Doctor and Lawyer React To Grey’s Anatomy Malpractice Episode
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Legal Eagle and I went head to head last year to see which was harder, Med School or Law School. We decided to bury the hatchet this time and join our forces to react to the popular medical malpractice episode of Grey’s Anatomy, Season 10 Episode 9 “Sorry Seems To Be The Hardest Word”. I brought my medical knowledge about a surgery gone wrong for a snowboarder who loses his legs above the knee. Devin Stone brought his legal expertise to break down what was accurate and what was fake during the trial of Dr. Callie Torres.
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I reacted to Cringe Dhar Mann videos here -> czcams.com/video/zBC68iQjH-k/video.html
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Only three comments :,)
Hi
Every grey's Anatomy Fan ever:
Title "Doctor and lawyer react to grey's anatomy malpractice episode."
"Wait, Which one?"
OMG LMFAO
Yessss
That's what I really appreciate about [fellow] Greys fans! Most are fully aware & honest about the flaws; Greys fans know that its just one gigantic medical joke punchline & they aren't afraid to admit that openly. It's not like fans of other shows, or an even better example, like SO many fans of CZcamsrs who don't even want to face mistakes that CZcamsr has made, even if they have fully, publicly admitted to making them.
@@BeeTeaDubs EXACTLY THANK YOU FOR SAYING THIS!!❤
Even they are aware and just go with it 💀
It looks as if they both are learning from each other
You should always take every opportunity to learn from an expert in something, even if you yourself are an expert in that thing. We should always be willing to learn and grow throughout our whole lives.
It does! They seem to have a good rapport, too!
It's a good rule of thumb that when you are around people who know more than you, it's wise to glean what you can from them. In the trades it's downright subconscious. If I'm working on a mechanical issue and my boss shows up, it's almost instinct to hand them the wrench.
Good, Bald Beagle need to learn!
Too bad this does not apply to politicians.
I heard my dentist say "oops" while drilling my tooth once.
They had to stop for a full minute because i couldn't stop laughing.
The (understandably) sheepish looks the dentist and their assistant had while trying not to laugh too, was making me laugh more.
I never let them live it down. Good naturedly of course. No harm was done.
Lol. I love this.
I just laughed out loud & spit my soda out reading this 🤣🤣
😂
Me being paranoid "am I going to die ?!?!?! " Then I would laugh
Shows what a good dentist is worth.
And every time someone doesn't want to go because they fear the unpleasantness and pain I can only reply with the fact that they are already in pain and it won't get better on it's own. Rather it will get worse.
Do it now while the issue is small and most likely won't require some easy treatment instead of waiting for it to become worse and might require pulling the tooth.
I like how Devin implies that being a lawyer also comes with detailed knowledge in men's fashion.
It kind of does. You have to know what will make the best impression on the judge and/or jury and so have to be very careful with what you wear.
I was hoping he’d mention how much it looks like the BCS Howard Hamlin suit!
Absolutely. My Mock Trial coach went berserk when someone showed up to a scrimmage with two different colored blazer and pants.
Fashion sucks or I am lazy, I just go all black.
Litigation is theater. I received training as a "baby" prosecutor by a theater coach to destroy and rebuild my jury trial stance, gait, rhythm, etc. Law school did not prepare me for that.
This whole episode is just:
Mike: _cringe_ wHY AREN’T YOU CHECKING ON HIM?!?!?
LegalEagle: you know what you might as well just sell the hospital.
Kinda fascinating, the difference between the feeling of personal responsibility for the situation vs reaping the benefits of the situation
As someone who has spent many nights in the hospital it's 100% true you never get any sleep cause they are constantly checking on you every single hour.
really shows the difference in mindsets between a lawyer and doctor
Well it isn't his job to fix medical issues. Just to prove the issue was had, shouldn't of happened, and was due to someone's negligence. And to get those at fault to have to be punished in someway.
@@alluringifyy If they had same mindsets, this video would have either two doctors or two lawyers.
Plot Twist: Doctor Mike is getting legal advice just in case this happens to him.
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He's not a surgeon or er doc. It would be safe to assume that he doesn't get sued often. In fact i doubt if it's ever happened. And i think most doctors have their own attorneys.
@@pangiecake thank you very much for your support
@@pangiecakeYour sympathy is admirable but please make sure this isn't some scam.
Dr. Mike: "She's guilty."
Devin: "Liable. It's a civil case. She's liable. And so is the hospital."
I love the distinction of legalese.
nice
Lol, Mike is a Doc so for him this is practically a crime, like, no Doctor should be that bad. Like a kindergarten teacher leave a bunch of 4 year old unsupervised for an entire day 😂
@@WanderingRogue1it is indeed a crime, but the guy chose to sue her instead of reporting her, making a civil case, where the person is only liable and not guilty
I mean Dr. Mike would do the same with medical terms. If Devon had said something like she was getting an x-ray when she was getting an MRI, Dr. Mike would prob point that out too (and maybe explain why theyre using one over the other).
Hey if Mikes gonna sit here explaining medical jargon, Devin should explain law jargon lol
This is a really hard episode to watch. My dad was an amputee and he went into the hospital for a gallbladder surgery. When he was in the surgical ICU he complained that his (remaining)leg felt off. The nurse ignored him and left him for the night. When my mom went to visit the next day his leg had turned black, because one of the air tubes was wrapped around his leg tightly. They had to amputate his leg, and was placed in the medical ICU. Between the two surgeries it was to much for his body and he passed 2 weeks later. To this day I still can't go in that hospital. We never sued, or went after the hospital either. I appreciate the work the doctors did to help him after that nurse made that mistake, but it doesn't stop me from distrusting that hospital staff.
kinda weird that you just openly confess that you didnt sue a hospital that literally allegedly killed your own dad, are you guys paralyzed by forms of confrontation or something?
@@SobeCrunkMonster I honestly don't know, my mom didn't want to pursue, neither did my brother. I guess they didn't want to drag it out more. I'm still mad about it, I can't even go near the hospital without getting anxious.
