I'm Worried About the New Lord of the Rings Movie
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Lord of the Rings: The Hunt For Gollum has been announced! But do we need it? Well, let's talk about that. At least Peter Jackson is back, with Andy Serkis in to direct. In this video, I go over my worries with what they'll do with Gollum, Aragorn, Gollum and more.
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You’re not pessimistic. Realistic I’d say.
I mean how many times can one get burned and still trust the stove. Fool me once as it were.
Are you gonna review Rick and Morty season 7?
I fail to understand why mention the game ?
"We loves the idea of a Gollum movie."
"NO! WE HATES IT!"
We hates it precioussss
The hunt for a good script.
It's utterly baffling how Hollywood is obsessed with Gollum.
@@chrishill9197
I know lol.
@@chrishill9197 Hollywood anytime some crew manages to create a hit movie they always want to attribute all of that to the IP they own and none to the crew that they legally can't own.
1 full page you said???
- Warner bros: that's at LEAST 3 movies!
"That's what made Lord of the rings epic! That's why people love them! They're 3 long movies!"
There's more in the 'unfinished tales'
The witch king coming to Isengard. Crossing paths Germawormtong etc
@@stebradbury6275 who the hell is Germawormtong?
@@stebradbury6275 Uhh, you mean Grima Wormtongue, right?
Ermagurdtongue
My first reaction to seeing this was like WHY?! No one's asking for this.
Moneyy
@@imlagging6587 why do I hear this in the voice of Ryan George, the producer...? :)
@@gunce57 because it's super easy
MONEY. The answer is always money. The Hobbit movies were a disaster quality-wise, but they still made almost 3 billion dollars, and that's just the movies without any merch.
I agree. The hunt for Gollum storyline in the books was a small paragragh.
I recently made the decision to not engage at all with anything that smells even slightly of cynical brand extension. I have not been disappointed by any media products (not art) since.
Same. I'm tired of these corporate portfolios disgusted as art. I'm fine with reading creator owned comics/shows and films.
so you don't watch anything.... lol
Same. The Star Wars New Hope remake in 2015 really opened my eyes to this and made me realise I'm better off ignoring this new trash undermining what I love.
@@jurb417 There are plenty of original stories being told if you look beyond the highly marketed Hollywood schlock.
Wise man
If I had a nickel for every questionable Lord of the Rings spinoff title centering exclusively around Gollum that literally nobody asked for, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't much, but it's weird that it happened twice.
They treat gollum like he's their SpongeBob. So prepare for "the adventures of baby gollum" and "gollum and the real Ghostbusters"
@@freddybaumgartner3096"baby gollum" would be peak Hollywood...
If I had a cent for every time I've heard that Phineas and Ferb line I'd be loaded.
REAL@@SchmergDergen
I'm kind of tired of the phrase nobody asked for because technically nobody asked for the original Lord of the Rings nobody asked for the original Star Wars nobody asked for the original Fallout
First the video game, now this. What is it about Gollum that makes people think he's an interesting character in a way that's not covered by the films and books?
I think the execs confuse the Gollum memes and recognition with genuine fans of the character and desire for of his story.
Gollum isn't the main. Character here tho
Gollum sucks 😂 but he’s cgi animated so he’s easy to make in this day and age
exactly, same thing with forbids when execs thought the memes meant people liked the movie. they just see the number of hashtags images with their character in it and assume it means people want a full 9 hour movie trilogy of them
morbius*
I'm guessing someone from WB saw the hunt for gollum short fan film on CZcams and said "hey we can steal this and make it bad!"
Haha. They did the same thing with their female predator movie. Me thinks theyre running out of creatives.
And apparently, the new Fallout show steals part of their plot from Children of Time... but I refuse to watch anything they make after The Rings of Bezos. (Except Clarkson's Farm...)
or expand and make it better. Why is everyone is negative and whiny these days?
Someone better save it, before they try to take it down.
@@radagast7200 prey was a pretty decent movie, a one watch sure but not shit like the lord of the rings ip has become
@@thecrazyhobos doesn't change the fact that they ripped it off from a fan film.
