To be fair, while Allen did have Oliver act as a double agent Spy for Thrag it was Oliver’s idea in the first place. And he didn’t expect Oliver to get killed
I thank you and omisage for spoiling this for me. You for telling me it was a setup and omi for telling me he died Not sure why but some of you guys are taking it to seriously, I'm joking 👍
@@mr.jultra4720 I agree with that sentiment. Jason was the one who had it the worst. He was tortured by the Joker for an unknown amount of time, and Batman never found him despite being "The World's Greatest Detective". He straight up assumed he was dead and gave up on the search after like a week or two. Then when he came back Joker was still alive and Batman and him were still doing their weekly Tango. It's like he told Batman "Bruce, I forgive you for not saving me. But why... Why on God's Earth is *he* still alive? Ignoring what's he's done in the past. Blindly, stupidly, disregarding The entire graveyards he's filled. The THOUSANDS who have suffered... The friends he crippled... I thought... I thought that killing *me*--That I'd be the last person you'd ever let him hurt." Then he held the Joker at gunpoint, barrel against his head, and started a countdown. He told batman the only way to stop him was to shoot him with the gun he had in his hand. You know what Batman did to stop him? He threw a batarang that richocheted off of a pipe and slashed his throat, almost killing him. (In the comics, in the movie adaptation he just knocks the gun out of his hand). Jason gets fucked over so damn much it's not even funny.
@@TyraziumGod I'm pretty sure Jason actually died in the comics amd was revived via either convoluted multiverse shenanigans or Lazuras pit. It seems to change every time i hear it
@@Hollowmello1285 that's why I said "convoluted multiverse shenanigans". It always changes depending on the writer whether he was revived by Superboy, then went to the Lazarus pit, or just went to the Lazarus pit. So it's kinda hard to determine exactly which version is canon.
Not sure how that’s relevant lol. She didn’t know she was immortal and 5 whole years in which your daughter grows from a baby to a full on child are arguably much more important to witness than the thousands that would come after
Ur prolly still too young to have experienced that. It happens to everyone at some point, especially when you make real and strong relationships in your adult life.
I honestly love how people can argue in Invincible and every single side being argued is technically correct. Great writing and great way to make situations more complex. Like, yeah, Eve is right in everything she said, but Mark also had every right to lose it on Allen like that. He was right, Allen kinda is responsible for Oliver's death.
Yeah people are mostly saying not Infront of his daughter but shit there are worst things to witness especially in that universe. It's not traumatic like people make it out to be.
@@devareojackson8682 I think the point is that Mark was absent when she was growing up and after finally meeting up again, the first action she sees him do is throw hands on a funeral
that is true Marvel wants to keep changing his story with new plots and doesn't want to start a whole new comic like Invincible with things you never see in any ordinary comic @@huh5950
I dunno what point Eve was making, Mark TRIED to leave the never-ending battles behind and just raise his family with her, Allen and Thragg ripped that possibility from them.
@@1slayer959her solution instead of just talking it out was pretty much just her commuting domestic abuse to her husband, he’s grieving and the mf who Lowkey caused the grief is making it worse, don’t just beat the shit out of your husband because you wanna make a point
@@Mercmafiabecause that mf was fighting and bashing left and right in this funeral so obviously she had to wake him tf up. He acts irattional like an animal so someone had to do the same sh1t to get their points straight. You think talking "mark come down here honey its not nice to fight in front of our daughter❤❤❤😊" gonna stop that rabid dog from punching allen? LMFAO wake tf up.
@@jaisotheunfathomablybased7135 Yeah pretty crappy and Alen deserved it but there's a time and place. Like not during your brother's funeral and away from your traumatized daughter and your brother's grieving widow. Maybe take a breath and decide to let your brother have a proper send off and hash it out later.
Invincible just takes L after L it's quite reasonable for him to want to be not only done with being a super hero but have frustrations with everything he's lost and that happened that he likely feels massively guilty for Note:I don't know the most about other characters having worse just a general thought
@@da_person imo Spiderman 1st,batman 2rd and Invincible 3rd (batman second because he's been taking L's for longer then mark,but they all get alot of L's)
Mark had a point, Eve had a point, Allen had no point. Eve was being unfair to Mark here, because it’s ultimately like, “Well do you want everyone to be a slave? Do you want everyone to be a dinosaur? Do you want this dimension to be gone?”
This should have been the ACTUAL reason why Amber broke up with Mark in the show. She realizes that what he does is necessary, but knows that she could go long periods of time without seeing him or he could be killed in action.
Well to be fair to Eve the whole Dinosaurus thing was 100% marks fault, the Levy thing was like 30% his fault since he didn't HAVE to go and chase after Levy, especially since it meant leaving his emotionally volatile girlfriend who couldn't use her powers by herself, and while it wasn't his fault he got stranded the fact is that it happened because Mark didn't really think it through and instead was only like "alright this guy endangered my baby momma he gotta die" and didn't really think of anything that could potentially go wrong, especially since at this point Mark has already been stranded in different dimensions multiple times already
@@No-ny3co so it’s not 100% marks fault, because Dinosaurus would’ve done that ish anyway? And, without Mark, the world would’ve been dinosaurs? See, this is the issue with labeling blame on Heroes for doing Hero work. It complete admonishes the heroes. Had Mark not done those things, everyone would’ve died. Multiple times. Mark made his decisions, which while questionable, had an objectively good outcome. Does he deserve some blame? Yes. Does he deserve the amount you’ve labeled him? Hell no.
“You’re a good man and a hero who fights for good. But I hate you and I’ll blame you for that.” Pretty much sums up real human interactions with a bit of fiction
Are you implying Eve wasn't a hero too? She's the one upset not cuz he's a hero but because she's tired of him always blaming everyone else for situations that started because of him and his heritage (not blaming him, she just thinks he's not being mature to hold himself back in front of his daughter and spoke to him in the only way Mark understands; through an ass whooping)
@@dbears1603 it 100% wasn't. She has barely gotten to know Mark and because of that she doesn't know what kind of man he is. Hence her question on "is this how life is gonna be always"? Their daughter knows her mom is kind and caring, she does not know that of Mark and right then he was letting his emotions show both to his daughter and to the world how irrational he was being. Eve attacking Mark was to put him down, she knew even an enraged Mark wouldn't go as far as to hit his wife.
No, what she says is "You're a goddamn 🆁🅴🆃🅰🆁🅳 who thinks he's doing good, gets ahead of himself and nearly gets himself and many other people killed". I know that inflation is raging at full force, but go buy yourself a reading comprehension, would you?
so yeah inbincible wanting yo beat allien ars was enyitly jusfied. and doing it infront of allens people was also justified as he risked all of earth to help them.@@JLite.
What a trope. The guy constantly saving everyone's ass or trying is demonized because other characters think the world revolves around them. It's real easy for Eve to talk smack whenever she's not the one having to get into fisticuff deathmatches on the Sun.
She still spent the first five years, which are so crucial for her development, without a father. Eve had to raise her all those years without a partner (She was only with the alien for one year out of the five and he did not play a father figure role). Mark missed so many milestones with her, all out of an ultimately pointless quest for vengeance. Eve spent years thinking Mark had died doing something she was completely against to begin with and had warned him about. She’s right to be upset with him.
@@goomba8170 Still some people father are dead or absent, and some don’t see their father until they are an adult, her age ain’t even double digits and she has a loving father, she is still in the phase of growing up.
@@goomba8170 Men are more important during adolescence. Women are more important as babies and toddlers. And Eve spent that time banging a guy that trash talked her daughter's father. She's just trash.
@@goomba8170wtf did you even read the comic? mark was sent to the past by a cosmic deity not because of his vengeance lmao the only time mark acted for revenge was when he went after levy but that was waaay back you guys dont read comics and blame mark for everything, he is 100% in the right here and eve is wrong for doing this to him
She more so stopped the fight instead of continuously hitting him. Had to use force to get his attention. And she’s kinda right that Mark chose to go after Thragg even though Eve just wanted them to start fresh in Talescria. Mark was right though that Thragg was too much of a threat to be ignored but end of the day he made the decision to go on the mission that lead to his disappearance.
“We lost 5 years together…” Eve is practically immortal and make and their daughter age so slowly that 5 years is nothing more than a drop in the bucket not to mention he was attacked by an alien that put him in either an alternate timeline and/or a simulation of him being able to stop his father
Her blaming him for all these things that aren’t even his fault. Especially that “gone for five years” thing. He did not ask for that time to be taken from him and was completely out of his control.
