Just keep hammering them with that. And another charecteristic of evil; they think that the end justifies the means, instead of the other way around. Evil hates beautiful things and values lies over the truth. Amazon is all of that, and more.
The moment Galadriel said "her palms are sweaty, knees weak arms are heavy" before fighting the misogynist troll was truly breathtaking. Tolkien (he/him) was ahead of his time👌
i find it very interesting that the show expects the viewer to be familiar with the lore yet also doesn't want them to care about it too much. Its all around very convenient.
Two things: 1. Someone on the staff really loved The Dark Crystal as a kid, and the whole rock-breaking contest is an homage to the Skeksis Trial by Stone that they felt like they just had to shoe-horn in here. 2. The thing in the chest is Marsellus Wallace's soul, obviously. This is the writer's nod to Harvey Weinstein's threat to Peter Jackson to take the trilogy away and give it to Tarantino to make into one two and a half hour movie. Deep cut, very meta.
The worst thing about your first point is I wouldn't have a problem if it was an original IP, but you have no business shoving cheesy easter eggs into another creators work. It is just one of many examples of how the writers of this show have absolutely zero respect for Tolkien, his legacy, or his fan-base.
"Someone on the staff -really- mildly loved -The Dark Crystal- Netflix's Dark Crystal sequel and rerun of the original movie a couple of years back, and etc."
@@oscarjimenezgarrido7591 Uuuh...LOL ! No you didn't fix it. You just added your own spin to it. What Aaron wrote, and said quite clearly, is about the First Original "Dark Crystal" and a staff's (Nothing mildly about it) penchant for it "As A Kid" and that's 'All' he meant. You're welcome. 😁👍
The fuck do either of these matter to the continued story of the lord of the rings? If stupid pop culture references were the writers priorities, they should've made a marvel film.
We, the actual Tolkien fans, stand in relentless solidarity against the desecration of Professor Tolkien's lore, vision and messages for the purposes of shallow virtue-signalling and tokenism. We invite true fans everywhere to stand with us, read the books, and share Tolkien's true spirit and messages. Evil cannot create, it can only corrupt.
If there's one good thing that came from this sorry excuse of a show is that many people like myself have taken up the books to read the actual Tolkien work
Wisdom was what made her powerful. She was one of the strongest because of her prowess within the mind and soul. knew her path. Strengths and weaknesses. ECT. This is not the same character. She was Athena goddess of wisdom, now she's daddy issues wrath incarcerated.
This is exactly how it felt when we got the sequels for Star Wars, and suddenly we realized that the prequels weren't all that bad. We always think 'it couldn't possibly get worse' and then... it _does._ 😭
I liked the Star Wars prequels despite being worse than Star Wars original trilogy. I never understood the hatred for them. I liked Ewan Mc Gregor as young Obi Wan, Nathalie Portman as Padme, Jake Lloyd as child Anakin Skywalker and Hayden Christensen as late teenage/young adult Anakin Skywalker, Samuel Jackson as Master Windu, Christopher Lee as Count Doku, Ian Mc Diarmid as Palpatine, Liam Neeson as Qui Gon Jinn. I loved the pod race and many other things. Of course some dialogues could have been better and maybe Anakin Skywalkers fall to dark side was a bit rushed. But overall it was okay. But as you said Star Wars sequels were bad and an abomination. The same opinion as i have for Star Wars Prequels i have towards "The Hobbit" trilogy. It wasnt as great as Peter Jacksons "Lord of the Ring" adaptation but overall it was okay. Especially Martin Freeman as young Bilbo Baggins who captured a lot features of old Bilbo Baggins played by Ian Holm eg. being annoyed by random guests who want to visit him. The biggest critics for hobbit was to much CGI. The Orcs from Hobbit looked ridculous compared with Urukai from Lord of the Ring. But this show is just modern woke agenda from Hollywood. I ve seen 2 episodes and dont like it though the introduction with the 2 trees was not so bad. But i cant stand all this bullsh*t eg. intersectional feminism: women are strong and men just useless betamales, diversity on wrong places, .....
@@pablito4762 I think the issue with the prequels was that the originals were great, so we expected greatness. The prequels were just ok, but relative to our expectations, they were shit. Then the sequels came around to show us what shit really looked like, and we realized that the prequels, which we had perceived to be shit, were in fact just ok.
The prequels are still bad. The good is buried underneath so much clutter. But at least I can say they were done in good faith and passion for the work. And I’d rather have that than a film that makes you feel absolutely nothing at all.
I just watched the scene in the trilogy where the fellowship meet galadriel and celeborn. It is such a cool scene. Both her and her husband carry so much unspoken power that every member of the fellowship is humbled and even slightly afraid. She radiates power and confidence.
I'm so thankful for this review. Now I don't have to give Amazon the satisfaction of me watching a single minute of the series. I'll just pull out my Lord of the Rings books and reread them.
I *DID* watch the first two episodes. Afterwards I really had to start re-reading LOR trilogy just to re-affirm that Tolkien wasn't really shit!! I'm never watching anymore ROP!
"Tolkien Untangled" has some videos talking about how he would make a Second Age show... but he actually walks through history instead of jumbling it all together. In his vision, by season 3, we come to understand the origins of the Ring of Barahir and the rise of two "factions" of Numenor and his whole concept of having the show explore the contrast between the immortality of elves (the line of Elrond) vs. the death and decay of men (line of Elros) is really cool.
In a few LoTR groups I'm in, I'm seeing the Last Jedi split all over again, the community divided by 2 But I'm happy that people are agreeing that the show is bad and that doesn't make you a bad person for not liking it, LoTR fans are Miles ahead of SW fans
Once upon a time there was a well liked smartphone and OS designer called Palm. And this Palm had a team of Developers who made an overly complex OS that the public couldn't quite stand and they went out of business. and so a company called Blackberry/RIM HIRED that same team to make THEIR new OS, and they said, let's do that thing we did for Palm, only x10 and made a new Blackberry OS that behaved like an SNL skit about smartphone OSes. And Blackberry disappeared as well. And perhaps that team now works on Amazon shows.
Durin being pissy about Elrond not coming to visit for his wedding and kids CAN be kind of justified, by the show's logic. After all, Elrond and Celebrimbor apparently walk from Eregion to Khazad-Dum in an afternoon. No traveling clothes, no food, just wearing long, flowing robes the entire way. So clearly it's right next door. The same as walking down the block to visit your friend. Right? I'm still baffled that they've essentially written Celeborn out of the story. How can you get rid of him and still have ANY of the events play out the way they did? No Celeborn means Galadriel isn't married to him, which means they don't rule Lothlorien, they don't have Celebrian, which means she doesn't marry Elrond, meaning Elrohir, Elladan, and Arwen aren't born, and Arwen doesn't fall in love with Aragorn.
They're heavily applying modern sensibilities to the medieval fantasy. Like being pissed at a friend cuz you lost contact with them as if they had cell phones. These characters are unbelievable which hurts the story greatly.
My problem with it is my same problem with most modern television. We don't have TV shows anymore. We have TV tells. The characters tell you what they're thinking with no subtext, no settled, no communication through gestures or what is left unsaid. The characters tell you what actions they are doing as they perform them as if you cannot see what is happening on the screen. The characters tell you what they will do what they have done and they don't show you anything. Acting and writing are about what you hold back. This script was written in crayon.
1. What surprised me, but shouldn’t have, is that supporters of this show want us to believe, simultaneously, that “Tolkien’s work applies to everyone and is easily inclusive of this kind of diversity” and “Tolkien was a racist writer and we had to fix his world.” 2. Keanu’s ass is a natural wonder of the world and could be incorporated into almost any movie. Its inclusion would have greatly improved _this_ show, for sure. Sorry, I don’t make the rules.
Also, Tolkien was white supremacist and his outspoken criticism of Hitler was meaningless. Their cognitive dissonance is what happens when you invert reality and use that as a basis for your ideology ,why by the way is anything but inclusive and promotes discrimination, it is just okay because it is discrimination against white men right down to selective morality based upon revisionist history.
Truthfully, I would have liked if Amazon had put all that money into their own High Fantasy world. I would have been more inclined to watch it without any thought to expectation or judgment.
Exaaaactly. Drawing a mustache and devil horns on the Mona Lisa is just going to enrage people. Make your own art. Don’t desecrate something people already love.
That would be ideal. But then again, they wouldn't have a large established fanbase to fleece. I'm absolutely convinced that whatever functionary at Amazon ended up giving approval for this series only did so because they saw Tolkien fans as dollar signs.
Basing this in the Elder Scrolls world would have been fantastic.. BUT the fact remains, as long as they keep hiring activists pretending to be artists, it would still be terrible.
I think it just proves the age old lesson… You can have all the money in the world, but if you don’t have passion or care in the quality of work you’re doing, especially with someone else’s work, people see right through that. It doesn’t matter how much money you have. Bad writing never wins.
I think Tom Shippy may have noticed all the flaws and inconsistencies that you have, but when he voiced his concerns...well, he became the example of what happens to those who question the Writers Room
Tom Shippey leaving was a red flag. With so much money, they could have made an incredible show. Even though I'm considered a 'purest' by the most normal people, it didn't need to 100% perfect (for me), but it did need to be a faithful attempt to respect the lore. That's all I wanted. 😢
That would have fixed the acting but not the script. To improve the script, they would need a really good paper shredder. And an army of preschoolers with craft glue.
Thank you for pointing out the logic problems with forced diversity! too many people only back the argument with the fact that Tolkien didnt describe them that way...when there are plenty of reality based contradictions with multiracialness in peoples that are small, geographically isolated, northern, underground, genetically homogenous tribes/clans. plus its not really how the real world looks... it is just how america looks, and some parts of britain... and places where refugee populations have been allowed in. For the most part, ethnicity is tantamount to nationality and race.
Orcs coming out of the ground, humans calling elves "knife-ears", elevators in dwarven cities... This is looking more like a Dragon Age story than Tolkien. Even that orc looks more like a darkspawn than an orc. You can clearly see that the writers have no respect for the lore or for the fantasy genre whatsoever. For them all fantasy is interchangeable. It doesn't matter if you telling a story in Middle Earth, the Sword Coast or Eberon. They put it all in the same pot. They are incapable of understanding that Tolkien's world is very different and has a certain tone to it that makes it unique despite having thousands of copies. And each copy brings something different and a lot of them become unique in their own way. If you can't understand those subtle differences, you have no place in writing fantasy. And if you can't translate the tone of the original work into your work, you have no place in adapting any work of art to another medium or creating anything derivated from it. There are a lot of problems in Jackson's adaptation, but at least it felt familiar. I felt that was the same world I read on the books, even though there are times that I was like: "this isn't how I read it". (For example the burden of the ring being represented as the ring being actually heavy on Frodo's neck and bruising it. To me, when Tolkien said that the ring was a burden he meant it psychologically.)
@@tenshiginakuch2388 Knife-ears are how elves are derogatory called in the Dragon Age games by the other races. They literally got the lore of other world and put it in there.
What I thought they could show: a) Sauron as a Promethean figure impacting the peoples, beliefs and cultures of prehistoric men, in a religious engineering; b) Galadriel reflecting on her role and moving towards the queen-philosopher archetype; c) Show Harad and Rhûn an inspiration (as Tolkien said in 1966) from the myths and histories of Africa and Asia. d) I would have shown Ar-pharazôn in a scene similar to the opening of the movie Gladiator. How a general thought that to rule is to conquer and became easy prey of Sauron. But only elves, only dwarves, only hobbits. And that's after 6 movies.