Not that I really want anymore LOTR (or any franchise really, I'm so tired of it all), but why not make The Scouring of the Shire into a movie? That's a huge chunk of the story that never made it to the screen, and it has a lot going on. Watching Aragorn and Gandalf hunt for baby-snatching Gollum doesn't even sound that interesting, and Andy Serkis is 60, he's probably not even going to do the physical role of Gollum anyway.
The only remakes of LotR I would tolerate would be one that does the Scouring of the Shire (and the proper arc of Saruman) and the correction of Denethor and Faramir's character.
The other side which is pure fantasy for me would be a remake, but include Bombadil and the Barrow Downs, and include all the songs (get the Tolkien Ensemble and Clavi Prufundis involved, too). Watching Gimli sing or at least recite the Song of Durin would be fantastic (John Rhys-Davies did so in an interview and it was spectacular)
@benharder7816 I would love to see a stop-motion animated Tom Bombadil movie. Make it really whimsical and charming like what Rankin Bass used to do.
They probably think the Scouring has an anti-immigration message, or something.
@@benharder7816can add a proper Ent Moot to the list?
@@radagast7200 There's a lot to be added to be fair. Prince Imrahil and the Dunedain also
Literally the source material: "There is little need to tell of them."
The industry: "Can we make it a trilogy? JRRTCU?"
A tolkein cinematic universe would be awesome. Done properly, you could have some fantastic stories. Personally, I'd love to see the Silmarillion adapted. OTOH, you risk with getting rings of power level of trite bullshit if you're not careful.
@@MD-qb3jb RoP is just fine given that it's Tolkien estate's fault for not providing the rights to adapt the story. The faults of the show are a mix of filming mistakes that were made in the movies too, and writers desperately trying to write around details and stories they legally had to exclude.
remember how in the climax of the Return of the King Sam is screaming at Frodo to "just let it go", but Frodo gives in to temptation and almost dooms all of Middle-Earth for selfish gain? that's kinda like how this feels
I'm worried they're trying to fill in something that doesn't need to be filled, kinda like the Solo movie from Star Wars. Nobody was asking how Han Solo got his name. Nobody wanted to retcon the parsec mistake.
@@TomCruz54321 the fact that it wasn't just organically given to him by the underground community because of how he worked alone until meeting Chewbacca or simply being his family name, that was pretty insultingly bad. but then the whole movie was also really bad even without that
I worked in publishing, and your copy (and probably many of them) suffers from printer slippage--the pages, as they are printed and trimmed, can slip and the margins shift. At least it didn't get completely cut off! (Though QC tries to find and toss copies that go that far.)
Thank you!
I had a copy of a book (Miss Peregine's) that was missing the first five chapters, so the first page was the start of chapter 5, and when I hit where I expected chapter 11 to start, it was just chapters 5-10 again, and then the rest of the book went on normally; how does something like that happen? Machine jam?
@@raeoverhere923 I had something similar. Forget the pages exactly, but like after page 120, it went back to 90-120, then finished off the rest of the book. Had to get a new copy to know what happened in those 30 pages
@@raeoverhere923 I used to work at a book printers. When books are being printed, a group of pages (often 4, 8, 16 or 32) will be printed together on one large sheet of paper. Then that paper is folded and cut by a machine. The resulting ‘bundle’ of sheets is called a signature (it will be an 8, 16, 32, etc page signature- however many pages were printed on the original large sheet). Those signatures are then assembled in the correct order to make the book. Humans were/usually still are responsible for moving the folded signatures to the machine that does the assembling, so some signatures may have ended up in the wrong slot on the assembling machine, and therefore were bound in the wrong spot. If it was a widespread problem in the printing, quality control probably would have spotted it, so it was likely only a limited number of copies in that specific printing that were affected.
So, human error.
@@racheld477 In a way, those limited books with errors are also kind of precious, as they're kinda unique haha,
Remember the slop you got served last time?
Well, expect even worse slop.
yeah but unlike rings of power, this is actually going to be directed by gollum and percy jackson who may i remind u was the creator of the original movies
@@domatdom and he also directed The Hobbit trilogy, your point?
@@MrMexiguy🤢🤢🤢
@@MrMexiguyhobbit failed because wb forced Hobbit to be a three parter and put a lot of restrictions and rules on him, with that being said Peter Jackson did crack with these restrictions which lead to the movies having filler and being worse (still those movies were decent movies that had amazing music and cinematography). Once the studios don’t put restrictions on Peter Jackson can make masterpieces like King Kong 2005 and the Lotr trilogy
Welcome back...
