AMD Zen 5 Delivers - Big IPC Gains, Extended AM5 Platform Support, X870
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00:00 - Welcome to Hardware Unboxed
01:45 - AMD Ryzen 9000 Zen 5 Details
08:40 - AM5 Platform Support Extended
10:46 - X870 and X870E Announced
13:14 - Ryzen AI 300 Series Stuff
17:12 - Outro
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AMD Zen 5 Delivers - Big IPC Gains, Extended AM5 Platform Support
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cant wait to upgrade my i9 9900k to r9 9900x, its just 2 letters
I still have 9900k. I play all games at 1440p with rtx 4070ti super.
Yes, but your new letter will be "X", the fastest letter for gaming!!!
wait a bit more and get the X3D variant.
yeah but what about r9 9900x3d
I'd suggest you wait for the x3D
time to wait for 9800X3D launch
Same
I love my 7800X3D, so my test bench will be a 9800X3D.
When is it coming
Yessir gonna go from a 5900x to 9800x 3d 🔥
Ditto!
Would love if they released a 7600X3D at like $250. That would be gas
AM5 lifetime extension is massive, well done AMD...
But it doesn't mean much. AM4 is still supported. They still bring out new CPU's for AM4, just not faster ones.
@@nossy232323that's cause a lot of people still buy am4 stuff cause the chips are cheap. Even in amazon the x3d models are usually top sellers with 500-1000+ units per month.
@@nossy232323it’s massive because that situation will happen again next socket iteration. People are going to get massive value from AM5.
@@nossy232323the 5700x3d would be a huge upgrade to a 3600x or a 3700x. Allowing an upgrade path for early adopters is a major win
@@nossy232323it means a lot to people like me who bought into AM5 and can rest easy knowing we'll not have to replace our boards any time soon
Gonna wait for the X3D models.
Obviously.
This is AMD for you.. nobody care about X series or their AI junk. Had they put the tech that goes into their "Instink" AI platform (HBM2 memory), alongside the 7900XTX and kept it roughly the same price as the current RX7900XTX... maybe $100-200 more.. the RTX4080 / 4090 would be toast, Nvidia's sales would be affected and provide inroads to AI, instead of trying to take a rubber dingy, to float against the ocean of AI, where the molecular landscape is 98% all Nvidia.. maybe they'd be selling GPU's and making sales, instead of being charitable offerings made by ISVs.. as an act of good faith, or wrapped up in terms to get deals on EPYCs new range.. just a thought!
@@mrhassell I don't know how to break this to you, but a GPU with HBM would not be roughly the same price lol
@@mrhassell Gaming GPU sales are irrelevant for both AMD and NVIDIA overall business. Apart from that 100% agree with you, X series cpu have no real place and they keep forcing them
And B850 chipset
Can't wait for the 9800X3D to launch. 😎
Same, hoping it's a massive improvement over a 5800X
Hope the vacations were good,because Steve is gonna get a whole load of work to do.
*Puts on Scouter*
IT'S OVER 9000!!!!!
That would've been a great advertisement amd missed their chance XD
@@ningensan8198 yeah, they could've codenamed them 'Vegeta' but they didn't have the balls
WHAT?! 9000?! THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE!
Kinda weird that they didn't announce pricing. Specially when those chips are basically launching next month.
No need to give Intel more intel to use against them later
@@punishthemeatpocket Intel wants intel lol
@DragonOfTheMortalKombat they are going to need it after the last few earnings calls...
@@punishthemeatpocket I mean, AMD are releasing these next month, they're gonna have to announce prices obviously. There's no point in hiding pricing now for some competitive benefit when Intel's new stuff is coming later. They probably just haven't finalized their pricing choices yet.
because the prices will be horrible (really high) at first, and then lowered later after intel launches@@maynardburger
Seeing the AM4 chart is a shock, AM4 came out in 2016 and still getting refreshed CPU's today 8 years later.
Now I feel old.
Yeah, let's start to look for a nursing home that allows us to put a gaming rig on the room.
