Invincible Season 2 is Incredible (So Far)
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Invincible is finally back after a long break, and it's top notch. in this video, I go over why I loved it so much. From Omni-Man to Atom Eve and much more.
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Everything you talked about in this video was completely spot on, your analysis is amazing and the best I've come across on this platform!
The problem never was super hero fatigue...the problem was lack of creativity fatigue...
You mean lack of creativity?
James gunn said the same thing
@@Zombiesnyder13probably better worded as: “a fatigue of the lack of creativity”
And the other problem was going woke and inserting identity politics
“The problem was never superhero fatigue, it was creativity fatigue..”
I love Nolan asking his son sincerely why he, “feels this way”. It’s a man whose lived for thousands of years reaching out to his 17 year old son trying to understand what comes so naturally and quickly to those with short life spans (or at least those who presume that to be the case). It really hammers home how precious and fleeting life is, which is not a concept that has ever actually struck Nolan. The bluntness is actually the point of that statement.
I don't think it's the life span that's the important part. It has more to do with the "survival of the fittest" culture of Viltrum. He wasn't taught to be compassionate, so he doesn't know how to respond to it. Though I haven't read the comics, so maybe they explicitly state why there.
@@RasmusVJSIts absolutely an important part. Season 1 finale has Nolan explicitly yelling at Mark about how he'll live to watch everything he fights for crumble away to dust.
Living for thousands of years would absolutely mess with how youd view the value of lives. So much time to double down and grow jaded to what others think or say. So much murder over time that outside of viltrum, other life forms are just meat.
Its also shown in his view of debbie as a pet, he enjoyed and remembers the years they spent together, but to his viltrumite logic shes a spot on the road, a flicker in his lifetime that he'll need to move on and forget.
At least until his son got through to him anyway
Yep I thought the bluntness said a lot. The video claims how this was done was “ungraceful” but I think it shows how bad Omni man’s cognitive dissonance is
SPOILER WARNINGS
Viltrumite's didnt get to such an advanced technological state by murdering eachother. That happened when a lunatic ruler took over and mixed "survival of the fittest" with mass genocide of "the weak". That culture evolved into a world conquering culture that bares some resemblances to Sparta and some less... fondly remembered groups.
You can see humans are capable of this exact mentality as well. It comes from a life devoid of empathy.
The Viltrumites had "humanity" and then rejected it which led to them forgetting it.
Once they all come to earth thats when they all suddenly start rediscovering those social instincts.
In other words, they had to rediscover their lost humanity they always had but had long been conditioned to suppress.
You will find real world cults do this, they condition into the follower to always follow and obey the cult and that empathy is reserved for members within the cult but does not take priority over duties to the cult. The Viltrumites were not always monsters, they achieved their advanced technology long before they were turned into the genocidal maniacs you see in the earlier parts of the series.
Nolan had forgotten his humanity, forgotten what it felt like to care so deeply. He always cared about Mark and the rest of his family but always kept them at arms length. Debbie hints at this in the first or second episode stating Nolan was great at many things but sharing his thoughts and feelings was never one of them. This is common with people who keep others at arms length emotionally as a form of coping and numbing ones self to emotional pain.
Nolan is the second Viltrumite if I recall correctly to regain their sense of compassion and becoming disillusioned with what the Empire had become. They are all hundreds and even thousands of years old so the psychological conditioning has had time to deeply ingrain itself in them.
Point is the Viltrumites were indoctrinated into a violent genocidal cult that took over the empire and stripped them of their "humanity".
They spend time around humans and rediscovered what it is to love and care and have friends and families and someone to come home to, the very things they themselves had for so long but lost and forgot about. Coming to earth broke the conditioning and when Nolan took charge of the Empire his first decree is literally to repurpose the empire into a force for good and to reform the Viltrumite way of life.
Mark takes over and further restores the Viltrumite name and way of life. They needed to be around a species with similar enough social behaviors to start getting those mirror neurons firing again.
This series is gonna be peak television. Robert Kirkman went on record saying he wants to rewrite things for the show so it flows better than when he wrote the books.
Oh my God that's amazing. The pacing towards the end of the comics is very very lacking in development, it feels super rushed and characters that should not have turned completely villainous ended up doing so
@thetrailerparkonesies3225 Yeah, like episode 2, for example, the whole Atlantean part was totally filler in the books. Almost pointless, but I like that they made something of it when the monster incapacitated mark using super sonic noises. And cecil recording it was a nice detail I got hyped for.
The fact Kirkman is directly and much more intimately involved than he was with The Walking Dead is what really got me pumped for this series. It's always best when creators have direct and meaningful influence on the adaptations of their work. That doesn't happen nearly as much as it should. Unfortunately, I hear that he has also said they're not going to do "that scene" with Mark and Anissa and will introduce Anissa's family a different way. They don't need to be explicit about it. In fact, it might be more powerful if it was shown in trauma induced flashbacks that skowly reveal what happened until someone finally spills the tea, but it would kinda suck if they completely omitted that part of Mark's character arc altogether, especially when it tackled a really important subject matter and did it as well as they did. What they do instead better be really good if they want to justify that big of a change.
@@Tyler_WI don’t need to see it again, those panels were really rough, I haven’t felt a cold, hollow pit in my stomach like that since Berserk. But I hope they don’t remove the plot entirely, I think they dealt with it well and anything that helps people empathize with male victims of sa is probably a good thing to take the time to depict right.
