Queen Cleopatra - The Most Hated Show Of All Time?
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- čas přidán 14. 05. 2023
- The verdict is in for Netflix's Queen Cleopatra "documentary", and it's not looking good.
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_“Why do some people need Cleopatra to be white?”_
Because she was. The question should be “Why do _you_ need Cleopatra to be black?”
She was not white lmao. She was mixed race
She wasn't exactly "white" like Hollywood America thinks of "black" and "white" but that's the issue.
Hollywood and the far left ideologues are so racist that they can ONLY see the world in black or white. They literally had a meltdown when an actual Hawaiian actress was cast to play a Hawaiian character in a movie, because her skin was "too light a shade". These people are the actual bigots they accuse everyone else of being. Of course anyone with even half a brain already knows this, but i think the normies are finally starting to wake up to the fact that the woke are the most close minded bigoted fucksticks out there... ironically.
@KnowvilleKnows she came from a weird aristocratic family that intermarried the hell out of each other and, if historical claims are accurate, may have been the first of her family to actually speak Ancient Egyptian along with Greek. She may not have been "white" depending on what you define Greeks as, but she sure as hell wasn't "mixed".
@@Azgalon In the context of Cleopatra she was 100% white. It underminds the entire history of tolemaic egypt. They were colonized by a European power(macedon), if you want to get preachy focus on that. I'd be cool with that woman playing an egyptian female Pharos if it was dated back 2,000 bc. She's blackish, but I sincerely doubt she'd stand out if it her hair was straight in ancient egypt.
@@dixonhill1108 I'm not disagreeing that she was white. I'm replying to the guy above saying she was "mixed" which she absolutely was not. She was Greek which is white in the context of this discussion (but some people differentiate Mediterranean white from Northern European white). The black revisionism of the Mediterranean, be it Ancient Egypt or Carthage, is a joke.
It still blows my mind that they actually put “my grandma said” in a self proclaimed documentary.
This all what it came down in the end, documentary needs to be backed up with real facts, you may want to "spice" the story here and there, but makes all the "majority" and public knowledge right.
If they changed some obscure things like maybe "Cleo have bad habits like biting her nails" maybe most people wouldn't know wheter it's true or not.
But they changed her race which is common, and Even if they think Cleo was "pure" Egyptian, it's not like all of them have Black African skin.
At this point just make new "fantasy" story instead.
"how do you know this?"
"it was revealed to me in a dream"
@@alexandredasilvavilasboasrosas "God spoke to me, he said Cleopatra was non-binary"
That grandma git dementia. Ok lady, it's time for your pills
Whilst its not perfect it tells an important story of an African Queen, how that people with darker skin (non-white) were once some of the most powerful people in the world and how it was from Africa that Europe got its power and wealth.
The funniest thing about this whole thing is is that by just race swapping Cleopatra they unintentionally just said that there were no actual black queens who were worth talking about
Exactly. Plus, if you need to rely on race swapping, you're also saying that you don't think your race can make good characters on their own and need to rely on (insert other race) to make good original characters from them. It's self-racist and hillarious.
They dont wanna talk about african queens, because in true history, african kings and queens would sell their own as slaves. In fact many cultures in the past used to do this, specially in tribal cultures.
They didnt wanna make a documentary against that because its not in their political agenda.
The actual funniest part is Netflix lost the lawsuit that Egypt hit them with and they have to remove this abomination and pay Egypt 2 billion dollars…..it’s fucking hilarious actually.😅
Cleopatra was able to accept her African and Greek heritage. To the Egyptians she was Isis, to the Romans she was Venus. You can be more than one thing
@@David-ox7ps What African heritage?
Saying Cleopatra is black because she was born on the Continent of Africa is like saying that General George Patton is an Apache because he was born in North America.
Its like saying Spanish people and Russians are the same because they are European
Yeah, I mean, did they get their education from Mean Girls or smt?
The Afrikaners are white but they were born in South Africa ha ha ha
or telling elon musk he is black because he is from south african , even if he was real and show billion of us that he is white
I interpreted "Apache" as the Apache Helicopter, and it made this comment even funnier 😂
Jada Pinkett Smith was about as loyal to the historical depiction of Cleopatra as she was to Will Smith.
Ha good one 😂
Lmaooo 🤣🤣🤣
She loves gettin in all sorts of “entanglements”
the comments r epic
I wonder how many more times I'll see this comment copied from the original, higher rated one. My guess is thousands lol, people can't help but copy top comments and farm them upvotes. And they always have the same reply somehow, "I didn't see the top rated comment!"....c'mon son lol
Saying Cleopatra is black is like calling Jada Pinkett Smith a loving wife
Oh, Jada loves a bit too much
The amount of evidence that Cleopatra is black is the same as the amount of hair in Jada's head
She's getting more excited this time of year; soon August will come.
KEEP MY WIFES NAME OUT YOUR EFFING MOUTH!
Or that her husband can take a joke
Making a cleopatra show with everyone being black because Egypt is in Africa is like making a Gandhi show with everyone being Japanese because India is in Asia
Lol, as a South Asian this is funny as hell 😂😂😂. Plus these muricans don't realise that Africa is a continent and not a country and its also the most racially/genetically diverse region on the Planet
@RabiyaRavenclaw now now, let's not group up all Americans as ignorant towards Africa being a continent.
I'm American and that fact is well known to me.
I also know Egypt is a country.
Yay me right?
@@drunktomcruise8224bro you Americans need to do something about your own country politics. How did it go from apartheid and racism to "People need to be sorry that they were born white and straight". The fact that a huge part of your population think going from one extreme to another and call it progressive is crazy.
@@troy2223 America is crashing down quickly! It feels like being on a sinking ship with no lifeboats!
@@RabiyaRavenclawtrust me man a lot of us “muricans” paid attention to school and actual history it’s just an idiotic minority that gets the most media attention spreading this bs and trying to rewrite historical facts in turn making the average American look like a moron.
They actually did something even more hilarious. They talked about Njinga, an African queen that "successfully fought off Portugese colonialism" but doesn't mention the 200,000 captive people she sold into slavery to the same country 😂
Because that's inconvenient and doesn't fit the narrative of "only white people did this"
What's your point
Blacks sold slaves to whites
Blacks who didn't comply with slave trade would be attacked by other black tribes supported by whites in forms of soldiers and weapons
Romans conquered killed and took slaves
Slavery is a stain on human history
Black slavery is one of the most disgusting immoral thing a group of people have ever done,
Calling out blacks for the african part of the slave trade, are you trying to absolve white people by making them not look as bad
Laughing at the african queen because she was involved in slavery, and so accurate to 200000 based on what,
Look at the Spanish to the south Americans, loads can be listed when talking about what white people have done
Oh wow that's pretty bad on her part. Sold people off for money... Meanwhile, the Netflix "docs" wash over the facts about these historical figures. Those shows are pure fiction if they don't even try to make it historically accurate.
