My Tractor's Not What I Thought It Was!
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- My Tractor's Not What I Thought It Was! How to know what engine your antique tractor has. What engine should your Farmall tractor have? #farmallfanatic #antiquetractors #farmall
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That's a u-2 power unit engine you can tell by the dip stick, provisions for a mechanical fuel pump and cut out for forward mounted starter. I have a U-2 I can take pictures for reference if you'd like. Water pump can be added to any c-113.
How many horsepower do you think it is
@@FarmallFanatic I have some books and literature on them I'll take a look
Thanks for the wisdom and knowledge!
Looks great and sounds great. Looking forward to seeing it in the field.
Nothing sounds better than nice running farmall or case tractor working up ground letting out them deep tones or putting a nice glow on the exhaust!!
You take good care of your equipment. Well done. 👍👍
So cool!
Great video that has left a lot of questions unanswered 🤔 really strong sounding engine that 💪 look forward to seeing it working 💪Red Power 💥👍
It will all get figured out
My dad used to have Farmalls when I was a kids growing, I remember seeing a Super H, Super M, and a M. Good tractors then we had a 1365 Fiat Oliver and a 1655 with the loader
Sir, you have a good thing going on. I gotta tell you, I kinda miss your old opening with the missle attack on the green iron. Thanks for taking the time to create great content. Happy Independence Day
A bunch of people complained one guy, even said that the missile scares his dog... because it's so loud.. I doubt hes even subscribed to my channel at this point in time.
Dyno videos would be really cool. Earmuffs might like a try at the tractor pulls. Thanks for the videos 🇺🇸
Gotta make sure she's pushing ponies first l o l
If only our tractors and equipment could tell their life stories, it would make for some interesting conversation!😊
No doubt
Agreed, ole earmuffs😂perfect!! She doesn’t waste any time firing off…enjoy the 4th FF and thank you for your service 🇺🇸💥🇺🇸
Happy Independence Day
That Super C sounds really nice!!
I love it!
Super C looks and sounds good! Still working on my SA restoration. Rebuilt the entire touch control unit and it works flawlessly. Interesting that you mentioned the touch control temperature gauge. Ive installed a new one from Steiner. A little bummed out though. the strainer had a workmanship flaw in the form of two little pinholes where the adapter for the temp sensor was soldered in. Leaked immediately. At first I thought it was the little nontypical square cut o ring it came with. So I installed a nice industrial type o ring. Then I got out the magnifying glasses and discovered the pin holes leaking. I hope to get a replacement from Steiner. Thanks for the videos. ill be watching. Oh and I hope your front crank seal turned out well. Mine leaked. And I was meticulous when I installed. not sure what went wrong. Maybe a little too much wear on the pulley seal shoulder. Im not gonna sweat it since I've seen almost every similar restored tractors at the shows with drip mats underneath them.
Well it just depends on how bad it's leaking
Farmall C113 engines could have a water pump added. Even if not originally fitted with one. So the presence of a water pump doesn't mean anything. IH offered a conversion kit to add a water pump to a 113. The 123 came with a water pump from the factory.
Then how do you explain the dipstick
the c113 engine was built in 4 piston configurations from the factory a low compression piston set for distillate or K1 , standard piston set 6:1 compression a 5000ft higher compression piston set and a 8000ft high altitude piston set. there were 2 different governors the original RPM setup and the faster RPM set up. . this engine was also used on carnival rides with the AC B and C engines which were equally as popular all of them i have seen ran magnetos
I always think it’s really neat what people did to get the unit back up and going. I’m going to try and research but I’m wondering if it’s a stationary power unit that got reworked. Still a sweetheart of a tractor!
Anything is possible I really wantna know the horse power
Old Farmall mechanic down here in Butler county that has forgotten more than both of us know about a Farmall , told me one time 100 pumps in each axle seal on the rear
Okay now I don't feel guilty going twenty pumps
I sold our IH McCormick Model 91 combine to a fella a few years back and he bought it for the engine. Was going to put it into his Super C pulling tractor
Where are you from?
She's a real beauty, sounds, looks and moves!
Excellent video Gino :) also think Super C another give away is the on 202 Cubic Inches 4 cylinders gas motor in 1964 to 1968 in McCormick International 105 C combine has Hydraulic pump run off crank too if want know that !