*TO SLOP LIIIIVEEE*
*sees title and is out of the loop in LOTR*
Me: A new…WHAT?
I'm not convinced we need more LotR that follows directly in Peter Jackson's footsteps. I'd personally like a cartoon that tries to bring back some of the vibe of a more fairy tale imagining of Middle Earth, but maybe that's just me.
It's not just you. I feel the old rankin bass elves (wood and high) were superior renditions, as was gollum.
Too see the actual series retold faithfully in a more imaginative way is really the only route forward that matters. otherwise dont bother.
Me too. All I want is for Pete and Guillermo to do 4-5 seasons of a dark adult-animated Silmarillion. It's right there... And nobody will do it.
I just want guilermo to get to do his version of the hobbit.
Or finally get to do his lovecraft movie...
Fuck it I'd be happy if he could be allowed to finish any one of his projects rather than constantly getting the boot or being cancelled
@@sudanemamimikiki1527 He really deserves better.
C Tolkien wont allow it. This has been long ago laid out bare by Christopher that he will not under any circumstances allow it to be made into a film.
I agree its really about the only stuff left to tell in film besides the lost tales, but here we are.
No one has the rights to it
Sure, animated or cgi intense?
I hope it’s a live action version of the gollum game
That would be so funny
It was a BAD, really BAD game. But the story about Gollum and it's presentation was surprisingly kinda good. It was like this little tiny nuget of gold burried under tons of feces.
I cannot think of a single piece of media where dragging a side character into main status for the sequal was a good idea. Especially not a minor character. I will never understand the studio obsession with Gollum. They treat him like a different generation's Minion(s).
Frasier
Gollum isn't the main character of this story though, Aragorn is, he's hunting for Gollum hence the title.
@@Xavier.living.life.If it features minimal Gollum then that statement will only slightly apply to this film (in that he is still being used to sell it). I can only imagine the film being split between Aragorn hunting and various Gollum shenanigans though. I could be wrong
Better Call Saul?
@@sfbenjiNot my thing, but good 'call' yeah
The fan film was great. But I would rather Peter Jackson get the crew back together for a Scouring of the Shire movie.
The thing is, we can have both. But if we are supposed to have this, they have to do it now before the cast gets to old.
@@comebackguy8892 pretty sure they're recasting anyway... but if they did a Scouring Movie, they could push the end out to where Aragorn visits Sam in the Shire... they're actually probably the perfect age for that.
@@radagast7200 Why are you sure about that? It makes absolutely no sense.
@@comebackguy8892 because Vigo and Ian would have to look younger than they did in Fellowship...
@@radagast7200 Ian refuses to be recast, he has said so himself. The other Ian wasn't recast in Hobbit and looked older than he did in Lord of The Rings. So you got anything else?
Peter Jackson should skip this one out
Being dragged into these bad prequels is damaging to his reputation:( I’m sure they’re paying him all the money in the world though. I think he’s burned out at this point though:(
They should bring back Guillermo Del Toro
Or his brother Gollum Del Toro.
They can't stand each other.
I'd kill for a Gollumo Del Toro take
He's already been burned once. "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."
His Lovecraft anthology was actually really good. I particularly enjoyed Pickmans Model.
That would be frankly insulting at this point.
Just repeating my mantra of "They can't change my books or movies that I have" and staring in awe at the new mangling of the property
Yeah, after those dreadful hobbit films (I couldn't finish the third one) and the atrocity that was TRoP, I'm simply done with the LotR "franchise". Whenever some BS like this is announced, I just take the opportunity to rewatch the extended edition of Fellowship, which never fails to entertain me despite having watched it like 10 times ❤
Andy Serkis: 😏
Peter Jackson: 😏
David Zazlav: 😒
I mean hbo is also under zazlav
@@prodigalfraudaddy-es1gl Zazlav is a "do it for the money" kind of guy, not a creative, which is the part that worries me.
