Intense Disappointment: The Metal Gear Solid Master Collection V1
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Every remaster should pass the John Linneman test.
THIS!!! 🤩🤩🤩
Then nothing would come out
@@djtomoy Not true. If you watched the video you’ll see that John mentions a few that he likes. I’ve also seen some stellar remasters. Look at the work Bluepoint and Nightdive put out.
@@Roach22Nightdive for sure.
I am truly shocked Konami would disrespect their own legacy for a quick cash grab.
they did it before with Silent Hill collection and metal gear survive lol
I am not surprised lol
There's sarcasm in that statement, right?
You are shocked, at Konami, doing a cash grab? Riiiight
This is part of the Konami playbook, how are you shocked?
Should’ve called it MGS: The Konami Experience
The PS2 just keeps holding its value.
Id rather play on ps5
@@reyjimenzenjoy your watered down product
More like ps3. Legacy collection is by far best way to play
@@drunkensailor112 it really is, and I've noticed the price of that game has recently shot up as well
@@drunkensailor112don’t even talk about ps3 games and shooting up, entire market is a joke now. Glad I never sold a ps3 title i bought.
Deep down I knew it would end up like this but I was hoping it would not turn out this way 😢
Given everything Konami has done the last few years, I honestly would've been shocked if it had turned out better than it did. "Laziest possible port" is exactly what I expected they'd do. I can't wait to see how they butcher MGS3 in that remake.
The games fine.
@@paulcici3721
1. Emulator that comes with MGS1 is bad.
2. No proper PC controls for MGS2/3 and having to mod the game to fix the render resolution.
The games are amazing, but this is not how you do a PC release. This is bare minimum. Even the console versions could be better.
I feel you 😢
Quick cash? Do people really think a single metal gear solid game is worth less than $9 and not only that, but in today’s economy? It’s literally 5 full metal gear games + 2 cannon and digital graphic novels. People are calling Konami greedy but not realizing the value in any of this? Bizarre times. CZcamsr culture is beyond negative at this point. Enjoy the games or just don’t get them. If you have the originals, then you’re doing just fine anyways, let others buy it. Oh my goodness 😂
Konami played us like a damn fiddle!
DF the Diamond dogs. Fighting the true fight amidst the war.
Konami did exactly what I expected them too, frankly.
kojima dodged a bullet with this one
I agree so hard with the sentiment here. This was a golden opportunity for konami to win good will with very little effort and cost, and to give us something we all wanted. Even then, they *still* couldn't be bothered to do that. It's not good enough. I was ready to slap the cash down, and instead Konami slapped us all with disrespect and contempt.
They would have earned my purchase if they'd been able to maintain the stability of the original HD releases and delivered the up-converted 1080p they promised (even that would be a pathetic offering in 2023) but they couldn't even be bothered to do that. Screw them. The gameplay for MGS Delta has not earned them any points either. It looks like a fanmade unreal engine demo.
I’m glad DF covered this before its release and mentioned and how lacklustre the port was. I was willing to pre-order this one but so glad I didn’t. They will not receive a penny from me. They only need to update for current gen, it’s not rocket science 🤦🏻♂️
yeah their is no good will or faith with this product, it's just uncaring hate
@@mphylo2296 the new versions look so washed out and their texture filtering is somehow worse, what the fuk they do to make the bluepoint remasters even worse is beyond me
What do you mean? It's exactly what it said on the tin, its just the original games
This was a proper and well deserved dragging of Konami and I very much enjoyed it. Absolute frauds running Konami right now.
Capcom isn’t much better, releasing RE4Remake with no DLSS or even DualSense features is ridiculous and they refuse to patch into the game because they’re lazy just like Konami
It's really the devs. The blame can go to the people listed in the credits of the master collection...
@@casedistortedthat is absolutely nowhere near as bad. RE4 remake is an amazing game. Despite those small things. What Konami did was pointless.
You're typing like a tool.
this is not just a disappointment this is betrayal
It's truly sad how Konami has changed over the entire time I play video games. It once was a 8 & 16 Bit powerhouse, they had so many really awesome titles...