They should have started with voyages of Aldarion, and story of Aldarion and Erendis. If you have 8 hours for one season alone, let human cast die between each season, demonstrating mortality of man. Let each season show one vital choke-point in Numenorean history. You could thus show evolution of Numenor into imperialist tyranny from idealistic beginnings.
@@matiasluukkanen7718 I agree. Opening montage of Numenorian sailors and kings spreading across Middle Earth. Showing Kings rise and die, and mirroring that with the undying, unchanging elves would be powerful imagery that sets the tone of a series about the Alkallabeth.
@@matiasluukkanen7718 indeed that would've been a very enjoyable show, touching one of the pivotal themes of the Tolkinian mythology (i.e. mortality of Man)
Agree. Amazing story points. I would add the fall of Witch King of Angmar. Just to see his learning/apprentice dynamics with Sauron. That would be golden.
I kept telling my husband that I needed more narration or explanation. I was hoping that I didn’t catch stuff because I was not feeling well. I am so glad that it wasn’t just me. Lol “Discount Aragorn” tickled my funny bone. Thanks for that. 😂
I believe that the key to success of Jackson's trilogy was the production methodology. They created a demo movie before even getting the money. So it had to be good enough at the very beginning to involve the investors. Jackson's crew even payed to some random New Zealand actors to record all the lines. So all of the scenes were already there - drawings with dialogues. And as when you make music, every next iteration of the demo material is getting more and more polished and as a result you have a solid composition consisting of well crafted layers. It's antirandom in it's appearance. That's why it's a masterpiece as well as the original books (still not that deep though). But the Rings of Power creators didn't even tell the actors which characters they were going to play before they came to New Zealand! They just through the money in and make a request - "I want it to be a hit!" This is an example of the most awful and soulless ways to set up things in art. This is why this show is such a piece of snake's shit. Let's not watch it, people, please. Ignore it. Let it eat itself
If theres one good thing about this show, its that it has inspired me to read the books beyond the trilogy and the hobbit. I want to know all the details, but done well.
Well, the Silmarillon is as fun as reading the telephone book. Joke aside, it's based on notes, not nice going stories. Some ideas ar incredible, don't get me wrong, but that is not letterature is a classic sense of term. The other works are quite different, depending on J.R.R. Tolkien wanted to write, express or use. Better keep a curious and open mind about it ;-)
@@klug5916 The Silmarrilion is not the first book anyone should read, but any Tolkien fan has tried to plow throw it at least once. And once you piece it together its just an amazing universe. It also has its offsprings like Children of Hurin and Beren and Luthien which is just as much a cohesive story as LotR and The Hobbit
@@palanthis i didnt enjoy the silmarillion till the second time reading it. But what made it more enjoyable were reading the children of huron inbetween the two readings.
@@johan8969 Totally agree. I read it twice, years ago. It's not fun, not entertaining. But to understand or get ideas about worldbuilding or epic mythology, it's an incredible work. Again, not for everyone, without anything wrong or critics behind my words, because it was mostly the notes of Tolkien, not made to be published like other works of him.
My fam paused the episode after that scene at Eregion and asked me "Who's Morgoth?" In that moment it became pretty evident this show and it's storytelling might have more issues than those that simply pretain to the passion of the fandom menace and/or it's antithetical adversary.
A show so well constructed, they have paid review sites like IMDB to filter all bad reviews and don't let them through. Honestly just go read the user reviews, you'll find not one bad one despite everyone downvoting the (ultra) positive reviews with at least a 6 to 1 ratio.
I do feel for Tolkien fans. I’m very much a newbie who only read the Hobbit until the Jackson films. To see the full on attacks on you, as fans, reminds me of what happened to the Star Wars/Trek fans. It’s unfair and horrible seeing this happen yet again. Keep fighting and keep gatekeeping the sh*t out of what you love. Otherwise, this show is the kind of sludge we get. Love your work JSG. As much as having to watch this dumpster fire of dumpster fires must really annoy you, it is most appreciated.
Welcome to the Tolkien Fanbase @lachlan lacey.... no matter who you are, or where you are. If you loved the Hobbit book and Jackson's LOTR films, you'll adore the LOTR books. You'll never again experience LOTR like you do the first time reading it. I envy your journey.
@@joe77andino I liked them both when I watched long before the Jackson LOTR films because that's all there was at the time. I felt the animated Return of the King was a little strange in its animation though. I'd likely pick the animated The Hobbit over Jackson's The Hobbit because of how much PJ added nonsense to the movies. But PJs LOTR trilogy was well done even despite changes I might have grumbled about. I can appreciate the classic nature of those old animated films at a time when you couldn't get anyone to touch Lord of the Rings as a live action film. Sidenote: I have been told there is a fan edit of PJs The Hobbit that takes out the nonsense, so one of these days, I'm going to have to find that edit and see if it changes my mind. 🧐😁
@@joe77andino Nice list... I'm first and foremost a student of Tolkien, but I once was a 'Star Wars' fan, even read the books. But I started to give up years ago. It's just been hard to keep loving that universe. 'Star Trek', was my jam for years until all these new series came out and just didn't feel like Trek anymore. I watched up to 'Enterprise', started to watch the newer shows and just lost interest. I couldn't tell you what really didn't sit with me, but it seemed to have lost something for me. Trek has always been progressive with their stories and had a diverse cast since the 1960s, so that's not an issue for me and the story was good. I can't identify the specific thing that isn't catching me. I really wanted to like 'Picard', but I got bored halfway through season 1. And I love Patrick Stewart. I'll watch him in anything.
It's a member Berry show. You're meant to like it because it superficially resembles Tolkien, just like the only way you could like the characters is if they superficially resemble yourself
When I first saw things like the Last Jedi and Ghostbusters 2016, I thought they were just a bad form of modern entertainment... I didn't think they would become the standard.
@@Tobunari The agenda that adheres to the cause (activism) at the expense of the story (substance) - The ends justify the means. They will sacrifice the story (in this case Tolkien's Legendarium) 100% of the time if it means pushing their warped worldview on the audience.
@@DavidTMSN Not really getting an answer here, the Agenda is what, the worldview is what? That Black people are just superior? Eh, I'm pretty sure most normal people just want to live their lives, and the only ones overly concerned are the ones that act like they have to fix some grave mistake. Meanwhile Hollywood expects to cater to this idea for easy money, unaware the people they're catering to would rather have it and everything for free because they feel entitled to it and don't want to work.
I'm wondering why I don't see anyone mentioning how bizarre Disa is, in terms of characterization. It was possible that she hadn't even seen Elrond before, given that Elrond didn't come to the wedding or any of their children's birthdays. The only way she's heard of him would then be through his husband, Durin. He would obviously be increasingly negative on him and she just... Didn't listen? Didn't believe him? When Elrond comes, she instantly hugs him and tells Durin to make up with him. If I were in a similar situation, I would at least ask Elrond to explain himself. Then again, she didn't keep their the children from playing with Durin's treasures, so maybe she just doesn't care. Really weird.
A slightly creepy thing is that Arondir has been in the area for almost 80 years. That would mean that he saw Bronwyn's grandmother grow up, then her mother, and finally Bronwyn coming of age. Giggity?
@@VentrexTheXVth we get icky when we hear someone married a girl they knew since she was born. imagine how much worse it would be to have known their MOTHER since birth. ugh
A note: Most of the Istari were sent to Middle Earth during the Third Age, but it's said in "The Peoples of Middle Earth" that the Blue Wizards were sent in SA 1600, the same year that the One Ring was forged by Sauron. So Meteor Man being a Blue Wizard (Alatar or Pallando) is possible as far as timelines go. This is contradicted in Unfinished Tales which says all the Istari were sent in the Third Age if I remember correctly, but it's up in the air. EDIT: Because RoP is smashing together and wrecking the timeline already, they may just decide it's ok to ignore almost all other timeline inconsistencies as well.. so yeah. Could be anyone.
Still doesnt make sense since the Istari Tolkien does elaborate on came by boat from Valinor. It literally set the tone between Saruman and Gandalf since Cirdan gave his ring Narya to Gandalf instead of Saruman.
@@johan8969 don't follow you here! Gandalf did come by boat and 100 years into the third age. So we KNOW it's not him. However Tolkien does not say how the Blue wizards were sent! So could still be one of them. However it's Sauron as this will be the "big" twist. We are meant to think it's the Gap model on the boat with Warrior Galadriel. This is their big reveal 🤮
@@HughSmith unless they are taking extreme liberty(which they are) I don't think it's Sauron, because after the War of Wrath and Morgoth's defeat is was explicitly stated that Sauron was too afraid or prideful to face judgement in Valinor and so hid in Middle Earth ,refusing their summons.
@@HughSmith You are contradicting yourself here. Anything can happen since they dont give a shit about Tolkien lore so it might as well be Gandalf. The guy on the raft with Galadriel is most likely Sauron or one of his servants since they are going to Númenor. The kingdom will fall and Galadriel will stand around telling everyone "I told you so". Yes, I hold a Palantír, no you cant touch it.
I liked the part where Galadriel walks into the biker bar and says “ I need your clothes, your boots and your motorcycle “. Right then I knew she was going to track down Sauron and punch him out, once and for all.
i felt the opposite. I was like "oh, she's just like a terminator, lack of caring and emotion" and just like the terminator wouldn't accomplish her mission, at all.
For a show who's staff has utterly rejected the concerns of actual fans of the source material, they seem to be relying heavily on people already having knowledge of the source material.
They are the mother-in-law who invites herself in and then completely rearranged your furniture, the contents of your kitchen cabinet, your nightstand drawer 😳…and gets mad at you for saying anything about it.
Its kinda like the "halo" show in that way. In order to understand certain parts you need to know the lore, but knowing the lore makes it confusing as the show ignores the lore repeatedly.
There are still many people in this world who do not know how a metal ship can float and how a heavy airplane can fly. They are called 'Rings of Power' fans...
I feel they totally missed in making it for the modern era with Elrond and Durin making up buy figuring out that their cell providers for different and their texts were lost or something like that, makes perfect sense.
Galadriel's husband : "I'm glad that you spent this time with me and we're married together galadriel. Were you ever with anybody else not that it matters or anything. " Galadriel : " well I was with this one guy named halbrand on a raft. We didn't like each other at first but we grew a close bond of friendship. And we made love to each other but then he turned out to be sauron and I have to hunt him down and kill him but I failed in that mission. " Galadriel husband : " SAURON YOU SLEPT WITH SAURON HE LITERALLY TURNED EVIL YOU HAD EVIL IN YOUR HOO HA HE'S A LITERAL DARK LORD. "
Sauron the pimp of middle earth who banged his rival because he wanted to taste She-Elf p*ssy and have revengesex for Guyladriel slaying his Orcs🤣😂 Great fanfiction
husband. sorry she's been married a very long time but i have yet to see any "husband" in this show so far, just a girl running off to do her own stuff being the super amazing girl of the series who can do everything with her light saber and beating up all the bad guys where the men fail.. You can't do all that with a husband strapped to your waist, i think they forgot Celeborn entirely, feminists don't want a husband holding them down.
"It's not made for you! But you must love it anyways or you're a racist!" - Mary Sue (prob) Tolkien created a world & if you want to make a movie "based on JRR Tolkien" world, you HAVE TO STICK WITH THE LORE!! I'm sorry but you can make ANY STORY YOU WANT WITHOUT TRASHING WHAT OTHERS LOVE!! What are they going to ruin next??