I mean its clearly a way Andy Serkis can get funding for projects he’s actually passionate about, directors do this all the time, ‘one for them, one for me’, its shitty but its good business. Jackson’s legacy is very well-known but Serkis has done some rlly cool directorial projects, not all of which have been profitable, and I think this way the studio will fund his other passion-projects. Zaslav is obviously a jackass
All ideas we wanted but will never get due to Evil:
Creation of Ea and the Valar establishing themselves
The story of Beren and Luthien
Story of Turin Turambar
The fall of Gondolin
The story of Feanor
The Silmarils
Etc.......
The enemy has made it so that it cannot be in this world
Good thoughts. In recent years I have adopted the following philosophy toward new installments in my favorite franchises: "If it's good, I'll watch it. If it's bad I'll ignore it." Which is why I haven't watched Rings of Power. I don't even know if it's bad, but enough people seem to think so that I decided "I'll just reread the books instead. Those never disappoint."
Hi brotherhhod workshop! Long time watcher. I agree, that's a great way to approach things :)
Oh it's bad. Worse than I expected it to be.
Even it's one saving grace, the visual effects, felt oversaturated and grandiose to the point that they became dull.
A good score and ultra-shiny CGI just made the horrible acting and script stand out more.
But if enough people told you it's bad you could at least watch it without disappointment or maybe even enjoy it for what it is.
@@FilmscoreMetalerOnly masochists enjoy painful experiences for what they are.
If you love Tolkien's work and appreciate faithfulness to its lore you're better off avoiding RoP. About the only good thing it has is the soundtrack. I watched RoP and was extremely disappointed with it so would advise avoiding it. The books and the LOTR film trilogy are unbeatable.
The problem with the Hobbit movies was that they tried to make three epic films from one book, and strayed so far from the source material I had no idea what movie I was watching. If they had just made one movie, maybe they could have made something decent.
Now they're going to try to make an epic film from a couple of paragraphs. I have a bad feeling about this.
Two 2 hour long movies would have sufficed also. First one ending when Thorins company gets captured in Mirkwood and second being rest of the story. No need for unneccessary action scenes or random-ass elf-dwarf love triangles
Hey, printer here...
There could have been a pagenation error, in which the bleeds are wrong, because they are set up in reverse. The outside edges and the bind edge have different bleed margins, and if you mix them up you get all kinds of wonky errors; text on the edge of the page, text going into the seam of the spine, and even pages coming out of order (though that big of an error rarely gets to market)
Why is Hollywood like that crazy girlfriend/boyfriend you dated in high school.
At first the relationship is simply amazing. But then as time wears on and the proverbial shoe drops you realize just how much the flaws start to show through. And no matter how you phrase it it's always your fault?
Who says it's your fault? If you don't buy or engage with new stuff like this, there is little to blame on you. Unless you keep giving money to these companies.
It is your fault if you let other people's art projects feel like abuse heaped upon you.
What a completely ridiculous and entitled consumerist philosophy. People like to paint themselves and even more ridiculously Tolkien himself as victims of these new projects.
You're not a victim, and you haven't been abused. You just feel entitled to creative control over art that you are not producing.
Fully agree. If they "had" to do a movie tie-in, I think they would have been much better served doing a "Thorongil" story (ie: when Aragorn served both Rohan and Gondor while in disguise). He's young enough at that point that a recast is completely justified and honestly the only characters that could need the original cast would be Elrond, Arwen, Galadriel, and Gandalf (and not of them are critical to telling it properly).
Man, no ip is safe. Take Mufasa, a live action sequel, to another live action remake of a cartoon, they will milk anything that made money at some point.
@@dylandog2296it’s not even live action. It’s all cgi lol
I more look forward to the upcoming animated Hobbit/LotR film War of the Rohirrim.
I'm very sceptic after the Hobbit movies, they are rushing this and it sounds like they are just milking an IP to me.
I read this as "septic" and not "sceptic" and I agreed with it more.
The hobbit enters into public domain in 2030. They are milking the IP for all its worth before it leaves their hands
They only have 10 to 15 years to make money off of the franchise before it enters public domain, it sucks we're gonna get rushed trash until then
I can almost guarantee that Jackson and Serkis don't want to do this. But they know that if they don't do it, it'll be given to someone else and then it would be even worse.
Or maybe you have no idea what they want?
Maybe the parasocial relationship has gone to your head, and you're mythologizing these figures into martyrs based on nothing but gut feelings.
You raised the most important aspect of this to me. How do you even tell an interesting story, where the characters go through a development arc, when the whole thing is basically a filler episode to LOTR?