@Skyler Wallace, thank you for your testimony. I understand. Years ago, my Dad, had hip replacement surgery and passed days later. There was suspect of Medical oversight, Passed a clot or Air Embolism. My family let it be, we wanted to live in peace. We didn't want our Mom go through court events and trauma. Peace be with you.
@@SobeCrunkMonster Not everything in life is replaced by money. Kinda like watching the Joker burn that big pile of cash.
@@SobeCrunkMonster Sueing for malpractice is a lengthy process, and very distressing for the family left behind. Some people just want to grieve in peace and not have everything analysed and picked over in court. It's expensive to sue someone too, and there is a chance you'll lose.
The fact that they both caught "hun" immediately and reacted just proves how professional these men are.
For a second there I thought you said unprofessional and I was getting ready to rant
@ri ro 12:21
dOnT aSsUmE tHiEr gEnDeRs!
I didn't catch it, and I'm a woman. But it's probably because I'm used to hearing it.
These two make me question my sexuality
“Sometimes we make mistakes.”
Devin Stone: And then the lawyers make it right.
Doctor Mike: 👁👄👁
GAGAGAGAGA I just disliked my own face because I am unpretty. HOWEVER: I always like my GOOD videos however. No dislikes allowed where I come from. Don't be mean, dear ipek
@@AxxLAfriku I think you misunderstood my comment, dear. I'm not trying to be mean to anyone. I just liked Doctor Mike's face after lawyer Devin said those words so I wrote this comment. And I'm sure you are a beautiful person, don't be rude to yourself.
@@AxxLAfriku Are you high or something
Hehe😂😂😂 lol.
Everyone makes mistakes. The idea that doctors have to bat a thousand is insanely stupid and dangerous to everyone involved.
This type of collaboration NEEDS to happen way more often. The world definitely needs more educated professionals on the internet.
Love this comment ❤️
Devin: nice clothes are ok, you do not have to be that specific.
Also Devin: analyses in depth how the cuff-links fit to the collar of the lawyer 5 seconds later.
no one's talking about the fact that if the snowboarder had a friend who successfully received the hip surgery why he couldn't go to the same doctor to have it done and tried it experimentally with a doctor who didn't know the procedure 😭
I would guess either the doctor only has openings beyond the timeframe they are looking at. Or the doctor rejected the snowboarder
Also money
The other thing is, did he take the guy's insurance? I wouldn't go to a doctor if my insurance wasn't accepted.
@@Optomistic3501 The only way that can happen to me is if I forget to renew my provincial health card... And then I can get a temporary paper version until I get my plastic picture ID.
I will never understand why so many Americans are against something so DECENT and sensible as universal healthcare.
@@TheJimprez our understanding is that under universal health care it'll take longer to be seen, even though it can sometimes take months for us to get in for an appointment... theory is ours is broken but that sounds like the ability to be even more broken, is my perceived issue tied to it.
This is one of the most unexpected and most welcome collaborations, this needs to happen more
I agree with you JSGWAM
This is the best crossover,
Better than avengers end game
They have another video together
Dr. Mike agrees with ya!
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definitely
19:05 I love how he probably saw his legs a while ago but covered them up and waited for the doctors to walk in just to do a dramatic reveal
Having worked in a hospital, can 100% confirm. Patient health and safety is always secondary to dramatic flair. Corollary to that is drama sub classes of doctor inter relationships and loud emotional outbursts at the nurse station. By law at least one clipboard most be thrown.
I’ve served on 3 juries and the amount of manipulation from lawyers toward witnesses, jurors, and expert testimonies, was like nails on a chalkboard. I wish their manipulations were illegal.
sadly, manipulation is the entire point of a trial
I mean, the point of the lawyer in the trial is to convince you and argue their client’s case. If they didn’t, they wouldn’t be a good lawyer.
That's scary 😰 As someone who hates confrontations, I habitually just agree with the other person after a short time of arguing with them. It's just like instincts at this point
I came to the comments to see if I was the only one that felt "icky" about all the lawyer's talk about how to basically manipulate everyone. It's gross and it's not about the facts.
@xiaojieziyun8338 No offense, but it sounds like you need to grow a backbone and stand up for yourself.
The fact that they took the time to roast some fashion without even using it as an ad is iconic
I was waiting for Leagle Eagle’s suit sponsorship message!
*whisper* indochino
The fact that that wasn't a patented Legal Eagle Indochino segue is mindblowing, honestly
Yess!! I immidiatly whispered to myself "Indochino" 😂😂😂
I don't think he could because he is on a different channel that is not sponsored by Indochino
The sponge was wrongfully accused! #spongejustice #justiceforthesponge
Do a Bull episode!
Guess the patient wasn't sponge worthy
Yep
@@unaizaabbas7838 it wasn’t the sponge. It was an underlying problem with the medical device itself.
This was very interesting 🤔 it does happen as well as instruments . More of this would be great 👍
The synchronized “hun hun hun?!” reaction from both of them was gold
my orthodontist was putting on my braces, and she went “oops.”
man my eyes went wide with shock.
Bill Cosby had a funny routine about a doctor who went ‘oops’. Worth looking up.
"This would be a multi-year process"
Don't get me started on how screwed up the timeline is in Grey's Anatomy.
Well... they need it to fit in the eposode.
I did some research to make a timeline for the show and I think the show started in 2008 but it is still a mess to fit everything.
@@e.moonbound2420 Grey’s started airing in ‘05/‘06, I think the pilot was shot in ‘04 I believe.
Seasons 1, 2, and 3 cover Mer’s intern year, and if I remember rightly seasons 4 & 5 cover Lexi’s intern year, then there’s flashback and time jump episodes, which really messes with the mind.
One reason I really appreciate S17 is that the timeline is relatively well demarcated.
@@jessicadangerfield1539 Izzie was in the hospital because of her cancer in 2009 according to the show itself, that was during their second year working there, that is my main reason to think that they started working around early-mid 2008.
