was the SCOTTISH Royal line that took over the English.
Not the other way round.
And now Nicola Sturgeon and Co want to give the English back their freedom!!!!
If Scotland leaves the U.K., would the royal family leave with them?
@@jwil4286 No, they changed royal lines since then. As most (Northern) European kingdoms the UK royal family is more German then anything else. Or more precisely, the UK royals descent from people born in what we now call Germany.
@@RoseSolane While the royal line changed the family are still descendant of the Scottish Stuart family and many other English royal family before then. The royal changed because the male line was extinct or deposed. And so the female line succeed.
Eventually the Stewarts were usurped by the Hanovers as the ruling Dynasty of England and Scotland, following the Jacobite rebellion, the Acts of Union created the UK more-or-less as we know it today; the Acts also restricted the speaking of the Scots language, and the flying of the Standard of the Stewarts (apparently laws are still on the books banning the alternate Scottish flag that features a red lion rampant on a yellow field, but it is not enforced).
The first Hanoverian King was German and didn’t speak any English, and since the Prime Minister didn’t speak any German, they communicated in Latin... in the 18th Century.
Now ironically the Hanovers have changed their name to Windsor during the world wars to sound less German, while Scotland’s rightful king lives in Germany and is also the heir of the throne of Bavaria
763 AD Ireland is most important country in the world
1763 AD many people don't even know where Ireland is
@arronison Ah Okay
Callum Gaming actually the Frankish kingdom was the most important country in Europe in 763
Ireland still is the most important country in the world. If Ireland was invaded, we’d crash the beer market.
flip inheck Now why would we give away our national secrets that easily?
@flip inheck they wouldnt have as much time for drinking, due to the invasion, so global sales of beer would plummet haha
England’s opinion of Irish religion over the Years:
500AD: you pagan
1400AD: not catholic enough
1600AD: Too Catholic
Plus the famine (an gorta mór which means the big hunger in gaeilge) was a genocide as the English PM , Peel said that the famine was a “mandate from god to civilise the Irish” this is on public records. If you spoke Irish you were unable to get the Indian corn and relief was always sent to Anglo-Norman lords first. There was also forced labour in the form of the public works scheme where pointless roads to nowhere (often called famine roads and which can be easily identified as they are dead straight which contrasts the other rural roads in Ireland which are full of bends). People would sign up to these schemes on the condition that they received the Indian corn, but when there wasn’t enough it turned into a country wide forced labor camp , where thousands died of exhaustion and starvation
"Big hunger" haha
As a brit, I don't get why people are proud of our old empire
Historically Speaking it’s like the Big Sad in the 1930’s
It meant "The Great Hunger".
Cillico Industries great and big are synonymous in this context
(In a snobish voice)
*I'm actually 1/6 Irish*
And I am 100% Irish
1/6? How? Do you have three grandparents?
Or is it some really long lineage that is about equal to 1/6?
@@moormonkey Yeah- he's joking, guy.
Barry Holt I figured - but it still raises questions.
Augustine M if your great grandparent was 100% Irish and no one else is. You could be 1/6 irish
The Irish potato famine did have a huge negative affect on Irish culture and the Irish language...But the real damage done to the Irish culture was due to the English. .In the 17th century the English imposed a policy known as 'The Penal Laws'..These laws were introduced with the intention of destroying the will of the Irish people by destroying their culture..The teaching of Gaeilge was banned in schools.Teachers had to teach English..If teachers were caught teaching Gaeilge they would frequently be executed immediately by a hanging...Catholic mass was banned and if priests were caught saying mass they too could be executed immediately. ...The terms "Hedge schools" and "Mass rocks" were coined then as teachers and priests would continue to try and teach and say mass wherever they could..in a remote field by a hedge(to act as cover) or in a remote house or abandoned building ..with lookouts warning them of approaching English soldiers. Anywhere they could find in order to keep the Irish culture alive.
Fearghal O Ciarba similar policies happened in Wales and Scotland to suppress Welsh, Scots and Scottish Gaelic in schools.
Piers Bellman That was the English M.O. That became their signature method for occupying and subjucating countries..Africa,the Philippines. .everywhere they went to steal a countries resources or for the purpose of dominating land and sea traffic
In Scotland it happened in the Highlands, and then the British military appropiated Highlander culture so that Highlanders would join the army which they did. Gaelic as not been spoken in the central belt for a very long time although now Glasgow has the largest amount of Gaelic speakers mostly due to the Gaelic nursery, primary and secondary. But the central belt and lowlands have spoken a form of English for a long time. Most of the lothians are probably Anglo Saxons as they were apart of Northumbria
I dont think Scots was ever repressed in any great fashion although much like all over Britain, the English language became more standardised and you see the introduction of RP which isn't actually a natural way to speak English although many now see it as the proper English accent.
Scottish noblemen were granted titles and land in return for loyalty to the English crown. They lived in luxury while the Scottish people struggled to survive..In this way England was able to oppress the Scottish people and their culture because the Scottish noble families were bribed to look the other way and not intervene.
The minute I saw the girl singing at 4:15, I thought "That song isn't actually about the black plague," and then seconds later you mention it! Spot on, Knowing Better! Spot on!
Some Dandy then what is it about? I am very intrigued
@@Greg-fc7of SERIOUSLY WHAT IS IT ABOUT THEN, I THOUGHT MY WHOLE LIFE IT WAS ABOUT THIS, I can't find a single answer!
No. They’re not black irish. That’s a term made up in America. Most Irish people, proper native people, have *never* heard that term
yeah, that's true, I'm Irish [not an American saying they are like actually irish] and have never heard of that. only like 9% of Irish people are ginger it's just more than other countries
I have.
@@needlehead9888 Many American are descendant of Irish.
@@danielgallagher4884 Then you're not a proper native
m square I’m from Ahn Bunbeag in County Donegal.
