Thing is he does it because he's talking with Arthur's friends or acquaintances but in rd1 we don't see any of his friends the only guys that knew Arthur were guys like Dutch
Well yeah, because he wants them to understand why he is the way he is. He even tells Mary-Beth that "I don't talk about him, but always think about him".
When that happened when I was playing, I always thought John couldn’t help but wish to connect with an old friend about Arthur, to let it be known that Arthur died a good man. And I found it sad but also realistic that everyone else was in a hurry to leave, or to not really talk about it, because they moved on with their life. And the fact that John was the one who brought it up showed us that he didn’t move on like Arthur told him to.
There’s a mission in the first RDR .. where John and Bonnie are riding into Armadillo.. and Bonnie brings up Abagail .. then mentions how John never talks about her .. John says he doesn’t talk about her but she’s never far from his thoughts… I suspect something similar with Arthur
@@AnthonyBlamthony I agree actually, it’s great especially since it parallels with John’s kill line in RDR1 of “I’ll see you again in hell, my friend” I was just going for a funny meme one lol
I think he said it best when talking to Mary-Beth; “Arthur saved my life before he passed. I don’t talk about him, but I think about him all the time.”
Technically, you don't *have* to end it that way, you could just . . . not press the button again, when you know the conversation is probably over. Generally, they don't last much more than two or three lines of dialogue, per person, so it's not that hard.
John when Jack asks about Arthur: John when literally any random stranger walks up to him: Did you ever hear the tragedy of Arthur Morgan? It's not the kind of story the law would tell you.
Hey felt like it since it’s a prequel why bother getting it but my brother got it so I decided why not and man that was one of the best damn stories I have ever experienced. Arthur is a top tier character much like John.
Arthur is the only game character ever that made me feel like I had lost a true life friend, I miss him to this day, and still think back on the time I spent with him, the good decisions I encouraged him to make, and the ultimate sacrifice he made for John and his family
Losing tv/movie/game characters or those medias finishing up, is the same as when we lose a friend in real life. We experience grief which is why it makes you so sad, because your brain computes that as the death of a friend.
@@Barcodez5555 I already played those games. Yes the brain does, but your consciousness should be able to differentiate between reality or you got serious problems.
Depressing how if you think about it, Arthur and John were raised as brothers, I can’t imagine how hurt on the inside John must be about his own brother being gone forever.
@@nikolailijovski7022Now I know how dutch feels when he thinks someone just said something stupid. WAIT WHAT?! THEY WERE BAD PEOPLE?! WHO WOULDA THUNKEDED?!! It's not like the two damn games have the word redemption in the title.
When I played through the game a second time, I wanted to play through with really low honor. And I just couldn’t do it, man! I couldn’t make Arthur be a bad guy. It’s too hard seeing my precious main character suffer
I literally restarted the game over the weekend for a low honor play through. Im still at first camp and high honor is nearly maxed xD. I cant do it... lol
It’s wild, I remember I wanted this ending so bad at the end of red dead 1. Just an infinite end game living happily with John’s family on the farm. But instead John dies and I just never really loved jack the same way. I found him jarring, even the way he talks to his horse I found less intimate and it made me want John back. Then at the end of red dead 2 my wish finally came true but now all I can do is think about how much I miss Arthur. And the whole dream just kinda feels like a lie. Bittersweet in the truest sense of the word.
I always thought with the herding mechanic in RDR1 and when you went to get cattle you'd actually do some ranching, that mechanic was stressed very early in the game and I thought it would have more of a use. After McFarlane's, you probably use it twice more.
something i saw in another comment that i liked. Arthur saved John and others countless times. i cant imagine the guilt John must feel that the one time Arthur needed saving, it couldnt be done. Reverend Swanson was right, Arthur was a warrior
I’m replaying this story. The dialogue feels so natural with so much depth it’s insane! I’ve never been so engrossed into a story. It’s just insane how much work put into this game.
Arthur didnt only save John and his family, he sacrificed himself for them. He clearly knew that he wasnt gonna survive back when they were in that mountain.
If you choose to 100% the game after finishing the epilogue, it's like John is sorting through Arthur's unfinished business, everything John does after the epilogue is for Arthur.
The writers never created Arthur at the time but it’s iconic and it almost seems canon that John doesn’t speak about him. “You GO and don’t LOOK BACK.” “Be a goddamn man, go to your family.” - Arthur
Cody Dugger because even though it wasn’t planned and RDR2 wasn’t a thing back then, in hindsight, it seems like such a John thing to do. John never seemed like the type to pour his heart out to people about his past. Even in the first game, if he talked about the gang, it was always the briefest story possible.
I started the game like "nah i don't wanna be Arthur. I wanna be John. I don't like Arthur." I ended the game like "PLEASE COME BACK ARTHUR I NEED YA, I LOVE YA DON'T LEAVE ME HERE WITH JOHN!!!" Yeah, congrats Rockstar, you made me fall in love with a character that I thought I would hate.
"The past is gone. We left that behind." *awkward silence ... Abigail starts levitating. Jack telepathically makes the woodpile explode as he walks by. John seems to take the blame.*
Mentioning Arthur brings back the time where they were on that mountain, he wanted Arthur to come with him, but Arthur told him to leave him behind to buy him some more time, and John couldn't do anything since Arthur made up his mind... He has that guilt of not being able to save him, despite Arthur doing that for him countless of times.
@@ARC117Studios No matter if he could or couldn't save him, John clearly has a survivor guilt. He had a chance for a second life while Arthur didn't. Arthur gave his life for him. Micah, the actual rat survived longer while Arthur couldn't and to John it’s not fair. It's an irrational guilt but it's there. That and John is just clearly heartbroken that he lost his brother.
John was like Arthur's younger brother. An older brother feels responsible for their siblings and will do everything in their power to save them, whether or not they'll be repaid. Arthur and John's relationship may have been rocky at the start, what with John running off for a year, but you can tell that they're still brothers. And brothers have their ups and downs.
what wrecked me most was when arthur comforted his dying horse & when he died because he knew he wasn't going with john and everyone else. he knew that there was no getting out of his death, so he decided to use the time he had left to help the ones that mattered to him. he might not've been a good man, but he had a good heart for the people he cared about.
Unpopular opinion: Micah wasn’t that bad of a guy. He only talked to the agents to save his self, and besides why would he be loyal to a gang of people who do nothing but hate him.
@@redneckhuntingandfishing8219 I mean yeah but he never gave them a reason to like him. God just listen to all the interactions he had with everyone in the camp, he's a straight up asshole who acts like an asshole. He bragged about raping Lenny's girlfriend to Arthur and he killed the camp dog for no reason at all. He literally led Dutch down the road of insanity and putting the rest of the gang in danger.
I feel towards the end John really tries to gather jack but jack Wong let him bc John disowned him. But Idk why John stayed with Abigail all she did was complain complain complain. She actually complained when we saved jack and ourselves from thieves
I lost my grandfather couple years ago he was the one who raised me and been with me for most of my life and I still haven’t fully recovered from it. So everytime when someone mentions him I just can’t follow the conversation it just hits me so I don’t like to talk about him not that I don’t want to remember him, I remember him everyday. It’s just hard to talk about him without breaking into tears all the time. So for John idc if its devs clever way of implementing rdr2 storyline into rdr1 but I see why John didn’t wanna talk about Arthur.
The greatest thing I've learned from RDR series is the "Alright, I'll leave it to you then" as a conversation finisher. It seems to work in both cheerful and gloomy conversations. Learning this is great for people like me who doesn't know how to end a conversation without making shit weird.
I like how John's voice was hushed when he talked to Abigail, like he didn't want Jack to hear him. This game is so real and cinematic sometimes, seriously one of the games of all time
@@lamshae6070 as I recall, it was Javier that said he was his brother, expecting to maybe change John's mind about bringing him in. So maybe that was the reason why. Either that, or it's just John's character.