@@e.moonbound2420 except, for the fact that internship/residency years in the US roughly follow the US school year, crossing over calendar years… so working backwards:
their 2nd year ends in early/mid ‘09,
their 2nd year starts in mid/late ‘08,
their 1st year ends early/mid ‘08,
their 1st year starts mid/late ‘07.
But then, as they film in real hospitals, occasionally you’ll get other visual cues like a poster for an ‘06 blood drive during a scene from their 1st year 🤷♀️
"Highly educated man learning from another highly educated man" is my new fetish
Oh yes!
Swoon
While one is front of me and the other behind me. Woof.
With zero ego. Love this
@@synocrat601 oh my god lol 😂
I had surgery as a kid on my kidney. The lead surgeon apparently (I found out years later from my parents, cause I was 8 when it all happened) while operating on me noticed there was something wrong with him and the next day he went in and got checked and turns out he had a brain tumor. because of this, the hospital was super worried about my kidney (and probably being sued, both my parents are lawyers) and I was checked out a bunch of times and they had a second surgeon look at it and tons of follow ups (that my parents told me later was because everyone was worried about the doctor's skills with the tumor, turns out it was fine) and 17 years later my kidney does not have any problems (and most importantly the doctor is still alive and practicing, last I checked). So yeah, it is weird that no one checked this guy especially knowing it was the doctor's first time doing the procedure.
That literally happened to Amelia Shepperd in the show, except that she was the doctor.
look at how attentively Legal Eagle is watching Dr. Mike when he speaks. such a lawyer thing
I love when they were both like, "'Hon, hon, hon'?!?!?!?!" And I was like, these are two good dudes.
Out of context I read this before I got to the scene and thought it was some sort of French joke
I didn't understand that part >.
@@AkkinAnimrac In the US, many women take offense to being called "hon" or some similar term of endearment because they see it as diminutive
@@ErdTirdMans Ooh, okay thank you for clarifying that for me :)
@@AkkinAnimrac especially in a professional context. So inappropriate. Might as well call her babe and be done with it.
"A mistake that cost a thriving, healthy Olympic athlete his legs..."
This is why lawyers often don't want logical people as jurors. Why would a thriving, healthy, olympic athlete need a major surgery more common in elderly and severely injured.
Healthy is a hard term to explain in medicine, a young person with extreme allergies is healthy? An 87 year old man with an active life style is healthy? Is a person with low iron healthy? if a person has a condition but doesn't effect their life is healthy?
If he could live his life like an average person you can totally call him healthy, i haven't actually see the episode so i don't know how bad his legs are but if a young athlete with no circulation problems, a healthy life style, not extreme trauma comes for a surgery he is consider very healthy, he should be able to recover quickly and not being in high danger.
@@anna.owo. in medicine, healthy can be hard to define. In layman's terms, healthy is not so difficult to define. A good lawyer would have mentioned to the fact that he came into the surgery with a pre-existing heart condition and arthritis that, for his age, is considered extreme. A good lawyer would have made people question why someone healthy would be seeking out a hip replacement. A medical professional could see all of those factors as separate things and view someone who leads an active lifestyle as overall healthy despite those things, but the average person is going to question how healthy someone is if they have all these things going on.
Yeah this sounded really silly. He clearly wasn't healthy, his condition could have lead to him not be able to participate in this sport in the future anyway.
Did it ever occur to you that he is speaking from the perspective of the plaintiff's representative? A "good lawyer" advocates for the interests of their client and tries to win their client's case. He's trying to sway the jury's opinion in favor of his client, not arrive at the "logically correct" answer. If he did the latter and his client lost, he would NOT be a "good lawyer."
Also, whether or not you considered him "healthy" to start with is irrelevant, because the doctors did screw up. Badly.
@@GoddoDoggo The hypothetical "good lawyer" I was speaking of was the defense, not the plaintiff. Clearly, the lawyer who was arguing is trying to argue for his client. However, it is unwise to ask questions you don't know the answer to or make arguments that the jury may not agree with. My original point was lawyers dislike logical jurors, meaning they will do their best to remove them during jury selection. It is often easier and more reliable to make emotional arguments. Even if the facts are on your side, you want to be able to tell a story that feels right, look at what happened in the OJ trial. Also, fictional lawyers get to have a sterling reputation no matter how bad their arguments are.
I have had several hospital stays and I can say every stay I was never left alone for more than a few hours. There was a time that I was admitted to the ICU with a kidney infection that had become septic, and there were always people checking on me all the time. Just as a side story, when I was taken off of morphine and the painkillers that i was put on were not sufficient to manage my pain. And during this time a nurse came in and forced me to sit up at a 90° angle by move my beds angle, which was excruciating and I started to cry uncontrollably I couldn't even speak. That was when the nurse started stating that I "need to stop crying" that I'm "disturbing other patient that are in worse off than me" and that I'm "not going to get any morphine." This whole time I can't stop crying and I'm just glaring at her because I can't even speak with how much pain I was in. Finally she put my bed down to around 45° and the pain was more tolerable. Needless to say when the doctor came in to check on me I informed him of the nurses actions and requested that she never come into my room again, and the doctor gave me a slightly stronger dose of pain killers, which allowed me to recover with less pain. I did see the nurse again, but she was always leaving my room while I was waking up, I never had to interact with her again. I'm happy that my doctor listened to me. Moral of the story, if you have a problem with something makes sure you speak up to someone, so that you can get the best care, people can't read minds.
It's so cool to see two experts in totally different fields shine light on something from totally different angles. You get a way better picture than you would even if they just both examined it alone. Their ability to ask questions and their interactions also really elevate this.
My mum's a retired nurse and when I used to watch Grey's Anatomy she'd be pointing out all the things the hospital staff were doing wrong. It's was quite educational.
same, my dad is a doctor so he's always pointing all the show's mistakes
@@emsnotnice same 😭😭
That would be cool
My mom does the same thing!
I would happily watch a 2 hour stream of your mum commenting over episodes from the perspective of an IRL nurse.