AM4 the goat platform
The single reason Intel was always changing sockets each CPU family, was to force people to upgrade CPU and motherboard, there's was no real hardware limitation reason for it.
And there's no real deep reason for AMD to lock some CPU's to the new AM5 socket as well, they do it, because they really want people to get out of AM4.
And I have no doubt that they will copy Intel eventually, when they get enough market share and power and so will start killing their sockets sonner.
@@Argoon1981 _"And there's no real deep reason for AMD to lock some CPU's to the new AM5 socket as well, they do it, because they really want people to get out of AM4. "_
Well that is entirely not true, as AM4 does not support DDR 5, nor does it support PCIE 5.0. So there are some real reasons for AM5 to exist, not to mention I'm not sure AM4 was designed for a PPT of 230w, which is what AM5 allows.
_"And I have no doubt that they will copy Intel eventually, when they get enough market share and power and so will start killing their sockets sonner."_
I am not sure it will get to that point, but one never knows. We also have to remember that these mega corporations are in it to make money, not to be generous to its customer base. It is nice when they support user loyalty, but that doesn't always grow a company or more importantly pay the bills.
@@Argoon1981 how do you plan on them upgrading Am4 to a DDR5 platform
Once Intel releases their next gen CPU's this year, I have a feeling AMD will counter them with newer 3D V-Cache CPU's😁
lol
Is it that transparent? In the meantime many peeps will get a non x3D then move to the 9800X3D when it comes out, meaning multiple sales for AMD.
@@gymnastchannel7372 They probably will do that. I did that myself, 3700x, 5800x, now 5800X3D. AMD is killing it with keeping AM4 alive, going on 7+yrs, crazy. 😎
@@gymnastchannel7372i did exactly this lmao, bought a 7600X then switched to the 7800X3D after it launched about 5 months later - this was intentional the 7600X was just a placeholder
Dude AMD doesnt counter anything they have like 0,2% of marketshare xD is not even a contest. Comparing AMD to intel is like comparing your local store to walmart in sales.
Man, my AM4 is still rocking R5 5600 with 1080Ti. My path is still looooong.
Godlike build with legendary parts, solid W
Same bro I only feel like upgrading now that im at 3440x1440 resolution, they got me good
I had 5600x with 1070, went to 3080 3ish years ago and I'm still good for a bit
R5 5600 and 6700 XT here, for Pop OS with Steam and GOG (and a secondary box with an i7 3770 (4C/4T) and a 750 Ti for Windows XP ^^)
@@anodyneliniment2326stop the cap
The Ryzen AI 300 comes from two factors:
1. The Ryzen 7040 is considered the first generation of AI processors, and the Ryzen 8040 series is considered the second generation.
2. As you mentioned, 300 is a higher number than the Intel Core Ultra 200 Lunar Lake processors.
*B I G G E R N U M B E R*
Yeah, that seemed uninformed criticism. Which has to be taken into account - what customer actually informs himself that much before?
bigger number bigger better
better bigger number number better bigger
The 3rd gen AI AMD is my favorite 2024 marketing lore with already released prequels. They should call it "AI Trilogy+."
they said AI 160 times........
Welcome to the next few gen of pc parts. All you will hear is about ai and ai advancement which will be the focus over actual raw performance.
I was gonna suggest a drinking game but damn, might have been deadly
and I said ay ay ay :-(
Bigger number means bigger better.
Who doesn't at this point? Like seriously, if you are in software, it's a bigger buzzword than crypto. And y'all saw how crypto, mining and blockchain were in our ears 24/7.
I feel for the devs. Most find it "cool", but not a must, nor useful. Yet you have to jump on-board or the "market" will punish you. (But the public isn't as enthused soooo...)
The extended platform support announcement -- that is reassuring. Also, performance gains based on ipc improvements and no tdp increase (and an actual decrease in some chips) is a nice upgrade. I do agree it is slightly odd that there is no clock speed increase, even at the high end. Maybe that would have required an increase in power, and we know how much AMD loves to talk about its efficiency compared to Intel (and rightly so). Long story short is - it is a fine upgrade. It is far from a must-buy, but hey, if you're building a new system there is now even more of a reason to choose AMD and AM5. So it could have been worse, that is for sure.
