What Went Wrong? Tearing Apart The Nova’s 540.
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Truthfully Tommy without you explaining or at least asking questions to your father nobody would understand good content. Good job Tommy
I 100% agree. A lot of us have never had an aluminum big block so the questions are what are prompting the tutorial we are getting. Thank you Two Guns..
It has nothing to do with the aluminum heads. The stuff not done is actually shocking. It's not even like its done half ass. We are talking lessons learned in the 60s....
@@tenman7242 we’ve never had one either, so we are learning as we go. Hindsight is always 20/20 (or at least it can be) but I wouldn’t have known it needed oil restrictors until after it gave us problems, but I’m not a professional engine builder either.
Small Blocks are more my thing. I’m familiar with them.
@@theoldmansgarage any more tech tip videos in the future?
@@theoldmansgarage That's what I love about this channel, your channel, and the Gen 2 video's. We get to learn along with you guys. Not someone saying this "IS THE WAY," it's more, "this is how I would do it" just like I learned from my dad and grandpa. I grew up on SBC so this is an awesome thing to watch. i doubt any of us could have afforded an aluminum block way back in the 80's even if we found one. Thanks for posting. This is the best thing on anywhere.
You know you're family when Bob leaves the shop and tells you to lock it up. Much respect to him.
That ain't Billy, don't reply to the scammer.
VERY interested in this diagnostic teardown with Uncle Bob we will definitely be tuning in. Really sorry things came apart on you all just as this chapter of the SRC story was getting great but... it could have been far far worse. If that block and the heads are saveable you'll be back in the drivers seat of that rocket ship soon enough! Fingers crossed!
I'm assuming you've found the evidence of being lied to and aren't impressed. I'm hoping that isn't the case.
It's sad when you take a motor to a shop and they tell you they did all the work and then you find out the truth .
Keep a cool head or try I always say.
As are we all. 😊 I’m pretty. Sure Bill and Billy will give it to us straight. 👍🏻
@@keithmyfurnaceguy from what old man said looks like about what he expected to find
@@FarmsVilla They are certainly pull no punches kind of guys, just sucks that we all even have to see this and they have to go through it. :(
@@LucoreAuto yeah it sure does. But on the upside it’s gonna make great content for all of us to watch so not all doom and gloom. And besides which it’s gonna come back bigger and better after uncle Bob gets his hands on it. So what started off as a really sucky event turns into a win win situation. 👍🏻🤣🤣
Billy to be a 25 or 26 year old kid and keeping the composure you have kept from the time the car hit the wall to now is commendable. You give the next generation (including my kid) a role model, your father should be proud, and I thank you for the way you handle yourself
It,s good to see that the tension between your self and jr has gone away. Good to see good times again
You are absolutely correct Bill,,, who ever balanced that crank has no business even touching a crank!!!
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Apparently that was the discounted part. "Hey, Where's that crank that Joe Bob fugged up and we tried saving?? That will work in this discounted engine"
looks like a $99 mig from harbor freight was used to put Mallory in SMH no penetration thank god nobody was hurt
@@ericaichinger4768 No, Even the $99.00 Harbor Frieght Mig welders work. "IF YOU KNOW HOW TO WELD" to begin with. Buying a $20-K Miller doesn't make you a welder. And from the looks of the off center hole drilled in this crank. You can add basic machining 101 to the list of "Needs Improvement" next to " Can't weld" also. I'm NOT a engine builder. Have I torn down and rebuilt a few OEM AG (Gas and Diesel) engines?? Yes I have. I'm not familiar with how these cranks are sold. Are the balanced at all from the manufacturer?? Or are the journal just polished to oem spec and then the builder is responsible to have it balanced to coincide with the other parts (Rods,Pistons, ect) they use in the build. Either way, who ever balanced this crank "shit the bed" on this one. If this is there best work, Then I think they better take a step back and re-evaluate things. Its very obvious that this engine had SERIOUS oiling/Lubercation issues. Perhaps the builder hasn't done very many of these twin turbo engines that make the MASSIVE amount of crank case pressure that twin turbos do. But if you go and look at a few turbo Big Blocks on pulling trucks and tractors. They all have the drain hoses that exit the back of the heads and return back to the oil pan. Something that was obviously missing here.