Also bear in mind that Northern Ireland 'chose' to remain part of the UK in 1922 because they cut the borders to ensure a Protestant majority. The original plan was to retain the whole northern province of Ulster within the UK, but it had a Catholic majority; so they cut out three of the nine counties that make up Ulster, and what became 'Northern Ireland' was effectively Ulster minus three Catholic majority counties.
Also, the Troubles was not a conflict between the UK and Ireland. It was a conflict caused by years of a Protestant Unionist majority in Northern Ireland persecuting and discriminating against a Catholic minority, with the central British state enabling it all. The Catholic nationalists/republicans (i.e wanted a united Ireland) rebelled via the IRA's terrorist campaign, and the Protestant unionists/loyalists (i.e favoured continued union with the UK) responded with their own terrorist campaigns. The British state half tried to keep the peace, and half covertly helped the loyalist groups against the nationalist groups. The Republic of Ireland had little to do with it and even imprisoned many members of the IRA, but they did have very poor relations with the British state during this period due to UK's actions in the Troubles and continued occupation of the North.
I do regret my wording for that sentence where I said "between Ireland and the UK." I should have just left it as between Republicans and Unionists. I'll be more careful in the future.
so what you're saying is the UK didn't force Catholics into a union with Protestants because Catholics don't like Protestants (and vice versa, presuambly), how horrible.
I thought that Donegal was incredibly republican and would not have accepted being part of the treaty which kept them part of an Occupied Ulster. So they were excluded from Ulster/Northern Ireland, could be wrong just know a few people from Donegal that said something like that.
Oran Cassidy Monaghan's story was it was such a bad piece of land the UK didn't want it and the Republic was stuck with it lmao
Neil Barrett There was no Protestant /unionist majority in county Derry at any time
Republic of Cork.... Brilliant
One Time Pad people’s republic
People's Democratic Republic Focused On The Rights And Recognition Of The Cork People.
It wouldn't have a hard time staying afloat, for one...
REBEL'S* Democratic Republic Focused On The Rights And Recognition Of The Cork People.
-W_H_E_A_T- it is such a shame Michel Collins was betrayed by De Velera and murdered Michael Collins was the rightful leader of Ireland and the True grandson of the Rebel county may he be missed and never forgotten
Literally Everywhere:...
England: It's free real estate
I read in a book, the title eludes me, that there is correspondence from that that era in British archives. The gist of which said that some of the landlords were having bumper crops of grains and were asking if they could/should sell to the starving populace. The response was they should keep their excess and that would keep prices high and starve off the Papists. 2 birds with 1 stone.
I think that regarding the "genocide" argument, there's a lot of muddled water. It is clear that, by definition, it wasn't a deliberate genocide. It was just a pig-headed economic policy, implemented without regards of the welfare and even the lives of the people in Ireland. I think if we want to talk in terms of legal terms, I would use "criminal negligence".
I think a fair comparison in this subject is the "Great Leap Forward" implemented by the chinese communist party (CCP). Of course, the CCP wasn't trying to exterminate its own population, but using a pigheaded political and economical doctrine, they adopted measures which killed millions, mainly of famine. I think both the Irish Potato Famine and the Great Leap Forward are criminal, but are not technically "genocide", rather, examples of governments blinded by their political and economical biases without taking in consideration actual human lives.
"The judgement of God sent the calamity to teach the Irish a lesson, that calamity must not be too much mitigated. …The real evil with which we have to contend is not the physical evil of the Famine, but the moral evil of the selfish, perverse and turbulent character of the people." The guy in charge
Taylor Lang Oliver Cromwell was not a royalist; his Puritan army (motto: Church of England is still too Catholic for us to support) made him a non-royal dictator after killing King Charles I. After his (natural) death, Parliament invited his son back from exile in France and made him Charles II (the current Prince of Wales will probably reign one day as Charles III).
But substituting “British Parliament and Lord Protector Cromwell” for “British Crown,” your post is correct. Cromwell was even more anti-Catholic than the CoE in his time; even today many Protestants in the more fundamentalist churches which came out of the Calvinist theology followed by Cromwell refer to the Roman Catholic Church as the “Whore of Babylon,” when they aren’t busy marching with Catholics in anti-abortion protests.
Taylor Lang Sorry for the misunderstanding. Cromwell certainly did ACT like a king. And he made his Puritan church the “Church of England,” persecuting both Catholics and Anglicans, banning Christmas, and most likely even persecuting other Calvinist sects (maybe the Kirk of Scotland, but I’m not sure).
Obviously the Irish supported the Crown only because the Puritans were harder on them than the Crown had been in Tudor Times.
WTF are you talking about. Did you even watch the video? You idiot. The Irish Potato Famine was caused by a completely natural event, potato blight, which is a fungus based disease of potato plants. Nobody put it there. It just happened. By forces of nature. This is very easy to understand. Regardless of why the Irish were so dependent on Potatoes and not a more varied agriculture, this was not a genocide, or a crime in any way, shape or form.
Nick B The genocide was in the fact that the people who had the power and authority to help (the British Crown and government) used that power to persecute the Irish even further, with the intention of wiping out, if not the Irish gene pool, the Irish culture and its connection to the Catholic Faith.
Hurricane Irma was a natural event also, but the refusal of the United States government, a government to which the Puerto Rican people pay taxes, and to which they are subject, despite having no vote in that government, was obviously due to the President’s regarding Puerto Rico’s American citizens as less than American because of their culture and language.
The Spanish Armada theory is just that, a story that became inflated with time.
Nowhere near the numbers of Spanish landed to have an influence on Irish genetics. Those who survived and made landfall, which only numbered in the hundreds, were mainly captured and put to death. The best estimates say that 6,000 were drowned off the coast or about 1/3 of the fleet.
