The Rings of Power: Is This It?
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- The Rings of Power: Is This It?
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Original trailer concept: Bleach Opening 01
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When Sauron said "The ring is literal perfection.", then Galadriel said "It will be. When it fits a woman."... I got goosebumps.
🎵 I'M A WOMAAAAAAN🎵
We're pathetic aren't we for finding this funny? 😂😂😂
I cried butterfly tears
That I am a woman song in the trailer gets me every time 😂
@@bredwright ikr it's so cringe it's funny 🤣
Remember when Peter Jackson said that they weren't interested in putting their own messaging into a Tolkien adaptation? Those were the days.
Then we got the hobbit.
And it's been downhill from there.
But he did at least tweak Tolkien's themes to some extent. I'm trying to find it still, but there's an interview with Jackson where he said that, not being catholic, he didn't put too many of the catholic underpinnings that Tolkien put into the story into his movie.
And also, there's a huge theme of all of the movies about overcoming isolationism which is more Jackson's touch than Tolkien's. So this "we don't put our themes into Tolkien" is nice, but its not entirely true.
The funny thing is that this interview was hated by "purist" fans
Just a few examples from the 2001 thread:
"I'm not so much angry at the changes as I am in the way that Peter Jackson is speaking out of both sides of his mouth. He claims that he is being true to the Characters as J.R.R. wrote them, and that he is a huge fan and wouldn't make radical alteration to the mass media, and then attempting to smooth the feathers of the Real fan base by explaining and making statements that NEVER get the attention of the mass media. It's as though there are TWO of him.
He's playing a game...he's trying to keep the public ill informed so that they believe he is a genius...that he has created the definative movies from the books, and yet those of us who really DO see the books as wonderous gifts, portals to a completely different world inhabbited by marvelous characters who have real motivations and are aware of the deep and glorious history of their world, instead of a really neat bunch of stories to make money off of.
my complaint is with Peter Jackson, New Line Cinema and the major media outlets all making the claim that Peter Jackson is a genius and a true Tolkien purist who is working his hardest at bringing the definative telling of this story, and succeeding in creating Tolkien's intent and vision of the tale for the big screen. The ploy is quite obviously designed to convince the general public that this is going to be a direct screen adaptation of the original story and characters, and that Peter Jackson is some sort of mesianic wunderkind who read every chapter straight out of the book along with the cast before shooting the corresponding scene, then create a diatribe about how some Tolkien Scholar was wowed by the sets, and how the crew is painstakingly creating Swords and Props that have Elvish inscribed on them that actually MEANS something, yet not word one to address things like Peter Jackson INVENTING dialog, changing characters for no good reason and all the time bragging that he is being true to the Author's Characters and Story...
and here comes P.J. and his press department spinning tales of how this Director is going all out to reproduce the books in true form, when he has tossed many of these rules and laws out the window out of fear that an audience would be too stupid...or too uptight...or have too short of an attention span to ever accept, let alone enjoy the story that was voted one of the top ten greatest of the past millenium, and tell it in the manner that the author employed to thrill MILLIONS of readers since it's publication...
From the many quotes I've seen from PJ and actors, they have a pretty warped idea of "lover of the books" and "staying true to the story". What a load of two-sided, speaking out of both sides of the mouth, drivel!"
I know, I now appreciate exactly how well he did exactly, that. I'll never complain about 'dwarf tossing' and Arwen's heaving elven breasts again... nor that skate board shield Legolas uses in Helmsdeep. Heck, Peter Jackson did pretty well at keeping to the story!
@@taciobarbosa9706 yes he did change things around however it doesn't feel like a giant fucking betrayal it's still with in the quality of the books and there is no way in hell anyone could replicate Tokken it's like DBS when Akira is very much apart of the writing you notice but when he is hardly working on the story you get GT you probably some of the worse moments of Super and the odd scaling that Super has but when he is involved you get things like the Broly Movie
Then he made Arwen a protagonist in Fellowship because the books don't have female protagonists, so what's your point?
That part where Sauron started rapping "His palms are sweaty, knees weak, arms are heavy, there's vomit on his sweater already, mom's spaghetti, he's nervous, but on the surface he looks calm and ready" gave me literal chills. Such subtle yet powerful writing.
You mean that wasn’t m&m??? I mean Eminem?? 😂😂😂
That wasn’t actually sauron. That is a female actress who most likely is a follower of sauron. I don’t think they’d reveal sauron in a trailer
@@zgpvisuals7891 Supposedly Sauron, in his Annatar alter-ego, is the human castaway who "gets close" to Galadriel, who is a widow in this show. I have a horrible feeling that the show is going to ship them. 🤮
@@zgpvisuals7891 That was a woman?
I thought was Jeffrey Star🤣🤣 google it 😂
What makes me so upset is that the moment Christopher Tolkien died, the man who fought tooth and nail to preserve the legacy of his father’s work, the Tolkien Foundation sold Amazon the rights for this to make a quick buck.
Absolute SHAME.
I wish he could've "locked" this legacy somehow. . . So it couldn't be sold and (probably) trashed like Star Wars was.
I can hope it'll be good, but I'm not holding my breath.
Literal Sarumans
@@zxyatiywariii8 they didnt buy the rights to the whole series right? Thought they only bought the rights to the scraps
They had bought it before, production just ramped up a lot more quickly after his death. Thank God they don't have the rights to everything.
To answer the question "How do you fuck that up?" One word, politics. Any type you can think of, that's all it takes.
I remember growing up and hearing that the worst types of people in the world are lawyers and politicians. Now these are the very same types that are running everything and the heart and magic is completely gone.
So true, there was absolutely no politics in LotR. Subtext? What's that?
No wonder every character is either a politician or architecht.
Correction. Agenda. You can put politics in a story for the sake of the story. This however isn't the case. It was put their for an agenda
@@pewpewpandas9203 There weren’t any heavy handed identity politics. It’s more about the never-ending battle between good and evil. And Tolkien’s Catholic faith profoundly shaped his work
I imagined that the Galadriel of the Series would be a version of a "philosopher queen": a wise and orator who argued and fought against Annatar's reformist ideas. But a strong woman have to wear armor and beat men.
It’s strange how that become sort of a stereotype nowadays, right?