It's like the old Intel Pentium and Core Quad days they hit a 4ghz wall and now both companies are hitting a 6ghz wall.
As we have seen with Intels top end, when they try to put the power draw and therefore heat goes insane
They could probably have pushed one or two hundred mhz for 50% more power or something, I like upgrades like this per gen but I'll buy about every third gen
This is a i5/i7 2000k/3000k series move: although the chips might be capable of an higher clock... why push it when you don't need to?! Might as well save the clock increase to boost the performance of your next architecture, and meanwhile market the efficiency over the competition... (I myself thought they would increase the clock slightly for marketing purpose, but apparently they chose another strategy)
They might save the higher clockspeeds for later, more expensive enthusiast versions of the 9000 series, depending on what Intel comes out with later this year. It's a viable strategy when you're ahead and releasing before your competitor does.
I just built a 4K 7800x3D rig and am satisfied. I'll wait for Zen 6 x3d for my future 5090+
I'm sure ryzen 7 7800x3d can be compatible for 5080 and 5090
I got 7950x3d on launch and its getting old need the 9950x3d asap
Can someone tell me if from this video we expect 9800 x3D to use even less power than 7800 X3D?
@@viking9442yes, likely
@@viking9442 Well we can't know for sure but most likely yes.
I just built a 7800X3D and 7900XT system and I'm very happy. I figured why wait as I was on a Zen 2 system and was ready to move on.
What you got the amd gpu? U need the 5080 asap once it's out
I'm on Phenom II X4 965 and waiting. My time has not come yet :D. I suspect at Zen 6 i will pull the trigger.
@@Teletha No he won't, 7900xt is a great card
@@mrthegrievous Then when Zen 6 comes out, you will say "I will pull the trigger when Zen 7 comes out", what are you trying to achieve with this stupid mentality?
Omg , I really think this time there's a chance we can play Crysis !
Wake me up when 9800X3D 😴
How about a 9950X3D with 3D cache on both dies this time.
@@Knowbody42there’s no point lmao
It'll be 13% to 15% faster than the 7800x3D. The 9700x looks to only be 13-15% faster than a 7700x in gaming. Might as well not wait a year for a $449 CPU that is 13% faster than a 7800x3D now. Or just wait for Zen6.
@@Knowbody42 I honestly hope that Ryzen 9000 is the last gen to have X3D chips and they should just be 3D by default on all chips. It's stupid to have 2 types of every chip still.
@@eugkra33 I feel like 7950X3D is gonna drop in price and be a best seller. Not much compelling people to buy these chips, when they’re going to be more expensive and only 16% faster during best case scenario
I do miss your laptop coverage. You were one of the few to actually cover the space.
I used to miss it, too, but Jarrod's Tech is my go-to channel for laptops nowadays.
Yep
i dont, his monitor content is so much more valuable in my opinion
This is actual news though in the desktop space
Didn't mean only do laptops. They did both in the past.
Hopefully the 9800X3D will come out before the end of the year with the new gpus, after upgrading to the 5800X3D I simply cannot go back to a cpu without that 3D v-cache.
Hopefully AM5 boards will get the same supports longevity as AM4.
Well we Know intel’s won’t so amd is a safer bet in that regard.
@@bobh9492 I wouldn't bet much on that, AMD was forced to keep AM4 socket alive, because their market share was way smaller than Intel, but as their market share gets larger and larger, they may risk killing the sockets sonner (for profit reasons only btw).
The fact they didn't mention Zen 6 makes me worried it will just be refreshes
I think that am5 use bigger bios so support is easier than those small size bios am4 boards that were in unknown space for a while.
We obviously need to wait for a 9800X part, but 65W for a 9700X part seems insane. The Intel competitor to the Ryzen 7 7700X is probably the 14700K, and that is a 125 W (Processor Base Power)/253W (Maximum Turbo Power) part.