@@rafaelsoto4742 The Atlantean part came sudden, but i do really like it especially the introduction of the sound weakness. But most things that feel kinda strange are also good on an rewatch, the whole thing togheter is just so good with Invincible. With season 2 the Debbie stuff feels kinda slow, but thats fine on a rewatch and i do still like it and get why its like that
I really like Mark’s progression as a hero is constraining with the struggles he and Debbie are facing in their personal lives. I really like that the show is not speeding or glossing over the pain and trauma they were obviously dealing with it. I really like the drama in this show.
Nolan having a kid with a bug so fast was kinda weird tho
@@LuisSierra42Its a coping mechanism. He's trying to get back what he ruined on Earth ASAP
@@LuisSierra42true, although I’d argue this guy isn’t the *best* at processing his emotions (like grief, regret… basic empathy, etc)
@@Mayakranexactly! he’s finding his humanity for the first time and so despite being 4 digits old, we’ve seen him as a toddler having fits and now as an angsty teenager coping at best.
@@LuisSierra42that's the point. We're seeing it from Mark's perspective. It's supposed to be weird and fast and shocking
In addition to Eve's dad you also had that construction worker making the entirely reasonable point that they had no way of knowing if Eve's magically constructed building was up to code. They were framed as a jobsworth, and sure they seemed not particularly nice, but they were 100% right. In a world where people can wave their hands and build things you still need to know if what they've built is safe, what their qualifications are, limits of their powers etc.
The father even revealed that the building collapsed
I think Capt midnight SEVERELY downplayed Eve's recklessness. Her not being aware that the new playground she "built" was off of an unstable foundation caused the death of a mother and her daughter.
Her father wasn't being insensitive or egoistic when his daughter gave them a golden apple to sell to get some money. He recognized that his own daughter still has much to learn about the real world, herself and the limitations of her own powers.
@@Marcus-gw4bb they didn't die.
He says "it's a miracle no one was killed."
@@wooblydooblygod3857 my bad. I went back to verify it but still the newspaper column mentioned dozens injured and my point still stands that Midnight should've highlighted the consequences of Eve's recklessness
@@Marcus-gw4bb yeah. I think it worked real well as a way for the show to say "eve is being an idiot" while also not making her have to deal with such a heavy weight
Something that I thought about after watching the last few episodes is that the "1 year lifespan" that the new family's species has, is probably not that different from Nolan's perspective to his previous family in the grand context of his own lifespan
That is more or less how he felt about them, but to the show's credit, there was a bit more subtlety to what they were doing with Nolan than Midnight gives them credit. They never felt the need to outright articulate why Nolan even went out of his way to involve himself with the Thraxans in the first place, especially when they're an even less evolved species than humans in some respects (granted, they're more advanced in others). The fact thst he went out of his way to act compassionately towards a species much weaker and more short-lived than even humans goes to show that Mark really did connect with him, and that he's trying to grow and figure things out. By helping the Thraxans, he's sort of exercising his mental muscles for compassion and empathy because even though he doesn't fully get it yet, he knows it's something right that he's being compelled to do by whatever changed in him on that mountaintop with Mark. The fact that Mark doesn't recognize his father's self-evident progress by virtue of the fact that he's even there in the first place makes their dynamic even more interesting. He's so messed up by what happened that he can't see the obvious change that's right in front of his face. He's too hurt at the moment to give credit where it's due and is looking for any angle possible to find the malice and cruelty in what Nolan is doing there. To be fair, Nolan brought it on himself, but it'll be interesting to see how the show tackles their ongoing relationship in comparison and contrast to the comics.
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@@Tyler_WGoddamn this makes me really hope we get more time with Mark and Nolan
@@Tyler_W This thread is exactly what I thought. Midnight here takes Mark's perspective a little too much.
To Nolan, there is no difference between humans and these literal bugs. 80 years vs 1 year barely makes a difference to someone who will live seemingly forever. His life with Debbie and his brief life with his bug wife are essentially equivalent because he doesn't see any of them as people, and yet his feelings are overriding the Viltrumite dogma of supremacy that has been ingrained in his mind.
He's learning to accept his ability to empathize with mortals, he isn't "moving on" shallowly.
Was it explicitly stated that it's only 1 year? I knew they matured quicker, but I don't remember that being mentioned in the episode.
Only so related but what makes Invincble's genius characters so fun is that they all have their field of expertise, even if what they're able to do is beyond human.
And I love how no character in Invincible has too many skills
Unlike MCU where every character is a super smart scientist that can go toe to toe with Kang
@@Madvillainy48this. It's so annoying.
@@Madvillainy48The avengers was the worst about this, I feel like half the reason they killed Black Widow is because her kicking Thanos would look ridiculous.
The Mauler twins are probably the closest you’d get to that kind of “super smart and also super good at fighting and planning etc,” and they’ve been jobbing to Invincible since like issue 3.
And then of course there’s the further subversion that once *someone* finally realizes that their ambitions are pretty reasonable given their obvious competence and intelligence, and allows them to meet those ambitions, they just stop being villains entirely.