They literally act like nurses don’t exist in this show 😭🤦🏽♀️
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well the one nurse that seems to still exist in the show at this point is Bokie, the others kinda faded into the background after Mark screwed a lot of them, Derek messed around with one, Alex and George dipped their hands into the same "honeypot" and started a Syphilis chain... or at least were involved in one... heck even goodie two shoes Bailey screwed around with Nurse... I'm gonna go with "Dimples" because I can't remember his name, but he had gorgeous dimples... you know, the one who fixed the fistulas problem. So yeah... since then they kinda started to act like the hospital was a square dance when they started exchanging partners amongst each other ( the doctors) and the nurses were seemingly spared.
the show was going to be called "Surgeons" before they settled for Grey's. So the surgeons have always been the main focus on the show... still, they wouldn't be able to do their job without nurses so I don't know why they virtually pretend they don't exist🤷🏻♀️
@@itwillend Lots of people IRL treat nurses like unskilled labor. A writer who does that IRL... is probably gonna write medical drama like that too.
Nurses are actually as important as doctors in hospitals
I got sent home from hospital once with some pain meds for pain in my uterus. I went back two days later and I had had internal bleeding and a twisted ovary for three days, but the male doctor just told me I was overreacting to period pain. Sometimes it depends on the doctor that you see!
Sue him!
@shadow4040 male doctors should never be a women's doctor 😭
@@shadow4040 your probably right, the older ones went to a much different kind of med school than the newer ones probably did with much more old fashioned advice
@@shadow4040 I work as a medical receptionist and I’ve seen the spectrum but unfortunately it’s not true always. The doctor I saw back then was in his 30s. It’s just frustrating
Dude thing is, I don't know who needs to hear this but period pains shouldn't be too intense. They can be bad, but if you legitimately feel like your guts are being scrambled and the pain is on a whole other level, you may have issues with your reproductive organs. It's not supposed to be that painful. It's only supposed to feel like cramps, that's why they're called cramps. So don't let anyone tell you you're overreacting to period pain. If it's too much, then it's too much. Get it checked.
Also, if you've had normal levels of period pain all your life, and then one day it's so painful you can't stand it, you still aren't overreacting. Get it checked. You know how it feels like usually, and this is not usual.
I remember going to the ER once and having what ended up being pneumonia and when the dr listened to my lungs he said, “whoa!” really loud. He then sent me home, saying, “I have no idea what’s wrong with you. Go see a pulmonologist.” 😂
“Don’t mingle with the ER interns. They don’t know their ass from their esophagus.” ~ Dr. Miranda Bailey
@@rebeccahawkes-cates3275the doctor was an er nurse so they probably weren't properly trained for something that bad
See, that's the best kind of doctor, the kind that doesn't write you off because he isn't sure what's going on and who wants you to get a good diagnosis
Doctor Mike: "But not just medically... we should do it legally."
Me: "I do think it would be unwise to do it _illegally,_ yes.🤔"
Lol
Nyahahahahah yes
Clarity.
Im just imagining him with a black ski-mask pretending to run away while reviewing something.
Specially when a lawyer is sitting right next to you, indeed :D
They never noticed because there’s no nurses in that hospital 😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
@Remy Buxaplenty same with pharmacists
oh the nurses/paramedics were there...when they needed them for the on-call room stuff for Mark and Bailey and Derek and basically every other main character or to panic in threatening situations (bomb episode)...or to be left at the altar (insert eye roll here) :D
Exaaactly 🤣
As a soon-to-be nurse, this was my exact reaction too.
😁😁😁😁
When my mom was in the hospital from a blood clot in her leg from taking birth control, she said she couldn't get any sleep because there was always someone coming in her room and checking on her. The fact that no one's checking up on him every hour is just ridiculous.
I love how Legaleagle said that the clothes are mostly irrelevant and then immediately followed up by giving the most advanced fashion criticism possible 😂
19:13 ''Why aren't people checking on him?'' LOL Killed me
Well sir this is Grey's Anatomy ... they were probably in some of the resting room in one of their steamy action scenes lol
I dk
Definitely my favorite line from this whole video
I'm a surgical nurse and I'm so bothered with the way they did their assessments🙈
This. lol
While crying probably XD
The simultaneous disgust at the "hon hon hon" was fantastic 😂
as soon as i heard it, i was like “whadidhesayyyy”
I was FURIOUS
what does it mean?
Right! Lol
@@manikantan4809 it’s kind of insulting to interrupt a woman and then call her hon. it’s actually really demeaning
I had horrible infected abscess on my face and when I went to the doctor she said “oh my god that’s really bad” I think about it a lot it’s really funny
I’ve had experiences like that before too lol. It’s like “girl I know”. But then, it does make me feel better to know that I’m not overreacting about the situation when a doctor confirms severity.
I had someone examining my back muscles and the first thing they said was 'oh theres a lot going on here'
several years ago I went to see my primary bc I'd been having classic UTI symptoms (don't need to get into all that, you know the drill) for a few days and after getting the results back from the urine test, she told me based on the amount of bacteria, "I just wish you'd come in sooner, that looks *really* painful!" which was funny but also just very validating.
“Thats full on necrosis” the disappointment in the doctors 🤣
These doctor dramas totally ignore that other medical professionals are important parts of them patient's care. Nurses and/or nursing assistants would have noticed problems much sooner, and notified the doctor.
I enjoyed Nurse Jackie because it comes the closest to showing how its really the nurses and assistants that do the leg work
I like Casualty that we have in the UK because it shows all members of staff, including people like porters
Chicago Med, highly recommend since it features doctors and nurses in the same room
@@hannahk1306 does it also show Pharmacists?
come on now, it’s all about callie
I love how it says malpractice episode like this whole show isn't a malpractice lawsuit waiting to happen 😂
Exactly
Cutting lvad
@@nont18411 exactly. can’t believe izzie did that
@@ricky_en Fans were mad at Penny for “killing Derek” and justified abuses that Meredith and Amelia did to her yet they are totally ok with Izzie doing this ON PURPOSE.
