New 2022 graphene battery launch : 8 minute charge time. 350 mile range!
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- Graphene nanotechnology is set to be one of the most exciting and ground breaking technologies of the 21st century. Nanotechnology has already revolutionised medicine, construction and industry. And now graphene is about to become a reality in electric vehicle batteries, increasing energy density by 40% or more, and reducing charge times to just a few minutes. Is this the push we've been waiting for to move EVs into the mainstream?
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My gosh. it's amazing how graphene can do everything....except make it out of the lab in the first place.
Graphene Manufacturing Group is doing it. They make graphene from natural gas inexpensively. They have graphene-aluminum coin cells out to customers for testing. The results have been very good (or better) so far, and they have started making pouch cells. Shares for the company are still cheap right now. Just sayin'.
@@andrewkaiser7203 So still a carbon based process.
@@Mordalo But very little, I think. Remember the material is only one atomic layer thick, so you can cover big areas with almost nothing.
@@Mordalo Yes, but not CO2 intensive. It's the production of the CO2 form of carbon that's the problem. Battery storage maximizes the efficient use of energy, letting us use less of the forms of energy production that create CO2.
@@andrewkaiser7203 True to some degree. (see what I did there? 😅) That said, there is no issue with CO2. There were studies 70 years ago that pointed out that oil is abiotic.
In the spirit of "game changers" that never actually change the game, I would love to see an episode where you revisit some of the projects you covered in the past that sounded exciting and give a breakdown of where they are at now.
Have they progressed? Have they folded? Was it a scam? Did they succeed?!
It's important information to have, with a few 3D graphics and fancy science speak, people can promise the world and yet what do they deliver?
Thanks
totally agree, I think this would shed some more light on all those "great disruptors".
i just learned how these nuclear diamond batteries he talked about once are sort of a scam lol
We will indeed be doing some of those in the future, probably starting with Energy Vault (spoiler alert - it hasn't gone well for them!)
it's called filling space to earn an income on CZcams. i.e. clickbait. next.
@@JustHaveaThink Oh yeah, I saw a couple videos by Adam Something and Thunderf00t. Not looking too good for em haha
Sila is sending the right message by building batteries with renewable energy bravo! Now all you need to do is charge with renewables and you’ve got the cleanest transport in human history
You are an especially good teacher. I appreciate the way you explain complex subjects to non-specialists.
Wow, thank you!
I heard once that if you can't explain something complicated to a random person sitting next to you so that they can understand it, do YOU really understand it?
@@McSkumm Well, that is not necessary true. People didn’t always understand Srinivasa Ramanujuan🤷
@@McSkumm not everyone would make a good teacher, even when they know their subject.
Great post my friend. Exciting times ahead. Stay strong, free, happy and healthy. 🌞
The Intro...🤣😂 It made my day! I appreciate your hard work to keep the viewers engaged! And as usual a great video!
Yeah, funny impersonation of Robert Llewellyn of Fully Charged
Thanks. Glad you enjoyed it! :-)
As always a Great video!! 👍🏿 Thank you.
@@JustHaveaThink honestly that and the mommy/daddy/cupcake thing was hysterical. Totally cracked me up. Nice work on this one!
"Vaguely science-based"... endearing humility and even more endearing content and intent.
In Medicine, nanoscale science replaced our hospital labs, staff and lengthy corridors with a glass slide with channels leading to compartments where a set of tests are done; biochemistry, hematology, microbiology, etc.
It's lovely 😊😊😊.
I started out as a computer engineer in 1970, before integrated circuits were ubiquitous, in 1960 hobby magazines were still describing projects using valves (tubes) and generally you had a choice of four transistors for your more modern projects: OC44 & OC45 for RF and OC71 & OC72 for AF. If you were skint you bought red-spot transistors. IIRC In 1960 a transistor cost 10/- , £16 in todays money. I've just bought a stabilised variable power supply from Amazon for £17
For me the biggest advance has been in the reduction in size of various devices, when I started in 1970 hard disk drives holding 80Mb were the size of a small washing machine and ran off 3 phase mains.
You had to allow 28 days for delivery on anything you bought mail order. I ordered that power supply at 21:00 yesterday (Saturday) and it was here today at lunchtime.
Cross platform and inter disciplinary co-operation could facilitate faster adoption and application of all this new technology...if only profit schemes would allow it
And you're younger than me!
Imagine how I feel!
@@stellieford6183 I could rant on all day about this. I think there ought to be be a "Minister for Inter Disciplinary Co-operation", but no other ministers would cooperate with him!
One example would be in the production of hydrogen by electrolysis, apparently they just throw away the oxygen produced. They burn propane to produce CO2 for greenhouses, why not use gas from a bio digester to drive an engine to generate electricity and use the exhaust in the greenhouses? The list is endless.
@@gregbailey45 I guess you're lost in a cloud of confusion and amazement, I'm heading that way.
"Aluminium" was at one time more expensive than gold due to the difficulty and cost of refining it, aluminum. Hopefully graphene will move in the direction.
Napeleon was presented a full aluminum armor (If i can remember) and said (Paraphrasing): i want 1 for every of my soldier. Then the scientist said: Sorry that armor took all the country's aluminum supply. Of course that was when aluminum had to be naturally found without chemistry treatment, meaning it was rare.
