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- Author Neil Gaiman has been accused of sexual assault by two former partners in the first claims of misconduct against him, and is the subject of a police complaint in New Zealand, a new investigation from Tortoise has found.
Gaiman’s account strongly denies any allegations of non-consensual sex with the women, and says New Zealand Police did not take up his offer of assistance.
New Zealand Police said their attempts to speak to "key people" are "ongoing", adding the "location of all parties” is a consideration.
Neil Gaiman left New Zealand at the end of February 2022.
The allegations span two decades and two continents, and include non-consensual penetrative sex.
The young women first came into contact with Neil Gaiman - the bestselling author of The Sandman, Good Omens, and American Gods - as a nanny to his child and as a fan of his writing.
The women’s allegations are reported in our four-part podcast ‘Master: the allegations against Neil Gaiman’.
The series raises questions about whether Neil Gaiman had reasonable belief in consent for sex with these women, given their vulnerability.
Listen wherever you get your podcasts: lnk.to/Master-Ep1
Guys what the fuck
The accusers are lying
@@RileyGobel Fake news .
Yes, how in the fuck can the male feminist be a toxic male himself?!
So, listening to the podcast, and these women’s own words, they admit to consent but later regretted it? I’m incredibly confused. I would never, ever want to victim-shame, but this doesn’t make sense to me, aside from vague legal nitpicking.
It seems like they initially consented to having an affair with him or felt pressured to engage, but then he would perform acts they didn’t consent to
It’s also confusing because within the podcast Scarlet continuously reaches out to him (Neil) to say how much she enjoyed the things they did and how much she misses him. How was he meant to know she wasn’t okay with what they were doing/did if she only ever expressed her approval in direct interactions with him?
I met him when I was 13, he signed my Coraline books, I was so enamoured. I’m 29 now, I still have those books, but if this turns out to be true, I’ll rip out those signatures.
The first victim already had a case with the police the New Zealand police now said they are investigating aftet not wanting to go forward without even interviewing Neil at all the justice system is messed up
Those are signed, sell them for money. David Bowie and Marilyn Manson both did some weird stuff, but if you have signed memorabilia, don't destroy it -- sell it.
Sell them for money. Buy unsigned copies second hand. What his writing meant will still be true, it is him who is not living up to his words.
Wait for the facts and evidence.
What facts or evidence are you waiting for exactly? It's all in the podcast - including Neil's direct response to the journalists' allegations. It is even-handed and thorough.
@NickiBrand2757 If these ladies' claims are based entirely on her testimony....then there is literally NO CASE here. So the fact that's it's even coming out is pure slander.
You didn't look at the pod set @@chewface
If he had sex with the nanny it is basically power dinamic abuse.
@@chewface I mean, in principle you are absolutely right. The thing just is, the court of law and enforcement too, have shown SA victims again and again, that it either will not handle this type of crime seriously, or else is possibly just unequipped to do so. It is estimated that around 90% of SA-perps go free. NINETY PERCENT. And it's a worldwide issue.
So frankly, you complaining about a well-off and renowned author, *who talked a big game about this very issue*, having his name 'slandered' because not one, but two women, reported him for SA, is a weird focus to take, and not one I find particularly neither sympathetic, nor actually rationally and legally grounded.
Nobody is just judging that he did it. We are saying that there is no reason he couldn't be capable of it - because the experience of SA victims broadly, to the degree they have been questioned, shows that way too many people have a very shitty grasp of consent, and often a very icky sense of entitlement when they are in positions of power, to leverage that power towards sexual favours.
But the real issue isn't as much this specific case. The real issue is, indeed, the pattern in how these cases are discussed outside of court.
If you look rationally at how SA is treated socially, worldwide, there is very little reason for somebody to make allegations - *even in instances where they absolutely were subjected to SA*. The big dark numbers are SA victims keeping silent when something actually happened, not the other way around.
The reason is simple:
It never ceases to AMAZE me the lengths people will go to, to make people who allegate SA out to be liars, despite the evident absolute stigma that is associated with speaking up and allege such a thing. Female victims (allegators if you will) are met with cries of wanting attention or money, or destroying the allegated's life and reputation, when there is zero precedent of this actually being the reality of what happens in court cases about SA, worldwide. Fun fact is, if the person reporting SA is a man, it is usually just played for laughs - he is told he should 'be so grateful for the attention' (if the accused is a woman) or just subjected to homophobic questioning of his masculinity (if the accused is a man)....which is frankly just as, if not more, sickening.