Honestly both have their points however this is probably the worse time for Eve to bring this up because Mark just lost a brother, sure their daughter didn’t have a dad for five years but there is a massive difference there. ONE IS DEAD!
Plus, Mark being gone for 5 years wasn't even his fault. That happened because some cosmic being got salty that he rejected its offer and decided to punish him. Eve's blaming him for something he had no control over.
Debbie had it easier tho. Omni man dealt with country-level threats, and occasionally planet-wide threats. Invincible has to fight people who could destroy entire solar systems in a few hours. Eve has it harder. Plus she doesn’t live on earth anymore. Imagine being millions of miles away from home. And also some people are built different mentally. There’s no shame in that. Eve ain’t “entitled”
She blames her super hero husband for doing superhero things and most of these he can’t control and almost nearly basically implies his brothers death is infact his fault because of thragg…hm very sound argument
@samishamroukh6069 to be fair, giving a very powerful and war like species the means to travel the omniverse could lead to a horrific outcome. in a way he stopped a future war that would cross dimensions and smash them to bits.
No he could not control it at all he wanted to make sure he would never come back and harm HIS LOVED Ones and it was great because soon after he came by the next day his daughter was born and they could leave earth because Rudy was a tyrant and he was also Raped so it was the perfect time to start a new life in Talescria but he did not realize he would lose 5 years just because Allen asked him to kill thragg after he was weakened by Battle-Beast @@sam_Invincible
I really hope they make sure she is not Toxic in the Invincible TV show like Amber is to Mark even thought she knew mark was a super hero and thought she is far more important than the people he saves when he has some free time she wants him to spend all his free time with her
@@nanaiahmanoj6774Yep, I hated that. She knows that he is a superhero, then why is she complaining? He had good reasons not to tell her, what reasons did she have to not tell him that she knows? What's the point of these useless mind-games. Also the fact that she acted like she didn't know, makes her a manipulative liar.
It's his fault some goddess thought him worthy but he chose his daughter over her plans so as punishment she took 5 years from him but hey he wouldn't lose those if he followed the plan cause said girl wouldn't exist..... Man im disliking Eve more and more. Blaming him for things literally out of this control just dang. Edit: Im seeing the greater context of the whole story of Mark's character and am not narrow minded to admit when im wrong. Thanks to yall who gave more info.
Yeah, but mark could have just ....not go to the planet, the invitation was open, but mark was the one with the last word and he choose to go, almoat everything bad that happens on marks life its because of him being too impulsive and this was the one with the longest pay off
@@sebastiansuazo2734yeah hes to emotional rash descion insteed of listen to his family or friends from advice he rush into things fast despite the fatal consequenzes cost him instrad of think thtough mske a back up save plan rash emotions make him a target
You can't hate Eve for that because regardless he didn't have to go to that planet. He chose on his own regard to do it. He had no plan, he did not think it through, literally acted purely on emotion. I mean she named multiple people he helped without thinking and it cost some many deaths. Eve had to spend 5 years thinking the man was dead do you not know how mentally and emotionally draining that is. Terra had to grow up without her father. At a certain point a person just loses it.
@@tyjuanbowman1536 still she should be relieved he returned without a scratch like ypu sayed he Co und have been killed off ans never return even odysseus wife was glad her husband returned to her in one piece only a example
Allen absolutely deserved that punch from Mark. He got Oliver killed at the hands of Thragg knowing full well Oliver was never ready plus told Thragg and his children the whereabouts of Mark and Eve
The problem is Eve believes that Mark had a choice, but it was either go, and make sure that the mission was a success or Omni man dies, the earth is invaded, and everybody dies or used as sex slaves. Hell whenever Eve is disagreeing with Mark he’s 100% right because if he didn’t do what he did the universe would be destroyed or taken over. So far the only time she was somewhat supportive was the 1 time Mark was a dumbass, and freed a insane dinosaur terrorist. It’s like whatever side Eve is on is team dumbass.
@@Bluemoogaming yeah, she did it because Mark didn't do what she told him to do, and Mark didn't just forgive her but blamed it on himself, and accepted her as a fat woman, and was a little too into it. Yet Eve left him for going after a foe that kept returning with his plans becoming more, and more dangerous, with his family always suffering the most. Yet Eve thought that 5 seconds of the guy thinking about doing good things would make it so he would never become a threat again.
@@ginnungagapabyss5639 I'll be honest, if I was married to a woman who was that unstable that she's practically shopping for nooses, I'd pretend I have a fat fetish too.
Whats great about this is, this is how some people grieve in real life. They let out all their pent up resentment with each other. Blow up and argue. But the anger burns out quickly and it goes back to just mourning with each other. This was just visualized with super powers.
She didnt even tell him she was pregnant if i remember correctly. So how was this his fault exactly? Maybe Eve should look into the mirror and work on her communication skills more?
Nah not even fictional women should be held accountable according to some comments, Eve abort Ed their first baby. And people in the fanbase defend her dumb decision.
She killed his son before he was even born just because he was going to fight in a war she could have told him and Debby would have helped out and he would have fought even harder and survived knowing that if he died he will never meet his child and conquest would have not been have able to punch a hole in him and remove his Guts @@hainleysimpson1507
@@noimsquidward7327 i doubt it mj ditched him to a Portal he returned she married a Paul the other dude she stayed with despite knowing Peter Could have returned to her instead of wait Gwen died on him blackcat ans him didnt worked out so silk
Lol, Eve is a HUGE hypocrite here. She literally tries to kill Allen herself later on in the story when she finds out the truth that he set up Oliver and Mark had to tell her to stop. She also says Mark just “does whatever he wants without thinking of anyone else” when she LITERALLY aborted their first child without telling him! I don’t think she was thinking of Mark when she pulled that shit lol
SHE THOUGHT HE WAS DEAD SHE THOUGHT THAT HE WAS DEAD AFTER 10 MONTHS OF NO CONTACT. My god. Why does noone read the comics. and of course she tries to kill Allen, cuz he sent VILTRUMITES TO KILL THEM. That's fucking crazy.
Eve saying he does whatever he wants without thinking of others is the most hypocritical thing she could say in that situation. Like didn’t she get an abortion?💀
@@MallardPie yeah, I know. I just thought it was a funny observation. Also an inaccurate one, because Mark killed Conquest before his 10 month healing nap, while Eve killed the baby some time after that.
Just to let everyone know... as soon as Invincible was sent to another dimension Eve started effing aliens. She's so worried about her daughter seeing Invincible fighting but didn't have that same energy for her daughter seeing her get gut punched by alien D
She dated after 5 years of Mark just not existing, and everyone thinks it's cheating. If your husband drops off the face of the world for 5 years, I'd say it's fair enough to start dating.
@@gildedwyvern2510if my wife was a superhero I'd think I'd wait till i either see a corpse as last time she didnt wait she aborted her child youd think theirs be enough love to say its him or no one else but I guess not
She knew that Invicible went to war in that scenario and had no way of contact but now she is on the homeworld of the coalition of planets the second strongest organisation that oversees entire galaxies and Invincible just straight up dissapeared. They scouted the planet he was last seen probably dozens of time and every where in a massive radius. There was no sign, so the only reasonable explanation was that he was either dead, or somehow gone somewhere insanely far away. I mean, Omniman can cross galaxys in weeks, so if Mark doesn't come back after 5 YEARS, then it's clear that he's probably dead.@@durrangodsgrief6503
I see Eve suffers from the traditional trope of becoming emotionally unstoppable but it's fine because she's a woman. Meanwhile Mark acts like a dumbass due to his emotional state,he's the sole cause for the problems
@@LoveKovsupremacy right, but was he in control of that, could Mark have stopped that from happening anymore than Oliver ( a literal dead man) could’ve.
Yeah, Eve a whore. Cheating over some blue alien thug for 5 years assuming Mark's dead, then got her cheeks clapped. Eve belongs to the streets, I hope Mark leaves her in the show if this ever happens...
@@terrapin_valtameri The problem is the guy in charge of the Show DOESN'T believe that was the message being sent. Legit, I worry about what will happen in Season 2...
@@santiagomartins63 it was his brother that died not hers, she just looking for any reason to be mad. also remember those 5 years she was cheating on him.