Makes you wonder what they'll be able to do on mobile.
There's really nothing insane about it. Zen 4 parts were always capable of running with near minimal loss in performance scaling down to 65w for the 8 core part. Actual architectural efficiency with Zen 5 seems to have improved negligibly, so they're just taking advantage of the small improvements from N5 to N4. EDIT: Intel parts are also capable of still running well at lower power draw as well, they're just squeezing every last drop of clockspeed out of them, plus they're still a node generation behind. That'll change later this year.
@@maynardburger 10-35% with the same clockspeed is negligble? damn I'd hate to see your response to intels 4-5% gains they used to give you
The i7 usually really competes with the lower r9, a propper comparison would be the i5 vs r7, since the single and multicore performance is more similar than the i7.
AM5 2027+, very nice lifespan.
But like he said that does not mean any new CPU's on the current platform.
@@rooster1012It pretty much confirms zen 6 on the platform.
@@GeneralS1mbaIt doesn't confirm that at all. It confirms that chips of some kind will still be sold for AM5 in 2027, just as chips are still sold for AM4 today. They have said nothing about Zen 6 for AM5.
@@Nick_R_ Zero chance Zen 6 would not be on am5.
Even zen 7 has a low chance to still be on it.
@@Nick_R_ There's no way they announced 3 more years of support just to releases Ryzen 5 9600 xts. Much more likely to be zen 6 as well as that stuff.
Looking forward to upgrading from my 13700k. I’m tired of running a space heater under my desk.
Aside from this great video. I love the hoodie design.
Looking good for when I finally upgrade my 2700 in about two or three cpu releases time.
Nice highlighting, like the style :>
Thank you, Tim, for the Computex update!
Well, i will wait just before prices start to go up in preparation for black Friday "sales/ripoffs" here in the EU and probably have to get a 7950x3d then. This one will be affordable by then and likely a nice price/performance choice compaired to a new released CPU. Have fun there and enjoy the restaurants !!!
It is clever that AMD renamed/turned their non-X 65W chips into X and did away with the normal 105W X. In hot summer days, a 65W processor is a little tempting, similar to low TDP GPUs, Now if the prices match the non-X, they'll really look attractive.
I like your PRONUNCIATION:)
Seems good enough.
I'll be waiting for X3D parts, maybe they'll find a way to put cache in both CCDS without performance or heat penalty as much as it used to.
9:36 The Ryzen 7 5800X3D was released in 2022 (like 6 months before zen4) not 2021.
I’m all on board for the AM4 platform to live on with their XT lineup, especially the 5900XT. Though the pricing has to be noticeably lower than their current lineup for people to actually buy them
14:35 - It's the 3rd gen of AI processors because Phoenix and Hawk Point processors came with NPU's in them (rated at around 10 and 16 TOPs each). So 7000 series was 1st Gen and 8000 series was 2nd gen.
Maybe in 2027-28 I'll upgrade my 7800X3D with Zen6 based X3D part. My X670E board is really good/high quality, and would hopefully last me a long time.
My msi x670e mobo broke in 5 months. :( thankfully I got it repaired under warranty
Gonna upgrade from my i5-7500 to r9 9950x :)
If you mostly play games the R9 9800X3D would be much better.
You are going to notice a huge difference. Good choice
Similar here, r7 9700x seems like a good jump from my old 7500.
I was expecting you to get up from desk with a suitcase and walk off. 😄
Aight imma head out 😂
Super excited to see that am4 is still getting new CPUs and cant wait to see the new 9000 chips. Ive been running the 7800x3d for the last year and have loved it. Im not sure if ill upgrade this time around or not.
Probably not worth it if you already have 7800x3d tbh
@@wasd____ and I'm gaming at 4k. So unless a 5090 bottlenecks a 7800x3d I'll probably just stick with it. But who knows. If I get in to other stuff besides gaming. It may be working stepping up to a 12/16 core.