The advantage with graphene, its cost is high because the way it is currently created, the basic material (carbon) have a near 0$ cost. By using cheaper method, i can see that really coming to market
The cap of the Washington Monument was extremely expensive.
Rare earth minerals are expensive for the same reason I've read.
@@dianapennepacker6854 Not exactly, but its not a bad comparison, most rare mineral are so "rare" that they cannot be extracted "alone". Sometime, like Indium (Used in phone screens) are a biproduct of Zinc mining (Basically you open a zinc mine, then when extracting it, you get a very small % of other minerals, but it is not your main extracting mineral). Also, minerals like Germanium have a annual world production calculated in KG rather than tons or millions of tons.
There is a nickel deposit in Canada, it is believed to be the remnant of a nickel-iron asteroid impact. There’s a lot more cheddar in the asteroid belt, trillion$ of it.
When I started driving it was not a given you could get the car started in the winter time. Fuel Injection was a game changer
Got my driver's license 5 decades ago. Currently drive a model 3 it's marvelous!!! Have an Aptera & Cyber on order and when not working I ride my E-Enduro bike. This week was up in Mendocino in the California redwoods!! Cheers from Northern California!!!
In the 10 or 12 years since I first started watching fully charged and now your channel I have been amazed how far things have advanced. At 65 I just wish I was 10 to 20 years younger to witness this new tech coming through. In the words of Freddy Mercury,😂 who wants to live forever, well I wouldn't mind.
so would I.. I'm 82
Me too.
The problem with living forever is eventually you find yourself floating in space with black holes spritzing away their atoms for a few eons. Boring as hell.
In the words of Dave Allen on ageing: "one more year, damn you!" 😆
@@rdewey51 True. Arbitrarily long life then. Choose my own time of death.
I grew up an ICE vehicle enthusiast I love cars and the freedom that comes with it. As I began to learn more and more about EVs i get really excited of all the possibilities and seeing the sort of projects coming out of peoples garages and sheds only adds more to my excitement. Now Im looking for a way into the industry
I'm of a similar age to you, and certainly agree that change is growing ever more rapid. That said, I'm also rapidly coming to the age where I'd much rather tap the icon on my phone and have the shuttle pick me up, rather than bothering with driving, or car ownership. I'm sure my driving won't get any better over the next 20 years, which makes me an increasing danger on the road - and I know I'm still a much better driver than a distracted youth.
I'm 74 and am still a much better driver IMHO than 90+% of the road users I come across.
Every time I drive Sydney to Penrith (NSW Australia) on the M4 motorway, I have this proven to me!
@@gregbailey45 I'm not going to say that's impossible, but for a 74 year old to be a better driver than 90% of the other drivers on the road would be a statistical anomaly.
So you base your agreements on how it will make your life more comfortable at your age then the outcome of the generations to come ?
@@sandybanks2865 the only statement of agreement I've made is that the pace of change is increasing, and that has nothing to do with my comfort.
I will believe it when I see it. I have been hearing about "game changing" batteries for years now. Solid state, graphene.. 80% efficient solar panels that can be painted on. I am waiting on the Arc Reactor myself.
Flux capacitor or bust!
@@BrBill I think both of you will find only a functioning Arc Reactor can provide the 2.21GW the Flux Capacitor requires to operate. ;)
@@-_James_- Sold
I’m just waiting for sodium ion batteries for grid scale power storage
the company Hydrograph is able to mass produce graphene, cheaply!
That vacation did you a lot of good - you could almost say it was A GAME CHANGER. Thanks for starting my Sunday with a laugh. :-)
Hehe. Glad you enjoyed it :-)
@@JustHaveaThink you're getting a HUGE amount of SPAM scammer comments on this video.😥
First mention of graphene I've heard in a while. Samsung was supposed to be really pushing that technology but it seems to be tougher to put into commercial production.
Pfizer and Moderna were apparently able to put it into mass production.
@@paulslevinsky580 ?????
I sure do appreciate your channel. Thank you for coming up great material consistently
Having been around for quite a while, I have seen an awful lot of ''New Stuff'' Non stick frying pans, Helicopters on Mars and Boris Johnson's resignation. But it's the stuff I won't live to see that promises the most. I love the science. I love this show. Thank you.
Love your humor Dave, never change lol
Cheers Nick :-)
Loved your video, as always! You're doing a great job of explaining this kind of material and making it enjoyable for the masses to learn about :)
One good thing about the price of fossil fuel being high it drives people to look for alternatives.
None of these solutions maybe perfect but these companies should get something to market at a reasonable cost.
Like VW did prior to WW2 a low cost short range say 2 to 300 mile range commuter design with little to no frills would probably sell well.
300 miles isn't exactly "short range" by the standards of today's EVs. Graphene batteries are unlikely to be cheap any time soon. Lithium Iron Phosphate is likely to be the go-to for low cost EVs.
Your delivery is great. Its soothing. You have just gained another subscriber. Cheers!
Let your word bring luck this world's most needed energy in-dependence
I enjoyed the fun you had with this issue. Love your work!
I love the humour and wisdom mix here :)
Great work on educating many of us on topics that will change our worlds and lives.
I think that a huge piece of the transportation puzzle of the future that is overlooked a lot is how the people will shop, communicate, work, play, and even get medical advice online in the future which will make physical transportation less of a necessity at least on an every day basis , this will definitely have a huge impact on how transportation will evolve.