Still better than starring someone who was almost certainly not black in a series about black queens.
The North African Barbary pirates were capturing and enslaving white people well into the 1800’s. That’s why the US Marine Corps hymn sings of the “shores of Tripoli”.
White people didn’t even do the slavery thing. Not in the way people see as evil. Slaves were prisoners of war so captives couldn’t form a new army or criminals working off their debt to society. Or in Rome, people could sell themselves into carefully protected slavery for a time to pay off debts.
Slavery the way the world thinks of it and in terms of raiding people to enslave them is an African and Arabian thing. There’s also evidence that white people learned slavery from them.
“We don’t often get to see or hear stories about Black Queens”, & we STILL HAVEN’T. Thanks, Jada
😆 My thought exactly, Michael
I'm sure there is someone else she can steal.
She could have chosen any of these.
Kendakes (Queen) Amanirenas
Kendakes (Queen) Amanishakheto
Kendakes (Queen) Amanitore
Kendakes (Queen) Shanakdakhete
Kendakes (Queen) Nawidemak
Kendakes (Queen) Amanikhatashan
Sarauniya (Queen) Bakwa Turunku
Sarauniya (Queen) Amina
Lingeer (Queen) Ndate Yalla Mbodj
Lingeer (Queen) Njembot Mbodj
Queen Njinga Ngola Kilombo
Queen Idia
Queen Gudit
Queen Yanu
Queen Mary
Queen Agnes
Queen Mathilda
Princess Ewurabena Pokou
Queen Ndate Yalla Mbodj
Queen Mwana Mikisi
Queen Mwana Mwema of Zanzibar
Nanak Asma'u bint Usman Fan Fodio
Princess Hangbe
Empress Eleni
And we never get to hear any such stories when these twats pull their own "history facts" out of their arse. If there's so much real material, then what's with the BS and lies?
@@admirekashiri9879 Wdym...Thats like having to actually work for our money. Better to just do this and call everyone a racist instead!
My grandmother always used to tell me: “No matter what they tell you at school, Ludwig Van Beethoven was a black Trans single mom”
I was told he was black?
He had dark colour indeed. No joke, do research... he was mixed
Beethoven is a sort of single parent
Don’t you mean you grandbirthingperson? „Mother“ is an offensive term! 😂
Anyone else you want to add seems everyone should conform to you. No one allowed to be different.
When a whole country sues you for misrepresenting their history you should really have a long hard look at yourself.
Except none of them will. They'll go on thinking theyre always right
I hate the double standard. One group can culturally appropriate everyone else and then gatekeep their own. 😬
It's Ironic how Hollywood is airbrushing historical figures to make them black while until recently they had been white washing almost everything Asian character in films and tv shows White. Avatar the Last Airbender where all the main characters were Asian but cast as white people. Ghost in a Shell where Major Motoko Kusanagi is a Japanese police Major recast by white actress, Scarlett Johansson.
It’s called the great replacement.
Sie werden uns nicht ersetzen. Blut und boden
Apparently, calling out historical inaccuracies is racist now? When everything is “racist”, nothing is. Sadly, all the power behind the word is quickly losing its meaning due to so much crying wolf.
@@JustDatBoi by labeling all white men racist, they’ve inadvertently created more of them, like me. Technically,
I’m “prejudice,” but because they would call that raysism’ I claim the label without care.
I love how one of their pieces of evidence for cleopatra being black is literally “My grandma said so”
It’s just a step up from “trust me bro” 💀💀
💯 😂🤣😂🤣
I think *Drunk History* uses this as a premise too.
Maybe her grandma is 2103 years old and personally knew cleopatra who knows
There's an entire subculture of black Americans who not only think Cleopatra was black but that ancient Egypt was a "black African" civilization. All the depictions showing otherwise are fakes done by white supremacists for some nefarious purpose.
Egyptologist Sally-Ann Ashton who worked as a consultant for Netflix stated, “Cleopatra ruled in Egypt long before the Arab settlement in North Africa,” Ashton said in a statement. “If the maternal side of her family were indigenous women, they would’ve been African, and this should be reflected in contemporary representations of Cleopatra.”
Cleopatra was Irish! Her name was actually Clea O’Patra. Why not? My grandma told me!
Genius
This is too good!! 🤣🤣🤣
Nope. She was Russian. And her name was Cleya Patrovna.
No, she was French. Her real name was Clé au Pâtre. My grandma told me so.
Nah, she was actually a guy named Claus O'Peter. It was revealed to me in a dream
"Cleopatra was first and foremost a scholar. She was a scientist and a linguist. These things mattered to her as much, if not more, than politics."
Yeah, remember how she murdered her own sister as a science experiment?
No wait, she did that for political power, dammit.
she wasnt any of that shit. theyre just making up whatever they feel like
To be fair, her (half) sister was also unrelentingly hostile to her and was an acute threat to not only her power, but her life. So it's only fair.
But yeah, saying that Cleeopatra cares more about science and linguistics than, say, preserving Ptolemaic Egypt is nuts.
Or remember the time she totally married her underage brother to secure her claim to rule? That was cute.
To be fair, though, she did establish a huge perfumery and was a master of languages. She probably had a head on her shoulders, even if she was power-hungry.
I live in Egypt and I remember all the hate from this movie. The President even almost went as far as to ban Netflix in the country.
That's not true the president didn't speak about this why are you lying
President 😅 more like dictator
My grandmother told me, "no matter what Hollywood tells you, rewriting history to fit your narrative is bigotry".
Her grandmother: Why the fuck so many people are cursing me after I'm dead?! What did I do?
😂😂😂 Tbh, I feel a little sorry for her grandmother. There's always a clip of that statement in most coverages of this movie.
Historian always rewrite history to fit a narrative. You might be right that they may be bigots.
@@mighty-roman I don't. She set that "historian" to become a failure. Without that dead hag, this catastrophe wouldn't have been made.
@@junodonatus4906 I mean maybe she just didn't know. It's not impossible to think that at that place and time her grandmother was under the impression that you shouldn't trust public education. Obviously she was dead wrong in the end but I don't interpret it as maliciousness.
@@junodonatus4906 you should. She probably had no clear idea. But her granddaughter is literally African heritagr historian so she should knew better to be credible
"Velma is so awful it managed to bring everyone together."
Jada Pinkett: Hold my new boyfriend.
Jada's sons friend: Hold my integrity, and hers.
I laughed way to hard at your comment 😂😂😂
I think you mean, "Burp her new boyfriend."
Jada even made governmnets come together with the internet community.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA LOVE IT! 👌
Aren't these the same people who complain about cultural appropriation?
