Gondor in Transition: A Forced Allegory
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- Gondor in Transition: A Forced Allegory
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"I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence." Tolkien.
This
@@hammerofdavey what's sad is that they'll probably start canceling him, like they did that to Stan Lee as soon as he died. So them targeting Tolkien himself once the fandom rejects the wokeness is inevitable.
I thought there was a quote from him related to this. Good memory.
@@saberteck4176 Let them boycott. The woke cultists pushing themselves out of the fandom would be a good thing.
Yes, and "I think that many confuse applicability with allegory, but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author." This is applicability, not allegory.
"Evil cannot create, only can corrupt what already exists" is one of the many themes Tolkien has in his works. This "seminar" is a perfect portrayal of such a theme.
If they don't believe in the bible, why do they behave like a plague? Checkmate wokeists.
This postmodernist hack is like wormtongue, twisting the words of wisdom to further its own sick agenda.
@@welcometoperonia6572
Eowyn: "Your words are poison!"
Woketongues: "You're not an ally! Gendertraitor! Cancel her! Ree!"
@@URMyNewTV I love the term "woketongue", I hope someone like Gary from Nerdrotic or Jeremy from Geeks+GAmers adopt it.
@@welcometoperonia6572 Or Kneon or Geeky Sparkles from Clownfish TV.
"These f~ing woketongues have canceled another redhead! Sorry, mom!" :)
Tolkien said out loud and in writing multiple times, "I don't like allegory." The subtext is pretty much "Read the story. Hope you enjoy it."
Tolkiens subtext is "I like trees"
@@georgethompson1460 Yeah, one of the things that inspired him to write a book was the fact that when he returned from the war to his home, the place was completely industrialized and all nature was dead.
There is no subtext. Allegory is in itself a subtext. Tolkien didn't like it, as you said.
Reminds me of an old joke :
2 students are at an author public interview, and when they got the mike, they ask him a question :
"- Our literature teacher said that in your book, you use the colour blue when you describe the shutters of your hero's bedroom windows as a way to express his melancholia to come, is that true ?"
"- Your teacher is full of shit, I just like blue."
I like this.
These people are not fans or nerds, they are activists. It's almost like people don't understand what infiltration tactics are.
Sam and Frodo: We're best friends.
Wokeists: *Those two are gay.*
These people make me want to drink even harder than critical drinker and that guy. Drink so much alcohol it'll put you into a coma drinking his daily dose of alcohol.
Sometimes my wrathful imagination brings me images of them being shot for trying to destroy one of my several loving franchises. They succeeded to destroy Star Trek, Star Wars, Doctor Who and others. They are going to destroy J.R.R. Tolkein's works. I will not shed a single tear when they leave this world.
They no longer believe in 5hings like friendship. All relationships are power plays, sexual, and/or both.
@@wolfbane7497 get the toilet duck
They are Marxists.
That woman's arrogance is surpassed only by her ignorance.
And her delusional state of mind
Both go hand in hand more often than not.
@@f145hr3831jr more like always. ignorance and arrogance are each the source of the other and the 2 traits are the main traits of a very large majority of humanity.
Pseudointellectualism on proud display. Big words do not mean great thinking.
She sounds like she's on the verge of tears. It sickens me
This woman speaks as though she’s heard the voice of God and what she’s speaking is profound, groundbreaking and sacred. I want her to come back to REALITY and realize she’s talking about LGBTQ in LORD OF THE RINGS
I'm a trans person and it's been a while since I last had the opportunity to read the books; when I did, however, I didn't pick up any trans context anywhere in the books. Nor did I find it necessary to redefine the works to fit my life etc. They are just great books about an ancient past that might have been. They don't need to be more than that.
I'm a reader that likes to check for deeper meanings in literature and media, and the thing I got from the books was the world building aspect (far more extensive than you'd usually find in fantasy) and the meaning (and power) of friendship, both at its best and worst. The books clearly illustrate people at their best and people at their worst and the consequences of that choice for each. If someone wanted to make a claim based on the better and worse nature of people in general, that would have been a much better point to start of with if you wanted to find parallels to other stories or looking for unstated truths.
So you are, basically, a sane person, capable of coherent and autonomous thought. Can we have more of you on the planet and less of that "scholar", please? ;)
"Being able to speak doesn't make one intelligent."-Qui-gon
LOL! That is very wise.
🤣🤣👍
Liberals: "freedome of speech.", "Freedom of expression.", "identity"
Ben Shapiro: "The ability to speak doesn't make you intelligent."
The ability to speak doesnt make you intellegent
But that still applies
@@sanstheelumbu You are probably right. I honestly havent seen episode 1 for a decade or more. I can't survive the idiocy.
“The Shadow that bred them can only mock, it cannot make: not real things of its own." - Gandalf
The accuracy gives me chills
@@wyzasukitan I can't think of a better metaphor for these people than Sauron and his orcs. They constantly have to find enemies to attack, or they start to cannibalize each other. And the more consumed by their hate they become, the more power they lose.
Wow, great reply.
Spot on
Best comment!
I bet she chose Gondor just because the word looks like "gender". And that's all. From there it's just mental gymnastics and discourse. I could do the same if I wanted to "prove" that Middlearth is a libertarian land, for instance. Or whatever hypotesis I choose. Everything is possible when you throw logic, reason, truth and reality away.
