Dune 2 is a Wake-Up Call for Hollywood
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Dune Part 2 looks incredible, sounds incredible and is an unlike most blockbusters in theaters. In this video I talk about why the industry needs to embrace making films this way.
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I hope we get more Dune films.
I hope we got more medium movies
aestHetic
I found Zendaya wildly over rated, sulky and annoying.
Loved it! I think some book pureists will be annoyed with the ending, but imo Denis did a good job for his version of Dune and the message he wanted to send. I was a bit disappointed with the ending because I love the book ending with Chani and Jessica, but I get that it didn't fit with his vision of the story.
I'll admit while watching Dune i started wondering how expensive this movie was compared to recent super hero movies. I was blown away by the fact that it has a smaller budget.
Facts. How much outright larceny was involved with the other so called blockbusters
The Creator cost 80 million
@@evgenkhersonets880i never ended up watching that, was it a good movie?
@@MoManiaTV not speaking for them but The Creator has amazing visuals, especially given the budget, but I just couldn't get into it and a lot of that was due to how the movie was edited. The editing caused the pacing of the movie to feel fast though it was definitely a film that wanted to have those intimate character moments.
@@MoManiaTV for the budget it had compared to superhero films the visuals were on a different level
Finding a director that loves the source material I think is the key to future. Not just getting big names
A director with talent really really helps though
a director with talent and equal love of the source material is the true key.
That's not always the case. Tony Gilroy isn't familiar with Star Wars and he made the best thing on the franchise since Empire Strikes Back. Sometimes you need someone that isn't totally familiar that can bring new blood. I'm kind of an iconoclast tho, so that's really a personal opinion. I thing we just need good writers and give them time.
The bigger problem is the studios themselves, they're run by executives who don't know anything about movies, never mind fiction and they carelessly hire the wrong people, or they hire the right people and handicap them with non-stop interference. The Dark Tower (2017) is a good example, the director was apparently a *massive* Stephen King fan, and a capable director, he still gave us one of the worst King adaptations ever, because the studio had no faith in the source material.
That was ALWAYS the key.
Almost every flop in the last ten years is because they DON'T stay true to the source material or DON'T care about it... they want to tell their own story, that speaks to them.
When I first saw Dune 1, it is soooo magnetic that I went to read the books immediately.
For Dune2, it is the only film so far in my life that I want to watch it a second time directly.
Nice. I saw SW Ep 7 three or four times. Nothing beats an epic movie multiple times in theater.
Hopefully Dune 3 is strong and doesn’t stain the trilogy like SW did
me too, I'm 50 years old and Dune 2 is the ONLY film I've ever paid to see at the theatre twice.
@@nickh4676Star Wars bad
@@OrangeJungle gotta disagree. ST and BOBF has been bad, but other projects have ranged from average to damn good
@@nickh4676 nah ik im kidding
I absolutely cannot wait until this comes out on 4K and I can watch both parts together, as one film. It’s gonna be insane.
The first one is pace so much slower than part 2. That switch up at the intermission is gunna be crazy
@@poindextertunes I honestly expected it to hit trilogy status since they were only about 35-40% of the way through the abridged version of the book with part 1. Instead we got 3 immersive hours that felt like it had only been one.
It's gonna be the new LOTR marathon.
I watched it in VR back to back and HOOOBOY it's an experience!!!
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Dude, this video came out the exact second I left the cinema.
Are you the Lisan Al Gaib?
It is as the prophecy is written!
As it's written!
He shall know your ways!
As is written
*surprised pikachu face* as written..
Dune has some of the best CGI I've ever seen. None of it feels cartoony or triggers that part of the brain where you go, "Well that's obviously fake." Absolutely loved both parts!
2 of my favorite movies, but did we all forget the original vision Paul has of himself in the gold armor rolling around and fighting? That was really bad and I'm really curious why. Wouldn't put it past general pandemic rushes
Lol yeah that scene *really* stands out in a pair of movies where almost all the effects are amazing. Especially after all the action set pieces in part 2 looked *so* much better.
@1999studios When you see his face in that scene, it definitely could've looked better. Overall though, that's a small drop a in large pond of VFX that are absolutely beautiful, better than most in my opinion, and worth appreciating.
@@1999studiosI remember this scene, but I didn't pay attention to it in the cinema. It seemed to me that the quality has improved since the release of the trailer. It's hard to remember now
They did the worms justice. They looked fantastic and believable.
Dune and Dune Part Two completely blew me away. It has the scale, love and care that EVERY blockbuster movie should have, and having a director that knows how to approach the project is key to that. I am so thrilled by these movies and can only hope they mean a change in the way Hollywood makes these big budget movies
Honestly am already exited for the final part this movie is most certainly one of my favorites especially when it comes to scenery acting and the story
Dune Part One was honestly mediocre imo. Sure, pretty to look at but I fell asleep halfway through. That said, Dune Part Two completely changed my mind. It was nothing short of a spectacle seeing this film in IMAX and furthermore, the story in the second film had me hooked way more than the first.
@@el_chapolman5023 You fell asleep to Dune? How? The first film was fantastic. If you can't handle a slower pace, and need the action of the second film, I'm not sure what you're really even getting out of the franchise. Both are great, neither are mediocre. Watch it again.
@@HEARTS-OF-SPACEOh, definitely! The second film reignited my interest in the series, and I’m certainly going to rewatch the first film. And probably appreciate it more this time around. Cheers👍
@@el_chapolman5023 That's good to hear! Enjoy!
Honestly, his films remind me SO MUCH of cinema from the 60s and 70s. Naturally, they didn't have ornithopters and CG sandworms, but the attention to visual detail feels like a callback to the masters of the past. And you're right, a lot of "blockbuster" filmmakers just don't shoot for that these days.