But rarely is he attributed with possible nefarious intent to slander and lie. That discrepancy between how male and female SA victims are silenced, speaks volumes:
The men who experience SA have their manly-masculine-man-card revoked and are ridiculed. Women victims suppsely just flat out lie.
SO.
Let's repeat: ninety percent of perps never see the inside of a cell. around 30% are even reported, and the reason is that it is well known, especially among women, that about 16% chance that it will end in a conviction. Usually because evidence is the providence of enforcement. And Enforcement... well...
Certainly as long as law enforcement broadly, in many countries, plainly turn away reports, treats the reporter like they are the criminal, or, say, forget to process rape kits, the court won't really have much to go by, will they?
The real sufferers of slander are victims of SA who try to report or even just speak up; they are assumed liars until proven truthful, and the obstruction of them being able to prove it usually starts at the police station, whose job it is to accept the report, investigate, collect evidence and process the damn case. At every single step of this work, rape cases meet systemic malpractice and footdragging from law enforcement.
cmsac.org/facts-and-statistics/n
Kinda makes me think of Joss Whedon. Beloved by fans who are adoring and call him a god and acting like he’s a celebrity. Can’t say I’m surprised.
Another celebrity torn down by the hate movement he supported. 😂
It's probably made up though.. And I say this as a woman. Certain women enter into a relationship: then when it hasn't produced what they wanted (even years after it's over) they start to make trouble. In a social climate like our own current one, this will probably gain them advantage. The only one it has blown up in the face of so far, is Amber Heard.
The powers even used this sort of thing to try to bring down Julian Assange...
And both male feminists
All Joss Whedon did wrong was cheat on his wife and yell at entitled d-bag actors. The dude is fine.
I'm so sad... 😢
Also confused because within the podcast Scarlet continuously reaches out to him (Neil) to say how much she enjoyed the things they did and how much she misses him and wants more. How was he meant to know she wasn’t okay with what they were doing/did if she only ever expressed her approval in direct interactions with him? Plus in his replies to her he continuously expresses concern and asks if she’s okay, not abruptly cutting her out or anything like that, but consistently checking in with her and offering support for over a year. I mean she legit begs him to spank her, asks for punishment tasks, etc.
Well, I hope he treats the allegations against himself with all the credulity and sloganeering he has engaged in for the last several years. Yet another creep trying to hide behind being one of the good guys, oh what a surprise.
@@aaronjohnson7812 For pieces of shit? Yeah.
I think he's earned more than a little rush to judgment against him given he loves to rush to judgment on others. Oh, well..
Exactly, another simp male feminist getting karma, regardless if hes guilty or not
Dios ésto me saca de onda y me perturba mucho, Neil lleva siendo uno de mis ídolos muchos años, espero qué sea inocente, que se llegue con la verdad, pero si es culpable que sea procesado. De verdad espero que no sea culpable.
He said the relationships were consensual he didn't' deny that but also didn't deny that he was rough, clever wording from him.
Ya he’s a manipulative scumbag
He's more articulate than you are - why are you so resentful of his eloquence that you feel it's necessary to take swipes at him. He's an author and you're not. Have you always been a bully? I bet if this were the 1950s, you'd be demanding the exile of Charlie Chaplin. After all, you thrive on gossip, and it's your fuel - your combustible fuel for your uncontrolled abusive behavior while you claim you're defending survivors of abuse.. You present yourself as a judge and jury and claim you're not a malicious mob. HOW SO!?. Hate to break it to you, but no matter how hard you try, Neil Gaiman will always be more articulate than you and always be making contributions to the world that will outlast your mob mentality. BTW, don't you have a MAGA rally to go to? If you claim you're not anything like MAGA, you're not successfully refuting it, you already proved it- you're on the same ladder and only one wrung up.
It is funny how feminism disappear when the accused is "one of ours".
@@velzaresp8623 It's funny? Also what are you even saying?
@@kaiju_k5042it’s funny that Neil Gaiman has the same tastes and preferences as Andrew Tate. Actually Tate likes women half his age and Gaiman by his own admission likes women a third of his age. Define irony.