They don't care. For these people, LotR is just a brand name, an established commercial success, with already people having advertisement, so, when launching a new thing under this name, it will have success because it's already fashionable, so, you skip the long process of creating a demand. Just marketing, not caring. So, as it won't work, they'll take anything that has worked before to continue to make money, as launching something completely new is risky.
Thanks for making these videos. We're all holding onto something important here. What are we holding on to, Sam? That there’s some good in this world, Mr. Frodo. And it’s worth fighting for.
Thank you so much for coming up with the energy to point out everything out that makes Tolkies Remains begging to be cremated ! i couldn t stop crying ...
Listening to him explain what’s missing and what’s wrong with the show is the only reason I want them to keep making episodes. Keep up the good work man enjoying every second of it.
I feel thats the real reason these shows exist. Nobody acually likes the show we're just so enthralled by the cringe we cant help but want more. The ultimate game of reverse psychology. So they think. 🤔
I don't think anyone who created or developed this show actually wanted to do it for any other reason than being employed. Imagine if you worked at Amazon Studios as an executive and this landed on your desk. It's like your ignorant boss tasks you with a project that you know can't be done competently but you have to do it anyway.
Part of me thinks this is how most things are going in Hollyweird these days. People need the work so they can’t really complain when even an obvious turd gets dropped on them.
Don’t forget they had a Tolkien scholar on staff, whom they dismissed likely because he objected to this foolishness. It’s Hanlon’s Razor in reverse: “never attribute to stupidity that which is adequately explained by malice”
One of the best parts might have been when Darth Sauron tried to convince Lucia Galadrias that she should be a stay-at-home mom, but she replied "I shall be property of no man. My glory shall come from superhuman powers and always being right." It was so brave. Not 100% sure if they included it in the release (due to the boycott), but I've learned from the Amazonians that we can just make up any junk, steal ideas while calling it inspiration, and tell a story as long as it suits a relativistic, post-modern agenda of opposing what we consider traditional values.
You missed the part where black elf and his white love are talking and walking to the village and he insults the village for might being under the influence of the dark lord still, the lady gets mad and then tells him those are her people and then has zero reaction to seeing the village burned to the ground, not a sigh nor whimper, like wth lady you just said those were your people, at least act sad.
how old is the black elf kinda creepy hes been on gaurd of that town for 78 years or something he must have watched that girl grow up from a baby just waiting to get his shot kinda creepy if you ask me....
@@Jackthat1 Ohh, yess, the werewolf Jacob imprinting on Bella's daughter. It's even more disturbing cuz he wanted to frick Bella and then when her baby was born now he wants her. Like wtf?
I asked a friend what he thought about galadriel jumping ship in basically the middle of the atlantic. he gave the first episode 8/10 (which seems insane to me) and is no tolkien fan to begin with but I figured anyone would find that part in the show weird.. So I said; of course elves are supposed to have greater stamina in general, more than regular people, but that's just too much, right? he said: it's fantasy. I don't care. 🤷♂ There's an audience for everything I suppose.
Some people are born with a taste for eating turds. Others go to the same restaurant, day after day, for years, always getting served a turd on a platter, and complain about the flavor and texture; but they keep their standing reservation and come back the next day to do it all over again. 🤷♂️
@@brianmurphy6480 And when the entertainment industry has produced so much crap consistently, I guess it's normal for many people to just get used to it and not expect something better.
i love the way the Not'obbits lanterns are human sized in an effort to show they are small , its such a complete own goal such a fail to understand the basics of what they were going for.
Didn't she make a small magic boat when she was a little kid in the show? Would it have been less bad for her to pull out some kind of life boat from within the ship, magic it a bit and ride it back? It would still be *bad* but "Galadriel rides magic boat across sea" seems like an improvement over "and then she swam across an ocean to another continent. My 2 cents.
But then her clothes wouldn't have gotten wet, turning sheer. Then Sauron wouldn't have seen her lush body and wouldn't have his upcoming forbidden romance with her. As Amazon's GOT, this series needs torrid love scenes.
@@michelecastellotti9172 yes, until later part she realizes Halbrand is Sauron the deceiver Then she will suggested the idea of creating ring of powers to fight against Sauron using mithril THEN Sauron will copy her idea, creating master ring No joke, it's from script leaked and people who already saw all 7eps No ring is create in first season
We thank you so much for creating this video and making such a clear and concise takedown of the show. There's nothing more cringy than watching people talking about how Tolkien fans are racist and this show is "so amazing and epic."
Seem to be Hollyweird favor thing to respond to fan if u don't like it u most be racist or a misogynist toxic masculinity wtf ?!? it like these people got a robot brain set to auto use words to Gaslight fan and critics with ... it is cringy the NCP robotoid conspiracy theory seem real right now .. when I see how amazon actor and actresses everyone involved sounds strange human behavior for sure bro .
If they needed to have an ethnic cast, why not set it in the south or Far Harad? They could show an underground fighting against Sauron. That actually sounds awesome, now that I write it out.
In the lore, the Numenoreans were raiding and enslaving the less advanced peoples of Middle Earth at this point. Which would have been a perfect opening for diverse heroes, and a chance to set up the seduction of one of them to ally with/ receive a Ring from Sauron... They had their story basically outlined for them by one of the greatest authors the human race has ever produced.
They could have had PIRATES in Umbar to the north of the main action of their show if they put it south down that coast. Everybody loves pirates. You could have had a cameo appearance by Aragorn in his earlier years before he left Gondor for the west. It's like they bought the rights to the appendices without reading them.
i recently said how i didnt like galadrel's characterization, and got called a mysognist... im sorry when did i ever say i hate her, i just prefer how she is in lore and the original movies because it nails that bit of aloofness but also real wisdom and feminine guile she has. the kind that would make her queen.
You're not a misogynist for not liking Galadriel in The Rings of Power. In the show, she goes on a quest to find Sauron accompanied with a group of (all-male) elves so ill-trained they can't even fight a troll. She is more focused on the quest than she is with their well-being, pressing forward despite the objections from her men and order of the king. They eventually turn against her. This wouldn't be a problem if she was some other female character, but this is Galadriel, Lady of Light and the show makes you want to root for this selfish, inconsiderate person just because she is a stronk wahman. She isn't even a character, she's a device that exists to show the incompetence of every other male character.
That's the play. Amazon thinks that by buying the right to put "Lord of the Rings" on their content, they bought the slavish loyalty of all Tolkien fans, and they're very excited to call us racist/mysogynist/bigots if we dare step out of line by not adoring everything the shove in our faces🤦 We owe them nothing.
I cannot believe that my favorite character is DISA by far…. I actually really liked her. Because she supports her husband and her family and she’s not a warrior princess. To me it was the most accurate portrayal of a woman in the show thus far… and I’m not saying they should just be housewives, she was an integral part of the mining process and that’s how they met each other. But she doesn’t have to carry a pickax or be breaking rocks to do her part in their society. She uses her gifts to help her tribe because she’s an actual strong woman Who loves her family and is not selfish. Galadriel on the other hand is basically a discount version man who is smaller and weaker and still tries to physically fight when she was one of the most powerful magical beings in all the realms…. that’s not a strong woman that’s a weak ass man with small 💪.
@@nifrain9494 she’s not just a housewife. She’s part of the mining process and they met each other while they were mining. In fact she’s integral to the mining process according to the show. And when is being a housewife such a bad thing? That’s just one side of her character. But to me it makes her believable and a complete human. Warrior Galadriel is super not believable because she’s 130 pounds shopping Keith trolls and a half well it slaughtered all her other elf warriors… it’s absolutely ridiculous. You don’t have to physically fight or be a b rated man to be a strong woman. Women use their guil and they’re intellect… guys tend to use their tactical knowledge and brut strength one is not greater than the other. Guys suck without women, women suck without guys as a whole…. what’s wrong with saying that we need each other?
I found it weird how she didn't look after their kids and seemed to really like Elrond from the word go despite only hearing about him from someone who increasingly disliked him, but to each their own.
@@The_0G_Chad true, I missed that. Elves are strong though without being super mascular. Same could be said about Legolas for example. Where does he take the strength to use a bow? (Because if you are realistic, archers had to be extremely muscular, you need way more strength using a bow than a sword)
My favorite part was when Elrond apologized to Queen Dorito for having white privilege and pledged to be an ally to all dwarfs of color. Then he came out as non binary and finally told everyone his preferred pronouns. Such strength.
this show has so many other movies and TV shows in it, we have jaws, the cosbys, cast away, many day time soaps, and many others and now they add the dark Crystal. the Skeksis would hit a stone to pick their next leader. all these other movies and TV shows influenced this show all but the lord of the rings, the one thing that should have they seem to have left out
7:40 remember, Morgoth might have destroyed the 2 trees, but only after Ungoliant drained them of all their light. I have a friend of mine tried to claim this show wasn't taking stories or inspiration from the silmarillion... Yet like you said, here they are talking about a key moment of the silmarillion!
Why didn't they use the tech from The Mandalorian that integrates CGI really well into the practical sets? With the amount of money, they could've done wonders.
Every day, hour, minute that passes, the explanation narrows further down to ...money laundering and embezzlement. and/or huge tax writeoff. Got to be.
This is so strange. The way you describe Elrond's meeting with Celebrimbor, with o mention of Feanor or the Silmarils (by name at least, from what I'm hearing), and only a passing reference to Morgoth - as if the events of the Legendarium didn't basically happen on account of the actions and conflict between Feanor and Morgoth - seems to indicate to me that Amazon really did have us hard core fans in mind for this show as we are already very familiar with the Silmarillion and we know how Celebrimbor and Elrond came to be here. And that's very odd. Because if anyone at Amazon has been paying attention to Tolkien's fandom since, like, the 1980's at least, they'd know not to expect that level of success with us. Decades of subjection to crappy adaptations (at best) before PJ's LotR (which I could pick apart, but don't) has made us an insufferably tough crowd with a reputation for being impossible to please. The only good thing I can say about this series is that now the world knows why we're so intolerant of lore changes. Because once you allow even just one change, these people see it as you giving them permission to change all of it so as to be virtually unrecognizable. They can call us "ists" and "phobes" all they want, at Tolkien's Legendarium is where our sufferance stops. Always has been, always will be. No amount of burying their heads in the sand will save Amazon from complete and total humiliation, and this series will go down in history as one of media's biggest trainwrecks.
I'm a mild fan because of the animations of Rankin & Bass, Bakshi Thought Galadriel was more of a magic user type of character in the lore ? And the diversity part couldn't they had made a oringal *Haladrim* story like the PS4/XBOX game Shadow of Mordor like *Baranor* was a black man being the Protagonist in the add on game ? If they show that side of middle earth it could of been interesting not come off as adding Worldly narrative in lore that doesn't even parallel our reality.. why we read or watch sci fi fantasy in the first place..
@@orianaspiderowl769 I don't know what they're doing with other fairy tale adaptations (I think Cinderella may be a Brother's Grimm tale originally?), but as somebody with Danish heritage, I saw what they did to the Little Mermaid and checked out - well, I checked out long before that actually on account of that stuff, but yeah, what an eyeroll. I knew it was coming, but still...