I love how invisible put the superhero genre at the top making everything so complex like in real life, even being good doesn't save you from hurting another person and they show it a lot in the comic( and you can include young Justice in this topic)
Eve was wrong, period. Western writing is just so cliche - she's always right and always the reasonable one despite the fact that she says: don't fight in front of our daughter, then proceeds to beat him in front of their daughter which is far worse than Mark hitting Allen. Then pretending like Mark was at fault that he was gone for 5 years. As if he chose to just leave. And no one calls out female characters for their bullcrap. I hate Western comics. Female characters are just as bad as Male characters, but when male characters make mistakes, they spend chapters apologizing and making up for the wrong they committed. But with female characters, they make mistakes and do wrong, but it's NEVER their fault, it's because of everyone else around them and everyone else ends up apologizing to them. This is Western writing in a nutshell. In every movie, comic, game, etc. Why's every female character in invincible just annoying AF.
He recklessly attacked the Mauler Twins which led to the machine that they were working on with Angstrom be destroyed and led to his disfigurement. He never gave them a chance to explain themselves about what they were actually doing. So yes, everything that Angstrom has done was the consequences of his actions, all because Invincible didn't listen. Now there's Angstrom's son, another consequence........
@@tsnoob4669Except that’s not what happened at all? Angstrom himself terminated the process early by pulling off the helmet/head piece of the machine and he was warned in the middle of taking it off by a Mauler that terminating early would be a problem. Mark hadn’t touched the machine since, even after the explosion, he was covered head to toe in Maulers and even after the explosion happens a surviving Mauler says that the explosion seemed to be from an early termination. He does say maybe he’s wrong since he wasn’t in the room but both he and a Mauler in the room both say ending it early would cause problems (and why would he care if Angstrom disfigured himself compared to if he completely charred everyone in and out of the room except Mark, himself [Angstrom], and one Mauler that used another as a meat shield?). Angstrom tried to terminate early because the Maulers were trying to kill Mark not just stop him. He fried his own brains because he decided to work with two known killers who happened to be scientists. He says he “vividly” remembers Mark breaking free of the Maulers and stopping the machine but that’s *visibly* not what happened and Mark is completely confused by the fact that nobody is fighting him anymore and the fact that he’s surrounded by dead Maulers from the explosion that *Angstrom* caused
You clearly haven’t read the comics. Eve talks sense into Angstrom and tells Mark it’s over. Mark doesn’t believe it and chases Angstrom and loses 8 months in another dimension
actually about 6 Months and she blams Mark that she was not eating and sleeping and for nearly losing Terra and tells him to get out of his own home before even letting him explain and then he was raped @@sam_Invincible
@@pcptthe only possible outcome that eve can think is bad thing. "I think my bf die, maybe its good to kill my baby" "I think my husband die, maybe its good to have snusnu with blue alien"
Damn eve really looking to get a divorce, she's saying all that stuff acting like he didn't get tortured through most of that while she was at home cheating
@@nkemnoraulmanfredini7286 He or she is saying that mark went into a cave where some alien goddess sent him back in time. And when he denied her gift she sent him back to the present where 5 years past, because you know time travel. So, Eve thinking her husband was dead again moved on and dated other people.
Levy: Had no control over that situation. Dinosaurus: Pretty much mostly his fault in that he trusted Dino with no contingency and without fully understanding ahead of time. Thragg: Literally no control again. Not great examples tbh.
Says the girl who cheated on mark. Talk about doing what "makes you feel good" without thinking about anyone but yourself. Then proceeds to make a selfish scene, what she was accusing mark of doing five seconds ago. Feminism. Not even once.
@@aaronmiles2802 oh yeah 100% no accountability. Not sure if bad writing or too realistic writing cause girls irl are allergic to accountability as well lol. Especially when it comes down to abortion.
Bro mark been getting fucked all types of ways throughout the whole series. Homie lashes out cause someone he thought was a good friend essentially finessed his brother in to dying and then appeared at the funeral like he had nothing to do with it. Lmao, let the man vent
I know I guess she wanted to get Married to him Officially and because they never would be a perfect time and she did not want her daughter to think she was not born out of their love
I guess, but the main reason why is technically speaking Oliver is Mark's half brother. When Nolan left earth he sorta had a life elsewhere and got together with someone who's species has an accelerated lifespan. So it didn't really take him long to mature, it even surprised Mark in a few comics which had them talking about it. Supposedly he would grow out of it since Viltrumites have very long lifespans but who knows honestly. Sadly we won't find out.
@@mountagony4776 Nolan told Mark his brother would live for a copple of centuries not thousands of years because Traxn Dna is not very compatible with Viltrumites
Nah why she go after him like that even though it was Allen’s fault for setting up Oliver and getting him killed. Mark was rightfully angry at him. Allen’s shouldn’t have attended in the first place
I agreed with Mark on this one in particular ngl, for Eve this was the final straw so that’s also understandable, both of them went way too far and should’ve handled it better. Allen went out of his way to put Oliver in as much danger as humanly possible. All because he wanted info on the viltrumites which is very important don’t get me wrong. But Allen lied nonstop ab the nature of Ollie’s mission, if I remember right didn’t even tell mark he was on a mission. Then Oliver dies to Thraggs hand and neither mark nor Allen could do a thing about it. And when the funeral happens Allen wanted underplay his part in it all and was more concerned with his image than actually caring for Mark, Mark is right, Allen might as well have killed him himself. I love Allen’s character, I believe this was a horrible look on his part
People keep saying "Eve is best girl" but she did some shitty things to Mark. Blowing up on him for justifiably losing his shit at Allen and making it about her definitely counts.
She had a bunch of feelings that she had popped up that exploded out when their daughter asked if everyone fighting was their new life. She resents Mark for being a hero and the effects that has on their lives. Actually very thoughtful writing on Eve’s perspective.
@@SuperPianogirl123 what does that have to do with his brothers death? That’s much more of a private matter this needed to confronted right then and there. She’s venting about mark but mark is venting about his dead brother who will never come back Eve talking about mark makes less sense when u really think about it. If mark were to stop being a hero does that stop people from attacking him? No it doesn’t but all of that is irrelevant because this is about his brother not him
@@heerosagayuy2143 It has nothing to do with Oliver, Eve reacted that way because Mark has been completely absent from his daughter’s life and when he comes back, his daughter sees him violently attacking someone while threatening to kill him and wonders if this is what Mark will make their lives into. Eve’s reaction was because of Mark’s actions and their daughter’s reaction to them. This stopped being about Oliver the minute Mark attacked Allen in front of the entire funeral party.
@@SuperPianogirl123 how u figure that? He only attacked because Allen let his brother die it was always about Oliver to mark. And then what did she do? Went and did thaw same thing to him in front of their daughter? You see how foolish this sounds? Mark was in pain for a brother he will never get back with the person who let him die on purpose standing right there. Eve was upset about something that was out of marks control and still is. Mark is upset about something that could have been avoided. Her complaints aren’t even justified especially when you live in that world. Mark can’t change the world but Allen could have saved Oliver
@@heerosagayuy2143 I figured that because I read the scene. Eve didn’t try to stop Mark until their daughter whose name I can’t remember said something and Eve literally snapped. I need you to understand that Mark abandoned his family multiple times and has left Eve alone as basically a single mother. Last time Mark did this, Eve got an abortion because she was presumed dead and she couldn’t raise a child alone. Mark chose to be a super hero, he chose to go fight in war after war while leaving his family at home alone. Mark chose this life and promised Eve something completely different. He abandoned his duties as a father and came back bringing violence into his kid daughter’s life. Even if Allen could have saved Oliver, that wouldn’t erase the fact that Mark is a deadbeat.
Allen was strong enough to one shot most viltrumites, So why didn't he protect Oliver besides the fact that he wanted to motivate Mark, Nolan, and the other viltrumites😢.
He really wanted Thragg dead so he wanted to motivate Mark and Nolan so he Knew Oliver'S Death would get them to join his fight to end Thragg and Nolan would have a army of Traxn Viltrumite Army but he died and Mark became the Emperor
Bruv i just randomly got this short when im like only a part way through Invincible and got spoiled in the first 2 seconds 😭 i didnt even have time to react
Oliver death could have been avoided if allen plan everything out correctly. 1st thing is sending battle beast with the monsters was a mistake. 2nd if you know the weakness of viltrimites send shockwaves in his area. 3 let space racer be your ace in the hole with his gun. 4 simply explain to mark and Nolan that thragg wants revenge and won't stop until they both are dead
Mark would have not joined again because he lost 5 years with his daughter and Nolan would not join as well because he doesn't want to risk the lives of his viltrumites and wants to live peacefully on earth
Eve was definitely wrong about Mark losing those 5 years. He definitely wasn’t trying too that time. He got sucked into a wormhole what was he supposed to do?
no shit, she literally said her own hatred for mark is unjustified because she knew mark was only doing things that he believed was right. Human emotion does not come from reason, just because you know someone's fault that something happened to you doesn't stop you from hating that person. Which is the case here.