Genetically the R1B1 Haplogroup tells a more accurate story of how the Irish are not all red-haired and radioactively pale. It is most dominant in the Irish, Welsh, Basques and the people of Brittany and Normandy.
Too much to be going into on a CZcams comment, but in summary the Spanish Armada theory is a pretty lazy answer to a far more complex question.
It may have had an impact on the Irish naming conventions though, some people claim names like Leonard either originated or became more popular after the Armada came ashore (this is I consider the most likely name to have come from Spain because as far as I can tell English, Welsh and Nordic languages don't have any equivalent to it in their own language while other names people claim are originally Spanish like Moore and Murray do)
@Gary Allen I was gonna say something like this. The black irish, most likely, are a remnant of the pre-celtic, basque-related, non-indo-european population that resided there in pre-historic times.
Now you just ruined a great story.
Wait wait whaaaat? The anglos got somewhat a theory that the irish got spanish blood? I've never heard of this in Spain,makes absolute NO SENSE
The one theory (and likely now debunked with genetics and DNA) is that the lost tribe of Israelites landed there at some point. Ovay, an Irish Jew?
Heard Real Engineering’s voice and did an internal “Yasss!” Also he sounds amazingly close to Ryan Hollinger. Also, potatoes are my choice for the most versatile and delicious vegetable of all time. Call me simple, or a heathen, but just coating potatoes with butter, sprinkling salt and pepper on them, and then baking them til the skin is crisp is my favorite treat when I’m broke and need to get a filling snack or meal.
"The English never tried to wipe out the Irish"---you should look up the Ulster plantation, and other plantations in Ireland. They were attempts by the English to wipe out native Irish and replace them ("plant") with English settlers.
They didn’t try move the irish out they just tried to make it part of England also so Spanish catholic’s couldn’t use catholic Ireland as a base for attacking England so England tried make Ireland catholic
@@SD-fj4ju Actually, they did. Besides, the Presbyterians in Ireland (not the Catholics) organized the United Irishmen and tried to make Ireland independent of British control. It was *never* just Catholic v. Protestant, but it was usually Irish v British occupiers.
The occupation of Ireland actually began while England was still Roman Catholic (England did not become Protestant in practice until Edward/Elizabeth I); so the "it was only to prevent Catholic Spain occupying Ireland" excuse is obviously false.
The English *never* tried to make Ireland part of England. They tried, and succeeded, in making Ireland a British colony.
The English Cromwellian conquest of Ireland (1649-53) resulted in 83% of the Irish population (mostly Catholic, but including Irish Protestants) being massacred...this includes women, children and non-combatants. Around 50,000 Irish people were also deported as slaves.
Cromwell infamously said, "The Irish (note, he said "Irish" & not Catholics) should go to Hell or to Connaught."
Meaning they would either be killed by the English or go to Connaught, which meant death because they could not survive there.
@@teremisteremis2778 you just tried to tell people that the Cromwellian conquest killed 83% of the Irish population.
You are an ignorant buffoon that no-one should take seriously. Go read a book.
6:33 "It gets a little bit confusing with the multiple titles."
Just three titles? What a noob. *keeps playing Crusader Kings 2 on the second screen while watching
So the British Empire could have been prevented by a faction for Gavelkind in the 1400s?
@@ingold1470 Nothing a good Gavelkind succession rule can't destroy!
@@Wish-and-Hope Which is why a good trade-republic ran by one family forever is the best way to go! El Presidente always listen to his subjects(or her, if you use mods)
@@Plankensen Needs more manure explosions.
@@Wish-and-Hope That reminds me of a Shattered World campaign in which AI Ireland conquered all of the British Isles, created all the kingdom titles it possibly could instead of just forming the god damned empire, causing everything to explode on succession due to Gavelkind, the resulting borders were quite pleasant... until claim wars and crazy successions ruined everything for good only a few minutes later.
Hahahaha! Cork republic :D nice
hey i like this guy!
I thought it was a polish flag.
You're alive?!
@@eoinoconnell185 It is the Polish Flag. For several years Ireland had very high immigration from Poland (both Catholic nations).
@@pauldavison7858 Polish flag colours are horizontal. It's a "Peoples Republic of Cork" reference.
This was a great video and while obviously there was a lot glossed over, the independent nation of Cork made me laugh out loud at my computer. Well done!
Just saying never call it st patty's Day. But feel free to call it Paddy's Day and yes there is a massive difference
DjoG yeah. Paddy is Irish, patty is English. Paddy is from Padraig, Gaelic for Patrick.the two d’s is Irish.
Paddy is worse, since it's an ethnic slur for Irish Americans.
@@snufflesmcfurguson2578 but I mean if you are Irish, anyone called Patrick gets called paddy and st Patrick's Day is called Paddy's Day. It just rolls nicer off the tongue
Snuffles McFurguson it was bit currently none of us care about that, coming from an Irish native, you’d get much more ridicule if you called it St. Patty’s lol
In most American English Patty and Paddy are pronounced the same, [ˈpʰæ.ɾi]
Loved the Republic of Cork joke at the end.
I lived in Cork for three years (I'm originally from Limerick) and yes, it's practically its own country. Or at least Corkonians act like it is.
Hello, I'm from Russia. Can you please explain this joke to me.
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In the south of Ireland, there's a county called Cork where the people act like they're distinct and somewhat superior to the rest of Ireland.
They often call the county "the People's Republic of Cork" as a joke.
It's like the Texas of Ireland, from what I understand.
Eoin O'Connor thank you very much
Knowing Better thank you for personally responding. You have a great channel.
something I as a foreigner will never get is Americans tendency to identify with a certain nationality even if their family hasn't been there since the 1800's
Well , its either that , or use Rap, the Mafia and rigged elections as a culture
Well, it took several centuries for the English to call themselves that, and that was primarily to differentiate themselves in the Dane-law. Even then, it was mostly a political move so Wessex didn’t alienate the Saxons they wanted to rule. So it took 400+ years and foreign invasion and occupation by the Danes to unite the people under one ethnic moniker.