We live in sad times
I miss the days of characters like Evie or even Ripley.
Forget the fact she doesnt look fair and generic af like all elfs in this show
it is pure projection, they want a woman to oppress , belittle and dominate men.. you know like the Patriarchy BUWAHAHHAHAHHA
When Sauron said "It's ring'in time!", I truly felt that.
“Now this looks like a job for me, so all the orcs just follow me, cus Middle-Earth needs a little controversy, cus Mordor would feel so empty without me.”
-Slim Sauron
I'm crying
"Sauron, it sounds like a SOS"
Every time they show something about this show, it makes me glad that PJ got to tell a proper story about Tolkien's work in a time before all this lunacy.
A fucking men thank you PJ!
If they made it now imagine how the 9 members of the fellowship would look - one would have to be female (the strongest), at least one of colour, probably someone non-binary, any white males reduced to villains/idiots where possible etc. 100% that’s what would happen.
@@jameswoowaa479 They made Tar-Míriel black, even though that's biologically impossible, what with her being a direct descendant of Elrond's very white brother. So yeah, no doubt believing that garbage would come to pass.
By all rights that trilogy really shouldn't have been made for so many critical reasons, but it was love and passion and teamwork that famously made it come through. Even if it started to suffer a bit from over-handling, too much CGI and over emphasis on visuals rather than story by the time of the 3rd film, all in all it's amazing, nostalgiac, epic and most importantly BEAUTIFUL. It was the gift to mankind we didn't know we needed, both as a masterpiece film and as a legitimate gateway to the brilliant author Tolkien.
@@jameswoowaa479 Gimli would be black, with short hair and clean shaven. Pippin would be gay, Sam would be a woman. Gandalf would definitely be female. Aragorn would be black. I fucking hate that these idiots are doing this to this world. Woke culture fucking garbage.
*2017*
Amazon: “Game of Thrones is popular, let’s make something that looks like that, how about Lord of the Rings?”
Fans: “Okay, but what’s the story?”
Amazon: “We’re gonna spend a billion dollars on this!”
*2022*
Amazon: “Hey guys look at this show, it looks a lot like Game of Thrones but it’s Lord of the Rings!”
NPC #1: “I wanna bang Sauron”
NPC #2: “Look at the pretty colors!”
NPC #3: “Ooh it looks like Game of Thrones!”
Fans: “Okay, but what’s the story?”
Amazon: “Shut up, bigot.”
"What's the story?" is what the Loremasters asked Amazon before they got unceremoniously fired for asking too many questions.
the guy that wanted to make Sauron some tamable bad boy. God I still cringe.
@@B0redom13
urgg. i remember that.
sauron, biggest dark lord since his master, morgoth. a dude so damn evil, damn near every race on middle earth came together to stop him. a guy who corrupted a powerful kingdom into trying to lay siege to a holy land, only for god himself to come down and lay the smackdown on him and the whole island. a guy so damn evil, people spoke of him in hushed whispers and tones out of fear of him.
so called superfan: i kinda wanna bang him.
at least Asoiaf has a story
new prequel looks like it's going to be a lot better than rings of power
Back when it first broke that Amazon was looking for their Game of Thrones, something to put them on the map as a truly serious player in media, (this was well before Season 8) a guy I used to chat with online and I were kicking around what we thought/hoped/wanted it to be.
He desperately wanted Bezos to fund a live-action Berserk series. I was praying for a big-budget adaptation of John Ringo's Posleen war books.
I lost touch with that guy ages ago, but I bet if he looks back on that conversation now he feels like he dodged a huge bullet. I know I do.
I got literal chills when the music stopped and the trailer cut to Sauron saying: "You're cool. Don't come to Mordor tomorrow".
We needed to make the book more accessibility to all the people that didn’t like it, by excluding all the people that liked it..
lol that's basically it!
As a wise man once said. "If they aren't haters, they will love it".
When Sauron Shouted
“Thunder! Thunder! ThunderCats HO!!!!!!!”
It literally gave me the CHILLS
I think he really should be saying "ancient spirits of evil, dam me and this show to the bottom of hell and never let it out!!"
I really think think the armies of elves collectively shouting " Go joe" was better.
@@riftvallance2087 😂😂😭
The elf saying “it’s Tolkien time” was the best
remember movie spoofs? like Epic Movie? honestly this show would get a decent review if it was just taking the piss on purpose
Maybe the opening credits will read "Loosely based upon the interpretation of someone who read the cliff notes versions of the works of JRR Tolkien."
Or shortly - AU-OOC fanfic :D
When Gimli said "You gotta do better Sauron!!" i applauded.
My favorite part of the trailer is when Sauron said, "it's morbin time."
But really, putting a weak and ugly face to the villain Sauron like that is character assassination.
Morgin'*
@@TheMinecraftHype Yes
I am rewatching just clips of the Jackson trilogy and good lord it's like night and damn day. What a difference both talent and passion actually makes.
Yup, those trailers KNEW what they wanted and got the point clear.
We were gifted those movies and we will never get something like that again.
You’re just exaggerating, aesthetically pleasing, and has a good cast though the black/mixed race hobbits and dwarves are an odd choice.
@@justchilling704 I don't think there's anything odd about them. The show got the point acrossed loud and clear.. white guys are evil, dark skinned people aren't.
Oh, they're in here deleting comments... I wonder if it scares them that their notions can be so easily countered that they have to censor.
When Tar-Míriel says "i live my life a quarter mile at a time." to Galadriel, chills, literal chills.
And then when Galadriel said “…family”
So powerful ! 😱
And she's black now, and the only black woman in her family? Becuase that makes sense.
When Sauron is accepted into the family with the offer of a Corona beer, so nostalgic.
@@Hero_Of_Old was half expecting there to be a Wakanda easter egg hidden somewhere
@@Real_MisterSir yeah dude and Elrond was grilling up some burgers and carne Asada. A classic moment from the literature
At this point we just need to be grateful we got the original trilogy during the era we did because if it had been made today we would have never ever seen an accurate or faithful adaptation of the books ever.
They literally fired the Tolkien scholar for not falling in line with what they wanted to do. What a bunch of clowns.