Ironic that the same people who made a podcast on Amber, who Neil has defended, are now doing one on him.
Karma
Terry Pratchet once said "The same crowd that cheers for you, will cheer when you are hung"
It is funny how feminism disappear when the accused is "one of ours".
@@velzaresp8623 not for male feminists. Just the female ones.
@@velzaresp8623 dude, you dont' have to keep reposting the same lame line, it's not that impressive
Called it.
Was it ever truly consensual in the first place?
Hum, who does this Rachel Johnson reminds me of….?
I’m sure I heard this name before.
Oh no not him as well. He is my favourite writer.
Where is the litigation from the trial, along with the evidence and the verdict, or did you write your comment while presenting him as a sketch instead of a human being without any of that. I find it sad that he writes with empathy while that aspect of his writing is lost on you.
Good thing there's no evidence that he did anything wrong.
It couldn’t have happened to a better excuse of a human being.
Yu guys are making an app & charging to even listen to the victim's side of the story? How are you even different from the corrupts? Do a podcast on your brother too Rachel.
Indeed. I’m no fan of Neil Gaiman but this stinks of desperate journalists using clickbait tactics to raise subscriptions. Just listen to the cliched, unimaginative music on this video. You’re hacks. Why not report on how Boris Johnson has serially exploited women in plain sight for decades? You’re shallow losers who can’t make money legitimately.
All episodes are available and free to listen on Apple and Spotify. It is not paywalled.
"Doth protest too much, methinks". The jarring "social activism" Niel has perpetuated over the last few years leaves me without surprise that there are a few skeletons in the closet. I wonder how much this social credit will buffer the media onslaught.
I hate to say that I am saddened, yet un-surprised, even (or maybe especially) as a big fan of his work. It is brilliant, but it also holds some real darkness in places, so I have no problem imagining that he *could* - which I think is the point here. Establishing whether he did or not in terms of law, is up to a court of law to decide. But I certainly won't be defending him. He reached that age where artists have to grapple with mortality, at the same time as their work is admired by young people. Then they get the Wednesday illness. It happens so so often.
Believe SA victims.
Well, I think hes pretentious and overrated, he assume weirdness is the same thing as depth
@@Heyiya-if NO. Believe nothing that is not proven in a court of law! Anyway, Gaiman strikes me as extremely non-aggressive. Anyone could beat him in a fight, is what I mean..
@@oneoflokis Nice afterthought, you should have thought about that before you hyped the me too movement
Neil Gaiman is an sjw who digged his own grave
@@oneoflokis 'believe nothing that is not proven in a court of law' is not how reality works. People have thoughts about things. A court of law has not bluestamped your stated impression of Gaiman either.
Deal.
@@Heyiya-if Or No Deal! 😄
Listen and Believe!😂 Reap what you sow Niel!
Listen and believe is stupid. Stop enabling psychopathic women.
@@RawPowerComics Tell that to your simp bud Neil Gaiman then
I will separate the art and the artist. I love his art and will continue to love it. He is an incredible storyteller. However I think he might actually did those things and even think/believe he didn't do anything wrong and that was all consensual. Some men could have pitch black darkness in them and hid that with opposite reputation. Sadly, SA in relationships is quite common, usually by men. Just ask the women or gay men around you, almost all of them has a similar tale. Some doesn't understand "no" in some stage of sexual mind state, some think she is just playing and some of them just like to be dominant. The result is the same. Trauma, self loathing, victim blaming, most of the time silence... So we will see how will this unfold. I think we are at the beginning of this tale.
There’s no such thing you are still supporting someone who committed said acts
@@carla3693 the books and stories didn't do it, and they are absolutely bigger than their writer. It is him who did not live up to his own words and ideals, if we were to destroy all beauty because it was maid by people with ugliness inside them, there would be no beauty in this world. Buy books second hand only, do not support further work, sorted. I am definitely never going to do such a thing to myself, as to destroy stories that meant the world to me. But I will read them again, taking extra note of the darkness that was always there.
Ha! Well I'm sure glad you can compartmentalize the trauma he inflicted on young women. Phewf!
How am I supposed to beleive you if its behind a paywall?
What a fantastic coincidence to drop this today of all days, isn't it ???
Why? Whats today?
The accusers are lying big time
@@johnwithfiveos5177 What happened today? Why today?