Well it all started with Kojima ruining the company.
@@Noname15514How ?
@@Noname15514 nah, he's been gone for years and the leadership has consistently shown they have no idea what they're doing. he was their golden goose and they just got too greedy
@@MrSpineduke What you said was a lie. Where's your facts that proves what you said is true?
@@clementnunes5070 5 likes for "How ?"? You fanboys are very insecure.
Bluepoint: *(holds up HD Collection)* "I made this"
Konami: "...I made this"
Absolutely baffling how anyone at Konami possibly thought that this was the right move. Forgoing the easiest PR slam-dunk of all time with some of their biggest fans, in favor of a cold "if we spend precisely this amount of money, our calculations suggest that enough people will bite for it to still show up as a technical positive on the balance sheet" scheme. I feel SO bad for the team that had to work on this, it must have been truly heartbreaking to be a part of.
i would go straight into deep depression
first I would be totally excited and then the management would force me to push out a bad product on purpose
this 100%, we should write a book on how this bizarre company thinks.
The issue with MGS2 mentioned at 4:51 has gotten FIXED as of 3 days ago approximately. It can now be played in 4K without any issues.
"FIXED" ?
Are these guys seriously complaining about NES/PS1/PS2 games not playing at 4k?
Good lord.
@@Freakazoid12345Yes! Apparently they fought that the company had made some uppscaling or real remaster of the original game source. So! They are complaining about that the product isn't what the fought it would be. And I makes me laugh. Becouse it makes this guys look like a mature. As their are no info that I ha e seen where the company did say that the collection would be anymore the. The original game whit some extra material.
Thank you John for being the only person anywhere on the internet to address my questions about the old pressure sensitive PS2 buttons. I really wanted to know how they intended to handle it with this collection since there is no equivalent on modern controllers.
GManLives did address this elsewhere on the internet
They addressed that with the 360 release, a console that did not have pressure sensitive buttons.
This was addressed years ago with the Xbox 360 version not having any pressure sensitive buttons.
@@FlyBirdit was addressed in a slightly different way, interestingly enough. On Xbox, you had to hold down L3 and release the weapon button in order to put the gun away, as an example.
In the MC, you just tap L3 and Snake puts away the gun. You can actually use a single tap of L3 for Snake to raise his gun, then either tap it again to put it away or use the weapon button to fire. Pretty interesting change.
Thank you John L and Team for saving me 59.99! This is exactly what I feared would happen after the Silent Hill HD Collection.
I know Konami doesn't care about the Metal Gear Solid franchise, but I hope someone high enough sees this/these videos.
Digital Foundry not being provided review codes for any "Metal Gear Solid: Master Collection Vol.1" version speaks volumes on Konami's self awareness about this no effort/cash grab $59,99 720p scam which is still, shamelessly, promoted by all those self-proclaimed Metal Gear "experts" who signed non disclosure agreements with this ex japanese gaming company in exchange of free review codes and other themed worthless merchandise.
Eyup.
I agree with you, Joe.
it's not 60, there are no regional pricing so it's above 60 in many places. Not that it's even worth that if this was a good port, i ain't paying that much for a freaking ps2 game
Shill sellout CZcamsrs are a dime a dozen these days. The industries gaming media outlets aren't really trustworthy either. I agree basically.
@@tylerhill40 PythonSelkan yeh.
I refunded my Steam version of the Master Collection yesterday and I guess the next days will have a high increase in the refund rate since the two weeks deadline for refunds (including pre-orders because their deadline begins on the official release day) ends at November 7 - because Konami did basically nothing to fix the situation via hotfixes and proper communication of the next steps which would be crucial to avert refunds in this critical time window. It's likely Konami does not care about this anyway.
they aren't used to fan feed back, most fo the time they just ignore and listen to......idk wtf but they just do what they think would hypothetically make money
Refunded?
For what?
@@Freakazoid12345 when you grow old enough to not wet your baby bed then we will tell you
Kojima seen the writing on the wall with Konami a long time ago.
On Series X the HD collection has 2X MSAA and 16X AF, this has zero of both
Hopefully the PC version gets that added via mods lol.