One thing's for sure. It runs like a Singer sewing machine...sounds good.
That nice 😊
The factory IH FireCrater and M&W Turbo Domes available back in the day were said to increase the engine by 10 horsepower. More than likely you do have a combine engine that someone repowered the tractor with after the first engine had failed. My super M has a set of M&W pistons in it, and you can tell it has more power than the super M normally has.
is the super C for sale-former IHC dealer
Hello Gino to wet around here for any field work. Tractor looks great. Have a good evening
Yeah it rained here too
@@FarmallFanatic 2 1/4 " here rain gage on my deck
We might have got a quarter of an inch here
I believe the C-113 can have a water pump depending on the application. That's a power unit engine given the cut out for the starter. The 64 combines often use the C-113. I'll have to double check but I'm pretty sure the later C-113 powered Super A tractors have a pressure cap on their radiator and a water pump.
What about a dipstick
@@FarmallFanatic The C-113s in the 64 combines use dipsticks, and same with the U2 power unit. The dipstick may have an engine running and engine stopped side.
I am pretty sure the starter on the combine and baler engines came from the front under the oil filter. The A and C engines the starter comes from the rear of the fly wheel housing. My guess is someone got a cheap sleeve kit for a 113 and was told it was just as good as a normal 123. We put a 123 baler engine on our A. Had to leave a bolt out sine block had a notch in it.
I say you planted Corn. Just kidding. No idea.
Nice Farmall’s! With some luck maybe I’ll own a classic Farmall one day too!
I will show in an upcoming video l o l
There was one for sale near me, but it was a straight C with a fast hitch added. That 130 I had was a mongrel 130/100/superA and I had a super c with 230 tin and fast hitch on it
Yeah i've seen them mixed and matched
I have 1953 Super C with a dipstick, too. It's a head scratcher, but I'm a novice on these things.
Mine is a U2 power unit
I’m betting it’s a swather motor , we have. A guy here that has one , apparently the notch in the bell housing is the give away , depending on stroke that will really change the CI
How many horse power
@@FarmallFanatic I’m not sure on his HP numbers , I believe around 30-40 even stuffed a super H carb on, it pulls pretty stout 3500-4500lbs sounds really healthy
Red I like red power LOL 😊
Water pumps can be added to non pump type. Add pressure cap..
Yeah but this has a dip stick too
Cool tractor. And, it has a Fordson toolbox!
Yeah I like that tool box
I got a hydraulic gauge for my super c from Steiner tractor and it works great
I'll have to try one
Yep sounds like Red Power. Let it roll.
I have the same thing with my super c. The dipstick has an engine stopped and an engine running side. I was told by my local farmall guru that it is a power unit engine. I'm not sure on my engine bore but I do have a water pump.
Any idea on horsepower
I took a IH 55 baler motor that had been rebuilt and put it in a B that I had bought with cracked block probably 35 years ago. I know for one thing I had to grind out part of the front housing where the steering shaft went other than that was bolt in and drive I think it had a dip stick as well as the level plugs in pan but thinking now maybe I had to change oil pans as well would account for that can't remember to much water down the river all I know always wished I never sold it but I now have 2 B's so I'm ok.😉
Did it seem to have more horse power or the same
@@FarmallFanatic At the time I thought it did but didn't have anything to compare it to. Just know was a good deal bought the baler with a new battery and rebuilt motor for 75.00 took the motor off and new battery at auction site and sold the rest of the baler to the scrap man for you guessed $75.00 and smiled all the way home 😁
Ironically my Farmall A had a very similar engine. I believe it's a transplant of some kind. I definitely know my A's was a transplant. The tractor was a 45 but the engine was a 54. If you look by the dipstick, where the block bolts to the bell housing. There's a notch carved out in the casting in the (shape of a C) where the starter would mount when it was on its previous implement or wherever it came from. Also, below the distributor you can see a block-off plate covering where a fuel pump could be added. My A didn't have a water pump but I believe you could just add one to any c-113 but don't quote me on that. If you want to get an idea of where the engine came from you can look at the engine's serial number prefix. The serial number prefix on my tractor's engine was "IMAM" meaning it came from a No. 55 baler. The engine serial number should be above the distributor on the top right corner of the block. Find the prefix and you might find out what implement it came from. Hope this help and good luck with the tractor, sounds like a sewing machine 😁👍
Definitely helps out
@@FarmallFanatic Glad it could help 👍
That is Interesting my 53 super c doesn't have a water pump but the 51 does
I may be wrong, but we had a square bailer with an engine very similar to that as its power plant instead of a PTO. It has been a long time, but that may be worth investigating.