2:14 sorry I just appreciate the sense of humor behind this. I laughed.
Having worked as a researcher in nano electronics, this sort of thing was always the stuff of dreams.it is great to see industry now taking scientists more seriously to get the things we need done. We should encourage and strive for leaps ahead rather than modest improvements as we really lack the time.
Searching for improvements, modest or otherwise, is always a good thing to do - as long as it's not the only thing you do. We also need to search out new ideas, new methods, and work where there is a solid promise of breakthroughs. Leaps ahead are usually the result of a lucky discovery that was unanticipated. Except that I don't really believe in luck. If you're doing solid work, exploring the unknown always takes you into caves and over cliffs, but it also tends to produce that luck that gets you where you never knew you wanted to be. Incremental improvement research makes for more predictable progress, but it doesn't get you the big bang. You need both.
It really doesn't matter if we "lack the time". Good work takes the time it takes, and discoveries come when they will, needed or not. All we have control over is doing the work. Needless to say, you also want to work as smart as you know how.
Great summary as always, thank you!!
Dang. I was listening to you talking, while browsing the internet in another window. Then, I reopen this window to "skip ad" and its like, wtf??? Your dog stepped on a bee 2:18 ???
Thanks. It's always good to know where we are; and just where we are headed, or all of the contenders for the lead. And you put it to us clearly and succinctly. Thank you.
Good job as always . . . fully appreciate your channel.
Cheers Dennis. Much appreciated :-)
This episode was a Total Game Changer! It changed the game. It's a totally different game now. In fact, I'm not even sure it's a game anymore! It's a Sea Change in untethered analogies. A Hype Changer!
(All the better when delivered by an even-keeled intellectual presenter who also has a sharp sense of humor.)
Thank you :-) I appreciate that :-)
Your presentations become more sophisticated and entertaining each month. I do recognize that to teach one must engage and to entertain is to invite engagement. Your blend of factual infornation and entertaing monologue is enticing.
very interesting stuff, came across this doing research for my year 11 chemistry assignment on graphene embedded LED's, how funny this was released so recently, definitely worth a subscribe
super great low key name drop for batteryuniversity, for the specific (gravimetric) vs volumetric (energy density) distinction.
Loving the M83 ref ❤️
Nicely spotted :-)
You made my coffee come out my nose at 1:32. :-)
I like your explanations, they are lucid and to the point, you make it as simple as possible for us to understand and your voice is so soothing.
I would love to hear your take on hybrid supercapacitors. Part lithium battery, part EDLC. I have just started testing a few samples of 4.2V 4000F cells from China (Gonghe Energy). It seems to have similar specific energy as lithium cell, same discharge voltage curve, same limits on charge and discharge current. By all accounts it is a lithium battery with a ridiculously high cycle life if the spec sheet is correct.
would you consistently expose yourself to 3 MilliGausse (from Magnetic Field) in a Tesla Car for 10+ years ???? you do realize every sidewalk in Los Angeles California has a MilliGausse reading of between 1.5 - 6 MilliGausse? so far this mG exposure is causing the homeless bums to lose control of their bowels. this is why these people keep shitting and pissing in place.
Are you _sure?_
@@johnburns4017 of course this is LOW Level Exposures. Currently there is no research on this. Generally anything considered "carcinogenic"/"bad" will cause problems/cancer within 10 years. These are odds & probabilities.
It's almost getting to the point where charging with electric is at the same energy transfer rate as filling with liquid fuel - but lots of amps are needed though! Thank you for sharing.
And there lies one of the biggest problems, the electricity grid needs to be scaled up to support those high power stations. Those stations will need their own batteries to buffer and fill when the energy price is low. So much to do, tech is here but market is flooded with so many solutions it get's very hard to pick the right one. Even if you pick the right one at that moment it might be obsolete before you reach the Return of Investment point.
Yeah, people do not realize that when filling up a 100Kwh battery in 1 minute either needs to be extremely high amps or very high voltage.... When my Model Y is charging up at 600 amps initially is already scary high!
@@AndreVanKammen czcams.com/video/pLcqJ2DclEg/video.html
@@AndreVanKammen Yes, with more EVs, more electricity will be needed, but your assumption that it will require more "high power stations" is flawed. A future smart-grid will be more decentralized. It is the combination of load management and demand balance that needs to be developed. Solar, Wind, and Hydro have a better LCOE. In this case ROI is insufficient (ROInt required).
Also, it took decades to develop a petroleum industry to service the growing number of ICE vehicles. Even today refinery capacity is a limiting factor.
@@chrisconklin2981 still no urgency?
I love that you're having fun with your videos; just please dont overdo it!
Thank you and we truly do live in a phenomenal era of rapid change. Thant you scientists.
Great to see you so positive here.
The tech everyone is working on really is.
Just the Outlook on live as we now still saddens. Politics are the sand that grinds us down.
I really appreciate the content and style in presentation .Keep up the good work!
Thank you. I'm glad you enjoyed it :-)
Great work as usual. Now, I was able to watch on my tablet and finally subscribe.
This is one of my fav channels. Brilliant👏🏻👏🏻🥂✨
Thanks for the graphene battery news. I haven’t long owned my EV but I feel sure that even within its lifetime a replacement battery could well increase its range from its ‘current’ 104 miles range to one that could cover a whole day’s driving.
For only $10,000.