@@nont18411 everyone loves Izzie LMAO
I am loving Dr. Mikes optimism on how hospitals work. Have ABSOLUTELY seen this level of neglect in hospitals
"We don't say 'that sounds scary', 'thats good' 'thats bad'. It's either 'normal' or 'abnormal' and you keep it at that"
As someone who was on the receiving end of "thats bad" from a *doctor* as a 13 year old, it's *terrifying* to hear and, his following words of "tore the skin from the meat, meat from the muscle, muscle from the bone" all while I was awake and he was stitching my calf back together, haven't left my mind and its been almost a decade.
Was it a car accident or something?
@@allisond.46 really bad dog bite. According to my dad, the doctor was literally taking bits of muscle, rising it with saline, and putting it back in to stitch together. I remember hearing "if I had known it was this bad, I would've rushed here. All they wrote was dog bite, not how severe it was"
them both reacting in the same incredulous tone at the misogynist use of "HUN HUN HUN" is going on the list of why I respect these men so much
Yep, that's about on a level with addressing that lawyer as "boy". It's not about PC-ness, it's about taking condescending to a whole new level.
Though I suppose being able to condense "don't ya worry ya purty little head about it" into less than a second ... is impressive in a 'my head is about to explode' sort of way.
youre the 100th person to repeat that sentiment but you only got a few hundred likes instead of 3000 because you werent showing your cleavage lmaooooo
@@SobeCrunkMonster what did you mean please
@@mikevarshavski5258 imposter
@@SobeCrunkMonster something wrong with cleavage?
Dr. Burke said it best: “We [physicians] should be able to speak up without fear of retribution.”
Yea, it mak3s sense but nothing Burke says is good lmao
As with all things legal: it depends…
Accountability should probably be the main driving factor…
True... I so remembered Burke during all of this when I was watching the episode last year.
Learned about something colloquially referred to as ‘hairy hand’
I mean, shouldn't we *all* be able to do that?
When LegalEagle says, "And, then the lawyers make it right."... The look that Dr, Mike gives right after that literally made me laugh out loud. That was amazing. Thank you gentlemen, for excellent commentary and explanations. I love BOTH of your channels.
Earlier this year my father had a heart attack while he was in the hospital because he had an infection which had gotten into his blood stream (he is at 75% kidney failure and does dialysis at home)... his doctors and care staff didn't realize it had happened until Several Hours Later when they were doing their shift change reviews. Honestly though, it was a mild heart attack and my father had no clue that it had happened either until his room was suddenly flooded with 2 shifts worth of doctors and nurses. To their credit the medical team working with my father did an amazing job caring for him and we are very grateful to them.
The way they both spot sexism so fast is so hot
Tf?
@@clashnemesis3635 they way her lawyer was telling her to dress is misogynistic. They both saw it and were like owwwww that’s not right.
@@viennamikealson8757 oh I get it now. Ty
@@clashnemesis3635 and when the lawyer was calling her “hun” they were both like wtf?
wat?
My mom is a medical doctor, my dad is a lawyer. I think now I just need to put a TV screen frame on whenever they get themselves into aggressive discussion and pretend that I am watching a more aggressive version of Doctor Mike and Legal Eagle
Or you can film them for youtube and get millions of views huh
that's just amazing
Get on CZcams sir!
Please make them react to this video
wow your income must be insaneee ahah
"Some patients play their instruments during brain surgery"
Me who plays the piano: *classic music intesifies*
I had Necrotizing Fasciitis (Sp?), The Infection was on my back. They had to do several operations to remove it. The Doctors involved were my GP, the Surgeon, and a Infectious Disease Specialist. All checked on me every day.
Swear to god, the more I watch Devin and Mike, the more they look like brothers.
He’s half Russian, you never know
@@DoctorMike Now that's crazy and very interesting
@@DoctorMike 😂😂
Ok
Time for a callab with Henry Lewis Gates Jr.!! Finding Your Roots ❤
Love a lawyer who also knows his fashion
He worked in a big law firm in Manhattan you learn to style or not get jobs for big companies or investment groups
I n d o c h i n o
@@user-gu1sz9vi9e Washington DC IIRC
Yes yes I will be a stylish lawyer one day too
I mean I didn’t spend all that time in the closet for jothing
Unfortunately he is extremely biased and seems to let his politics heavily influence his legal acumen.
12:23 the reaction to the belittling 😆🥰 Love it when people recognize micro aggression for what it is. Men with common sense.
The crazy twist they don’t include is that she receives a recall letter on the specific hardware he wanted put in during surgery.. this being after the court case. It was the hardware that had caused the infection.
Two people very knowledgeable in their fields respectfully listening to each other and discussing their respective ideas. What a lovely video!
Seriously its so awesome to see. So much knowledge and wisdom in one video warms my heart😌
Your giving alot of credit to legal eagle. He uses big words but majority of the time has no idea what he's saying and is wrong
@@wontonsamurai6248 Oooooookkaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyy??
So.. sources?
@@noface3641 Especially because it's a pairing of a DOCTOR and a LAWYER. Normally, mortal enemies.
@@wontonsamurai6248 butthurt
The sponge board that Dr. Mike mentions doctors using to count sponges was actually popularized after a medical malpractice suit over a sponge when the plaintiff's attorney made one out of plywood and plastic to illustrate for the court how cheap and easy it would be for the hospital to track sponges
Wow, and a company went.... 'write that down! Write that down!'
@@fchow7132 They probably also charge $20k for it too
Is there any doubt that as a victim of malpractice early in my life, I want to do what it takes in order to create data which would force me to conclude that I do want to live (by demonstrating that I know that I can watch evidence of myself moving my body because I want to move it, and that I can imagine exactly how much impact there would be on me if I started "being determined"), and that I have no such data at the moment?
@@kamranrowshandel6395 This makes absolutely 0 sense
@@kamranrowshandel6395 are you high? 😂
We seriously need more of these collab vids. Law and Medicine are absolutely inseparable and listening to both sides (especially Legal Eagle and Dr. Mike) discussing cases is so fascinating and informative.