The rest of the who wanted what rods and all that is irrelevant at this point. The lack of oil in key places was going to destroy this engine very soon. The Mallory getting tossed out of the crank was a GIFT at this point. To bad it caused the crash and the subsequent body work. But some lessons are just more expensive to learn than others. I have NO worries about this engine going forward. With the watchful eye of Mr Bob McVay, when this goes back together it will be RIGHT.
They have no business ever touching a crank again whoever did that just ruined a bunch of reputations
This comment is for Tommy and I hope you don't take this the wrong way but it makes me happy and proud to hear you asking the questions that you are asking not just in this video but in the last several. I enjoy watching you and Billy learn and grow as mechanics and racers. You guys will be like the Bruder brothers one day. You can bet on that.
I could see that happening!
I love how both boys ask questions and pops takes the time to very thoroughly explain everything he also uses it as an an opportunity to teach them stuff...
This is going to be a great episode... This just shows what this channel is becoming and I love it. To see you start out in that S10.... The early days of your channel to see where you're at right now this is an amazing journey. I feel like I know you and your family so well.... What an amazing experience technology enables us to have these days. I'm from a time when there were no phones.. It was 10 cents on the corner Payphone. Is really amazing and fun
I'm older myself and I agree 💯 it is amazing how far we've come with all the technology we have now and like you I've watched Billy thru his journey and I'm so impressed not only with his racing but the man he's become... peace broth
All I’m gonna say is I’m really grateful there were no mobile phones around when I was growing up. 😳🤣🤣🤣
@@FarmsVilla AGREED 💯
@@FarmsVilla I agree, even though technology is great there is an essence missing. It may be hard for others to understand but I'm glad I grew up with corded land lines. Kids now hardly go outside, my youngest has eye problems from to much screen time. There's good and bad with everything.
I remember when prepaid calling cards came out, made calling home in the service much more convenient. Buddy we were poopin in the tall cotton then!!!
‘ Everything happens for a reason’ great way to look at things kid we live and we learn 🤙🏼 SRC #1
I agree. Great attitude Billy! Learn from the past but never beat yourself up over things that are beyond your control.
This will be a expensive lesson, But the ones that matter are rarely cheap. When you guys are done with putting this Aluminum BBC back together, you'll know what's what in it. And know where EXACTLY where to look if something shows up in data that isn't 100% to your liking. I wondered where the external drains that allow the oil to go back to the pan where in this engine from the start. As Bill said, "I'm no engine builder", But I've seen enough of these (And others) to ask questions when something looks like it missing. This poor engine just need to flow (oil) better, And will when you guys are done with it.
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If you drill the counterweight from either end of the crankshaft, the idea is to have a slight press fit on the heavy metal. Then you TIG the heavy metal in and it is not going to come out. To keep the TIG weld below the surface of the counterweight, you cut the heavy metal in a lathe so it sits below the surface of the counterweight and of course you chamfer the ends to give the weld something to fill, instead of leaving it flat. It helps to have a large drill press, or better yet a Bridgeport style mill and a purpose built fixture to hold the crank vertically to drill it. The fixture can be made easily out of a piece of one inch aluminum plate and drilled to bolt down to the mill table. It is basic machining and welding.
They just used the drill attached to the balance machine to drill. Never even took the crank off the machine, I'd bet $ on it. I had a dirt track motor come thru one time that they hillbilly balanced like that but they went deep and welded around the top edge and on the rear they added weight by welding some plate to the crank flange. Amazing what some guys get away with. I'll stick with putting the Mallory inline with the crank. That thing was about to be a Mallory metal machine gun!
.......sounds good, you weren't sleeping in class.
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Fun days
Bill, once again you've done an excellent job on explaining things on how everything works how it goes together, what needs to be done. I'm assured that with your guidance and Bob's that motor will go together right. So to another day may God bless you Tommy and Billy and keep Bob safe of course his family also, so from the Old Man in Tampa Florida may God bless
I really love his abilities.
I’m not a professional engine builder whatsoever. My main interest in this is my sons safety. I don’t think the Box family had anything but the best intentions. But clearly this combination was a bit outside their wheelhouse. I wish them the best in their future endeavors and thank them for offering to help fix the engine. We just don’t feel comfortable going that route.