The fan-film is 40 minutes long and even with that runtime it happens almost nothing.
I'm betting it's going to be just an action movie set on Middle-Earth, with Aragorn killing Orcs and Gollum escaping Mordor.
That makes no sense to me.
You can write mini-arcs for characters even within larger arcs like LOTR. Writers are more than capable of doing so.
To act like it's impossible is to ignore the practically unlimited capacity for art to explore everything from the mundane to the grandiose. Middle Earth contains an incredibly rich tapestry to draw from.
@@samus598 I'm not "ignoring the practically unlimited capacity for art to explore everything from the mundane to the grandiose" lol. Of course writers can write arcs within arcs. All I'm saying is that this type of story is usually pointless. It's like when a franchise threats to kill the protagonist in the next movie, but they announce a sequel.
It'd be kind of hilarious if Stuart Townsend was cast as Aragorn for this
On the other hand, I would be first in line if Jackson and Serkis went back to the Bad Taste/Braindead/Meet the Feebles era and just made a really gnarly, bloody Gollum movie (IIRC, he does steal babies to eat at one point).
No, those Peter Jackson movies were terrible. Not that I was too keen on Jackson in the first place.
@@ontheturningaway if you think Braindead is bad, you have no taste.
@ontheturningaway that's kind of the point though: if every post-LOTR is going to be subpar anyway, why not just really run with it? Use cheap rubber masks and practical effects instead of cgi mo-cap. I want to see Gollum in full cannibal mode, tearing bats and goblins apart.
I agree 100% just go weird. I’ll have fun
I’m way more interested in “The War for Rohirrim” honestly. Takes place in a new timeline with hopefully a cool animation style, and there’s way more story to tell than “actor who isn’t Viggo finds Gollum, asks him stuff, then Gollum escapes.”
Man I'd give anything to see Viggo play Old Man Aragorn
King Elessar
With Gandalf all senile and wheelchair bound, dropping F-bombs on Aragorn, and Aragorn slowly dying of mythril poisoning.
I worked at a print shop. The page you noticed was cut incorrectly. Multiple pages are printed on huge pieces of paper, and cut down to size with a guillotine-like machine. There are guiding lines for cutting that leave room for the margins, but the person operating the machine wasn’t paying attention or it slipped. It was either not noticed or deemed not too damaged to sell.
_Mr. Tolkien, can you sign my copy of Middle Earth Babies?_
_Which one of the babies is your favorite?!_
wow haha
😂
"There is little need to tell of them."
"Dude, where's my Gollum?"
The should do a movie about Tom Bombadil.
Congrats on the publication of your comic man! Big stuff!
Couldn’t they do a Beren and Luthien film? That would be way more interesting.
I like this idea. A tragic love story set in the first age. Or is it in the second age I don’t remember? Ether way I like this
The disconnect is that fans of the OG films who are older now, want to revisit that particular feeling and era of their lives, the studio wants to revisit the income it originally bought, the creators want to revisit the former reverence people had for them when the OG films came out, all parties want different things, and they have a page worth of notes to do it with. It could be an enjoyable film, but it will never EVER be what anyone wants.
They could have made a movie about any other character and it would have better a better idea than a Gollum film.
I totally understand your worries. It's great to have Peter Jackson back, even though only in a producer capacity. But, something I either missed or you failed to mention in this video, is that both Philippa Boyens and Fran Walsh are also returning which gives me at least a slither of hope that it could be something good.
Didn't they also do Mortal Engines? That was a dumpster fire of nothingness. I'll believe in this project if I know for sure they're passionate about it and spent years workshopping the concept. But something tells me they didn't.
The best talent contrbutes little if studios meddle too much
@@LizardSpork They indeed did. But they invested a lot in the original trilogy and I am hoping that will shine through here as well but I get the scepticism here.
@@rosabellavitaalvarez-calde5836 That's true for all movies.
I wonder what non canon "check box" character they will have to add to boss Aragorn around during the hunt?
I mean they have the guy who plays Gollum returning and directing. Not saying this movie will be a masterpiece, but you can't say they didn't pick someone who doesn’t get the character.