Mojca Malina I think you’re perhaps just looking to hard into both my joke and a game that was made ~10 years after the rest of the story they decided to try and fit in after the fact. Not like they ever thought of Arthur when the first game was made, they tried to give a one off reason he doesnt get mentioned at all but it was just the fact they created him after the first game was made
I get what they are trying to say, but the fact is, once John starts tracking down his former gang members, he digs up the past and there is zero reason why he wouldn't mention Arthur. I mean, if the games were released the other way round, Arthur would be mentioned multiple times for sure. Especially in John's final showdown with Dutch.
Hopefully if they ever remaster or remake RDR, they can add some Arthur Lore. Mentions his name a few times in dialogue, see familiar characters in the distance, you know, Easter eggs
well RDR2 already fixed this as well, John only talks about Arthur with people who knew him personally (ie the people at train stations and side quest strangers) and the first game he's only really talking about Bill, Javier and Dutch because they are the ones who are still out robbing and killing people and they're the ones he's after
@@thisbubblygoodness7611 Sorry, but that doesnt wash. How would he not mention the guy who saved his life and was a big part of his former gang at least once with Jack, Abigail, Uncle, Ross, Dutch, Bill or Javier? There are so many characters who carry over story wise that him not being mentioned even once makes zero sense. I get they didn't have this story fleshed out when they made RDR1 so couldn't put Arthur into the game, but the story arc just feels really disconnected given how big a role Arthur plays in getting John to where he finds himself at the start of RDR1 and the actions he takes throughout that game.
When you get 100% completion John goes to Arthur’s grave and says “well, we’re pretty much done friend.” Or something like that. So I think that he’s saying that Arthur’s story is done, that John finished everything Arthur might have started
When losing a loved one, I understand it's often painful just to think about them, especially if you miss them. But it helps to think about the good times you've spent together. Saying nice things and praising their good deeds, especially for things you perhaps didn't get the chance to say. You don't need to do it often but when the time feels right, it's okay.
RDR2 in a Nutshell: Start of the game, play as Arthur Me:"What is this?! I wanna play as John!" End of the game, play as John Me:"What is this?! Gimme back Arthur!!"
It’s simple John has survivors guilt and probably PTSD he went through several traumatic events and doesn’t wanna talk about them like veterans don’t like talking about their stuff
Tbh that's kinda the vibe his tone of voice gives off when talking about past events in the first game, pretty solid excuse for it still being a prequel
Survivors Guilt and PTSD. Two things a pitifully tiny pocket of humanity understand. As far as treatment goes for such things from "professionals", Medicine in that regard is little better than that of jackals. People won't get it, man, but I can accept it. In reality, Arthur wasn't so much as a thought by the time of RDR 1. They simply never accounted for it.
I haven't cried over a game ever in my life, apart from Arthur, he really messed me up and that just shows how much development went into his character
@@dogualidostpoyraz9334 Arthur, John’un intikam almasını kesinlikle istemezdi ama alması lazımdı bunu hepimiz biliyoruz ve sonrasında dediğini yaptı arkasına bakmadı
aight, this "HAHA FOUND YA LENNY" joke is getting so cringe, i mean it makes me laugh everytime i replay that mission, but this "arthur in heaven yelling found ya lenny" joke is so old
@@prska o *Antagonize* *I'M TALKIN'* *How many times have you pissed yourself?* *I wish you stayed out at sea...* *With the other, Walruses.* Well, side note.. what were you hoping to accomplish, today? That this whole thing is cringe, you can't handle it and the world needs to adjust to your inability to let other people enjoy themselves? You said it's cringe, EVERYONE, THIS JOKE IS NOW CRINGE. Yeah, aside from me being a forced shoulder for you to cry on, not really much I can do besides say. I like this joke because unlike you, it isn't cringe to me. And I'm sorry if this seems a bit rude and whatnot but even it's the internet or not, you should learn to keep some options that don't contribute to a situation, to yourself. :) I really don't think less of you or dislike you, I just find it cringe when someone wants to take away someone else's fun because they aren't having fun.
@@nivekzorantinez8872 sorry, i wasnt trying to be rude or ruining anyone's fun, i was just saying that this joke is litteraly in every rdr2 video's comment sections, thats all
@@prska And right you are, it is! But that's what helps me enjoy it.. It's how I cope with the loss of, Arthur Morgan.. the goodest boi ever. Still, didn't mean to sound so aggressive, I hope it doesn't make you feel bad and you just try to see that sometimes, you might accidentally hurt someone's feelings with your comments! ^^
@@nivekzorantinez8872 ah... i wasnt trying to upset you tho, i dont have any problems with you, i was just talking about that joke, like i said im sorry, but there are few other ways to cope with the loss of arthur too you know
Also consider the fact these people were "family": living and working together, but not related. To the moment of RDR1 it has passed 12 years since Arthur's death, most people are forgotten even earlier
Man when I first saw John in rdr2 and I was playing as Arthur I hated it so much I just wanted to play as John but by the end of it I didn't want to finish the game cause I knew Arthurs fate and didn't want to let him go. Seriously Arthur is one of the best written characters I've ever had the pleasure of playing as.
@Kelly 22 That is exactly what I mean. Sure, it most certainly could just be people taking the piss, but this notion that John simply threw away everything Arthur gave him kind of grinds my gears, I'll admit. Everything he does, up until the final act of the game, is not of his own accord. He doesn't give a damn about his old "comrades", something he vocalizes several times throughout the first game. At that point, they are now between himself and his family, and those who dare to separate him from what he cherishes most tend to end up dead. Meme, or not, ignoring the gravity of John's circumstances is just waterbrained as fuck.
First time I’ve actually experienced real grief over a fictional character dying. I remember when Arthur died and you continued to play as John I was so irritated. After getting to know Arthur so much it was heartbreaking. Sucks he contracted TB. I started another play through and refuse to progress to the point where Arthur gets sick.
true, but this entire project was the collective work of over 1600 people. that's 1600 human beings that came together to make this. if they are the organized sum, then we, the player, are why their efforts in this experience are perceived as more than just the sum of its parts: a gestalt
I didn't cry at all when Arthur dies. It was just depressing and I had it coming miles away since he first caught TB. Then the epilogue came, three hours in playing as John really messes with me on how much I really missed Arthur, and I started crying hard because of that. Arthur is just like most of us, trying our best to be good but life isn't just good sometimes, at the end he did his best.
The voice actor for John is spot on because I don't know if anybody noticed a slight voice cracked when he said about the past is gone it just goes to show you how close John and Arthur were because to be honest John and Arthur were the first two that Dutch and Hosea brought in they were brothers and even in the beginning of the game when Arthur has a aggression towards John it was mostly because Arthur was hurt because of John leaving the gang now we don't know what happened but we know that John eventually came back it just goes to show that towards the end they were able to repair the relationship and it was beautiful
I always felt like John harboured some sort of survivors guilt when it came to Arthur. At the end of RDR2, it's clear that John begins to really look up to Arthur and is still trying to live up to his sacrifice in the epilogue. Keep in mind that John is found by Agent Ross entirely because of his revenge mission against Micah; a mission Arthur in his final days would have disagreed with. If I were John in RDR1, I don't think I'd be able to talk about Arthur either. John turning back to his old ways and hunting down his former gang members makes Arthur's sacrifice seem worthless. It doesn't matter if John didn't have a choice. It seemingly invalidates the sacrifice of someone that John believes was better than him. How do you emotionally confront that?
@@terenceneedham9064 Abigail died, probably due at least in part to the strain of being on the run again, and losing the love of her life. Jack ends up a murderer, and probably one that'll end up getting hunted like his father was.
