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- In today's video, we explore the truth about this Islamic feminist group. Our journalist sits down with members of this group to try and better understand them. Press play to watch!
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It's not Islam. Kind of another religion. Very far from Islam.
This is not Islam u Wana know Islam listen to mulana Tariq jameel if u can't read quran
I am deeply saddened by the fact that as an informative channel you haven't stated that a) this program and channel was removed from television due to it's frequent lies and false respresentation and manipulative aspects b) that the group was actually classed as a cult and that the 'kittens' were often blackmailed and forced into representing and working for the show c) This man is in prison and will remain in prison until his death due to charges such as 'Cult Leadership', 'Fraud', 'Blackmailing', 'Espionage' and 'High Level Sexual Harassment' d) all women have been freed from this group and many have spoken out about the horrific things they had to go through. Posting this video without any of this information and without any proper information on the group fails to show the actual darkness and horrid truths, and portrays İslam, İslam's many branches, and İstanbul, along with the rest of Turkey, as lawless, meaningless and depthless. I wish you would've cared to show more conversations had with Turkish and/or İslamic Feminists. I wish you would've researched into the topic and spoken to journalists and activits about the situation. This is an old video posted today, in 2020, and you didn't even care to add the current situation and developments to the end of the video as some text. I have lost all my trust as a viewer towards the Refinery29 family, and urge you to share videos with actual informative value whilst showing all of the story. If you want to look like you care about other cultures and lives, don't misrepresent and don't share only a portion of the story.
@@ardyunlu same
@@ardyunlu well said 👍👍👍
The fact that she was forced to wear makeup...like wtf
And it looks horrendous 🙃
@@franky2347 lmao
ohh thats ok !! as long they dont cover themselves fully
Rightt.
@@franky2347 frr😭
I'm sorry all the women looked exactly alike crepped me out
It definitely is creppy lol so creepy
Well obviously he has the same type as hugh heffner did.But the huge king size bed in the living room is telling of what probably happens there.My guess is they record porn.
Ena Lo yeah
it should creep you out, it's not normal
Merve Sayar true
This man is now in jail because he has many crimes, from women's trafficking to fraud. In Turkey, this man is known as one engaged in prostitution, and not be loved by anyone. In addition, most of the scenes seen in TV series and movies are an exaggeration about Turkey. Istanbul or Turkey is not such a place, literally. It contains many religions and views which is such a normal thing. Moreover, Islam is not something as mentioned here. Unfortunately, just recently it has done such things to discredit Turkey. If you can research the right things from the right sources, you can better learn the accuracy or inaccuracy of what is described in this video. Thank you :)
Oh I wouldn't worry! I think everyone who watched this video realised that this creepy weirdo *doesn't* represent Turkey! It must be a truly fascinating country to visit 😊
Absolutely
thanx for our comment !!! and ISLAM WILL NEVER CHANGE !!!!!
I feel like he’s holding them hostage. Cause why’s are there like ten male guards everywhere ???
I mean where did they find them? Were they trafficked from Europe??
It took me 5 minutes on the comment section and 15 minutes browsing to find out the Adnan Oktar was jailed in 2018 for accusations of sexual abuse (including minors)and financial fraud. Thank you for uploading the video (maybe i wouldn't have found out about it) but It would've taken you two lines on the description box or 3 seconds at the end of the video to include this hugely important information.
Thanks! It took me 2 minutes only to know this lol
This is one of the weirdest things I’ve ever seen in my whole life, the guy playing music out of nowhere like ???????????? Crazy.....
This isn’t Islam.
What do you mean do love the true Islam or no sorry for my English is bad
Rotaj Hassan no
How is this not Islam? Is it because the “kittens” aren’t wearing a hijab? Or is it because of the clothes they’re wearing? It seems like we can’t even draw a fair conclusion exclusively from the content presented to us in this video... I wish they’d let her film in the studio, but I guess they’re just trying to hide something 😟😬😬😬
Vape Naysh Represent I think you are confusing culture to Islam
Vape Naysh Represent it’s not Islam because half the “facts” he said are false in Islam
This man is now in jail.
What for?