All I'm saying is Allen definitely had this coming for setting Oliver up like that
Oh yeah he had, Allen is a jerk when it comes to friendship
It's weird how people say not Infront of marks daughter but Allen should have stayed away. It was obvious mark was gonna act like that.
To be fair, while Allen did have Oliver act as a double agent Spy for Thrag it was Oliver’s idea in the first place. And he didn’t expect Oliver to get killed
@axmendez1999 its not about Mark and Eve is right? Mark loves to blow up hes entirely controlled by his emotions for most of the series.
I thank you and omisage for spoiling this for me.
You for telling me it was a setup and omi for telling me he died
Not sure why but some of you guys are taking it to seriously, I'm joking 👍
"How dare you fight in front of your daughter?!?"
*Proceed to fight in front of her daughter*
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Allen: "Mark stop! The people of Talescria shouldnt see this!"
The people of Talescria: " 👀🍿🥤"
Talescria citizen #1: يا رجل أريد أن أقتل نفسي 😂😂🎉🎉❤
Talescria citizen #2: 乌兹别克斯坦政府为何提高儿童性交易费😢😢
I don't know why he even thought it was a good idea to show up without talking to Mark and omni man first
@@azisbrowhy Uzbekistan government raises child sex trafficking fee? Dude what the fuck
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@@azisbrobro what the actual fuck did I just read
Mark: Why does life hate me
D.Grayson & P.Parker: Over here brother!
I thought Jason Todd was the one who had it the worst out of all the robins
@@mr.jultra4720 I agree with that sentiment. Jason was the one who had it the worst. He was tortured by the Joker for an unknown amount of time, and Batman never found him despite being "The World's Greatest Detective". He straight up assumed he was dead and gave up on the search after like a week or two. Then when he came back Joker was still alive and Batman and him were still doing their weekly Tango. It's like he told Batman "Bruce, I forgive you for not saving me. But why... Why on God's Earth is *he* still alive? Ignoring what's he's done in the past. Blindly, stupidly, disregarding The entire graveyards he's filled. The THOUSANDS who have suffered... The friends he crippled... I thought... I thought that killing *me*--That I'd be the last person you'd ever let him hurt."
Then he held the Joker at gunpoint, barrel against his head, and started a countdown. He told batman the only way to stop him was to shoot him with the gun he had in his hand. You know what Batman did to stop him? He threw a batarang that richocheted off of a pipe and slashed his throat, almost killing him. (In the comics, in the movie adaptation he just knocks the gun out of his hand). Jason gets fucked over so damn much it's not even funny.
@@TyraziumGod I'm pretty sure Jason actually died in the comics amd was revived via either convoluted multiverse shenanigans or Lazuras pit. It seems to change every time i hear it
@@lucifermagne7458he got revived by superboy prime then went to the lazarus pith
@@Hollowmello1285 that's why I said "convoluted multiverse shenanigans". It always changes depending on the writer whether he was revived by Superboy, then went to the Lazarus pit, or just went to the Lazarus pit. So it's kinda hard to determine exactly which version is canon.
“We lost 5 years together…”
*goes on to regenerate her body and live forever…
She didn’t know that she was immortal here and he was not present for his daughter’s childhood.
@@SuperPianogirl123 to be fair, he also did not know he was going to have a daughter in the first place.
She literally didn’t know that would happen til she died
@@streetgamer3452just like
H didn't know he had a daughter
Not sure how that’s relevant lol. She didn’t know she was immortal and 5 whole years in which your daughter grows from a baby to a full on child are arguably much more important to witness than the thousands that would come after
Oliver looks like those villains you'll see in them old spot movies 💀
It's the mustache right 😂
@@hazeygrace8122 yeah it's definitely the mustache 😂
I though he looked like Freddie Mercury.
@@Littlereddevil94that's thragg
@@Sly9192 definitely Thraggy Mercury is immortal........kinda
Damn thank god I don't have character development 💀
Good to be flanderised 😊
@@youzzz4315gud do bee flaendirized
Ur prolly still too young to have experienced that. It happens to everyone at some point, especially when you make real and strong relationships in your adult life.
That shit was not easy at all but keep pushing and itll be worth it ong
@@ryedj707not everyone like you
Omni man in the background wondering if he should do what he did on earth
But not to his son this time but to allen
Egregious timing
Think Allen Think
@@The2FGganglmao Allen at this point in the story was stronger than everyone except battle beast and thragg
@@calebstephan2083Hmm is it really?
I honestly love how people can argue in Invincible and every single side being argued is technically correct. Great writing and great way to make situations more complex. Like, yeah, Eve is right in everything she said, but Mark also had every right to lose it on Allen like that. He was right, Allen kinda is responsible for Oliver's death.
Yeah people are mostly saying not Infront of his daughter but shit there are worst things to witness especially in that universe. It's not traumatic like people make it out to be.
She literally watched Oliver, Eve, and Mark get SHREDDED apart. I think a fist fight is a little bit lower on the tier scale😂
@@axmendez1999 True also notice no one saying anything about her attacking him in front of his daughter and mom
@@devareojackson8682 I think the point is that Mark was absent when she was growing up and after finally meeting up again, the first action she sees him do is throw hands on a funeral
@@Bubbble_Bear and the second is her mother punching His father the two of them are on the wrong and in the right at the same time
Mark and Peter Parker would be great friends. talking about how the writers making their lives miserable for the sake of story telling.
They are canonically great friends
at least invincible had a happy ending, something marvel will never let peter have
Nah, Invincible got an overall very happy ending, Spiderman could never, since the authors will never let the story end
I really Hope there is a Crossover with Invincible and Spectacular Spider-man in Invincible Season 2
that is true Marvel wants to keep changing his story with new plots and doesn't want to start a whole new comic like Invincible with things you never see in any ordinary comic @@huh5950
I dunno what point Eve was making, Mark TRIED to leave the never-ending battles behind and just raise his family with her, Allen and Thragg ripped that possibility from them.
Yeah. She's right in that he jumps into things without thinking, but her reasoning is flawed.
Mark doesn't have the luxury of staying out of fights.
@@1slayer959her solution instead of just talking it out was pretty much just her commuting domestic abuse to her husband, he’s grieving and the mf who Lowkey caused the grief is making it worse, don’t just beat the shit out of your husband because you wanna make a point
@@Mercmafiabecause that mf was fighting and bashing left and right in this funeral so obviously she had to wake him tf up. He acts irattional like an animal so someone had to do the same sh1t to get their points straight. You think talking "mark come down here honey its not nice to fight in front of our daughter❤❤❤😊" gonna stop that rabid dog from punching allen? LMFAO wake tf up.
☕️
@@TiredOfBlindness just say you don’t know how to De escalate a situation💀
She was wrong homie lost his brother who is also their daughters uncle. Invincible needed to get some type of frustration out
He's always losing someone and always let's he's emotions get the best of him , I'm not saying invincible is wrong but when does it realy stop
He couldn't have chose a better time or target?
@@biecie Bro, Allen just watched Oliver die when he could have intervened and he was definitely strong enough to at this point.
@@kennynnamdi4562 when your friend could have saved your brother but instead let him die how would you feel?
@@jaisotheunfathomablybased7135 Yeah pretty crappy and Alen deserved it but there's a time and place. Like not during your brother's funeral and away from your traumatized daughter and your brother's grieving widow. Maybe take a breath and decide to let your brother have a proper send off and hash it out later.
Invincible just takes L after L it's quite reasonable for him to want to be not only done with being a super hero but have frustrations with everything he's lost and that happened that he likely feels massively guilty for
Note:I don't know the most about other characters having worse just a general thought
Spiderman has it worse now in the Comics with mj
@@kriegermaria9923basically cucked. These writers need to be BINNED
Spider man lives to suffer in a variety of uneeded ways though invincible is a close second least from what I've seen
@@da_person imo Spiderman 1st,batman 2rd and Invincible 3rd (batman second because he's been taking L's for longer then mark,but they all get alot of L's)
@@noaharthur9041 wtf is this grammar, what are you trying to ask?