Ehhhhh as an avid book fan, Serkis was great, but a faithful Gollum? ehhhhhhh nah. But then again, LITERALLY NONE OF THE PETER JACKSON MOVIES WAS FAITHFUL TO THE BOOKS
@@Jane-oz7ppNot enough endless narration about moss on a log?
I'm happy someone beside Jackson is finally directing a LOTR movie. Especially after how the Hobbit turned out. I know a lot of people thought Andy Serkis' Jungle Book movie went too far but that's honestly what I liked about it. I'm cautiously stoked. Although I really think they could've chose a hundred better things to make it about.
6:46 that was moreso because he didn't like the idea of the hobbit movies shoving Aragorn into the hobbit story when he wasn't a part of it originally.
He was a big fan of these stories so I imagine the only way he'd agree to doing more LoTR films is if they use his character well and serve as a good addition to the franchise.
Honestly I'm kinda baffled how companies refuse to just make their own sequels and instead grasp at straws for prequel or midquel content they didn't adapt yet. I figured it'd be easier to bring on people who have an affinity for these series to write their own stories rather than forcibly stretch more and more small chunks of these narratives into full length films.
I'm glad we're getting the War of Rohirrim movie too at least...
yeah they lost all our confidence after rings of power
Aragorn literally saying; “there is not much to tell”, seems a good indication to keep our expectations low and maybe at best we’ll be able to pleasantly surprised! 😊
had preordered the physical copy of your comic way back in the fall, got it and cant wait for the next issue!
Hey dude just wanted to say got BINARY SEA in the other day and read it, LOVED IT! The only negative part...is the agonizing wait for the next issue. Keep up the great work, hermano!✌
Just got my Binary Sea Comic!
Same vibes as the golumn game lol
The Hunt for Gollum was a fan film made in 2009. I am so glad you mentioned that as Newline Cinema almost blotted it out from existence.
I’m not asking for more LOTR movie, but the animated adaptions of the appendices seems like the way to go to me
This is what fantasy adaptation fans are getting pushed out of the sausage grinder while there is a perfectly good prime rib of Cosmere sitting right over there, waiting to be sliced into.
do we wanna risk them messing up the Cosmere tho? I think the Stormlight Archive could easily be the next GoT, but I don't think they'll do it properly
@@Yarblocosifilitico I say we get on with doing it. I think the book series is well big enough to survive a bad adaptation if it plays out, and Sanderson will just keep churning out bangers. It's well worth the risk.
Oh great, just what everyone here needs. A new adaptation to whine about endlessly and make ourselves the victims of.
Just have Peter Jackson do a trilogy (or 2) on the Silmarillion and be as faithful as possible, it's a no brainer and what fans want more than making up stories in the gaps of what already exists.
The lack of source material is actually the best part about this. First take The Bicentennial Man or Predestination, both were expanded greatly from sparse writings and did very well, letting the filmmakers be able to create their own vision changing what was written. More importantly though, we don't have anything to compare it to so we can't get disappointed that it's different, that's often the biggest rub in film adaptations.
The era of good movies are over. Everything they do today fails.
My dream cast for the new movie:
-Idris Elba as Gandalf
-Whoopi Goldberg as Galadriel
-Dev Patel as Aragorn
-Awkwafina as Arwen
-Simone Ashley as Eowyn
-RuPaul as Saruman
And wait for it...
Jada Pinkett Smith as GOLLUM!
hearing Age of Men by Jo Wandrini really caught me off guard, but I’m happy you used it because it’s a beautiful song! I’m a fantasy music nerd lol
The only part of LOTR worth adapting which wasn't done in the trilogy would be The Scouring of the Shire. They could adapt that pretty much straight from the book and it would make a great movie. The only trouble is that the main cast would all need de-aging. It doesn't look great when it's secondary characters, but when it would be the four main cast members for the entire movie, it would be too noticeable unless they improve the technology massively.
Don't worry it's garbage
At some point they will definitely try to make The New Shadow a reality
Andy Serkis also directed that Netflix Jungle Book film, personally I liked it more than Disney's Jon Favreau one. It was more emotional and artistically driven than its counterpart. The Venom franchise has a tone of its own so he was limited to work under the confines of the tone set by the first one. I think he did his best considering the script he was given to work with.