As someone who regularly invites friends over for "watch all 3 extended editions of LotR in a day, everyone bring snacks". I'm excited in a few months to add a Dune part 1&2 watch straight through w/ friends.
wish i could have friends like you..
Had the whole gang over to watch part 1 with pizzas and wings then drove 15 minutes to the theatre to watch part 2 in IMAX. Best decision ever
@@romanfedorowycz4090sounds like 100/10 day💯🔥😮💨
Just wait til he makes Messiah
SAME
There's almost an old Hollywood epic feel to Dune. The way it only has dialogue when it needs but has so much non verbal spectacle to build the world and give it that scale and lived in feeling is amazing.
I've not seen part 2 yet. Part 1 lacked that lived in feeling. So I hope 2 is better.
This is particularly significant considering that Dune is based on Lawrence of Arabia.
@@lapineee Dune 2 will make you convert to Islam fr
@@AweSean-wv3xo Villeneuve actually de-Islamized Dune by a lot. You had the concept of Jihad along with Arabic names for Fremen in the books and whatnot. Some of the things in the book, if adapted to the screen would've probably caused all of social media to seethe and review bomb the movie to oblivion.
@@AweSean-wv3xo 😂
I saw this movie, and I have kept having flashbacks from certain scenes. I think that you made me understand why my subconscious is still trying to tell me what a beautiful experience it was and I should cherish it more
Several scenes in this movie left me watching in open-mouthed amazement, it's such a well-crafted movie. And the music and sound design is absolutely brilliant along with it.
When the screen began to fade to black, I nearly cried out because, even after 3 hours, I wanted it to continue.
same! just watched it last night I am really considering watching it again haha
same, if i hadn't had an headache i would have liked to keep watching it (im also gonna rewatch it as soon as it' available)
@@martina764 my ears were ringing for hours afterwards
@@martina764 funny you are saying that because I also had a headache the next day when I woke up, but I think it was because of the 02 mojitos and the beer I had the night before lol
the movie isn’t even 3 hours long
Everyone says it’s a cgi v practical debate but more of a pre-production v post production. Too many current blockbusters have been rushed to get shot so little sets, costumes and script edits have been made and it’s all pushed to post prediction for the vfx to carry everything
Indeed. I still find it insane that the time travel suits in Avengers:Endgame were CGI! Not because the filmmakers thought it would look better, but simply because they hadn’t finalized the suit design when they were filming. And then they had the nerve to remove a month of work the VFX teams desperately needed
Look at a film like the Creator. That film cost $80 million and looks way better than some films with 3 times the budget. I was sad to hear that it flopped because I think it's incredible. Why don't more films use the same methods as Dune and the Creator when it comes to VFX since it's cheaper and looks better.
@@Coolcoolcooldude Ye, saw that movie twice in the theatres. Absolutely stunning piece of filmmaking. Kinda wish the story was better, but I would happily take 100 movies like The Creator as opposed to the majority of modern day blockbusters
This is also telling when movies like BALLERINA finished filming over a year ago but not releasing until June 2025, MISSION IMPOSSIBLE 7 & 8 began shooting just before Covid-19 hit, CPT. AMERICA 4 finished filming last year but still years away from coming out, and I’m sure others…
@@Coolcoolcooldude The Creator has significant stumbles in the pacing, no way around it... but saying it lacked vision or that it didn't try to make an "atmosphere" to its world and didn't succeded in some parts is downright a lie.
What he says at the 2:00 mark is a really interesting point. Lord of the Rings and Pirates looked so impressive for their time, we were all wondering how CGI would change the way movies were made. Fast-forward 20 years, and it barely changed - if anything it got worse, with most big budget movies looking 10x worse than Return of the King. CGI simply stopped being impressive since it flatlined and even degraded since 2003.
Dune is the first movie since that actually looks like a big step forward for CGI. It pushes the technology further creatively without looking fake or overdone. It's probably the best I've seen.
I'm reading Dune now and I'm blown away by the visual world in the movies (Dune and Dune 2). In my opinion Herbert spends much more time on characters and dialogue than on details of the setting. At least compared to Tolkien for ex. who spent far more time on setting. In other words, Villeneuve was truly visionary with how he extracted the soul of the books and put it on screen.
I actually felt like a kid again watching this film. Just felt like something spectacular, immersive and exciting, which I haven’t seen in a very long time
exactly the feeling I had. Never felt this way anymore since I watched Lord of The rings..
and it didn’t even feel too long in spite of being 3 hours!
Same thing here, I’m reminded of the time my family and I went to watch Revenge of the Sith in the theater, I’m not complaining about bad characters doing bad choices, not complaining about poor CGI uses, not complaining about the blatant agenda that’s been shoved into the media without even a single concern whether the story will be good or not.
I am simply mesmerized by everything that was happening, visually, sonically, and emotionally. It’s been years since I last stepped in a theater, DUNE revived that sense of happiness that the cinema used to fill me with, just pure, simple, joy.
I said the same to my wife after we left the theatre. It felt like a spectacle, as a good film should.
EXACTLY. I legit thought, this is why cinemas exist. For movies like this and for actors like Timothy, legendary next generation actor in the making
This particular director had been storyboarding this thing since he was 13 years old. He knew exactly how he wanted everything to look and was able to convey all of it to his vfx artists.