She gaslighting that man when he lost his brother smh
allen in the back like "should i come back later?"
Ikr. He should’ve wrote her off for that.
@@terrapin_valtamerinerd alert
Mark had a point, Eve had a point, Allen had no point. Eve was being unfair to Mark here, because it’s ultimately like, “Well do you want everyone to be a slave? Do you want everyone to be a dinosaur? Do you want this dimension to be gone?”
This should have been the ACTUAL reason why Amber broke up with Mark in the show. She realizes that what he does is necessary, but knows that she could go long periods of time without seeing him or he could be killed in action.
Well to be fair to Eve the whole Dinosaurus thing was 100% marks fault, the Levy thing was like 30% his fault since he didn't HAVE to go and chase after Levy, especially since it meant leaving his emotionally volatile girlfriend who couldn't use her powers by herself, and while it wasn't his fault he got stranded the fact is that it happened because Mark didn't really think it through and instead was only like "alright this guy endangered my baby momma he gotta die" and didn't really think of anything that could potentially go wrong, especially since at this point Mark has already been stranded in different dimensions multiple times already
@@No-ny3co so it’s not 100% marks fault, because Dinosaurus would’ve done that ish anyway? And, without Mark, the world would’ve been dinosaurs? See, this is the issue with labeling blame on Heroes for doing Hero work. It complete admonishes the heroes. Had Mark not done those things, everyone would’ve died. Multiple times. Mark made his decisions, which while questionable, had an objectively good outcome. Does he deserve some blame? Yes. Does he deserve the amount you’ve labeled him? Hell no.
@@KodamaoftheWeastTree admonish means to lecture or tell someone they were wrong. absolve or even just ignore would make more sense there
@@MenachemSchmuel meant heroes, fixed it
Eve: "I lost 5 years with you"
Also Eve getting cheek clapped for 4 years by alien booty call.
Did she really wait only a year???
Oh and later on she low key tells him that his sex sucks when he loses his powers...
@@Phelestat Wow. Eve is honestly kinda a bitch…
@@dangerrock1878 Didn’t even wait a year Jesus.
she waited 5 years@@MonkeyManPrime64
Eve being a super hero and not understanding how the life works
She's barely that ☠️. She just wanted to grow trees 😂
Nah Bro she is, but good comment 😂😂@@jesseb5710
@@jesseb5710😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 I screamed at this
Mark left for the milf for 5 years damn bro must have been in a long ass line😂
Milf or milk?
Milf😳💀
@@duavs1097 Milf: a very attractive mother
@@duavs1097 eve is a milf now so it could be either one now that I think about it
Dude I think you committed a very egregious misspelling error 😅
“You’re a good man and a hero who fights for good. But I hate you and I’ll blame you for that.” Pretty much sums up real human interactions with a bit of fiction
Are you implying Eve wasn't a hero too? She's the one upset not cuz he's a hero but because she's tired of him always blaming everyone else for situations that started because of him and his heritage (not blaming him, she just thinks he's not being mature to hold himself back in front of his daughter and spoke to him in the only way Mark understands; through an ass whooping)
@@Mario-us5xm her attacking him in front of their daughter was worse than him going after Allen
@@dbears1603 it 100% wasn't. She has barely gotten to know Mark and because of that she doesn't know what kind of man he is.
Hence her question on "is this how life is gonna be always"?
Their daughter knows her mom is kind and caring, she does not know that of Mark and right then he was letting his emotions show both to his daughter and to the world how irrational he was being.
Eve attacking Mark was to put him down, she knew even an enraged Mark wouldn't go as far as to hit his wife.
@@Mario-us5xm I mean given how she’s literally immortal maybe she needs a viltrumitevlevel spanking
No, what she says is "You're a goddamn 🆁🅴🆃🅰🆁🅳 who thinks he's doing good, gets ahead of himself and nearly gets himself and many other people killed".
I know that inflation is raging at full force, but go buy yourself a reading comprehension, would you?
Honestly Invincible is right here, Allen is the reason Oliver died if no one knew. He set it up for Oliver to die.
How so? (This is a genuine question as I have not read the Invincible comics)
@@michaelwilliams369he gave invincibles location to a guy that wanted to kill him to get his father in the war and his brother indid up ded
@@JLite. 😲 Ohh, well that's F'd up!
so yeah inbincible wanting yo beat allien ars was enyitly jusfied.
and doing it infront of allens people was also justified as he risked all of earth to help them.@@JLite.
@@JLite.Omg
What a trope. The guy constantly saving everyone's ass or trying is demonized because other characters think the world revolves around them. It's real easy for Eve to talk smack whenever she's not the one having to get into fisticuff deathmatches on the Sun.
She fought in the exact same battle, and almost died several times.
If she was, then why was she still kicking ass as the literal only human there.@@Bluemoogaming
So did the Immortal who matched Omni-man in the past in fact he has been fighting since the stone age yet he's nowhere in sight.@@terrapin_valtameri
@@gildedwyvern2510immortal never matched Omni-Man…
He did put up a good fight however, and did more damage to him then cecil could@@Kameron87
Bruh the daughter not even 10 years old yet, her ass did NOT “grow up” without a father
So she's a fatherless icon
She still spent the first five years, which are so crucial for her development, without a father. Eve had to raise her all those years without a partner (She was only with the alien for one year out of the five and he did not play a father figure role). Mark missed so many milestones with her, all out of an ultimately pointless quest for vengeance. Eve spent years thinking Mark had died doing something she was completely against to begin with and had warned him about. She’s right to be upset with him.
@@goomba8170 Still some people father are dead or absent, and some don’t see their father until they are an adult, her age ain’t even double digits and she has a loving father, she is still in the phase of growing up.
@@goomba8170 Men are more important during adolescence. Women are more important as babies and toddlers. And Eve spent that time banging a guy that trash talked her daughter's father. She's just trash.
@@goomba8170wtf did you even read the comic? mark was sent to the past by a cosmic deity not because of his vengeance lmao
the only time mark acted for revenge was when he went after levy but that was waaay back
you guys dont read comics and blame mark for everything, he is 100% in the right here and eve is wrong for doing this to him
“Stop fighting infront of our daughter!” *proceeds to fight and blame and yell at mark right infront of her daughter*
Shhhhh. Don't criticize them. They'll come for you
Morons
She more so stopped the fight instead of continuously hitting him. Had to use force to get his attention. And she’s kinda right that Mark chose to go after Thragg even though Eve just wanted them to start fresh in Talescria. Mark was right though that Thragg was too much of a threat to be ignored but end of the day he made the decision to go on the mission that lead to his disappearance.
“We lost 5 years together…”
Eve is practically immortal and make and their daughter age so slowly that 5 years is nothing more than a drop in the bucket not to mention he was attacked by an alien that put him in either an alternate timeline and/or a simulation of him being able to stop his father
And she moved on pretty quick from Mark too.
@@lucasmartinez5703she waited 4 years??
@@pcpt they're basically immortal, 5 years is like a second lol
Her blaming him for all these things that aren’t even his fault. Especially that “gone for five years” thing. He did not ask for that time to be taken from him and was completely out of his control.
Honestly both have their points however this is probably the worse time for Eve to bring this up because Mark just lost a brother, sure their daughter didn’t have a dad for five years but there is a massive difference there. ONE IS DEAD!
Plus, Mark being gone for 5 years wasn't even his fault. That happened because some cosmic being got salty that he rejected its offer and decided to punish him. Eve's blaming him for something he had no control over.
Terra would still have had Oliver so she would still have a positive father figure to look up to even when Mark was missing for 5 years
Eve is so entitled like that’s what Debbie had to deal with, just the consequences of marrying the strongest superhero on earth
I was saying the same thing
Debbie had it easier tho. Omni man dealt with country-level threats, and occasionally planet-wide threats. Invincible has to fight people who could destroy entire solar systems in a few hours. Eve has it harder. Plus she doesn’t live on earth anymore. Imagine being millions of miles away from home. And also some people are built different mentally. There’s no shame in that. Eve ain’t “entitled”
Eve is a hypocrite and their daughter turned in to a rude person to him it just sad that Mark's son ended up turning out better than her
@@tyrthetaur1483not entitled, childish, yeah that's it
their daughter barely appears as an adult in the last issue lmao, same with marky@@JuanRosa3679
She blames her super hero husband for doing superhero things and most of these he can’t control and almost nearly basically implies his brothers death is infact his fault because of thragg…hm very sound argument
Actually Mark deciding to go after Angstrom was definitely something he could control
@samishamroukh6069 to be fair, giving a very powerful and war like species the means to travel the omniverse could lead to a horrific outcome. in a way he stopped a future war that would cross dimensions and smash them to bits.