Good one. I do think ideas abound, commercializing their production is hard and time consuming. I like to think of a lot of the new concepts in a form for storage beyond the vehicle. We need a couple of really heavy duty storage technologies for grid and factory level storage.
There are some good ones already:
Small-scale distributed off-river pumped hydro.
Liquid metal batteries (Ambri)
Solar thermal Molten Salt
It gets even more exciting when combined with the Aptera solar car...we live in amazing times
Meanwhile in Europe trees are being chopped down for heating this winter because of the gas shortage. What progress we have made!
Inductive charging is probably a no-no environmentally! Even at a 80-90% efficiency (for the wireless bit, not for the rest of the system), that will probably add 20% to the electricity power requirements at peak road congestion times rather than buffering when energy is available from the grid.
Also largely unnecessary. Conductive charging is fine for most uses.
In the mid-1980's, I worked for a contract engineering company. Their specialty was evaluating emerging technology. Toyota asked us to look at a "Paper Only System." Solar panels worked during the day to charge a battery pack in the garage which, at night, would recharge the car. We told Toyota that the practical implementation would be 35 to 50 years. I guess we were not too far off the mark.
The funny thing is that the only people who care about EV charging speed is those who don't drive EVs. Once you try it, you realize that this obsession with charging speed is silly. In practice it's rarely a concern. Same with range. 300-400 miles of EPA range is plenty enough, and a lot of EVs can do that now.
The real challenge now is cost and scaling. We need to replace all gas cars, and that won't happen with $60K Teslas, nor at 1M per year production capacity. We need $20K cars and 100M a year of them. Fortunately scaling up production also lowers the cost, so the main concern is scale. And the limiting factor is mining the special materials that batteries need.
So the focus of research should be using more abundant materials, and better mining techniques. On good example of that is the LFP chemistry. It has worse energy density than the traditional NMC and NCA chemistries, but it uses more abundant materials, and a lot cheaper as a consequence.
you nailed it. well said.
Even at ,$20k, there are people who have never bought a new car. I drive E85. Fuel at the moment is 60c a litre and only 15% gasoline
It is tempting to see the future as an extension of the past, e. G. to do with EVs the exactly the same thing as with ICE, but it does not have to be that way. So the scale of the problem may be far less daunting.
1. With more car sharing services coming up, ownership rates could drop by over 90%, studies have shown a shared car can replace 18 owned cars. Which is a far better use of capital, since a personally owned car is only driven very little and parked 90-95% of the time. Ownership is actually far more expensive than people assume, like 200k$ over 20 years on average, taken together everything.
2. For cities automotive transport is highly inefficient in its number of people moved, land use, congestion, accidents, infrastructure cost etc... So obvious solutions like well developed public transport and bicycle lanes could reduce the required amount of cars even more...
Meaning the actual number of electric cars needed could be a tiny fraction of the number of current ICE cars.
The charging speed determines the infrastructure. At the moment, it can barely cope with the tiny number of EVs on the road. 100% EVs will be chaos but with a fast charge we could keep our existing "filling station" approach.
Surely with a faster more frequent charge, you can accept smaller batteries which = more EVS?
Thanks, Dave. Great job!
9:18 "you will own nothing and you will be happy" - W.E.C.
Truly a nightmarish future.
Thanks for your continued videos, very interesting and informative and entertaining , this will be another puncture to the oil balloon, if the technology discussed can be mass produced economically.
It can.
This is really exciting! I hope that their technologies do well. Takes me longer than 8 minutes on most road trips to get out and stretch my legs.
Exactly. If it took 15 minutes, that would be fine for the vast majority of people on a road trip. I can't even use the restroom and buy a coffee on a road trip in less than 10 minutes unless it's the middle of the night. (Rest stops in the US are often crowded, and Starbucks is slow.) Most charging should be done overnight when the car is not in use, which doesn't require speed.
Exactly. And fueling stations would like it because most of their profits isn't fuel, it's the stuff people buy in the store. 8 minutes of shopping/ eating, and off you go.
At fuel stations there is often a que for each pump despite it only taking 1 minute to fill a tank. What will the ques be like when it takes 8 minutes? It would cause chaos both with the line stretching down the road and with disputes between drivers.
@@juskahusk2247 Firstly, we have to realize most people will not fill a completely empty battery. Usually 50%, so 4 minutes. That's not too different than a gasoline pump. Most time is taken unscrewing the cap and doing the transactions. EV can securely connect payment info directly through the charger without any additional steps.
Second, many charging areas either resemble or are in parking areas. There are far more charging outlets than gasoline nozzles.
Overall, this technology has the potential to reduce fueling times. But is that so important? Are we better off with McDonalds and e.coli recalls than when there were family owned actual restraints all over?
@@onebylandtwoifbysearunifby5475 A lot of the time people make assumptions and blame their food poisoning on the place where they bought their food but a lot of the time it is caused by eating with unwashed hands.
I saw a Rivian R1T pickup on the streets near my hometown, recently. I was excited to finally see one in the real world, but just think of how archaic its battery technology is, when compared to the technologies in this week's episode!
1:04 what I like about this animation is that the tip of the microscope is thinner than the bloody atoms it is sensing, and so is the wire above it
It'd be interesting to compare the differences these alternative anode topologies make on batteries of different cathode chemistries.