@@sweetiedarling5736 "In the statement made by the Istanbul Chief Public Prosecutor's Office on the issue, he defined Adnan Oktar as the "leader of the organization", "Establishing an organization for the purpose of committing crimes, Sexual abuse of the child, Qualified Sexual Assault, Blackmail, Taking out the assets abroad, violence, and asked them to be arrested for threats of deprivation of liberty by using threats."
Beyza Ylmz wow...
@@simplybeyz Dang
@@simplybeyz whoa...
I know this story, it was so famous at some point in the beginning of the 21st century, it's annoying to see someone trying to raise money and fame to distort my religion and culture, really this is very annoying, this guy was supposed to be in prison, how he got out of there, he was in prison that I was sure and was in the news a few years ago! Oh, my God! 💔💔He exploits women and adjusts their forms with almost fatal plastic assembling surgeries, and shows them in his TV show to dance with him and he keeps saying words that have nothing to do with reality or anything related! He's using women.💔💔💔💔💔💔💔, And I mean, it's the man who's trying to make money and fame because the girl who's looking has worked hard to reveal this to everyone♥️♥️
I know it’s so sad. The amount of Islamophobia this kindles is scary.
@Michelle Goodrow i hope😢
@Michelle Goodrow i will pray too♥️♥️
I am deeply saddened by the fact that as an informative channel you haven't stated that a) this program and channel was removed from television due to it's frequent lies and false respresentation and manipulative aspects b) that the group was actually classed as a cult and that the 'kittens' were often blackmailed and forced into representing and working for the show c) This man is in prison and will remain in prison until his death due to charges such as 'Cult Leadership', 'Fraud', 'Blackmailing', 'Espionage' and 'High Level Sexual Harassment' d) all women have been freed from this group and many have spoken out about the horrific things they had to go through. Posting this video without any of this information and without any proper information on the group fails to show the actual darkness and horrid truths, and portrays İslam, İslam's many branches, and İstanbul, along with the rest of Turkey, as lawless, meaningless and depthless. I wish you would've cared to show more conversations had with Turkish and/or İslamic Feminists. I wish you would've researched into the topic and spoken to journalists and activits about the situation. This is an old video posted today, in 2020, and you didn't even care to add the current situation to the end of the video as some text. I have lost all my trust as a viewer towards the Refinery29 family, and urge you to share videos with actual informative value whilst showing all of the story. If you want to look like you care about other cultures and lives, don't misrepresent and don't share only a portion of the story.
.....welcome to the 21st Century....The Time of trump......the liar in chief.....
WOW , Thank you so very much for your extremely important statment! I agree with you 💯 , I actually thought the ladies looked rather silly all having the same look, but really I believed the woman explaining how this changed her life, but felt she was not being fully truthful ,your statement put things in perspective, sadly. Thank you again. With Love from Washington State 💚🌲
This was made in 2015 so I'm sure they just left out information because that information wasn't available yet... just an observation.
She clearly shows that it is a small group of people, very cult like… there are tons of similar weird cults all over the world in many different countries. I would try not to take it so personally, next cult they may interview could be anywhere in the world. Believe me when I say that most viewers are not assuming that such tiny cult represents what Turkey is. It would be silly to assume that this represents an entire nation.
"İslamic Feminists"
LMFAO!!! No such thing.
I find it unpleasant that you’re using this time to re-upload this particular video which was made some time ago. Turkey is suffering with issues with femicde recently which has brought outrage worldwide, and it seems that you’re using this to re-immerse an old story and provoke more reaction/join the trend. If you truly support women’s rights in Turkey/globally, then make something rightful to the current situation. Do not re-introduce this stupidity which has already been dealt with. This man is in prison and this is an old story.
Amen !
I swear I had seen this like ten years ago. Thanks for explaining
This isn’t Islam.
Does not change the fact that this happened. They have mentioned 2015 in the video and nowhere have they claimed it’s a recent video.
@@mandiraexotic Yes it happened, and it's over and done with. It was not necessary to be brought up again, there are other things that can be talked about which can be more influential/useful in the terms of talking about femicide. They may have mentioned the year, but they should have included more context about the present situation. It is easy to miss it and assume that this video is recent if you do not know the context of this story. If this video is five years old, then they had plenty of time to edit and add this contextual information. All it took was to add a two-minute long disclaimer at the beginning of the video addressing this.
something is off.. something is feel so wrong here...