Wrong John was found by the government because of the house he purchased. They were going to find him wether he went and killed micah. That doesnt matter. Going to the BANK as a fucking FUGITIVE was pretty dumb but he didnt know any better. Thats why Agent Ross found him
Arthur passing might be the only thing John never got over, i mean, he saw Arthur slowly get worse and worse in health and never knew why, and Arthur was the only one of the gang he counted as an actual brother, he probably blamed himself for Arthur's death thinking if he stayed or he could've convinced to cone with him a little further he'd still be alive for awhile until he found out he had TB. Arthur possibly could've lived if they went another way, copperhead landing wasn't too far, or if Arthur instead of returning to camp went to get John's body because at the time he thought he was dead and he'd find John and they'd go there. But Arthur's death helping john was the best one for him. He knew what he did in his final moments were right and was at peace.
@@shax232 thomas dawnes was in his wasn't he? Even if you don't hurt him on the mission arthur gets tb he still dies and Arthur is blamed. In warm air like nrw austin and west elizabeth, people with tb breathe good in warm conditions, not great but he wouldn't be in severe pain like he was, at beavers hollow.
Leon Survivor yeah but the point is Arthur was close to death, he had already suffered 2 coughing fits (3 if you helped Charlotte) and he was physically weak as seen when he struggled to fight off mr Milton. Arthur’s time was very short hence why he told John to escape while he fended off the Pinkertons. If he had longer to live he would have taken John all the way to copperhead landing
@@jjdavidhope yeah he had all that bad humid air in the south, and the drinking and smoking also sped it up along with Dutch working him way too hard and all together drastically reduced his lifespan
I finished my first play through of rdr2 this week, about 100 hours in total and probably 90 of them were with Arthur, it didn't feel the same after John took over. Seriously one of the most detailed and well written characters I've seen in any video game, especially since I played as a moral character and got the good ending, made his death hit so much harder. I even remember towards the end of the 1899 storyline feeling good about trying to make it up to Mrs. Downes and her son, and helping Sadie get vengeance and doing everything possible to save Jack, John and Abigail. It just felt like the right thing to do for Arhur.
@A Mad Parisian But imagine they mentioned Arthur in rdr1, but you don't see him and you know he's dead. And yes, some people like Sadie, Charles, Mary survived and didn't appear in rdr1.
@A Mad Parisian but the fact is, he was chasing Dutch, Bill and Javier, he needed to in order to save his family. The only people he mentioned are the people he killed afterwards or that stayed with him in the long run (Uncle). It's clear to see that John just tried his best to forget about the gang in order to keep his family safe.
@@lg3org3 well charles i believe went to canada and Sadies down in souh america and the rest went on with their lives, John wouldnt drag them into things
John does want to talk about Arthur. Arthur didn't. Arthur wanted to be forgotten because he felt too much guilt on himself for trusting the wrong person his whole life like he just felt so much shame for that. So John just makes his last wish.
It’s more than that. Remember Dutch took Arthur in at an early age and molded him to be an outlaw. That’s all he ever knew by the time we play as him. John had also grew up with hosea and dutch but remember he left for a period of time and got to experience something other than the outlaw life. By the time the Pinkertons were chasing them down, he knew his time was close even if his tuberculosis would never have shown itself. The pinkertons were gunning down the last of the outlaws left in the west. That’s why he tells John to get out of the life, to live for his son jack and Abigail. Because John had something to live for while all Arthur ever lived for, Dutch’s fantasy ideals, we’re all squashed when he saw how quick Dutch cast him aside.
In their last scene Arthur tells him to “not look back”. It was his final wish for John to move on with his life and his past. Interestingly enough John says something similar to Jack right before dying
Im glad they added this to sorta explain why he isn't mentioned in rdr1 the real reason being (He didn't exist as a character at the time and was made solely for rdr2)
I guess though Arthur and John got on with eachother in the End, John still was a little pissed that Arthur kinda was a better Father Figure for Jack than he was throughout the whole Game. And John actually felt quite lame cause his Ass had to be saved so often.
One thing I noticed on my current playthrough, that I hadn't noticed in my toe previous ones, is when you get Jack back... Abigail thanks Dutch and Arthur, but not John... And John just looks awkward as fuck for the entire party!
John doesn't talk about Arthur like you don't talk about a lost sibling, you keep them with you always, but if you talk about them, no matter how happy you try to feel, in the end you only end up remembering how lonely you feel without them at your side.
I would want a RDR1 remake more than a RDR3 or GTA6. It would be pretty time consuming, but I'm guessing it wouldn't take too long of a time considering most of the map for RDR1 is completed already. It would mostly be implementing old missions, which is probably easier than making new ones. And also, most importantly, changing the dialogue so Arthur is mentioned.
Arthur doesn't need to be mentioned, it would add literally nothing to the first game. Bill and Javier sided with Dutch and after 12 years, Arthur is long dead and has nothing to do with why they are doing anything. John is doing what he has to because he killed Micah who was working for the Government the whole time, and as seen in the post credits of RDR2, so was Dutch which is why the government wanted him dead for not saving Micah. Everything having to do with Arthur died with Micah. Everything in RDR1 had to do with why Dutch abandoned John after Chapter 4 in RDR2 and the Saint Denis bank robbery. That's what John means when he said Dutch left him for dead. After Saint Denis, everything John did for "Dutch's gang" he did to make sure he and Arthur could get out of the gang before Dutch destroyed it but they were too late.
I agree with you, I'd really love for a remake of the first one. I wish they make Red Dead Redemption 3, though, and we get to see how Dutch met Hosea and how they recruited Arthur, John, and the rest of the gang, all leading up to the blackwater massacre--the game's climax.
@@JohnReedy07163 I disagree that Arthur doesn't need to be mentioned at all. John left the gang and Dutch behind with Arthurs help that night and him chasing them down again would undoubtedly stir up old feelings about what happened. John not throwing what Dutch did to Arthur in his face is just strange. A conversation where John talks about what a piece of shit Dutch is for leaving him for dead having zero mention whatsoever of Arthur makes no sense. "You left me to die. The only reason I'm alive right now is because of Arthur.", or "Me and Arthur trusted you and Arthur lost his life because of it.", or whatever else dialogue. If they remake the game and that doesn't get mentioned, people are going to be very confused. That's the biggest reason people want a remake. So that Arthur and the other members of the gang can be added into the story to make it more connected to the original. I agree that it doesn't "need" to mention Arthur, but I honestly wouldn't buy it if it didn't. The older graphics don't bother me. And I mean, what other reason is there to remake Red Dead over any of their other games? Why not GTA 3, or Vice City, or GTA San Andreas, or Bully instead? Red Dead isn't going to do the numbers that GTA does no matter what. The biggest draw they have is that everyone fell in love with Arthur and want to see him mentioned in a remake. But if they don't do that I'm not sure how many people would really rather have a RDR1 Remake over a GTA San Andreas remake.
It makes sense as the years go by to not speak of trauma like that. You deal with it, and in the struggle of daily life, those memories become quiet personal moments of reflection. They aren't really for discussion because they're so personal.
"Mama, how come daddy don't talk bout' arthur no more?"
"Well, they hadn't made the prequel yet, son, so..."
I love this comment
Lol
arthur was already an idea when rdr1 was created
@@stokeleytheokage8723 nope
@@kirancox6123 yeah, he was. look it up.
"your pa doesn't like talking about him"
John every time he sees an old friend: "yOu kNoW, aRthUR sAvED mE"
Thing is he does it because he's talking with Arthur's friends or acquaintances but in rd1 we don't see any of his friends the only guys that knew Arthur were guys like Dutch
Well yeah, because he wants them to understand why he is the way he is. He even tells Mary-Beth that "I don't talk about him, but always think about him".