Or look at the Byzantines. Up until the destruction of Constantinople in the 15th century, they still called themselves the Romans, though they hadn’t been affiliated with Rome for 11 centuries.
Yes , even the Russians did (Sultan of Rhum) hence Tzar (Caesar) .
Essentially we still have a Roman structure of government.
Ankford Yet people who migrated to America illegally think they have the right to call themselves Americans, while people like you will say that’s perfectly fine.
"People like me"? What about my comment let you believe I support illegal immigration? I support immigrants, and immigrant workers and I believe in a lenient immigration policy sure but I never stated once anything about this?
The Troubles! Thank you for briefly covering something CPG Grey continues to actively avoid in his videos, especially his Brexit vids. 😉 (CPG Grey, this is no slight on you, I know that one day we will get The Troubles video!)
16:32 I love that you did your research enough to include a joke about independent Cork. I had to pause for a little laugh there!
The appendix used to digest cellulose, its a vestigial organ now.
I love how Sophie pronounces 'colon.'
OK you won me over, I fell off the couch laughing when you said "when Europe was burning itself to the ground, Ireland was just over there minding its own business" and finally with "partition that subscribe button" 😂 😂 😂
im 26/32 subscribed
"The english lived in castles or in towns, whereas the Irish lived mostly in farmlands"
Errr..; it's the middle-ages, that's pretty much the case everywhere, with like 5-10% of peoples who lived in towns and the vast majority of the population lived in farmlands. It didn't saved them from the Plague ^^
it didnt saved them
Krankar Volund except the Irish didn’t have a single notable city except Dublin at that point.
Barack O'Bama - First black irish president
More british then irish,as are probably half the americans claiming to be
@Liam CI don't wish it,I know it ..Most ain't even Catholic
@Liam C Well firstly,irelands a catholic country. (you wont find ,for instance,many italians who ain't catholic) and whats the correlation between an american saying hes irish when he wasn't born there OR catholic?....
@Liam C Ask a protestant, born and bred in ireland ,if hes irish.....
@Liam C If you aint a catholic,the odds are that person is scots irish,(if he/she is even that) which in the BLOOD is a mixture of scots and english....I/E....British.
Hahaha we don't even have lucky charms in Ireland
But you DO have leprechauns, right? And Darby O'Gill?
Are you talking The North or The South?
moskaski south but probably not the north either
A Nihtgenga oh yeah of course
I don't believe you.
TALK YOU SON OF A BITCH!
I, personally, like to think Meatloaf's "I'd do anything for love (but I won't do that)" is about the butt-stuff
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but yeah i like to think its pegging too lmao
The song is pretty clear about what he won't do. According to the lyrics:
[From Meat Loaf:]
I'll never lie to you and that's a fact
I'll never forget the way you feel right now
I'll never forgive myself if we don't go all the way
/ Tonight
I'll never do it better than I do it with you
I'll never stop dreaming of you every night of my life
[From Lorraine Crosby:]
... you'll forget everything ... / Then you'll see that it's time to move on
you'll be screwing around
There is no ambiguity in the song, just most people don't know the words.
Fun fact: St Patrick is Welsh
He summoned cthulhu to get rid of the snakes in Ireland ;)
He was born in Wales to Italian parents.
Or Roman, depending on how you'd view such things.
@@Jotari Romanised Celts, splitting the difference, and keeping the whole thing historically accurate.
Funner fact: St Patrick is dead. But he WAS Welsh.
This comment may have already been added but the joys of discovering your channel thanks to Joe Scott. I'm from Northern Ireland, on your Spanish Armada reference. There is a country church with a graveyard in Cairncastle close to where I live. That graveyard, until recently had a Spanish Chestnut Tree in the grounds. A ship is said to have sunk of the coast and a body washed up on the shore close to Ballygally and the people there took the body and buried it. Over time a tree grow from the location of the burial. It is believed that the body contained Spanish Chestnuts in a pocket and the tree grow from the chestnuts (seeds)
One thing you should have mentioned for the genocide part are quotes from Charles E. Trevelyan, the civil servant in charge of famine relief (and the lack thereof).
"The real evil with which we have to contend is not the physical evil of the Famine, but the moral evil of the selfish, perverse and turbulent character of the [Irish] people."
"[The Famine] is a punishment from God for an idle, ungrateful, and rebellious country; an indolent and un-self-reliant people. The Irish are suffering from an affliction of God’s providence."
"The judgement of God sent the calamity to teach the Irish a lesson, that calamity must not be too much mitigated"
"We must not complain of what we really want to obtain. If small farmers go, and their landlords are reduced to sell portions of their estates to persons who will invest capital we shall at last arrive at something like a satisfactory settlement of the country"
Trevelyan claimed that the culture of the Irish was so wicked that God sent the famine to wipe it out. He argued in favour of reduced aid in order to ensure that God's punishment was met. The only thing from his statements that casts doubt on whether it is technically a genocide is that he stated that he really wanted the land that the starving people lived on to be freed for better investment opportunities.
He was appears to be saying the farms were inefficient and that profits should be reinvested and if the perverse un-self-reliant etc. management were incompetent they needed to be subjected to market forces or else the profit motive would be mitigated against. Sounds like a Whig.
Sounds like he was trying to shift the blame for his own incompetence and lack of foresight on the Irish via moral and theological arguments.
As disgusting as this may be, it doesn't really scream 'genocide'.
@@fds7476 It's more that it represents the culture that did such things frivolously and the person assisting the leading of a regime that continued harsh laws a policies against a people while simultaneously shipping out food that they were practically forced to produce on their own ancestoral land while in the middle of a famine to avoid a paramilitary forcing them to the streets.