I used to work on the OR as a patient care tech and I remember when a surgeon left a bookwalter blade in a patient. It still blows my mind like how could you leave a whole bookwalter blade? Those things are huge. How was it missed??
What?! How?! That's insane
That man better have his medical license removed
My grandma had a blood clot in her stomach and the doctors didn’t believe that anything was wrong and thought she just wanted pain medication. By the time they found out she wasn’t lying it was too late and she ended up passing away sadly. My mom filed a medical malpractice case and ended up winning. Although it doesn’t make up the death for my grandma sadly 😔
That’s terrible, I hope you had a lot of good memories with her. I’m glad you at least won the medical malpractice case.
Hope your family was able to at least get tons of money from the hospital
Rip
I’ve read so many cases of people dying due to negligence by hospital staff because their _very real_ medical emergency was dismissed as someone “fishing for drugs”. It’s scary how common this is.
@@Mia-dt3gl they really need to cut down on the opioid seeker trend so that it won't be the first diagnosis that pop into their head
American healthcare IRL: "You need Insulin." "Well my insurance doesn't cover that." "That'll be a million dollars."
American healthcare on TV: "I WANT A NEW HIP BECAUSE I WANT TO SNOWBOARD FAST"
@misolou fout sleeping for 4 hours no matter who you are is bad
Edit: I mean doing it a lot, sleeping 4 hours once won't effect you that negatively (it won't do anything bad to your body, you'll only feel tired) but sleeping that little over and over again is bad, so for now you don't have anything to worry about, and if you're not feeling well go to a doctor.
Perhaps it's because he's a star athlete he can afford it.
The ammount of pro bonos they do on tv is insane, I don't think there's even a possibility that it happens irl
@@Hazy04 Sleeping that little every second day can have pretty bad cognitive and mental effects. Sleep is an essential part of memory retention and is when the brain organises itself, so only allowing it to do that intermittently will definitely have negative effects beyond tiredness :)
@@thisiscait yeah this is what I meant
I don't remember this episode to say for sure, however - At least from what was shown on screen, it doesn't appear Callie made any promises. She informed him that she had never performed the procedure, and that he (as a professional snowboarder) should likely not be her first patient for said procedure. She did still screw up a lot throughout the episode, though.
i love this because you’re both so knowledgeable, respectable, and listen to each other so intently. what a lovely video!!!!
I love how they both let each other talk and actually learn from each other
And ask intelligent questions.
* relationship goals *
Yeah, professionals will behave that way.
@@Ken_Pinkston goals imagine interacting with people and talking and then pausing to listen. Goals 😂
Edit: good dude redpill life lol! 👍
@@danielpruitt8550 Dare to imagine a world where people respectfully listen to others opinions even when they disagree, and might even change their perspective when presented new evidence.
That "shopping" analogy was perfect. The "customer is always right" bullshit has bled into medical and patients think they are being served and catered to instead of cared for professionally.
It doesn't help that we're inundated with commercials for drugs. "Ask your doctor if our drug is right for you."
Uh, how about I ask my doctor what medications he recommends for me? This isn't like buying a car because I like the color. I want the one that the professional thinks will give me the best chance at being healthy.
@@TheYakusoku right? I lived in Ireland for a short while and one thing they all agreed was odd to them was that Americans have drug commercials. That just doesn’t exist over there at all. And honestly, looking at it from their perspective, it’s weird af.
Yeah, I'm British and the American model of medicine creeps me out sometimes. I think our default position is the doctor knows best, unless you have a reason to question them or bring your own suggestions (like trying to find an unusual diagnosis)
Not just doctors. This is something that lawyers deal with too.
we see this most often in Pharmacies. Most people don't consider Pharmacists to be healthcare professionals
I actually had orthopedic surgery on my wrists and I had no idea that not having an immediate next day follow uo wasn't normal. Like the patient here, I also didn't go in for another 2 weeks. Now I'm glad nothing went wrong
I think the biggest mistake the patient here did was not coming back in with these symptoms. If fever stays and even rises and a wound shows clear signs of not healing as expected, back to the doc.
I guess we all had that minor cut or bruise. So we know how a wound is supposed to heal. If a wound looks weird and smells off, there is a clear sign that something isn't going how it's supposed to. And especially with a wound of this size you would double check to keep it clean.
And in case of this patient, his livelihood depended on a quick and clean recovery. So why would he disregard his health like this. It can't be for financial reasons (not towards the US healthcare system) because the patient admitted to the initial operation on his own will. An operation that wasn't necessary to save his life or drastically improve his condition.
Coming back 10 days after is actually pretty standard for most orthopedic surgeries. Even with total joint replacements, if the patient is still in the hospital they will be rounded on, otherwise we usually just call them and they have their first post-op about 10-12 days later. They contact us if they notice any signs of infection or if home health, if they have it, notices anything.
Really depends on the type and scale of the operation. I had a finger tendon repair under general anaesthetic- was discharged the same day and not seen again for a week when the dressing was due to come off. The operation itself was small so not risky to send home immediately.
A total hip replacement is a much bigger procedure, usually needs at least an overnight stay, and is rare to go home the day afterwards. Most problems occur in the first couple of days so they get picked up before discharge.
Elective surgeries are also much less risky than emergency or urgent surgeries for acute injuries, so the inpatient stay differs between them.
But generally, early discharge is good because hospitals are dangerous places if you don't need them (higher risk of complications like drug-resistant infections or venous-thromboembolism). It is usually pretty obvious if a surgery is healing poorly and getting reviewed from outpatients is typically very quick when post-op.
I would love to see you two take this on as a series. You have a lovely banter between you. Fantastic video. Highly informative as well. Thanks for the collab gents. I’m sure you’re both very busy in your own fields of practice. Keeping up with channels that produce such high quality content whilst still practicing in your respective fields is extraordinarily impressive. Kudos to each of you fellas and your teams 👍🏻.
**Medical twerking**
*Twerking like a doctor*
*NOOoooOOooooOOooOOO* *The twerking people have arrived here as well* *WE ARE IN DANGER*
@@hypno5952 *twerking like a nurse*
@@hypno5952 can someone please explain me this tweaking memes?