No he could not control it at all he wanted to make sure he would never come back and harm HIS LOVED Ones and it was great because soon after he came by the next day his daughter was born and they could leave earth because Rudy was a tyrant and he was also Raped so it was the perfect time to start a new life in Talescria but he did not realize he would lose 5 years just because Allen asked him to kill thragg after he was weakened by Battle-Beast @@sam_Invincible
@@sam_Invincible And let him come back and kill everyone?
God I hate Eve. She knows that Mark has been losing people left right and centre and she has the gall to get mad at him?!
I really hope they make sure she is not Toxic in the Invincible TV show like Amber is to Mark even thought she knew mark was a super hero and thought she is far more important than the people he saves when he has some free time she wants him to spend all his free time with her
@@nanaiahmanoj6774Yep, I hated that.
She knows that he is a superhero, then why is she complaining?
He had good reasons not to tell her, what reasons did she have to not tell him that she knows?
What's the point of these useless mind-games.
Also the fact that she acted like she didn't know, makes her a manipulative liar.
@@asmyself4021Ya'll biased asl
Also got clapped by some blue alien annoying asshole. Eve belongs to the streets, if this ever happens in the Show I hope Mark leaves her...
@@RentFreeInsideYourDamnHead He won't, but he should.
It's his fault some goddess thought him worthy but he chose his daughter over her plans so as punishment she took 5 years from him but hey he wouldn't lose those if he followed the plan cause said girl wouldn't exist.....
Man im disliking Eve more and more. Blaming him for things literally out of this control just dang.
Edit: Im seeing the greater context of the whole story of Mark's character and am not narrow minded to admit when im wrong. Thanks to yall who gave more info.
Yeah, but mark could have just ....not go to the planet, the invitation was open, but mark was the one with the last word and he choose to go, almoat everything bad that happens on marks life its because of him being too impulsive and this was the one with the longest pay off
@@sebastiansuazo2734yeah hes to emotional rash descion insteed of listen to his family or friends from advice he rush into things fast despite the fatal consequenzes cost him instrad of think thtough mske a back up save plan rash emotions make him a target
You can't hate Eve for that because regardless he didn't have to go to that planet. He chose on his own regard to do it. He had no plan, he did not think it through, literally acted purely on emotion. I mean she named multiple people he helped without thinking and it cost some many deaths. Eve had to spend 5 years thinking the man was dead do you not know how mentally and emotionally draining that is. Terra had to grow up without her father. At a certain point a person just loses it.
@@tyjuanbowman1536 still she should be relieved he returned without a scratch like ypu sayed he Co und have been killed off ans never return even odysseus wife was glad her husband returned to her in one piece only a example
@@tyjuanbowman1536 she married a hero what did she aspect
Allen absolutely deserved that punch from Mark. He got Oliver killed at the hands of Thragg knowing full well Oliver was never ready plus told Thragg and his children the whereabouts of Mark and Eve
The problem is Eve believes that Mark had a choice, but it was either go, and make sure that the mission was a success or Omni man dies, the earth is invaded, and everybody dies or used as sex slaves. Hell whenever Eve is disagreeing with Mark he’s 100% right because if he didn’t do what he did the universe would be destroyed or taken over. So far the only time she was somewhat supportive was the 1 time Mark was a dumbass, and freed a insane dinosaur terrorist. It’s like whatever side Eve is on is team dumbass.
I really hope they Fix her in the Show
@@nanaiahmanoj6774 same
@@Bluemoogaming yeah, she did it because Mark didn't do what she told him to do, and Mark didn't just forgive her but blamed it on himself, and accepted her as a fat woman, and was a little too into it. Yet Eve left him for going after a foe that kept returning with his plans becoming more, and more dangerous, with his family always suffering the most. Yet Eve thought that 5 seconds of the guy thinking about doing good things would make it so he would never become a threat again.
@@ginnungagapabyss5639
I'll be honest, if I was married to a woman who was that unstable that she's practically shopping for nooses, I'd pretend I have a fat fetish too.
Whats great about this is, this is how some people grieve in real life. They let out all their pent up resentment with each other. Blow up and argue. But the anger burns out quickly and it goes back to just mourning with each other. This was just visualized with super powers.
She didnt even tell him she was pregnant if i remember correctly. So how was this his fault exactly? Maybe Eve should look into the mirror and work on her communication skills more?
Exactly
You've just commited the most heinous crime: questioning a woman.
I'm surprised that not even one SJW came here to call you a incel for that.
Nah not even fictional women should be held accountable according to some comments, Eve abort Ed their first baby. And people in the fanbase defend her dumb decision.
She killed his son before he was even born just because he was going to fight in a war she could have told him and Debby would have helped out and he would have fought even harder and survived knowing that if he died he will never meet his child and conquest would have not been have able to punch a hole in him and remove his Guts @@hainleysimpson1507
@@hainleysimpson1507
Why would she even do that??
Mark is basically Peter
Peter had it still worse at least he has a child thats his mj did him wrong
Mark is basically Peter, if Peter had a better life.
@@noimsquidward7327 Mark is Peter, if Peter were also Superman
@@noimsquidward7327 i doubt it mj ditched him to a Portal he returned she married a Paul the other dude she stayed with despite knowing Peter Could have returned to her instead of wait Gwen died on him blackcat ans him didnt worked out so silk
@@noimsquidward7327 Japanese spiderman had it harsher than Peter through 😆😆😆😆 turk and Italy spiderman exist too
Eve is like every bad wife from breaking bad to walking Dead to Ozark you name it
Lol, Eve is a HUGE hypocrite here. She literally tries to kill Allen herself later on in the story when she finds out the truth that he set up Oliver and Mark had to tell her to stop. She also says Mark just “does whatever he wants without thinking of anyone else” when she LITERALLY aborted their first child without telling him! I don’t think she was thinking of Mark when she pulled that shit lol
SHE THOUGHT HE WAS DEAD
SHE THOUGHT THAT HE WAS DEAD AFTER 10 MONTHS OF NO CONTACT.
My god. Why does noone read the comics.
and of course she tries to kill Allen, cuz he sent VILTRUMITES TO KILL THEM.
That's fucking crazy.
@@gildedwyvern2510"she thought he was dead" still abortion
@@dinodj5aaaand not wanting to give birth and raise a child by yourself is wrong because...?
@@mallorywiley4718what the father doesn’t have a choice? He fucked her shot his shot it’s his too
@@mallorywiley4718people also forgets that she was young and had wars after wars 😂 i don't think it would be a good moment to have a child...
Eve saying he does whatever he wants without thinking of others is the most hypocritical thing she could say in that situation. Like didn’t she get an abortion?💀
She got a viltrumite kill count before Mark did.
@@redgeoblaze3752technically, yes the baby is a viltrumite, but the baby doesn't get powers until later, hell Mark got his powers at 17
@@MallardPie yeah, I know. I just thought it was a funny observation.
Also an inaccurate one, because Mark killed Conquest before his 10 month healing nap, while Eve killed the baby some time after that.
what happening here bro can you explain me please? 😢
but he does. he's impulsive, that's a trait he has for the entire series.
Just to let everyone know... as soon as Invincible was sent to another dimension Eve started effing aliens. She's so worried about her daughter seeing Invincible fighting but didn't have that same energy for her daughter seeing her get gut punched by alien D
She dated after 5 years of Mark just not existing, and everyone thinks it's cheating.
If your husband drops off the face of the world for 5 years, I'd say it's fair enough to start dating.
@@gildedwyvern2510 my husband knows better
I do think it's okay for people to move on with their life if they lose a spouse.@@JUGGERNAUT____
@@gildedwyvern2510if my wife was a superhero I'd think I'd wait till i either see a corpse as last time she didnt wait she aborted her child youd think theirs be enough love to say its him or no one else but I guess not
She knew that Invicible went to war in that scenario and had no way of contact but now she is on the homeworld of the coalition of planets the second strongest organisation that oversees entire galaxies and Invincible just straight up dissapeared. They scouted the planet he was last seen probably dozens of time and every where in a massive radius. There was no sign, so the only reasonable explanation was that he was either dead, or somehow gone somewhere insanely far away. I mean, Omniman can cross galaxys in weeks, so if Mark doesn't come back after 5 YEARS, then it's clear that he's probably dead.@@durrangodsgrief6503
Wow, Eve’s a complete hypocrite. She bitches at Mark for fighting in front of their daughter but then she goes and does the same thing.