You don't even need BOB to say anything, you know by , ugh, wow, all others I probably missed, but I've also been along since the s10 and Billy's blue truck to..it's basically watching the good thing's that building a house, home, and family members and friends...
Great people and even the locals who all know and help each other...
Great that Bob opens his shop to you. I just love listening to the knowledge your dear dad has. Huge hugs to all of you. And love you all.
Can’t wait to see what uncle bob has to say about the motor when he looks at it and that’s awesome that uncle bob will let you come up and use the shop after hours to put motors together or take them apart can’t wait to see it put back together and how it runs when uncle bob gets done with it
Thanks for asking questions Tommy! You asking all the stuff I want to learn/know. Don’t be afraid to ask because most of us are learning with you. I own the blue Malibu that was next to you guys at the ozarks.
I know Bob is good at what he does, but Steve Morris has an awesome video out about Crank Balancing that everyone should watch
Yes SMS is putting out some amazing video currently!
I been dealing with and watching Steve for many yrs and he's never done us wrong.
you are not seriously comparing corn- poe to Steve Morris are you?
Brent nobody needs to watch a video to know you don't install mallory metal vertically in the counterweights, that's just common sense. Apparently it's not so common for some.
@@nonenone3296 no I was just saying that Steve Morris has a really good video that details how to balance a crank and why Mallory gets installed from the side not vertically.
I can’t wait to see the tear down. You and dad working together makes my heart smile. Good luck and God Bless your entire family and crew!!!
A few things you should have checked Bill, side clearance on each pair or rods with a feeler gauge and check end play of the thrust bearing with a dial indicator. Both these things determine oil pressure. Also disassemble the oil pump and make sure there were no big scares in the bottom plate or gear faces and check clearance on the gears to the plate. There are all kinds of useful tricks in blueprinting and deburring the inside of an oil pump for high rpm running.
Bill is dead nuts on what the oiling issue is
Thanks guys for kind of talking through everything I truly enjoy watching you guys an the family I try to watch every thing you put out there it has never been a wast of time you are all down to earth it's kind of hard to find these day please keep it coming👍
Billy you are very lucky the block was not damaged. A spun main bearing or "another" piece of mallory coming out could have been seriously catastrophic. This is how we get better and go faster.
Gotta love pops, he was dropping knowledge this whole video. Love watching the fam work together, my fav part of videos.
Yep pops is right... Steve Morris said that exact same sentence about the expanding and contracting of aluminum blocks when he flew down to Florida to put a tighter bearings in for better clearance on Garretts engine.. you don't have to be an expert engine builder in order to know how they work and to know what doesn't work
I need to watch some of his videos. I see so many positive comments about him
Steve's an amazing guy. Profesional, caring, a racer at heart and gets frustrated. But gives his praises to the man above even when I think he feels like throwing an engine through a wall
@@theoldmansgarage Definitely. He is a genius and he truly is a great man. He is worth your time Bill. I also watch his stuff. More knowledge than I can keep up with. When Billy did the big block idea. He was the first person i thought of.
Add a morose or canton oil accumulator your problem solved especially during shutdown
Good luck.
Soak up all this info fellas. I appreciate the detailed info Bill. I learned from my pops the same way. Bought the cheapest wet nitrous kit from Jegs for my big block c10. Installed it secretly and blew the sumbitch up lol. He was pissed but helped me get it back together.
Good to see the SRC crew getting it done sure makes me miss doing work with my dad Im fortunate I learned a lot from him love the video guys God bless you all
Very good video! Thank you Tommy for asking the questions and you Bill for explaining. It really made me feel like I was standing right there with you guys. I love the racing content but at the same time this content is also great for learning. Thanks again.
Man, that is crazy that they hid the mallory installed like that! You are right, once they ground all the weld off it was just a matter of time before a piece got flung out!
Yep. Man If they were gonna install it like that, they could have counter sunk the hole, and beveled the edge of the Mallory too and they would have had a groove that allowed them to get penetration passed just the surface.
Inexperienced welding , and possibly just not giving a shyt
Blessing in disguise that it came apart in the first 100', could have been so much worse if Billy had gone half track or more and built up a good head of steam.
It impressed me that your dad, a old school hot rodder, and land guy, knew enough about welding processes to know exactly what happened.
He was absolutely right.. Mallory has tungsten in it.. the crank is probably cast or tool steel.