You just know that any evil female characters in this show are gonna be redeemed at the end while all the evil mails are going to be irredeemable.
Good thing the Mail is SLOW…sorry
@@jeromesullivan4015 ROFL!!!!!!
@@jeromesullivan4015 Not if it's EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVIL EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEMAIL OOOooOOOOooooOOOOOOH "You're got EEEEEEEVIL Mail!"
What's an evil mails?
@@potita24 spam.
Galadriel: "Into it he poured his..."
Sauron: "He? His! My pronoun is Dark Lord!"
The books: Sauron takes on a pleasing form to beguile others into seeing him as benevolent.
This show: How could you not see that this kid was going to bring a gun to school?
Oh wow, I was *just* thinking “This guy (Sauron as Annatar) looks like an angst-ridden school shooter” when my eye fell on your comment!
I don't understand why Sauron - as Annatar - has a short buzzcut hairstyle that looks like it was made with a modern electric razor. That alone ruins the entire look of the character, it knocks him right out of the in-universe aesthetic, breaks our suspension of disbelief, and frankly makes him look like - as my friend put it - a school shooter, not the Lord of Gifts. He doesn't look like a character, he looks like an actor in costume.
And frankly, why could he not just have long hair? Why doesn't Elrond have long hair, or the other Elf males for that matter? Why are they all trimmed up like it's the modern day with gel-styled fluff? Is it because they're worried we won't be able to tell the difference and accidentally misgender a fictional character? Or do the "progressive" people who make the show draw the line at men with hair below their shoulders? It's just such a strange fucking choice, it seems to fly in the face of what we all know Tolkien Elves are meant to look like.
Because that's not Sauron. It's a purposeful misdirect by the showrunners to make people THINK it's Sauron.
Sauron will be revealed as another new character they've already introduced.
@@redinfernal_ agreed.
@@redinfernal_ rumor has it's an elf who works for Sauron.... because the people who wrote this show never read the source material....
@@redinfernal_ ... that doesn't really solve the issue that he doesn't look like he belongs in Middle Earth, though?
It always drives me crazy when the knights or Romans... or, any men in the costume dramas of the 1950s have the hair fashions of the year the movie was made... or the women are obviously wearing clothing made of fabrics that is totally modern or near modern.
"How do you fuck that up?" EXACTLY
Interesting thing is, if Rings of power wasn't based on Tolkien's work I might actually think it's ok. But when you base something on the works of someone as enigmatic as Tolkien you better bring the heat.
Too bad this show is probably gonna be soft serve ice cream.
Nah. Ice cream is good.
Tolkien was not enigmatic. He was pretty clear, actually.
God = good
Satan = bad
This is, however, not acceptable to the powers at Amazon.
@@deriznohappehquite I guess since neither God nor Satan are part of the Lord of the Rings stories, then it should be perfectly acceptable when they aren't in the show either.
@@musicinthemachine
Eru is a God expy
Melkor is a Satan expy
Unlike The Mirror of Galadriel, the Palantiri were never used (and couldn't be used) to sense or see the future or the past. Their purpose is communication. For them to see what they see it means that Sauron somehow obtained a palantir and that doesn't happen until the he takes over Minas Ithil in the Third Age. They basically made Galadriel and Miriel into cheap fortune tellers with crystal balls.
I'm pretty sure the past could be seen. Gandalf gets all wistful about it at one point, wanting to use Saruman's palantir to look back at old Valinor and Feanor creating the Silmarils.
Palantir apparently can be used to see into the past, as Gandalf actually was tempted to look into the Palantir to glimpse into the Forgotten West and see Feanor at work.
And "traumatized" Palantir could record some events and show them nonstop (Denethor burning).
But there is no mention of seeing the future and you are absolutely correct on all the other points.
The idea of Galadriel using Palantir is so terrible it turns my stomach, reserved for the Numenorian/Gondorian royalty and spesific officials as they are.
Miriel being strong independent Queen needing no man is... odd choice.
@@kkutani Really? I totally forgot about that. I guess it's time to read the books again.
@@matiasluukkanen7718 Totally forgot about what you said about Gandalf, but I do vaguely remember what you said about Denethor. It's definitely time to read the books again.
@@matiasluukkanen7718
Question, can the past seen by anyone or only by those who experienced it? I mean, is Gandalf the only one in the fellowship that see the Forgotten West in the Palatnir, or if (let's say) Legolas took a look he would see it too?
If that’s what Sauron looks without the armor, then I’m glad he never took it off in the Peter Jackson films. The heroes would died from laughter on the spot.
"The way she shakes it"
"I dont believe it"
"I never seen a butt like that"
"The way you take it"
"You make my scepter go"
"Boingboing boing"
actually, if I'm not mistaken, that armor in the movies is just a physical vessel created to host his spirit. Sauron's original body was destroyed during the fall of Numenor. It was described as a troubling embodiment of charm and beauty.
@@benjaminthibieroz4155 Sauron re-embodied. After the destruction of Numenor he could not take a 'fair form' again.
"Sauron should be thought of as very terrible. The form that he took was that of a man of more than human stature, but not gigantic. In his earlier incarnation he was able to veil his power (as Gandalf did) and could appear as a commanding figure of great strength of body and supremely royal demeanour and countenance."
Letter 246
It's not Sauron - just one of his acolytes, presumably. Another actor we've yet to see has been leaked to play Sauron.
That side eye turns any further then this character will be seeing backwards
I’ve never wanted to wake up from a nightmare so bad.
Irony that the plague that ruins established franchises and great original ideas is called "being woke".
But I get you, at this moment I start to believe in conspiracies that this is some sort of a way to control population, by taking masculinity out of men and promoting strong independent women, also LGBT agenda.
“…Like butter spread over too much bread.” Aside from your knowledge and insight, I love the way you sprinkle so many quotes through the clip… Thank you, it’s become a sport to attempt to recognise them all… The Silmarillion quotes are challenging, for instance.
When Morbius appears in the trailer & says "It's Mordorin' time" my entire cinema cheered!
I get the feeling that even with this beautiful look in the trailer, it doesn't have a soul, it doesn't have that ethereality and timelessness that the LOTR films (even with their problems) brought in the adaptation.