Damn is their a source for that? I know he grew up reading the books but I’d love to hear more about him planning it for so long
@@elliottpartridge5542yeah you can find interviews with him about this, the directors name is denis villenueve
@@elliottpartridge5542 He probably wasn't planning it continuously since he was 13, maybe he was drawing some scenes in his head at that age, then abandoned it for years to pick it up later
@@elliottpartridge5542 He's done a lot of interviews about Dune. Even before the movie was announced, even before he knew he was gonna get the chance to do it.
To clarify, he isn't using any of the scenes from his 13 year old self. He says he was inspired by one of them and that's it. It is pretty cool, I think I was yelling at my mom to make pizza pockets at that age. I'm a failure
I just wanted to congratulate you on an amazing video that I am happy someone made.
Dune Part 2 was a breath of fresh air in a dying industry. There hasn’t been a film that felt this complete and awe inspiring in years.
If people are still watching Star Wars after watching Dune 1 & 2, then they are not fans of the medium and what it should be.
Great video. Agreed with absolutely all of it. Let’s hope for Dune 3
Dune 2 was my favourite cinema experience since the first matrix. I was blown away from start to finish.
I actually shed tears while watching Dune part 2. My girlfriend asked if I was okay and was worried at why I was crying. I had a hard time explaining to her that it wasn't the plot or the events of the movie... But it was that someone took a book/story that is very important to me and treated it with enthusiasm and respect. So many marvel movies, Star wars movies, hell even just remakes in general have let me down with the lack of detail and passion, and to see this treatment gave me hope for the future of movies.
I felt engaged, enchanted, enveloped while watching this movie and I haven't felt that in a while.
This comment got a few tears out of me
I haven’t even read the books (only listened to some of an audiobook of the first book)
but Villeneuve’s Dune is peak fiction.
I watched it with a couple friends the first time, but the second time watched it alone, and I felt this. This is the type of passion that Frank Herbert's work deserved.
Thank you! It’s nice to read a critique that does not jump to the problem is “woke”
I stayed as credit rolled out and swallowed tears too, so happy DV nailed it, thinking this is the right movies/message for our times and how many who never read the saga will be surprised at the following movies. I am so glad there will be another generation discovering this masterpieces and digesting its warnings.
What I said elsewhere is that it's the first movie I'd seen in a while where it felt like the CGI effects were in service of an artistic vision, rather than like shiny keys being jangled trying to entertain a baby. Just being able to sit in a movie theater and feel a movie wash over you rather than feel your mind picking restlessly at the creators' choices feels incredibly luxurious. I enjoyed it a lot.
Great take on this. 🍻
Same with Lord of the Rings. Expert use of CGI.
Long awaited sci-fi for adults. CGI effects was one thing but also lack of those cringy dialogues was very refreshing.
@karolstopinski8350 exactly, it feels like the first truly Adult scifi I've watched in a very long time.
Well done. Excellent essay on a film that i absolutely enjoyed. So well done! Bravo to all those involved in the production of this masterpiece
My good friend, as an everyday french speaker from Quebec (from where Denis is from) let me save you from the avalanche of comments you are sure to receive: it is Ville-neuVE. The VE at the end is important to the pronounciation. Much love your review and analysis was execeptional and very entertaining.
I was looking for someone saying this. For those not familiar with the the pronunciation, try pronouncing it to rhyme with how a Londoner would say "nerve" or "serve" (i.e. without pronouncing the letter R). Not a perfect equivalent but it gets you most of the way there.
Dune 1&2 are the perfect examples of what happens when a great director with a clear vision is given creative control over a project they are truly passionate about/understand. Villeneuve has quite literally waited his whole life to make these movies, as he drew out an entire storyboard for Dune when he was a kid!
I appreciate that the movie has diversity yet you don't feel hit over the head with it. It seems natural not forced.
Hopefully we get a similar magical fruit for the Red Rising Netflix series, Ender's Game Remake, and The Dark Tower Remake 🙏
Absolutely!!! He’s taken the approach that peter Jackson did with LOTR and kept as close to the source material as possible while also doing some cinema creative choices that made sense for the big screen and specific pacing
@@Tsar-Czar that's also what happens when you add woke content appropriately and don't slap it together for the sake of reaching woke people like disney does.
and then he ignores basic premises of Dune to make an action movie, seems he sold out his vision for $
My favorite part about Dune is that it feels like a cinematic VISION... It doesn't feel formulaic or as if it's trying to meet a certain studio's quota.
Everyone who worked on Dune seems to understand what makes the project so special, and as I was sitting in the theater, I could FEEL that.
I know so many people in the audience are hungry for stories and projects that feel like they were handled with love and care. And Dune IS that film.
People complain about being sick of remakes, reboots, and sequels....until one comes along that they love. The problem hasn't been hollywood's insistence on being mostly "unoriginal", it's studio execs cranking out product for the sake of it without genuine passion for the work.
Like you said, these two films clearly came from a place of genuine adoration for the material. When a talented filmmaker genuinely loves and understands the material, and the studio execs give them reign to create, then you're far more bound to get a work of art.
What a great comment sheesh
Amen🙌
The atmosphere masterful woven to the story is second to none.
And by Vision, you have to include decades of story boarding and writing, like with Furry Road
I agree with the video and I also like how you talked about Shogun because when me and my friends were talking about dude I also introduced the Shogun part into the conversation.
I watched this movie in 4D and the wind that was blown in our faces had a slight hint of cinnamon and chili, kinda how id expect spice to smell, this was an amazing touch
Havent been to the theaters since avengers endgame.
Dune 2 was worth every penny
Endgame was garbage but you missed plenty of films in between.
@miz4535 endgame was great, and I didn't miss anything, I caught everything just on streaming. Dune 2 however that was worth seeing in theaters
@@miz4535yea agreed, everything everywhere all at once, whilst in a very different realm of sci-fi (arguably it's a philosophical mindfuck, for want of a better word) left me with an equally satisfied and persistent feeling of 'wow' upon leaving the theatre.