U2 Stationary? I'm wondering the horse power
The baler was it a T 45 with a small hand crank on the side and dip stick the front baler hitch had a single tire on front as well My dad said same engine as cub or A unsure that was mid 1960 to 70 when used great machine
@@casedoumasr656 In the late 50's we had a IH 55t baler with a c engine on it.
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Engines in older tractors may have been changed for a variety of reasons. If they've been reworked and putting out the rated power (or more) who's to complain. We had a 450 with a 264 block (likely out of a Super M). I'm inclined to believe it was a gas-start diesel that failed and someone converted it to gas. That old beast earned its keep until we traded it for a 656 utility with a loader.
Oh I totally agree
It could be. I've seen tractors that were diesel converted to gas. The hoods are different. On the 400 and 450 gas, there are 3 holes for the exhaust, air cleaner, and fuel tank on the left hood and no holes on the right hood. On the diesel, there are 2 holes on each hood. The exhaust and starting tank are on the right on a diesel. Also, the serial tag should be marked with D on a diesel. Even though it's a 264 block, it may be a 281 internally. The C-264 and 281 use the same block.
I've seen IHC square balers with a water-cooled IHC power unit driving the baler. Never got close to see which Power Unit it had.
Our Farmall C with the 113 in it has a water pump
That is a curiousity. I'm not a motor head so I really have no clue. I do know guys switch out engines. Sometimes they don't get them matched up to the rest of the tractor. I had an Ford ltd once that somebody switched out the engine on and it would twist off the spline shaft. They went from a Cleveland to a Windsor 351. Different shafts.
That had to be fun
Could the side rails have anything to do with the engine? Or possibly just for accessories? “Earmuffs”and toolbox.
Well it's definitely for accessories what additional I don't know
I would assume that that engine probably came off of a power unit. I know that I H made a ton of power units at that time frame and they were popular to swap into tractors.
Definitely
It’ll run forever 🇺🇸
I think a model 55 or 56 baler had the some motor and that would explan the dip stick being where it is,
Is actually really convenient
Still a nice tractor.
Oh it's solid
that is a U2 stationary, rightt side cut out for starter also missing one bolt on right side.
Approximately how many horsepower
Boy, you are right, that thing runs like a top
Yeah it's not too happy when I turn it off
@@FarmallFanatic ha!
My C has bigger pistons and sleeves (Super C displacement).
It reminds me of my farmall H because my H has a Stationary engine and has a Dipstick in the block and makes more hp than a Normal h
That's what i'm hoping
I do not know the horse power, I have one in a farmall A came out of the oilfield here in IL. 113 cubic inch also has the water pump, mine has flat top pistons.
Does it seem like it has a lot more horsepower than a regular a
Nice video. This question is unrelated to the video but I though you'd know more about it than Google. How many bottoms do you think a stock M with loaded tires and wheels weights pull in less than ideal soil. My grandpa says his stock MD pulled a 4 bottom pull type with ease. I was wondering if my M would pull 4
I am here to wholeheartedly tell you that in less than ideal soil...You are looking at maybe 3 bottoms
@FarmallFanatic that's what I was kinda thinking, too bad the pull type we have is a 4 bottom 😂
Well that's fine
It was an option in the southern states to order a 113 in a super C I could no tell you why but they did they only made 7
With a water pump and a dipstick?