Hell, as a Greek I say we should have joined in with the lawsuit
You mean Greek Macedonians at the time weren’t black?!! I never knew 😱
In all seriousness. When I heard about a lawsuit I thought it was Greece at first lol
@@lobehold2263 in a hilariously bad attempt at being diverse they managed to offend an entire african country... that's kind of the opposite of what they were trying to do
@@siegebreaker4120 no kidding, they dropped the ball big time. Especially because the Ptolemys practiced inbreeding a lot. That or they married into other diadochi families. So there blood didn’t dilute much from their origin
I remember my grandmother saying to me “I don’t care what they tell you in school, pee comes from the balls.”
My Grandma told me "I don't care what they tell you at school, but they did definitely land on the moon".
That made me laugh so much, hahaha. 😂
@@philholdsworth8280 if your school denies the moon landing I wouldn't trust anything they teach too
@@philholdsworth8280 still hard to believe people still believe that 👀.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Gotta love Grandma.💪👍🥃
The sheer level of projection with their "why is her skin color so important to you" had me floored. If her skin color didn't matter, then why are they changing it?
Whose changing it?? Have you seen a photo of Cleopatra which by the way isn't her original name, have you seen her remains?? So how do you what she looks like??
@@B_tez We know she wasn't black African from contemporary depictions. It's not just that they show her with light skin and hair that a black woman wouldn't have - the strongest evidence is her facial structure which is nothing like those of black Africans.
@@B_tez You deserve an award for the level of intelligence demonstrated by that comment.
They accuse others of that they do themselves. With literally everything.
The irony is in this situation is the fact she was a European/Macedonian who was literally a colonizer of an African nation. This is how you know the woketards are just stupid. You can cover all the bases of wokism.
I like how their argument that “every african must look sub saharan” is unironically racist
Ironically, if they didn't put so much emphasis in her skin colour, most people wouldn't care
They made a show more hated than Velma that also managed to piss off an entire country and unite large sections of the internet against them.
I don't know what to say.
Two countries. Both Egyptians and Greeks are mad lol
What to say? "Velma was obviously made by amateurs!"
Idk, it takes true masters to unite so many together. Like its impressive, for all the wrong reasons but impressive nonetheless
Well... they are actually accomplishing something? hooray :)
LOL
These ‘creators’ are so indoctrinated by their whole worldview that they, I think, really believe that any insistence on historical fact is ‘systemic racism’. These people are racist. They only see race. Not substance. Not truth. Not historical accuracy. Just racism. Everything is racism. And it all points to their own intrinsic value as higher and better than all others because of their supposed victimized status. Nevermind they’re adulterating elites who live in a bubble of class and wealth. Everyone has to affirm their ‘blackness’. It’s all so off-putting and would be laughable if it wasn’t straight up dystopian. Anyway. That’s all I’ve got for today.
Imagine trying to tell a whole nation that their heritage is wrong and then criticising them when they rightly call you out for it. These show runners honestly never cease to amaze me.
Dissing a whole nation is the next level of stupidity
Wow... Netflix has always been greedy, immoral liars. However, I was truly surprised when they screwed-up so badly that they offend an actual entire country! How much worse can Netflix ruin their own brand?
Bunch of arse-end gollywogs. Just like the jerkwaters that cockedup the story of Galadriel. I suffered through three episodes of that mess, and just about threw my sledgehammer through me telly.
Unbelievable, and you can also clearly see that they're not even basing their controversial statement on any credible ground at all, their only comeback is "well, Egipt is in Africa right? So egiptians ARE africans, therefore black!".
As if every single group of people is Africa looks like another, for a team that claims to fight racism, I really wouldn't have expected them to go "ah yes they're all the same, they're africans so they are black and speak with a thick accent".
Looks to me like they have never even spoke with an actual Egiptian, otherwise they'd know how they look like.
That’s how I felt as an Englishman when they blackwashed Anne Boleyn, the fact that they knew she was white but still thought it would be a good idea to make her black anyway
So glad this exists. I saw the first part of this series and really wanted to learn more about Cleopatra, then just felt my mind explode as they started quoting geriatric relatives as evidence. It was awful, terrible, insulting and they deserved that law suit
I recently saw some making of footage of The Meg of all things. It talked about how scientific reasoning that went into the visual display of the shark and its underwater environment. A lot of effort went into making it all look as accurate as possible, even though it was for a prehistoric species in a fictional setting in what's basically a high-budget b-movie.
And yet a documentary about a real historical figure tries to support its "historical" depiction with "I imagine her looking like me.." and "I don't care what they tell you in school..."
Imagine offending an entire nation and their culture and having the nerve to get pissed off about it...
attempting to erase a cultural identity and then calling others racist for finding fault with it is a hell of a venture
Tbf the people living in modern Egypt don't have anything to do with that culture.
Would be the same as saying that latin Americans are the heirs of Aztec culture
How isn't cultural misrepresentation?
@@Ind3xPlus so you basically said that people today have nothing to do with slavery, yet black people want compensation from current year white people. Fucking dope XD
Actually, the director claimed she was fine with that. The audacity. Lol
Jada’s definition of history is right up there with her definition of marriage.
Spot on!! Wish I could like this comment more than once
@@DeReAntiqua he should be more worried about what’s going in her mouth
Brilliant
This is top-tier savagery and I love it!
Yeah like how she calls cheating “entanglements” 😂
My grandmother, a lovely women of 5’3” with an amazing voice and clear blue eyes told me that she was closely related to Prince Phillip. She wasn’t, she was just a bit confused. Bless her 🥰
Honestly the main issue was the the were saying that it was a documentary. Like Hell no it’s not! A documentary is meant to share the facts not a fantasy created by a lady who cheated on her husband.
This documentary had a strong relationship with cutting edge scientific methods of "I feel like" and "my grandma said"
It's the leftist kind of science. Very objective 😆
maybe put documentary between quotes " ?
Yes and it's a very sad thing that our (at least Western) mankind just looks like going down that slope to the end of what exactly : magical thought at every corner of life ?
“My uneducated grandmother who didn’t finish high school and was a maid to a White family which made her racist against White people said Cleopatra was black so it must be true!”
"My uncle works at Nintendo."
Netflix: “Cleopatra was Black…”.
Egypt: “No she wasn’t…”.
Netflix: “Why do you care about race so much Egypt?”.
The statement Netflix, "Cleopatra was Black," and the response from Egypt, "No, she wasn't," indicate a difference in perspectives and ideologies regarding Cleopatra's racial background. Let's expand on this topic.
The assertion that "Cleopatra was Black" refers to the belief that Cleopatra, the famous queen of ancient Egypt, had African ancestry and should be considered a person of African descent. This viewpoint is often supported by proponents who argue that Cleopatra hailed from a region with a diverse population, including Greek, Egyptian, and African people, and that her family, the Ptolemies, had a history of intermarriage with Africans.