Those are dissimilar metals. So when he mig welded it , it was full of porosity.. so he ground it flat to hide it.. and because he didn't counter sink the hole, and bevel the edge around the circumference of the Mallory, and create a groove to weld in and allow for penetration passed just the surface of the parts, when he ground it , he ground ALL the weld off.
The old man may be a jack of all trades , but he knows detailed processes of alot of things. And that showed it. That's stuff only experienced fabricators and welders would recognize at a glance.
Thanks Bill , Billy and Tommy great video .
It sure brought back memories of myself and my dad at our shop .
Sometimes just being together helps make things better.
Glad to see the big block is repairable .
Keep on thrashing 👍
No I didn't want this video to end. I get excited every time I see a upload from SRC and old man's garage and gen2garage. Love the videos guys. Hopefully here in the near future I would like to start building something to race. I guess it's better late then never when it comes to building a car.
look at Bill's smile so so happy
Hey fellas, glad to see the motor not hurt too bad. Couple things:
Aluminum rods best for your app. There not that expensive and work well for the high boost stuff. Running some on my bbc now.
When you enlarge the valley oil holes, look into some mesh screen and epoxy them into place so if any thing breaks up top it won’t fall into the bottom.
He's a good teacher. I'd love to be able to spend time in his shop listening to everything he has to say
That new camera is THE. REAL DEAL!
Good work TommyBoy!
Those blocks where really designed for dry sump and pulling oil out of the valve train and valley with the dry sump with a wet sump you have to modify the returns for oil
Excellent assessment, and I agree.
Jeff- that is a fact. And I have heard that straight from Dick Maskin himself.
I took my dinner break as soon as I could to watch this.
Definitely love seeing you guys making content together.
I’m sure the nova will come back better than ever in no time!
I think I need
Billy, as a racer the only way to understand the heartbeat under your hood is to get it's blood on you. With Big Bill and Bob's guidance you are on the right track. I look forward to seeing you and Tommy grow from this even more. Big Bill, keep up the good work and teaching those young men the values that strengthens families and sportsmen alike. Hat off to you all, until next time.
Box Performance lives up to their name, because you have to carry the pieces of their engines back in a box after you make a pass
Great comment! Good play on words !
I can't believe they still have the box performance sticker on the nova windshield
More like ho home in a box performance they are going to get someone killed
it wasnt box performances fault for the engine failure the engine failed because the mallory came out. the people that put mallory misplaced it in one of box performance videos it states they had it done locally because src needed it done quicker. people jump on the hate wagon so quick lmao
@STW007 the story they told was that some dude at box performance that no longer works there put the Mallory in the crank. Now they're saying they outsourced it. Two different stories, and you're STILL siding with them. Yeah, I'm the one jumping on the bandwagon, and not you...
Uncle bob really is like one of those cool smart uncles for you guys
Another great example of showing, sharing info, and clarity on the tear down and reveal of the BB. Thanks for all your videos and content and this new build will be better and spot on with McVay!! Enjoy watching your family work together with much respect!! #src #omg #gen2
Steve Morris,made a Crank balancing video a year ago.And at 23:00 minutes into that video.He explains exactly what happens when you put Mallory metal into the top of the counter weight.
Also with belt it is smoother timing curve with trigger because of less slack and less harmonics. Belt acts as a damper to an extent! So more power any time you can remove harmonics!
It will be bigger and better when Y'all and uncle Bob get done with it. I really believe that the Nova would out run Beater 💣 bomb... love watching all of you're guys channels. Bill sr is fixing to gap that 6 speed truck when he leaves the line on 150 shot 🤣
Thank u for letting us watch the tare down
150psi wouldnt do shit with nitrous lol theyre like 1100psi usually for the sweet spot...you mean 150 shot i think lol
Will that kit do 200???? Trans is the weak link now.
Thank You Tommy for asking the questions that you did. Otherwise I wouldn't have had a clue what the hell was going on. Thx!
I'd strongly consider a dry-sump system on that block. Oil return otherwise is always going to be a problem. Loose ring gaps (excessive blow-by) with boost will always exacerbate the problem.
Dry dump will not only fix the oiling issue but will effectively give you a vacuum pump to help with the ring seal as well. $$$$$ well spent!!!!