@@FarmallFanatic it was an experimental thing IH was working on in the early 50s my bosses dad worked for IH and he was on the design team for the 06 and 56 series and also worked on the super series tractors as a advisor and they tried to use a smaller engine with higher horsepower to conserve fuel consumption they only did it with the super C and they used the 113 engine and put the better pistons in it as to give better hp and performance the dip stick was part of a new idea to add dipsticks to the super series in late 54 most likely your tractor is a hand built tractor with hand fitted parts and accessories the water pump was another thing IH was experimenting with and trying to perfect they made 7 tractors and sold them Down south 4 were sent back to be refitted with new engines and 1 was scrapped so as far as I know my boss and you have the last two left in existence he has one set up just like yours as his dad bought the tractors from IH to work on his own farm like he has a smta with fast hitch and a factory IH tac and dash it was the only one built he also has the first 806 diesel ever made FYI he also worked at the local IH dealer as a sales manager
@@MaclearieFarms That experience can't be replaced
@@FarmallFanatic thank god for his work logs he was one of the lead designers of the 06 series and my boss gave me his dads book of designs drawings and notes for my 15th birthday in march he also has the first ever printed copy of the Farmall 806 owners manual
McCormick bailer engine model 55 I think
A lot of the time of it has no markings on the block it's a replacement block. I've seen a few like that. No serial number just the firing order. C-135
Yeah I was surprised to see this bored out at three inches
Power unit engine block. C-113 engines can have a water pump added to them. Same as a C-123. Most all C-123’s came with a water pump from factory. C-113’s were thermosiphon. Have larger coolant passages in the block and head than C-123’s by what I’ve always understood.
Explain the dipstick and that's not an aftermarket dipstick either
Power units had dipsticks by what I understand. Couldn’t use petcocks. The starters were mounted with the ends of them facing the front of the engine hence the cut out spot that don’t quite bolt up right under the dipstick. Farmall 51 has a C with the same kind of engine on his channel. C-153 I’m thinking it was. Somebody could put sleeves and pistons in it I guess to make a 113.
He said 135 but I just don't see it.
That's definitely an odd one, my 49' C has that same style of dipstick and the block is notched next to it like yours but it doesn't have a water pump.
Definitely a headscratcher I will find out
@@FarmallFanatic the serial # on my block is IMAM 8642
@@FarmallForever O k I'll check mine tomorrow
No water pump on a c . Super c = water pump.
@ronskancke1489 we both have a different block than a regular C or super C. The only determining factor would be band or disc brakes.
You were talking about cultivating if you have ever used a C to cultivate you'll be spoiled there's no better cultivating tractor the A an cub are good but a C,s great get some cultivators for it
Ok, I’ve been watching your videos and many others with the Farmall brand. Here’s the question. What’s the difference between the “C” and the “Super C “?
The C had the 113 cubic inch engine and the Super C had the 123 cubic inch engine. Also the Super C had the 2 point fast hitch whereas the C didn't.
@@MarkWYoung-ky4uc Yea I look up on tractor data. Nebraska test. So this is not a super C Thanks
@@donvoll2580It is a Super. Just had an engine swap. Regular Cs had band brakes, straight pedals, and no gap between the gas tank and hydraulic block. Super Cs have disc brakes, the pedals are angled back towards the platform more, and there’s a gap between the tank and hydraulics, due to the sheet metal sitting higher to clear a larger radiator.
Oh, i'm not questioning whether it's a super or a regular c, i'm questioning the engine
Hello Farmall Fanatic. I have a 53 super a. It's still 6v. I can't get spark at the points. The positive side of the coil is attached to the side of the distributor. I have the negative battery terminal to right now but i'm thinking its should be positive battery terminal to ground now. Could that be why theres no spark at the points? I tried a 12v coil that cross referenced to my 6v coil from Napa.
your thots? Thank you
Sorry it's been three weeks have you figured anything out yet
I think if you can pick it up you should throw it on the dyno
I'm thinking pulltype combine or hay baler Gino. AL B.
Yeah that's my guess
Earmuffs- 🤣🤣🤣 I hope someone figures out what engine that is because I am really curious!
Somebody will know
Put it on the Dyno 👍🍻🚨🚀💥🚜🔥
Ill send you an email. I don't think I can send pictures on the comments here but I want to see what the water pump looks like, upper radiator neck and a better picture of the bore of the pistons.... Im sure its a power unit engine from something like a swather or combine. Looks like 3 1/4" when I stop at the block measuring with the tape measure but hard to see it on my phone......
3"
Just doing a little reading that there was a aftermarket kit to put a water pump on a C113.
What about the dipstick
@@FarmallFanatic not sure on that but did a early C have a dipstick. Also your A Farmall has a later engine in it because it has the plate for a hydraulic pump which Farmall A didn't have.