I know they seem like they have guns to there heads
That's Middle East for you
@@dc9067 no it's not... this is one cult in Turkey- the Middle East is huge
@@dc9067 that's like judging the US based off of scientology
@Effa Tariq exactly we don't need it
If they are feminists why do they look exactly the same. They seem doll like
All eleven of his Stepford wives
I agree haha looks like hef's blondes
No tea no shade
Off the topic but why can’t feminists be doll like? They can choose to be whatever they want
wy Z they all look the same is my point. Which means they are most likely conforming to the cult leaders version of beauty which is against feminist beliefs.
I think you guys could make an update at the end of the video. You can't ignore the progress in this case. He is in jail and those people around him confessed that they were forced to act like this at that time. You are perpetuating an inaccurate presentation of Islam that media has started a while ago.
I agree
Agreedd.....
More context would have been appreciated and the fact that this was 2015
Except she explained that he pulled ideas from multiple religions, so no one believes this is true Islam. He uses the term Islam to try to catch the eye of future recruits. Also, since you posted this, the court of appeals overturned his case and sent it back to retrial. So if you want them to update, you should probably donate money so they can hire a new employee whose sole job it is to check all of their videos for the most recent information and update them. I think most people understand that unless you are watching the current news, there is always a chance that things have happened since then.
Hey I'm from Istanbul. I would also like to see the everyday life of Istanbul. These scenes only show touristic spots with an islamic perspective however Turkey has a broad spectrum of religions and amazing scenes of modernity. Not every women is covering their heads for ex:) You should also search for Nisantasi, Bagdat Caddesi, Caddebostan beach side, Kanlica etc. To have a better understanding when we are talking about Istanbul. Every corner has its unique taste. Love from Istanbul
Eda Erdem aynen :)
"Not every women is covering their heads for ex:)" such a bad example....
@@bullseye9723 not really 🤷
@@zeyzey1285 for muslim ofc thats bad!!! she actually said modernity "not every wears headcover"
Thank you for sharing !!
That music and dancing part was like a fever dream.
It hurts my heart to see any religion or set of beliefs twisted and distorted in such a disturbing and disrespectful way. I personally am nondenominational Christian, and I have witnessed and read about and heard my beliefs manipulated and used to benefit one person or group of people far too many times. I am so glad this man was exposed and put away, and I pray that these women heal and find a way to move past what I’m sure was a horrendous experience
Mohammed split the moon according to their Quran and lots of misspellings or errors what kinda God is that if he himself can't even spell and say what he wants to do properly, read the Quran it will say kill the non believers kill kill kill and then in the next sentence it says forgive them and go to the people of the book 😂 so first Allah tells kill and then he contradicts himself WHY?. It is a cult. Can't you see. They walked naked around the kabba also and kiss a stone send by the ALLAH. We have to idol worship. Its not it's this cult. It is a CULT. It's many people are misinformed about the Quran and Donkey brained Mohammed and his flying Donkey, Allah the dumb God. I can make a lot of Muslims instantly leave islam in a slap. Lookup Christian Prince he will inform you about the Quran with talks with Muslims himself!. But they are victims we do not hate them we wanna forgive them, because my God that came down in the flesh "Forgive them father for they do not know what they do" and you wanna save as many from this stupid religion. It's a dangerous religion for all of us you know that Allah said they can lie to people? You know what they call that? Taqqiya. Yes Allah (Satan) allowed people to lie. So their God is the exact opposite of ours. The bible tells me "Satan is the deceiver of the whole world" Revelation 12:9 read your bible. if i can see satan where would he be. With people he can twist peoples minds with something. Allah is Satan. And Mohammed believed he was possessed by a demon. Which is clearly true if he lived today let me tell you he would be having all the disorders 😂. By their fruits you shall know them. I am afraid after reading this you might wanna edit your comment. Cause it is true, just open up the Quran on Sunnah.com and read some of it it's hilarious. Their God doesn't know what he must do sometimes or how science works. It's laughable. Just for you're research do it and you will find quickly you're mind has changed and you are left with confusion and laughter on some things. It's a true story about some one born in Saudi Arabia and when he reached to the age of forty, he claimed that he is a prophet of God, he receives inspiration through a holy Angel and God chose him to seal the prophet hood. His book is the final and the perfect and his followers are the best creation on earth. He encouraged his people to kill, rape, torture, steal, and said that it was God's commands. He had a billion followers through fifteen centuries and his followers are looking for more killers to follow them. Its just the Muslims of today don't know their own book. Not only that they have more then one book YES NOT ONE BUT MANY. The hadiths needed because apparently the holy Quran wasn't enough killing and rape and stupidity. This video is a joke i laughed all the way through knowing the truth. So does my lord. When he comes back we will see Allah finally fall.