When that happened when I was playing, I always thought John couldn’t help but wish to connect with an old friend about Arthur, to let it be known that Arthur died a good man. And I found it sad but also realistic that everyone else was in a hurry to leave, or to not really talk about it, because they moved on with their life. And the fact that John was the one who brought it up showed us that he didn’t move on like Arthur told him to.
wait john doesn't like talking about me? ooh wait till i get my hands on that slippery snake
@@s.c.pfoundation3559 Arthur told him not to look back and to be a man
Just remember what the strange man said in rdr1
"Why would you remember me, friend? You've forgotten far more important people than me."
So true!
DAMN IT! JOHN NEVER FORGOT! He just didnt like talking about the past.
I don’t talk about him, but I think about him all the time
@SShaw6174 he was talking about a girl Dutch killed on the black water ferry I think
There’s a mission in the first RDR .. where John and Bonnie are riding into Armadillo.. and Bonnie brings up Abagail .. then mentions how John never talks about her .. John says he doesn’t talk about her but she’s never far from his thoughts… I suspect something similar with Arthur
Abigail: “he saved us.. without him, none of this would be possible….”
Arthur: _Y O U S I R, A R E A F I S H._
Ok, I’ll catch you later then
Best arthur voice line
@@failure4452 “I’ll kill you again in hell, my friend” is pretty popular
@@AnthonyBlamthony I agree actually, it’s great especially since it parallels with John’s kill line in RDR1 of “I’ll see you again in hell, my friend”
I was just going for a funny meme one lol
Awe it’s a toy boat
I think he said it best when talking to Mary-Beth; “Arthur saved my life before he passed. I don’t talk about him, but I think about him all the time.”
Parzival you commented one day ago, and you already have 380 likes, goes to show you that people are still interested in RDR
The bee gee damn I just noticed! And yes! Red Dead will always be relevant.
Parzival not its 412 likes
The bee gee now it’s 541
629 as now (629th is me)
It's ironic that this game has amazing dialogue but sometimes conversations end in a very Bethesda way.
Conversations dont actually end in bethesda games, you just leave it. But i get your point tho.
Technically, you don't *have* to end it that way, you could just . . . not press the button again, when you know the conversation is probably over. Generally, they don't last much more than two or three lines of dialogue, per person, so it's not that hard.
@Fuzzyballs01hahahahhaha youre a sad little man.
JEDI Magick suit yourself
@Fuzzyballs01 you better not be that guy from fj.
John when Jack asks about Arthur:
John when literally any random stranger walks up to him: Did you ever hear the tragedy of Arthur Morgan? It's not the kind of story the law would tell you.
*is it possible to learn this power?*
This gave me an image of forest gump's opening but instead of forest it's John waiting for anyone to hear his story of Arthur.
@@Remiel-Sayo not from an NPC
@@armadillomarrone7684 lul
I love star wars /rdr2 fans
Abigail: "Don't you have anything to say about Arthur?"
John: *Remembers a time Arthur brought up the fact he can't swim*
John: "Nuh uh'"
John doesn't speak of Arthur because of his last words to him: "You forget about a thousand things everyday, feller. Make sure this is one of 'em."
Waiiiiit a minute🤔
*Arthur living the good life protected by the goberment*
wrong game
Arthur De Santa?
@@lucasdellamaggiore beat me to it
I didn't think I'd like arthur. Weird how 40+ hours with a highly detailed character will change your mind.
Hey felt like it since it’s a prequel why bother getting it but my brother got it so I decided why not and man that was one of the best damn stories I have ever experienced. Arthur is a top tier character much like John.
Jay K I felt like I wasn’t gonna like Arthur when I first seen a trailer but now I believe he is one of the greatest characters in video games
It's the mark of a well-written character that you can come to respect and appreciate a character that you despised upon first glance.
for real tho. at the start of the game i couldnt wait to play as John but by the end of it i cant let Arthur go
@GrabberBythePuss was about to say that, fucking abby piece of shit
Arthur is the only game character ever that made me feel like I had lost a true life friend, I miss him to this day, and still think back on the time I spent with him, the good decisions I encouraged him to make, and the ultimate sacrifice he made for John and his family
Losing tv/movie/game characters or those medias finishing up, is the same as when we lose a friend in real life. We experience grief which is why it makes you so sad, because your brain computes that as the death of a friend.
@@peacingsalt Maybe your brain does.
play mass effect 1,2,3 if you haven't already XD
@@rosenti the brain creates connections to things deemed real and those deemed fake indiscriminately
@@Barcodez5555 I already played those games. Yes the brain does, but your consciousness should be able to differentiate between reality or you got serious problems.
Depressing how if you think about it, Arthur and John were raised as brothers, I can’t imagine how hurt on the inside John must be about his own brother being gone forever.
The criminal who killed hundreds of people is hurting on the inside? Poor him 😔
@@nikolailijovski7022life isn’t as black and white as u think
That's what John said to him before they departed: "You're my brother"
@@nikolailijovski7022Now I know how dutch feels when he thinks someone just said something stupid. WAIT WHAT?! THEY WERE BAD PEOPLE?! WHO WOULDA THUNKEDED?!! It's not like the two damn games have the word redemption in the title.
@@Mukatutu stop yapping
John: "The past is gone, we've left that behind"
*Next minute* "I'll kill Micah if its the last thing I do"
*Another minute* "DUTCH!"
Nien Numb lol 💀
To be fair, that wasn't the past, yet
Sometimes leaving the past behind means shooting it in the face.
@@BionicDirector117 nah it was the past in RDR 1 where John goes after Dutch
Well, John was forced to go after Dutch. He had no choice
"The past is gone, we left that behind"
*Agent Ross has entered the chat*
littlesmallworld123 this is an underrated comment
Except for finding Micah and taking him out.
@@NhBleker Is it just me or did anyone else shoot Micah in the head and balls. Just me. Okay
Jack Martson Entered the chat = last member Of The Van Der Linde gets last laugh
@@Cjlthegoat At both the end of RDR1 and 2, I unloaded my entire clip into the nutsack of Agent Ross and Micah, respectively. Very satisfying.
When I played through the game a second time, I wanted to play through with really low honor. And I just couldn’t do it, man! I couldn’t make Arthur be a bad guy. It’s too hard seeing my precious main character suffer
Yea always be good lol
I can relate. Especially after seeing the "good honour ending".
I said I was gonna do the same thing, and I've yet to bring myself to do it. Even when doing bad shit, you know. Arthur has a heart of gold.
I literally restarted the game over the weekend for a low honor play through. Im still at first camp and high honor is nearly maxed xD. I cant do it... lol
I was exactly the same way, it just doesn't feel like him
It’s wild, I remember I wanted this ending so bad at the end of red dead 1. Just an infinite end game living happily with John’s family on the farm. But instead John dies and I just never really loved jack the same way. I found him jarring, even the way he talks to his horse I found less intimate and it made me want John back.
Then at the end of red dead 2 my wish finally came true but now all I can do is think about how much I miss Arthur. And the whole dream just kinda feels like a lie.
Bittersweet in the truest sense of the word.
I feel u
I always thought with the herding mechanic in RDR1 and when you went to get cattle you'd actually do some ranching, that mechanic was stressed very early in the game and I thought it would have more of a use. After McFarlane's, you probably use it twice more.
“Then why would you remember me john, you’ve forgotten far more important people than me” strange man
I know it doesnt mean that. But yeah that was good.
M.selim Görür who else would he have forgotten
@@clashcreed2411 i dont know. I didnt play rdr. But i can say they cant create arthur 8 years before the rdr2 and not mention his name.
M.selim Görür it’s a good link tho
I got chills when I read your comment dude freaky🥶
Mentioning him would have only brought back memories of how Arthur didn't understand how fish respiratory systems work.
Easily the saddest aspect of Arthurs character
"Swim away, little feller!"
*Throws fish on a bunch of rocks*
"you sir, are a fish"
-Arthur Morgan, 1899
I’m gonna use some C H E E S E
@@mileschow5961 jack ~ “c h e e s e ?”