Some american event
@@RyanRoemer8624 Thanks for responding, does that event involve Neil in any way?
I still respect Gaiman and admire Sandman. The allegations haven't changed my opinion about him or his work.
I never place anyone on an unrealistic pedestal forgetting they are human just like me, so when anything unflattering or worse is revealed or alleged as in this case, I'm not disillusioned. The problem for Neil is that many of his fans don't see him as a human being and have unreasonable expectations about him. That's on them. Gaiman and the women were adults in a consensual relationship at the time. Gaiman has been cooperating with the police and they haven't found anything criminal. At this point it is delving into the sexual acts by adults, which are by nature complicated, intimate, and personal.
💯
Well said, sir❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Five words: keep it in your pants
He can do whatever he wants after all he deserves the honey after all the hard work he's put out!
@@RyanRoemer8624 Ah, so you admit you abuse women and think of them as sex toys, nice to know you're honest. Hope you're next
@@RyanRoemer8624this is one of the most disgusting comments I've seen in a while
@@RyanRoemer8624 czcams.com/video/p8FA25a22dQ/video.htmlsi=NZKNACeXnMTUsh6e
@@RyanRoemer8624 I love Neil and I hope he's innocent, but your comment is fucking revolting
Só digo uma coisa, quero provas...
Boris sisters
Didn’t you do the Amber Heard podcast with the same sort of “research” and “certainty?”
We’ll wait
Sorry but y'all destroyed MeToo when you ignored Tara Reade. Skeptical as hell.
#BelieveAllAuthors
Hes a male feminist and supported #beleiveallwomen
This is karma
Has all the tell tale signs of false allegations. Sounds like a few bitter women didn't get the relationships they wanted.
And Neil Gaiman is a feminist who claim we should beleive all women
What are the signs of false allegations? I'm on your side here, just not aware of what the signs would be
@@thelocalgay602 Usually come from a groupie. Long after the event. Almost always someone who appeared happy then got mad when they didn't get the relationship they wanted. Pleasant texts from the fake "victim." The accusation always sounds more like bad sex rather than sexual assault (See: Aziz Ansari) They use terms like "power dynamic." Accusers and their supporters talk about everything other than consent. (Like an age gap or wealth gap.)
@@RawPowerComics Alright, thankyou for clarifying
Comments: 'I'm so sad - I know this is true.'
How could anyone who wasn't there at the time know that this is true based on the word of these two dorks? Trial by internet mob is one of the stupidest things to ever come out of the internet. I'm not defending the guy - I have no doubt that he leveraged his popularity to get some, and I think that's what burns people more than anything. You think these celebrities are supposed to be paragons of virtue, but the opposite is often the case.
Almost any seventeen year old girl on tumblr could tell you this was true in 2012. There’s a reason for that.
@@lvl11717 Well, since a 17 year-old girl on tumblr said it...
Celebrities? Virtue? Hahahahaha
@tosweetdelight listen and believe!😂 I have no sympathy for people targeted by the hate movement they supported.
@@lvl11717Seventeen year old girls on Tumblr?? What do they have to do with it?
Innocent until proven guilty.
in a courtroom, sure. not in the court of public opinion.
@@BobbyBluejacket Court of public opinion means nothing.
True
@@BobbyBluejacketyou know accusers lie right ?
@@jaymann5180 Sadly it means everything
So the only people who know about this news story are Boris Johnson's sister and the women themselves, who insist that the relationship was consensual which is consistent with what Neil said, and instead what they're claiming is that they didn't enjoy the sex they had with him, even though they continued to have it with him. There was no coercion, there was no violence, and the story itself cannot be read anywhere, this supposed "news" story, The only way so far to get a hold of this news story is to listen to a four-part podcast that you have to sign up for. So we have two anonymous women who continue to claim that both the sex and the relationship was consensual, and that some of the sex they did not like. I have to ask, why would reputable news source not be reporting this? Is it possibly because this is not a story? It's very sad that Neil has unsatisfactory sex with groupies, I always imagined that he probably did, all of those goth girls showing up to his book signings, but then again he can't control who his fans are, but is it likely that a 40-something-year-old man had unsatisfactory sex with a couple of 20-year-old fans? Of course. And he says he did. I would just love to know what makes more sense, that a fan continued to have sexual encounters with him that she wasn't thrilled with but still wanted to have, because she's the one who kept showing up for them. According to these women, he wasn't threatening or coercing them in any way. This just is not a story. This is not the hammer drop that Boris Johnson, excuse me, Boris Johnson's sister thinks it is. Have all of our heroes had sex with groupies? Probably! Do you listen to music? Do you ever sing along? You're singing along with somebody who had an exploitive sexual relationship, probably for one night with a young groupie. Groupies are kind of part of the point of being famous. I personally find that gross, but genuinely can anybody say that they don't think that's part of being famous? You can be disappointed in someone without claiming this makes them a monster or putting up a mysterious four-part podcast instead of an actual investigative news story. This is a game that they're playing, and I don't like it. If they're not going to treat this potentially serious situation with the seriousness it calls for, why should I take it seriously? Why should I take it for anything more than what it seems to be on face value? I'm happy to listen if you ever want to figure out what real journalism is and report a real story in a serious and respectful way. But this isn't it.