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This is not Islam plzzzzzzzzzz
Did they change the title
😂😂😂😂
czcams.com/play/PLiBeHFQJFza9PvtwIth0Rn7KrIjfPXsUg.html
But he mentioned Allah?? how come it isn't an Islam then..
Respectfully, I would highly encourage you to research more about Islam, or other religions for that matter, as often what we are ahown in the media etc is v biased
For eg, for a person living in an Eastern country, seeing school shootings in America might make me think that that is what their religion is promoting, its a v misleading way to form prejudices based on j an article or news report
I would encourage u to not just search on Google etc and instead we should all try to have a respectful open minded approach and really study the religious texts etc to fully get what it is all about
I highly encourage you to read the Quran with an open heart and mind and I'm sure you will understand what we really mean by saying that this is not Islamic in any way
Getting Hugh Hefner vibes from this guy lol
Yes exactly
hes in jail and this group has been freed.
@@chungus_khan thanks for the update, please share more details
Don't you ever talk shit about ma boy hugh
Lmao 🤣!!!
He actually is in prison right now because of this
IT'S NOT EVEN ISLAM. Please correct the title, it's misleading
Nothing says feminism like a male absolutist leader
Is this a re-upload? Cause this is so old news.
Ah... Right... They said it on their description.
"This video was originally published on Broadly and is being repurposed by Refinery29."
Why tho?
“This IS SUCh A GrEAT gIFT i reALLY aPPReciatE IT”😄😁😄😁
“That was the weirdest thing I have ever gone through in my live”
1:15 Wait.......what? Why are you blurring his face on the computer? We literally just saw him uncensored in the beginning of the video!!!!
Probably as a means to not use other’s (the cult’s) footage for copyright reasons
To my Muslim and/or Turk fam: thanks for expressing your concerns about this video. I’d take your stories over media sensationalists any day.
Bruh why did they but “islam” in the cover this has nothing to do with that...
They are neither FEMINIST nor ISLAMIC. Only the word CULT is right in this title.
La Psychologie avec Pelin yup
18:35 I think sums up this whole video. As she’s summarizing her time, locals behind her scold the two women walking by like they’re pleased yet disgusted 🥴😒
Why is this being reposted this was posted originally on CZcams years ago now somebody is trying to make money off it again
I get that this is a reupload and that's why it's not up to date, but there really should be an ending card with information about the arrest and jailing of the leader.
Seen this before. You've changed the title?
The Playstation one graphics are sick
Thank u refinery for brightening my Eid up !!
"Teker also shed light on “turnike,” notorious gang rapes of women persuaded to join the group. “They had a scoreboard, and members would be elected ‘champion’ of the week, day or month based on the number of women they had sexual intercourse with. Those with less number of rapes were accused of being gay,” he told the court."
Hello Refinery29...
I recall this episode broadcast on 60 minutes a few years back...Yet another "Cult" if nothing criminal isn't happening the camera crew should have been giving some clearance ..
Although coached each answer from a Lady was written down and had to be remembered it's obvious..
Suspect all together.
Thank you for posting..
Peace to Us All..
Sincerely Tee Jay
watching it on mute with captions, and then just suddenly seeing the kittens vibing and the journalist looking so confused but then joining in on the vibing cautiously....same
Thank you for the reupload cause I wasn't able to watch these before atleast I learn something about this video....it just it creeps me out...