Same. The combination of how lacking Endgame was, COVID and the rapidly aggressive death of good cinema did that to me as well.
Godzilla Minus One was worth watching in theaters
The arena scene with Feynman-Rautha was so intense in the theater it had my heart rattling. The score was amazing and Oscar worthy again.
> Feynman-Rautha
Surely you're murdering, Mr. Feynman-Rautha!
wtf does feynman gotta do wit it
@@honkhonk8009get of the crack and reread their comment..
Dr midnight thank you so much for giving some extra dune content that isn’t spastic or insane like the other CZcamsrs. Thank you bud.
Was a huge fan and am a huge fan of your content
First time seeing your channel. Came up in the algorithm. And I'm glad it did. I agree with you so much! And I think you've captured why so many of us love both Dune movies. I didn't see the first one in the theater. And the second I saw on IMAX (so worth it). Both excited me for reasons you mentioned. From set design being so grand to the sound to the costumes. The first Dune movie had sounds that triggered emotions reminiscent of Sicario or the TRON remake to me. You constantly felt something throughout the movie.
I love both of Dune movies so much! And though I'm from the day of the original Dune movie (which I hated even back then), I just truly knew both of these movies would be a hit. And I'm so happy to experience them.
Looking forward to part 3. It's been a great ride!
For me, Dune part 2 was more about Paul’s fall than his rise. Yes, he frees the Fremen, becomes the emperor, ends the Harkonnen bloodline, all of that. And yet, he goes on to kill billions, all because the Fremen believe in their savior. The movie is one big gom jabbar test. Become their Lisan al Gaib, or watch as Feyd annihilates them. Paul has gotten to the point where he _cannot_ take his hand out of the box, even if the Harkonnen threat has been silenced, and the pain will build forever as the Fremen lead the holy war across the universe.
And yes, it was such an awesome story to witness.
🥱
@@SWOTHDRAare you gurney trying to put up his tent? For you seem to lack any understanding of the ways of the desert.
Amazing comment
The fall really hasn’t even started yet. He didn’t even lose a child like he did in the original book. But Chani’s discontent is certainly strong foreshadowing
Harkonnen line has not ended, because he is both Harkonnen and Atreides.
There is something quite ironic in *Dune* going from a movie that's infamous because the studios interfered with the director (a high profile director like David Lynch nonetheless) to a movie that shows you what happens when the studios don't interfere and let the director do his thing
You'd think Hollywood would've learned 20 years ago with Lord of the Rings and its mountain of Oscars, but noooooo...
While that is true, Lynch was recorded as confirming that he'd actually never read the book. So I do believe that even without studio intervention in his version, Villeneue would have been the better movie. If only because of his respect and passion for the source.
Sorry, I need serotonin @@SomeCZcamsTraveler
@@SomeCZcamsTraveler My guess is that is hit or miss. By always following a formula, they can guarantee a movie that will pay itself, being safer. However, that doesn't generate good films - which is not their goal.
The sponsor transition was very brilliant
I listened to an interview with Villaneuve after Dune II came out. I can't quote him, but he said that he wished that he didn't have to use any dialog and could just tell story with visuals. The care with which he composes his shots is exacting and it shows.
This film felt like it had an actual soul and was made by people who truly loved it and wanted it to be the best that it could possibly be.
Most blockbuster movies feel like they came off the corporate assembly line with people who are just here for their paycheck.
We need more of the former and no more of the latter.
Nailed it!
Agreed. But a lot of that assembly line you speak of is the studios' fault more than the filmmakers. All studios see is dollar signs so they hire whoever they can to crank out product...and the writers and filmmakers jump on board just because they don't want to pass up the [potentially once-in-a-lifetime] opportunity, only to then be boxed in by whatever parameters the execs force them to stick to.
I love A24 but I can see them turning into a similar machine in the next 5-10yrs if they're not careful.
Too many people have watched too many cookie-cutter Blockbuster so the studios did not need to produce different movies. I am so glad that in 2023 most DC/Marvel films flopped because now we might have a chance to see different kind of blockbusters again.
Hollywood needs auteurs like Villeneuve more than ever
Thank god for drugs
Im not seeing the greatness. I thought dune. 1 was ok, but 2 was worse. And I want no more Zendaya at all
The guy barely makes original films, he can't be called an auteur
@@ousamahachoumi838 Sounds like you don't know what an auteur filmmaker is. Both by thinking that Villeneuve isn't one and by your choice of argument.
@@ceasarsaran8573 How so?
I’ve always struggled for actors names but in the past I was always able to recognise and tell you the name of any movie within just a few seconds. It was my special talent, and used to amuse my dad no end - he’d be watching something, I’d walk in and identify it. But these days I genuinely struggle to do that, the reliance on green screens to do so much makes them all often look very similar.
I’m a huge Dune fan so I’m really glad to see these break that trend and do well
Total fan, this was a great B-day treat for me. I loved the first one, and I've loved all the previous movies, books, and TV series. The second one was fantastic. At the end of the first one, it was a total cliff hanger and I immediately did a web search to see if part 2 was in the works. I hope they continue to create new movies and content in this fantasy world. I'd enjoy seeing some more sequels, maybe some TV series, and some video games.
When I left the theater, I was hit hard by the "This is what cinema should be". It feels authentic and fleshed out in a way that the mass produced marvel films just can't hit nowadays
There's something really poetic about the success of the Dune movies, the story of which subverts traditional hero narratives by showing the inevitable dangers of following a charismatic hero, and the decline of comicbook movies.