@@james_nolan They can be turned on in Nvidia Control Panel. No mods needed.
@@CaliKorleone Didn't even think about that 🤣
This new MGS collection makes me feel like that sad scene in the Godfather movie :
"look how they massacred my boy"
would have been a day 1 purchase for me... but it's such a disappointment
If you are considering giving money to gambling company - you should re-evaluate your moral compass. Just pirate the game and emmulate on PC.
This could have been such an easy home run for Konami... we weren't asking for remasters. I think we all had the "Nightdive Studios touch" expectation; proper widescreen support, unlocked framerate, remappable controls, and cloud saves. What we got was an incredibly lazy straight port (and somehow worse quality). And i thought "okay, restricted resolution and frame rate, I can atleast get it and enjoy on Steam Deck" Nope, doesnt work there lol. What an absolute disappointment.
Works on steam deck with some minor tinkering, not sure why but the master collection version of mgs3 runs better on the deck than when I emulate the ps2 version. There are tinker tutorials on CZcams showing how to get the collection up and running in a few minutes.
@@TMNT_4EVERthe PS2 game was capped at 30fps and had quite a lot of dips. These new versions being based on the blu point remaster at least are 60fps
imagine buying this on consoles where it will likely be abandoned, like lol that's so pathetic, they might as well not exist there
@@rorynolan2322 what do you mean based, they are the bluepoint versions
@@MGrey-qb5xz as in these are basically ports of the remaster that blu point did on the 360/ps3
I was hoping that Konami is making a new start with this, but no, they are still Konami. Very sad. It looks like the company is being run by accountants rather than gaming specialists.
They won't so long as the same people run the company from the top. I'm talking about Kagemasa Kōzuki and his entourage.
yeah they money pinch like crazy for some reason, like did they forget what this ip means to the gaming community?
@@flamegod7 it is a family compnay after all
THANK YOU FOR SAYING TWIN SNAKES SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THERE JOHN! I've been saying this since the announcement!
the dumbass cuck metal gear sub reddit was hating on anyone saying twin snakes and snake eater 3d should also have been in there to justify the 60-70 dollars price point, they can have this instead
Yeah quite liked it on the cube, handsome game too for that generation.
Twin snakes sucks, I don't get this modern revisionist history about the game
@@SomeGuy_Somewhereits not "revisionist" it's a differing opinion. You're not revising a base fact about the game by defending it, because its simply not; it's subjective.
'a profound disappointment' worded excellently
To be honest I knew it all along, Konami just don't make games anymore. After the fall out with Kojima in 2015 they just stopped making games, they even killed off theyre football game PES. And after all this time they decided to make easy money selling older games with minimal effort. And people were happy that Konami is back, making classic game collections remaking one of the best theyre games MGS3 alongside with Silent Hill 2. But Konami is not back they just don't have the staff to make games, because they are not making games for a long time now. They hired some people to make this collection and hired external studios to make MGS3 and SH2 remakes. And I have really bad feeling about MGS3 remake knowing the fact that all audio will remain the same as in original. For me that sounds not like a remake, but more like a remaster. I don't have big hopes for future Konami projects.
Pro Evolution Soccer was for many years the best football game available , it used to wipe the floor with FIFA year after year. How the mighty have fallen.
@@James-os9ku that was in the ps2 days, ever since fifa 09 on the ps3 fifa has been and arguably still is the best football game in the market
"Spectacular lack of ambition" I'm stealing that!
I wonder what Hideo Kojima is thinking....
Konami continues to live up(down?) to my subterranean expectations .
First we got remasters “now” we landed in shitty remasters territory with GTA Trilogy and this atrocity.
Even though it is Konami, i was honestly expecting better. the Castlevania collections that have been released lately were all FANTASTIC and go above and beyond what they needed to be. To see they did the absolute bare minimum for Metal Gear.....its just sad.
Konomi sourced Castlevania out I'm told?
@@Rage-td9wvTo M2 who also did this. It’s a budget issue. I would love to know how much money, resources and time M2 had to work with.