*John meets Arthur in the afterlife*
Arthur: You sir, are a fish
to this day i still love arthur as one of my favourite protagonists ever and i hold rdr2 in high esteem for that
May Arthur’s soul rest in peace
Honestly Arthur comforting his dying horse hit me harder than his death, I kept the same horse all game man, it was like a dog to me.
I had same horse the whole game as well
Ditto
Same here bro. When I got the good honor ending I cried when Arthur died but when my HORSE died. . .
I sobbed like a little bitch
I like to think that in the next life, Arthur reunited with his horse
I was on Buell :( I’ve never finished the game completely again because I don’t want to be sad for a week
That’s how I walk into my house every day.
The Rock
There should be full penetration sex scenes in these games no?..id have lovevto seesadie catch one
@@emoneyg33 What the actual fuck my guy?
@@emoneyg33 that escalated real quick
Dario I guess he can smell what the rock is cooking
something i saw in another comment that i liked. Arthur saved John and others countless times. i cant imagine the guilt John must feel that the one time Arthur needed saving, it couldnt be done. Reverend Swanson was right, Arthur was a warrior
Wait if John was there with Arthur couldn't he defeat Micah since Dutch just left easily.
I’m replaying this story. The dialogue feels so natural with so much depth it’s insane! I’ve never been so engrossed into a story. It’s just insane how much work put into this game.
Doesn’t want to talk about him, but he literally ends the exchange in the most Arthur way
1:10
_"Alright, well, I should be gettin' on!"_
Okay, I'll catch ya later then.
@@PalaceDude You sir....are a fish
“Okay, well let’s talk more later.”
“Anyway, don’t mean to disturb you”
“Okay Arthur”
The NPC conversations were so detailed in this game. It amazes me
I kno right
@@bg319 No shit Sherlock.
@@High605 o
@@vvthetalentlessduo6976 👀
Didnt realize how importan listening to their dialog was. Till later
Start of the game “I want to play as my guy John”
End of the game”I wanna play as Arthur🙁 “
End of the game? Bro Arthur died around 50% completion 💀
@Nick Broomhall what? Arthur died near 50%, if you don't complete side missions
@@somilsingh4843 i didn't say right at the end plus he you play as john in the epilouge not in the main story
RDR3 be like:
Start of the game "I want to play as my guy Arthur"
End of the game "I wanna play as [New Character]🙁
I also think about what John says when he runs into Mary-Beth:
“I don’t talk about him a lot. But I think about him a lot”
Rdr1 remastered (if they ever do it) for high honor John would get to talk to Arthur as a hallucination and low honor we have Micah taunting us
Rockstar needs to hire you
100 subs with no videos 👍🏻 that would be awesome if I did
SPARTAN GHOST98 so basically John has schizophrenia
Dutch Van Der Linde but Arthur already heard voices
@@dutchvanderlinde4713 so do you duuutch
Rockstar broke my heart. Arthur the greatest ever characters in video gaming
its hard to disagree with this one
Arthur was the best written character ever
I can't disagree with u partner
I highly disagree
I hope we can use him again as a character in RDR III
Lol "Arthur saved us. We wouldn't be here without him"
John: "I saved you guys a little bit too tho 😔😭
I finished the game and I'm feeling emotions I can't even describe. Songs from the credits were so meaningful to put an end to this story.
0:50 "Im grateful, sir" * trashes the living room on his way out
im dead 🤣🤣🤣🤣
🤣🤣
this is the comment i was looking for.
Lol 😂
Very accurate representation of the average 12 year old tbh lol
Arthur didnt only save John and his family, he sacrificed himself for them. He clearly knew that he wasnt gonna survive back when they were in that mountain.
Arthur was a dying breed
He had tuberkalerk. He knew he wasn’t going to live much longer anyways.
Imagine how much better life would have been if he was diagnosed instead with
LUMBAGO
@@shubhroy7960 you joke but lumbago is a slow and painful death. Arthur got off lucky compared to poor uncle.
@@aidancoyle1112 I agree. I was actually sleepy and wasn't thinking clearly when I wrote the comment.
John Marston was known as a badass gunslinger and former outlaw.
But that all changed when Rockstar gave us Arthur..
could not agree more
Such a stupid comment lol
Red Harlow still the GOAT
@@emiliomarbanjr hell yes
If you choose to 100% the game after finishing the epilogue, it's like John is sorting through Arthur's unfinished business, everything John does after the epilogue is for Arthur.
The writers never created Arthur at the time but it’s iconic and it almost seems canon that John doesn’t speak about him.
“You GO and don’t LOOK BACK.” “Be a goddamn man, go to your family.”
- Arthur
How's it iconic?
Cody Dugger because even though it wasn’t planned and RDR2 wasn’t a thing back then, in hindsight, it seems like such a John thing to do. John never seemed like the type to pour his heart out to people about his past. Even in the first game, if he talked about the gang, it was always the briefest story possible.
@@ThorntonNoir Great answer. I truly wasn't being rude; I was curious of your rationale behind specifically choosing that word. Thanks for the reply.
The Thornton nice explaining!
Whoa
I started the game like "nah i don't wanna be Arthur. I wanna be John. I don't like Arthur."
I ended the game like "PLEASE COME BACK ARTHUR I NEED YA, I LOVE YA DON'T LEAVE ME HERE WITH JOHN!!!"
Yeah, congrats Rockstar, you made me fall in love with a character that I thought I would hate.
It do be like that
Naughty Dog did the same thing with TLOU2 . Amazing experiences.
@@YungPop 😬 dunno about that one bro
@@YungPop TLOU2's story is shit, It would be better if that muscle looking gorilla Abby didn't exist in the first place.
@@grapesupremacy6852 damn lmao
“Arthur saved us, none of this could be possible without him.”
“I brokE the GoDaaM WhEel!”
I love that the dialogue system is more than basic, but it still gives you all the insight and either way, it remains in character
"The past is gone. We left that behind."
*awkward silence ... Abigail starts levitating. Jack telepathically makes the woodpile explode as he walks by. John seems to take the blame.*
😂😂
Carl Frank lol 💀😭
😂😂
Holy shit, I read that, rewatched and nearly died laughing.
Hahaha holy shit thats so good
Mentioning Arthur brings back the time where they were on that mountain, he wanted Arthur to come with him, but Arthur told him to leave him behind to buy him some more time, and John couldn't do anything since Arthur made up his mind... He has that guilt of not being able to save him, despite Arthur doing that for him countless of times.
Well said
On top of that he was sick, he wouldn't make it anyway.
John couldn't have saved Arthur, nobody could have, he was a dead man. I don't think John's guilt is from not saving Arthur.
@@ARC117Studios No matter if he could or couldn't save him, John clearly has a survivor guilt. He had a chance for a second life while Arthur didn't. Arthur gave his life for him. Micah, the actual rat survived longer while Arthur couldn't and to John it’s not fair. It's an irrational guilt but it's there. That and John is just clearly heartbroken that he lost his brother.
John was like Arthur's younger brother. An older brother feels responsible for their siblings and will do everything in their power to save them, whether or not they'll be repaid.
Arthur and John's relationship may have been rocky at the start, what with John running off for a year, but you can tell that they're still brothers. And brothers have their ups and downs.
what wrecked me most was when arthur comforted his dying horse & when he died because he knew he wasn't going with john and everyone else. he knew that there was no getting out of his death, so he decided to use the time he had left to help the ones that mattered to him. he might not've been a good man, but he had a good heart for the people he cared about.
John : "I don't talk about him much
But I always think about him"
Me after realising that I do the same thing all the day : 👁️👄👁️
Normal kids to their father's: Hi, pa.