I'll always like my capeshit, and so I'll still check out CBMs, (eventually probably) but there's something really symbolic happening here lol.
I really liked the ending. Previous versions have gone for the heroic triumph feel-good ending and skipped the "...and then he launched an interstellar religious war that killed billions" which is not only something that Paul tried to prevent throughout the majority of the film, even to the point of basically contemplating suicide so he doesn't take that step, but forms a critical part of the future of that universe.
What a vague comment lmfao. What is the poetry/symbolism here? Be specific
The rise of Dune coincides with the fall of Star Wars too, interestingly enough
@@vs6584Star Wars fell in 1983, more than anything
@@hermanubis96
? Hmm? The context and specifics are in the comment itself. Frank Herbert, through Dune, deconstructs and comments on charismatic figures and the hero narrative.
I just thought it's a funny turn of events that the decline of Cape flicks, which rely on traditional hero stories, coincided with a successful adaptation of Dune.
I just saw it for a second time but in imax and I still absolutely loved it. I’m a huge fan of the books so there’s definitely things in the story that didn’t work for me but as a movie version of the book it’s incredibly well made and you can tell that Denis has a love and passion for the material
Incredible video ❤ well made
Captain Midnight: you should give directors the latitude to fulfill their creative vision without constantly interfering.
Studio Executives: “The power to destroy a thing is the ultimate control over it.”
Dune and Part 2 are the first movies that I can recall actually reccomending people specifically to see in theatres. Most movies I feel are just as good on your home tv, but these Dune films feel like blockbusters and I feel actually warrant the trip to a theatre to see them on the big screen. It's just an entirely different feeling from the movies that we've been getting and I'm totally here for, give us more Dune tier movies.
@@happydogg312a home stereo is going to sound better than the theater? How? These films are mixed specifically for the theater, it’s the ideal environment.
@@happydogg312 lol it happens. I will say that I'm a big proponent of the home theater. I think sound is the most overlooked part of the home viewing experience, but I don't think it can ever be better than going to the movies.
@@happydogg312 Impossible to get that bass at your home. Like no fucking way unless you are a sound nerd and dropped thousands on it
@@happydogg312 that's awesome that you have such a sick setup. It's unfortunate your local theaters don't have their systems in order, but I don't know if it's fair to compare your setup to something that's clearly not working correctly. The other thing that we can't recreate at home is the sheer scale of the theater...especially IMAX. But hey, I totally get it. If I was in your situation it'd be hard to get me to leave too lol.
Hey, what are the movies you used for the video besides dune, jurrasic park, new girl, and jungle cruise. I didn't recognize many of them except for a few marvel ones. They look awesome! Please add a list in your video description. Thank you!!!!!
Dennis Villeneuve is probably my favorite director. He's all about cinematic and a mature audience. He doesn't explain everthing but he shows everything you just have to look close enough. But just the compositons he creates are incredible and truly what cinema should be.
Its so important to actors to have practical sets to work with too. Despite all the advances weve made you'll always get a more genuine performance when the actors can really feel like they are IN the world (and it lifts some burdens from the VFX team too, they can complement and enhance without being expected to hold up the entire film setting on their dwindling time budgets). Every film school teaches not to rely on fixing things in post, proper planning and communication is essential for a production to flow. I'm very much hoping dune's success will help prove this going forward.
Practical sets are better but take time to plan and build
Watching Timothee talk about just walking through a desert, and how it made him feel better as an actor. Is lovely.
Sometimes when I see how Marvel movies are made, where it's literally an entire green room and actors just dressed in mo cal suites, and each "shot" is just them jumping off something or having half a conversation, I feel sorry for them.
How are they supposed to act if they have no idea where they are or what they're meant to be doing? They don't even know what the scene will look like, and don't even have the costumes to even get in character
Thor in multiple clips here looked like he's filmed by a webcam in a business call with a cool background but without green screen.
As someone who read the books, he absolutely made changes. But what he added made sense and kept the plot moving forward. What he took away was nowhere near egregious.
Excellent adaptation.
What i love about dune is just the whole universe and the themes that play in it. Villeneuve changes some of the story but he keeps the themes the same and he really works inside of Herberts world. I remember people scolding Paul for not wearing the mouthpiece of his stillsuit all the time in the desert, but i ubderstand why there is little to no mouthpieces used in the movie, and its okay because the other themes are still there
Yeah.
I don't like comparing Lynch's attempt to Danny's attempt much, but one difference was very clear to me.
When I was watching Lynch's version, I often found myself asking, "Why was it changed and how does it benefit the idea?"
When I was watching Dune pt. 2, I found myself repeatedly nodding. "Yes, it was changed, but I can totally see why."
@@andrewmelnikov292 Agree.
I was totally bamboozled by the use of projectile weapons (guns) which were made redundant with the introduction of shield technology after the Butlerian wars. The whole point of blades is explained in the book "the slow blade penetrates the shield".
(That whole preceding par qualifies me as a geek virgin level 398 btw)
But, it made for amazing cinema and elevated the battle scenes to epic!
Also, the still-suits are just ridiculously inadequate... but hey, awesome cinema.
@@andrewmelnikov292Watched david lynch's dune after the first Dune, felt like a comedy show to me.
@@glenmale1748Tbf it makes sense for the guns. Fremen don't use shields, and I think if I remember right projectiles were used against big and moving targets. Hence also the laser usage.
The look of the stillsuites have a simple reason: you can't act awesome on the screen if you have something in your mouth and are not identifiable at all.
Such quality story inspires everyone. It´s kind of a spirit of quality and passion that takes over everyone involved.