@@joe77andino If all you know of Tolkien is Rankin Bass and Bakshi, and video games (which I'm not knocking necessarily), then of course you feel Tolkien is lacking for the same reasons the show runners say; "Its doesn't reflect our modern world". Well duh, there are no dragons, dwarves and elves in our modern world either, that doesn't mean that the Legendarium doesn't have value, as is evidenced by the sheer magnitude of us fans. I mean space travel to other star systems and alien species also does not reflect out modern world, but hey, I'm not about to use that to say we that we shouldn't have sci-fi. You know? Tolkien wrote an origin story for England, which up until that point utterly lacked one due to the Norman Invasion which completely oppressed the previous Celtic/Saxon culture each of which had their own origin myths and at least to a degree blended together. Because I read Tolkien's works as a child, I went on to educate myself on Celtic and Germanic lore, fae lore, etc., and I filled up multiple bookshelves with historic/anthropological/archeological works and fairy tales. I'm talking about northwestern and central Europe as being a place where epics happened irl and in legends. Diversity, as we think of it today, was not needed to make this area and time in history complete. If you think it does, then by all means stick to terrible adaptations that are completely and utterly devoid of soul and Tolkien's underlying messages (which unless you've read his work, I guarantee you do not know). Stick with your video games. Thats obviously where your heart lies and *we respect that.* Mine, and a lot of other peoples' hearts lie with histories, myths and Tolkien's Legendarium, and for the love of all that is holy *that deserves respect.* I'm not dunking on you dude, by all means please, you do you. You like things to "parallel our reality"? Well, great news! You're spoiled for choice!! Really, look around you, you've got it everywhere you look! Clearly Tolkien's Legendarium is not for you, and that's fine. No problem. Don't consume it then, and leave people who do enjoy it alone. Please leave us to our Legendarium, because the only place in which that exists is in - wait for it - *books!* I just... Is that really so difficult??
6:02 OK, let's ignore the anti-Tolkien elements for a moment and consider this purely from the point of cinematography. The torch is burning with a blue flame, it's soaked in alcohol. It's a trivial detail, true, but for such an expensive production, a little CGI work in post would have fixed this easily. Secondly, he's looking _at_ the flame. I'm sure it's fascinating, but he won't be able to see anything else, which is the sole point of carrying a torch. Thirdly, composition. Following all the lines and boundaries between dark and light, what is the viewer's eye drawn to? The campfire in the background. I doubt very much that this is the most important element of the scene. If this series is remembered, as well as a lesson in how not to write or publicize a show, it'll be a lesson in how not to film one.
That's actually not such a bad thing as far as film goes. In a movie, it's more important that they have the characters' faces illuminated than that they have the light shining realistically. A common example is any scifi movie involving a spacesuit, they ALWAYS have lights inside the helmet shining on the character's face, which would obviously blind them. But they need it because it's more important that the audience see their face than that the actor see the dark set.
@@orirune3079 Yes, the lighting itself is tolerable, the problem is that the actor is looking in the wrong direction. Compare the poster for _Shutter Island_ - DiCaprio's face is illuminated in a similar way, but he's looking over the flame, not at it.
@@walrusrobot5483 I wouldn't necessarily say he was just trying to sound smart. I would imagine it's just an oversight. JSG is clearly a gigantic fan of the series, and knows his stuff. But when doing probably hours and hours of work to create these videos, it's probably hard to see the forest from the trees.
yes and some human lady is going to actually be able to do that to a thousands of year old elf Galadriel who is suppose to be a super soldier Sue killing ice trolls single handed, but she can't simply outfight a human woman. Show logic is just so dumb.
Dwarf Kazad Dum looks more like Dwarf underground from Dragon Age Origin... which, in retrospect, might have been the better franchise to buy and riff off for a tv series that would compete with GoT.
The one thing I cannot get past here is Durin has a father. "The world was young, the mountains green No stain yet on the Moon was seen No words were laid on stream or stone When Durin woke and walked alone He named the nameless hills and dells He drank from yet untasted wells He stooped and looked in Mirrormere And saw a crown of stars appear" - Song of Durin
This isn't the Durin of the poems that was the original Durin that eventually created and settled the city in the first age, a VERY long time before this Durin in the show. Not even close to the same person. The original Durin was created so he didn't have a father. You are greatly mixing up characters just because they have the same name. This show is in the 2nd age.
the actress that plays the queen is actually a good cast and you can clearly see she takes it more serious than her coworkers. i was wrong about her casting and ill admit that.
Isn't that funny? That all the "racist" fans would find the BLACK female dwarf to be one of the BEST characters in the series so far? 🤷♂️ Sophia Nomvete is still an awful human being, though. In a sane world, her off-set interviews and verbal ejaculations should see her barred from decent society.
@@valaraukar_595 From what I've seen, the interviews were repetitively focused on her, and how important it was that she had been cast for the role as the first ever female dwarf. She barely mentioned the character at all, let alone how she had played the role, any anecdotes from the filming, etc. that could have drawn an audience into the story. Which is a shame, as her scenes were some of most engaging so far, perhaps because they are standard domestic friction and familiar territory for the writers.
“Let me risk a little more light. Behold... the great realm and Dwarf-city of Dwarrowdelf!” I swear, when I saw that shot in “The Fellowship of the Ring” I burst into tears. Over a shot of a dimly lit half-miniature and half-CGI hall. Can you top that, Amazon? Yeah, I thought so…
Yeah I'm not feeling any emotions from this show. Shit in the Fellowship I felt joy, fear, and mystery in the first half hour. I get nothing from this show yet. Something is seriously missing. The music is meh, some of the scenes are cool. The dialog is pretty bad. When Nori and her friend are talking, the one friend says. Okay. Okay? I know its a hard word for modern english speakers to not say, you couldn't do a retake and have her say something else? Are they gonna start throwing in cool and awesome to really throw me out of the middle earth mood. really hope this improves but I'm not holding my breath.
I reckon it’s gonna be Mithril in the box. They should have found it by now but the show is playing pretty hard and fast with the timeline so I reckon it’ll be Mithril
I love how the entire fanbase is united behind the quote "evil cannot create, it can only corrupt."
They *really* hate that one, which is telling
Well the truth hurts the most
No we're actually not. You think actually fans care about this petty shit? 🤣
@@Pancakespls Leave this place Orc you are not welcome here. Your army of fake fans is as absent as your like ratio.
Just keep hammering them with that.
And another charecteristic of evil; they think that the end justifies the means, instead of the other way around.
Evil hates beautiful things and values lies over the truth.
Amazon is all of that, and more.
The moment Galadriel said "her palms are sweaty, knees weak arms are heavy" before fighting the misogynist troll was truly breathtaking. Tolkien (he/him) was ahead of his time👌
Did you just assume John Ronald Reuel Tolkien's pronouns?
Yes, but it was HIS time and now it is HER time. "sassy finger snap"
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I literally cannot with these comments. XD
These are literally the most racist cosmetics I've ever seen.
EVER
i find it very interesting that the show expects the viewer to be familiar with the lore yet also doesn't want them to care about it too much. Its all around very convenient.
Hardly an inconvenience!
ye i thought they wanted to make it for a new audience
Two things:
1. Someone on the staff really loved The Dark Crystal as a kid, and the whole rock-breaking contest is an homage to the Skeksis Trial by Stone that they felt like they just had to shoe-horn in here.
2. The thing in the chest is Marsellus Wallace's soul, obviously. This is the writer's nod to Harvey Weinstein's threat to Peter Jackson to take the trilogy away and give it to Tarantino to make into one two and a half hour movie. Deep cut, very meta.
The worst thing about your first point is I wouldn't have a problem if it was an original IP, but you have no business shoving cheesy easter eggs into another creators work. It is just one of many examples of how the writers of this show have absolutely zero respect for Tolkien, his legacy, or his fan-base.
"Someone on the staff -really- mildly loved -The Dark Crystal- Netflix's Dark Crystal sequel and rerun of the original movie a couple of years back, and etc."
@@oscarjimenezgarrido7591
Uuuh...LOL ! No you didn't fix it.
You just added your own spin to it. What Aaron wrote,
and said quite clearly,
is about the First Original "Dark Crystal" and a staff's
(Nothing mildly about it)
penchant for it
"As A Kid"
and that's 'All' he meant.
You're welcome. 😁👍
The fuck do either of these matter to the continued story of the lord of the rings?
If stupid pop culture references were the writers priorities, they should've made a marvel film.
@@mr_h831
Exactly Right!
We, the actual Tolkien fans, stand in relentless solidarity against the desecration of Professor Tolkien's lore, vision and messages for the purposes of shallow virtue-signalling and tokenism. We invite true fans everywhere to stand with us, read the books, and share Tolkien's true spirit and messages. Evil cannot create, it can only corrupt.
You have my sword.
Bore off no one cares they're a still gonna make um. Stand all you want I'm sure there are bigger issues in the world that people could care about
@@callumgracey1867 then go out there and save the world we count on you
If there's one good thing that came from this sorry excuse of a show is that many people like myself have taken up the books to read the actual Tolkien work
@@3ftninja132 ...And my blow.
Wisdom was what made her powerful. She was one of the strongest because of her prowess within the mind and soul. knew her path. Strengths and weaknesses. ECT. This is not the same character. She was Athena goddess of wisdom, now she's daddy issues wrath incarcerated.
She had been already the wisest before even trees were destroyed
"Daddy issues wrath incarnated." I love that turn of phrase.
They need to give her a chakram and a battle cry.
Yi Yi Yi Yi Yi Yi Yi!!
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@@rocketraccoon1976 And a chubby little blonde girlfriend.
and a stupid betch considering she jumped the ship headed to valinor where her brother is going to be resurrected.
This is exactly how it felt when we got the sequels for Star Wars, and suddenly we realized that the prequels weren't all that bad. We always think 'it couldn't possibly get worse' and then... it _does._ 😭
I liked the Star Wars prequels despite being worse than Star Wars original trilogy. I never understood the hatred for them. I liked Ewan Mc Gregor as young Obi Wan, Nathalie Portman as Padme, Jake Lloyd as child Anakin Skywalker and Hayden Christensen as late teenage/young adult Anakin Skywalker, Samuel Jackson as Master Windu, Christopher Lee as Count Doku, Ian Mc Diarmid as Palpatine, Liam Neeson as Qui Gon Jinn. I loved the pod race and many other things. Of course some dialogues could have been better and maybe Anakin Skywalkers fall to dark side was a bit rushed. But overall it was okay. But as you said Star Wars sequels were bad and an abomination. The same opinion as i have for Star Wars Prequels i have towards "The Hobbit" trilogy. It wasnt as great as Peter Jacksons "Lord of the Ring" adaptation but overall it was okay. Especially Martin Freeman as young Bilbo Baggins who captured a lot features of old Bilbo Baggins played by Ian Holm eg. being annoyed by random guests who want to visit him. The biggest critics for hobbit was to much CGI. The Orcs from Hobbit looked ridculous compared with Urukai from Lord of the Ring. But this show is just modern woke agenda from Hollywood. I ve seen 2 episodes and dont like it though the introduction with the 2 trees was not so bad. But i cant stand all this bullsh*t eg. intersectional feminism: women are strong and men just useless betamales, diversity on wrong places, .....
@@pablito4762 I think the issue with the prequels was that the originals were great, so we expected greatness. The prequels were just ok, but relative to our expectations, they were shit. Then the sequels came around to show us what shit really looked like, and we realized that the prequels, which we had perceived to be shit, were in fact just ok.
The prequels are still bad. The good is buried underneath so much clutter. But at least I can say they were done in good faith and passion for the work.
And I’d rather have that than a film that makes you feel absolutely nothing at all.
Well, I remember how much hate Peter Js adaptation received too, this is not new
I always liked the prequels though
I just watched the scene in the trilogy where the fellowship meet galadriel and celeborn. It is such a cool scene. Both her and her husband carry so much unspoken power that every member of the fellowship is humbled and even slightly afraid. She radiates power and confidence.