Jack to John: Greetings, s i r.
you clearly dont know how kids were back then
@Jason Sinatra yeah dude, i was talking to the guy who posted the main comment
@@prska Bruh I knew I watched a lot of Telenovelas lol. I just wanted to make the meme
@Jason Sinatra no problem mate
@@darkfire8865 oh ok... i thought you were serious, im sorry then
“The past is gone, we left that behind.” *leaves wife and kids to go slaughter 25 innocent people*
Sounds like a average day
@@Beesleys_World sounds like a slow day
Quit playing John wrong :(
@@SharpForceTrauma they can play him however they want, i personally wouldn’t play him like that either but still
That's me lol....with a knife and lasso
When I played RDR2 for the first time, I had no idea what anything was, now that game is my heart.
the game pieces together what seems like an organic conversation. it's clunky but it's still the best i've ever seen.
If Arthur never had tuberculosis, He would've beat Micah's ass for sure
No doubt about it
Yeah and if dutch didnt step on his hand micah would be dead
Unpopular opinion: Micah wasn’t that bad of a guy. He only talked to the agents to save his self, and besides why would he be loyal to a gang of people who do nothing but hate him.
@@redneckhuntingandfishing8219 I mean yeah but he never gave them a reason to like him. God just listen to all the interactions he had with everyone in the camp, he's a straight up asshole who acts like an asshole. He bragged about raping Lenny's girlfriend to Arthur and he killed the camp dog for no reason at all. He literally led Dutch down the road of insanity and putting the rest of the gang in danger.
@@redneckhuntingandfishing8219 But didn't theyxhate him because he was a huge sadist when it came to crimes and just an asshole around camp?
“I’m uh.. grateful, sir.”
*smashes into everything*
There is such an awkward relationship in this family. They kinda just stay together because they have to.
I feel towards the end John really tries to gather jack but jack Wong let him bc John disowned him. But Idk why John stayed with Abigail all she did was complain complain complain. She actually complained when we saved jack and ourselves from thieves
I lost my grandfather couple years ago he was the one who raised me and been with me for most of my life and I still haven’t fully recovered from it. So everytime when someone mentions him I just can’t follow the conversation it just hits me so I don’t like to talk about him not that I don’t want to remember him, I remember him everyday. It’s just hard to talk about him without breaking into tears all the time. So for John idc if its devs clever way of implementing rdr2 storyline into rdr1 but I see why John didn’t wanna talk about Arthur.
I always wanted to say to Jack “stop calling me sir, I’m your dad not your boss.” But times were different then
Vegetable Man back then times were tough
Where are you from..?
@@pat_n_black7563 I am from England.
John don't talk about him cuz he'd dismantle in tears
We all would if we were John
No bc he’s never mentioned at all in the first game and they had to make a lame excuse for why he never mentions him.
@AggrievedCommenter shut up
@@grendel7192 no but he's actually right.
The greatest thing I've learned from RDR series is the "Alright, I'll leave it to you then" as a conversation finisher. It seems to work in both cheerful and gloomy conversations. Learning this is great for people like me who doesn't know how to end a conversation without making shit weird.
just give em a full-throated O K A Y, I ' L L C A T C H Y A L A T E R T H E N.
I like how John's voice was hushed when he talked to Abigail, like he didn't want Jack to hear him. This game is so real and cinematic sometimes, seriously one of the games of all time
Arthur was the best protagonist in any game, he is the only character I cried for.
Arthur was a great man
@Stephen Ball wdym? Joel never died.
@@Dailyblazer19 hmmmm
I don't know, Cayde-6 made me pretty sad
@@Dailyblazer19 you are rigth, ellie and joel lived in that town and, after a dispute later on they became friends again!
We left that behind, the pAst is the past
*all of the first game*
“YOu lEfT mE tO diE”
Only true fans will appreciate this comment
I mean the government forced him to hunt his old gang members to be fair 😂 but this comment is still hilarious
Parzival true true but he didnt have to bitch about his personal issues with them if he wanted to ignore that
@@lamshae6070 as I recall, it was Javier that said he was his brother, expecting to maybe change John's mind about bringing him in. So maybe that was the reason why. Either that, or it's just John's character.
Mojca Malina I think you’re perhaps just looking to hard into both my joke and a game that was made ~10 years after the rest of the story they decided to try and fit in after the fact. Not like they ever thought of Arthur when the first game was made, they tried to give a one off reason he doesnt get mentioned at all but it was just the fact they created him after the first game was made
"the past is gone, we left that behind"
except uncle i guess
"You're my brother, Arthur"
Years later
"Arthur who?"
Arthur Callahan who else
Ocean's Blue Waves ikr John is a fool sometimes
John: "I saved us a little too, yknow"
Jack: "yeah, ight"
Jack: "sure sure"
Pomelo John is hurt you can just tell
*DId YoU??*
Even if he never speak about him, he is always there in his heart like his big brother
“You’ve forgotten far more important people than me.” Strange Man-RDR
I get what they are trying to say, but the fact is, once John starts tracking down his former gang members, he digs up the past and there is zero reason why he wouldn't mention Arthur.
I mean, if the games were released the other way round, Arthur would be mentioned multiple times for sure. Especially in John's final showdown with Dutch.
Not only Arthur tho, they would definitely mention all the other members as well. All the more reason for why Rockstar should remake Rdr1.
Hopefully if they ever remaster or remake RDR, they can add some Arthur Lore. Mentions his name a few times in dialogue, see familiar characters in the distance, you know, Easter eggs
@@Diamond_2403 "remake", no. Remaster? Yes.
well RDR2 already fixed this as well, John only talks about Arthur with people who knew him personally (ie the people at train stations and side quest strangers)
and the first game he's only really talking about Bill, Javier and Dutch because they are the ones who are still out robbing and killing people and they're the ones he's after
@@thisbubblygoodness7611 Sorry, but that doesnt wash. How would he not mention the guy who saved his life and was a big part of his former gang at least once with Jack, Abigail, Uncle, Ross, Dutch, Bill or Javier? There are so many characters who carry over story wise that him not being mentioned even once makes zero sense.
I get they didn't have this story fleshed out when they made RDR1 so couldn't put Arthur into the game, but the story arc just feels really disconnected given how big a role Arthur plays in getting John to where he finds himself at the start of RDR1 and the actions he takes throughout that game.
When you get 100% completion John goes to Arthur’s grave and says “well, we’re pretty much done friend.” Or something like that. So I think that he’s saying that Arthur’s story is done, that John finished everything Arthur might have started
LongLived Ruby imma look into it and I will post a video of it once I get that 100%
@@High605 Rare to see a CZcamsr respond to such a low comment
Isy Tha i reply all the time
@@High605 Good for you! It feels nice to get a response from a youtuber.
Isy Tha hey thanks for taking time out your day to comment
Arthur says when he hunts down a person , " your past will follow you"
When losing a loved one, I understand it's often painful just to think about them, especially if you miss them. But it helps to think about the good times you've spent together. Saying nice things and praising their good deeds, especially for things you perhaps didn't get the chance to say. You don't need to do it often but when the time feels right, it's okay.
RDR2 in a Nutshell:
Start of the game, play as Arthur
Me:"What is this?! I wanna play as John!"
End of the game, play as John
Me:"What is this?! Gimme back Arthur!!"
And yet, nobody:
I wanna play as Jack!
@@Wiseguy150 i'd love to play as jack tho
Plague Rebirth Akbar
prcw blck sane bro I wish if they ever go back where jack is an adult you should be able to play as him
@@justinportillo3996 yeah it would be badass to play as the last survivor of the van der linde gang in a game with rdr2's graphics
It’s simple
John has survivors guilt and probably PTSD he went through several traumatic events and doesn’t wanna talk about them like veterans don’t like talking about their stuff
This statement is false Nothing is true this is a good one
Tbh that's kinda the vibe his tone of voice gives off when talking about past events in the first game, pretty solid excuse for it still being a prequel
Survivors Guilt and PTSD. Two things a pitifully tiny pocket of humanity understand. As far as treatment goes for such things from "professionals", Medicine in that regard is little better than that of jackals. People won't get it, man, but I can accept it. In reality, Arthur wasn't so much as a thought by the time of RDR 1. They simply never accounted for it.