I also hate that the only version you can crouch walk in metal gear 3 is the 3ds version. Others you go straight into a crawl.
You mean it's like the original game like it was intended?
3DS version actually came with some enhanced visuals over the PS2 version.
@@paulcici3721 no you could actually walk while crouching. Not crawling.
@@paulcici3721Dont deny it man, crouch walking would feel completely natural in a game like MGS 3. QoL improvements are what these "remasters" need.
3ds version on a new 3ds with the nub-stick is great. It still blows my mind they got that game on 3ds.
I can't believe someone is surprised by this...
I am playing the metal gear games for the first time and I'm having an absolute blast.
But it is sad that there is so much unrealised potential :/
PC version with the resolution mod makes the MGS 2 and 3 look amazing. A few options turned on in Nvidia Control Panel and its even better.
All the investments went into marketing, which was actually pretty great.
Konami strikes again
"Konami is Konami and Konami is the worst." - James Stephanie Sterling.
Konami is a wet towel on a cold day😢
I think they spent the bare minimum to produce the bare minimum for maximum profit. It is likely to help fund their slew of giant projects underway like Snake Eater remake and the 3 Silent Hill games in development.
Makes me feel good about passing on this collection
That early investment in backwards compatibility by XBox is really paying off as several of these remake ports aren't done with quality in mind.
lol digital owners can't redownload it now
This is the reason to why I’m passing on this trilogy. I wanted it so bad but I hope maybe. Just maybe they will fix it and do some upgrades and then I’ll think about getting it.
I still wouldn't give them my money even if they tried to patch it. Will never run 100% correctly in Konami's hands.
The internet is overreacting, as usual. The collection is decent.
I mean its worse then emulators
@@vladik87genuinely how is it decent? On a system with 20x the power it still runs at half the frame rate of the original. That’s genuinely absurd. My vita has the superior version.
@@jacobsabastian3871 you talking about the Switch? As far as I know, it runs fine and with the frame rates on PS5.
And fyi, this frame rate obsession in gamers these days is becoming obnoxious.
Suggesting the use of AI to replace the voice talent of Paul Eiding is not the way to go. Paul has spoken recently about this subject and is 100% against the use of AI to replace voice actors and is taking action within the industry to make sure this doesn’t happen. Konami could have contacted and paid him to say a half a dozen lines to do with console specific button inputs. I’ve spoken with him previously and he’s a lovely guy who very much still loves the series and the fans that keep it alive. It would be beyond disrespectful to replace his voice with AI, even for such a small portion of his characters speech.
Exactly, nearly all the VA for Metal Gear are down to record additional lines. ANd most of them won't even require additional animations too. But this remaster is so damn lazy so that's why they couldn't even contact any of them as well as the countless graphical laziness.
i'm a big fan of ai, but i agree with not using it for big commercial projects like this. it's great for indie projects that just couldn't be made without it though
@@voyagerrock1137nah, not even that. There are thousands upon thousands of free voice actors that just want to help with any project they can that would be infinitely better than AI. Source: I’m one of them.
not just disrespectful, but illegal.
any AI voice has to be used with permission and has to cost more then if they do it manually to encourage physical work, what these companies are getting with it should be 100% illegal by state law. Mfs can send us cease and desist letters for pirating right, then we kick them out of our nations if they do stuff like using voices without permission and not heavily compensating.
Not really surprising. Konami is barely a game company these days and when they do release stuff it's slap dash garbage. This thing was always going to be a hastily put together low effort cash grab. Anyone expecting more from Konami probably hasn't been paying much attention to them these last few years (I don't blame you, they've barely released anything in the last 5 years). If you see Konami on the box, just avoid it no matter how nostalgic you may be for some of the IP they own. Konami only cares about milking that nostalgia for a quick buck, don't be their victim.
Has anyone noticed the PS4 version of MGS1 does not have bilinear filter blur? I've seen nobody mention this.
Some people are just happy with the option to reply these classics
I was so pumped to have this collection on switch to play and chill on couch or bed with headphones. But they’re not even on the cartridge?!
They’re not getting my money.
People need to understand none of these gaming companies are the same ones that made their greatest games years ago.