Listening to her is like listening to the ravings of someone with a very distorted sense of the world.
"There is no curse in Elvish, Entish, or the tongues of Men for this treachery"
luckily there is Klingon, unfortunately for me i don't know a lick of it
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👍
Even as a cursory fan of Tolkien’s books I still think this is heavily projecting. I highly doubt Tolkien even knew of people who were transgender and this feels more like trying to make lord of the rings something it isn’t.
Fan of the movies "Look the fans their moving!"
Fan of the books: "They have buisness with Hollywood, my buisness is with the Tolkien Society tonight, with the spoken word and the written text"
@@V2011F along with rock and stones
Tolkien despised allegory.
He simply wanted to create a world where little men with hairy feet, a tall elf, a badass ranger, a dwarf, and a wizard travel across the world to drop a ring in a volcano.
LET THE MAN'S STORY BE A STORY!
NEVER!!!! clearly the hobbits were gay, as were the rest of the fellowship!!!
There is looking under the hood for deeper meaning then there is this shit.
Gandalf's "death" and "resurrection" isn't an allegory of Jesus?
Are you telling me that the Elven race isn't an allegory for transgender people?! REEEEEE
@@jnoirj3124 A shared theme or similarity isn't necessarily an allegory, and he said explicitly he preferred not to write allegories so I don't think so.
Personally I always found Tolkien's assertions about allegory to be a bit...how to put it... "he protesteth too much."
That said, this bird's ramblings make less sense and cause my ears more discomfort than attempting to rewrite the lyrics of the Titanic theme in old Quenya and having Jar Jar Binks and Foghorn Leghorn sing the result as a duet. >_>
Tolkien's intended meaning of the Stewardship and Denethor is obvious, given the man's unusual anarchist/monarchist political ideals.
Denethor and the Stewardship are the unworthy ruler, who feels entitled to the position and demands others to follow him.
Aragorn and the Kingdom are the worthy monarch, who does not desire to rule at all but is followed by others regardless.
It really is simply just that.
"Aragorn and the Kingdom are the worthy monarch, who does not desire to rule at all"
That is true in Peter Jackson's films which wanted to make Aragorn more relatable to modern audiences but not the case in the book. Aragorn in the book very much believes it's his right by birth and only needed the fulfilment of prophecy in the shape of Frodo to let him give up his duty of protector of the northern realm.
Anarchist/monarchist sounds so incredibly stupid and contradictory...
@@TheSoonToBePurgedJackMeHoff55 yet that is how Tolkien explicitly defined himself, he believed that only anarchy or unconstitutional monarchy were viable morally
not really, Denethor was bad because of his hubris, he wanted more and more, Aragorn wanted to be a ruler, it was in all his actions, he knew who he was, but he saw it as a duty to his people, not a personal ambition, even if that was probably a part of it, his love for Arwen was a part of it too
Decades ago in an undergrad literature course the professor asks for responses on the day's required reading. A female rises and starts out, "This short story reminded me of when I had my first period..." "Thank you," said the professor, "please sit down." The annoyed female huffed and puffed, "Don't you want to hear my opinion?" "You are a sophomore," said the professor, "you don't know enough to HAVE an opinion."
Tolkien: *Provides articulate, in-depth descriptions of his intent and the meaning behind what he wrote*
Some lunatic decades later: "No one is qualified to interpret the text... _except me."_
They want to de-Tolkienise Tolkien, gut his works and set up some self-projected Frankenstein-like abomination.
Identify a respected institution. Kill it. Gut it. Wear its skin as a suit and demand respect. Same old pattern. Joke's on them.
@Mal - 4X Todesbote They already have. You are already seeing modern works by people from a certain political affiliation getting their books pulled, just like you see show pitches being rejected out of hand for not "ticking the right boxes". They only tolerate (some) classic works because it's useful to them. Once its usefulness runs out, they will find a "too much of a problematic nature" that requires total destruction of it, I'm sure. They care for nothing and value nothing, other than use it to gain more personal power. They have no need for dead wood/weight, because it doesn't contribute to their thirst and pursuit of power; and having a vacuum within culture is a perfect opportunity to populate it with the "right kind" of literature or media to create a "power base". Hence, why they go after popular franchises, rather than create popular franchises. For them, to have anything exist outside of their direct control is a personal affront to them, and a cultural and commercial threat to their 'success'. :/
It's actually funny how they are trying to play make believe in an effort to give a meaning to the works of one of the few authors ever who actually spelled word by word what his work actually means.
imagine if some wannabe MALE scholar started to re-interpret female writers works. These feminist goblins would be screaming from every rooftop and doxxing the scholar. But hey because it's a woman re-interpreting mans work it's just empowering since women understand men perfectly (even the perma-virgin goblins who've never talked to a man), but no man could ever understand woman's work.
“Saruman,” [Gandalf] said, “I have heard speeches of this kind before, but only in the mouths of emissaries sent from Mordor to deceive the ignorant. I cannot think that you brought me so far only to weary my ears.”
"The words of this wizard stand on their heads."
Aaaaahhh, the good ol' "Death of the Author" argument. A most useful tool for useful tools.