There's Nickel-Manganese-Cobalt (NMC-333 or -111, -433, -523, -712, or -811), Nickel-Cobalt-Aluminum (NCA), Lithium-Iron-Phosphate (LiFePO4), and all of the other ones like Lithium-Sulfur.
Most electrified public transit fleets use LiFePO4, so I wonder what increased anode volumetric battery density could do for those since this cathode type doesn't store as much as NMC - which you find in most consumer EVs. Could decrease costs even more and allow for more onboard battery capacity, meaning greater travel distance, better grid demand response during bus downtime, and maybe even smaller fleet sizes if recharging/switching out buses isn't as much of an issue.
It looks like this tech is mostly aiming towards the consumer vehicle market though, given the focus on charge times, but this is still a worry for a lot of ICE users. Reducing charge time will indeed lower the barriers to entry and better persuade portions of the population to make the switch.
I'm still betting most of my money on better public transit and rail, but climate change won't wait for society's best wishes. A silver buckshot of a tapestry of solutions is best
Along those lines, I'd like to see a broad peek at tech with the most abundant materials (e.g., carbon, silicone, iron, calcium, aluminum) vs. tech that relies on precious/rare/hazardous substance (lithium, silver, cobalt, platinum, rubidium). I'd expect the former to be making headway on a route to dominance since cost, including life cycle and environmental costs, will IMHO ultimately decide the winner(s).
I LOVE hearing about this. That the new & improved batteries are to be 100% made from recyclable materials is just amazing. The future is looking very bright indeed.
I'll believe it when I see it in mass production Christine.
@@Professor-Scientist fair enough… but I never thought I’d be walking around with a cordless telephone/powerful computer in my hand when I was growing up and yet here we are!
EV batteries are already made of 100% recyclable materials. Lithium ion battery recycling is already a thing.
@@incognitotorpedo42 It's not very developed, but yes, lithium is recyclable with 100% recovery potential
better batteries for cars must mean better batteries for computers phones and so on .. I LOVE IT A LOT !!.. ELECTRIC-CAR A LOT BETTER TO HAVE AND A PLUS FOR THE ENVIROMENT ..
At 09:00 it reminded me of "Solar Freaking Thorium Roadways" and while that's not a thing anymore, its concept does warrant revisiting.
Game Changing Dave!! Great video, always educates me and gives me more ideas. I do think ubiquitous electrification will continue to win out over niche hydrogen with all of these new exciting battery developments. On another note with nanotechnology… Space Elevators!!! Imagine a world where we take space elevators to move people and stuff to orbits and transport quickly across the world without emitting atmospheric GHGs.
"Space Tourism" is going to destroy the ozone layer before space elevators could come online. Selling Earth atmosphere to billionaires was a catastrophic mistake. I'm not even sure who would fund space elevators. Whatever we need to do to end "Space Tourism" though, I'm all for it.
Arthur C. Clarke would be very proud of you Dan :-)
I will stay forever on the fence about space elevators. If it ever becomes truly viable, the cost of building one will be prohibitively expensive for a long time to come.
What if an air locked tube from earth to the vacuum of space were built?
Load up the transport module. Shove it in the airlock. Close the sealed door. Open the top. And whoosh! It gets sucked up into space using the vacuum of space as its propulsion to lift it.
Or would gravity prevent it from lifting off?
@@kentneumann5209 Haha, you're funny. Check out aerostatic pressure, it explains why things are not as you imagine.
I think inductive charging is unlikely. The distance you can get on such things is very low and also roads get repaired quite a lot meaning you'd have to dig up the coils and replace them every time you do so so unless a new type of road is coming then that seems unlikely. Battery swapping seems more likely to me although that will require cars to be outfitted with swappable batteries. My favourite idea if it is possible is overhead power that cars and lorries connect to but while I've seen that work with lorries because obviously it has to be a little bit higher than the tallest lorry it's going to take a much longer attachment to charge a car and it seems like it would be too long to be stable at motorway speeds anyway. Maybe you could have a special car only lane for this.
Bloody great video as always! Thank you.
Another very informative video, and thanks for putting the sponsorship stuff at the end.
Thank you, your presentation is excellent. It is indeed so that there are many ways to produce better batteries. The number of degrees of freedom is high. One major degree of freedpm is the nanotechnology. The number of possibilities or schemes to store hydrogen seem to be much more limited. So my best bet is electric cars with batteries.
Cheers Carl. Much appreciated.
There is existing tech for making, storing, transporting, and using H2 with some ease. New catalysts make making H2 easier and cheaper and more efficient, making ammonia for transport using new catalysts (this is more volume-efficient than liquid H2 and doesn't need to be cryogenic and can use existing mature transport methods), a new catalyst for reforming ammonia to H2 at the user's end. All developed by CSIRO, and in combination make H2 infrastructure entirely possible and cost-effective.
@@thekaxmax Thank you !
I honestly thing the current rapid charge speeds( ~25ish minutes for 10-80%) are fine.
But It'd be amazing to see these improve the already good lifespan of batteries to something great.
Kinda like how new oled tvs are being improved just by lamenting a better cooling solution to the stack. Which leads to lower operating temps and less degradation/burn-in.
Less battery degradation means you can go with that lower capacity model
saving money and environmental cost without loosing much range in 5-10
years. Also need the kw/mile efficiency to improve and for car makers to
stop putting gearboxes in EVs.