Advocates of this perspective may emphasize Cleopatra's interactions with African rulers and her connections to Egypt's southern regions, which had closer cultural and ethnic ties to Sub-Saharan Africa. They might also point to ancient artistic representations of Cleopatra that feature her with features associated with African heritage, such as a broad nose or dark complexion.
On the other hand, the response from Egypt, stating, "No, she wasn't," reflects an opposing viewpoint. This perspective holds that Cleopatra, as a member of the Ptolemaic dynasty, was primarily of Greek descent and should be considered ethnically Greek or Caucasian. It argues that while Egypt had contact and trade with various regions, including Africa, Cleopatra herself did not have a significant African heritage.
Proponents of this viewpoint may focus on the historical context of the Ptolemaic dynasty, which originated from Macedonian Greece and ruled over Egypt for several centuries. They might also highlight Cleopatra's lineage, tracing her ancestry back to Ptolemy I Soter, a Greek general under Alexander the Great.
It's important to note that the debate surrounding Cleopatra's ethnicity and racial background is not a recent phenomenon. Historians and scholars have engaged in discussions on this topic for many years, considering various primary sources, archaeological evidence, and cultural contexts.
Ultimately, the question of Cleopatra's racial identity remains complex and multifaceted. The lack of definitive historical evidence regarding her physical appearance and the diverse influences within ancient Egypt make it challenging to reach a consensus. The contrasting ideologies surrounding Cleopatra's race reflect the ongoing discourse in historical and cultural studies, where interpretations and perspectives can differ based on individual perspectives, biases, and available evidence.
@@2012nightwatcher How long did it take you to type that nothingburger?
Netflix: "When you care about race so much in favor of black it's woke, but when you care about race so much in anything else including truth and historical facts: it's racist. 😂"
@@2012nightwatcherchatgpt?
@@2012nightwatcher dunning kruger detected
Trying to rewrite history in your own image should be a crime
You said examples of historical Queens in Subsaharan Africa are thin on the ground, although there might be more obscure ones. The Kushites had a term Kandake for Queens who ruled in their own right, and there were quite a few. One of them, Amanirenas (a contemporary of Cleopatra), defeated an invading Roman Army in a four-year war, then tried and failed to retake Roman Egypt for Kush. Finally, signed a peace treaty with Rome that lasted a couple of hundred years. There have been others in Ethiopia (Makeda's, most likely the Queen of Sheeba in the bible), Ashanti, Zulu, etc. If you wanted an Egyptian, you could have had Hatshepsut as well, although, like Cleopatra, the Egyptians were ethnically closer to the Mediterranean than sub-Saharan Africa. Her mortuary is by far the biggest monument in the Valley of the Kings. The big problem is that these films (or docs) are about affirmation for an American audience of what they want to hear and not telling real African stories and history, which would make far more compelling films.
Thanks for sharing this info! I would be really interested in authentic (sub-saharan) African material. Maybe not so much documentaries, not my cup of tea, but definitely traditional African fairytales, and original African fantasy. Wish Amazon, instead of sprinkling black actors into The Rings of Power, had comissioned an original fantasy series based on African mythologies. But no, too much work, let's just appropriate and distort Tolkien's legacy...
I'm a white Australian and seeing Cleopatra has inspired me to make a documentary on Malcom X starring Chris Pratt
All I remember from that Malcolm X movie is Denzel washington getting shot about 10000 in his death scene. As a kid I was shocked by how many bullets he took like it was a bb gun.
Nah, need a documentary about Adolf Hitler starring Samuel L Jackson
@@nont18411 🤣🤣🤣, god damn it, its way too funny imagining Jackson with the hitler stash and speaking in german
Malcolm x directed by and starring Mel Gibson
@@rudesword2852 once again, brilliant casting!
My wife started to watch this show the other night while I was cooking dinner. About five minutes in I heard a speaker say, “Despite what they told you in school, Cleopatra was Black!” and I just started laughing hysterically.
And thank you Drinker, after I finished laughing I said, “Oh yes, I definitely smell shite!”
It's even funnier when you discover that this claim was made by a random grandma
2 words: CANCEL NETFLIX
My gran gran had some good stories as well.
Dam why did your wife want to watch this trash.
@@strange-universe Don't forget the actual descriptions of Jesus as a caucasian or the actual descriptions of people like David and Joseph in the Bible as redheads.
I love the fact that compared to this "documentary" the Asterix and Obelix Mission Cleopatra is more accurate, even to the point where Cleopatra says "I will defend my people" and Caesar reply with "What do you mean your people? You are Greek, arent you?" :D :D :D
Cleopatra is literally a Greek woman, these guys literally are the definiton of "Trust me Bro"
@@AliciaJade.Booo wheres the potato recipie?
“We have Cleopatra at home”
Didn't realize documentaries could be pure fiction now. All while claiming to still be true.
Well yes she was with Macedonian ancestors and Egyptian, both
We Wuz Kangz 'n Sheeeeit
My Grandfather's best friend's friend said that "No matter what anyone say to you, Alexander the Great was a Sri Lankan". Someone make a documentary now.
I guess they figured they didn't have any strong and interesting black Queens in history to talk about, so they literally just pretended Cleopatra was black. 😆
well they were some...but all are virtually unknown to most people (apart from name "Cleopatra") and way too insignificant from a global history point of view...that´s why they went this way I guess
The fact that we got Cleopatra, Velma, and She-Hulk all within less than a year is absolutely incredible
And Black Ariel?
@@user-eb3on1sq1s Changing her appearance is not even nearly the worst thing that movie has done.
@@sofija642 for me it was the worst thing and im black. Black Ariel is NOT ariel to me.
Cleopatra was also speculated to be one of George RR Martin's inspirations behind Daenerys Targaryen.
@@user-eb3on1sq1s black Ariel not that bad, but what they did with the rest of the characters? Jail time
The damage done to Western societies by the phrases "You can be anything you want to be" and "my own truth" is immeasurable.
Agreed. "My truth" is usually just "my opinion" or maybe "my experiences." It certainly isn't "the truth."
Don't you people constantly rewrite and lie in history? Rhetorical question by the way I understand that needs to be specified.
The most evil thing these people are doing is trying to rewrite reality through the news and pop culture. They want everything to bend to their ideas and it's the biggest assault on truth possible. I refuse to give a cent to any of those woke corporations I hope they all crash and burn.
@@Kai...999, people who try to shape history to fit their ideology often lie, whether they realize it or not. The primary agenda in pursuing history should be to discover truth, not shape it. Ideology blinds.
@@Kai...999no, I've never re written history. Never even wrote about anything historic.
As an African person (I'm Tunisian) I will explain the diversity of skin tones in the continent.
The indigenous people in northern Africa aren't black. The reason behind that is simply the weather in north Africa is very different than that of middle and south Africa.