More like completely useless tools.
As a LOTR fans and someone who enjoys writing, this angers me that there are people who so willing go out their way to disregard and disrespect beloved efforts, creativity and most importantly works of someone who willing allowed others to partake in their passion.
Academic Vomit funded by taxpayer dollars.
Tolkien society is not representative of J.R.R. Tolkien. If he was alive he would slap their faces.
Wrong. "I think that many confuse applicability with allegory, but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author." Tolkien wanted his readers to make their own interpretations of his text, based on their own thought and experience.
@@meduseldtales3383 True. HOWEVER, just because he wanted the reader to make their own interpretations based on their own thoughts and experiences DOES NOT MEAN that his work is an allegory for whatever wacked out conclusions you make out of your own interpretations. This so called "scholar" is taking her interpretations of Tolkien's work and is claiming that they are due to allegory and not applicability. Which is absolutely, positively, and in every other way, completely false.
Nah, he and his old war buddies would be reincarnated as the Valar
@A Normal Pedestal And Definitely Not A Mimic Nope. They literally said: "I will attempt no conclusion of Tolkien's intent", and as you said, this means that it's not an allegory. Thank you for agreeing with me.
@@meduseldtales3383 you can’t say “my position is that they don’t try to interpret his intent and then try to interpret his intent” and praise them for being hypocrites.
"Texts are living, breathing things."
No, they are fixed. That's why people write them down.
It doesn't matter how clear and absolute a statement is made. There will always be an academic of little understanding around to make it mean something else.
Take for instance, and I'm sure JSG will get to this as it's in another presentation, the Valar and how they present as male and female on Middle Earth. Tolkein states that a mortal body is like clothes to them. They pick out the body to best match their temper, male or female. The LGBTQIABABupdownstart people took that to mean that Tolkein was positing the idea that a body doesn't determine gender. They took his analogy to explain the relationship between Valar and mortal bodies and extended it to a mortal's spirit and their body. All because Tolkein couldn't imagine that 70 years later people would assert that there are infinite manners of sexual identity.
Words are nothing more than a riddle that requires them to think for a solution. To make them mean what they wish it to mean.
@@maxxor-overworldhero6730 yes, that's what I said.
Agreed. I've read LOTR many times now and get something new from it each time (because I have grown or changed) but that's how great literature should make me feel.
She's conflating good characters in a story with real people. No, characters in a book don't exist and don't breathe.
Sounds like a liberal activist judge…
LOTR is a story about trying to save wholesome, good and tradition. It's NOT fucking about deconstructing shit. This "Seminar" is a perversion of Tolkien's world
We often make fun of the teachers who say “the door was red, thus had a deeper meaning”
This lady is doing exactly that, “this one chick wanted to be a warrior! Thus she was a trans female to male”
Ironically those pro-trans people are anti-feminist. As someone said recently, I think it was either Think Before You Sleep or Mr. Obvious, but gendering actions is exactly what the feminists tried to break down for for a long time. The de-gendering of clothing, of sports, of toys, the desire to abolish "girls only/boys only" toy sections etc was an attempt to show "men and women are equal and can enjoy whatever they want". Now, the transgender ideologues are saying "no, no, only girls do x, only boys do y". This reinforces gender roles and ultimately undermines the original platform women had.
Now, I think both sides of the debate is stupid, as I support gender roles and oppose transgenderism. But it is funny to watch the left eat themselves. It's not just confined to sports competitions.
@@mengoinggodsway9024 I would agree
The line between parody and reality is getting smaller and smaller every day.
Pretty sure we passed the parody line in 2016...
@@jonsimpson6240 trump broke peoples minds and he was just a rich ass.
Wait there's a line??! I need new glasses...
@@hariman7727 that's true but still gonna keep it basic as possible. Don't want peoples gerbils overworking for little brain power they might have.
@@randomperson-up5vt I'll have you know that my gerbils work out in the hamster-wheel every day and power my brain quite effeciently!
Gondor was actually founded by a group of females in the first age, they built literally everything, it was only until the final stone was laid did the men arrive, kick down the door and steal everything and thats when the 'age of men' began - The Tolkien society, probably
I can envision a Tumblr writing such a thing titling it "Return of Muh Queens"
Yep, it will go like that in Amazon, but they will probably go back to the Elves era at one point. They will turn Eru, the Father, into the Mother.
@@cainabel6356 they will treat it like some big real too to 'aubvert our expectations'
Heh. I remember a group of triggered feminists learning that *"man"* is actually unisex and synonym with *"human":*
Turns out, the old English word for "male human" is actually *"wermann",* and you can see the "wer" (or wær) noun surviving in the old English word *"werwulf"* (werewolf). The old English word for female human is *"wīfmann",* and you can see the *"wīf"* noun surviving in the modern word *"wife".*
The word *"human"* is borrowed from Latin *"humanus"* (from "hūmus" meaning earth or dirt) but it stuck in English because ends in -man.
So, nothing about excluding the WAHMEN, but stupid feminists only *assume* that that's the case and get mad at their own assumptions without bothering to look at the facts.
And they will contradict themselves saying that females are trans and that make them Men Just to not having cis women cuz Diversity.
Tolkien was a linguist first and foremost, he says what he means! No digging required.