@@---675 it was TREVELYANS own words...or does that not matter. Others said the same thing from civil servants to Prime Ministers. It was a clear case of genocide.
@@---675 nice to hear from you. I would just like to say that I am a history professor in Ireland, have studied the Great Hunger for more years than I care to remember. I have spoken at lectures on the Great Hunger in the US, Canada, France, Germany, Russia and....wait for it....in England. Not once has an Englishman challenged my debates as I give full disclosures during them. You cant rant and rave all you want but the proof is out there. During the years of the Great Hunger, 70% of the British Army manpower were stationed at Irish ports to ensure that the food left the country. Big statement huh? This is fact and proof alone of Passive Genocide. Well why dont you take a look at the British Army records or the British Parliamentary debates that are free for all to see. Once you have....get back to me.
The Troubles are such a bad name for the event. Car bombs, kidnapping, murder squads, assassination attempts on world leaders, people breaking out of prision using flamethrowers, stolen helicopters, Libyan arms deals AND THE BEST NAME PEOPLE THOUGHT OF WAS... Troubles.
Great video btw :D
That's Ireland. We have a culture of down playing the severity of things and getting on with life. That's what centuries of hardship does for ya!
Few naggins, be grand kind of attitude :D .
"Aye, just a few troubles lad" -My grandfather ladies and gents
Ha ha. We called WW2 "the emergency" no joke.
World war 2, ah jays lads there's an emergency going on out there
Rewatching your back catalog. This is one of my favourites. You are a light of reason in dark times, and for that I thank you.
I love how I go into your videos having no idea what's coming, but don't get disappointed
Meatloaf wouldn't cheat for love...listen to the song "Sooner or later you'll be messing around" "No I wont do that"
People often use that song as a punchline to highlight someone else's hypocrisy, but that's a pretty good reason not to do something for love.
*DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES CALL IT ST. PATTY'S DAY.*
Sgt Palooggoo no one calls It that its either called St Patrick's Day of Paddy's day and yes the spelling matters but you call in the first one I said as you don't address someone with a title as " Paddy "
@@sodaking6858
Oh, well I'm just Quoting this vid.
Americans call it St Patty's day as not to offend Irish by saying Paddy's,which as an Irish person I find quite respectful actually 👌
If I were a betting man, I'd guess that it's better to say "St. Paddy's Day" than "Paddy wagon." Am I right? ;)
Ellie 26 a patty is a burger
Finally I have some understanding of the recent history of Ireland. You sir, are a terrific teacher. Kudos
Literally every other country in Europe: *plunges into the dark ages*
Ireland: lol what are the dark ages?
since the English first came to Ireland and it will still continue till there is a united Ireland.
@@cooldaddy2877 Ireland is already united, it's not like the land is split in two for feck sake.
@@stephenobrien6983 you know fine well what I mean.
@@cooldaddy2877 I do...but the people don't for they are divided amongst themselves. Not Irish against English but rather brother against brother.
@@stephenobrien6983 hardly brother against brother when one side is Gaelic/Catholic/Irish/Celtic for Irish independence and the other is Lowland Scots/Protestant/Celtic and for a British kingdom. The Protestants have been in Ireland for four hundred years and have made no attempt to amalgamate with the natives.
I am English one 1/4 of my family are Irish by descent, growing up as a toddler 2/3 of my play mates were 1st generation Irish immigrants who moved to England in the 60s and our next door neighbours both sides the Kennedy's and the Powers were both welcomed by all folk in the street. I'm still in touch with 3 of the children (through face book) who contacted me because of the thanks they had for our English family and especially my Mum and Dad who gave their parents so much support when their Dad Michael died and their Mum Mary who found out Michael was 10 years older than he'd said he was when they married in Dublin in the 50s. She was devastated by this and spent many days coming next door to chat to Mum until she was diagnosed with brain cancer and went down hill quickly, my sister and I were encouraged to look out for M, E & C even though by now they had gone to the local Catholic schools and we to CofE. Young M was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes aged 8 and needed twice daily insulin shots, as you can imagine he went through hell and my Mum would often be called in to talk him around and my Dad was always on hand to take him or any of the family to hospital as he had a car. Mary died and the kids uncle Paddy came over to look after them, they all reached the Catholic Salesian Grammar school and we all remained good friends until I moved away aged 20. We all lived in English council housing minimum wage and English or Irish it didn't matter everyone was working but no one was any better off than another. All you people who try and stir up shit between normal Irish and English working class people should be ashamed of yourselves, as MK still says to me this day "If the no blacks, no dogs, no Irish urban myth were true every house in Cq Rd would have been empty" It's a shame that people who are doing well in life now try and colour it with a mawkish sense of victim hood.
people say italians talk with their hands
this man
talks with head movements
not trying to be mean or anything but my god you shake your head a lot
It's kinda the charm of it tho haha
notbrianthesqueaker HAHAHA!!
Given that it's some of the little body language he can give when the camera is positioned the way it is, I can understand why he does it.
Word has it he got abs on his neck
“Banished all the snakes from Ireland.” Is a very polite way of saying he got rid of paganism.
I was gonna remark on the bit about Meatloaf in the start, but then you touched on it at the end. And I just want to say I absolutely love how pedantic this channel is. Like it's my favorite type of knowledge. Very detailed and nuanced
Oops. James 1st didn't add King of Scotland to his list. The opposite in fact as he was King of Scotland first.
First King James of England/6th King James of Scotland.
Always look before ya take a slash.
Google: Plantation of Ulster.
Interesting stuff, also explains why the population in Northern Ireland voted to remain part of the UK. Most of the Protestant Northern Irish descendants aren't even Irish, they're Scottish/ English people who descend from those planted there by the English Monarchy in the 1600's to try and shift the culture to become more Protestant.