North Africa is formed of Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, Algeria and Morocco. These countries are a part of the Mediterranean basin, so the weather isn't as dry and sunny as in middle and southern Africa. Because of that the body of someone from Egypt for example wouldn't produce as much melanin as someone from Ghana, simply because there isn't that much sun to protect oneself from in the first place (For those who don't know the human body produces melanin to protect itself from the sun UV rays).
Also, you can find a lot of ethnicities across all the countries of Africa because of the various civilizations that have been there.
In Tunisia for example you can find people that are originally from Lebanon (Phoenician civilization), from Italy (Roman colonization), from the Middle East (Muslim conquests), from Spain (Andalus civilization), from Turkey (Othman colonization) and from France (French colonization). I gave the example of Tunisia since it's where I'm from, but this principle applies all over Africa.
So for a film producing team to have the audacity to not only make a documentary with an awful lot of historical inaccuracies, but to also try to falsify correct critiques by professionals in Egyptian history with saying that Egyptian aren't proud to be African is straight disrespectful not only towards Egypt but towards Africa as a whole.
Africa is a diverse and rich continent, and this diversity is what makes it beautiful. Thus it should never be put in a mold (especially by an American company).
I apologize for the long comment as well as for any English mistakes. This language isn't my mother tongue.
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You did fine, it was a good, well thought out and well written comment!
Great comment. Particularly the last part - this film is one of many examples of American studios taking the messed up race relations in their country and assuming this paradigm applies to every other country too
What really pisses me off is that they could just have made a documentary about Queen Nzinga, an utterly fascinating and real historical figure. Instead, we get this piece of self-insert fanfiction masquerading as a documentary.
FINALLY, an actual, REAL example of *cultural appropriation* that I have heard so much about! And it gets the appropriate amount of hate!
I do wonder just how close this one has brought Netflix to actually being dragged into a court somewhere in the world on hate crime charges
It's weird because there are Nubian and Kushite Pharos of Egypt that they could have told the story about in actual Egyptian history
But NOOOOOOOOOO they won't even tell their own story of Africa and it's people they need to tell the story of already existing and established stories with now a darker complexion because "muh feelings"
Good point. A very fitting example. Now if it had done well, without blatant criticism, then it would also have been a fine example of hypocrisy.
As a balcanic guy I can agree with making Cleopatra back because pf how racist we are twards greeks being black.
The radical left is used to getting away with it, but a lot of people are getting tired of their never ending lies.
Saying cleopatra is black is like saying Gandhi was Japanese since he was an Asian
2 words: CANCEL NETFLIX (they are part of matrix)
but my granny told me he was!
This "is like" shit is outta control.
Don't u dare u give this idea to Netflix
@@grizzlo7300 that’s just dumb to whine about .. about as pointless as my comment
Netflix is going to lose big time on this lawsuit. If they try to fight it, they'll spend millions on lawyers and the court will still rule on behalf of the Egyptian litigants. If they try to settle, that move will be construed as an admission of guilt. I hope Jada was named as a defendant in the lawsuit. She's the one who truly needs to be held accountable.
I showed this to my sister and she was like, "wasn't Cleopatra beautiful?"
@@wheatyes2104 did you hear it from your grandma as well?
@@peeyushverma2284 nah, I think it was from "extra history" but I could be wrong. I'll delete the comment if I am wrong
@@wheatyes2104 i wrote that reply in zest. Anyways, extra history came to that conclusion after looking at her face in the coins..but the faces (of her and the husband) in those coins were butt ugly tbh. The faces were probably romanized to cater public, as they usually are..hence, the prominent nose and chin, along with other characteristics associated with it. The truth is, we don't actually know how she would look like as we don't have her skeleton to look at. Most paintings and statues are artist's imagination than the real deal.
@@peeyushverma2284 That's fair. I guess the same with Queen Elizabeth 1, since we don't know if she was romantized either. It's nice to talk to a rational person
Damn, your sister is a savage.
"I remember my grandmother telling me 'I don't care what they tell you in school - *THE MOON IS MADE OF CHEESE* '" This is about the level these clowns operate on.
Hoo boy. If we’re gonna open that whole “my grandma/grandpa told me _________________” can of worms, as a basis for ultimate truth, it could get interesting.
Cheese or not, the moon is flat...
It is the same old argument, is it the small medulla oblongotta or too many teeth not enough toothbrush?
And sadly this is the same logic lots of people apply towards science. Who cares that there's overwhelming scientific evidence and experience about the importance of vaccines, the shape of the planet or the origin of mankind, if it doesn't meet their mental image of reality it's automatically thrown out the window
Maybe it was Cleopatra Jones?
Amazon: I can ruin a classic trilogy (LOTR)
Disney: that's nothing, I can ruin a cinematic universe (MCU)
Netflix: hold my bud-light. I will ruin history.
You forgot to mention the abominable Star Wars movies that Disney put out.
@@cathoderay305 What Star Wars movies? There haven't been any since Revenge of the Sith
@@cathoderay305rouge one was the only great one, solo was okay but the sequels were no
@@Ihavethetouch I don't recall any movie called Revenge of the Sith... I do remember Return of the Jedi, which was originally called "Revenge" of the Jedi. There have been a few cool video games though, some even cover the clone wars!
You should write: Disney: Thats nothing I cant make Star Wars irrelevant
“I don’t care what history says, Cleopatra was black”. Is quite accurate. One of my students actually said the same about Wakanda 🤨
But my friends friend's cousin's grandpa said both Wakanda and MLK Jr were white!
These writers should strike for more money, they are so good at what they do
As a Greek-Egyptian man, I went my entire life not knowing I was black. I thank the Queen Cleopatra show for revealing to me my true black heritage ❤
Jada really handing out N cards here
You are not black! You are African American!
Well, go and loot yourself some Nikes and a big screen TV. It's your culture.
@@Winston.S.Churchill is coptic even a culture ? i was sure it was a religion :D
Do you feel oppressed now?
I'm Egyptian and I am so glad the entire internet gave those clowns the reality check they desperately needed.
EDIT: Just wanna add something for the clowns who claim us modern Egyptians are occupiers that have nothing to do with ancient Egyptians.
Modern Egyptians are only 17% Arab according to their DNA, with the rest of modern Egyptians' genetic makeup being 68% North African, 4% Jewish, 3% East African, 3% from Asia Minor and another 3% South European. Based on DNA sequencing of Ancient Egyptian mummies.
Source: National Geographic Genographic Project
Another thing to know is we do have a black minority called the Nubians residing in southern Egypt. Egyptians have a huge variety of skin colors. We're not exclusively white or black.
They managed to unite the Egyptians into defending the friggin' Ptolemies. The Ptolemies! The quintessential foreign dynasty occupying and exploiting one of the most important Empires of our civilization down the decadence drain until it became a mere Roman Imperial Province. That's some incredible accomplishment from Netflix.