I'm so tired of this approach to classic stories I ran into this a lot in college and it drove me nuts. They wanted to hammer in this idea called, "the Death of the Author," which basically just means that our own subjective interpretations of a text is just as valid, if not more valid than the author's. Trying to normalize the idea that it's ok to force our own stories in place of existing stories regardless of context.
There's only so many times I can roll my eyes at this stupidity.
She sounds like she's trying to hit a certain word count.
"If I Had More Time, I Would Have Written a Shorter Letter"
I'd argue it's more an issue of trying to jam as many buzzwords into what should have been a simple discussion on why Tolkien can be something for everybody. :/
@@sigmacademy She's trying to sound intelligent, when there's no intelligence to be found here.
When I took a creative writing course, I found I frequently came up short of the target word count. This is easily achievable by 1) having a point to be made, and 2) making it
These people are narcissists using Tolkien to feed their narcissism
WHAT THE HELL ARE THESE PEOPLE SMOKING !!!!! This is literally like that scene Avatar when the scientist is trying to explain Pandora.
As a living organism but the company guy is like what the heck are you people smoking out there. It's literally like that scene I really want to know what these people are smoking to be this stupid.
This level of stupidity can't be taught it has to be literally literally put together by 5-year-olds and that's an insult against 5-year-olds because I know 5-year-olds I can make better sense than. These wackadoos are on the far left activist these people are literally grasping for straws.
Using a dead man's work to selfishly advance their own agenda by reading what they want into his texts.
To quote JRRT's grandson, Michael Tolkien, "But much of the appeal lies in the complete and consistent imaginative world, which includes characters and situations with which we can identify WITHOUT BEING BOMBARDED BY MESSAGES AND ENGINEERED LAYERS OF MEANING" (emphasis mine ; )
Guess "they" never got that message!
EXACTLY
They are what authors loathe. Someone who takes pur ideas and twists them to their desires.
If Tolkien was still alive she'd tell him what he really meant when he was writing.
“I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence. I much prefer history - true or feigned- with its varied applicability to the thought and experience of readers. I think that many confuse applicability with allegory, but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author.”
The wording of her “argument” is intentionally designed to be confusing and complicated. It’s a classic snow job, designed to make the listener get so weary from the word salad that they don’t even want to come up with a counter argument. Because you can’t create a counter argument to meaningless nonsense.
I don't care how many advanced degrees exist...there aren't enough of them to work as "dressing" to cover this word salad nonsense.
THANK. YOU.
At many points, the word salad sounds like an algorithm trying to imitate a person. I guess NPCs can't pass the Turing Test.
@@soupycolumbo6977 That would explain so much and is the only way I can make sense of any of this. Thank you?
@@nikkibrowning4546 Hahahahahahahah!!! Or at least that's what I think it reads.
“Look, Don Quixote says they’re giants. Can’t we accept his truth?”
"Looks like a Windmill."
@GanonGhidorah fool the Windmills identify as GIANTS. You are racistbigottednzi for not accepting their truth.
Is he gay or POC? If not, we should be careful, it may be QANON fake news!
@@allmight9840 but what if they are Giants that identify as windmills. I for one support the giants in their struggle for acceptance.
@@hariman7727 Ah yes, person of culture.
Reading ideas into the text that not only aren't present, but would have been nonsensical to Tolkien. Insane.
Listening to that woman was torture, holy crap.
I would never get tired of Just Some Guy takes on this topics
If ya like this, then you should check out It’sAGundam.
@@FreakenPinko256 JSG on Tolkien is like It'sAGundam going off on all things Gundam. Refreshing to hear people made experts by their fandom instead of learning it in some vague attempt to twist meanings and intentions.
I want him to host his own fan summit of Tolkien. Everyone can submit their pieces about how great the books and movies are, and we'll see how many more people turn out to watch.
I'd be there.
@@DeetotheDubs That’s exactly what I was thinking! (Probably) (I don’t know, I’m kinda slow, and not entirely sure wether or not you’re agreeing with me)
His approach is... scholarly. He knows so much more about the Rings universe than I, that's for damn sure. It also helps that he's not above being witty.
My body is ready for this video.
Do not come.
@@JustSomeGuy he gonna Come 🤣😂
Hey Az, thank you for sending us here! Great content for fans.
your body may be ready - but unless you have had 15 pints BEFORE you start watching this your mind is in the wrong plane of exsistance!
@@AzraelDarkness64Gaming Like Chris-Chan in his mom.
Back in my day my mother would tell me that I would have selective hearing. That I would only listen to bits and pieces of conversations and only select the phrases that benefit my naive mind. That's when I was a kid. These people are the embodiment of selective hearing. It's sad and maddening.
I"m glad I hung in there for the "out of your ass" moment, but man this was painful and scary knowing there are people with agenda's and ignorance pushing this kind of nonsense.
If Tolkien was alive to clear these points up, these individuals would label him and istaphobe.
Of course he was a catholic creating a mythology for his people. They'd decry that he shouldn't even be allowed for publish his works.
Don't forget racist, and a nazi. Oh yeah, I almost forgot about bigot.