He use power dynamic on his nanny employee with 40 yo old of difference.
Sounds very "Julian Assangey", doesn't it? 😏
Not quite.
These are exclusive relationships spanning months, not groupies. Within that timeframe, nearly all the sex is consensual. But there are instances when the woman doesn't want to and says 'No', clearly. NG doesn't take 'No' for an answer. So the news story explores the question of: 'Can your steady girlfriend say 'NO'? How do you react if she does?'
A second issue the stories explore is the 20-year age difference (NG and "K") and the 40-year age difference (NG and Scarlett). How does age, employer-employee, unpaid nanny vs. millionaire, power imbalance make for a morally reprehensible situation? E.g. 20-year old Scarlett is a live-in nanny.
Finally, if you're grooming someone into BDSM, use safe words. The journalists claim that by causing actual physical harm to both women, NG may have violated UK law section 72. Claiming it was consensual rough sex isn't a defense.
@@ANutterwitch-wq1gj Who cares? 😏
@@oneoflokis Anyone sexual. Anyone who may become sexual. Anyone who cares about justice, fairness. Anyone in fandom. And everyone watching this video. 😎
I love Sandman. Or rather, I used to now. I’m enraged to the point of tears.
Why? You ever met him or them? Didn’t the reporter say this was decades ago?
@@bobbyologun1517 The main, most recent allegation dates from 2022.
@@NickiBrand2757 yes? what of it
@@bobbyologun1517 I was replying to your comment that this "happened decades ago ".
@@NickiBrand2757 yes the original allegation apparently took place decades ago the only reason this is somehow newsworthy is there is another unrelated accusation from 2022. in whos interest is this being reported on and for what reason? to my mind it is cheap gossip, sensationalism nothing more
as a fan ... I love his books ...but I'm absolutely convinced this is true ... and i am sure there will be more news to come :)
Ah yes, because of all the... evidence? Oh wait...
@@robertcraft4894 I love his sandman series... all the rest... not so much maybe Coraline , Good Omens... I don't hate the guy ...I don't know him, like you don't know him to ... but this stories are pretty much convincible, mate... all people have good and bad sides... His SJW sh.tshow gets him at the end...
@@drugartwall why do you add "..." after each sentence?
@@Cat_egg1 i like it like that
@@drugartwall Dude i wasnt being mean when i said that 😭 i was genuinely asking!
The patron saint of Wiki leaks removed his condom without consent... and forced himself into another women whilst she slept.
Even though he was married at the time of each incident. He's still beloved ...and so the women were chastised and hounded,
by his legions of sycophants. How you treat those, you consider your subordinates... is the true measure of yourself.
That you feel you've subordinates at all... is even more telling.
If it was concsnsual, they didnt want him for his looks
Without his fame women wouldnt look his way
@@rikardandersson5582 It wasn't his looks or his infamy, that brought him attention. Many left-leaning people felt he was a hero uncovering the treachery behind the 'evil' US empire. He was a freedom fighter... fighting for a fairer, more egalitarian world. As it turned out, he wasn't heroic. He was only in it for the fame and adulation.
@@commonwunder AKA fame, its not like a non-famous dude who would tell shit like that out at a club or something would get women, no, they need it to be recognized by an audience through publication
The weirdo or anti-hero needs to get famous first before he can get women, so in other words Neil Gaiman wouldnt have scored that well without his fame, especially with 20 year olds when hes in his 40s to 60s
@@rikardandersson5582 Neil Gaiman slept with these particular ladies... or treated them poorly... because he believed they were beneath him. He deemed them 'easy', so disposable. He treated them inhumanly.