Same applies to solar panels. Hardly ever is cooling installed while on hot sunny days the efficiency decreases by up to 50% due to the temperature of the panels, they get burning hot by the radiation that is not converted to electricity. With a simple cooling solution you can get double the power out of your solar panels!
Charging stations are currently badly designed. They can only charge one car in one space and you have to wait for the car to be moved afterwards. As charging times decrease, we will need one charger shared over say 6 parking spaces connected by 6 cables all at the same time. The charger will cycle round, charging each car in order of their connection time, automatically read the cars ID required charge and charge rate and deduct $ from its account whilst the owners get a coffee, etc. The top of each charger will show the estimated waiting time for each charger so on arrival you can choose an empty charge space which shows the shortest waiting time if you are in a hurry. Encouraging people to spend whilst taking a charge break will be big business.
Ownership of one’s method of transportation has always applied to the public and advancing the technology has been an indicator of sophistication hence value.
My only concern about graphene is economical production at a scale that will be in any way relevant.
A single Lithium Iron Battery takes meters of anode and cathode material, rolled up in a 'jelly roll' and placed in a 'can'. It takes hundreds or even thousands of them to run a single vehicle. So now we're talking about kilometers of the stuff per vehicle produced. If you're wanting to hit any sort of production tempo, you're going to need to be able to produce kilometers of the stuff every minute, just to keep up with vehicle production. We still aren't there yet. We don't really have a plan for how to get there yet.
Don't get me wrong, I'm glad to see that there have been improvements in graphene manufacturing, but it still has a very long way to go before we start seeing it in practical applications.
Great video and I'm definitely interested in all science and engineering based CZcams channels, especially liking this one. Indeed as I'm interested in green hydrogen being place as part of my country the UK industrial and energy plans. On nanotechnology I understand that as part of a fourth industrial revolution, possibly maybe lots applications for quantum mechanical processes/ properties that improve energy efficiencies?For example quantum dots for photovoltaics, just maybe the tip of the iceberg!? 👌😛
Absolutely. There's lots of transformational tech in the pipeline
Agreed, I have emails from both BP and Shell stating this is the direction they are heading as part of their strategy. Although personally I feel mass ownership of individual vehicles is not a long term solution anyway. If you want a good read, tomorrow's energy, Hydrogen fuel cells by Peter Hoffman
Short charging times mean higher current from the electrical grid. With the grid now at capacity in many areas it will be interesting to see the rolling blackouts that happen when everyone gets home from work and plugs in their car!
Graphene raised my credit score by 50 points. Does it all.
Charge times are nice, but I feel its the wrong focus. People keep thinking of EVs like gas cars. Most of the time (save for road trips) you just don't need fast charging. I wake up with a "full tank" every morning and don't even think about going somewhere to "fill up". Hydrogen, battery swaps, 6c+ charging... no thank you. Energy density and cost are far more important areas to focus on.
Definitely!
I mean, who drives 500km, takes an 8-minute break, and then drives another 500km? I need my half-hour break to eat/drink/stretch my legs anyway.
This can be useful for semi trucks though.
Yeah, I keep telling that to people as well, but I guess for a lot of people they just don't have a parking space where they can charge near their home.
That might be true in Europe, but in the USA, Australia, Canada, NZ etc people need vehicles capable of fast refuelling over 1000km trips.
@@tomsemmens6275 The US is the exception actually. Australia the average is still only 36.4 km (21,5 miles). The average is much more interesting than the outliners, if we can reach for example 80% of the world drivers with this kind of charging we've already come a long way.
@@tomsemmens6275 excuse my ignorance, but do you really drive 310 miles, take an 8-minute break, and then drive another 310 miles? I mean, for me, that would be 6 hours of non-stop driving, a pee break and another 6 hours of driving. How do you drive over there?
This technology might even make me seriously consider an EV. I didn't want to be an early adopter of the EV tech and since I discovered sail boats over 40 years ago I drive cars as little as possible, less than 6k miles a year now. The two ICE vehicles I have would last me another 20 years at the rate I'm putting miles on them...
Whats up with the sailboats? Also, your cars wont last that long because in about 8-10 it will be nigh impossible to find parts for them.
Most probably, no big disruptive technology but rather continously improvement over the years.
I worked for several years in solar R&D and the one problem with have always had is storage, wee been looking for a high density storage medium that is also resistant to temperature variables. We have seen many university projects in my time, but many failed to provide the necessary power storage required to be able to maintain a steady constant output, not enough power storage and very limited resistance to temperature changes. I am looking forward to more research and study in the field of energy production and energy storage. I been working on my own projects, but i am in the very early stages of research into exotic/rare materials for power storage.
I think short term (next few years), it's "no brainer" technologies to technologies that will matter. $25k 200+ mi EV, with LFP batteries (with CTP efficiencies). Standard "killer app" features include V2L (vehicle to load), for off grid power. Also plug-and-charge at fast chargers (no cards, no apps).
A few years after that, silicon anode technologies. And probably by 2030, things will look very different (advanced batteries, etc.), including common use L4 autonomy, TaaS (transportation as a service).
Yes. This is all likely. Tesla has always had plug-and-charge. It's incredibly easy and reliable.
8 minutes for 500 miles? that's a fast car.
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8 mins to charge for a EV with 500 mi range. It has nothing to do with the speed. At least that is what I understood.