@@Broken_Savior yeah they definitely didn’t think of it but we still need an in world explanation as to why no one brings up Arthur
@@thisstatementisfalsenothin5312 An interesting question is always better than an idiotic answer.
I haven't cried over a game ever in my life, apart from Arthur, he really messed me up and that just shows how much development went into his character
Playing a morally good Arthur left me with the most profound sense of sadness over the death of a game character.
He’s doing what Arthur told him to do, “Never look back.”
Aga Arthuru dinlemedi ki
Çiftlikte çalışırken kavga çıktı hop John orda Sadie dedi Micahı buldum hop koskoca Micah Bell çetesinin kökünü kuruttu.
Yup
@@dogualidostpoyraz9334 Arthur, John’un intikam almasını kesinlikle istemezdi ama alması lazımdı bunu hepimiz biliyoruz ve sonrasında dediğini yaptı arkasına bakmadı
@@laweene1184 Her ne kadar intikam almasa John ve ailesini ajan Ross bulamayacak ve rdr1 olmayacak olsa da Micah orospu çocuğudur.
Ghost Arthur: "You're awlright..."
*Goes back to Heaven*
*"HAA, FOUND YA, LENNY!"*
aight, this "HAHA FOUND YA LENNY" joke is getting so cringe, i mean it makes me laugh everytime i replay that mission, but this "arthur in heaven yelling found ya lenny" joke is so old
@@prska o *Antagonize*
*I'M TALKIN'*
*How many times have you pissed yourself?*
*I wish you stayed out at sea...*
*With the other, Walruses.*
Well, side note.. what were you hoping to accomplish, today? That this whole thing is cringe, you can't handle it and the world needs to adjust to your inability to let other people enjoy themselves? You said it's cringe, EVERYONE, THIS JOKE IS NOW CRINGE. Yeah, aside from me being a forced shoulder for you to cry on, not really much I can do besides say. I like this joke because unlike you, it isn't cringe to me. And I'm sorry if this seems a bit rude and whatnot but even it's the internet or not, you should learn to keep some options that don't contribute to a situation, to yourself. :) I really don't think less of you or dislike you, I just find it cringe when someone wants to take away someone else's fun because they aren't having fun.
@@nivekzorantinez8872 sorry, i wasnt trying to be rude or ruining anyone's fun, i was just saying that this joke is litteraly in every rdr2 video's comment sections, thats all
@@prska And right you are, it is! But that's what helps me enjoy it.. It's how I cope with the loss of, Arthur Morgan.. the goodest boi ever. Still, didn't mean to sound so aggressive, I hope it doesn't make you feel bad and you just try to see that sometimes, you might accidentally hurt someone's feelings with your comments! ^^
@@nivekzorantinez8872 ah... i wasnt trying to upset you tho, i dont have any problems with you, i was just talking about that joke, like i said im sorry, but there are few other ways to cope with the loss of arthur too you know
Also consider the fact these people were "family": living and working together, but not related. To the moment of RDR1 it has passed 12 years since Arthur's death, most people are forgotten even earlier
I like this comment.....it sparks the imagination
Man when I first saw John in rdr2 and I was playing as Arthur I hated it so much I just wanted to play as John but by the end of it I didn't want to finish the game cause I knew Arthurs fate and didn't want to let him go.
Seriously Arthur is one of the best written characters I've ever had the pleasure of playing as.
"The past is gone"
Spends the sequel hunting down his past.
RDR1 was made Before RDR2 So RDR1 isn't a sequel
@@thebesttriforce4016 It is story wis,as RDR1 takes place after RDR2
Being forced to hunt down his past. Why do people explicitly go out of their way to ignore this?
@@Broken_Savior John could have left for Tahiti
@Kelly 22 That is exactly what I mean. Sure, it most certainly could just be people taking the piss, but this notion that John simply threw away everything Arthur gave him kind of grinds my gears, I'll admit. Everything he does, up until the final act of the game, is not of his own accord. He doesn't give a damn about his old "comrades", something he vocalizes several times throughout the first game. At that point, they are now between himself and his family, and those who dare to separate him from what he cherishes most tend to end up dead.
Meme, or not, ignoring the gravity of John's circumstances is just waterbrained as fuck.
Can we take a min to think how amazing it is that we can emotionally connect to virtual, fictional characters. When arthur died it hit me hard
Me too rip
I saluted him.
Cried
First time I’ve actually experienced real grief over a fictional character dying. I remember when Arthur died and you continued to play as John I was so irritated. After getting to know Arthur so much it was heartbreaking. Sucks he contracted TB. I started another play through and refuse to progress to the point where Arthur gets sick.
true, but this entire project was the collective work of over 1600 people. that's 1600 human beings that came together to make this. if they are the organized sum, then we, the player, are why their efforts in this experience are perceived as more than just the sum of its parts: a gestalt
I didn't cry at all when Arthur dies. It was just depressing and I had it coming miles away since he first caught TB. Then the epilogue came, three hours in playing as John really messes with me on how much I really missed Arthur, and I started crying hard because of that. Arthur is just like most of us, trying our best to be good but life isn't just good sometimes, at the end he did his best.
The voice actor for John is spot on because I don't know if anybody noticed a slight voice cracked when he said about the past is gone it just goes to show you how close John and Arthur were because to be honest John and Arthur were the first two that Dutch and Hosea brought in they were brothers and even in the beginning of the game when Arthur has a aggression towards John it was mostly because Arthur was hurt because of John leaving the gang now we don't know what happened but we know that John eventually came back it just goes to show that towards the end they were able to repair the relationship and it was beautiful
I always felt like John harboured some sort of survivors guilt when it came to Arthur. At the end of RDR2, it's clear that John begins to really look up to Arthur and is still trying to live up to his sacrifice in the epilogue. Keep in mind that John is found by Agent Ross entirely because of his revenge mission against Micah; a mission Arthur in his final days would have disagreed with. If I were John in RDR1, I don't think I'd be able to talk about Arthur either. John turning back to his old ways and hunting down his former gang members makes Arthur's sacrifice seem worthless. It doesn't matter if John didn't have a choice. It seemingly invalidates the sacrifice of someone that John believes was better than him. How do you emotionally confront that?
abigail and jack lived on. it was worth it
@@terenceneedham9064 Abigail died, probably due at least in part to the strain of being on the run again, and losing the love of her life.
Jack ends up a murderer, and probably one that'll end up getting hunted like his father was.
@@philipsalama8083 your probably right, average life expectancy in usa 1914 for women was 56. she died at 37. fun fact. john died aged 38.
Wrong
John was found by the government because of the house he purchased. They were going to find him wether he went and killed micah. That doesnt matter. Going to the BANK as a fucking FUGITIVE was pretty dumb but he didnt know any better. Thats why Agent Ross found him
No, john is alive, i mean was, so it cant be worthless,arthur said "don't look back"to john several times,
Arthur passing might be the only thing John never got over, i mean, he saw Arthur slowly get worse and worse in health and never knew why, and Arthur was the only one of the gang he counted as an actual brother, he probably blamed himself for Arthur's death thinking if he stayed or he could've convinced to cone with him a little further he'd still be alive for awhile until he found out he had TB. Arthur possibly could've lived if they went another way, copperhead landing wasn't too far, or if Arthur instead of returning to camp went to get John's body because at the time he thought he was dead and he'd find John and they'd go there. But Arthur's death helping john was the best one for him. He knew what he did in his final moments were right and was at peace.
Arthur’s tuberculosis was in its final stages I think, he would have died soon either way
@@shax232 Yeah, Arthur would've been miserable. Not being able to breathe is a horrible way to live.