Excuse me? Thats malpracticious, i suggest you leave the twerking to medical QUEENS like me
Mike: Sooo.... can I get a crash course on Medical Malpractice?
Legal: Sure, any particular reason?
Mike: No, I just like learning.
"for a friend" Im sure
I really appreciate these crossovers. It’s really enjoyable and I really like hearing multiple kinds of sides to these breakdowns
I love seeing through the lens of different professionals and on top of that, seeing two different types of professionals reacting and sharing ideas on something.
I love how they’re both feeding each other questions because either of them are completely oblivious when it comes to each others professions lol
This is more or less a general *need* of lawyers. You will often be faced with situations where you know the legal statutes but in order to make sense of the material facts you will require at least a surface understanding of the fields involved. So lawyers have to broaden their general knowledge whether they like it or not, and medical malpractice is something that is topically discussed in law school.
I'm a law student who plans to specialize and work in IP, and I sometimes do case studies on different patent contentions. And I often find myself thinking funny stuff like "I don't know enough about agriculture to make sense of this case" XD
@@tudornaconecinii3609 being a lawyer feels like the most brain stimulating job possible
@@kyre4189 ikr lmao
The fact that they were just now noticing this blew me away, too. I had a hysterectomy earlier this year, and stayed in the hospital for three days following. The nurses and doctor visited so often to check my condition and how the surgical wound looked, I was on first-name basis with them.
It's always nice to have good relations with your doctors
Exactly. I've had three children, all c sections. Every few hours, I had incision checks, my stomach/uterus was pressed on to check if it was going down to size, and my bleeding was checked. I was there for three days with each one lol.
I mean that's the normal thing to do right? When you are an inpatient they have minimum twice a day round checking from the junior doctors and the chief or department head comes down atleast once a day. The nurses are on call and any sign of issues that is out of their expertise the doctors are immediately called, even if it is in the dead of night.
@@gowrishreevalli9495 on all of my units we check and document incisions at least every shift, do in depth evaluation during each dressing change (typically daily), and surgeons usually check at least daily if it’s a minor surgery - more often depending on acuity
I had a hysterectomy earloer this year, and was only in the hospital overnight. It was laparoscopic and robot-assisted, so perhaps there was less concern. They definitely did check the incisions, and did bloodwork, and checked vitals constantly. I went back in for a followup after three weeks, and have another coming up. The only aftereffect was a UTI.
I like how the doctor is going "This is wrong, this is also wrong" and the lawyer is loosing his frickin' mind
Oh my! My 2 favorite people! Legal Eagle and Dr. Mike. Thank you for this. More please....
“Hun, Hun, Hun??”
- Dr Mike & Legal Eagle in perfect sync
@Edward Miller 12:23
This Grey's patient has more going wrong with himself than a whole season of Dr. House patients.
But is it LUPUS thooooooooo
@@renekumar8290 it's never lupus
An unbelievable thing to do
Only because House would've called the patient an idiot for even thinking about the surgery like that, Cuddy would try to smooth things over so they didn't get sued and the guy would still be ok.
You just described the entire show!
I legit had a doctor that locked at a rash, and just said "OH." and then went dead silent for like a minute. And I'm sitting there like "Excuse me what does OH Mean????" 😂 (It turned out to be Lyme Disease btw)
My dumbasss read it as trash instead of rash 🤣🤦🏻♀️
The part where he mentioned physicians having people play music during brain surgery to make sure they don't mess it up is exactly what happened in an episode of Greys Anatomy
LegalEagle: This hospital has done all kinds of things that would be grounds for a medical malpractice lawsuit.
Dr House: Hold my Vicodin.
I want them to watch dr. House. Maybe it will be an hour long video. Hahaha
@@gemannepark4874 Interestingly enough, there was never a malpractice suit that I remember, though he was brought before a review board. Now, he was in court, but that was for his narcotics violations.
There’s an episode where a woman comes in with her child and he has a 103 degree fever that’s been goin on for days. They diagnose him with strep and send him home with meds. First, I’m sure a doctor would at least admit him for the super high fever and weird rash, right? And then, she comes back cause the fever jumped to 104. They literally call her crazy because she came back??? She literally had to fight just for him to be admitted. Apparently he had Kawasaki disease (or something) which SHE suggested, and it could’ve been diagnosed if they just checked his eyes, which were red (he was sleeping through all the visits, which I’m sure should’ve been another red flag that it wasn’t strep).
I love greys anatomy, but that episode irked me
Children with a fever over 102 degrees are SUPPOSED to be admitted for at least overnight observation!
@@sepporahk6102 I may be remembering this incorrectly but I’m pretty positive Meredith did every test she could think of and kept him for observations. I think the mum had taken her son to many other doctors who also told her her son was fine. Mer could only find signs of strep until she later found signs of something else but I don’t really remember it so well. I’d have the watch the episode again but they did their job pretty well for what the symptoms were :)
So I'm just responding to this comment alone (since I don't watch the show) and honestly... it sounds accurate for how far some people have to fight in order to get a correct diagnosis. E.g. My mother was eating less and less but gaining more and more weight, to the point of being unable to fit in a skirt she bought merely a month earlier. She was not sexually active. She was told numerous times it was just fat. Surprise! Cancer.
I have endless respect for doctors but some of them do need to listen to their patients more. (On the bright side, that particular doctor was humbled a little bit at least with my mother and myself after that.)
@@macybentley6486 I don't believe Meredith got involved until after she had came to the hospital twice. Jo was the one who kept insisting it was strep (even though the boy still had a very high fever and never even opened his eyes for the duration of the check up). Meredith actually did pretty well and did eventually admit them, but the mom of the boy was fighting way harder than she should've. (The episode has a theme of mom's intuition, which is why Meredith, a mom, decided to believe the boys mom. My guess is that they just made it way harder than it should've just to make that theme known or something)
Like, just saying, the solution to this was easy. Check his eyes. That's literally the last thing they did. I'm pretty sure examining the patient directly is, like, very important for a doctor. We never see the doctors (Jo or Meredith) talk to or examine the boy, only talk to the mother. If they did, off screen, I'm sure they might've caught it. It's not like his eyes got red conveniently right before Meredith thought of checking them (because of a disease the boys mother suggested).