And he'd eviscerate them for making up nonsense words to make nonsense ideas somehow seem legitimate and would not give two shits what the barely literates of twitter feel about his bluntness
it really is a shame he's not here
I would find that hilarious, because he stood up against the _actual_ Nazis, not against the mean people on the internet.
"If I say a random bunch of big words people will think I'm clever." - People who are idiots.
Apparently someone does think she's clever because they gave her a platform. More's the pity.
“Floccinaucinihilipilification reins supreme.”
-Anyone who gets on-the-line.
@@yourenotmarywelcome8693 came access that word in a children's novel of all places.
@@josephahner3031 - I literally googled “big words that make you appear intelligent”.
I won’t lie…..It was a low moment for me. 🤣🤣
People who are ACTUALLY fans of Tolkien’s books REALLY need to push back this time. Star Wars, Star Trek, Game Of Thrones, & He-Man have been bastardized by the mental ineptitude of The Left, we don’t need LOTR/TH to join that chopping block.
like I said leave a dead man's work alone
Don't forget what they did to Wheel of Time
Fascinating! Clearly Tolkien was such a great author he was capable of writing about issues that wouldn't arise for over 70 years!.......or this lady is clearly projecting herself onto his work.
Okay so in conclusion their whole excuse to make all these things is "oh Tolkien cant be understand"
No, it's that Tolkien did not write allegory. Why is that so difficult to understand?
WHAT THE HELL ARE THESE PEOPLE SMOKING !!!!! This is literally like that scene Avatar when the scientist is trying to explain Pandora.
As a living organism but the company guy is like what the heck are you people smoking out there. It's literally like that scene I really want to know what these people are smoking to be this stupid.
This level of stupidity can't be taught it has to be literally literally put together by 5-year-olds and that's an insult against 5-year-olds because I know 5-year-olds I can make better sense than. These wackadoos are on the far left activist these people are literally grasping for straws.
@@hariman7727 Jesus wept that's too much mental gymnastics even from me I don't get how these people function. If they have to jump through all these hoops but I guess being a narcissist makes everything make sense.
@@wolfbane7497 They don’t because literally everything upsets them especially the existence of a society that allows them to have and express these views instead of worrying for their survival because they’re not homeless, they’re not living in places where lynchings can and do happen. And likely never had to worry about anything their whole lives
Her introduction is the only important part. She prefaces the discussion by asserting that a written work *cannot* have a concrete meaning, not that Tolkien's meaning cannot be understood. Essentially, what she said right off the bat is that what Tolkien meant is irrelevant, and all that matters is subjective interpretation of what the work means, specifically, that her perspective is right simply because it's how she perceives it.
It's literally Marxist dogma, in particular Critical Theory. The point is to undermine the existence of truth and meaning, assert that all truth and meaning is subjective, and control what that subjective perspective is. It's the belief that truth is dictated by power and majority perspective, rather than than the truth being, well, the truth.
In short, in conclusion, this word salad is subversive nonsense.
The moral of the story: Don't pay for your kids to study anything in Arts/Humanities. The money would be better spent on a trade school.
If you want to become an artist just pay someone for private lessons. You'll save a lot of money and you won't get a bunch of woke bullshit.
Or for them to go to the library and learn a trade for themselves.
The money would be better spent at a Casino let alone a trade school
Money would be better spent on beer
@@dragongamer4753 Worst case on that, take a few courses at the community college
I find it interest she chooses the paragraph describing how Sauron, by filtering the information Denathor received, was able to make him believe he lived in a world so horrible it drove him mad. Substituted "Twitter" for Sauron and it's pretty accurate to her life.
Now, this is the most disturbing thing about it:
I have seen enough conferences on narrative and storytelling, where similar hacks present their deconstructions, to notice the similarities. The format is always thus:
- Overly emotional, moralistic tone in discourse.
- Poetic use of concepts that obscures their mistakes, unqualified assumptions, and leaps of logic.
- NEVER truly informative: they go around and around the topic, without ever offering meaningful content in a structured fashion (the kind of thing you would expect from a conference presentation). It always falls short as easily falsifiable, impossible to reproduce, riddled with fallacies and logical misconstructions, or ultimately redundant, boring, uninspired, and with no rescuable insights.
- BUT the most incriminating aspect of all: *they always use the same tone of voice* . Soft, half-chanted, arrogant, platitudinous, and with a weird emotional charge: as if always two steps behind the verge of tears. Manipulative, rehearsed, and consistent.
It is almost as if these people all trained their public speaking at the same place, or with the same people.
Yes, thank you! You've put to words what I was thinking the whole time while listening to "them"
I think they probably do. There seems to be a cult of Identity Politics with many members that have the goal of destroying everything that hurts their tender feelings. No one else has them remember only they have feelings.
@@Throwyourstones agreed; it is a clearly, transparently coordinated effort on behalf of The Cult™, and they DO benefit from making it so unappealing to normal people.
If you're already into it, this is your daily dose of brainwash Kool-aid. If you are not, you just walk away and never re-engage - but then you get not nearly enough people outside the cult noticing the modus operandi.
So... they think Denethor is trans.
And he kills himself near the end.
...yeah I can see why they see themselves in him.
I kinda feel bad for them, losing any sexual satisfaction, but at the same time they probably should have read the fine print before trying to completely change their identity.
He was never a femmy man.