@@shax232 thomas dawnes was in his wasn't he? Even if you don't hurt him on the mission arthur gets tb he still dies and Arthur is blamed. In warm air like nrw austin and west elizabeth, people with tb breathe good in warm conditions, not great but he wouldn't be in severe pain like he was, at beavers hollow.
Leon Survivor yeah but the point is Arthur was close to death, he had already suffered 2 coughing fits (3 if you helped Charlotte) and he was physically weak as seen when he struggled to fight off mr Milton. Arthur’s time was very short hence why he told John to escape while he fended off the Pinkertons. If he had longer to live he would have taken John all the way to copperhead landing
@@jjdavidhope yeah he had all that bad humid air in the south, and the drinking and smoking also sped it up along with Dutch working him way too hard and all together drastically reduced his lifespan
“When time comes, you gotta run and don’t look back”.
I finished my first play through of rdr2 this week, about 100 hours in total and probably 90 of them were with Arthur, it didn't feel the same after John took over. Seriously one of the most detailed and well written characters I've seen in any video game, especially since I played as a moral character and got the good ending, made his death hit so much harder. I even remember towards the end of the 1899 storyline feeling good about trying to make it up to Mrs. Downes and her son, and helping Sadie get vengeance and doing everything possible to save Jack, John and Abigail. It just felt like the right thing to do for Arhur.
Dutch voice: Because it wasn’t plannedddddd
That's so Dutch that I can even hear to voice crack at the end
*Broke:* Arthur never existed when Rockstar made RDR1
*Woke:* The past is gone. We left that behind
Frfr
Proceeds to hunt down old gang members
Choke: Choose between the two
@@Klosop I mean, none of that was his choice.
@@Klosop He was forced to it.
"When the time comes, you run and never look back."
I like how Jack passively-agressively smashes that little thing when he goes out of the room
I like how everyone talks about how Arthur wasn't mentioned in the first game, but 3/4 of the gang members weren't mentioned either in the first game.
@A Mad Parisian How is it abnormal? It's been years since Arthur died by the time RDR1 starts.
@A Mad Parisian But imagine they mentioned Arthur in rdr1, but you don't see him and you know he's dead. And yes, some people like Sadie, Charles, Mary survived and didn't appear in rdr1.
@A Mad Parisian but the fact is, he was chasing Dutch, Bill and Javier, he needed to in order to save his family. The only people he mentioned are the people he killed afterwards or that stayed with him in the long run (Uncle). It's clear to see that John just tried his best to forget about the gang in order to keep his family safe.
@A Mad Parisian it wasnt just a year, rdr1 is like 12 years later
@@lg3org3 well charles i believe went to canada and Sadies down in souh america and the rest went on with their lives, John wouldnt drag them into things
John does want to talk about Arthur. Arthur didn't. Arthur wanted to be forgotten because he felt too much guilt on himself for trusting the wrong person his whole life like he just felt so much shame for that. So John just makes his last wish.
It’s more than that. Remember Dutch took Arthur in at an early age and molded him to be an outlaw. That’s all he ever knew by the time we play as him. John had also grew up with hosea and dutch but remember he left for a period of time and got to experience something other than the outlaw life. By the time the Pinkertons were chasing them down, he knew his time was close even if his tuberculosis would never have shown itself. The pinkertons were gunning down the last of the outlaws left in the west. That’s why he tells John to get out of the life, to live for his son jack and Abigail. Because John had something to live for while all Arthur ever lived for, Dutch’s fantasy ideals, we’re all squashed when he saw how quick Dutch cast him aside.
@@ignaciofacundo5954 yea bit in the end Dutch dies like the coward he really is.
*Boah*
In their last scene Arthur tells him to “not look back”. It was his final wish for John to move on with his life and his past. Interestingly enough John says something similar to Jack right before dying
John: th past is gone, we left that behind
Also John: COME OUT MICAH!!!
"The past is gone. We left that behind. Let him rest."
He isn't mentioned because the writers never created him yet.
I dont think so pal
Hamza Khaliq Wtf
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Nope they already had ideas of creating Arthur
They did atleast made some connection for him to not be mention in that game
Because it's hurts too damn much...
Im glad they added this to sorta explain why he isn't mentioned in rdr1 the real reason being (He didn't exist as a character at the time and was made solely for rdr2)
I guess though Arthur and John got on with eachother in the End, John still was a little pissed that Arthur kinda was a better Father Figure for Jack than he was throughout the whole Game. And John actually felt quite lame cause his Ass had to be saved so often.
Nah, I don't think John harbored any resentment for Arthur. Only appreciation.
One thing I noticed on my current playthrough, that I hadn't noticed in my toe previous ones, is when you get Jack back... Abigail thanks Dutch and Arthur, but not John... And John just looks awkward as fuck for the entire party!
John doesn't talk about Arthur like you don't talk about a lost sibling, you keep them with you always, but if you talk about them, no matter how happy you try to feel, in the end you only end up remembering how lonely you feel without them at your side.
Like how Arthur never talks about his son
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The past is gone, but never forgotten…
Thank you, Arthur…
Holy hell, I thought I'd heard the name before!!! Amazing foreshadowing!
I would want a RDR1 remake more than a RDR3 or GTA6. It would be pretty time consuming, but I'm guessing it wouldn't take too long of a time considering most of the map for RDR1 is completed already. It would mostly be implementing old missions, which is probably easier than making new ones. And also, most importantly, changing the dialogue so Arthur is mentioned.
Arthur doesn't need to be mentioned, it would add literally nothing to the first game. Bill and Javier sided with Dutch and after 12 years, Arthur is long dead and has nothing to do with why they are doing anything. John is doing what he has to because he killed Micah who was working for the Government the whole time, and as seen in the post credits of RDR2, so was Dutch which is why the government wanted him dead for not saving Micah. Everything having to do with Arthur died with Micah. Everything in RDR1 had to do with why Dutch abandoned John after Chapter 4 in RDR2 and the Saint Denis bank robbery. That's what John means when he said Dutch left him for dead. After Saint Denis, everything John did for "Dutch's gang" he did to make sure he and Arthur could get out of the gang before Dutch destroyed it but they were too late.
I agree with you, I'd really love for a remake of the first one. I wish they make Red Dead Redemption 3, though, and we get to see how Dutch met Hosea and how they recruited Arthur, John, and the rest of the gang, all leading up to the blackwater massacre--the game's climax.
All they need to really add for the open world is mexico
@@JohnReedy07163 I disagree that Arthur doesn't need to be mentioned at all. John left the gang and Dutch behind with Arthurs help that night and him chasing them down again would undoubtedly stir up old feelings about what happened. John not throwing what Dutch did to Arthur in his face is just strange. A conversation where John talks about what a piece of shit Dutch is for leaving him for dead having zero mention whatsoever of Arthur makes no sense.
"You left me to die. The only reason I'm alive right now is because of Arthur.", or "Me and Arthur trusted you and Arthur lost his life because of it.", or whatever else dialogue.
If they remake the game and that doesn't get mentioned, people are going to be very confused. That's the biggest reason people want a remake. So that Arthur and the other members of the gang can be added into the story to make it more connected to the original. I agree that it doesn't "need" to mention Arthur, but I honestly wouldn't buy it if it didn't. The older graphics don't bother me. And I mean, what other reason is there to remake Red Dead over any of their other games? Why not GTA 3, or Vice City, or GTA San Andreas, or Bully instead? Red Dead isn't going to do the numbers that GTA does no matter what. The biggest draw they have is that everyone fell in love with Arthur and want to see him mentioned in a remake. But if they don't do that I'm not sure how many people would really rather have a RDR1 Remake over a GTA San Andreas remake.
@@Ghaffar_KH I said remake?
It makes sense as the years go by to not speak of trauma like that. You deal with it, and in the struggle of daily life, those memories become quiet personal moments of reflection. They aren't really for discussion because they're so personal.