To be fair, the part where Galadriel said "It's Morbin time!" was pretty awesome.
She's going to have to morb for the post Morbum for this show ;)
haha morbius joke funny laugh everyone haha
It was “galorbin” I believe
I prefer the part where Chris Chan teleports out of jail, finds his mom and says "it's Borbin' time". Truly was terrifying.
That's Canon!
Amazon handed us a shit milkshake, then when we refused to drink it, claimed it's because we don't like cows.
I'm so thankful for this review. Now I don't have to give Amazon the satisfaction of me watching a single minute of the series. I'll just pull out my Lord of the Rings books and reread them.
I *DID* watch the first two episodes. Afterwards I really had to start re-reading LOR trilogy just to re-affirm that Tolkien wasn't really shit!! I'm never watching anymore ROP!
"Tolkien Untangled" has some videos talking about how he would make a Second Age show... but he actually walks through history instead of jumbling it all together. In his vision, by season 3, we come to understand the origins of the Ring of Barahir and the rise of two "factions" of Numenor and his whole concept of having the show explore the contrast between the immortality of elves (the line of Elrond) vs. the death and decay of men (line of Elros) is really cool.
Yep a very good channel indeed
Rather embarrassing for a studio executive to survey the landscape and decide, "Let's roll with The Last Jedi playbook on this one."
In a few LoTR groups I'm in, I'm seeing the Last Jedi split all over again, the community divided by 2
But I'm happy that people are agreeing that the show is bad and that doesn't make you a bad person for not liking it, LoTR fans are Miles ahead of SW fans
Hijacked western institutions have planted these obsessive woke ideas to influence the choices made by the film-makers. No surprise why they overlap.
@@MrJulio632 I reckon you didn't properly gatekeep those groups and now the wrong kind of people got in.
Messila McCarthy headed the marketing team.
Once upon a time there was a well liked smartphone and OS designer called Palm. And this Palm had a team of Developers who made an overly complex OS that the public couldn't quite stand and they went out of business. and so a company called Blackberry/RIM HIRED that same team to make THEIR new OS, and they said, let's do that thing we did for Palm, only x10 and made a new Blackberry OS that behaved like an SNL skit about smartphone OSes. And Blackberry disappeared as well. And perhaps that team now works on Amazon shows.
Durin being pissy about Elrond not coming to visit for his wedding and kids CAN be kind of justified, by the show's logic. After all, Elrond and Celebrimbor apparently walk from Eregion to Khazad-Dum in an afternoon. No traveling clothes, no food, just wearing long, flowing robes the entire way. So clearly it's right next door. The same as walking down the block to visit your friend. Right?
I'm still baffled that they've essentially written Celeborn out of the story. How can you get rid of him and still have ANY of the events play out the way they did? No Celeborn means Galadriel isn't married to him, which means they don't rule Lothlorien, they don't have Celebrian, which means she doesn't marry Elrond, meaning Elrohir, Elladan, and Arwen aren't born, and Arwen doesn't fall in love with Aragorn.
I’ll take ‘Things they don’t care to think about’ for 500 please.
Celebrian will be born... as the illegitimate child of Sauron and Galadriel.
😈
Ya, Celebrimbor waiting outside be like k then I"ll go back home
Shh...you're making sense. The writers don't like that.
@@rocketraccoon1976 I didn't need that. None of us did
They're heavily applying modern sensibilities to the medieval fantasy.
Like being pissed at a friend cuz you lost contact with them as if they had cell phones.
These characters are unbelievable which hurts the story greatly.
My problem with it is my same problem with most modern television. We don't have TV shows anymore. We have TV tells.
The characters tell you what they're thinking with no subtext, no settled, no communication through gestures or what is left unsaid.
The characters tell you what actions they are doing as they perform them as if you cannot see what is happening on the screen.
The characters tell you what they will do what they have done and they don't show you anything. Acting and writing are about what you hold back.
This script was written in crayon.
1. What surprised me, but shouldn’t have, is that supporters of this show want us to believe, simultaneously, that “Tolkien’s work applies to everyone and is easily inclusive of this kind of diversity” and “Tolkien was a racist writer and we had to fix his world.”
2. Keanu’s ass is a natural wonder of the world and could be incorporated into almost any movie. Its inclusion would have greatly improved _this_ show, for sure. Sorry, I don’t make the rules.
Yeah, diversity that only applies to black people. Asians, forget about it.
I'd actually watch this series if Keanu's ass was in it.
Please don't even suggest dragging Keanu into this tar pit.
Also, Tolkien was white supremacist and his outspoken criticism of Hitler was meaningless.
Their cognitive dissonance is what happens when you invert reality and use that as a basis for your ideology ,why by the way is anything but inclusive and promotes discrimination, it is just okay because it is discrimination against white men right down to selective morality based upon revisionist history.
@@macbrown99 My heartfelt apologies. I got lost imagining Keanu's ass on an Elf.
Truthfully, I would have liked if Amazon had put all that money into their own High Fantasy world. I would have been more inclined to watch it without any thought to expectation or judgment.
Exaaaactly. Drawing a mustache and devil horns on the Mona Lisa is just going to enrage people. Make your own art. Don’t desecrate something people already love.
They did, and its called new world and it sucks
That would be ideal. But then again, they wouldn't have a large established fanbase to fleece. I'm absolutely convinced that whatever functionary at Amazon ended up giving approval for this series only did so because they saw Tolkien fans as dollar signs.
They already have The Legend of Vox Machina, which is a lot more successful than this.
Basing this in the Elder Scrolls world would have been fantastic.. BUT the fact remains, as long as they keep hiring activists pretending to be artists, it would still be terrible.
I think it just proves the age old lesson…
You can have all the money in the world, but if you don’t have passion or care in the quality of work you’re doing, especially with someone else’s work, people see right through that.
It doesn’t matter how much money you have. Bad writing never wins.
"He kills people he seemingly knows and helps a stranger."
I'm glad I'm not the only one disturbed by this phenomenon in modern storytelling.
I think Tom Shippy may have noticed all the flaws and inconsistencies that you have, but when he voiced his concerns...well, he became the example of what happens to those who question the Writers Room
Tom Shippey leaving was a red flag. With so much money, they could have made an incredible show. Even though I'm considered a 'purest' by the most normal people, it didn't need to 100% perfect (for me), but it did need to be a faithful attempt to respect the lore. That's all I wanted. 😢
Shippey made the mistake of thinking this was a genuine effort rather than an unintelligent cosplay of current year politics.
That $5 million shot of the dwarf city, looks like a loading screen to a $20 game.
I think they should have just had Eddie Murphy play literally everybody and everything in this show.
That would have fixed the acting but not the script. To improve the script, they would need a really good paper shredder. And an army of preschoolers with craft glue.
Thank you for pointing out the logic problems with forced diversity! too many people only back the argument with the fact that Tolkien didnt describe them that way...when there are plenty of reality based contradictions with multiracialness in peoples that are small, geographically isolated, northern, underground, genetically homogenous tribes/clans. plus its not really how the real world looks... it is just how america looks, and some parts of britain... and places where refugee populations have been allowed in. For the most part, ethnicity is tantamount to nationality and race.
Orcs coming out of the ground, humans calling elves "knife-ears", elevators in dwarven cities... This is looking more like a Dragon Age story than Tolkien. Even that orc looks more like a darkspawn than an orc.
You can clearly see that the writers have no respect for the lore or for the fantasy genre whatsoever. For them all fantasy is interchangeable. It doesn't matter if you telling a story in Middle Earth, the Sword Coast or Eberon. They put it all in the same pot. They are incapable of understanding that Tolkien's world is very different and has a certain tone to it that makes it unique despite having thousands of copies. And each copy brings something different and a lot of them become unique in their own way. If you can't understand those subtle differences, you have no place in writing fantasy. And if you can't translate the tone of the original work into your work, you have no place in adapting any work of art to another medium or creating anything derivated from it.
There are a lot of problems in Jackson's adaptation, but at least it felt familiar. I felt that was the same world I read on the books, even though there are times that I was like: "this isn't how I read it". (For example the burden of the ring being represented as the ring being actually heavy on Frodo's neck and bruising it. To me, when Tolkien said that the ring was a burden he meant it psychologically.)
Respect for the lore?I doubt they read it. They just watched the Peter Jackson movies twice and started hacking
I actually Liked the "Knife Ears" slur. its a slur that I could see actually existing.
"Knife ears" DOES exist. It's literally from a video game from about 15 years ago
@@tenshiginakuch2388 Knife-ears are how elves are derogatory called in the Dragon Age games by the other races. They literally got the lore of other world and put it in there.
@@paulanderson2963 That's the game I was referencing, Dragon Age.
What I thought they could show:
a) Sauron as a Promethean figure impacting the peoples, beliefs and cultures of prehistoric men, in a religious engineering;
b) Galadriel reflecting on her role and moving towards the queen-philosopher archetype;
c) Show Harad and Rhûn an inspiration (as Tolkien said in 1966) from the myths and histories of Africa and Asia.
d) I would have shown Ar-pharazôn in a scene similar to the opening of the movie Gladiator. How a general thought that to rule is to conquer and became easy prey of Sauron.
But only elves, only dwarves, only hobbits. And that's after 6 movies.
They should have started with voyages of Aldarion, and story of Aldarion and Erendis.
If you have 8 hours for one season alone, let human cast die between each season, demonstrating mortality of man.
Let each season show one vital choke-point in Numenorean history.
You could thus show evolution of Numenor into imperialist tyranny from idealistic beginnings.
@@matiasluukkanen7718 I agree. Opening montage of Numenorian sailors and kings spreading across Middle Earth. Showing Kings rise and die, and mirroring that with the undying, unchanging elves would be powerful imagery that sets the tone of a series about the Alkallabeth.
@@matiasluukkanen7718 indeed that would've been a very enjoyable show, touching one of the pivotal themes of the Tolkinian mythology (i.e. mortality of Man)
Damn, now I'm nostalgic for something that will never be :(
Agree. Amazing story points. I would add the fall of Witch King of Angmar. Just to see his learning/apprentice dynamics with Sauron. That would be golden.
I kept telling my husband that I needed more narration or explanation. I was hoping that I didn’t catch stuff because I was not feeling well. I am so glad that it wasn’t just me. Lol
“Discount Aragorn” tickled my funny bone. Thanks for that. 😂
Same with "Queen Doritos"
I believe that the key to success of Jackson's trilogy was the production methodology. They created a demo movie before even getting the money. So it had to be good enough at the very beginning to involve the investors. Jackson's crew even payed to some random New Zealand actors to record all the lines. So all of the scenes were already there - drawings with dialogues. And as when you make music, every next iteration of the demo material is getting more and more polished and as a result you have a solid composition consisting of well crafted layers. It's antirandom in it's appearance. That's why it's a masterpiece as well as the original books (still not that deep though). But the Rings of Power creators didn't even tell the actors which characters they were going to play before they came to New Zealand! They just through the money in and make a request - "I want it to be a hit!" This is an example of the most awful and soulless ways to set up things in art. This is why this show is such a piece of snake's shit. Let's not watch it, people, please. Ignore it. Let it eat itself
The part when Guyladriel was hanging on the Cross and cried out, “Forgive them Eru, they know not what they do!” I lost it.
🤣🤣🤣
Guyladriel! Hilarious!!