Got both covers my guy great work
I mean Gollum is my favorite Lord of the Rings character, so, having more Andy Serkis as him could be fun
Not sure how much content you have planned down the pipeline but you alluded to discussing the Flanderization of characters in shows like the office in one of your other videos and I would be interested in seeing you make a video like that
Growing as a movie lover is transitioning from Return of the King being your favorite movie for its scale of battle to The Fellowship for its world building, character development, arc, etc
As a former book binder, I can say that your book was just "cut" wrong. What probably happened is that the part that this text was printed on, was slightly moved during the cutting of the paper, your book just ended up being the one with that paper. It sucks, but it happens, and normally when a large section is cut wrong, the entire section is just thrown away, but because this is just one page, they might have even missed it all together. It happens, nobody's perfect.
The biggest problem might be wanting to create drama and create this life-death encounters between, say, Aragorn and Orcs, or even Nazgul, and then ask yourself - well why this wasn't in the book then? The same way the insertion of Legolas into Hobbit and making him do crazier stuff than he did in the original trilogy was a horrific choice.
Like if Aragorn gets near death a bunch of times in these movies, I'm gonna be seriously pissed. I'm not an optimist, but I do think there's a great movie in there - it's just has to be minimalistic so to speak. Just give us a fun adventure with beautiful photography, get us back to Middle Earth we know and love. Give us top notch production value. And give us A STORY - that's well rounded and makes sense. It doesn't have to be grand in scope at all.
Also I think there are a lot of significant moments in that part of Tolkien's history. Aragorn's youth is definitely something Tolkien didn't explore that I think he might have had he lived longer. So there's definitely potential in this whole thing - but I think we have every right to be pessimistic. EDIT - I wrote a comment right before you said a lot of similar stuff in the vid, lol.
Why worry? If it sucks, it sucks. A week ago the idea of the movie didn't even exist, so we didn't actually lose anything if it turns out to be bad.
And if it doesn't suck, we've got something more to enjoy. A bonus we didn't think we would have before.
Serkis actually was a second unit director on all 3 Hobbit movies, so he already knows how to direct Jackson's style. I think he'll do great.
Peter Jackson came out with an interview where he said that the movie is gonna be focussed around Smeagol/Gollum, not just the hunt. It should tell the story of how he got hold of the ring up to the events of the trillogy
“There is little need to tell of them” applies to so many movies.
Honestly you make a lot of great points and I'm cautiously optimistic. Mostly because LOTR has already been run through in my opinion so that perfect image is already shattered. It can't get worse right?
I had the movie tie-in omnibus, and it was actually missing one line of the ring inscription where Gandalf recites it.
They should make a movie called "What the Balrog of Moria was doing before the Dwarves dug too greedily, and too deep".....That would be highly interesting.
There’s some kind of symbolism with how as the LoTR IP becomes increasingly monetized to the detriment of the quality it focuses more and more on the character of Gollum; a creature who lost their humanity because of their inability to let go of a shiny object
3:40 how does your book look exactly like mine, creases included!!?? (I do have an older copy that was published back in the 60/70s, but I keep it tucked away safely and never read them. I only read my post-movie versions.)
There's more source material than what you described, there's also Gollum being abducted initially and sent to Lugburz for interrogation then conspiratorially allowed to leave, which could be interesting because we literally never get to see inside and their plans. There would be far more interactions with orcs in this story. There's also everything he did while he was tailing the Fellowship which is a ton of material in itself. It's not like there isn't a tale there. This story would essentially be a LOTR prequel and sets the stage for Lugburz discovering that the ring is in the Shire with "Baggins"
I see why they must of seen this as story potential because its vague. aragon says that nothing significant happened. But aragon comes off as a very humble and modest individual that is less on talking about what happened and more focused on that it worked out.
And since what you described as most of the details we get of aragons journey is only from gandalfs perspective. as aragon seeks gandalf in mirkwood to somewhat interrogate smeagul (which is a pretty big development). it seems that potentially there might of been alot more to the journey than what aragon is letting on. Im just hoping that they have been speaking to Tolkien lorists and use the books to base their logic for what happens in the story and tie it with "well would that work in the novels?" They really need to be genuinely critical of their story so that it doesnt just come off as fanfiction. 😅
I think you're absolutely right. But I also there still are movies that can be made from Lord of The Rings lore. "The War of the Rohirrim" is promising because it's set within that world, but comes from something Tolkien only mentions briefly in an appendix. There's room for a story to be told there. You could say the same for the Tolkien works that were published by Christopher Tolkien after his father's death: "The Silmarillion," "Unfinished Tales," "The History of Middle Earth," and so on. When chosen carefully and adapted with love, there are lots are stories there that could be brought to life.