And another plus is with a dry-sump there's no need to restrict the oil anywhere so the lifters and valvesprings will live longer.
Bingo. That’s the real fix
On cleetus elco Steve also put oil restrictors in the turbo feed lines the same time he over sized the bearings. Guess something else to think about... great video guys👍
Billy you sir are a class act you have your own idea of what went wrong but give your self time to calm down and things will work out and the truth always comes out enough good engine builders are watching and have formed their idea of what happened and caused this event you were lucky that it wasn't much worse then it was it was reading the comments I agree with most of the comments and some are way out in left field it's for you to form your own plan and uncle Bob will be the guy to ask your questions of good luck a whole lot of folks have faith in you Semper Fi
Man I can’t believe how many times they have had to rebuild due to lack of oil, especially this season already. It must be such a kick in the nuts especially knowing the potential of the Nova. I’d definitely get one of those huge oil pumps, big oil tank and dry sump it and never look back. This amount of power and being used for drag racing 90% are dry sump engines. This would free up even more power and solve the lack of oil issues for life
I can relate all too much to this video. One year I got really sick in the midst of a engine upgrade and overhaul of a Mighty Mouse 400 4 bolt main steel crank cast iron engine bored 30 over with Pop up Piston and mild race cam valve train by Crane Cams anyway, during my long illness my closet friends decided to finish up the block build but somehow forgot about the rear cam seals, needless to say we toasted that motor while it starved for oil with out those cam seals installed we spun out the mains toasted the balanced crank and managed to crack that block to junk. However, the old camel back Heads survived along with the cam and valve train setup. As of today I am still running all that in my original 2 bolt mains 1967 canister filtered 350. Very expensive lesson for us all. Now days, I really need to pull the heads from the old engine to upgrade the valves to handle today's pump gas over yesterdays Lead gas. The car is a 1967 Chevrolet Camaro 350 RS/SS Turbo 2 speed power glide transmission 12 bolt positive transaction rear end gears basically all original car paint , brakes. interior and all. Take it out now and then keep it registered and insured for the such occasions.
I say don't just replace 2 rods, replace them all have it balanced to the crank and studs with all new stuff including the pistons as BILL said the skirts look warn in my opionion too.
Our nostalgia Rail had a California 540 merlin with a 871 littlefield blower and a German Town Wi. powerglide doing 1200 + on alcohol at 30% boost in the 7:80 range for the quarter mile.
Agreed IF they can get the new rods they need in a reasonable amount of time. Have to remember their cars are not just their hobby. They are used for their business/livelihood via CZcams. Good news is they still have the truck and the Falcon to race with and make content.
A dry sump oiling system will eliminate the oiling problems and a vacuum pump will eliminate the crankcase pressure problems.
I dont know sheat and I have to say that engine stand is about the best thing I have ever seen except SRCs content that is.
You’re an amazing young man that was raised right to stay so positive it could’ve been much worse but it sucks the financial hardship crashing your new car but we’re all behind you and you’ll be back and the trucks fresh on killer and winning money Love y’all
That was a good point on having that intake leak having an effect on oil pressure! Gonna Badder than Before!
The Nova gonna hard to deal with. Can't wait to see more of it. N the lil truck ain't ready to benched yet either.
Ok, so here I am, the FORD guy !! Bill, you just admitted, without saying it, that Ford had the " Better Idea" when they put the distributor in the front of the engine. Not only MUCH more user-friendly for the home mechanic with the grocery-getter, but way more performance oriented for all of us !! And yes, our oil sump pickups are in the back, so no oil starvation on those hard, GM BEATING launches !!! You know I have the greatest ammount of respect for you guys from my previous comments, so I'll be on the edge of my seat over here in N.H. waiting for your rebuttal !!!!!
Yeah, all those fox bodies running GM based engines say otherwise. You don't see guys putting Ford engines in their Camaros 🤣
@@stevereeves9104 Actually, they do ! Check out Kye Kelly's latest NPK ride. Mid 80's Camaro, stroker small block Ford. He's finally getting smart in his old age 👍
Who ever behind camera thank you for asking questions you did very interesting and helpful even though I'm into engineering and racing I don't know much about engines or racing engines.
In circle track we run restrictors on solid cams. No oiling problems.