Was that before or after she asked Argentina not to cry for her??!?
So its Jesludriel ? 😂
She’s determined to find him so she can put a ring on it.
If theres one good thing about this show, its that it has inspired me to read the books beyond the trilogy and the hobbit.
I want to know all the details, but done well.
Well, the Silmarillon is as fun as reading the telephone book. Joke aside, it's based on notes, not nice going stories. Some ideas ar incredible, don't get me wrong, but that is not letterature is a classic sense of term.
The other works are quite different, depending on J.R.R. Tolkien wanted to write, express or use. Better keep a curious and open mind about it ;-)
@@klug5916 The Silmarrilion is not the first book anyone should read, but any Tolkien fan has tried to plow throw it at least once. And once you piece it together its just an amazing universe. It also has its offsprings like Children of Hurin and Beren and Luthien which is just as much a cohesive story as LotR and The Hobbit
@@palanthis i didnt enjoy the silmarillion till the second time reading it. But what made it more enjoyable were reading the children of huron inbetween the two readings.
@@johan8969 Totally agree. I read it twice, years ago. It's not fun, not entertaining. But to understand or get ideas about worldbuilding or epic mythology, it's an incredible work.
Again, not for everyone, without anything wrong or critics behind my words, because it was mostly the notes of Tolkien, not made to be published like other works of him.
The day after I tried to watch Amazon's crap (36 minutes in 2 tries), I started rereading my first edition of the Silmarillion.
My fam paused the episode after that scene at Eregion and asked me "Who's Morgoth?" In that moment it became pretty evident this show and it's storytelling might have more issues than those that simply pretain to the passion of the fandom menace and/or it's antithetical adversary.
A show so well constructed, they have paid review sites like IMDB to filter all bad reviews and don't let them through.
Honestly just go read the user reviews, you'll find not one bad one despite everyone downvoting the (ultra) positive reviews with at least a 6 to 1 ratio.
Amazon didn't pay IMDB, they own it.
Queen Elizabeth after watching first two epidodes of Rings of Power could not take it anymore and died.
They already said they dont care about Tolkien, they just want to make their own, using and corrupting Tolkien work
@@Rudi_ironman what they are corrupting
@@Rudi_ironman
The hideous woke-fest that's been plopped in front of us.
@@Rudi_ironman evil in a narrative.
@@anthonyoer4778 lmao word salad. Explain with sources and arguments please
@@R1ck_Ryder not a story but a narrative or script they and you the viewer must accept. Evil is morally wrong, it is corruption.
Mate, you get a Brendan Fraser worthy standing ovation for this review, joy tears and everything 😂
for 6 goddamn minutes 👌👏👏👏
I do feel for Tolkien fans. I’m very much a newbie who only read the Hobbit until the Jackson films.
To see the full on attacks on you, as fans, reminds me of what happened to the Star Wars/Trek fans. It’s unfair and horrible seeing this happen yet again. Keep fighting and keep gatekeeping the sh*t out of what you love. Otherwise, this show is the kind of sludge we get.
Love your work JSG. As much as having to watch this dumpster fire of dumpster fires must really annoy you, it is most appreciated.
Welcome to the Tolkien Fanbase @lachlan lacey.... no matter who you are, or where you are. If you loved the Hobbit book and Jackson's LOTR films, you'll adore the LOTR books. You'll never again experience LOTR like you do the first time reading it. I envy your journey.
Bro list of fan disrespect is way longer
Marvel/DC
Star Wars
Star Trek
He-Man
Thundercats
if people grow up with those expect it to be ruined...
@@lothilonnath4451 did you like the animations Rankin & Bass and Bakshi work ?
@@joe77andino I liked them both when I watched long before the Jackson LOTR films because that's all there was at the time. I felt the animated Return of the King was a little strange in its animation though. I'd likely pick the animated The Hobbit over Jackson's The Hobbit because of how much PJ added nonsense to the movies. But PJs LOTR trilogy was well done even despite changes I might have grumbled about. I can appreciate the classic nature of those old animated films at a time when you couldn't get anyone to touch Lord of the Rings as a live action film.
Sidenote:
I have been told there is a fan edit of PJs The Hobbit that takes out the nonsense, so one of these days, I'm going to have to find that edit and see if it changes my mind. 🧐😁
@@joe77andino Nice list... I'm first and foremost a student of Tolkien, but I once was a 'Star Wars' fan, even read the books. But I started to give up years ago. It's just been hard to keep loving that universe. 'Star Trek', was my jam for years until all these new series came out and just didn't feel like Trek anymore. I watched up to 'Enterprise', started to watch the newer shows and just lost interest. I couldn't tell you what really didn't sit with me, but it seemed to have lost something for me. Trek has always been progressive with their stories and had a diverse cast since the 1960s, so that's not an issue for me and the story was good. I can't identify the specific thing that isn't catching me. I really wanted to like 'Picard', but I got bored halfway through season 1. And I love Patrick Stewart. I'll watch him in anything.
The allegory is so thick in the show. 2 misogyny stories, 2 believe all women, 1 civil war racism plot
It's a member Berry show. You're meant to like it because it superficially resembles Tolkien, just like the only way you could like the characters is if they superficially resemble yourself
The orc tunnels almost feel like a stranger things reference
I thought I read somewhere that Tolkien hated allegory in all its forms...
@@mixelplik yup. He thought the Lion Witch and the Wardrobe was basically rubbish.
When I first saw things like the Last Jedi and Ghostbusters 2016, I thought they were just a bad form of modern entertainment...
I didn't think they would become the standard.
They have an agenda.
@@DavidTMSN Which is?
@@Tobunari The agenda that adheres to the cause (activism) at the expense of the story (substance) - The ends justify the means.
They will sacrifice the story (in this case Tolkien's Legendarium) 100% of the time if it means pushing their warped worldview on the audience.
@@DavidTMSN Not really getting an answer here, the Agenda is what, the worldview is what?
That Black people are just superior? Eh, I'm pretty sure most normal people just want to live their lives, and the only ones overly concerned are the ones that act like they have to fix some grave mistake. Meanwhile Hollywood expects to cater to this idea for easy money, unaware the people they're catering to would rather have it and everything for free because they feel entitled to it and don't want to work.
@@Tobunari What are you even talking about? Never mentioned Black people or them being superior, not once.
Thank you for a thorough summary of this series I do not feel like I have missed anything by not watching it now.
I'm wondering why I don't see anyone mentioning how bizarre Disa is, in terms of characterization.
It was possible that she hadn't even seen Elrond before, given that Elrond didn't come to the wedding or any of their children's birthdays. The only way she's heard of him would then be through his husband, Durin. He would obviously be increasingly negative on him and she just... Didn't listen? Didn't believe him? When Elrond comes, she instantly hugs him and tells Durin to make up with him. If I were in a similar situation, I would at least ask Elrond to explain himself.
Then again, she didn't keep their the children from playing with Durin's treasures, so maybe she just doesn't care. Really weird.
A slightly creepy thing is that Arondir has been in the area for almost 80 years. That would mean that he saw Bronwyn's grandmother grow up, then her mother, and finally Bronwyn coming of age. Giggity?
Yeah its why elf human love is taboo. In some fantasy the elf's see it like banging a pet.
Arondir saw Bronwyn born, and at some point said "I'm gonna tap that someday"
@@VentrexTheXVth we get icky when we hear someone married a girl they knew since she was born. imagine how much worse it would be to have known their MOTHER since birth. ugh
can't wait for normie twt to realize this and have an aneurysm trying to justify it
@@VentrexTheXVth 😂
A note: Most of the Istari were sent to Middle Earth during the Third Age, but it's said in "The Peoples of Middle Earth" that the Blue Wizards were sent in SA 1600, the same year that the One Ring was forged by Sauron. So Meteor Man being a Blue Wizard (Alatar or Pallando) is possible as far as timelines go. This is contradicted in Unfinished Tales which says all the Istari were sent in the Third Age if I remember correctly, but it's up in the air.
EDIT: Because RoP is smashing together and wrecking the timeline already, they may just decide it's ok to ignore almost all other timeline inconsistencies as well.. so yeah. Could be anyone.
It is LORE the two blue wizards are in the seconds age!!! I believe this is Sauron. I need to research why the meteor would work as this confuses me.
Still doesnt make sense since the Istari Tolkien does elaborate on came by boat from Valinor. It literally set the tone between Saruman and Gandalf since Cirdan gave his ring Narya to Gandalf instead of Saruman.
@@johan8969 don't follow you here! Gandalf did come by boat and 100 years into the third age. So we KNOW it's not him. However Tolkien does not say how the Blue wizards were sent! So could still be one of them. However it's Sauron as this will be the "big" twist. We are meant to think it's the Gap model on the boat with Warrior Galadriel. This is their big reveal 🤮
@@HughSmith unless they are taking extreme liberty(which they are) I don't think it's Sauron, because after the War of Wrath and Morgoth's defeat is was explicitly stated that Sauron was too afraid or prideful to face judgement in Valinor and so hid in Middle Earth ,refusing their summons.
@@HughSmith You are contradicting yourself here. Anything can happen since they dont give a shit about Tolkien lore so it might as well be Gandalf. The guy on the raft with Galadriel is most likely Sauron or one of his servants since they are going to Númenor. The kingdom will fall and Galadriel will stand around telling everyone "I told you so". Yes, I hold a Palantír, no you cant touch it.
I liked the part where Galadriel walks into the biker bar and says “ I need your clothes, your boots and your motorcycle “. Right then I knew she was going to track down Sauron and punch him out, once and for all.
i felt the opposite. I was like "oh, she's just like a terminator, lack of caring and emotion" and just like the terminator wouldn't accomplish her mission, at all.
"Cuz she is was off playing Kill Bill.."
You got me 😂😂😂😂
For a show who's staff has utterly rejected the concerns of actual fans of the source material, they seem to be relying heavily on people already having knowledge of the source material.
They are the mother-in-law who invites herself in and then completely rearranged your furniture, the contents of your kitchen cabinet, your nightstand drawer 😳…and gets mad at you for saying anything about it.
Something tells me they're still using Tom Shippey's outline ... poorly.
Its kinda like the "halo" show in that way. In order to understand certain parts you need to know the lore, but knowing the lore makes it confusing as the show ignores the lore repeatedly.
"Do you know why a boat floats but a stone cannot?" 🤣
There are still many people in this world who do not know how a metal ship can float and how a heavy airplane can fly. They are called 'Rings of Power' fans...
A stone cannot float because it isn't a witch!
I've heard that very small rocks can float... or a duck. So if she weighs the same as a duck...
@@bsa45acp maybe it was carried by a swallow...
@@fennglordd6365 🤣
I feel they totally missed in making it for the modern era with Elrond and Durin making up buy figuring out that their cell providers for different and their texts were lost or something like that, makes perfect sense.
This is what you get when you hire based on college degree rather than talent, and I love it!! It warms my soul to know how bad this is. :)
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Galadriel's husband : "I'm glad that you spent this time with me and we're married together galadriel. Were you ever with anybody else not that it matters or anything. "
Galadriel : " well I was with this one guy named halbrand on a raft. We didn't like each other at first but we grew a close bond of friendship. And we made love to each other but then he turned out to be sauron and I have to hunt him down and kill him but I failed in that mission. "
Galadriel husband : " SAURON YOU SLEPT WITH SAURON HE LITERALLY TURNED EVIL YOU HAD EVIL IN YOUR HOO HA HE'S A LITERAL DARK LORD. "
By this time, Sauron was so evil and cruel that he gave Morgoth a run for his money... Guyladriel didn't sense that even with him tickling her cervix?