Worse, even those seeking diversity could delight in Harad as an inspiration from the myths and cultures of Africa or Rhûn drawing on the cultural and mythological richness of Asia. But the Woke world prefers a black elf instead to expand the map of Middle-earth
That is a good way to put it. There is nothing about the trailers that would compel anyone who has read more than the LOTR/Hobbit to feel compelled to watch. At least no in my opinion. Just more revisionist history.
it reminds me of Image comics from the late 1990s.
What problems did the original LOTR movies have? Besides excluding Tom Bombadil lol
“Hi there, this is B. B. King and there is a terrible calamity that has befallen the science fiction and fantasy fans, shows created without soul…”
Tolken literally told people it was okay to expand his works beyond what he did so long as they did not make changes to things he already established. The North, center, and West were established, South and East he gave everyone a free hand to use the setting.
Gotta love when a megacorporation "franchises" Tolkien for "content", writing a wholly new set of stories that scrubs what Tolkien ACTUALLY wrote, even calling it The Lord of the Rings only making their title a sub-title: his work becoming a palimpsest to much more digestible television for mainstream audiences, with Amazon ROP iconography dominating the cultural consciousness and all spaces and spheres of Tolkien discussion and licensed as merchandise everywhere. It's inappropriate. A co-opting, a hijacking, an appropriation.
"Evil cannot create, only corrupt that which has already been created."
-Some guy
Huh?
This makes little sense
Can you remember the first trailer for The Fellowship of the Ring?
How freaking mind blowing it was. Action, adventure and spectacle.
Those were the days.
My favorite part of the trailer was when galadriel said, "what are you, some kind of lord of the rings?" To Sauron and he responded with, "it's ringin time." And then she punches him cuz girl power
My favorite part was when Gandalf and batman morbed Morbgoth right up the ass. What a victory for lgbtqwop+-123$%, I had CHILLS
Every time I see that shot of "Sauron" I am expecting him to suddenly start rapping "If you had one shot or one opportunity to seize everything you ever wanted..."
I'm glad I'm not the only one.
That's not sauron
he looks like a bad fusion of eminem and a crack pipe.
seriously, how is anyone, let alone all of numinore, suppose to be fooled by this punk?
Stupid smh
☝️ this comment 😂
@ 3:20, the part of the trailer makes it seem that Galadriel, Warrior Princess, and Tar-Miriel, Yas Queen of Numbledor, have long been friends, and have shared deep thoughts, confidences, and probably some vigorous scissoring.
OMG...finally someone mention about the "Ring", cause since the 1st teaser until this new trailer...i've never seen any clip, scene or even the character talk about that when the ring is the main topic in this show 😅
I think they have told us what it's about. It's about women fighting men and black people being in chains and then getting out. That's it. That's the plot. Everything else will be low budget cosplay and fanfiction to carry those two things.
Any character that can stand next to a massive pile of helmets and not feel inescapable desire to climb up it and slide down the other side isn't a character I wish to watch a show about.
fucking lol
Another series to make all men as evil, weak, and irredeemable. While all form of women are strong, saint, anti-hero, and true leaders meant to rule above everyone. Wow, so heroic.
Not sure what trailer you watched, or if you even watched it at all, but I have watched it several time, including again after your comment, and can't imagine what you saw here that would suggest any such thing. Seems more like presupposition on your part. Seems that you, like most people posting here, have decided you don't like it before any of it even airs. Admittedly the trailer doesn't tell you much about the overall plot, but I see no reason to prejudge the show as a whole before it even comes out.
Exactly what I hate about modern Hollywood. Exactly. they can't keep balanced... yes, women can be strong, but keep the strong heroic men, too.
@@musicinthemachine Just what I have realize from repetition of current era. Good men, weak and probably will die early on most movies, while bad men suvive and make most damage before die and been laothed. While women, bad are just misunderstood for all women are born perfectly good must not be judge.
@@musicinthemachine well from all the trailers we've seen I can firmly make a case for why people feel this way. In one of the earlier trailers you had galdriel lecture Elron about an event that she wasn't even apart of or witnessed. An event that Elron was closer to then she was. They literally put galdriel in events that she was never part of just to make a male character look incompetent compared to her.
@@musicinthemachine Well making Galadriel - a warrior, not Elrond, who WERE a warrior at that time. Making half of numenorian army female, making Tar-Miriel ruller of Numenor, instead of Pharazon, inserting beardless dwarfen princess Dina into story... should I continiue? )
I love when Galadriel says: in the grim darkness of the far future - there is only war! Gave me goosebumps
I've seen a hundred of these now, but this one is the best. Congrats, you win 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Also, I was there the day Morbgoth slew the Emperor.
J.R.R Tolkien: *makes a realistically diverse world similar to how the real world worked in medieval times*
Amazon: *Makes people randomly from different parts of the world with no explanation*
They made the dwarves black.
The guys with lots of hair covering their face, who live their lives under miles of rock and dirt, famous for their cities inside mountains.
Those guys evolved to have more melanin, to protect against the sun.
Man, Sauron had its rough living in Detroit eating his mom spaghetti while trying to make it in the rap game.
As a 5+ decade long fan of J.R.R. Tolkien I am really looking forward to the deep pleasure of watching this series for the same reason the British navy did when they enjoyed the sinking of the German battleship Bismarck. You are spot on again as a movie trailer is an advertisement meant to gather interest in watching the production. All I have seen so far are 'meh' graphics and uninspiring dialogue. There is nothing that catches my attention whatsoever. What also makes me not care about these trailers is the deadpan acting. I just got finished with watching the past series on Henry the 8th. Excellent acting and dialogue. I have not seen any of that to inspire me to watch this series except for the opportunity to enjoy its upcoming failure.
Don’t watch it - it gives them money and the sense of a view all the same.
Instead, kick back, relax,’grab your favorite drink and watch the reviews instead.
It's extraordinary, how easy it is to spot a shabby series---if in a trailer they can't come up with even ONE memorable line of dialogue in a couple of minutes, the series is going to be unendurable.
(comment shadowbanned. YT deserved Agdham)
# In the year of 2022 Bezos had just begun
He had the biggest pile of cash, but ideas he had none
Rings of Power was the biggest show ever put on tv
And the shills all cried that criticism was naught but b!gotry.