This “person’s” seminar or more accurately sermon is a perfect reason why teaching stupid people big words before logic is a major problem.
I photosynthisize with this assesment.
I agree. she sounds like shes trying to be smart using big words. without knowing what they all mean in context.
Sounds like word salad, other than when she reads Tolkien directly....but then she highlights all of as not truly what dude wrote despite it being what he wrote.......double speak its double speak and I want to make Orwell fiction again
Also this "person" sounds too emotional almost crying while the words come from its mouth.
@@knifehandz That freak Is a man trying to be a cheap knockoff of a woman I don't give a damn about their Cultural Fascist Orwellian Newspeak garbage.
This woman really loves the sound of her own voice
Never ceases to amaze me how often these types of arguments contradict themselves. Seriously, you can make a bingo game out of it.
I like how "they" keeps "their" eyes firmly on the computer screen to make sure she reads her script right.
I was getting flashbacks of a highschool essay. Understand what conclusion the teacher wants, follow the rules of writing, get a grade. This wasn't to enlighten people on thought, but completing an assignment.
@@_Tessa_T i don’t even think they achieved that… “they” just wrote out a word soup, so much of what “they” said was completely nonsense, it wouldn’t get a passing grade in a decent school
It's sad that these people try to twist existing franchises rather than creating their own fantasy franchise
It’s because they hate seeing things that prove them wrong. They are disgusting because they are envious and envy is an ugly thing.
A much more learned person than myself once observed, those who lack talent become critics. Lately they have devolved into intellectual vandals.
They can not create anything. If they tried, it would be disgarded to the trash bin. That is why they take other people's stuff and destroy it completely. These people are destructive only.
What do you expect from Morgoth's followers?
Well according to Tolkien and the Catholic Church. Evil cannot create anything new. It can only corrupt that which was already created.
I've been a long time fan of LOTR books, read the Hobbit in High School in the 1970's and then first read LOTR's in the late 1970's, worn out a couple of copies, have the movies in standard extended versions so I'm very happy to see your continued well structured defense again the rubbish going on with Nutters are trying to spread. Keep up the good work!
“I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence. I much prefer history - true or feigned- with its varied applicability to the thought and experience of readers. I think that many confuse applicability with allegory, but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author.” - J.R.R Tolkien
tl;dr dude explicitly didn't like allegory so lets force one on his work
These people absolutely disgust me. Keep Gate Keeping as hard as you can.
"we can't simplify tolken's work into one world view. except mine, of course."
This is a perfect illustration of post-modernism in action. "One can never be 100% objective so I'll just ignore all evidence that points to reality and elevate my subjective wishes no matter what."
"But if you disagree with my subjective views then you're wrong and deserve to be harassed and threatened for holding different views".
Just a daily reminder that beauty, skills, truth and math are objective. Sjws are just lazy and jealous.
@@miguelmontenegro3520 Beauty is objective? I agree mostly with the other three but come on. Most people would consider me right wing but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
What a pathetic way of life.
@@courier4529 there is an objective value to what is considered most attractive. We can establish this through surveys and data collection of the physical attributes of those with most sexual partners and the most frequent physical attributes of married individuals
Beauty is subjective, to a point. To a majority of men, fat women are not attractive.
This reminds me of the film, "Number 23" staring Jim Carry. A story about a man who becomes obsessed with the number 23 after reading a book by the same name. He goes to find the number hidden in everything. And I mean everything. Sometimes he had to make increadable leaps of logic to find it. Like randomly adding some numbers then multiplying others. Or using the whole alphabetical number of some letters in a word, then using the sum of others. This is the kind of logic that's being applied here.
I love how thoroughly you dissect this nonsense, props to you! stay strong!
I know who the trans character is it is golem he was a person and transitioned into a monster that was self-absorbed and thought only of himself and his own desires split between a personality of wanting to be extremely helpful for the adulation of those around him and only caring about himself much like the LGBT community.
So accurate it's scary.
Gollum. Golem is an animated, clay statue from Hebrew folklore. I'm sure it's just a typo, but I had to explain that an awful lot when I was 10 and it still bugs me.
Leftist Fan(atic): We want to dissect, disembowel, and splay the world of Middle Earth to demonstrate that somewhere in the text there is definitely SOMETHING about Transgenderism or Transitioning or...
Actual Tolkien Fan: What about Gollum?
Leftist Fan(atic): Eww! No! Not like that! That's disgusting!
Actual Tolkien Fan: ...Exactly.
@@Atamastra Just like the Grape dude in My Hero Academia, a craven pervert who's supposedly aspiring to be hero, but is lazy and only useful on a case by case basis.
This reminds me of what Geralt of rivia said to Stregobor: "You're talking nonsense while making wise and meaningfull faces."
Seriously, I have no clue of what this person was taliking about.
When I hear people talking like that, I can actually feel my already dust-coated brain try to emit a puff of high-pitched hot-air in a mixture of bewilderment, and growing disinterest.
Honestly, I don’t think they do either.
It's all word salad.
This is something all sorts of pretend intellectuals do; create an entire dictionary of convoluted terms and refer to them endlessly as a means of making themselves and their arguments sound much deeper and more complex than they actually are.
Michael Eric Dyson is infamous for this.