What really blew me away was the use of scale and the color palette. Truly an epic production.
I hope so. I'm hyped for Dune Messiah. Hope they get around to the other books, too.
*SPOILERS* GIVE US THE MEGAWORM
I'm more worried. Those books are even more "unfilmable."
@@pablolacalle6098 *GOD EMPEROR*
I don't know if the modern audience is ready for the later books on film format... especially with Children of Dune.
@@DoctorJammer Messiah can be done, it'll have to be a political thriller with Paul's position as Emperor at stake. Plans within plans to subdue him. I can see it being done in a 2-3 hour film (preferably closer to 3).
People won't be ready to have their perception of Paul and his Ji'had crushed. Learning that they are supporting a villain with the heaviest of crowns. I hope they keep some of the more philosophical lines regarding prescience from Paul. I also hope Scytale, Irulan, Erick and Gaius's conversation in the opening chapter is kept in as the intro to Dune Messiah, it just sets the whole tone for the book.
The entire time while I was watching this movie which is *almost* a masterpiece was, “how did any studio let this be made.”, and I think that itself is telling of Hollywood today.
While I can recognize a lot of the malfeasance that corporate entities contribute to current cinema, what exactly about dune made it seem unmakeable in this corporate environment? I'm ignorant of the details/politics of the industry and I really loved both movies despite knowing nothing about the books, so like what do these execs hate so much? Truly curious bc a lot of people say this but I guess I don't get it bc I just like it?
great analysis!
Dune I & II, as well as The Iron Claw, have given me back my passion for movie going. Love it, more please
Your points reminded me of Doctor Strange Multiverse of Madness. It was so clear when there was a scene that was allowed to be guided by Sam Raimi's vision rather than Marvel's. And those ended up being my favorite parts of the movie.
No offence but how can you even mention that movie in the same sentence as this. They’re not even in the same universe of competence or writing. That movie was probably the worst marvel movie iv watched, but then again I haven’t watched Thor 4 or quite a few of the worse rated ones.
@NakulKrishna I wasn't comparing it to Dune? Or even putting it in the same league? I was only referring to the mention in the video that studios have pretty much quelled a lot of artistic expression from directors and they don't allow them to portray their own aesthetics or visions. It squashes any sort of uniqueness or originality to a project. Doctor Strange MoM was by no means a masterpiece. I was just saying that the best scenes in the movie were ones clearly allowed to carry Sam Raimi's vision. That's it.
@@NakulKrishna Aw. I liked it.
@@NakulKrishna Multiverse was pretty good. It just wasn't about those silly fans theories the "fans" wanted.
@@ShadowSonic2Nah there’s plenty of reasons to dislike it.
I can’t remember which youtuber said this recently, but I agree with them that the solution isn’t better high budget movies, the solution is smaller lower budget films and more of them. From a financial standpoint it actually spreads out the risk by reducing that financial impact and investment of a single failure. On the creative side, more small films will allow more writers and directors to develop their art and style in relative creative freedom, allowing studios to better evaluate who is worth greater investment in future projects.
That youtuber must be pretty uninformed about the current state of the movie industry then. Smaller films are much less profitable than big budget films, because their advertising budget has to be suitably low to their actual budget, and that means it draws much less of an audience to the theater than a big budget movie. With the average consumer only going to the movies once or twice a year, and the profit from streaming after the movie is out of theater being a pittance, more small budget movies would just doom them all to fail. The industry would need to rework to make movies profitable once they leave cinema in order to make any of that possible.
you are probably talking about Critical Drinker, he mentioned it in a video.
There were so many innovative moments (like filming the Arena sequence in Infrared) that completely complemented the scene and made it feel otherworldly and completely fresh - George Romero in Mad Max Fury Road had a similar blending of practical and visual FX that just worked to make a visceral holistic vision and reinforce a mood. I hope we can get more bold and creative projects like you suggest.
We've been Dune fans in my family since 1995. My 10 year old brother was obsessed, he's read every book even the ones written by Fanks son. My brother made his own school project movie...Dune in 5 minutes or less that year. His version was genius and made me get interested in it and then more sci-fi. These films stayed true to the source material and was amazing.
As a VFX artist I am really glad you mentioned that it's better if the VFX "enhances" the vision instead of "substitutes" for it.
When there are many versions on a single shot or asset ( in bigger shows that over measured in 100s ) it often feels like the client doesn't know what he/she wants.
Also what's often the case is that the director is not trusted enough by the studio as they are often "just" hired to direct something but then the studio would like to see things differently
This is the biggest issue with working with clients in any creative media.
I’ve heard a business perspective that supports your point: We should be rewarding spectacular failures more than mediocre successes. In other words, it is better to shoot for the stars, which will invariably result in some complete misfires, because it has the potential for greatness. Whereas mediocre, safe successes are less likely to fail but also have a much lower ceiling
The key difference is that the spectacular failures have a palpable soul; it feels like someone actually cared about the project and hoped it would succeed (rather than trying to forcibly _make_ it succeed). They gave it their all then handed it over to the audience with their fingers crossed.
But these corporate films that are focus-grouped towards supposedly guaranteed success have all the soul systematically drained from them by sackings, rewrites, reshoots, retools that sometimes continue to change things until days before a film's release, because instead of passionate spontaneity the suits want the leeway to alter the film however and whenever they want in response to new "market research" - or as is more often the case, something like one of the non-creative executive's kids telling them that this one thing was cool, so now they HAVE to include it in order to stay "fresh" and "relatable".