There's a very thin line between cult and religion
there is no line. all religions are cults. there are no gods. its sbout control.
Is this re-upload?! Because I think I have seen this years ago..and if yes.. so glad you guys bring this up again because more people should know about this subject
The part where they start dancing when the music plays is so robotic. I love the host btw
Wow! This was so interesting to watch!
This is not islam, this is culture.
All of those women/"kittens" have the same face
This was insane... I would love to see/hear more.
they suddenly just party so randomly? is so weird. its so funny too HAHAHA
This cult is absolutely crazy
Islam and feminism do not correlate. Also, it makes no sense why a cult "for women" is being led by a man. Isn't this a reupload?
This is not a cult that is clearly what they say. Inside its different. It looks weird also, you can say something is wrong? Idk maybe thats beacuse we now the reality of the cult in the country
There is a direct correlation between islam and feminism tho... islam was the first religion to give women rights, to forbid people burying their children because they were female, islam also gave women the right to mehr which is money their fiancee gives to marry them.
Furthermore, islam made life for women better; God made it so that it was a husband's right to make sure the wife has been fed, has money etc, but a woman's right is that the money they own, her husband cannot touch.
In Islam, God made it so that forced marriages, if it be a man being forced, or a woman being forced it is forbidden! So for example, if they then had intercourse, it would be classed as r*pe and then by Islamic law the man or woman would he dealth with in accordance with the islamic law. Before anyone comments about the Islamic law being barbaric, lemme just tell you that womens rights stem from islamic law, and most countries have adopted most aspects of the islamic law.
If u have any questions, please let me know
(Edit:)
Also, i cant believe i forgot to mention this, but islam was the reason many women back then were allowed education, the first university in the world was opened by a Muslim woman! I just want ti highlight that islam is NOT what the media portrays it to be, the media like angles which give them views and reactions. I think if one believes the media it just shows that they are completely naive, impressionable,m and says a lot abt their character; they are ignorant and dont want to listen to the truth, for example the media portrays black people to be part of gangs and criminal activity, but someone with a sense of reality, competence and a brain will be able to determine that, that is completely false.
@@edaerdem7223 nah dude this is absolutely a cult. It is neither Islamic nor feminist. It's just an old man manipulating women for his own gain
@@sara-qq5cl yeah we all muslims know that !!! but now a days feminism is going beyond its limits!!! which dont not matcht he islamic narrative!! for example abortion!!
@@bullseye9723 actually abortion is allowed in islam; certain cases allow for women to have abortions, the only reason abortions arent allowed in islam is because we believe we shouldnt be the ones to take that life however, us muslims are tolerant and respectful people and so, we respect others who do choose to abort. We have no place to judge.
Furthermore, feminism is the fight for equality for both men AND women, not just women... its all about having equality for both genders 💗
do these women all use the same tube of lipstick, haircolor and plastic surgeon? They are identical, with the exception of the dark haired one.
Already watched something about this . .
Very creepy!!
This feels like a fever dream.
Simon Ghost Riley 😂😂😂
I believe when reporting on a controversial “religious” or social group, it’s imperative that the reporter does his or her homework and asks questions that are relative to the participants’ sociopolitical location. It’s easy to say these women were brainwashed; however there’s a deeper story here. And that’s a story any country can relate to, especially considering that this whole situation is eerie because it highlights the hyper sexualization of women and the unexplained wealth of men at the top of the social structure (which is a narrative all countries are guilty of sponsoring).
The mood shift at 16:32 LOL
I can feel how awkward it is to be in this kind of show
This whole assignment is creepy. The host seems to be tired. The guy glorifies woman yet still completely objectifies them. .... I hope he is at least footing the bill for their cosmetic procedures.
Aspirica James right, hope he’s paying for those hack jobs
Umm .. this is not even part of islam. Smh
It's like the Playboy Mansion with a little Islam thrown in.
There is 0 Islam in this. Trust me, I’m a Muslim.
please do not think that... it’s completely wrong
The incredible lack of analysis or real questions/journalistic integrity here is really shocking. It also seems like you put the interviewer in a dangerous physical situation. What a terrible indictment of you journalistic standards and critical understanding of the subject. Allowing the interviewer to be “made up” like a cult member??