These two are an awesome collab that I've seen from a lot! I'd like to see their take on the Good Doctor's episode (or story arc, I'd say) where a baby passed away from improper medicine that was expired, leading to a lot of medical and legal things that would make more sense to me if I heard from professionals like them.
I absolutely adore Legal Eagle and have watched just about every last video, and am a recent fan of Dr. Mike and very much enjoy your content as well!! Seeing the both of yous together is grand : ) You are both not only so incredibly knowledgeable in your respective subjects, but such talented presenters. You both do such a very good job of asking each other pertinent questions to prompt interesting information and assessments, and this is truly such a joy to watch! Learnt a lot! : )
I sued once. Missed Diagnosis on my mom. The lawyer was fantastic at explaining what happened in layman’s terms. I miss my mom, but she got justice. From the jury being chosen to the end-my mom got justice. RIP I love you mom.
Ah, that's so unfortunate. Hope all's good now
What kind of justice though? Monetary or jail time or license revoke? The second is justice, the first is helpful to pay for services and whatnot but it would be hard to see it as justice. Malpractice insurance pays it out doesn't it?
Missed diagnosis isn’t always negligence, not every body is the same but it can happen.
@@tsemiu ...financial compensation can be justice what are you talking about, you don't even know the specifics here. not everyone needs to send someone to jail in every situation smh
@@Rubiecat no, it's not justice. Doctors don't even pay that out.
I love how they both reacted to the lawyer calling Jo “hun”.. both such professional and respectful men
that lawyer who called her hun was so condescending
This great, I love listening to the real story in these Greys Anatomy episodes, so thanks Doc for explaining what actually happens in these medical situations and also the legal side of things😊😊👏🏽👏🏽
I watch both you guys separately and it was super cool to see two youtubers ya follow come together in the same room. Loved it. I get more hyped for this sort of thing than i do for hollywood movies nowadays.
Bout freaking time. Also love how they stop the whole show to critique the lawyers fashion sense in the elevator.
Something similar happends with me but on the lawyer side. My dad has to correct every single legal mistake in a movie or tv show.
The last thing I wanna hear before going under the knife is, "O, Dark Lord, accept our sacrifice!" But I suppose multiple "craps" is a close second, followed by "Now, where did I put my glasses" and "Whatdya MEAN you're divorcing me?" as tied for third.
@Mario Castillo inflammable means flammable?
The only time I had surgery was in 2007 for appendicitis, the last thing I heard before going under was myself commenting on how the table felt like it wasn't wide enough for me.....at least, I assume I mentioned it out loud. A lot of factors contributed to making that whole 4th of july week a bit hazy.
@Mario Castillo ...Ok, that takes the new number two slot, so the others get pushed down.
I had my dentist go "whoops" when pulling out my tooth. He broke a piece lol I don't wanna hear thaaaat
The last thing I remember before going under for a laparoscopic surgery for the first time was a doctor I'd never met before and who was not my surgeon sorting metal instruments that were in a big metal tray thing, so there was a loud clinking noise every two seconds. Literally the last thing I remember was asking who he was. I think my brain went all "and end scene" at the wrong time but it was really weird to wake up and have that be the last memory.
The surgery went great though.
Love how educational this was! Looking forward to any future collabs
I have only been hospitalized when giving birth. Two of the four times, I had C-sections. And oh ma god! The number of times I saw doctors and nurses was incredible! It seemed like I couldn't rest much because there was always someone coming in the room. Taking vitals, checking the incision, poking, prodding, asking two thousand questions. And I'm glad they did! My incision healed well, and the worst issue was some constipation. I wouldn't have been left alone long enough to get a infection, let alone have one so bad they needed to do surgery.
Idea for another collab 💡:Watch season 16 episode 8 where Meredith goes to court and her medical license is reviewed and one of the panelists is (spoiler) the man responsible for McDreamy’s passing
Yess 👍🏼😊
Ngl I don’t think he would be 100% on Meredith’s side lol. On a medical standpoint she has made a lot of mistakes that would lead her irl to have her lisence taken away
That's the one I suggested on LegalEagle's channel! I hope they do it!
yes perfect (Although while most people would say Grey has made too many mistakes and should have her license taken away I disagree)
McDreamy died???? :(
I don’t know why his savage roast of that 2 tone shirt was just absolutely hilarious 😆 he really didn’t hold back
I could hear him talking about men's fashion for an hour he was so impassioned😂
This video was fascinating! You were talking about having regular follow ups after procedures, but that has not been my experience. That is really good to know! I had a skull reconstruction surgery for Chiari Malformation. I met my surgeon for maybe 5 minutes prior to the procedure. I never saw him again and never got a call from his office. I was told to follow up with my PCP so he could do pain management, but they weren't able to get me in till almost 2 weeks post op. It was not a great experience recovering from major surgery with no pain meds for the first two weeks.
I loved this. Both are knowledgeable and ask good questions for the other to answer. For it content or curiosity, I love it!
"He's a victim of a terrible medical writer." --my mom
I love your mom's humour ! 😅
hahaha savage
that's amazing lmao
As a digital artist, I have to say, psychology of color is a thing and colors absolutely do matter, just in a subtler way. We associate different colors with different ideas and feelings, and they can even evoke feelings in us, just by seeing them. Edit: this is about the portion where the lawyer in the show was scrutinizing the color of outfit the defendant wore.
Absolutely. Couldn't agree more.
I agree with you 100%.
i mean, everything matters to an extent when trying to give off a certain impression on someone.
Which colors would be recommended then?
@@mrs.mo7 That's not the point.
This is incredibly entertaining for me. I always feel like I’m watching a dumb little clip in my pass time (not in a bad way at all) but also learning so much! Love them both for doing this.