@@nm7358 they're not defending the potlemies tho it's more of defending their ancient history as a whole
@@nm7358 Unlike the Arab Muslims occupying Egypt to this day?
I would be ok if they claim mao, polpot, hitlers as black tho 😂😂 they can change that hisotry
The reality check went over their head trust me
There was literally a Nubian (Now Ethiopia) Queen (She was technically a queen regent, her son the king died) who invaded Roman Egypt, as in led the campaign in person. Apparently caused a real ruckus. Stole the head from a statue of Augustus Ceasar, and built the steps to a temple in their capitol over it, so everyone going to the temple walked over the face of the current Emperor of Rome. Really pissed the guy off.
1x Interesting black African warrior queen delivered as requested.
"My grandmother said, 'I don't care what they tell you in school, Cleopatra was black".. Kinda scary to be honest. There's a subset of blacks that are really attached to this idea where they were Egyptians and the fact that this high budget production tried to rewrite history in this context, shows how toxic, self serving ideas can have large scale negative affects.
So tired of seeing slimy moves like this to rewrite history in favor of blacks... It just comes across as desperate and pathetic. It should always be called out and criticized, so thanks to TDC for making this video.
Imagine casting an Asian actor for princess Anastasia because Russia is mostly located in Asia.
My wife is European Russian and I tell her she's Asian because of that very fact. For some reason she gets offended by that😆
Imagine allowing the ones who's been exiled from over 100 countries embed themselves in governments throughout the entire world to destroy Jesus Christ creation.
We are the Scythians! We are the slit-eyed Asians! -
Although Blok was also wrong. 😊
@@fairfortune67 key word European Russian you are literally calling her something she isnt most of russias population is in Europe and the rest was conquered during the 16th and 17th century
It's not exactly that bad of an argument since technically speaking, Russians are indeed "Asians" to an extent.
And "Asian" is a very broad term since it means anyone from Asia.
What you need to say is either "EAST ASIAN" or anyone from the 6 major chink eyed-eyed i.e. China, Taiwan, North & South Korea, Japan and Mongolia.
And why settle for an "Asian actor".
Why not cast Kim Jong Un as Anastasia?
It's more inclusive and ticks the best boxes especially if Kim identifies as a lesbian attack helicopter.
And anyone who's against it is a racist, misogynist and a bigot.
I remember my granddad telling me, "I don't care what they tell you in school, Genghis Khan was John Wayne."
The Caucasus mountains are in Asia. So in fact Genghis Kahn was white.
now I know why I have never heard of or seen this genhis kahn movie, it must be hilarious. It might be worth it to watch just to laugh at the duke playing kahn. Back then, they would portray an obviously jewish guy from new york as a native american, just put some makeup on him, it will be fine
@@italianknight78 Genghis came from Mongolia, idiot. He wasn't a Hun like Atilla.
Happy thanksgiving pilgrims
My grandma told me, "Attila the Hun, Caligula, Ivan the terrible, and Vlad the Impaler were all black women. All of them were Jada Pinkett Smith's self inserts."
"Who cares about history of Egypt, it matters that this movie fits my ideology"
Guys, guys, hear me out:
Morgan Freeman as Cleopatra.
I do like me some Morgan Freeman. And just imagine that inner monologue: "Get busy queening or get busy dying."
My grandmother always used to tell me, "No matter what Netflix shows you.... not all African queens are black".
It was a weird thing to say considering Netflix didn't even exist back then, but hey. I can rewrite history too
Reimagine*
Maybe she was during the time of blockbuster
This black Cleopatra is pure racism in the name of anti-racism. American's stereotypical depiction of other people's race and culture has to stop.
Cleopatra is black because that woman's grandmother was an idiot. That is the actual goddamn reasoning behind the racebait.
My grandmother always used to tell me that no matter what they teach me in school, owning slaves is a good thing.
I’m surprised that she didn’t make Cleopatra have an open marriage just like she did
And bald
An "entanglement"
The Drinker lies!
Clearly there was a black Queen Cleopatra!
Cleopatra Jones ruler of Harlem!
@@scottslotterbeck3796that would get Jada mad
@@zdvxr And maybe make Will slap someone😂😊
This was just a bunch of people having read a history textbook and decided: let’s make it into a fan fiction instead.
am still glad our generation has a brain and doesn't fall into these very open lies pushed by the media. As for the subtles ones, i fear for them
"Why do some people need Cleopatra to be white?"
So close. SO CLOSE to self-awareness. Just ask yourself that question, but ask why YOU, Jada, need her to be black when she wasn't?
There's a definitive reason ironically, she was literally a european ruling an african nation. They just white washed Greco Roman history, we probably should be thanking them. It's so ironic that a great example of europeans literally enslaving africans get's turned on its head.
The part that gets me, tbh, is how the showrunner lady says something to the effect of "We don't know that she was black for sure, but we for sure know she wasn't white like Elizabeth Taylor"
It's just... the logic literally doesn't work. The only way to know for sure she wasn't white is if you for sure know what she is. If you don't for sure know she was black, how can you for sure know that she wasn't white? Like... you get what I mean, right?
That's an excellent question. Nefertiti is the one associated with the Black power movement and Black Feminism. Cleopatra was seen as too white.
@@deleteman900 We don' t know what Cleopatra looks like thanks to Cleopatra. She would change her appearance based on her circumstance. She actually dressed like a Roman Matron when she was in Rome. She looks more "Greek" in Sculptures and coins because she probably ordered the artist to do so.
The weird undertones of the whole black civilization thing sounds eerily similar to the Ayran myths of the Nazis. Afrocentrism have created this mythology where all the ancient was black including Greece stretching all the way to Japan as though there were some kind of homogeneous connection to it all and something to be proud of while indignant it was stolen and hidden from them - again similar to the Ayran myths. Funny thing is this black identity means little in Africa North or sub-saharan. It's primarily an American thing
That moment when you realize that Yu-Gi-Oh was more respectful to Egypt than this “documentary”
Cleopatra plays red eyed black american deck.
Oh, no I’ve played the Blue Eyes White Privilege Dragon. ;D
Lol nice one
HAHAHA awesome comment!
Haha this wins the internet
I remember my grandmother telling me " I don't care what they told you in school, George Washington was actually a black lesbian single woman named Georgina."
My grandmother told be that Martin Luther King was Japanese.
I love how the producers didn’t even realize Cleopatra wasn’t black, she was a Ptolemy, who were greek, she wasn’t an African she was a Greek. They would have known this if they had bothered to do 15 minutes of research
but Gramma said...