But the hunt for Gollum isn't one of those stories, for reasons you explain very well in your video. It's not meant to be an important part of the saga, with lots of action and significance. It's just a strange and rather dark chore Aragorn had to do once, where he met an important character but nothing of significance happened. There's little room for a story to be told.
I 100% agree with your statement about "The Fellowship of the Ring" being your favorite. I have long thought the same thing.... the masterful arc from humble beginnings, to recognition of duty and danger and a traumatic future ahead, brought back to the simplicity of the final line of two friends amidst it together, with one turning to the other to say plainly "I'm glad you're with me." It's beautiful. I never get why out of the three it has the lowest score (though to be fair, all films are well within the high ranks of 90+%) I think people like the action of "The Two Towers" for that beautiful clash at the end, the battles rising together and the light clashing with darkness with Samwise's voice over telling the moral. But I still can't get past the sheer simplicity of TFOTR...in the end, outside of the "stories" (that Samwise refers to in TTT) most of us at the end of the day, just need a friend to turn to to know we aren't alone. It's the most ...precious... thing on earth and in our human experience. The core message of the whole trilogy - there's never one hero. No hero's journey is ever done alone.
I actually joked to a friend when this was announced "This must be because the game was so successful". Eeesh. I don't have high hopes but you never know. Andy Sirkis did really make this character pop back in the original movies. Im not sure why they haven't just done the highly demanded Tom Bombadil musical. Hugh Jackman has been lobbying for it for years.
You’re definitely an early 90s baby- if not late 80s. You described my childhood to vividly 😆
Two things:
1. The recent Dracula movie The Last Voyage of the Demeter basically did the same thing (expanding a tiny part of a book into a whole movie), so it would be interesting to compare that.
2. The appendix says that the hunt for Gollum took eight years and covered a lot of ground. So there's at least dramatic space for a chase movie with lots of events.
Freeman and Serkis' "Riddles in the Dark" scene was the one bright point of that trilogy.
And I am .... well , not worried .
I gave up on movies and tv shows after the last jedi , and now I only watch new animes ,old movies and old cartoon shows.
But , Hey ...have fun kids ....
Totally with you . Just watched "It" silent film 1927 starring Clara Bow. Great fun :-)
The Hunt for Gollum is a period where Aragorn and Gandalf were searching for gollum. I believe this period lasts quite a long time, and will be centred around Aragorn rather than Gollum.
Since when is Golum a favorite character? especially out of the context of his journey with Sam and Frodo. Is he gonna have a character arc? is Aragon? What would this film be about?
The Hunt for Gollum sounds like a In-Universe Documentary🙃
Some Guy a few Thousand Years after the Movies: ,,But who was this Gollum?"
**Re-Enactement by a Actor with Lightning Effects over it**
,,a tragic Figure"
,, Follow us on this incredible Journey to discover what Gollums Life was like, from his Birth to his tragic Descent into Insanity to his Death"
I'll keep something of an ear open for how well the film does, but for the most part I'm checked out of all modern Middle Earth projects. The original works by Tolkien are as incredible a testament to one man's imagination as you'll find, and where that doesn't need to end with the original author (I mean just look at all the good work Christopher Tolkien did). Everything that's been tacked on afterwards outside the estate seems to only exist for profit, and even the assumption that I have to watch it to then make my mind up just feels like corporate arrogance, and presumption.
Sauron won, and I'm just gonna go back to wide range of original books when I want to engage with the world.
Bro.. I had that same version of Fellowship and spent time observing the page edges in that one chapter over and over. WTF was that?!?!?!?
I would much rather see them throw all of that time, money, and effort at creating a movie version of some of the other great fantasy series by other authors. The Earthsea Series by Ursula Leguin and The Riddle-Master of Hed series by Patricia McKillip are the two fantasy series I would most like to see brought to the big screen. There is enough material in either series to make a full trilogy of movies without having to invent a great deal of filler material.