Hell, often they aren't even that same company that made that great game that is now making an immediate sequel.
There are too many moving parts in this medium to trust a dev will keep churning out hits. Wait until the reviews are in.
I've been a HUGE Metal Gear fan since the days of the NES so this was a day one purchase for me. I've already purchased the games several times including both the Vita and 3DS versions and even an obscure game called "The Document of Metal Gear Solid 2".
I opted for the Steam Deck version so that I could play it on the go and the smaller screen would make the graphics more tolerable.
Game was absolutely broken.
-On certain games, the buttons wouldn't match the on screen prompt.
-The music player was completely silent.
-MGS3 and MGS2 wouldn't launch at all (now they launch but there's no voice acting)
-The bonus content won't even download.
It's a shame, really.
I saw this coming from Planets away. Ill likely pick this up if it goes down to a $20 or less sale. Likely just wait for MGS4 if that's not riddled with issues
Wow. That really sucks.
The whole thing stank. But our noses had been out in the cold too long...
This is actually a relief because it means I don't have to buy this collection or abandon the progress on my Steam Deck / emudeck playthroughs 😅
Metal Gear Solid 2 looks great on PC if you use the resolution mod to play it in 4K. Then I use Reshade to add SMAA and Adaptive Sharpening.
Shouldn't expect much from Pachinkonami
I actually just emulated MGS 1&2 on my Series S using dev mode. Was a great experience (besides no native widescreen presentation) and I've become a major Metal Gear fan. couldn't get into the 3rd game but I didn't give it a huge chance. I still love Snake Eater for the Ape Escape Crossover.
Is there another patch coming out? The trophy won't unlock for completing the VR missions. Will a new patch fix it? Thanks.
I was all hyped for this. I have the PS3 version but wanted a definitive version for my Steam library. I ended up skipping out on this. Maybe I'll pick it up on sale and do the mods later...
The definite ways to play these games as of now for the best experience regarding visuals and performance in my personal experience:
MGS1 - PS1 version with Duckstation emulator.
MGS2 - PC Master Collection with the MGSHDFix
MGS3 - PC Master Collection with the MGSHDFix
For 2 and 3 I initially recommended PC with V's Fix and 360 emulation respectively. But with those HD fixes the locked 720p res issue on MC.
Moments of dissapointment like these are what makes me wish that Metal Gear Solid was a Capcom owned franchise. It would get the treatment and respect it deserves. Really makes me question how well the Remake will be done for MGS3 now. I hope that is not messed up and I really hope they do a great job with it.
Alex's suggestion to decompile the game is how bluepoint works. That's what they did for MGS2 and 3. They did that so that they can use the game data that shipped on the disc, instead of going through archived data
Obviously not surprised but very disappointed that this isn't better. I was absolutely ready to get this but I can't justify the asking price it if Konami aren't willing to put the effort in. Here's hoping that they patch it and make it what it should've been from the start.
Hmmmm it’s almost like Konami has a problem with Kojima led games…..
I think the HD collection is awesome. Been enjoying it on my PC
Yup, it's great.
But I guess you actually have to like the series in the first place.
I enjoyed everything about this clip. Konami, this is why you’re not getting my money.
I will keep my ps3 until I’m an 80 year old man just to keep this series and the pressure sensitive controls.
The Tomb Raider remaster is coming. I wonder how they are going to deal with the lack of pressure sensitive buttons.
If they don't know how to configure an emulator, they should have asked the community. Ultimately, the price is the insult.
I still want to finally own these on PC but I'll wait for a sale
Not even Duckstation can fix MGS geometry.
I bought it for #1 and really really regret it
Note to self;- blow past the MGS MC and hold off for MGS delta
It´s pachinKonami, disappointment is what they do best.
What an unforced error. Chutes and ladders with these clowns.
They continue to disappoint with the way they treat their ip's and the fans of their ip's. Such an incredible franchise that deserves better treatment. This was a perfect oppurtunity to try and gain our trust back, prove that they do care and that they are going to make more of an effort in the future. it's great that I can actually play these games on a modern console but lets hope they learn from this and the remake is in better shape.