Having one character who can do everything just makes the other key characters feel useless
cought Batman cough
I think what impresses me most of the time about Invincible is that unlike most superhero deconstructions that will take a trope and then make a joke about it, Invincible tries to be logical but earnest. Like with the underwater kingdom...sure, it's weird to us, but it exists in the universe so there's no reason for Mark to act like it's weird. It's a situation he's in and he has to navigate it.
Invincible isn’t really a deconstruction of the superhero genre. It’s just a superhero story that’s dark and very well thought-out, which makes it stand out from so many that aren’t those things.
What's great about Invincible is that it isn't really just another deconstruction. It's actually a self-aware but nevertheless still sincere in its affection fir its material. It uses lessons learned from deconstruction to build it back up. It's aware of what it is and confidently asserts itself. It's a reconstruction.
@@Tyler_W yeah, thinking it over I want to say it's the deconstruction of the deconstructions, which sounds pretentious and silly so I like reconstruction. It's a little too tropey for me to think it's not in some way a deconstruction, but it's done earnestly enough that it's actually a good piece within the genre. I love this trend in media, the absolutely hopeless dark parody has been played out to a lot of its possibilities.
@@KeykatrizI’d call it a loving pastiche, personally.
You guys talking like deconstruction is always bad and edgy. Something can simultaneously be a deconstruction of super hero stories and be good and sincere. I'm not saying Invincible isn't a reconstruction, but the fact that it is good isn't the reason why.
Dude! Allen, the alien is the most heartbreaking segment in the entire show. It was beautifully sequenced, It felt out of place and jarring (To a positive effect), but still wonderfully inside of the First half of the season.
I love how they're really painting the Viltrumites as a threat. They're basically narcissistic asshole bully super saiyans who are so tough almost no character we've seen so far could probably take more than 3 of them on in a fight at one time, and they have an entire empire. I love worrying about how the hell these guys are going to be stopped. Great antagonists and I'm excited and scared to see them get even worse.
A pity he has to be voiced by the most obnoxious woke piece of trash like Seth Rogan. I liked Allen in the comics though.
small point, you said that the park atom eve built fell apart because she didnt build it well, but really it was because she built it on a sinkhole and the whole thing collapsed, which is something she woulda known if she had spoken to the proper city officials as implied by her dad and i think this makes it more impactful. i feel like you left out that detail for spoiler reasons but i think it makes the little plot twist a lot more impactful than it woulda been if the playground just fell apart because it wasnt built properly, like you said in the video
As someone who read the comics, all I gotta say is keep watching. It's going to take a while before the show gets to some of the later arc's in the comics, but once they do, people are gonna lose their minds...
honestly I wasnt expecting Omni man until the season 2 finale so seeing him this early is weird but im excited to see what the pacing will look like until the end. Ik they get into more mature themes and stuff, but if youve only seen the show then the stuff theyve talked about already are pretty tough/deep/mature. I cant wait to see their reactions for the IW
I’m not sure if it’s Nolan’s training or nature as a Viltramite, but he’s still trying to understand love and caring for others after years of conquering and killing.
I've finished the comics (no spoilers) and I can say it never chases its tail, never reverts to status quo. Everything that happens has consequences that aren't ignored and the characters continue to evolve and adapt. The story of this show has barely even begun.
For real, apart from some of the later material for the supporting characters that they introduced early to flesh them and the world out, the story of season 1 was basically a prologue. People who haven't read any of the comics (or didn't spoil it online for themselves) still have no idea where this story is gonna go.
after I finished season 1 i just knew I had to read all of it. show was to good to NOT read all of it and I couldnt wait this long without knowing what happened next. Comic was peak and i havent sat down and read something like that for awhile. I bought the 3 compendiums too so i can read invincible whenever I want now@@Tyler_W
I love hearing that the story hasn't begun, I imagine it's the same for how it goes when the change happens in Attack on Titan, it manages to make everything better while not undermining anything that happens before, so I expect a similar level of quality with Invincible!
I hope the show gets to finish. I too keep hearing we don't even know what's in store, and Kirkman said he thinks this show will need maybe 8-9 seasons to tell the full story, and I keep worrying Invincible will get canned long before then. I hope I'm wrong.
@@gregvs.theworld451 invincible won’t be canceled. Don’t worry. Since season 1 did so well, they knew they’d be fine. If the show only gets BETER after the prologue (season 1) then invincible is fine. Trust. It gets better and better every season so we’ll get invincible until like 2030
Years ago we had full seasons with many episodes every year. Now we have 8 episode seasons every 2-3 years
At least those 8 episodes tend to be better than when we used to get 26.
If it makes you feel any better, short of another massive catastrophic disruption or another like we had with the lockdowns, we won't be waiting another 2.5 years between seasons again. That was mostly caused by work restrictions according to Kirkman. We'll probably get S2 part 2 in February or March, April at the very latest by my reckoning, and we'll probably be waiting a year or a year and a half for season 3 if I had to guess. They were already in the early stages of production for season 3 when season 2 started or not long before that.
8 episodes that are 45 minutes long and are paced beautifully is worth the wait. if animation gets better and better, then it'll take longer. you can wait since the wait for season 2 is the longest break theyre taking. itll be invicible every year
Nah. We get a season every year, just stuff got delayed because of COVID.Same happened with The Boys when season 2 was delayed by a year.