I don't think they were really that interested in historical accuracy. This movie is essentially 'We Wuz Kangs The Movie 2: We Wuz Kwangs'
Grandma said don't believe what they say ,she was black
B-but we wuz quangs n shit..
hello? THEY KNOW. Everybody with half a brain knows Cleopatra was white (Greek). They purposely ignored it because they are trying to change history, wanting to make it less white.
We live in an era where the biggest media corporations keep breaking records of the most awful stuff produceable
And it is weird. They seem to be actively trying to ruin themselves. "Hey let's make an entertaining, historically accurate TV show" "nah"
Well said!
It sounds like the razzie awards and razzie oscars needs their own show, that’ll be amazing
That's cause Netflix has money .
@@bewmdogg It isn't about the money, it is about indoctrination. They will always be funded by the people whose agenda they push.
About the true story of the female warriors in "The Woman King".
When they clashed with the French army, it was not the regular French army, it was the French Foreign Legion.
So they had no chance of winning (behind the guns there were dudes with knives and big mustaches waiting for them, smiling xD)
"I remember my grandmother saying to me; 'I don't care what they tell you in school: Cleopatra was Black.'"
And I remember _my_ grandmother saying to me: "Look!! Jesus is on my grilled cheese sandwich!!"
“I have asked Egyptians to see themselves as Africans” is a really funny way of saying “I’m trying to tell people how they should view themselves so it aligns with my worldview”
The most insane angle here is the idea that a western filmmaker of Iranian heritage believes that casting a mixed-race British woman in the role of a Greek-Egyptian queen is a pathway to teaching modern Egyptian people about their own identity, and that she is somehow responsible for teaching this lesson while ignoring the protests of actual Egyptian scholars. The absolute narcissism and entitlement in that statement is shocking.
And she clearly thinks all Africans are black! She wants them to see them selves as black, but she says African because she thinks they are the same thing.
Modern Egyptians are Arab oriented😂lmao
Fun Fact: South Africans, many of whom are white, are African. Elon Musk is African. Oh, it's true.
So people from Greece are also Africans now I guess. Jezus that woman is clueless.
“People weren’t mad when ‘The Mummy’ depicted mummies inaccurately” is perhaps the funniest argument I’ve seen for this show
They legit thought a Universal Monster Movie reboot was the same as a Docudrama series 💀
The Mummy never said it's a documentary. Plus, egyptian actually loved how they portrayed 1920s Cairo and it looks quite accurate
A fictional movie is not the same as a documentary.
And the irony is that Arnold Vosloo, albeit being South African, I felt had a very convincing Egyptian look to him.
This is just a disgrace.
Yeah they obviously didn’t want people to believe that mummies can come back from the dead and absorb the souls of people or that scarabs can eat people from the inside out lmao.
I am an Italian engineer and I am quite offended by the fact that they portraied ancient romans as barbarians. Wtf. They wrote half of my university books
and their architecture wasn't matched for centuries afterwards.
Imagine if someone wanted to make a movie documentary where Abraham Lincoln was Asian, just bc they felt like he was
Queen Cleopatra is as faithful to history as Jada is to Will.
rates at the 'purged with holy fire' level of burn :)
Hail davidpaz
Hail davidpaz
BURRRRRNNNN!!!
Someone did ur comment earlier, and written better.
This is on par with "did iiiiii doooo that" 5 years after family matters
Heyy!! Will Smith is a cuckold by choice...accept the lifestyle people.😅
This is a win for logic and education. Imagine that we're living in a world where Jada Smith, who barely knows the location of the US, let alone Egypt, is trying to question the arguments of the Egyptian experts, including the Egyptian guy who literally led the search for the tomb of Cleopatra. And the fact that the whole cast of this "documentary" didn't include a single Egyptian historian is unbleavble. That's like a Chinese movie company making a documentary about George Washington and all the experts in the documentary being Chinese.
Jada had just enough savvy to realize that hiring real Egyptians would have killed her show before it began.
That would also be like India trying to portray Mikiel Gorbachav as an Indian guy
"George Washington was actually a communist"
and all these "experts" are marxist professors, so your analogy would be correct.
She's an actress trying to act like a big brain. Kind of like most activists come to think of it.
She should stick to mediocre acting and cucking her husband.
"Remember kids, no matter whay they tell you in school, Cleopatra was a 17ft male transformer"...
The backlash the Velma, Santa Inc. and Cleopatra are getting is reassuring because it tells me I'm not the only person who values good storytelling over political pandering.
Funny thing is that this isn't the first time someone attempted to make a Greek person into a black person. The difference being that it now managed to piss off two cultures, rather than one.
I remember some years ago that someone published a book which claimed ancient Greece consisted of black people. Very funny, considering that the ancient Greeks named Ethiopia Ethiopia, which literally means "land of the *burnt* looking people" (pretty weird that supposedly black people would think other black people are burnt humans, no?). Even funnier when you remember that the other people that were saying, again and again, that we do not own our culture/are not the same people as ancient Greeks are the Nazis, a group that those activists are, supposedly, the exact opposite of.
Goes to show that these kinds of people don't believe in equality (or really anything), they just want to be the ones to be on top.
Jada Pinket Smith, fighting racism with more racism. Fantastic.
how's it racist if shes half white half black? Do we ignore the half white side just because she has colour to her skin? Her mum must be disgusted by all the undercover racists
Exactly what most of them do, people getting tired of the black washing
@@jacobhernandez3636 Can you explain how someone half white and half black is black?
@@KK-bc8gt are you referring to Adele James? Because pretty much black bro and everyone refers her as black so wym?
@@KK-bc8gt like are you saying she’s white?😂
It gets better. The actress who played Cleopatra said that Egyptians are racist and don't know their own history if they don't believe ancient Egyptians were black. I've also seen defenders of the show say the same thing and I'll bet you anything those people aren't Egyptian.
Can you imagine being an Egyptian and having someone from another race claim they know your own history better than you do?
Egotistical doesn't even BEGIN to describe it!
Just wait till they claim ancient mesopotamia was black lmao
Actresses should not go off script. They're undereducated and overpaid.
Imagine telling "you don't know your history" to one of the countries that SHAPED history
I might as well start telling Japanese people i know their history better than they do.
Oh yeah Nobunaga was actually black, my mom said so!
@@norwegianboyee fun fact, you can *actually* make a historically accurate story of a black samurai. His name was Yasuke
My grandma use to tell me Santa was real, guess I better start putting them cookies out again.
I remember my Grandma saying to me "I don't care what they tell you on youtube, Cleopatra was a good movie".
the idea about Africans Americans telling me about my own history that they obviously have nothing to do with never ceases to amaze me
That's just what americans do in general. They tell the whole world what is right and what is wrong.
@@delinquentis9971 Yep, this a continuation of the same echo chamber that ride America quasi-monopoly on global cinema and popular arts to push their world views into others. This Cleopatra and Lizzie's one where made in the same echo chamber, just with different people abusing the same "reach" for similar core purposes.