I guess I’ll never experience the MGS experience.
If you’ve got a PC no reason not to emulate.
No, Instead you get the “Konami Experience”.
welcome to the modern gaming, where no experience is left untainted!! hope you enjoy your stay
Which is why I'm original software on original hardware and I keep everything around. For mgs I play them on legacy collection on ps3 and with mgs1 I play the twin snakes version on gamecube
@@drunkensailor112I do the same! But I absolutely endorse emulation too!
It's a fantastic way to preserve every version of these classics (Yes, looking at you Metal Gear Touch... You deserve to exist too honey.)
I’ve been enjoying the master collection, only thing I’m mad at that is we paid $20 for 2 versions of MGS1 and 3 versions of VR missions, they should have parlayed with Nintendo and had TTS and Integral version of MGS1.
I really do not understand the disappointment. Konami never said they would remaster much less remake the games. Since they announced it, it was very clear to me what the collection would be. I think the gaming community (Especially CZcamsrs) sometimes creates these weird over the top expectations and they end up getting disappointed. Not because of what the developer did or didn't do, but because the fantasies they created. I already owned the Xbox 360 HD collection. All I needed to complete the collection was MGS 1. Good thing it was sold separately.
You dont understand the dissapointment when its worse in every regard than the previous collection on ps3? That had more games, a higher res, ran better, had a physical booklet with promotional art from the series, almost 10 years ago....for only 40 bucks....
The new collection taken on its own is "fine", sure. But what is the excuse that this couldnt be at least as good as the previous one? And is that a unreasonable expectation?
Also I dont get your "since it was announced it was clear....".....so what? Plenty of peole were already expecting a lackluster collection back then but were told to shut up because "the game isnt out yet, how would you know" and now it turns out to be lackluster and we get chuckleheads like you saying "yeah well, you shouldve known" xD
I thought it was all 1080p except for the Switch? That’s what their spreadsheet thing showed us 😮
This needs to be given even more exposure to really hit home to the devs and how lacklustre this entire port is. I don’t expect anything less from Konami these days though and this just proves it.
F Konami. Another opportunity to rebuild some trust...wasted again.
Really hope Bluepoint do Soul Reaver Legacy of Kain.
Waiting till the case version is £20
I confess to buying the Switch version, which was ill-advised I see now.
I just wanted to have these masterpieces in my collection, and figured the smaller handheld screen would favor the Switch version.
I have the HD version on the Vita, I wonder if MGS2 and 3 look better on the it that on the Switch.
I'm watching what we do in the shadows and john reminds me of guillermo 🤣
The lack of Solid Snake Skateboarding is what did it in for me 😞
I’m not surprised, if it’s not done in house most likely it won’t be good unless the third party developer is good at remakes which I don’t think it’s too many. That why don’t snapped up blupoint. I know Konami don’t have game developers.
I wish this Master Collection never happened. Because without it we may have at least got MGS1 on PS+ Premiums backwards compat' titles. But now we have this version released I can't see that ever happening 😞
Yeah, I'll just keep playing the HD Collection and original MGS1 disc on my PS3
Why are we still here ? Just to suffer? Damn you Konami !!
The fans care more about the games than the owners
I would love a Splinter cell collection on ps5 1-Blacklist. Hey, even include Essentials
So, how about that new *The Day Before* announcement?
Sakurai loves MGS more than Konami does
I don’t disagree that the port was not good, but it was complete at least it even included VR Missions which I wasn’t expecting, I’m glad they released it I hope they take these criticisms to heart going forward if they’re doing more rereleases, I am still glad Metal Gear Solid is on the PlayStation 5 now.
Did they even bother to renew the license for all that historical footage they took out of the HD collection? Or did they not even bother to do that
We actually do have a clarification on that. It was confirmed the original license holders of the footage no longer exist (the company), so they had to replace it.
Sounds like this collection was not Written, Produced, Directed, and remastered by Hideo Kojima.
I had planned on this collection to be my way to experience these games for the first time. Not anymore.
Disappointed too but I get why the Shield version is the same as the Switch because of the TEGRA chip