@@commonwunder Yes, i agree, but he also wouldnt have had a chance with them without his fame, he most likely would have been an incel without his fame since hes an introvert
Anyone who's familiar with Neil Gaiman's work shouldn't be surprised by these allegations. Especially given the halo which has been placed on his head by his adoring fans. Power corrupts. No two ways about it.
Innocent until proven guilty
The halo thing really is a problem especially with male idols
@@RyanRoemer8624 Consensual or not, who tf cuddle and finger their 22 year old employee on her first day of work, within hours of first meeting?
I think we are going to have to separate the man from his work.
yeap. that halo started to flicker w the way he behaved to fans who had issues w how he defended to the tokenistic approach he took to casting sandman
I don’t think the allegations are true, but I do find this to be karma considering Gaiman has championed false allegations against men who were later proven innocent himself. Amber Heard for example.
Well damn....... So even comics is getting a me too moment
Hope not
Comics has had a lot of them over the years
dafug he's a scientologist?!
Ay learned about that in Gaiman Vs MacFarlane :)
I doubt it.. His father was. Isn't Neil an atheist?
@oneoflokis his family are Scientology aristocracy & have given a lot of money to the abusive cult
@@eachandeverything983 i always had a sense that something was off about him.
@@eachandeverything983 Yes. His FAMILY.
This is a right wing hit piece. Look up who the host is.
lol cope
Did you listen to it yet, Robert? If you think it's a prefabricated, politically motivated stitch-up that ignores all counter evidence, I can't agree. While Rachel Johnson is of course the sister of Boris, she is more centre-right than he is. The woman in question contacted her, so Rachel didn't go looking for this story. Tortoise have a good reputation for journalism and Neil was given full opportunity to respond within the episodes to all the allegations. I found it careful and even-handed. It explores the difficult grey area of assault within apparently consensual relationships, which is why I think a lot of commentators hearing the allegations summarised second hand are dismissing them outright. The situation IS grey and ambiguous, and that's the whole subject of the podcast.
What happened to “believe all women” huh? Not anymore once it’s one of your heroes…
@@NickiBrand2757ok map
@@plain_simple_garakok chomo
Not suprised if this is true, he gave me the creeps
Episode 92,563 of a male feminist being accused of male feminism
Another man that use feminism to hide the corpses of his basement.
It takes two to tango. This woman is not a child. She could have stopped the relationship at anytime. Being starstruck is not a valid excuse.
Evidence beyond mere accusation? The phenomenon of women falsely accusing men, especially prominent and wealthy men, is well attested.
Well, tell that to the male feminist Neil Gaiman then
"The alleGAYtions against Kneel Gayman."
@@aaronjohnson7812 Maybe this is all proof he is Straightman.
Probably made up.. 😏 Gaiman doesn't strike me as any kind of aggressive, forceful, dominant character.
Why not accuse Alan Moore of this kind of thing? Now he's definitely a narcissist..
Bet it's all for money anyway. 😏👎
#beleiveallwomen
@@rikardandersson5582 That's misspelt. And I'm a woman, and I don't.
@@oneoflokis So just cause I made a spelling error, I loose the debate?
Fucking retarded
Yes, you do, since you as a Neil Gaiman fan are a SJW loon, but when it affects your male idol it all of a sudden dont apply anymore
Maybe you should stop giving male celebrites special treatment and realize they are not any better than non-famous male
Hating non-famous men but worshipping famous men, fucking pathetic
While it's likely fake, it's ironic seeing the accusations fall upon a public champion of the cause of believing all women.
It's just funny.
@@miguelcondadoolivar5149 I suppose..
Believe all women
"...But not those two" - Neil Gaiman, 2024.
Nope
Not all women are trustworthy. Many are not. Ask Johnny Depp. All it takes is someone with a grudge to make a false accusation to ruin your life.
Sod all hysterics!
Neil is the man
Believe all women
As someone who has seen women fake these types of allegations for different reasons no. It is innocent until proven guilty
@@alpha1solace women first always.
No
@@alpha1solacenope
only an idiot would believe all women, women can and do lie, even in cases such as this