Another thing that has seriously elevated this show is the voice acting. My word im always amazed at how well theu can convey emotions. Especially mark's voice actors and his mom. Wow man i love this show
I was so jazzed to hear Peter Cullen's voice, and Clancy Brown at the end
I feel like we got the setup for Omni-Man's breakdown and the very unsubtle "Why do I feel this way?!" in the last season.
The very finale was all about Nolan denying his feelings, the connections he made on Earth and the superhero life he has led to become a good Viltrumite again. He was ready to kill his very own son for it. Or rather he thought he was.
In the end he physically could not do it and took off instead, even crying which I thought impossible. All of that conflicting emotion and imagery of Viltrumite vs. Earthly family man and Superhero had been internalized back then but now with some distance and some time to dwell on it he is ready to externalize it. Even if nmot gracefully.
tl;dr I don't think that breakdown lacked setup just that it's been a while since we had it. Which fits as this way it is as overwhelming to us as it is for Mark, our lense into the story
That was my favorite episode. Seeing the turmoil in Omniman, saying "why do I feel this way" while almost choking out mark is something he wanted to say on earth before he left, and when Mark says "that's how you should have felt on earth" and Omnimans response really cemented that he has been having this turmoil for a LONG time.
Ya I always got the impression that Omni-Man was trying to convince himself even more than Mark that the people of Earth were meaningless, and the killings were him trying to correct his "wrong" internal feelings of compassion.
Surely he would know his own son well enough to realise that killing thousands wouldn't turn him to his side, those killings were Omni-Man trying to show himself they were meaningless, but it didn't work.
Imma be honest, the fact that you included a clip from justified made me very happy. It’s a fantastic show that I don’t see nearly enough people talking about.
It's one of my top ten TV shows
God you’re so right
@@roscojenkins7451 What’s crazy to me is how detailed the sets are, and if you pause the show and just look at the background, you can learn a lot about the character that lives there.
I had to google because I had no clue this show existed, i love Tim and Walton in all the things they do, the fact there is a show with both of them! I'm defiantly going to check it out.
@@ThatOrangeGhost Yeah, i would totally recommend Justified. It takes a little bit to get good, but it’s a excellent show!
Im loving S2 so far! This show is so peak, and as someone who hasn't read the comics ive been floored with everything
I have read the comics....all I gotta say is you're in for a treat
@@rafaelsoto4742So when will Mark and Eve get together in the show?
@@kblearner1528 🤐
Im thinking in the second half of seasons 2 since mark still has to read some books and then actually sit down n talk with amber and then also talk to eve. sholdnt take to long since the pacing is phenomenal but i think itll happen at the end as a finale w/ some insane fight @@kblearner1528
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The conflict Atom Eve has with her parents actually brings up an essential point to superheroes, that I haven't seen addressed before. It's clear her father is angry with her, not just because he doesn't understand her, but also because supernatural powers in a way, invalidates his entire existence. Imagine if superman stopped using his powers, just to fight villains, what if he decided to work as a carpenter or something? He could do the work of a thousand carpenters, in a day. So how does that make the common carpenter feel? If you spent your entire life building houses and now this kid comes over and can do better and faster than you, making you seem completely obsolete? I know this may be a little boring for a superhero franchise, but much like AI, superheroes does make it seem like the common man becomes completely obsolete and that can be a very difficult thing to come to terms with, if you like a lot of people have - have based a lot of your identity on your work - and here comes a superhero who can do everything you can do, but better and faster.
I was pleasently surprised. I expected that season 2 would fall off after the first season: which had some glaring issues (ex: everything about Amber), but they - so far - cleaned up those issues and elevated the level of writing immencely. Really good stuff so far.
Season 1 was basically the prologue. The story has only just begun, and it goes to some wild places. If all you know about Invincible is what you've seen in the show, then you still have no idea where this going. It's gonna be sick.
Your comments about Doland made me think of Art, the tailor. I wouldn't have batted an eye if he had been completely missing from this entire season. But instead, the writers give him an important and fitting role: to be another "normal human" who knew Nolan as Omniman. His insight into Debbie's life and family, while seemingly a bit of hyperbole, is also very apt, and exactly what Debbie needs to hear and internalize right now.
that part was great and made me so happy for debbie! she needed to hear that the only reason why the earth isnt a slave labor is BECAUSE of how SHE raised Mark. Beautiful writing! And iirc it was completely added to season 2. meaning it wasnt in the comics. so it gave more to Art and how he feels. cause imagine ur best bro is just a serial killer and thinks ur some insignificant ant. shit must hurt.
I loved that the first season had a subplot about cloning and the moral dilemma of not knowing who you truly are. I’m excited for the subplot of Season 2. It’s about death and immortality (Dupli-Kate, The Immortal, and the Viltrumites) and how it can emotionally stunt and desensitize immortals to it.
dont forget the mauler twins. also, how atom eve trying to rescue the old car couple is similar to Mark from season 1 trying to rescue the old lady from dying. Sometimes you cant save em all and I liked how they made sure to show Eve going thru the same thing Mark did. they'll understand each other even more now
I started reading the Invincible comic and it’s really interesting seeing all the changes and additions the show made. I’m way past where season 2 is but the show handled Debbie so much better. The support group stuff is not in the comics and putting more focus on her was a great decision. It makes it so that, even if you read the comic, there still is new stuff to see.
the author said that’s he’s treating the show like another draft beyond what made it to print. and the best writers rewrite the work to death until it’s a tight script that is always telling the story. no wonder it’s better
I appreciate it when an adaptation has figured out the balance between faithfulness to the source material and doing new things in a manner that still remains true to the characters and the story.