Out of the cold and stormy night came actual Tolkien fans
And each saw ROP was horsesh!t, they knew it to a man
They had to sink this atrocity that p!ssed on Tolkien's grave
They'd lost enough already, but this they had to save.
We're gonna own the comment threads and kick up quite a fuss
We'll hammer them with ratios coz this show's looking sus
Hit the decks a-runnin' boys, and run their shills to ground
When we see their trailers we're gonna cut 'em down. #
with apologies to Johnny Horton
I'm not even giving it a hate watch.
@@johnstrawb3521 "ONE memorable line of dialogue"
"You have not seen it what I have seen." 🙄
Ohh wait...not THAT kind of memorable, heh.
"you have been told many lies of middle-earth" AH! there it is... Granted I have no context for who is saying this of what.... But this line may have just put into words why I am so fundamentally about the show when I'm not even that familiar with the pre-Hobbit history of middle-earth. It'd be easy to give up and try to salvage the show by saying "ah well they made a few tweaks, but so did Peter Jackson. Inevitably, it had to happen." But no, it's the fundamental premise within this line. The history of middle-earth that Tolkien himself wrote is a lie. Because Tolkien only wrote from the straight white male perspective. Tolkien's legendarium is a revisionist. The middle-earth you know is not so. Like by the way, Galadriel was actually a battle warrior (but Tolkien reduced her to a merely symbol of feminine grace and beauty because she's a woman). Oh, and Harfoots actually were important, but you didn't know because (they're actually black Hobbits). Elves can be black too (but you didn't know that because Tolkien didn't want to tell you). Female dwarves are beardless and black too (Tolkien was just wrong). It's this insistence that there's this fundamental error in Tolkien's history and they just have to fix it.... IDK about you guys, but I only read a "fix-it" fic when I believe the story needed fixing.
I think the most important part your statement is "Granted I have no context for who is saying this of what...". Says most of what needs to be said. Maybe try waiting for the show to actually come out before deciding it's no good. So far there has been what, 3 minutes total footage shown, none of with any context of when it takes place in the series. No movie ever has gone from book to movie or series without any changes, including Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings and Hobbit moves. Those turned out pretty good even with the changes. Not everything that works in a book will work for a series.
@@musicinthemachine When the show was announced, I did try to be hopeful. When they announced the cast, I waited to see if they would be Haradrim or Easterlings, etc. I'm not an extreme purist to the degree many are. I'm also willing to overlook minor things like bad costumes or CGI (even though they have really no excuse with a budget like they have). I was more than generous. And I am even willing to say some bits of the show look decent (for instance the two trees of Valinor).
However, I am not willing to sacrifice the spirit of Tolkien's work on the altar of woke... I'm a Protestant evangelical Christian, but I recognize that Tolkien was Catholic and regard, as Tolkien himself came to, that LOTR is fundamentally a Catholic work. But we would at least share common values and Tolkien is timeless enough that the themes are made clear. Meanwhile I'm afraid we also have plenty of statements, interviews, photos, clips, etc. to show that the writers do not share any of Tolkien's values, nor do they care to respect them. It has already pandered to intersectionality, it already has pandered to feminism, and it already has openly broken lore. That is quite enough for me. At this point, any good in the show is lost amidst a swirling sea of bad.
@@ohifonlyx33 First, just because Tolkien may have been Catholic, that doesn't mean his writing is a Catholic work. His books have nothing to do with real world religions. The only thing the Lord of the Rings has in common with Earth religions is that it was made up by a person. No movie that has ever been made based on a book, was ever made without changing any part of it. Things that work in a book won't always work in a movie or series. Also if by pandering to feminism, you mean treating women like they are real people instead the the property of men, then that is a good thing. Also allowing that people in a fictional story are allowed to have more than one skin tone, I don't see as any problem with regard to Tolkien's values. What you seem to think is "woke" is just normal reality of equality of people in the world. Woke itself is generally a term used by those who feel that others don't deserve to be on the same level as themselves for whatever reason. To those people all I can say is get over yourself already. I fully expect the series will be excellent. Could I be wrong? Sure. But I won't decide until AFTER I watch it.
@@musicinthemachine we don't want that bullshit in the Tolkien universe, it's not being racist, it's respecting a legendary work of art
I love your videos! Excellent commentary and so entertaining!! Thanks
On the bright side, now the Hobbit looks so much better in comparison.
I wasn't a fan of it before, but compared to this it's legit.
The Star Wars sequels effect comming in.
It's sad how people need something worse to appreciate something that was not that bad to begin with.
An Unexpected Journey is decent
Nope, Hobbit is varely watchable and suffers one major problem, just like this show will probably. CGI fest. LOTRO was genius because of its costumes and landscapes. A masterful blend of cgi but mainly costumes. Think of the Uruk Hai heads, Lurtzes head. You knew he is real and he would bite your face off. Hobbit looks nothing like that and probably this wont either.
@@laszlomatyasovszky7696 I agree that they used WAY to much CGI in The Hobbit (everyone agrees on that), but at least those films FELT like they were a part of the universe. Granted, nothing can come even close to The Lord Of The Rings trilogy, but there was still some sense of cohesiveness. This atrocity, on the other hand....
I know Tar-Miriel.
That's no Tar-Miriel.
Tar-Miriel isn't from Harad.
Lmao I had some smart-ass tell me that race swap was fine cause Harad exists (???) just earlier 😂
@@abelbabel8484 And the Numenoreans, especially in Tar-Miriel's time, did not treat the Harad people as enything approaching equals. They were basically a semi-conquered client state, iirc. And they would not have accepted any Haradrim into the nobility, much less the royal family, as Numenoreans were quite obsessed with their historic bloodlines.
I don't understand why people keep saying the show "looks good". Everything screams green screen and digital sets. Even some of the keying is off in some scenes.
Gorthaur may be by far the greatest and most sinister sounding of Saurons many names but in elder times, the name Eminem also struck fear into the hearts of elves, dwarfs and men.
Everywhere I look people say they hate this. But I know when it comes out the media will claim it is a masterpiece and it has broken all records for viewership. The truth will never be known.