@@janami-dharmam I think nico is aware of that, he's just making a joke :)
Very interesting. Thanks for sharing! Subscribed! :D
Another great video Dave!
It's probably fair to say that if/when we start seeing orders of magnitude drops in price of bulk graphene, things are going to get pretty Looney Tunes. The number of technologies held up by the cost/availability of that alone is pretty staggering.
at the rate and shape things are going right now, that isn't going to happen anytime soon, perhaps in 10 years in the earliest and in the new world which will come after this clusterfu....
The incentive to achieve production of graphene at scale is (like you say) huge. That's why I hold shares of several companies in this space.
Graphene could replace copper in power transmission, circuits, simi-conductors and structural components. Your entire car could be made of graphene, motor included (except the windows perhaps). Your entire car could weigh half- tonne instead of 3 tonnes. But that's probably "10 years away"...
would grade not also be pretty important? physical and certainly electrical properties are really impressive only when it's essentially flawless
@@LunarLaker Good point. I think low-grade graphene (aka platelet grade) is suitable for anode applications because it is just a few layers thick. This is not costly to make using graphite exfoliation. This grade of graphene is also useful as a structural additive in composites. High-grade graphene (1-2 layers) is produced differently, using CVD (chemical vapor deposition), and is more costly but still doable. I’d love to see a more detailed video about these issues.
Great to hear. Does this mean a GAC car with an 8 minute charge can use todays Fast Charge networks, or will they require specialist, high output chargers 🤔
The latter, as the gac displayed last year was done off one of their custom built 480kwhs chargers. Publicly right now 350kwhs is the max and that is well under 5% of all dcfc world wide. Growing quickly for sure, but still fairly rare overall.
Special high-output chargers will be needed. Not just for this car, but in general. The majority of current public chargers are _not_ capable of delivering several hundred amps/kilowatts. And the electrical grid will need to be massively upgraded. It currently struggles under the higher demand caused by increasing AC use as summer days get hotter. Adding thousands of electric cars (in just one "region") simultaneously drawing 100kW - 500kW each (just guessing at future needs) will blow up the current system.
@@LizardVideoDude EVs also stabilize grid systems by mopping up excess energy in the grid, reducing baseload power stations and stand-by power generation. Excess wind and solar power, plus return-to-grid stabilization. EVs don't typically need to charge at any given set time, especially since the actual use is 1/30th of the day, typically, so can be used for grid balancing. "Smart grid" efficiency may be more important than size.
I think your concerns will be more for long trips and vacation travellers, freight transport. Either way, yes, the electric grid was built when there were 2 Billion people on planet Earth. It's not designed to handle 9 Billion people. Especially when 1 billion of them waste power like there's no tomorrow (and seem hell-bent on making sure there literally isn't one.)
@@LizardVideoDude the simple answer to that is all EV’s must be plunged in all the time that’s the part of the grid that needs grid grade access with control. So all the parts of the whole system knows what to do by knowing what all the other parts are going to do! The cars will make a net gain to the power capacity of the grid at any given time, mass transit of kids with school buses could be beneficial to everyone built be more a portable grid storage device that also provides safe clean transportation for the kids! But that could shut petroleum down hardly worth mentioning amount but still they fight like hell to choke the air the kids have to breathe like it’s nothing to everything. When of course it has the only means to poison everything it touches! What else in nature naturally changes the climate this fast?
Excellent presentation, no nonsense and very exciting to see another battery factory planned for the US to compete with all the progress happening in China...
Keep the good work going!
Letting the market sort out which technology wins means letting those with deep pockets influence the outcome. The profit motive doesn't always lead to the right choice initially. At this point, the climate emergency is such that we need to make all of the right choices as soon as possible.
like anything in research world, any breakthrough technology doesn't guarantee it will be the best technology for the masses... it can be stuck with high producing cost, supply issue, can't be scaled up, hit the development limit, etc... letting the market sort it out means at the very least the product already have the capability to scale up... for the rest of the factor only time will tell if that technology hit the jackpot or not...
The market is often the most efficient way to discover the "right choices." Not always, but very often markets do that more efficiently than central planners. It is impossible for a central planner to know all of the information of every market participant. Therefore the central planner can't set prices as efficiently as all of the people in the market, which means the central planner can't allocate resources as efficiently as a market. This is very basic economic theory.
When markets are distorted by economic regulations, those efficiencies can be and often are reduced.
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Markets are driven by inertia Patents and people playing speculation games via automated trading systems ...
and protecting their own interests and profits even if it means hostile takeovers and asset stripping.
So society has to step in to make sure the naughty boys and girls who only get paid to make money move to make them money actually A/dont mess up the good ideas and teams that can actually make something... B/ tell them whats needed and by when so that the rest of the population of the planet can tell them whats actually needed rather than them and their clever advertising friends endlessly selling us useless throw away junk and unrealistic life styles for a species that is litteraly running out natural basic resources, soil clean drinking water and Air you can breath without it damaging your life.
there is no better way than letting market decide .. don’t try to patronize .. that’s the most organic way of development ..
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The markets are a large part of what got us into the Environmental and economic messes we find ourselves in ....
Economists and businesses are inevitably simplistic and short termist.
Political and Economic ideologies just dont stand up and deliver when you are facing complex Environmental and global problems.