Yup. Still like the comic better but that is probably because the comic is already finished 😂
@@Tyler_W Probably because the OG writer is rewriting the script himself and because he still has the passion to tell the story in its best possible way.
I wish they showed her battle with alcoholism more and only showed the 1 bottle. in the comics shes drunk 24/7 and says some hurtful shit to Mark. The atom eve changes are really nice too! I love the parallel with her and mark from S1 trying to rescue the old lady
Its so neat that you wrote a comic book good for you dude! Must be so exhilarating to see the art for the first time and watch your ideas come to life
Invincible Season 2 is so great! Can’t wait to watch the next 4 episodes! 👍
Almost finished my first read through of the comics… you guys are in for a wild ride.
Anyone else notice Shockwave or whatever his name was was introduced to be replacing Rex and being the new top dog.
He was never shown or mentioned again
Bulletproof and he's got his own story in the future he's not massively important but pretty sad and messed up
@@jfoster8624 I had a feeling it was shock or bullet related haha
Ahh makes sense, it’s so weird he didn’t get ANYTHING this season, I legit forgot he was even a character.
Episode 3 was my favorite episode of the whole show so far. Wow. Just wow that one made patience worthwhile
im glad I read the comic because it gives you so much more of an appreciation for what the heart of this story really is, its pretty crazy, the comic is just as streamlined as a tv show, and has such a modern storytelling style to it. It hit me when reading the comic that it really is, to its core, a family drama with superhero style to it
yep! seeing debby battle alcoholism immeditately after omni man was a big shock to me. I didnt think stories could talk about REAL problems like that. It made me happy that they included it and even effed up shit down the line like Eve's abortion and the emotional toll it takes on you. and then obviously Mark being a victim of SA, and other shit in there
@@The-Legend-of-P Fucking spoilers. You do know there are a lot of people not reading the comics and catching up with the show yeah? Maybe that was on me for looking through the comments of an invincible video but fuck.
Thank you for your work.
Absolutely *love* the Black Sails shoutout. Would be cool to see more of your thoughts on it.
I’m rlly excited to see the rest of season 2 and specifically how it’ll look animated and executed (I already know what will happen and you can find out through the comics obviously and lemme just say, y’all are in for a crazy finale and season 3 holy, imagine the omniman vs invincible right but x2 and that’s what you can expect man) also I will say that it seems that a lot of ppl have forgotten or maybe have just not known that season 3 was greenlit along side season 2, meaning the reason why season 2 took so long was bc it wasn’t just season 2 being worked on, season 3 was too, they were made in unison (fun fact; all voice lines and animatics for each episode of season 3 are already done, you can search this stuff up or something, also the strike thing, we prolly would’ve gotten season 2 and 3 sooner if it weren’t for that)
Absolutely. Continued effects of lockdowns and work restrictions are primarily what caused the delay, and then the strike probably delayed the premiere by at least a few months. I think there's a reason they released a single Atom Eve special in August. That's when they wanted to release it but couldn't, so they decided to release the one episode that was completely in the books.
dude the Invicible war in the middle of season 3 and ending with the conquest fight is going to be fucking insane to watch!
I loved u showed justified clips. Captain midnight knows good tv.
The Boys is formulaic in that each season reaches a stage where they are close to dealing with Homelander but don't quite manage it? That's nowhere near accurate. It's not "basically true". Only season 3 saw the boys approach causing any lasting effect on Homelander. It's formulaic in that the boys are building up gradually to oppose Vought but it's not fair to say they're repeating the same beats. In season 1 and 2, they aren't even close to the idea of "finally offing Homelander". It's not even remotely a fair criticism.
That's what I'm saying 💀
That’s why season 3 is so good
Yeah, the people who are saying that The Boys is formulaic in that at the end of every season, they come close to killing Homelander but never manage to clearly need to rewatch seasons 1 and 2, season 3 is the only season so far where The Boys actively try to go after Homelander and kill him.
Really looking forward the second half of the season
I think it's pacing is a little wonky and the animation could use a little work, but overall it's just a solid show and definitely has more highs than lows. It's a competent show with more then enough twists to keep you on edge, but not so much that you get nulled to it
The animation looks better than season 1 by far
@@jfoster8624 there are difference between animation and style. Rewatch Debbie's breakdown scene or lack of subtle change in characters expression with close up on their face. Scenes with dialogue badly "shot" for a lack of a better word (conversation at Eve's treehouse, at college, between Rex and Cate at the gym etc). In season 1 they had slightly simpler style, but characters ability to emote never suffered because of it. Now style is a bit more complicated, but they can't keep up with it.
@@somestuff7876 i don't see anything wrong with the facial expressions at all I think y'all just were expecting Way too much when they were working on both seasons back to back
@@jfoster8624 how?! Quick test did you see teaser trailer for Invincible? If so, did you notice that animation (understandably) matched pretty badly with lips, and it was slower? And choppy? Too lesser extend that how a lot of scenes feel in season 2.
Stop right there. We expected too much?!
We... nobody asked for them to change their style and to make it more complicated aka more time consuming than in season 1!