@@aleisterbroley900 I am Dead 💀
Sauron the pimp of middle earth who banged his rival because he wanted to taste She-Elf p*ssy and have revengesex for Guyladriel slaying his Orcs🤣😂 Great fanfiction
husband. sorry she's been married a very long time but i have yet to see any "husband" in this show so far, just a girl running off to do her own stuff being the super amazing girl of the series who can do everything with her light saber and beating up all the bad guys where the men fail.. You can't do all that with a husband strapped to your waist, i think they forgot Celeborn entirely, feminists don't want a husband holding them down.
"It's not made for you! But you must love it anyways or you're a racist!" - Mary Sue (prob)
Tolkien created a world & if you want to make a movie "based on JRR Tolkien" world, you HAVE TO STICK WITH THE LORE!! I'm sorry but you can make ANY STORY YOU WANT WITHOUT TRASHING WHAT OTHERS LOVE!! What are they going to ruin next??
They don't care. For these people, LotR is just a brand name, an established commercial success, with already people having advertisement, so, when launching a new thing under this name, it will have success because it's already fashionable, so, you skip the long process of creating a demand. Just marketing, not caring.
So, as it won't work, they'll take anything that has worked before to continue to make money, as launching something completely new is risky.
'what make a story? WITHOUT SHITTING WHAT PEOPLE LIKE NOOOOOOOOOOO"
Thanks for making these videos. We're all holding onto something important here.
What are we holding on to, Sam?
That there’s some good in this world, Mr. Frodo. And it’s worth fighting for.
Thank you so much for coming up with the energy to point out everything out that makes Tolkies Remains begging to be cremated ! i couldn t stop crying ...
Listening to him explain what’s missing and what’s wrong with the show is the only reason I want them to keep making episodes. Keep up the good work man enjoying every second of it.
I feel thats the real reason these shows exist. Nobody acually likes the show we're just so enthralled by the cringe we cant help but want more. The ultimate game of reverse psychology. So they think. 🤔
PJ fans like you aren't real Tolkien fans
@@reek4062 what does pj fan mean?
@@HAbarneyWK Any fan who watches Peter Jackson's LoTR film.
@@pressedv3017 thanks!
I don't think anyone who created or developed this show actually wanted to do it for any other reason than being employed. Imagine if you worked at Amazon Studios as an executive and this landed on your desk. It's like your ignorant boss tasks you with a project that you know can't be done competently but you have to do it anyway.
Part of me thinks this is how most things are going in Hollyweird these days. People need the work so they can’t really complain when even an obvious turd gets dropped on them.
I'm sure you hit the bullseye here! I wish more people had realized it...
leaving a starbux coffee cup on the medieval table should be the universal new sign for blinking sos in morse code
sounds like being given a book report in highschool and you only have 1 day todo it
Don’t forget they had a Tolkien scholar on staff, whom they dismissed likely because he objected to this foolishness. It’s Hanlon’s Razor in reverse: “never attribute to stupidity that which is adequately explained by malice”
Your arguments are clear, concise and well thought out. truly well done.
One of the best parts might have been when Darth Sauron tried to convince Lucia Galadrias that she should be a stay-at-home mom, but she replied "I shall be property of no man. My glory shall come from superhuman powers and always being right." It was so brave. Not 100% sure if they included it in the release (due to the boycott), but I've learned from the Amazonians that we can just make up any junk, steal ideas while calling it inspiration, and tell a story as long as it suits a relativistic, post-modern agenda of opposing what we consider traditional values.
You missed the part where black elf and his white love are talking and walking to the village and he insults the village for might being under the influence of the dark lord still, the lady gets mad and then tells him those are her people and then has zero reaction to seeing the village burned to the ground, not a sigh nor whimper, like wth lady you just said those were your people, at least act sad.
how old is the black elf kinda creepy hes been on gaurd of that town for 78 years or something he must have watched that girl grow up from a baby just waiting to get his shot kinda creepy if you ask me....
@@chriswaye5212 lol. Knowing how f’ed the makers of this show is, he probably helped deliver her.
@@Jackthat1 Fuck, that would be so disturbing!
@@rufiredup90 you ever watch the Twilight movies, yeah me neither but there is part near the end that does happen and it’s as weird as it sounds.
@@Jackthat1 Ohh, yess, the werewolf Jacob imprinting on Bella's daughter. It's even more disturbing cuz he wanted to frick Bella and then when her baby was born now he wants her. Like wtf?
I asked a friend what he thought about galadriel jumping ship in basically the middle of the atlantic. he gave the first episode 8/10 (which seems insane to me) and is no tolkien fan to begin with but I figured anyone would find that part in the show weird.. So I said; of course elves are supposed to have greater stamina in general, more than regular people, but that's just too much, right?
he said: it's fantasy. I don't care.
🤷♂
There's an audience for everything I suppose.
It's frustrating when people don't see the flaws somehow
Some people are born with a taste for eating turds. Others go to the same restaurant, day after day, for years, always getting served a turd on a platter, and complain about the flavor and texture; but they keep their standing reservation and come back the next day to do it all over again. 🤷♂️
@@brianmurphy6480 And when the entertainment industry has produced so much crap consistently, I guess it's normal for many people to just get used to it and not expect something better.
I mean, people are just outing their intelligence now. The stupid really is at that level and people really are that starved for distraction.
The bar is very low in 2022, my friend.
You have your own eloquence and I rlly enjoy listening to your videos- they just sink in. Thx for making good content
I totally agree with you 👍👍
I'm not watching this show anymore, so I just will watch your video, because you illustrate perfectly!
i love the way the Not'obbits lanterns are human sized in an effort to show they are small , its such a complete own goal such a fail to understand the basics of what they were going for.
exactly lol it is so dumb. They would be using SMALL lanterns of their size, they wouldn't be using human-sized ANYTHING.
Didn't she make a small magic boat when she was a little kid in the show? Would it have been less bad for her to pull out some kind of life boat from within the ship, magic it a bit and ride it back? It would still be *bad* but "Galadriel rides magic boat across sea" seems like an improvement over "and then she swam across an ocean to another continent. My 2 cents.
But then her clothes wouldn't have gotten wet, turning sheer. Then Sauron wouldn't have seen her lush body and wouldn't have his upcoming forbidden romance with her. As Amazon's GOT, this series needs torrid love scenes.
I don't think I've seen her use magic once in the show. Which greatly disappoints my mum since she loves female magic users!
@@rocketraccoon1976 no, NO, *FUCKING HELL NO* they are not really doing that shit are they?!
@@michelecastellotti9172 yes, until later part she realizes Halbrand is Sauron the deceiver
Then she will suggested the idea of creating ring of powers to fight against Sauron using mithril
THEN Sauron will copy her idea, creating master ring
No joke, it's from script leaked and people who already saw all 7eps
No ring is create in first season
@@dafuqgusdafrey60 ... i just wanna *T A L K* to them.
This is one of the best recaps I have heard!
We thank you so much for creating this video and making such a clear and concise takedown of the show. There's nothing more cringy than watching people talking about how Tolkien fans are racist and this show is "so amazing and epic."
Seem to be Hollyweird favor thing to respond to fan if u don't like it u most be racist or a misogynist toxic masculinity wtf ?!? it like these people got a robot brain set to auto use words to Gaslight fan and critics with ... it is cringy the NCP robotoid conspiracy theory seem real right now .. when I see how amazon actor and actresses everyone involved sounds strange human behavior for sure bro .
“You shall not morb for morgoth!”
Best part of any movie in the last century
If they needed to have an ethnic cast, why not set it in the south or Far Harad? They could show an underground fighting against Sauron.
That actually sounds awesome, now that I write it out.
Lmao bro you know DAMN well they don't know shit about that
That's a show I'd watch.
In the lore, the Numenoreans were raiding and enslaving the less advanced peoples of Middle Earth at this point. Which would have been a perfect opening for diverse heroes, and a chance to set up the seduction of one of them to ally with/ receive a Ring from Sauron... They had their story basically outlined for them by one of the greatest authors the human race has ever produced.
They could have had PIRATES in Umbar to the north of the main action of their show if they put it south down that coast. Everybody loves pirates. You could have had a cameo appearance by Aragorn in his earlier years before he left Gondor for the west. It's like they bought the rights to the appendices without reading them.
It would just become a slavery plot line.
Rings of Power has been entertaining for me so far. The roast of it, I mean.
Mate, you’re a genius. Please keep it going!
Out of all the reviews of this show, these are the videos I wait for the most! Someone who has a vast knowledge on the series
Angry Joe: "Gladroll goes to Riverdale to seek support from Elfdill to beat Sourman."
i recently said how i didnt like galadrel's characterization, and got called a mysognist... im sorry when did i ever say i hate her, i just prefer how she is in lore and the original movies because it nails that bit of aloofness but also real wisdom and feminine guile she has. the kind that would make her queen.
She's a strong woman and your allegiance is not negotiable.
You're not a misogynist for not liking Galadriel in The Rings of Power. In the show, she goes on a quest to find Sauron accompanied with a group of (all-male) elves so ill-trained they can't even fight a troll. She is more focused on the quest than she is with their well-being, pressing forward despite the objections from her men and order of the king. They eventually turn against her. This wouldn't be a problem if she was some other female character, but this is Galadriel, Lady of Light and the show makes you want to root for this selfish, inconsiderate person just because she is a stronk wahman. She isn't even a character, she's a device that exists to show the incompetence of every other male character.
She was always a strong independent woman. Difference is, he was well written before, and now she's not.
@@aithjawcraig9876 Its like the scene where Jeoffrey yells "I am king!". Sure buddy.
That's the play. Amazon thinks that by buying the right to put "Lord of the Rings" on their content, they bought the slavish loyalty of all Tolkien fans, and they're very excited to call us racist/mysogynist/bigots if we dare step out of line by not adoring everything the shove in our faces🤦 We owe them nothing.
I need to know why ppl actually LIKE this series so far.
Man, I was waiting for your video 👍🏻
I cannot believe that my favorite character is DISA by far…. I actually really liked her. Because she supports her husband and her family and she’s not a warrior princess. To me it was the most accurate portrayal of a woman in the show thus far… and I’m not saying they should just be housewives, she was an integral part of the mining process and that’s how they met each other. But she doesn’t have to carry a pickax or be breaking rocks to do her part in their society. She uses her gifts to help her tribe because she’s an actual strong woman Who loves her family and is not selfish.
Galadriel on the other hand is basically a discount version man who is smaller and weaker and still tries to physically fight when she was one of the most powerful magical beings in all the realms…. that’s not a strong woman that’s a weak ass man with small 💪.
Because she is classic housewife? :D I find her a bit exaggerated on the other hand I have no problem with warrior galdadriel to be honest
@@nifrain9494 she’s not just a housewife. She’s part of the mining process and they met each other while they were mining. In fact she’s integral to the mining process according to the show. And when is being a housewife such a bad thing? That’s just one side of her character. But to me it makes her believable and a complete human. Warrior Galadriel is super not believable because she’s 130 pounds shopping Keith trolls and a half well it slaughtered all her other elf warriors… it’s absolutely ridiculous. You don’t have to physically fight or be a b rated man to be a strong woman.
Women use their guil and they’re intellect… guys tend to use their tactical knowledge and brut strength one is not greater than the other. Guys suck without women, women suck without guys as a whole…. what’s wrong with saying that we need each other?