Good to see y’all didn’t “kick” the other engine builder no matter where the blame is . Not saying it’s yalls or there’s but lessons learned. Getting impatient can cost . Glad Billy is ok and the car isn’t destroyed. Glad y’all made your way back home to “uncle bobs” . Hope I didn’t step on any toes ! Love the channels !! Thank y’all
It's not there fault so that just leaves one!
@@RustyWells2 yup but its not billy or box performance fault its the shop that had the weights in the crank that fucked up
Lucky to have such a Great father. The knowledge about engines that man has in his head is amazing. Youll get it up and going cant wait for the rematch!
Just when I start to think I’ve learned a good amount, this man just blew my mind with the that amount of info. This is a very informative video more people need to watch.
Box performance Billy waited soon long for the Engine because they got sick .. Billy and Bill are good people for waiting its sad that Box performance almost got Billy hurt its not right they need to make up for it ... Something was wrong with the engine from the start
Absolutely.
Tommy thank you asking these questions. Was interesting to hear bills theories reasons etc. hope to god whatever shop built this goes out of business. Terrible to lie to your customers. Also terrible that Billy could have been hurt. If this happen going past the Finnish line. Glad you are safe Billy! ❤️
I know exactly how you feel. My oil pump drive shaft snapped at the end and I didn’t realize it. Made one last pass, loaded the car up, and unloaded it at home, all with no oil pressure. Good luck and God Speed!
So sorry that this had to happen to Billy and the nova. But I do injoy watching and listening to Bill Sr talk and explain what has happened, and the damage caused. It truly is a blessing that you all can work and play together as a close family .
Uncle Bob seems like a really cool guy. Other than the extra plumbing, cost and limited space in the engine bay for a tank, is there any specific reason why you won't go the dry sump route or is that still up in the air? Either way, she'll be back way better than she was. Super pumped for you and your team, Billy.
Don't reply to the scammer, that ain't Billy.
Sorry this happened Billy but thanks for being transparent at least and saving who knows how many of us from going through the same things... Respect...a lot of other guys would have kept it quiet for a little bit of money or free engine work in the future but you know you don't want your work being done there the lying to you is what really did it for me... After they lied to you more than once everything they've ever said went right out the window in the trash because all their word is worth now is trash...
My thoughts exactly.
Another good video...someone made a video on yt trying to give you a set of aluminum con rods,different brand though,and used...you guys have a bigger team than I thought...can't believe Billy bought a Ford,she clean though...best of luck with everything guys..love the cars and content,but the family dynamic is what makes me a huge fan...Bill really is a good teacher,speaks really well,and keeps it simple so anybody can understand him...he could start a tutorial channel and do very well...I love that Nova,and can't wait to see it get dialed in,that car is gonna take you places,and fast...keep kicking @$$ and stacking cash...I never miss a video...
As always great video ya'll!!! Glad the engine wasn't totally ruined ya'll will get it a whole lot better than before just really sucks that it wasn't built right the first time. Good luck on gettin it together the way it should be. Thanks for sharing be safe good seein ya'll work together.
It really sucks the way Box build that engine with very little oil return and especially the way they f..cked up balancing the crank. I don`t understand how they are able to stay in business. I`m confident uncle Bob and y`all will build it right and you will have a real monster when it`s done. As always best of luck to y`all and great content.
That's the kind of unforced error that kills a business outright. And so it should. IDK if it was lack of knowledge or just being cheap and skimping or what their reasoning was to balance the crank like that but no matter. They should have outsourced it or at least ordered a crank from someone who did know wth they were doing.
The reputation they could have gained by building engines for a high profile individual like Billy was a golden ticket for them... and they used it for toilet paper.
@@Loki13M Absolutely!!
Make sure to remove decal on windshield and have one made for uncle Bob.
Shoot, Uncle Bob said it was time for a foot long corndog and a funnel cake!🤣🤣 Great video as always Guys! Please keep um coming
Great video guys!, I never would have imagined the crank being half-assed!. I'm glad the rest of the engine is in good shape!. At least now you know your engine is in good hands with Bob!.
The Bills don't look happy!
Imagine calling yourself a performance shop and literally ruining somebody's crank before the engine was ever started 🤦 ...