Season 1 didn't had outstanding style or animation (especially outside of action) to begin with. It worked, it fit well together. Especially in the 1st episode to lure you into style of older cartoons.
They nailed movement, speed and impact in action scenes. Editing felt fast and even helped with comedic timing in some scenes. In most aspects bar was pretty law.
Maybe don't fix what's not broken and take money from Amazon for more important things than adding new celebrity voice cast?
It’s been so good!
best part of this show is it is only 10/100th of how fire it will continue to get.
Can’t wait to hear your thoughts on the second half of the season.
Having little fun adventures here and there is a pretty essential part of superhero content I believe.
Even if the story is focused on dramatic shifts and dark subject matter, having little moments where characters can just do their thing for a bit is important to making the world feel a bit more filled out. Mark immediatly turning around when the monster gets loose made me really appreciate how standup and mature he is.
Honestly I agree with what James Gunn said about there not being any superhero fatigue but more so the way that everything is written for those superhero stories in media. Cuz personally I’ve never gotten tired of superhero movies either but I do want more interesting ideas for those movies
Thanks for the Heads Up! :-)
I am so hyped for gray suit mark to get animated, some of my fav stuff there.
As an OG comic book reader, this is the right way to adapt something, I've loved every "retread" and every change because they are hitting the tone and themes of the comic perfectly.
Nolan asking his son why he feels this way felt pretty real to me. He nearly completely lost himself, had a suicide attempt not too long before Mark met him again.
And so now these sudden and intense emotions are hitting him as he sees the deaths of these insect people he wouldnt bat an eye at all his life previously. THOUSANDS of years of mental controlling and indoctrination being unravveled over the span of less than a year, because of what his son said to him right before he nearly killed him.
I’ve been reading the invincible comic book lately and the thing I would say separates it from every other superhero comic more than anything else is its ability to let the characters grow and change, also to actually have an ending at all (which most superhero comics never do of course).
The TV series has been overall pretty faithful to the comic apart from some very welcome improvements (the female characters are written a lot better in the show for instance) but - without saying too much - it appears set to diverge in the second half of season 2.
I clicked the vid and am watching because it was your first positive thumbnail that’s been served to me in months
Great video.
This season, especially Episodes 3 and 4, reminded me why I enjoyed the comic so much. It treats it characters with care in the sense that it has destinations in mind for most of them... usually pain and death, but still. Definitely setting us up for the absolute madness that will come from Angstrom.
Just love the similarities between episode 4 and the season opener
Love a good black sails reference, great show
The playground Eve built didn't fall apart because she rushed it. The ground under it was unstable and it caved in which is why the city never cleaned up the mess that the mom was complaining about.
6:42 Didn't Adam say that the ground was unstable and that is why everything fell apart, not cause she build it wrong (since we did not hear anything about the house she fixed falling apart for instance)?
yeah but if she planned/knew what to do, she could have fixed the ground as well. So yeah but I would also say that she built it improperly by not planning
yeah people died too, kind of weird that he didnt mention that
@@wobblywack5531 Didn't he specifically say "you're lucky nobody died"? So presumably nobody died.
One of my favorite things about Season 2 so far is that it’s taking a bit of time to breathe and set things up.
I’ve seen some critique of the pacing being less tight than Season 1, and while that is true, I don’t think it’s a bad thing. I’m genuinely Season 2 didn’t its first episode with some massive reveal meant to serve as the hook for the next 8 episodes like Season 1 did. The pacing may be looser, but the stories worth telling are still there.
I’ll never understand people who watch something just to see the ending. Same thing with games, playing something just to end it is astounding to me.
Love that the alt cover looks like amazing fantasy 15 that’s awesome
HEY MIDNIGHT! Hearing your tv show finale rant and how you like seeing writers grow and change w/their actors made me think of a show youd absolutely adore. I HATE the office, but watch THE COMMUNITY! show is sadly 6 seasons, but it actually has the best writing on a tv show id ever seen. Best characters and so on the nose its hilarious. oh and best finale in a tv show ever. wraps up so perfectly you just need more since its so good! You can binge it quickly
I’ve done many Community videos! Love that show
of fr???? I'll try my best to find em! thanks for the response! Stay safe and get ready for more invincible. show kinda doesnt stop being good once the omni man stuff happens. shows 1 of a kind and youre in for a treat 100%@@captainmidnight
If the show follows the comic let me tell you this... it does not have a status quo. It kind of just keeps moving forward until the end with almost no 'resets' or 'return to normal'.
Would love it if you talked about blue eye samurai!
Walton needs more! Amen man! CM, can you please do a video on Justified!?
Justified and ringtones gemstones are amazing but if you really wanna see Walton Goggins at his best watch Vice principals 🙏
2:40 "I know, I know, I should get back to Invincible." Continues to talk a The Boys for 10 more seconds 😂🤦♂️
I would gladly watch a Justified video from you
My biggest problem is how little invincible we’re getting. I haven’t looked into this much. But season 1 came out 2.5 years ago. And they returned and only released 4 episodes. I see no reason why this show couldn’t be made faster. The animation (which is perfect) is very simple and is similar to old cartoons which they churned out weekly. Im guessing the writing is based on Kirkmans pre existing “Invincible” run. What’s causing the delays?