Only there are a lot of people who do watch any garbage that comes on the screen. Just look at the CZcams trending page for proof.
When the trailer came out on IGN I saw quite a bit of comments repeating the same thing, "The visuals are good, but the story will make or break the show." That alone should tell you the amount of people that will watch this show. Despite many others knowing that it isn't worth the watch.
This is what I think. Amazon will claim it's their most watched show ever, breaks all records blah blah. We won't be able to prove otherwise. But it will be interesting to see if they put up the price of Prime etc in order to recoup their massive losses. That could be an indication of the reality of the matter.
@@SGABlencathra The price for Prime ist going up 25% in September ;)
Received an E-mail this morning...
@@frankblack8573 I've just seen! Bloody hell, I seem to have blessed with the gift of foresight for once. I'll buy a lottery ticket this weekend. 😄 But am I detecting a slight whiff of panic coming from Amazon? Seems like it. 25% is a LOT.
Clearly the One Ring is made of...Blue Steel, I'll see myself out.
Middle earth Magnum
Sauron says relax??
Sauron is one hot little potato right now...
It's a walk off.
Did he just laughed? I've never heard his laugh in his video. Props to Amazon for making him laugh.
I actually really liked the analogy : "Imagine if hbo released a show named Game of thrones, but never showed anything related to the throne just white walkers. This is what amazon is doing with rings of Power"
As someone who's read the legendarium for 40yrs I'm struggling to even start with all the things that are confusing the hell out of ME in this trailer. What about the casual observers largely unfamiliar with Tolkien's work? They are the TARGET audience after all. I'm so glad that you're pointing this out. Even putting Tolkien aside for a moment this trailer is a MESS. It's shockingly amateurish in it's structure and painfully generic in its execution. A little point of correction: Howard Shore is only composing the score of this show not the body of music within (as far as I know and anybody is able to make out) so the internal music is far from being secure in its quality.
You also raised a point I didn't think of. The old dude would have NO CLUE about Sauron. This is the Second Age. He was but a lieutenant of Morgoth throughout the Wars of Beleriand and had NOTHING to do with Middle-Earth until the aftermath of the War of Wrath. Even the fc*king Seers wouldn't know who he was until after he manifested and his true identity was revealed!
@@HeavyTopspin Music alone cannot save terrible writing.
Its honestly ridiculous how much that one opening clip of the pile of helmets really says about how much they DON'T CARE about this franchise by dint of the simple fact that the big pile of helmets of those that fell in the name of protecting the free peoples of middle earth, is just OFF TO THE SIDE AND DOESN'T EVEN TAKE UP HALF OF THE SCREEN
Literally just centering the camera on the woman's back, then drawing back to reveal the pile to be bigger than you first imagined would've been better since it wouldn't have undercut its own message in less than a second
Lord of the Rings deserved better, and they clearly don't care to give it what it deserves
and the less said about buzz cut sauron the better
Holy shit there are some things about this show that I'm not a big fan of but this is just nitpicking to the highest level. There's literally a wider shot in the trailer which shows the entire pile of helmets dwarfing Galadriel.
Except buzz cut _isn't_ Sauron, that's just a red herring to disguise [SPOILER ALERT (not that it really matters)]...
...that Sauron's ACTUALLY taken the form of Halbrand (or however his name's spelt), i.e. a human form which he canonically NEVER TOOK.
My first thought was what a waste of helmets. Use those to resupply the armour of the remaining soldiers
@@spartanK42 that's exactly the shot I was talking about, what with it just being off to the side and not even taking up half of the screen
I can clearly see what it was intending to say, but it just immediately undercuts itself
It's small, yes, but this is LORD OF THE GODDAMN RINGS, the kind of series you iron out every single possible detail to the best of your ability because it DESERVES that level of care
The fact that it wasn't shows that they don't care
@@markointhesky Oh ok. But that still seems like such a subjective aspect to feel so strongly about. The shot composition seems solid, the whole shot imo looks beautiful with the lighting coming from the left. Could the shot have been composed better? Maybe, but the shot successfully tells what it needs to tell.
I just don't understand. What did you want it to look like? Did you want more helmets so that the pile takes up a bigger portion of the frame? Did you want the helmet pile in the center of the shot? Again very subjective stuff. We don't even know the full context of the shot so coming to the conclusion that "THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT LOTR" is such a huge leap.
Also that buzz cut Eminem looking woman isn't Sauron.
The elves and numenorians moving with the exaggerated swagger of a black teen sends shivers down my spine!
I hope The Rings of Power is actually just a series of trailers, it could go on forever.
Allegedly the Eminem knockoff isn't Sauron at all, Sauron is apparently the dude you see walking up in front of a crowd later(?) in the trailer.
Yes, the human guy... human...
@@clogs4956 I get he’s a shapeshifter but what!?
Halbrand.
if Sauron is supposed to this Halbrand character, that's just as bad if not worse. If they are going to blame Halbrand/Sauron for being responsible for Numenor turning to the dark side it goes against the lore that it was their fear of death that initially and slowly put them on this path. If Sauron just does it then it robs them of agency and accountability. By the time of Ar-Pharazon Numenor was more of an Imperialistic power and he was hardly a good man having usurped power from his cousin.
Of course that’s not Sauron. It’s the real Slim Shady.
Slim Sauron
Looks awesome! Can't wait for this.
The trailers are all sizzle, no steak. A hot pan with $1 billion worth of oil, but absolutely nothing to eat.
The start of that trailer sounds almost exactly like the intro to one of the Sabaton Great War history music videos.
the difference is that those music videos are good to watch these teasers... no :v
I'm pretty sure that Howard is only doing the Main theme, and Bear McReary is doing the rest. But I could be wrong.
Like John Williams with Kenobi
Bear McReary did an awesome job with the Godzilla King of the Monsters score. I don’t think he can salvage this show, though.
"The timeline is totally FUBAR" --> perhaps even more importantly, his CHARACTER is totally FUBAR. I already commented on this on one of your previous videos, but BY GOD does it bear repeating: Finrod is one of my all-time favourites in all of Tolkien's lore, and to see him so simplistically eviscerated, even as mere background to this "story", just utterly hurts my soul.