If they get lucky and cast a charismatic, likeable actor - someone like Will Smith, Jason Bateman, Denzel Washington, Ryan Reynolds - they can sometimes make it work, but when they're stuck with the likes of Dakota Johnson, Brie Larson, John David Washington or Jared Leto, then the film's total lack of inspiration becomes too blatant to tolerate for 90% of the audience.
Hearing you talk about instant recognition of Dennis Villeneuve style and young directors not getting a chance made me remember about J.J. Abrams. They're the same age and relatively young directors compared to 20+ years older Spielberg and Cameron. How contrasting directions their careers took.
I saw Dune part 2 in a theater, and it was absolutely breathtaking! I'm so glad that I saw it on the big screen with amazing sound.
Villeneuve is a true auteur director in every sense of the term, except for one...
He's not an insufferable tyrant to his cast and crew.
He proves that auteurs can produce game-changing cinema, without being abusive dictators.
That's another lesson Hollywood needs to learn from this master.
His work on Blade Runner 2049 absolutely sold me on him.
Great point. In all his promotional material he seems like just a nice dude
@@muffinman3052 Yeah, and the cast talk up how much they enjoyed making the film. That doesn't happen without a director who likes his staff.
This. I remember I watched a panel with the entire cast of Prisoners, considering how dark the material was, they all were really, really happy.
Yeah, after doing some research on Kubrick, it's gonna be hard to watch and adore his movies.
*Dune: Part Two, as I expected from Denis Villeneuve, was absolutely phenomenal. It’s a movie that reminds me of why I love cinema because it’s all about taking risks, being ambitious and being creative unlike most modern Hollywood where it’s all about making cash-grabs, reboots and unnecessary remakes of classics. It just goes to show the sad and depressing state of modern cinema.*
It’s always been the case
Just people refuse to take off the rose tinted glasses
Villeneuve said that cinema is creating pictures. As simple as that, the cinematography and composition in Dune is superb.
He filmed a book....
@@SWOTHDRA yes the book has a special chapter on how to adapt it being a movie, which artistic choices do, in which ways, how to re tell such a complex story and so on.. come on dude, don't be bittered reducing all of this work in "duh... filming a book ..." , or at least please bring some arguments
@@supermario10033 the story is overhyped , so is the movie. Its not complex at all
waiting for it to be up to buy on prime in my country. I didn't get to cinema, but I watched part 1 at home and it was pretty great. I'll watch the two back to back once it's available
i'm not familiar with the channel, so I thought this was going to be a very different video. I'm glad it wasn't what I thought it would be, and I'm glad I gave it a chance
Havin seen it on IMAX, this is an incredible experience. Im not the biggest fan of Dune, but i am on Denis and his work. Hes pittch perfect for it, a match in heaven.
I saw it in Dolby Cinema. It looked great!
I watched Arrival afterward, for the first time. I'm def a fan of V and I'll be checking out his other works.
@@jadelygem Sicario, Incendies and Blade Runner 2049 are some of his other works worth checking out. All great films IMO.
I saw it first screening on opening day and haven't stopped thinking about it. I'm going back to see it again in an hour. This feels like when Lord of the Rings was out.
Loved it!
3:34 Another commendable aspect of D.V.'s craft is that he is so prepared through the script and storyboard that he doesn't bother shooting much coverage. He knows what shots he want and thus doesn't waste resources on unnecessary shots.
I don't go to the movie theatre often (once every few years), and I haven't had the pull to go more than once for any movie ever. But I'll be going back to watch Dune 2 again. Something about it is primal. The way it is filmed, the colors used, the sound of the score, the threads of stories incorporated, the pace, it all draws you in for a complete experience. The most enjoyable art I have seen on film that I can remember.
I fell in love with Villeneuve with Arrival which i saw three times in cinema. I had soooo much hope that we'd see more quality sci fi movies after this. He did not disappoint, I am now a devoted fan.
Arrival was bonkers. An hour after finishing the film I was still shocked. Truly underrated.
I loved how they handled Fayde Rautha, and Paul's sister in particular. Both were exceedingly well done , and I think the departures or expansions from the book were a plus there.
It's been a long time since I watched a movie that felt like visual art. Both Dune movies did this for me. Something simple like the Harkonnen soldiers taking off with their jetpack(like) things in the beginning of the second movie was filmed in such a poetic way. I really missed this in recent cinema. Everything has to be in your face. Villeneuve put a lot of thought in each of his shots.
Stunning movie. Some of my favorite scenes was paul gaining the respect and admirations from the fremens. Then watching him become a cold and calculated politician when he’s talking to the emperor and stating he will marry his daughter.
If Chani remained in love and devoted to Paul even after that, the ending could have been FAR more impactful. Overall, beautiful looking movie. 9.5/10
I love Dune, I started reading the book before part one came out and just couldn't put it down. It never talked down to the reader, and I think Denis really captured that beautifully. The movies don't spoon feed exposition it weaves it into the story naturally, like the training holograms in the first one. I loved the detail of the desert mouse, knowing the nod to Muad'Did. I think dune pt 1 & 2 will go down as sci-fi classics. I hope Hollywood learns the right lessons here: let go and trust the process.
Seeing Dune in IMAX was amazing. Absolutely worth it
It's not only visuals but also the stories as well, and I think that feeds into this heavier focus in post production too. Needless rewrites and changes are easier to fix in VFX. It's like the studios are just waiting to eject directors and writers from projects, especially if they don't get the story the studio wants.
Dune is my Game of Thrones, my Star Wars and my Lord of the rings! It’s a much needed break from Marvel and DC for me. It’s refreshing and feels like a psychedelic dream, thrusted into the far possible future.
Dune is my Lord of the Rings, and Lord of the Rings. In my opinion the movie trilogies that they spawned are the best adaptations of epics ever. It's so evident how much they respect and understand the source material.