Dont worry buddy, we respect your culture that has been inherited by your ancestors.
Don't listen to an uncultured country, even they ancestor was from cross atlantic.
@@williamsmith9948 I'm from northern Cali. The south is an absolute fuckfest. You know the place is messed up when there's so much smog you can't even see the sky on a clear day.
Here is the thing and you may disagree because I'm also American but I don't agree with the sentiment that it's just your "own history that they obviously have nothing to do with." I personally think it's more complicated then that.
America carries over the western tradition and spirit that tends to start historically with the Greeks our laws and culture are fundamentally rooted in Greco-Roman culture, ethics and morals just like the rest of the west. So without places like Athens and Rome and men like Cicero and Cincinnatus the United States would likely not have the form it has today since it was their history that led to our founders making many of the decisions they did.
So I can't agree that its just YOUR history when its that very history that is responsible for my own.
Now this is just my opinion but the problem is more that Black Americans have been manipulated by certain corrupt institutions into believing that they can't possible identify with non Black individuals. But they want to identify with this history because it is the history of the culture they are a part of, so they do things like this to make it easier for them.
I've never understood the logic behind the whole, "I'm the same color as a person who achieved something so I get to claim that as if it's an extension of my achievements" mindset lmao
Honestly, it's sort of weird in general, being proud of the past; even if I was a direct descendent of a hero, like, so? I wasn't the one who did whatever he or she did, it's not right for me to get my sense of self-worth based on their accomplishments. I really only care enough to counter when people try to tell me to be ashamed of myself because of the past.
Its the weaklings mindset
Yes!!! Absolutely!
Right. Their whole mantra is "I'm special and unique" but need to see someone physically similar to themselves to feel "represented"
It’s something thats very unique to black americans, you don’t see real africans doing it because they know their indentity. Certain black americans wanna make their history something that is proud and not filled with pain i guess so they make up stuff like this.
Not a single writer thought to check historical records and see that
She
WAS
GREEK
„I don’t care what they tell you in school, Cleopatra was black.“
Cocaine is a hell of a drug!
Not So Fun Fact:
One of the directors behind the Cleopatra documentary, claimed that she was psychic and that Cleopatra’s dead spirit had visited her in a dream.
What makes this funnier is that Shelley Haley, the old lady who cited her grandmother, made that claim.
uuuh, that sounds like... a dark dream
To hunt her house until they retract this shit, i supose
You know, this reminds me of a tidbit about the production of the 1981-Movie "Inchon" I came across on wikipedia:
_" In 1978, psychic Jeanne Dixon was consulted to communicate with the spirit of General MacArthur, and Dixon said that MacArthur's spirit endorsed the production of the film."_
You might know this, but "Inchon" was a notorious disaster at the box office.
@@kuribayashi84 “Inchon” sounds like a completely retarded movie.
It is impressive they managed to make a show more hated than Velma
And in the same year no less.
As a Black woman, I'm sick of Black and White movie makers using biracial and mixed-race actresses to play the role of Black actresses. For example, Halle Berry, Zendaya, Zoey Zaldana, Paula Patton, and many others should not be used to play or represent Black women. There needs to be more Black actresses in movies with lead roles. Black women are fed up with seeing biracial and mixed-race women such as Halle Berry, Zendaya, Zoe Zaldana, and Paula Patton portraying Black women. As far as I'm concerned, Netflix is promoting everybody except Black women, and everybody knows this. This is why I do not watch or support movies that use fake Black women to play real Black women. These are examples of real Black women: Viola Davis, Lupita Nyong'o, Alfre Woodard, Javicia Leslie, Keke Palmer, Kimberly Elise, Kiki Lane, Lovie Simone, Keshia Knight Pulliam, Tika Sumpter, Skai Jackson, Ryan Destiny, Regina King, Nia Long, Angela Bassett, Brandy, etc. Smh
@@rhondae8222 so, these women who are at least partially black aren’t black enough for you to permit them to admit their own heritage? That seems awfully colorist, if not actually racist, to me. Why not just let all those women, both light and dark skinned, play black characters?
And they are all beautiful and talented. I totally agree with you.
It is not about "permit", it is about accuracy of representation. Obviously, we can not expect filmmakers to track the character's ancestry to n'th degree, and find a suitable actress - but at some point, it definitely feels "eh, close enough"
I'm surprised this version of Cleopatra doesn't have superpowers
Or Is A BLM Supporter.
If they really wanted to talke about a revolutionry black African woman, they should've chosen Taytu Betul, empress of Ethiopia.
I now demand a movie about Shaka Zulu to be made and I want him 'reimagined' as a ginger irishman.
My grandma told me, "No matter what they teach you at school, Shaka Zulu was a pasty ginger."
🤣
Race swapping only goes from light to dark, so don't get your hopes up.
😂😂😂
Hmm, that would explain his expansionist tendencies...
"I'd like now to nominate Domhnall Gleeson for the role of Shaka Zulu."
Or something along those lines, innit?
Beside everything else, how is Cleopatra an overlooked historical figure? Aren't there like 50 Hollywood movies with or about her?
Watching this video made me realize that I don't actually know many black historical women who were leaders of Nations! Maybe if Netflix could put some effort into its documentaries they wouldn't be so overlooked!
She’s taught in world history. Her and the General in the Roman Civil war were the second faction of two against Octavian.
Gave Romeo and Juliet vibes with their deaths, but they were more kickass. This show could have been great…
They needed at least one story that every one had heard of before to hook people into the series
And they didn't have a problem with her being casted as white all 50x
@@DeadPiixxel Why would they? She was white after all LOL
My grandma always told me that no matter what other people told me, it's actually not butter
If race swapping doesn't matter, I am looking forward to The Rosa Parks story starring Gwyneth Paltrow.
To produce a show after Velma that is worse than Velma is an accomplishment of epic proportions.
The one thing that tells you enough about this show is the rotten tomatoes score. We are used to low audience scores by now due to movies and shows simply not being good, or being inaccurate lorewise to a franchise.
But the fact that VERY few critics actually watched this and those that does also dislike it tells you alot. Usually they love character changes as long as they are in a ...certain way. But even they knew this is to hot to handle, or: lying about how good this is would be even worse compared to other projects so they either didn't watch it or had enough intelligence to not praise it.
Velma is from HBO, this is from Netflix
@@valentin7693 Correct. I was speaking to the general ambition.
It looked impossible. But they managed to do it. The best "Grab my beer I have seen in a lot of time".
Is like an underdog wining a major League like. Bournemouth, West Ham or Nottingham forest winning 23/24 Premier League.
Velma is horrible but it's kinda funny how hard it tries to be funny. Also the fact that the writers are forcing their political biases in every other line, makes it somewhat entertaining to watch. I definitely wouldn't watch it again though.