First off, the look they've gone with for the character is completely bonkers; short-haired Elves with blatantly human features, really? That honestly maims the eye more than the beardless Dwarves for me. And Finrod himself is described as the "finest and fairest" among even the Eldar, he's so angelically beautiful in face and body and voice that the Edain thought they'd reached Valinor itself just by seeing and hearing him play his harp before them. Elena Kukanova has done such incredible renditions of him through the years, Amazon could have literally used her art as the readiest reference on Earth for him, but apparently cannot be arsed to perform a grand total of two Google searches.
Worse yet, these trailers appear to be depicting him as having perished in a battle of some sort. Which is SUCH. LORE-BREAKING. BULLSHIT. Finrod's death is arguably the most important aspect of his journey as a person, precisely because it has NOTHING to do with glory or conquest or even the defence of a stronghold. Finrod Felagund, finest and fairest of all Elves, dies in brutal, unarmed combat with a Werewolf to save a life none in his kingdom thought worthy of love or help -- that of the mortal Man Beren. He dies naked and battered and bitten to bloody death, in the dungeons of a tower he himself had built once upon a time that Sauron had taken from him and then imprisoned him in. And he dies willingly and gladly for the sake of a single mortal life, something unthinkable to most Elves, among whom Finrod was so beloved and revered. You're telling me you're gonna take something THIS POIGNANT and regurgitate it in the form of the most generic scenario possible, him dying in combat like a random soldier just so wannabe-Galadriel can have some man-pain sprinkled atop her motivations? Nonsense of the highest order.
Beautifully said. I feel your deep love and passion for the wonderful stories 🙂
Love the part where the dwarf king says... "By Grabthar's hammer, by the suns of Worvan, you shall be avenged!" ... I almost cried
Also all the armours look far too advanced and not middle earth, considering in the third age everyone was meant to actually be wearing chainmail armour, I very much doubt thousands of years previous they had more advanced armour,
Plus in the trailer it looks far too shiny and fake, and lacking pattern or beauty. Peter Jackson’s elf armour had that.
Thanks for reading out the intro to Lord of the rings by the way! Still gives me goosebumps!!! And you did it so well!!!!😃😀😉👍
Actually, metal craft and the like were at their peak during the Second Age. Numenor, for men were a peak civilisation and everything they built or crafted was incredible. Pretty sure the same goes for the Elves and Dwarves. But hey, if I'm wrong I don't mind being wrong, would love feedback.
It is all about time. Chainmail takes a ridiculous long time to craft. You could make plate armor from styrofoam and be moving on to the next set in less than a few hours.
@@michaelterpea6283 that plate still looks damn ugly though
@@zachofthebattery2864 Whole different kettle of fish that hahaha
The armor looks bad cause they didn’t hire two guys to make every piece of chain mail by hand until their fingerprints came off. PJ did that. Details matter if you want an authentic look.
They should've made Sauron appear elegant and mystical, when he's in his disguised form he's supposed to appear beautiful to better deceive people around him.
Perhaps they could've shown that but not hint it being him, to better surprise the audience when it's released
That is not Sauron - just an acolyte. Sauron has been leaked as another (unseen) actor.
Never have so many looked forward to not watching a new release with so much enthusiasm.
The spiritual crisis that led to the Downfall of Númenor deserves to be portrayed as a progressive process that was not started by Sauron. In contrast, the trailer of Amazon shows a rushed, compressed story whose events were caused only by Sauron, and that's wrong.
But the trailer even does not show us if we are going to see the Fall of Numenor at all :D
Bingo. Aside from the distortions and “adjustments” of the lore that we were expecting to encounter, the trailer on its own merits was too deliberately enigmatic and mercurial. It teases and confuses rather than delineates. Serious Tolkien fans should at least be able to identify almost all of the motifs at work in the trailer, but even we/they are left guessing. It appears to be more of a collage than a proper trailer. Visually stunning, certainly, but incoherent, to put it mildly. As for the androgynous figure with the blonde buzzcut and what appear to be two zits (or spider bites-Shelob?) on his/its left cheek, that can’t possibly be Sauron. What a foolish and anticlimactic “reveal” that would be … on top of an oblique “trailer.” It only seems plausible that Sauron is in some way related to the meteor and its hairy occupant. Maybe blondie is a minion of Sauron or another escaped spirit from Valinor, perhaps a fire-spirit/balrog incarnated in flesh? A cohesive, linear trailer would be advisable before the series launch, I’d say. But does the world even “do” cohesive, anymore? Everything’s gotta friggin’ intersect until structural thought is reduced to fragments. Good luck, Tolkien fans and lovers of storytelling. I am going to watch the show and hope for the best, wish for the best. No one should want such an effort to fail, if for the honor of Tolkien’s mythology alone. And I’m certain many artistic careers, large and small, are riding on this. We shall soon see.
don't you worry none. When the first few episodes come out (and likely having little to do with the lore except the barest scraps) the usual critics will praise the show for being stunning and breaking new ground and whatever else Bezos pays them to say.
It just takes me back to when I saw the first trailer for The Fellowship of the Ring many years ago. They used a shot from "The Ring Goes South" portion of the film where every member of the Fellowship crests a hill. I got chills watching it bc I could tell exactly who every character was by the casting, acting, and costumes. With these RoP trailers, if I hadn't already known who has been cast in which roles, the only person I would recognize would be galadriel, and even then I would doubt myself bc of how they are choosing to portray her.
My first thought when I saw this trailer was that this would not happen. Can you imagine Glaladriel, an Elf Queen, or other elves piling up the bare skulls of their fallen dead in a huge , horrific, mountainous pile? I might see some privative tribe of head hunters doing that, but elves? Yeah, I don't think so. How would you react to seeing the heads of your honored dead piled up like that, after a modern day battle? I, for one, would not react well. That is more the kind if thing that enemy orcs would do. and Orcs would do such a thing only to insult, terrorize and humiliate their enemies. Elves are the most educated, civilized of beings in Middle Earth. They would bury or burn a body, do something to honor the fallen, their lost loved ones----I bloody well cannot see them piling up bare skulls. I do not think that Queen Galadriel would treat the remains of an enemy with such disrespect, much less a loved one. I have to agree, this trailer was just as bad as the others before it. I also agree that Amazon wrote themselves into a corner. They did not think people would react so negatively to their show and now don't know what to do. There probably IS no plot, and most likely will involve pretty poor story telling. The attitude of the entertainment industry is that customers just look at the pretty pictures, and supposedly don't care about characters, consistency, good story telling, or plots that make sense. So they treat us like brainless toddlers, give us pretty pictures and loud noises, and forget that there is actually supposed to be a story in there somewhere.