Everyone in Northern Ireland has the right to Irish citizenship by virtue of having been born on the island of Ireland. Many people in NI, particularly younger people, identify as both Irish and British.
Yeah, but that was in the 1600s, no? ^^
I mean, some regions of France didn't join the country until the XIXth century, two centuries after that, and most of their habitants said they're french and don't want to quit France ^^
Yeah a lot of people miss this, but also many catholic irish have norman or english names. If the British had been catholic instead of protestant the story would be very different by this point in time.
I know it sucks, but if they've been living there for 400 years they have as much right to the land now and the original inhabitants.
Its a kind of shitty situation that happens all the time in history, from the United states to the modern isreal/palistine situation
Guardsman Miku nobody today would deny british citizens in NI the right to live there but we will damn sure not allow them to continue to take .. their hyperactive superiority complex has run its course and it’s now time for them to accept their gerymandered ownership of the six counties is coming to an end.
Best map of Ireland ever at 16:30. This lad really did his obair bhaile.
I have been watching your videos for a couple of days and for someone who loves history watching your videos is really relaxing i managed to learn more from you than school learned to me
Love the cheery music while talking about genocide.
10/10
The Spanish armada theory is pretty weak. Honestly, the most compelling theory I've seen to date is that the Celtic population generally had a medial European phenotype, and that the high frequency of gingerism in Ireland is a product of Norse involvement on the Isle in the late first millennium AD.
On a totally tangential note, in a strictly Western Canadian context, Black Scots is a term that historically applied to people of mixed Scots-Cree background, but over time has come to also connotate people of Afro-Scotch ancestry or full Scots with dark complexions.
(TL;DR: terminology like that is a pain in the ass and difficult to parse out, lol)
It’s weak even if historically true.
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So, does anyone know how many Spanish sailors: a) made it ashore and b) avoided detection so that they were able to father children.
I know of one ship making it to Kerry, in the southwest. Those of the crew who made it ashore were killed soon afterwards by English soldiers and settlers.
The term Black Irish has long been applied to Protestants It was also used on Monserrat where there was a lot of intermingling between Africans and Irish. Those with less black blood were known as Red Legs.
Many of the blacks used many Gaelic words into the seventies and sung traditional Irish songs.
LOL you think the Irish only had gingers around 900AD??!
If a couple of ships resulted in such a significant number of dark haired Irish ppl, extended logic would have an enormous part of the Belgian population looking rather mediterranean (we were under Spanish military occupation for ~200 yrs). I kind of fit the description to an extent, but it isn't *that* common-and that was 200 years of heavy occupation without barracks (soldiers lodged in homes a lot).
A wild tale of historical romance at best. Or maybe that's why the River dance tour had a flamenco interlude. Hmmm... :p
"Channel my inner Zealot." Bahaha I got that reference. 😂
"Power overwhelming."
Ireland had its own language and until 200 years everyone in Ireland spoke Irish.
Irish is a very interesting language, and entirely different from English and French or whatever. Irish sounds pretty rugged and wierd. It grammar is like from the early Middle Ages. Irish has a system of changing the first letter of a word to add more meanings. Irish spelling is even more perplexing than English spelling (mainly because they have letters in the middle of the words that are now silent). Many people still speak Irish.
It's worth looking into!
Of course you realise that the Catholic Church had more to do with the eradication of the Irish language as the English did. Ireland was the Vatican's jewel in the Crown and if they could get as many Irish priests speaking English out in the world as missionaries, they were damned if they weren't going to do it.
@@stephenwright8824 Gosh - what a shame!
Man Every episode you make me love you even more. The 3 seashells is definitely a mystery I revisit from time to time.
Well, America has a huge Irish population depending on what you count as "Irish". Before the potato famine, the vast majority of "Irish" immigrants to America were Ulster-Scots, who viewed themselves as Irish until the 20th century but who the rest of Ireland never viewed as Irish. The Ulster-Scots were protestant Scottish settlers that moved to Northern Ireland (Ulster) after King James the first/sixth bought/stole (depending on who you ask) two-thirds of the territory from the Irish chief who controlled it. These Ulster-Scots were treated in a similar way to the Irish, as they weren't allowed to own their own land but had to rent it from English landlords. However, the Irish saw these Ulster-Scots and English landlords as foreign invaders and fought several brutal wars to drive them out. This forced the Ulster-Scots to become very adept at the art of war, to the point that their unofficial motto is "Born Fighting". In the 1740s, the price of rent was suddenly jacked up and the Queen of England passed several laws barring non-Anglicans from voting, running for public office, or holding worship services. While this law was aimed at the Catholics, the Presbyterian Ulster-Scots were affected by these laws as well. Feeling betrayed by the English overlords they had been loyal to for all these years, the Ulster-Scots started moving to America in a steady stream. Because most of the land near the coast was already taken, they tended to be the people who pushed the furthest into the frontier. The spirit of "born fighting" and pushing into the frontier stayed with them and their descendants to this day. General Patton and Neil Armstrong both trace their roots back to the Ulster-Scots. However, the Ulster-Scots didn't start trying to make themselves too distinct from the rest of the Irish until the establishment of the Irish Free State, as the Ulster-Scots made up the Protestant majority in Northern Ireland that you mentioned.
TL;DR A sizeable portion of Americans who claim proper Irish heritage are actually the descendants of Ulster-Scots who immigrated to America before the Potato Famine.
Benjamin Grist Serves them right to be betrayed.The Scotts are mainly drunks and failures - kind of the same as the Irish;) I’m glad I’m neither.
You didn't have to make a racist comment, but you did anyway.
Markus Aldawn The Scotts and Irish aren’t a race. Most Irish/Scotts aren’t alcoholics - in fact Ireland ranks 19th in Europe for alcohol consumption. I was taking the piss out of the previous commenters sectarian crap. Geez, everyone is so sensitive these days.