Dune could be the next The Lord of the Rings.
100%
I don’t think it’ll ever reach the audience of those movies, but among the book audience it’s already considered space LoTR
Lord of the Dunes
Heresy.
Be done with this bungalar.
I just watched both on consecutive nights, and totally enjoyed them. I easily became engrossed and emotionally involved. Kudos,
I had to keep taking peeps at the time, because it felt like they were fitting so much in, without it feeling rushed or choppy, that I thought it was going to end sooner than it did.
That baffles me that someone could be "hit or miss Villeneuve" with Prisoners, Sicario, Arrival, 2049, and Dune 1 and 2, he has been on an unrivaled modern hot streak. No other director right now has made that many EXCELLENT films in a row, not even Nolan
Hit or Miss in terms of how profitable his movies are, not the quality of the movies themselves.
@@ShadowSonic2 Captain Midnight definitely made it seem like he was talking about quality
I'd like to add how much I love Schwarzenegger's Conan and how well its aged because of its huge amount of practical work. The few shoddy CGI scenes could be fixed in a week for a remaster.
I just rewatched that last week! Funny you should mention it, and agreed.
CGI scenes in Conan the Barbarian (1982)?
@@lennynero635 maybe not CGI, let's call them SFX I'm thinking of the spirits trying to take Conan whilst Valaria holds him down & fights them off.
Was a great experience I am glad I got to see it in theaters
Dune 2 could be even better. You conveyed your point(s) of view well, I enjoyed watching and listening (it was hard not to get distracted by the visuals....had to rewind a lot, maybe cause I had the subs on, or my mind's distracted at the moment...........) +1 sub.
Seeing Dune Part 2 again tomorrow. My buddy missed it opening weekend, so I'm taking him to see it in IMAX. Hope we get part 3 soon D:
Maybe in a few years. Denis says he needs to make something else before coming back to the DUNE universe.
Watching it in IMAX was really something else. The movie is beautiful, sure, but holy shit it sounds incredible. The soundtrack and sound effects are out of this world.
Ant Man 3 will keep being brought up for the next decade on how half-assed it feels. Cannot wait for Dune: Messiah.
Agreed. Antman 3 feels like the "Hello Dolly" of the MCU (although that might better fit The Marvels).
I liked it, it felt more like an ant man movie aka the original ant man and then kang, but yes marvels worse, she hulk worse, loki alright, secret invasion meh
I loved Dune 1&2 so much I have watched 1 multiple times and intend to do the same with 2. I also now want to read the books
I'm a fan of the books and I loved these movies. I'm extremely interested to see how they handle the next books and movies.
Dune Part Two is my favorite sci-fi movie of all time. It has amazing action, characters, score, performances, sound design and some of the best cinematography I’ve ever seen in a movie.
Star Wars is Sci Fi like Dr. Pepper is a doctor
@@Zoroasterisk Would I be the sci-fi fan I am today without the infatuation I developed for Star Wars when I was a kid? Probably not.
@@simongravel7407possibly not. But I would ask you to consider re-watching ANY star wars film soon after taking in this masterpiece of filmmaking. I did, and the stark contrast in just all filmmaking facets, really, in hindsight, shows how blessed we are to have Villeneuve at the helm and forefront of the sci-fi film genre this era.
@@simongravel7407yk what is cool fun fact tbh it might be really known but I didn’t until like a few days😭💀but Star Wars is inspired by the dune books.
I’d like a gene Wolfe movie next 😊
I hope Denis Villeneuve gets to direct RENDEZVOUS WITH RAMA
Because he's perfect
Pretty sure he’s already attached to it
There's a chance it may even come out before Dune 3, since it might be further along, but remains to be seen.
@@Overcroxin an interview Denis mentioned he wanted to give some time to Timothee and Zendaya to "age up" a bit, so I think that may be likely if he follows through with Rama
@@duvetboa he also said he’s going to do 1 or 2 movies before it
@@duvetboa Will they ? I mean, they are already a full decade older than the characters, are they really going to change significantly at this point ? Chalamet was perfect to play teenager Paul, but I have a really difficult time imagining him as adult Paul at any point in his life.
As a massive fan of the Dune novels and lore, I was blown away at how beautiful this movie was. I am very aware of how complicated the plot really is, but this movie brings it to life without losing too much.
The last time I felt like I felt at screening for Dune 2 was when I was a kid and seeing Lord of the Rings from the big screen for the first time. It was that moment when you realized in the movies that you were truly seeing something bigger than anything you ever expected, something that would shape a generation of moviegoers and influence scores of young film makers. It was truly cinema.
I LOVE that you immediately mentioned Lord of the Rings and Pirates of the Carribean, because those are the exact same comparisons I drew in my head watching both Dune and then Dune 2. It feels like it's been some time since we had something new release on that scale in the fantasy/sci-fi genre. I'm so glad we got it here with a rather faithful adaptation of a literary classic, it gives me hope going forward that someday, we may be given equally impressive adaptations of other classic tales. I for one could go for a faithful movie adaptation of The Wheel of Time or any number of Brandon Sandersons works.
I had such high expectations for it because part 1 became one of my favorite sci fi films of all time. Initially I didn’t think it was as good as part 1 but the longer I’ve sat with it the more I realize how much I enjoyed it. It’s one of those films you could watch for another 2 hours and still be fully engaged.
Just saw it a second time last night. It's not as good as the first (part 1 was really frugal with its dialogue), but it's absolutely leagues better than anything I've seen in the theaters since part 1.
I was on the edge of my seat the whole time watching..... This movie was needed especially in this day and age.