Especially when they said Callies. Balanced the crank. That's bull shit
@@garytanton6782 exactly.. if they just admitted it and offered to make it right this would have went so differently he may not have wanted them to touch the engine anymore after seeing what happened with the Mallory but at least they would have saved their name if they would do that to a high profile client that has hundreds of thousands of people following him what would they do to your average Joe?
Thank God it wasn't worse and hopefully you are able to give this thing a few upgrades and having it performing the way it was intended. You've got the right people on the job thats for sure.
bob leaves says im goin to the fair.. no worries at all about all the shop stuff or clients stuff. thats what u call a friendship and a good bond trust between people.
That slug of Mallory on the OD of the counterweight is what went wrong.
I wouldn’t be taking it back to wherever you had the work done for sure. That’s extremely dangerous.
that rod in billys hand looks pretty effed lol
No doubt. The original engine builder was a hack and then wouldn’t stand behind his work. Lack of quality and lack of character. Bad for him as SRC has a ton of followers and everyone in SRC’s area now knows to avoid them.
I won't say the name but if you go back and watch videos the nova had a banner in the window they put out a statement on Facebook basically saying mistakes happen just like they assumed it kicked a rod out personally that felt like a good assumption and blames them for taking the oil pan off without them being there personally I would hold the engine builder responsible for it because at the end of the day it wasn't parts failure which happens on any engine especially high power raceing engine but workmanship issue and they put the crank in it so that says to me they inspected it and was comfortable with it because most places have 1 or 2 "dry" fit assembles before final assemble
@@johnspratt4421 last video they still had the sticker on the nova I'd of took it off long ago
@@jasonstormoen yeah depends on the situation if they are under contract because of the sponsorship of the engine or not where they have to keep the banner for so long ect but if not it would be gone as soon as they lied about who balanced the crank I get it shit happens but that's a big ass mistake that could have been deadly what if it would have happened on the big end and it was a close race not only going Into the guard rail head on at 150 plus then probably getting t boned at 150 also I bet that it is something checked every new engine they build now but missed the first time is a big no for me and I will admit it probably wouldn't have hit the wall with a diaper or belly pan on which to me isn't smart at all like I would have a diaper and a fire system on board and not a portable 1 get 1 that does the engine to try and save the car and in cab to save you
I have seen cranks with the mallory installed the same as yours and never had an issue. Is it the correct way is debatable due to where the weight needs to be. I agree that who ever welded it should not attempt to weld anything ever again. You can tell that the oil pump sucked the pan dry and it definitely had a problem getting the oil from the top end back to the pan. You guys know what needs to be done to fix the oiling issues.
That's honestly the only way I've ever seen them put in a crank. As a lifelong welder, the difference is exactly what bill pointed out. They look to be mig welded in and then they ground the weld off. Any Mallory I've ever seen inserted was tig welded and the weld was only touched if it was necessary for balancing.
Those plugs should have been sunk and filled with weld
@@jeremywitteveen880 I have 40 years of experience building race engines and mallory is installed where the balance program tells you to install it. We always weld it and x-ray the welds. Luckily we had a facility close by that performed the welding and x-ray tasks. One it was all welded up we rechecked the balance and made final adjustments.
@@mikemaccracken3112 I understand that, I'm just saying you don't mig weld them in then grind the weld off 🤦♂️
Everyone does a phenomenal job on this channel. The old man has raised men and great values especially to earn the trust or bob with his investment. Great genuine people, great channel and definitely imo one of the best.
This is cool 😎 to see father and son working together again peace my friends north Carolina love's y'all buddy 👍
It will not stop at beater💣bomb billy is on a mission 💯
They went to junk box performance that's what went wrong
Steve- you make a lot of comments. I’m not saying they didn’t screw up because it’s pretty obvious BUT…… WTFRU? That’s who the fuck are U ?
Thanks for sharing the teardown. You guys made allot of good points on oil drain back. Thats one thing many "engine builders" neglect. Sounds like you have a solid game plan moving forward.
Everyone needs to watch Steve Morris engines " Oh no low oil pressure " video.
Billy, especially look at cam synce install.
Great video as always!
SRC to the front!!
Also watch Steve Morris engines video
" checking bearings on mullet"
Do you turbo's drains go to oil pan?
They might have drain fittings from heads to pan also.