The creator confirmed season 3 is almost done being animated so they’re delaying it to keep the hype going lmao
@@legendarybroly2 - season 3 is almost done? Where is the rest of season 2? lol.
Comparing The Boys and Invincible is more of a far stretch than it seems. In Invincible we have a pretty grounded superheroes world (except for whatever common feature the universe must have for all these kinds of superpowers to exist) and it is best exemplified by what immediately entered my top-10 superhero stories' moments of all time (the community park sinking into the ground). The Boys is about us, in our real contemporary world with social media, politics at the exact current state, capitalism at the exact actual current state, etc. Superheroes are just highlighted characters, the protagonist of the story is (once again) us: even us watching the show itself (the whole Stormfront story actually used meme that were invented by real people about the first season).
I would love to see.
I can’t stand the fact they cut the season in half after we’ve already waited two years. I had to start reading the book because this is going to take yeaaars to finish.
Every time someone mentions Black Sails it is a good day.
I must be missing something everyone else is seeing, because in my opinion this season just feels like it’s lacking something. I couldn’t tell you what it is, whether it’s pacing or just what’s being shown on screen, but it just feels different from the first season and not in a good way. All this is my opinion of course but i just feel a bit disappointed by it. The funny thing is i don’t remember feeling like this about the Atom Eve special, but it is what it is i suppose, maybe i just don’t like this series past the ending of the first season
It's only half of the season, so I think feeling that something is missing is completely normal.
Yeah, quality dropped on every aspect of the show except for voice acting. With Atom Eve's special I only felt this way towards the end, with questionable solution that shouldn't really fix her situation if more than 2 people were in the know or had any paper trail, which they should tbh. But animation and how it was... well, shot was on the same level as season 1.
Pacing. Cuts between different storylines felt jarring. I feel like the biggest problem comes from the attempt to cut the budget on scenes where characters have dialogues: so they sitting, barely move, stop walking when they talk. They are constantly using wide shots for those scenes and in general characters just say the information other character needs to hear for the scene to end without any real prompt (Rex and Cate exchange was the worst of them; William and Mark close second). On top of that characters models now way less expressive. The only scene that felt normal was between Debbie and the tailor. Season 1 rarely had a scene where characters interactions were simply boring to look at.
I can't imagine how many years it will take them to adapt the whole comics series. Honestly, I didn't have the patience to wait for the second half of the 2nd season. And I started reading the comics from the very start and I'm halfway through and soooooo much shit happened. I just can't believe that they'll finish the animated series. With the current schedule it Will take them 5 years I guess.
Your analysis is always good and fair, dont listen to the comments. Some people just need to consume non CBM media.
Not watching this until after I'm done just dropping a comment for support
One of the best super hero stories ever put to screen!
I sure hope that, during the long wait for season 3, they give us at least one additional episode of Atom Eve.
I guess it was pretty obvious, but I'm just now realizing the intentionality of Adam refusing the "fruit" (the golden apple). Might just be a joke, but interesting nonetheless.
I know many have said it but I’ll repeat it anyway. There is no superhero fatigue. It’s BAD superhero fatigue. Invincible and The Boys being successful is proof of that. I know most credit the violence and gore as the reason for its success but that reason is a cop out. It may be the sugar on top, but they both tell a mature superhero story and it’s not afraid to take risks and maintain the status quo that Marvel and DC has to do.
thanx
Just here to mention that the animation was really good and seemed to improve more
does no one else think the animation is super choppy? like they are animating on the 2s/3s? Like if you watch something like castlevenia the first season tha came out like 5 years ago or even like mongatori that came out like 10-12 years ago there is such a fluidity. but the story is good.
I just hope the animation is better in the second half
Hype
More Invincible content plz
I’ve seen some people hating on this season (including my brother) because they claim the story is boring or feels like it’s going nowhere and I’m just left confused. Like cmon man let them cook
I feel episode 5 is gonna set up a lot and the first 4 were more world building which is fine and needed. I feel people would feel less like this if they didn’t stop at 4 and continued on
It’s really simple man, I just like shows that subvert my expectation. Of course it helps when the story is great and the look is great, but if you can keep me on my toes for the entirety of your episode, or even season, I’m there.
Hear me out. I don't hate any of the things that are happening this season so far, but I just feel like the pacing is extremely slow... Before this, there isn't the ticking time bomb like we had in season 1 with Nolan killing the guardians, and it feels like they skipped the part where they watch back the episodes and cut out any fluff to make the pacing tighter. I don't dislike Debbie going to therapy or getting to see Alvin's life, or Mark getting tricked into going to another planet...I just wish they were snappier and didn't drag so much. There's so many scenes with extra dialogue and awkward pauses of silence... I feel like a crazy person lol is no one else noticing this? Maybe tiktok has fried by brain
🤷 lol
I agree with you on the Debbie stuff for sure but slow in general? This show is moving at lightspeed compared to the comics.
Might honestly be the TikTok, friend. It feels deliberately paced to me. And as someone who’s read the comic I gotta say they’re covering the material very gracefully and extremely efficiently.
That's really funny because the biggest issue with the comics at the start was how the pacing was way too fast, like it skipped over interesting things to get to the most impactful events. It improves to the point where it's fast and doesn't feel like it skips over anything and I really liked it. I think the first season did a good job expanding on what was there in the issues it adapted, but I also do worry that they'll keep adding when it's not necessary and end up ruining the pacing in the opposite direction.