No it's ok when she does it. She's a woman. Respect her privilege please.
@@kjk607she smacked him so he would stop
@@starsnipe-yp5hxthen she kept going when he did
@@JLite. gotta smack excess sence
She didn't even need to smack him. She could have just put him in a bubble or something to separate them.
All I’m saying is every time she dies she gets a rest to her late teens early twenties
Wrong. Everytime she is close to death. If someone kills her very fast immediately she is not going to come back. You just gotta do it fast.
@@Kbax3614if she has any brain activity at all she’s still coming back, unless you incinerate her instantly somehow she’s coming back.
@@fashionovawigs It takes time for it to be activated just chop the head off. And, you are good.
so his brother died, and she's making it all about herself? yikes
I dont care Eve's the goat im talking abt the animated series one idk the comics one
Am talking about this incident in the video. And not much of a goat move care or not 😂
no? you're acting like eve wasn't close to him too. she wasn't making it about herself
I see Eve suffers from the traditional trope of becoming emotionally unstoppable but it's fine because she's a woman. Meanwhile Mark acts like a dumbass due to his emotional state,he's the sole cause for the problems
Agreed
After all the shit invincible has had to go through, she thinks she gets to argue with invincible over 5 years and their daughter☠️
He literaly had his family thinking he was dead for years and basicly missed most of his child's early momment
@@LoveKovsupremacy right, but was he in control of that, could Mark have stopped that from happening anymore than Oliver ( a literal dead man) could’ve.
She does
Omni man in the back "should i stop this" 😂
Yeah they definitely have a healthy relationship
They do, they were just having an argument.
@@fashionovawigsvery healthy relationship 💯🔥
Considering the epilogue, yes they do
Yeah, Eve a whore. Cheating over some blue alien thug for 5 years assuming Mark's dead, then got her cheeks clapped. Eve belongs to the streets, I hope Mark leaves her in the show if this ever happens...
@@iamnerose1658 Nah.
Eve back at it again for blaming Mark every chance she gets 😂😂😂
Blaming mark for angstrom levys insanity and attempt to murder his mother is so crazy.
While Eve has a point, none of that shit is Mark's fault.
And why I'm hoping they make the women less toxic in the Amazon series.
Legit.
Since the show already made Amber way more toxic, there's no knowing what they'll do with Eve.
Eve seemed Much nicer so i hope Mark just Dumps Amber and starts dating Eve @@vgmaster9
Judging by season 1, it'll be 10 times worse
@@terrapin_valtameri The problem is the guy in charge of the Show DOESN'T believe that was the message being sent.
Legit, I worry about what will happen in Season 2...
@@terrapin_valtameri What message would that be
Eve just wanted a excuse to be mad.
@@terrapin_valtamerino
Tf u yapping
@@santiagomartins63 it was his brother that died not hers, she just looking for any reason to be mad. also remember those 5 years she was cheating on him.
She belongs to the streets, 5 years got clapped by some alien Thug. If this ever happens in the Show, I hope Mark leaves her...
I love how invisible put the superhero genre at the top making everything so complex like in real life, even being good doesn't save you from hurting another person and they show it a lot in the comic( and you can include young Justice in this topic)
Man married life his hard
Not always but al bundy warned
Yeah with 408 number like eve
@@notafraidofytube3304 408 or 304? Lol.
*Eve going nuts*
Allan: 👁️
👄
"mom is everyone going to be fighting with each other"
Eve: "no"
*Starts fighting mark*
She is so brave to wear a mini skirt while flying above a crowd
She belongs to the streets. I hope they change Eve in the show
@@RentFreeInsideYourDamnHead Yeah. It's not bravery. She's just a 304. She always has been.
Eve was wrong, period. Western writing is just so cliche - she's always right and always the reasonable one despite the fact that she says: don't fight in front of our daughter, then proceeds to beat him in front of their daughter which is far worse than Mark hitting Allen.
Then pretending like Mark was at fault that he was gone for 5 years. As if he chose to just leave. And no one calls out female characters for their bullcrap. I hate Western comics. Female characters are just as bad as Male characters, but when male characters make mistakes, they spend chapters apologizing and making up for the wrong they committed.
But with female characters, they make mistakes and do wrong, but it's NEVER their fault, it's because of everyone else around them and everyone else ends up apologizing to them. This is Western writing in a nutshell. In every movie, comic, game, etc.
Why's every female character in invincible just annoying AF.
I feel you
Honestly Season 2 Amber isn’t so bad. Unless Show Eve isn’t like how she is in the comics at all id take Amber
Domestic violence. But it's okay when it's a woman 😐
West is fucked up
RIP Oliver 😔
How is Angstrom his fault though the man caused multiple people to die and threatened Invincible mom.
He kinda created angstrom through his recklessness in fights and his inability to finish off his opponents.
He recklessly attacked the Mauler Twins which led to the machine that they were working on with Angstrom be destroyed and led to his disfigurement. He never gave them a chance to explain themselves about what they were actually doing. So yes, everything that Angstrom has done was the consequences of his actions, all because Invincible didn't listen. Now there's Angstrom's son, another consequence........
@@tsnoob4669Except that’s not what happened at all? Angstrom himself terminated the process early by pulling off the helmet/head piece of the machine and he was warned in the middle of taking it off by a Mauler that terminating early would be a problem. Mark hadn’t touched the machine since, even after the explosion, he was covered head to toe in Maulers and even after the explosion happens a surviving Mauler says that the explosion seemed to be from an early termination.
He does say maybe he’s wrong since he wasn’t in the room but both he and a Mauler in the room both say ending it early would cause problems (and why would he care if Angstrom disfigured himself compared to if he completely charred everyone in and out of the room except Mark, himself [Angstrom], and one Mauler that used another as a meat shield?). Angstrom tried to terminate early because the Maulers were trying to kill Mark not just stop him. He fried his own brains because he decided to work with two known killers who happened to be scientists. He says he “vividly” remembers Mark breaking free of the Maulers and stopping the machine but that’s *visibly* not what happened and Mark is completely confused by the fact that nobody is fighting him anymore and the fact that he’s surrounded by dead Maulers from the explosion that *Angstrom* caused
You clearly haven’t read the comics. Eve talks sense into Angstrom and tells Mark it’s over. Mark doesn’t believe it and chases Angstrom and loses 8 months in another dimension
actually about 6 Months and she blams Mark that she was not eating and sleeping and for nearly losing Terra and tells him to get out of his own home before even letting him explain and then he was raped @@sam_Invincible
Eve once again being a massive hypocrite lol
She only cares about her needs and doesn't care about what mark wants even if is very right
Remember the baby
Why does Oliver look like a mini version of Nolan?!
That is his son
sons tend to look like their fathers
Well damn it’s almost like they related or something.
Could be the fact they are father and son.
3 guesses why Nolan's kid looks like him
Eve will blame everyone except for herself😂 just to overshadow the cheating she did.
Indeed
And the abortion
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Yup
she didn't cheat, she thought he was dead
@@pcptthe only possible outcome that eve can think is bad thing.
"I think my bf die, maybe its good to kill my baby"
"I think my husband die, maybe its good to have snusnu with blue alien"
Allen had that one coming. He don't fk up often, but when he does, it's huge.
Damn eve really looking to get a divorce, she's saying all that stuff acting like he didn't get tortured through most of that while she was at home cheating
Cheating????
Dude, it was 5 years since he disappeared and she thought her husband was Dead.
How tf is that cheating
@@MobiusMundUr tf you talking about?
@@nkemnoraulmanfredini7286 He or she is saying that mark went into a cave where some alien goddess sent him back in time. And when he denied her gift she sent him back to the present where 5 years past, because you know time travel. So, Eve thinking her husband was dead again moved on and dated other people.
@@tyjuanbowman1536 it was a dream
Nah eve was wrong for that he was doing his best
Levy: Had no control over that situation.
Dinosaurus: Pretty much mostly his fault in that he trusted Dino with no contingency and without fully understanding ahead of time.
Thragg: Literally no control again.
Not great examples tbh.
TBF he was stranded as a petty punishment for not indirectly wiping his daughter out of existence.