I’ve seen this before.reupload?
Looks like it. czcams.com/video/7bH21w2R0hc/video.html was the original.
i remembered watching this way long ago, is this reuploaded?
I feel like I've already watched this but it says on the description that it was uploaded only 3days ago.
Edit: ahhh... so it was repurposed from broadly
I don't know when this video was shot but as far as I remember, one girl escaped from that cult(again not sure if she's back or not)... Maybe better find her and have a chat?
They look the same !! Its frightening
Is it reuploaded?
Yep
This is old
These women have been brainwashed. 💔
I seen this before about a year ago or longer! Why is it uploaded again?
This video is very old one ..
The oldest story in the world :) and continues.
Isn't this an old Vice doc or something?
That's what I thought too. According to the description box it was a broadly/ Bancroft video. I don't understand why they do this.
@@Em-fz5uh Because they are shady. Right at the time of the "black and white challenge" happening in Turkey about woman empowerment. would not expect this from a channel like this.
This is the most random cult I’ve ever seen ... poor her she seems so uncomfortable
Sam jam duh
I loved the kittens in the culty intro video.
wasn't this video uploaded quite a while back?
That guy Oktar, he has charisma, I give him that. His communication methods and mannerisms remind me of some TV evangelists, with the confidence and intensity and all that. He is also pretty handsome. No wonder he has managed to establish his cult. But as things go with cults, he ended up in prison on charges of fraud, blackmailing and sexual harassment. So a lot of bad stuff happened behind closed doors, which wasn't surprising. I hope the women who were abused by him and his cult are doing better these days ...
These lil music segment are super odd and uncomfortable to watch
You can tell some them do skin bleaching thats one reason why they look so unnatural on top of overly bleach hair and terrible cosmetic procedures
They are Russian though
Was really confused because I saw this on Broadley awhile back.
Check the description
I know, shady move. Dislike.
I saw this video a few years ago..
"This video was originally published on Broadly and is being repurposed by Refinery29."
What the actual f’k did I just watch?!
this video is from 2015. what's the point?
This exact video was uploaded 4 years ago in VICE life channel
Re upload?
This is actually all I’ve seen this like years ago
His radical un-islamic views resonate those of Shahrour, an engineer who took credit for books about Islam that he couldn't have written. Shahrour presented as Muslim but fought the fundamentals of Islam, he was praised for that in RAND report, which pushed "enlightened" islam instead of secularism as the alternative to orthodox Islam.
I destinctly rememver seeing this, at least a year ago, what Happened?
This was eye opening but I feel like R29 should’ve chose someone who was not biased. This is clearly a cult but she isn’t documenting without bias and that clearly shows on camera.
reupload?
This is probably the strangest thing I've ever seen.
What the *beep* did I just witness?😅😅😅 Music just started playing from nowhere and the kittens started dancing as if in a trance like they're in a cartoon and the villain has some kind of mind control gadget 😂😂😂
"A reality show that's really like a prison."
They re not allowed to show on Tv now, and Adnan is prisoner . And also after police raid, the women that she talked in studio had confessed about whats really going on and whats their purpose
Wasn't this on Veceland Channel?
I’m so confused where the “everyone looks the same” thing comes into this whole mindset religion creationism thing lol I have more questions at the end than I did when the video started
it doesn't take a feminist to identify and call out how horrifying it is to call anyone, especially women, their "ornament."
I'm sure he meant it with Honor..the guy gave many examples..the guys seemed.. Tutti Frutti though😳👏😂
When a belief system starts becoming cultish there are definite problems and religion is just one of the tools the leader uses. In this particular the case the problem is not Islam as many other world religions have this happen in their ranks.
I’m joining
what does quarantine have me watching??? LOL
Damm this video really flopped
this is such old news. do better if you're gonna shine a light on foreign issues and don't rely on reuploads. it's lazy.
the title is also full of inaccuracies : dark truth (what did you uncover?), islamic (everyone with a single braincell realises this has nothing to do with islam), feminist (i thought it was supposed to liberate not force women to wear make up) :) go refinery give us nothing :)
When you pepper your lies with some truths you can get away with anything.
The real dark truth is all those ladies roots.