2:50 if Galadriel would have set foot in Numenor during the Reign of Ar-Pharazon she would have been killed on sight (before Saurons corruption of the king) or sacrificed to Morgoth in Saurons temple, as a matter of fact...
Yup. Numenor was a dark, dark place then.
How much you wanna bet they're gonna just fuse Morgoth and Sauron into one being?
I’ll be spending my time rewatching the Hobbit and Lord of the Rings
@@AJadedLizard yes
I want to take a moment to say, deeply and sincerely, thank you to ALL of the fans and content creators like JSG who stood up to, and against, the atrocities being committed against LOTR, and those who seek to defile and destroy this franchise as woke wood did to everything else.
It's the only you can enjoy these trainwrecks..gets me excited to think of them dropping tbh.. oh what fun it shall be!
Thanking the troops for checks notes not being able to understand a piece of media at a fundmental level and then bitching on the internet. Truly the giants among us
LOL. Grow up. Nobody will force you to watch it.
The part where Galadriel screams "Pussy powerrrrr !!!" as they all run into battle had me standing up in applause.
As it happens, I recently saw "Spartacus" in the theatre (40mm print). Want to know what Sauron looks like?
Laurence Olivier playing Marcus Licinius Crassus, _that's_ what Sauron likes like.
snails and oysters the Ring of desire 😏
If the dead guy is Finrod then they also messed with more of the story because Galadriel never saw the dead body of Finrod. He was killed on Tol in Gaurhoth (Minus Tirith) and buried there until the seas covered Beleriand
JSG, I missed you, man.
The inability to lay out the timeline clearly, and lack of care when it comes to respecting the lore, makes it very obvious that the writers are not fans of Tolkien's work!
Anyone can see that all they're doing, is using Tolkien's name to put eyes on their new world! They never had any intention of being faithful to Tolkien, they literally want to erase his work, and replace it with their trash!
New actor interviews confirm this explicitly.
JSG, love the lotr references used as put downs for the show. Makes my nerdy side smile every time.
“But they were deceived, for another ring was made” yeah…the ring of power, a ring forged through hatred and cruelty of amazon
Why did they even bother buying the rights to the Lord of the Rings if they were just going to discard 90% of it to tell their own original story? They could've just made their own fantasy series.
I just don't understand why so many Hollywood productions do this. You buy a recognizable name because of the built-in audience that comes with it, but the built-in audience isn't going to stick around if you're completely disrespecting the source material they're fans of; and new viewers aren't going to care what it's based on. So why do it, other than just to deliberately destroy something people love?
That's it, isn't it? All this is just to deliberately take a popular western myth and corrupt it in service of the modern agenda, because the original beloved property is now "problematic".
When Ar Pharazon said "The age of men has come...wo-men." I got chills.
When the the dwarf Princess Disa said, “It’s dwarfin time,” before she ran off to an ahílate the Harfoots, I almost cried. The passion behind that line was unmatched by anything I’ve ever heard in LOTR.
I'm pretty sure that isn't Sauron. This is an actress called Bridie Sisson, probably a cult priestess or something.
My guess is that the character Halbrand is Sauron, and maybe the actor Anson Boon is playing Sauron in a different aspect.
sauron in the second age could shape shift (first age too he turned into a werewolf) and he took on the guise of a beautiful craftsman to fool the the elves so he should look like thranduil not the crack addled skinhead stand in, they have instead
@@zachofthebattery2864 Yup I know. But I have read that the skinhead isn't Sauron.
After Morgoth defeat, Sauron hid himself for a bunch of years, beginning to secretly build up Mordor and disguise himself to fool the Elves.
Men wouldn't encounter Sauron till after he made the rings, and after being defeated Sauron go back to Mordor and rebuild for another few centuries so Men wouldn't remember him after that long.
No idea how a random old man could just know Sauron's name when taking that kid's wrist. Is he an Elf or live like a few hundred years?
Love the scene from A History Of Violence!🤣🤣. Nice touch!!!👍🏾
Can't wait for Sauron to say "At last, I am the Lord of the Rings. I have forged the Rings of Power"
I recut the Rings of Power trailer how it should have been. It actually tells us what the story should be about. Even though Amazon clearly doesn't know, or what tell us.
God I can't wait for this show to actually come out. It's going to be RLM Star Trek Picard levels of pain. Can't wait.
Mr neither! CZcams is gunna explode with piss taking reviews!! Glooorious!! I just hope any who watches it for a laugh..does it with torrents..so the veil counts won't be seen, or money gained for Amazon.. disney.. Netflix all the bastards who recon our beloved characters/stories..
Another great video
The visuals and music are all they got, so it's all they show us
side thing that puzzle me: Tar miriel familiarly calling Galadriel by her name...
Remember the godlike eerie queen in the Lord of the ring every one including Aragorn called "Lady of Lorien" in respect? They have no clue about what character they're dealing with.
Because they're BFFs now..duh!
I think the answers to your question might well be just how limited the rights they actually hare are. Like, I don't know if Morgoth actually appears in the Appendices, so it's possible that in their version of the story they can't have Morgoth be part of the backstory.
In the book of Fellowship of the Ring, Aragorn made a brief mention of Morgoth and his relationship with Sauron, when telling the Hobbits about Beren and Lúthien, on Weathertop. The Appendices mention Morgoth briefly when explaining the elvish ancestry of Aragorn. Nonetheless it is scarce information compared to the Silmarillion.
When Melkor, with his dying breath muttered “Rosebud” and his limp hand let slip the snow globe... I felt my soul move and a single jewel like tear trace it’s way down a weary cheek
perfection
Someone called him "Eminem looking mofo." Since them it's stuck in my head. Also, supposedly that's not Sauron. But if he's not, who is he? Why is he so "important?" Your questions and concerns have been valid from the get go.