Markus Aldawn Btw, the “Ulster Scotts” were just the descendants of pagan Irish who settled Scotland. The Romans called it Scotia - roughly translates as land of the Irish (its what they called the inhabitants of Ireland.
Sure, you were. You were just taking the piss out of sectarian comments by making a Hibernophobic one.
Interesting to see a video discussing Irish history pop up in my recommendations.
Finally CZcams served it up.
Thanks, I'm 40 now and the school thought me a lot more about WW2 than our own history so I spend my lockdown drinking times forgetting all these really interesting facts but am also very proud that people still spend the time to have interest in our wee little country.
love your channel.. keep up the good work!
Erm... What about the huge cultural similarities and trade for 1000s of years between prehistoric Ireland, Cornwall Brittany in France and Galicia in Northern Spain.... That plays a big part in Irish genetics.
Yeah, i think he just skips the fact that about the Era when Scandinavians populate/Colonize the Western portion of Ireland now known as the area around Dublin could have most likely have some influence in the genetics of Pre-Roman Inhabitants (The natives Black and Brown Haired Celtic people who are pretty similar to its Celtiberian cousins in Northern Iberia and Brittany) and could result in a lot of people having mixed genes, which in result could create Ginger coloured hair. I couldn't clarif
@@fawwazn.1244 of course you couldn't "clarif" you don't even know the difference between east and west
The previous inhabitants (before the Celts) were known to the Celts under various names such as "firbolg". The Celts came to regard them as quasi magical people, and the Irish Celtic (Gaelic) culture emerged as an amalgam of both Celtic and previous cultures. Many historians believe that, since Ireland is with respect to Europe "an island outside another island" (i.e Britain), that mass migrations did not occur and so relatively few Celts arrived, even though aspects of their culture and in particular their language (Irish Gaelic, Old, Middle and Modern) would come to be dominant on the island for nearly 2000 years, that is from about 200 BC to about AD 1600 (AD1800s in many rural parts of the country). Therefore, with regard to "race" (whatever that really means) it could well be that the Celtic strain in Ireland is actually less that that of the people who were already here before the Celts, with still later admixtures of Scandinavian, English, etc.
"C'mon, I remember this, I was around for this!". My wife was around for it. Whenever she went to school on the bus they didn't know how long it would take as they would have to cross a bridge. If that bridge had been blown up they had to go the long way round. They kept replacing it, and they kept blowing it up! Even after the Peace Process it still hasn't been rebuild. There's even a vehicle they haven't bothered to clear.
Also on the list of bombings is the name of the nearby town where my wife lived and her sister narrowly missed being in that blast. She knew the two people who were killed.
as an American, there is something about just giving the finger to the Uk in any shape or form that just really makes me patriotic, which is why I think I like France and the Republic of Ireland so much.
You would probably feel much less patriotic if you took a DNA heritage test lol
Wow, what an Anglophobe! Guess that's why "patriotic" means ignoring facts.
The British had the English language first and besides, William Franklin was right!
Speaking as a 32 county Nationalist Irishman this was just too funny. Wonderfully informative as usual. I also loved that your voiceover guy is actually Irish, such a balm to the fake Irish accents of John Wayne's America. Thanks for the fun & 'formation.
What Meatloaf won't do for love:
Sleep around.
That was a mystery?
Its a 12 minute long song, most people dont have time for the whole long meandering Jim steinman song
As a resident of Boston showing a dunkin doughnuts for Boston is the best description of it
The Spanish Armada and Black Irish is a myth , most of the Spanish that washed up on the shore were slaughtered so had no infulense on the genetic makeup of Ireland , the so called Black Irish are the original Irish that predate the celts that swarthy look is mainly confined to the western coastline .
EMB 2017 not sure about the black Irish being the original Irish. But the Spanish armada is indeed a myth.
I agree.In fact recent DNA research in Ireland has determined that the Spanish Armada.had nothing to do with the existence of Black Irish..Too few Spanish sailors survived to introduce their genes into Irish DNA
Gingers came from the vikings. The original irish predate them.
Paul Reacts, not wholly. ginger hair evolved in northern europe, so any culture that was there would have developed fair and ginger hair over time. the celts in general would have had a percentage of red hair even before the vikings landed.
Paul Reacts if gingers came from the vikings, please explain why most Irish bog mummies are ginger, bearing in mind that they died over 2000 years ago.
I have often said, and written, it is Famine which must consume [the Irish]; our swords and other endeavours work not that speedy effect which is expected for their overthrow.
- English Viceroy Arthur Chichester writing to Elizabeth I's chief advisor, Nov. 1601
The timing coincides as well as the apocalypse in the Mayan calendar.
The Irish famine was a genocide if you use the original definition of genocide, not the one used by the UN, coincidentally adjusted to make sure the allies could keep themselves clean of accusations.
I would argue the current genocide definition needs adjustment. If you are ruling over another people, something out of your control begins to cause extreme suffering and death to that people, and your efforts to help that people are far below your abilities as their overlord, you are effectively commuting genocide by proxy. Same happened in Bengal during WW2, and if I recall, other points during British rule over India as well. There are even parallels in the way that the export of the already present food exacerbated the famines in Ireland and Bengal.
The victors write the history…and the definitions…🤨 “we investigated ourselves and found we didn’t do anything even remotely close to our definition”
As an official irish person who lives near our Lord and savior bono, I have never once ever did do hear someone say "Saint patty's day" but if you do bono will strike you down
"Celt" was not so much a "race" as a culture that was carried by the Gaelic 'K' or 'Q' Celtic language dialect that spread up from Europe into Ireland (where it became Gaeilge), across to the Isle of Mann (Manx) and up into the highlands of Scotland (Gaelic). This was likely a Lingua Franca that facilitated trade rather than signifying race but at the same time providing a unifying culture among the numerous tribes of each country thus becoming the dominant language.