Ive studied both economics govt and commerce as well as Earth/Environmental Sciences Agriculture and Forensics ....
and in that time ive also seen human population double in that time and the Ecological damage increase and spread in every continent and global system. We have reached the tipping points because those market driven systems mostly work in the same tunnel vision myopic ways. ..and are largely controlled by the same sorts of
Get rich get power driven individuals.
I was born at the heart of The Industrial revolution and that made a lot of the stuff that the largest Empire the worlds seen, invented and traded for better or worse... and the wealthy and power hungry will always take risks with other peoples lives and failed to take due care .
They also always try patronising those who really do stand back learn and watch and disagree with the repeated patterns and history created and realise we need to take a longer view.
There are few more educational practices to observe than forestry and food production....
but i could also lead you through countless industries.
Economics is not a science, no more than a lot of Social science they are attempts to explain and quantify behaviour.
The behaviour of many of the individuals involved is faulty if not deviant in the larger context. Governing populations so desperate and short lived they repeatedly fail to develope a more mature overview of the fact that we collectively need to grow up and plan what solutions will work given the life support thermostat is starting to switch off... and is being poisoned ... by the same people as your advocating should be given carte blanche again, to do what they've been doing for millennia .....before even Adam Smith wrote the Wealth of Nations.
I love these video's of yours.
The channel "the limiting factor" did a video this week about Sodium-Ion batteries And why it will always take between several to 10 years to scale up production of a new type of battery. It was very interesting, but the takeaway was that it usually takes about a decade because not only does the scaling up of the production of the new technology need to be scaled up from lab to pilot to full production in 1 location, to production in multiple locations. Look at tesla, it took them more than a decade, and even they have trouble with scaling up their latest form factor. Another important complicating factor is that the supply of resources for this new chemistry needs to scale up, with its own bottlenecks and problems. I recommend you to watch this video from "the limiting factor. it goes into much more detail.
In short, I don't think it is likely these new batteries will be in a significant percentage of cars within 10 years.
This is only true if you want to make money by restricting knowledge (secrets) or its application (patents). Otherwise a lot of people could work with the same technology in parallel and independent of each other - sharing further insights. And parallel means fast. See open source development, or implementation of standards (ISO, DIN etc.). That means slow development is artificial because the limitations are intentional.
They usually start small, like AA/AAA and coin batteries. Then larger and larger.
@@martinweitzmann8341 You mean government should develop the batteries? Alongside the private sector?
@@Moses_VII no
Thanks for the info....keep those clear words coming!
Great video as always
Thanks for sharing your knowledge to all of us :-)
"Vaguely science based channel" haha!
There really will be a 'game changer' when batteries are under $50 per kWh at the cell level, and over 600 Wh/kg. It will be in the realm of electric aviation.
Real estate markets and city design will need to adapt to electric VTOL aircraft -- with suburban and rural living becoming much more practical.
Living 100 km from where you mostly hang out becomes easy when it only takes 20 mins to reach your destination and a couple of dollars of electricity.
Greater distances may have similar travel times due to differing airframes designed for much higher speeds.
10 km/minute average speed over medium distances, for example 200-500 km, is entirely achievable.
Once over 1000 Wh/kg, which we have in the lab, that circle of distance and rate of travel just go up and up.
If humans can stop letting psychos gain power and ruin everything for the rest of us, then we have a really bright future. Off grid living will become a nonsensical expression.
Oh, so comparable Transport costs of Train?
@@beerenmusli8220 Possibly, sans energy intensive infrastructure, and able to go off the tracks so to speak.
Well said, what we need is investments into R&D into better battery technologies and fusion energy, no money being wasted on solar/wind bs.
mr geothermal here.
it's interesting what is here but actually not here.😀
i found in ALBERTA they are finally doing a geothermal project with closed lop 130C temp system for power and heating a farm project.
now if we only had 100 fold more investment in it at least.
"it's gonna be a game changer". That was spectacular!!! 👏👏👏👏👏
In the case of consumer products like iPhones, apple watches and possibly laptops, volumetric performance matters. No one wants a watch the size of a fridge.
However for cars, buses, semis, laptops, aircraft and such, gravimetric matters far more as it affects cargo capacity and range.
In the case of aircraft, price premium for high gravimetric performance is quite tolerable as aircraft engines aren’t cheap by any measure.
Perhaps the biggest advance is more kwh per kg. Some electric cars carry battery packs of 800 kg ! No joke. Fast charging appeals to a smaller group of customers. Those with a dog anyway do not care to charge the car so fast, they need some time to lead their dog into the bush for a discharge...
If only we could use puppy urine for fuel :)
@@simongross3122 it is a good fertilizer for growing biofuels
@@carlbrenninkmeijer8925 Yes it is. I want to see a dog-led revolution in biofuel production. I imagine a forest with lots of trees with special puppy-pee collectors. As a bonus, the trees will extract co2 for us. We're onto the next game-changer :)
Why not plug the dog directly into the car? Use it's walk as a means of generating electricity and collect the dog output to be used in an inbuilt methane converter?
@@twotone3070 I like the way you think. But some dogs do prefer a nice tree. Perhaps we can incorporate a tree in the car somehow
Awesome.... Thank you once again for a great informative video...
My first time here, great video
"We are still in the wild west stage of electric vehicles". Absolutely true. And that is why it makes no sense to mandate them at this point in time.
Agreed. In general, way better to let market demand push the suppliers. Government intervention is a non-starter.