@@corenlavolpe6143 i haven't read the comics though, and I'm not comparing it to them im comparing it to season 1. And just to clarify, when i talk about pacing, im referring also to the pacing within the episodes as opposed to the whole four episodes. more to do with directing and editing
I do it was slow and boring felt I was watching a bad soap you were spot on
Can you do a video on Gen V please! How it compares and adds to the Boys as well as what it means for Season 4 😊
Invincible the show is really good at improving things from the comics also wasn't eve's fault the construction workers were working at a place that's dangerous.
Yeah. But Eve’s dad is still a piece of shit. Even by bad Viltrumite standards.
The whole reason the workers were there was to fix the place so it wouldn’t be dangerous lol. Eve recklessly tried to rush the process and didn’t even think about the terrain or location. The park she created was being built on top of unstable ground and caused the whole thing to sink, which wouldn’t have happened if the workers were allowed to get on with their job in the proper fashion.
@@a_fine_edition2746 so it wasn't the apartment that fell apart
@@a_fine_edition2746If they’d thought to mention there was a sinkhole there it would’ve been fine. And they probably knew it too, otherwise they’d have been using the empty lot to store heavy machinery and materials.
@@spiraljumper74 but they didn't yet the dad knew?
Why does Mark need some sort of air mask to go underwater but not to be in space?
i guess it was to be able to talk underwater
@@FlyLikeAirplaneKnows I don't buy it, he talks in space
@@kevinm1734He doesn’t talk in space though?
@@spiraljumper74 Correct, they use alien tech to communicate telepathically. My guess is that it is used for communication, and I'm not sure about the show but at that point Mark's lung capacity wasn't weeks long yet like a full grown Viltrumite, so he might have taken the air mask just in case.
@@kevinm1734 in spce he only talks through telepathy, right?
Whoop whoop
I think the 1st season had better moments than the 2nd season so far. Season 2 is still decent imo
I feel like that's because so far this season has been mostly setting up the new plotlines in the wake of the season 1 finale, it needed time to recover the story to where new arcs could be told, and i feel like now at the episode 4 mark we're really gonna start getting some crazy stuff now that the viltrumites are more directly involved with earth's affairs, also angstrom levy is probably gonna do something big. (i haven't read the comics)
Can't wait for Dinosaurus
I think you’re wrong about Adam Wilkins. Eve is the epitome of having anything and everything you want. What real struggle do you have other than finding struggle. Having hand outs doesn’t build character.
The problem with Adam is that while he does sort of have a point, he fails to emphasize with his daughter and constantly puts her down, despite her efforts. Eve could have literally everything, but instead, she simply uses her powers to try and help benefit others. She, like every other character in this show, is not perfect, but she clearly tries. Her father is too stuck in his own narrow minded thinking to try and give his own daughter any sort of support. It's okay to hold her accountable, but to constantly berate her to borderline dehumanization is wrong. Especially with him technically being her dad. It's almost like pre-character development J. Jonah Jameson having Spider-Man as a son and knowing his son is Spider-Man, yet still demonizing him as a menace.
There’s two kinds of poor people in this world; smart ones, who would take the apple and say thank you to their amazing, talented daughter for helping them in their time of need. And then there’s the ones who are soon going to be homeless because of dumbass pride. Dumbass pride and a disdain for social welfare, both of which were purposefully cultivated and instilled in them as an op to prevent working class solidarity and mutual aid.
@@CyreseParrish yeah I can definitely see you’re point. I just think there is some underlying message and point to Adam. And being a do gooder isn’t always good. Again yes she always trying to to help people but in the only way she knows how to which is giving them what they want/need “whenever they want at no cost” imagine when those people need something else they are going to just want eve to hand it out again. Adam isn’t perfect at all and he could do the tough love thing way better. I
I love “Invincible” and “The Boys,” but I have to agree that the former is definitely better. “The Boys” also does a fantastic job of subverting the typical superhero mold, but I personally feel that it often gets way too indulgent with the visuals of its sexual humor to the point where it considers it just as important as its main story (very specifically that “one scene” in S3E1). “Invincible” spends a lot more time focusing on its central messages and narrative, as well as developing its characters and homing in on their personal and emotional struggles. Trying to make “The Boys” equal parts black comedy as it does action-adventure ultimately weakens its story.
The amount of people ive heard say "omg not more multiverse stuff everythings a multiverse now" dont know how old Invincible really is lol.
I feel it’s pretty heavy-handed…
How many conversations do we need of Mark being sad and saying he’s not his father.
Got it!
All of the side characters like Rex and whoever else are annoying and don’t affect the story.
They tried to make me feel bad for the cyclops guy that I knew for 5 minutes by playing sad music over him getting his guts ripped out…
The multiverse and clone stuff is so corny…
This show is not really doing it for me.
Only issue ive had this season is that the animation seems weaker than the first season
The scene with Mark fighting the Fish Monster had a very important purpose that will later come in play.
I’ve read the comics and curious what you mean? Thought that was a one-off thing
@@EpicNoobPwner it involves Robot and that's all I am going to say. I don't like doing spoilers.
Really good season.
i cant wait for you guys to see season 2 episode 7 and 8, in the comics those moments where insane as fuck