If *she* were to express her feelings/ideas about Tolkien's work in plain language, it would be so easy to see how ridiculous it is, no one would even entertain listening to her. But if you can cough your thoughts in jargon the average person doesn't understand, you sound smarter.
It's pseudointellectual rambling.
The barely contained note of neurotic hysteria in her "presentation" is telling. I am so sick of these lunatics. Can't we just lock them up and throw away the key?.
If anybody else fails to praise it, your commitment to authenticity of one's arguments and never falling for narrative traps is a great part of your work. It is a very common and strange result that people stop focusing on the argument at hand when confronted by others or attacked by emotional mumbo-jumbo.
You prove that it's easy to disprove something by using their own premises against them.
In my senior year of high school, I was allowed to take an early college class in English, before I graduated high school. So, my first time out, when asked for an interpretation of a part of a book, I went all-out to show how deeply I could speculate. The prof's one sentence comment upon my overly-complex thoughts? "You're reading a lot into it; it's much simpler than all that." Lesson learned instantly, and I was still 17 at the time . . . This gal could have used Professor Busaliah, big time.
It's like watching a cancer trying to envelope an organism in real-time.
Or rot spreading through an over-watered tree.
That person is showing a level of absolute desperation that is frightening.
This is what I heard her say:
"We are the borg."
"We will add your biological and technological distinctivness to our own."
"Your culture will adapt to service us."
"Resistance is futile."
RIP Star Trek.
@@cainabel6356 lol .
All the mental effort put in to putting these words together, for effect of overlaying one's view onto someone else's view. It's like saving rabbit turds to make a twenty foot sculpture.
"No offense but that sounds like some f-ing commie gobbledygook" Norm Macdonald
That birch doesn't own a dog house
The legend... Norm!
RIP
As a Tolkien fan myself, I can imagine this video was frustrating to make, JSG, but what you’re doing here is important work. I, and undoubtedly everyone who cherishes Tolkien’s work, thank you. He-and his son, Christopher-would be proud of you. I truly believe that in my heart.
Hear hear! Thank you, JSG. You are respected and appreciated.
I love how she starts with "we can't be 100% sure what Tolkien means". Because it of course implies that she doesn't known either, so why should we listen to her?
SHE can't be 100% sure about what she comprehends about Tolkien's work?
Oh boy!
You're not getting what the strategy is. If someone can claim that something isn't 100% what everybody thought it was, than whatever that person says get a foot into the door without having to actually put forward a good enough argument on why his/her argument has a good enough framework to be taken seriously as a good point. :/
@@sigmacademy Manipulating words to fit her meaning when its clear she's talking rubbish?
Even though we can, because he wrote letters..
@@stunner9005 On this subject?
Isn't that reaching I mean Tolkien is Tolkien after all and most of those using this for their own purposes aren't exactly being truthful...
When one cites Tumblr in an essay, the veracity of the argument goes out the window
Man, I’m in college and I know there’s a lot that I don’t understand fully, but come on! Reading your own views into a text is the worst move a textual critic could make!
As a side point, awesome video once again! I love watching your stuff, it’s always great. Keep it up!
She thinks if she uses ten dollar words and makes herself sound smarter than she is, then people will just go along with it because they don't understand, but every argument she makes does not follow from a sound premise. They couldn't possibly, because she doesn't believe in objective truth.
This is what I sensed as her voiced cracked and her thoughts stammered. She's still trying to convince herself that this what Tolkien meant through his writings. So who else would be convinced of this if you can't convey this with any conviction.
Agreed...she argues within herself and healthy DOUBTS creep into her armor of academic "diatribes"
One of the most important videos on CZcams right now in my opinion. Thank you sir.
Thank you for being the first person I've seen on CZcams correctly describe the nuance of Denethor and the Palantir.
"Transgender realities are present in the text, its paratext, and the surrounding context."
Page reference, or there's the door. I don't think I'm being unreasonable there.
10:00 -- Did you hear that? Gandalf made a mistake therefore Gondor has transgender subtext. It's not even a leap of logic; it's a straight-up _non sequiteur_ . Pure Chewbacca Defence reasoning.
Sonic the Hedgehog, like most 2D platformers of the era, primarily makes you go right to progress through the game. However there are secrets and power ups one can only aquire by going left, the exact opposite. Therefore Amy Rose wishes she had a dick.
@@vocalcalibration8033 😂😂😂😂
@@vocalcalibration8033 My God, how did we not see it before? It was right there the whole time!
You could cut off one body part or another. But you can not change your sex
She did straight up say that she rejects "straight white male" epistemology. If your epistemology is simply magical thinking this makes total sense.
Remember that South Park episode when Eric Cartman, Stan, Kyle, and Butters wrote a story that was meant to be as digesting as possible which caused everyone who read it to throw up, yet the book became famous cause everyone was putting their interpretation of what the story meant even thou the boys flat out told the adults what the book meant and why they wrote it.
"If these realities were really there, you wouldn't have to dig this deep into Moira to actually find them" lol. Most of this video is over my head but I enjoyed it
I keep coming back to your videos like "man hold on what was that word he used, that was a good word.."... Your diction and vocabulary is exceptional, Guy.
Tolkien "I cordially dislike allegory in all its forms"
Image reading LotR and this is what you come up with.