I liked disa because I felt the actress gave her more depth than any of the other actors gave their respective characters
I found it weird how she didn't look after their kids and seemed to really like Elrond from the word go despite only hearing about him from someone who increasingly disliked him, but to each their own.
@@The_0G_Chad true, I missed that.
Elves are strong though without being super mascular. Same could be said about Legolas for example. Where does he take the strength to use a bow? (Because if you are realistic, archers had to be extremely muscular, you need way more strength using a bow than a sword)
I knew when this series dropped you were gonna drop some great videos bro.
My favorite part was when Elrond apologized to Queen Dorito for having white privilege and pledged to be an ally to all dwarfs of color. Then he came out as non binary and finally told everyone his preferred pronouns. Such strength.
this show has so many other movies and TV shows in it, we have jaws, the cosbys, cast away, many day time soaps, and many others and now they add the dark Crystal. the Skeksis would hit a stone to pick their next leader. all these other movies and TV shows influenced this show all but the lord of the rings, the one thing that should have they seem to have left out
7:40 remember, Morgoth might have destroyed the 2 trees, but only after Ungoliant drained them of all their light. I have a friend of mine tried to claim this show wasn't taking stories or inspiration from the silmarillion... Yet like you said, here they are talking about a key moment of the silmarillion!
The scene with the two trees was the only part that didn't suck
Also the oath of Feanor which play a big part before war of wrath
earendil depart to valinor etc etc
The trees are mentioned in several places in the LOTR Appendices, which they have the rights to.
In the words of great dark mage Ceeju:
"Ah, shit. There and back we go again".
I love the transitions in your script from scene to scene
you predicted the future here about digging too deep and finding Durins Bane lol around 9 and half minutes in. love your videos
Why didn't they use the tech from The Mandalorian that integrates CGI really well into the practical sets? With the amount of money, they could've done wonders.
That would’ve required forwarded thinking.
Every day, hour, minute that passes, the explanation narrows further down to ...money laundering and embezzlement. and/or huge tax writeoff. Got to be.
Lazy amazon work. Make the series as simple as possible. I am not suprised
Paying the experts would have been extra cost maybe
This is so strange. The way you describe Elrond's meeting with Celebrimbor, with o mention of Feanor or the Silmarils (by name at least, from what I'm hearing), and only a passing reference to Morgoth - as if the events of the Legendarium didn't basically happen on account of the actions and conflict between Feanor and Morgoth - seems to indicate to me that Amazon really did have us hard core fans in mind for this show as we are already very familiar with the Silmarillion and we know how Celebrimbor and Elrond came to be here.
And that's very odd. Because if anyone at Amazon has been paying attention to Tolkien's fandom since, like, the 1980's at least, they'd know not to expect that level of success with us. Decades of subjection to crappy adaptations (at best) before PJ's LotR (which I could pick apart, but don't) has made us an insufferably tough crowd with a reputation for being impossible to please.
The only good thing I can say about this series is that now the world knows why we're so intolerant of lore changes. Because once you allow even just one change, these people see it as you giving them permission to change all of it so as to be virtually unrecognizable.
They can call us "ists" and "phobes" all they want, at Tolkien's Legendarium is where our sufferance stops. Always has been, always will be. No amount of burying their heads in the sand will save Amazon from complete and total humiliation, and this series will go down in history as one of media's biggest trainwrecks.
Right along with the insanity that was their Cinderella movie I have regrets.
Complete wreckage of established lore figures and personality depictions before the show even starts.
I'm a mild fan because of the animations of Rankin & Bass, Bakshi
Thought Galadriel was more of a magic user type of character in the lore ? And the diversity part couldn't they had made a oringal *Haladrim* story like the PS4/XBOX game Shadow of Mordor like *Baranor* was a black man being the Protagonist in the add on game ? If they show that side of middle earth it could of been interesting not come off as adding Worldly narrative in lore that doesn't even parallel our reality.. why we read or watch sci fi fantasy in the first place..
@@orianaspiderowl769 I don't know what they're doing with other fairy tale adaptations (I think Cinderella may be a Brother's Grimm tale originally?), but as somebody with Danish heritage, I saw what they did to the Little Mermaid and checked out - well, I checked out long before that actually on account of that stuff, but yeah, what an eyeroll. I knew it was coming, but still...
@@joe77andino If all you know of Tolkien is Rankin Bass and Bakshi, and video games (which I'm not knocking necessarily), then of course you feel Tolkien is lacking for the same reasons the show runners say; "Its doesn't reflect our modern world". Well duh, there are no dragons, dwarves and elves in our modern world either, that doesn't mean that the Legendarium doesn't have value, as is evidenced by the sheer magnitude of us fans.
I mean space travel to other star systems and alien species also does not reflect out modern world, but hey, I'm not about to use that to say we that we shouldn't have sci-fi. You know?
Tolkien wrote an origin story for England, which up until that point utterly lacked one due to the Norman Invasion which completely oppressed the previous Celtic/Saxon culture each of which had their own origin myths and at least to a degree blended together. Because I read Tolkien's works as a child, I went on to educate myself on Celtic and Germanic lore, fae lore, etc., and I filled up multiple bookshelves with historic/anthropological/archeological works and fairy tales. I'm talking about northwestern and central Europe as being a place where epics happened irl and in legends.
Diversity, as we think of it today, was not needed to make this area and time in history complete. If you think it does, then by all means stick to terrible adaptations that are completely and utterly devoid of soul and Tolkien's underlying messages (which unless you've read his work, I guarantee you do not know). Stick with your video games. Thats obviously where your heart lies and *we respect that.* Mine, and a lot of other peoples' hearts lie with histories, myths and Tolkien's Legendarium, and for the love of all that is holy *that deserves respect.*
I'm not dunking on you dude, by all means please, you do you. You like things to "parallel our reality"? Well, great news! You're spoiled for choice!! Really, look around you, you've got it everywhere you look! Clearly Tolkien's Legendarium is not for you, and that's fine. No problem. Don't consume it then, and leave people who do enjoy it alone. Please leave us to our Legendarium, because the only place in which that exists is in - wait for it - *books!*
I just... Is that really so difficult??
Love this guy! Everything said is always on point 👌
I will keep on watching this abomination just to enjoy your ripping it apart afterwards JSG, awesome work man 👌🏼 🙏🏼
6:02 OK, let's ignore the anti-Tolkien elements for a moment and consider this purely from the point of cinematography. The torch is burning with a blue flame, it's soaked in alcohol. It's a trivial detail, true, but for such an expensive production, a little CGI work in post would have fixed this easily. Secondly, he's looking _at_ the flame. I'm sure it's fascinating, but he won't be able to see anything else, which is the sole point of carrying a torch. Thirdly, composition. Following all the lines and boundaries between dark and light, what is the viewer's eye drawn to? The campfire in the background. I doubt very much that this is the most important element of the scene.
If this series is remembered, as well as a lesson in how not to write or publicize a show, it'll be a lesson in how not to film one.
That's actually not such a bad thing as far as film goes. In a movie, it's more important that they have the characters' faces illuminated than that they have the light shining realistically. A common example is any scifi movie involving a spacesuit, they ALWAYS have lights inside the helmet shining on the character's face, which would obviously blind them. But they need it because it's more important that the audience see their face than that the actor see the dark set.
@@orirune3079 Yes, the lighting itself is tolerable, the problem is that the actor is looking in the wrong direction. Compare the poster for _Shutter Island_ - DiCaprio's face is illuminated in a similar way, but he's looking over the flame, not at it.
You are telling me that the dwarves have a Trial by Stone like the Skeksis had in The Dark Crystal?
When I realised I was looking at celebrimbor, I laughed so hard I ended up in a coughing fit afterwards
"No built up but hoping for the payoff" catches the episode in a nutshell
It's clearly Mithril in the casket Durin squared were looking at. Especially with a Balrog being shown at some point in the season
Right? It's hilarious how he just wants to sound smart naming all of these other objects while not saying the most obvious thing.
@@walrusrobot5483 I wouldn't necessarily say he was just trying to sound smart. I would imagine it's just an oversight. JSG is clearly a gigantic fan of the series, and knows his stuff. But when doing probably hours and hours of work to create these videos, it's probably hard to see the forest from the trees.
That lady pushing Galadriel off the raft was their way of showing that being an elf doesn't excuse you from white privilege.
Only elevated and privileged ones are allowed to swim the ocean.
yes and some human lady is going to actually be able to do that to a thousands of year old elf Galadriel who is suppose to be a super soldier Sue killing ice trolls single handed, but she can't simply outfight a human woman. Show logic is just so dumb.
"I was awakened since before the breaking of the first silence, in that time I have had many names"
-Halbrand
Excellent work sir.
Dwarf Kazad Dum looks more like Dwarf underground from Dragon Age Origin... which, in retrospect, might have been the better franchise to buy and riff off for a tv series that would compete with GoT.
When Galadriel turned around, smiled at the camera and said “It’s Chimichanga Time”!
And took out the troll…. I was all in.
The one thing I cannot get past here is Durin has a father.
"The world was young, the mountains green
No stain yet on the Moon was seen
No words were laid on stream or stone
When Durin woke and walked alone
He named the nameless hills and dells
He drank from yet untasted wells
He stooped and looked in Mirrormere
And saw a crown of stars appear"
- Song of Durin
This isn't the Durin of the poems that was the original Durin that eventually created and settled the city in the first age, a VERY long time before this Durin in the show. Not even close to the same person. The original Durin was created so he didn't have a father. You are greatly mixing up characters just because they have the same name. This show is in the 2nd age.
I've been waiting for this...
The more you review this the more confident I am in my writings that I'm doing.
the actress that plays the queen is actually a good cast and you can clearly see she takes it more serious than her coworkers. i was wrong about her casting and ill admit that.
She's not the queen yet. When Prince Durin becomes king after the death of Durin III, then she will be queen.
Isn't that funny? That all the "racist" fans would find the BLACK female dwarf to be one of the BEST characters in the series so far? 🤷♂️
Sophia Nomvete is still an awful human being, though. In a sane world, her off-set interviews and verbal ejaculations should see her barred from decent society.
@@richardrose2606 thanks for the correction!
@@brianmurphy6480 i haven't followed her interviews. What did she do?
@@valaraukar_595 From what I've seen, the interviews were repetitively focused on her, and how important it was that she had been cast for the role as the first ever female dwarf. She barely mentioned the character at all, let alone how she had played the role, any anecdotes from the filming, etc. that could have drawn an audience into the story.
Which is a shame, as her scenes were some of most engaging so far, perhaps because they are standard domestic friction and familiar territory for the writers.
“Let me risk a little more light. Behold... the great realm and Dwarf-city of Dwarrowdelf!” I swear, when I saw that shot in “The Fellowship of the Ring” I burst into tears. Over a shot of a dimly lit half-miniature and half-CGI hall. Can you top that, Amazon? Yeah, I thought so…
Yeah I'm not feeling any emotions from this show. Shit in the Fellowship I felt joy, fear, and mystery in the first half hour. I get nothing from this show yet. Something is seriously missing. The music is meh, some of the scenes are cool. The dialog is pretty bad. When Nori and her friend are talking, the one friend says. Okay. Okay? I know its a hard word for modern english speakers to not say, you couldn't do a retake and have her say something else? Are they gonna start throwing in cool and awesome to really throw me out of the middle earth mood. really hope this improves but I'm not holding my breath.
I reckon it’s gonna be Mithril in the box. They should have found it by now but the show is playing pretty hard and fast with the timeline so I reckon it’ll be Mithril