Just doing little more reading some 1954 did have dipstick but most likely since it's a 113 it was probably a power unit engine to have a dipstick.
I just want to know the horse power
@@FarmallFanatic I am guessing since power units are usually higher with it being a 113 you are still probably close to stock up of a 123 around 25 hp.
So they thought it was out of a combine.... Maybe its a power unit off a pull type combine or something??
That's what I figure
Is it crimson clover, like McGee homestead said to plant?
Ahahahahahahaha 🤣
Lay it on him!😂😂😂
Looks identical to my 123 power unit engines twin
With the dip stick and everything?
@@FarmallFanatic yes sir
Probably a power plant motor.
They had dip sticks.
That's what I figure
At 1:17 sir,, You nearly had your finger right on it, there is numbers stamped on a flat just under the number one spark plug recess, behind the coil That is supposed to match the number on your identification tag serial number,
I'm trying to remember what power units begin with, UA1 perhaps or UAA?
On my 1945 "A" the number stamped there begins, "FAA"
Yeah it's definitely a power unit of something not a tractor
First thought I had too. The engine s/n should give you info. It's coded in the prefix. The engine and chassis s/n likely don't match in this case. The engine and chassis s/n on the early production tractors would match, but in later years the numbers "drifted" apart.
I'm just interested in finding out what it came off of and how much horsepower it's putting out
Probably has repair sleeves
Please Dyno it! That would be a good video
Does a Super A have a water pump on it?
No I show it in the video but I have a regular a
That could be your vintage puller.
Yeah no doubt
What engine did the 91 combine have in it.
135
The water pump somebody just added that my super a originally did not have one but I added one on
Yeah but what about the dipstick
@@FarmallFanatic I’ve never seen that before
That's what i'm saying
It said they originally came a 26 horsepower with the motor in the Pistons that you got I would say you're probably making about 30
Yeah, but this isn't a 123.
Old ear muffs must be a hybrid
Dyno-mite!
Doesnt the Super C have a water Pump? I THOUGHT that was a difference between the C and the Super C...
Yes, if it had the 123 engine, but this is a 113 cubic inch engine, and they don't come with a water pump.
@@FarmallFanatic im so confused...
Have to agree combine or could have come off a baler. Balers had a few options on engines. Not sure on the power units what they all had available.
Why changing out front rubber? Look good from my vantage
I kind of want to restore it or at least get it closer to restored
@@FarmallFanatic u have more cash 💸 than I have cents! Have a relaxing 😌 😎 4th!
I wouldn't say that
Princess Leia!
Did you want the RH battery box piece or no? I still have it and its free. Ya just need to tell me where to send it to.....
What do you mean?
@@FarmallFanatic I left you a comment on a previous video about an original 1954 Farmall right side battery box to replace the one you don't like with the weird cutouts for the battery cables. Ya asked where in Ohio I lived, and I never heard back from ya. Still willing to ship it to ya just need to know where to send it.
Maybe it come off a pull type combine?
That's where i'm leaning
@@FarmallFanatic would be cool to find the history behind it. Could have been a power unit from a baler or pull type forage harvester. I'm happy you're not upset about it. You hear or transplants from combines to the bigger 56-86 series but not the smaller and vintage models. Very unique
Don’t you have a 2 or 3 bottom dyno you can hook it too?
No I don't own a dyno
@@FarmallFanatic I meant that pulling a plow will tell you how much power it has
I wonder if it is a moter from a 504
I think it's a power unit
at 4:53..........that is what I call an IMMEDIATE start !
It's a fantastic running machine
*I* STILL thinkyou should PAINT the WEIGHTS BLACK and call her PRINCESSESS LEAH!~!! :) (misspeeeleed for copyrite porpuses....)
Ahahahahahahaha 😆
Can you read the serial # on the block?
Yeah I believe there is a serial number
@@FarmallFanatic It's been many years, but I think there is a prefix # on there that would tell you the model. It;s right behind the rod on the right side of the block towards the front where the block meets the head
Should leave the ear muffs on and name it Princess Leia.
I really have no intentions on removing them
@@FarmallFanatic They're pretty unique.
Corn if you’re going to cultivate
😁
its a header motor
could perhaps be soybeans. Dave D.
Nope