It's incredible how deluded these people are.
It is incredible that we let these people out of the loony bins. They are insane.
Fact is stranger that fiction
I guarantee I could go to the library, grab any book, hand it to her, and she could apply her theory and her logic to it and come up with the same connections and interpretations. lol as I type this she mentions how people interpret LOTR wrongly.
As a life long Lord of The Rings reader and fan, it physically hurt me to listen to her.
Gotta be honest, Just Some Guy: if you made a series of videos responding to each of these slanderers'/liars' papers, I'd watch every single minute of it. And I'd love every second of it!
The sad part is watching Just Some Guy descent into madness by having to watch that crap
@@MrRilarios That is fair, it was just an idea. I like hearing JSG tearing these arguments apart, so if he was to make it, just saying I'd watch it. I think others would too. But if he thinks it would lead to burnout or just doesn't want to make replies, for any reason, that's his call.
@@daniell1483 oh don't get me wrong .. I too would watch every second of the smackdown
I support that series, let the Tolkien rumble commence.
I would even pay money to see it
She could have just made this a 30 second clip with "I'm totally obsessed with my genitals, and everything I read or watch, I see thru a lense of my mental illness."
Then follow up with a PSA for mental health awareness.
this person sounds like they're on the verge of crying constantly
Enduring this drivel and refuting it surely has to count toward your miracles for sainthood.
You should be able to sue this person for making your ears bleed with this bovine scatology.
This is just a run-of-the-mill undergraduate-level essay from someone who's just read Derrida and knows what close reading is, but doesn't really know how to do it. We could substitute any novel with any sort of character development for LOTR in the template and it would produce the same result.
Thank you . So im not the only one that realize that this whole ...deconstructivism thing is just a bad comprehension of the French and Germans philosophers .
I wonder what would Barthes say if he saw the generations of people believing (and somewhat misinterpreting) his "The Death of the Author" theory. I mean, I kinda get where Barthes was coming from, but this shit became ridiculous....
@@234ne14 I think he would be most surprised, perhaps not unpleasantly, by the fact his ideas have expanded beyond literature into the apparently-unassailable fortresses of arithmetic and biology, and most disappointed that people are using his ideas as an excuse to impose their predetermined meanings on any text, rather than discovering their meanings in it.
@@234ne14 Didn’t Barthes set himself up for misinterpretation with his whole death of the author stuff? Sounds like pouring a glass of water on your head and then being surprised at getting wet.
Please note how she said Whiteness, Straightness, Malesness, Cisgenderness...... yeah. SJWs aren't biased whatsoever...
In a woke person's mind, everything is about fefe and feelings.
Your outro reminded me of an old Yiddish proverb; "If one mand calls you an ass, ignore him. If several call you an ass, find a saddle to wear."
Clearly they don’t understand what a subjective masterpiece is, and only want objective pandering
The funny thing they became a kind of One-Joke-Clown...
Always opressed or "every vision its wrong Except mine"
Interesting most of the ppl Who claim to be victims became the most narcissist kind of idiots.
Her interpretation feels like, the ones where a teacher suddenly asks a kid to interpret a poem and the kid is just winging it, desperately trying to find "hidden meaning" in hopes of sounding knowledgeable.
Except here someone is paying these twits with fellowships, offers of tenure, etc.
@@JM-vp8zc 'Intellectuals' always wash the hands of 'intellectuals'. 'Marxist Postmodernism through the lens of inter-sectional Trans theory' is the new hotness and you're going to see a bunch of grifters coming out of the woodwork who are going to try to sound as though they know what they're talking about. Most of the time it's just going to be a convoluted word salad that's supposed to sound high brow. Really it's just a performative piece where the 'intellectual' says something like 'we have no way of knowing what the author meant so let me tell you about how Lord of the Rings was all about the struggle for Trans rights'.
@@JM-vp8zc Yeah, naive people might think you can achieve good positions with hard work. When in reality, all you have to do, is echo some bs agenda you don't necessarily understand/believe in.
i am new to your videos (watched around 10-15) but this one is the most unpleasant to watch so far (mostly because of the voice of a subject and the way it presents its thoughts). Thanks for the content.
I love this channel for one reason you lay logic down like no other why you're not editing or writing a comic is beyond me
Ahh the old "Rules for thee, but not for me." Why am I not surprised that these crazies would go that route?!
One cant rationalize..crazy.
SJW: Star Wars is all about modern day politics!
SJW: The lord of the rings is all about modern day politics!
SJW: She-Ra is all about modern day politics!
No SJW ever: 1984 is all about modern day politics!
No SJW ever: Animal farm is all about modern day politics!
It is weird how they grasp for straws, but when there is something that is true and reflect themselves negatively they pretend they don't notice.
you know what no animal farm isnt about modern politics
because the animals are pretty honest that there fucking mad
Joker *was not* about modern day politics.
They won't touch it because they can't twist around what Orwell's themes and politics were to suit their narrative. They won't touch him or Ayn Rand or anyone like them. Deep down, they know they're wrong.
@@opticalraven1935
Orwell was a socialist and Rand was a lunatic
i have no words. her cracking voice tells me even SHE doesn't believe what she's saying.
Hot damn not even self insert fanfiction projects this hard