Also check oil restrictors in turbo feed lines
DRY SUMP SYSTEM -- a couple of stages pulling from the heads, a stage pulling from the lifter galley -- eliminates having to drive the oil pump from the cam -- win win win.... Only way to go.... I know you hate spending the money on this kind of things, but you're spinning a BBC almost to 8k.... It cost money now save you money later....
And as Morris said in his last video, If you can't afford to fix it when it breaks, then you shouldn't be running it.
That block is designed to be run as a dry sump
Would a dry sump help your application?
Pop's is smart af.I love learning this stuff,I trust you,and Steve Morris, best in the biz
Man...ol uncle Bob is a hell of a fella. Just leaving yall to it in the shop. Those are the people you want in your corner. Can't wait to see this. I love theore technical side of things. Can't wait for it to be finished and out dominating but I'll take in all the info possible till then.
Been building those engines and blocks for many many yrs I open up the valley returns and drill the dividers so oil doesn’t stay in the valley area. I use restrictors in them. The best oil pan I have found is the Moroso eliminator pan or the Steve Schmidt oil pan. Data logging oil pressure on 100s of bbc and never see oil pressure issues.
Great information about the best oil pans!!! Thanks for sharing !
I believe this is the first one I've ever seen that didn't have the dividers drilled, not that I've seen a ton but I've seen a few
Wow ...all of Sudden everyone in the comments are professional engine builders....lol
Usually you drill a hole through a allen head plug screw it inside the block then cap it with another plug. Usually the rear cam oiler restrictors are larger then in the front. Run a vacuum pump on that engine . Some of those rod bearings scratches are dirt. The Main bearings are toast. What did the thrust side of the mains look like. The crankshaft looks like it was used in another build. Billy you need .055 minimum stretch clearance for aluminum rods. Reuse the pistons send them out for coating. You can run the pistons zero Deck or .005 out of the deck but run a gasket thickness to allow for the growth. Have that block checked for crankshaft and cam bore alignment
Good video, you may want to ask uncle Bob about opening up those oil return holes, I know we used to machine them open so the were oval not bigger just longer we would go out the same as the diameter so if they are 1/2" holes we would make them 1/2" x 1.1/2" long. Something to look at also external drains back to sump are a good thing.
It would make me happy to see tommy light that Box performance sticker up with his Ar15 lol
Sounds nice but windshields are expensive
“Premieres in 8 hours” 😫 ahh, the suspense is killing me! Video already has more likes and comments than any of mine. Haha!
Seriously though, what happened really sucks. So glad Beater Bomb pushed through the lights and didn’t launch. This would be an entirely different video. Can’t wait to see the new engine. This Nova is going to be such a beast!
I like your attitude young man. That's one reason I watch your channel.
New subscriber here hate that I found out about you the way I did but have went back and watched quite a few older videos. Will for sure be sticking around to see you bring this engine and raceway back to life.
Did you get permission to remove the oil pan from YOUR engine first??? LOL
The windshield sticker needs to go!
@@theoldbigmoose just because they had a disagreement doesn't mean the company isn't any good guys come on let's not play the cancel culture game. Yes they should've been straight about the crank from the get go but they figured it out and offered to make it right and that's not so bad now is it
@@theoldbigmoose I think it needs to stay but add "ask me about" on front of it lol
@@jonathanlawson4667 that motor has had nothing but problems from day 1 they can't get the oil pressure right for one he took it to them once already they changed the bearing and the oil pan and Billy said he damn near lost oil pressure in the burn out right before the wreck
@@tommycook9620 And they tried their best to help him out with that!
Don't jump the tree , the lowdown coming our way .
Great video SRC. I really like Tommy asking your dad questions. Glad to see that block and those heads are undamaged. Wonder if Billy will also switch to an isky camshaft in the Nova.
I know this a BBC and I don't know if this is applicable but when I converted my 428cj from a hydraulic flat tappet camshaft to a solid lifter camshaft I put restrictors in the heads and the block and with a high pressure/high volume oil pump and ten quart oil pan I had 100 psi cold and 70 when hot with 20-50w oil. Without those restrictors the damage to bearings would be exactly what you guys are experiencing. It's going to be better than ever when you guys put it back together. Most of all you will know exactly what you got and what clearances are. Go fast and be safe. God bless you and your family and friends.