Says the girl who cheated on mark. Talk about doing what "makes you feel good" without thinking about anyone but yourself. Then proceeds to make a selfish scene, what she was accusing mark of doing five seconds ago. Feminism. Not even once.
Don’t forget aborted his child without even telling him she was pregnant. Selfish and completely lacking in accountability
@@aaronmiles2802 oh yeah 100% no accountability. Not sure if bad writing or too realistic writing cause girls irl are allergic to accountability as well lol. Especially when it comes down to abortion.
I hope they change Eve in the Show. She's really toxic in the comics...
@RentFreeInsideYourDamnHead I bet they will. That's probably why they made Amber so toxic even tho she wasn't that bad in the comics.
she didn't cheat on mark at all
Eve in the show "um mark ik you saved 9 baby's but where were you at the SoUp KiTcHeN"
Thats not Eve, thats Amber
Oliver looked more like Freddie Mercury here than thragg did
Omni man asking “should I act up too”
Bro mark been getting fucked all types of ways throughout the whole series. Homie lashes out cause someone he thought was a good friend essentially finessed his brother in to dying and then appeared at the funeral like he had nothing to do with it. Lmao, let the man vent
Eve: Stop fighting in front of the people.
Also Eve: Starts fighting Mark in front of the people.
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Tf is that suit made of?! John-Wickium?!
Invincible didn't ask to have villains. He doesn't nothing millions of people die.
Eve "you're a bad example for our daughter"
*Eve proceeds to rock smash and then Kamehameha Mark
Considering she started the cycle of abuse I’d say that’s the pot calling the kettle black.
Eve lost me when she gaslighted Mark for getting an abortion
I like how Allen just stood there and accepted it.
Don’t worry everyone, they get married like 4-6 pages later after that scene
I know I guess she wanted to get Married to him Officially and because they never would be a perfect time and she did not want her daughter to think she was not born out of their love
Why does Oliver look older than Mark? Is it because of the times mark got stranded across time? Or because of Oliver's insect DNA?
It's the insect alien DNA they age much faster
It's the mustaches
I guess, but the main reason why is technically speaking Oliver is Mark's half brother. When Nolan left earth he sorta had a life elsewhere and got together with someone who's species has an accelerated lifespan. So it didn't really take him long to mature, it even surprised Mark in a few comics which had them talking about it. Supposedly he would grow out of it since Viltrumites have very long lifespans but who knows honestly. Sadly we won't find out.
Both actually that is why he looks like he is 30 years old
@@mountagony4776 Nolan told Mark his brother would live for a copple of centuries not thousands of years because Traxn Dna is not very compatible with Viltrumites
Mark is treated terribly
I love how Nolan just ask Debbie should I and Debbie says definitely not holding the baby😂😂😂
Bro Mark is just the Spider-Man of this universe, homie can’t catch a break. The writers refuse it
Bro I would of been mad to like bro he’s the cause my brother’s death of course I’m throwing hands , if I were eve I would of let it played out
Nah why she go after him like that even though it was Allen’s fault for setting up Oliver and getting him killed. Mark was rightfully angry at him. Allen’s shouldn’t have attended in the first place
Maybe don’t fight someone at a funeral in front of your daughter for fighting with someone at a funeral in front of your daughter? What? 😭
I agreed with Mark on this one in particular ngl, for Eve this was the final straw so that’s also understandable, both of them went way too far and should’ve handled it better. Allen went out of his way to put Oliver in as much danger as humanly possible. All because he wanted info on the viltrumites which is very important don’t get me wrong. But Allen lied nonstop ab the nature of Ollie’s mission, if I remember right didn’t even tell mark he was on a mission. Then Oliver dies to Thraggs hand and neither mark nor Allen could do a thing about it. And when the funeral happens Allen wanted underplay his part in it all and was more concerned with his image than actually caring for Mark, Mark is right, Allen might as well have killed him himself. I love Allen’s character, I believe this was a horrible look on his part
"Should I-"
"Definitely not."
- Nolan Grayson & Debbie Grayson
*Nolan Grayson
Crazy how normalized women hitting their male spouses are in media
I wouldn’t say it is normalized, but this is definitely not the way that Eve should have gotten these emotions out.
@@SuperPianogirl123Same could be said with Invincible punxhing Allen.
@@HowlingDoom I never saw this, but agreed. This was a poor display of emotions for everyone involved
that was different he was knew he had gotten his little brother killed and all he could say was sorry @@HowlingDoom
@@HowlingDoomsame could be said about Allen betraying Mark and getting his brother murdered.
She just could wait to make everything about her
People keep saying "Eve is best girl" but she did some shitty things to Mark. Blowing up on him for justifiably losing his shit at Allen and making it about her definitely counts.
Debbie is best girl. Only thing she did wrong was getting back with Nolan.
What is eve even talking about? This isn’t about mark one bit. This was about his brother
She had a bunch of feelings that she had popped up that exploded out when their daughter asked if everyone fighting was their new life. She resents Mark for being a hero and the effects that has on their lives. Actually very thoughtful writing on Eve’s perspective.
@@SuperPianogirl123 what does that have to do with his brothers death? That’s much more of a private matter this needed to confronted right then and there. She’s venting about mark but mark is venting about his dead brother who will never come back Eve talking about mark makes less sense when u really think about it. If mark were to stop being a hero does that stop people from attacking him? No it doesn’t but all of that is irrelevant because this is about his brother not him
@@heerosagayuy2143 It has nothing to do with Oliver, Eve reacted that way because Mark has been completely absent from his daughter’s life and when he comes back, his daughter sees him violently attacking someone while threatening to kill him and wonders if this is what Mark will make their lives into. Eve’s reaction was because of Mark’s actions and their daughter’s reaction to them. This stopped being about Oliver the minute Mark attacked Allen in front of the entire funeral party.
@@SuperPianogirl123 how u figure that? He only attacked because Allen let his brother die it was always about Oliver to mark. And then what did she do? Went and did thaw same thing to him in front of their daughter? You see how foolish this sounds? Mark was in pain for a brother he will never get back with the person who let him die on purpose standing right there. Eve was upset about something that was out of marks control and still is. Mark is upset about something that could have been avoided. Her complaints aren’t even justified especially when you live in that world. Mark can’t change the world but Allen could have saved Oliver
@@heerosagayuy2143 I figured that because I read the scene. Eve didn’t try to stop Mark until their daughter whose name I can’t remember said something and Eve literally snapped. I need you to understand that Mark abandoned his family multiple times and has left Eve alone as basically a single mother. Last time Mark did this, Eve got an abortion because she was presumed dead and she couldn’t raise a child alone. Mark chose to be a super hero, he chose to go fight in war after war while leaving his family at home alone. Mark chose this life and promised Eve something completely different. He abandoned his duties as a father and came back bringing violence into his kid daughter’s life. Even if Allen could have saved Oliver, that wouldn’t erase the fact that Mark is a deadbeat.
Allen was strong enough to one shot most viltrumites, So why didn't he protect Oliver besides the fact that he wanted to motivate Mark, Nolan, and the other viltrumites😢.
I think you just answered your own question
He really wanted Thragg dead so he wanted to motivate Mark and Nolan so he Knew Oliver'S Death would get them to join his fight to end Thragg and Nolan would have a army of Traxn Viltrumite Army but he died and Mark became the Emperor
How dare you fight in front of your doughter?
Without me! ~ Atom Eve 👹
Bruv i just randomly got this short when im like only a part way through Invincible and got spoiled in the first 2 seconds 😭 i didnt even have time to react
Oliver death could have been avoided if allen plan everything out correctly. 1st thing is sending battle beast with the monsters was a mistake. 2nd if you know the weakness of viltrimites send shockwaves in his area. 3 let space racer be your ace in the hole with his gun. 4 simply explain to mark and Nolan that thragg wants revenge and won't stop until they both are dead
Mark would have not joined again because he lost 5 years with his daughter and Nolan would not join as well because he doesn't want to risk the lives of his viltrumites and wants to live peacefully on earth
@@nanaiahmanoj6774thragg told him you better off me or you'll regret it
Eve was definitely wrong about Mark losing those 5 years. He definitely wasn’t trying too that time. He got sucked into a wormhole what was he supposed to do?
no shit, she literally said her own hatred for mark is unjustified because she knew mark was only doing things that he believed was right. Human emotion does not come from reason, just because you know someone's fault that something happened to you doesn't stop you from hating that person. Which is the case here.
At least olover die with great Moustache
Omni-Man watching in the background: That's my boy!