The "ginger" gene found predominantly in the east of Ireland - and in Scotland, is historically neither Scottish nor Irish but Scandinavian - Belfast, Dublin, Waterford and Wexford were all once large Viking settlements. The predominant "race" in Ireland were decendants of the same neolithic people who built Newgrange and cousins of the people who built Scara Brae in the Orkneys. Over the centuries many other genes entered the Irish pool: Spanish, Italian and French in particular - survivors from the Spanish armada plus catholic soldiers and mercenaries from the various catholic uprisings against the English. Prior to that of course there was the invasion of the Catholic norman genes - but like their Viking cousins, the normans - fitzgeralds, fitzherberts, fitzwhathaveyous, Butlers and Burkes - quickly saw the errors of their Norman ways and like the Vikings before them, threw away their shoes, took up the kilt, the Gaeilge, found good Irish women and became "more Irish than the Irish" engendering considerable respect among the locals.
When the English threw off the last of their own catholic norman domination and became 'white Anglo-Saxon protestants', their purchase on Ireland was a bit touch and go for a while for anything "beyond the pale" - a demarcation line around the Dublin area. But finally they stamped their authority on Ireland as a whole in a series of bloody conflicts with the last of the "twilight lords" (the Norman feudal lords who now fought as "Irish") in the 15 and 1600s.
The English then began "planting" Ulster with 'friendly protestant celts' mainly from lowland scotland and, as they say, that's when the trouble started!
An uprising in the 1600s by the O'Neills was viciously put down by Oliver Cromwell who reduced the population of Native Irish by around 50% before rounding up quarter of a million women and orphaned children and selling them into slavery in the West Indies. Following that atrocity, Ulster in particular was scoured of it's native Irish people whose tribes had inhabited the same ancestral lands for millennia. Their lands, including those of my family, were carved up and parcelled out to protestant mercenaries in payment for killing the native catholic Irish on cromwells behalf.
Therein lies the genesis of "The Troubles".
In the 1700s the English introduced the "penal laws" which reduced the rights of native Irish to less than that of farm animals. This era in Irish history is where the "Irish joke" - funny Ha-Ha, stupid drunk Irish - began. Originally the Irish joke was English propaganda specifically designed to dehumanize native Irish, justifying the atrocity of the penal laws. During this time it became punishable by death to teach the Irish language and this is where the "Hedgerow Schools" came from - where priests risked being hanged drawn and quartered for secretly teaching gaeilge in the hedgerows to keep the native Irish culture alive.
Also during this time and into the early 1800s there were ominous precursors of the potato blight. The English were well aware that the unrealistically small farm allotments that the native Irish were allowed were being dangerously overused because of the lack of land to let fields lie fallow. There were several early instances of blight over a couple of decades that the English fully recognised could become a major problem. They did nothing. At one point a major blight outbreak was even discussed in the English parliament as a possible solution to the "Irish question" - or "how to get all of those pesky native Irish off English land Holdings in Ireland". When the blight struck proper, Ireland was made to look like the worst images of Biafra! Agents acting for English landlords cast native Irish who could not pay their rents out onto the streets to die in the gutters while the thatched rooves of their cottages were torched and burnt off to stop the cottages from being reoccupied.
Perhaps it can't be said that the English deliberately used the potato blight and the famine as a method of genocide, it can be said that they certainly took full advantage of it and therefore were in effect guilty of a Holocaust on the the native Irish - as much as they would like to weasel out of this fact.
Pog mo thoin, bean rí sassanach!
Excellent summation. Informative and entirely accurate
@@vestty5802 What are you going on about? Enlighten us.
Turk Turkelton this fella is making it out irish never did anything bad themselves yet Irish played key roles in the British empire slavery’s and control over their own people. The RIC (royal Irish constabulary) police force in Ireland that put down numerous rebellions and even the war of independence made up of entirely Irish
@@vestty5802 Thank you for the information. I would still say that none of that is a hand wash about the shittyness of the british empire and what was done to Ireland. But I agree. No group of people are innocent. Look at how the irish treated blacks in America.
Turk Turkelton I would say it was the shittyness of the kingdom of England because that had Cromwell and other people like him but the British empire was relatively ok to the Irish as I said Irish were some of the high ranking generals politicians etc in the United Kingdom and the British empire vast majority of Irish people don’t know this
Free cork
Screw cork. I mean, corkscrew!
I am literally too close to shandon bells right now. Gonna hear it again in in the next 3 minutes
With every purchase of wine.
Is cork trying to be its own thing? Whyd he say cork would take itself out?
There's always been an independence movement down here. You'll always see a sign around the city saying end dublin rule in cork. Most of west cork still speaks Irish and refuses to speak english. There's parts where gardai can't even enter
Ireland: Europe’s Rainshield
If I remember right, the radio edit to ‘I would do anything for love’ cut out the final part of the conversational duet so people who didn’t purchase the album kinda had a right to be confused. The unedited cut is like a 12 minute banger with an amazing intro and fantastic guitar interludes. Still a guilty pleasure to this day... give it a proper listen if you get a chance. If you don’t know, now you know!
When Hitler died Eamon Devalera went to the German Embassy and signed the condolence book...
He was some man for pissing off the U.K.
15:34
"I was alive for this and odds are so were you"
*laughs in 2003 baby*
And as he said that, I was thinking, "Alive for this? I was born the year before they even _started_ !"
Actually it was the British weather who destroyed the Armada, not the English seamen. They did manage to capture and defeat a few ships, then the Dutch blockaded them from bringing Flemish troops to England, but the Armada wasn't decisively destroydes until they were returning to Spain via the Irish Sea, where they were wrecked.
Actually there was a little yellow bulb in the briefcase.
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@@nekozombie Reason enough!