So glad I got my AM5 plattform wirh 7800X3D since 3 weeks. Happy to see years of new CPUs of my plattform especially X3D CPUs ❤ 10800X3D will be my next one
I built a PC with a 7000 series processor back in November but I can’t say that I’m jealous because with AMD they always have to work the kinks out. It’s best to wait 3 to 6 months. Also, they are deploying the X 3-D variants later on.
Platform kinks are the main issue. We're beyond that by now.
you're never beyond that with AMD. Intel is just as shitty these days quality wise, but at least their boards are stable
@@toseltreps1101 Yes AMD is just not as technically proficient as Intel or Nvidia.
Intel recently disproves your claim, the one with baseline profiles versus extreme. It's causing issues with stability a year or two on for users, specifically in relation to Tekken 8 and shader compilation.
I get the point though that they are more stable than AMD. The mighty Intel has definitely fallen over the last 5 years though
These CPU will be crazy good PS3 emulators
Maybe some day Sony will include PS3 emulation in their future consoles.
Although I don't know why they haven't done PS1/PS2 emulation. You can run PS1 games on a potato, and PS2 games on mediocre hardware.
Because it's a way for them to sell their cancerous PS1/PS2 through their PlayStation+ Premium tier. Super fucking scummy instead of just selling PS1/2 games in a bulk pack@@Knowbody42
@@Knowbody42 ps2 needs 3 potatoes in series
@@didamnesia3575I think hooking them up in parallel would significant improve pflops (potato flops)
My man.... 👍
What would you say was the best (money no object) 65w am5 processor? This or the epyc server parts announced recently? For my server build.
I'm waiting for the 3D Vcache. Thanks. Until them, my 7900x is will remain.
Seeing power usage (tdp) go down is a breath of fresh air
You were always able to run these CPU's at lower power draw if you wanted. How do people not understand this? Zen 4 even had a specific 65w setting already. They're just making that standard here.
@@maynardburger why do you assume people didn't understand this? A lower tdp and same or better specs means a more efficient chip. And chips with 65w normal tdp often have a 35w mode. And there is a minimum below which the chip won't work and it's likely lower here.
@@staxofpax1430 guess what? the 7000 series could be limited to 35w if you wanted too as well
I'm looking forward to a comparison with the Ryzen™ 9 7950x3D
14:32 it is the 3rd series of chips AMD has launched with NPUs, the previous are the 7040s and the 8040s. The name change is bit weird and jarring, but it is the 3rd
I would hazard a guess that the X3D versions will add another 10%-15% on top of the ~16% they claimed here or more with the faster interconnect as that's one of the limiting areas for the 3D V-cache if iirc. Also, I'm pestered that the easy name of 5945X wasn't used? It's a 100 MHz down-clock of the 5950X. This was such an easy hand off and fumbled anyways. AMD has a decade's worth of products with 12 cores following a scheme of _900X, but a re-baked Zen3 5900XT has 16 cores... why??
I can see two reasons:
1. They do not plan or introducing 5950XT for AM4, but they still wanted to release a faster 16c/32t now.
2. They DO plan on releasing 5950X3D or something like that and thus wanted to keep the 5950XT/X3D name in reserve.
3. Marketing department stupid...
so glad I picked a Asrock B650e Taichi Lite. basically all x870e features lmao
The one thing that interests me is USB4. Finally, you can use Thunderbolt devices on more than a couple of specific boards.
My x670e even has usb4.
I would love to see you putting it to task with a really cpu heavy game like late game Victoria 3. It has a tendency to get a bit laggy on my 5600x due to all the little details it had to keep track of
I'll be interested when the x3d model's release
They are releasing 2 new am4 cpu also which is crazy.
They're not really new, so not that crazy.
lets talk more about A.I. and just how much money we're going to make.
I just bought a leather jacket, paid for by nvidia stock. Thanks Jensen!
@@colemin2Thanks Steve
o basically buy the tock not the cpus....then use the money to buy cpu
What's this A.I. a new rapper?
@@ThmsDouglas Artificial Idiocy
Can't wait to see Tim and Steve video from the night market!
thanks Guys.
I predict AM6 will land whenever AMD is ready to ship DDR6 CPUs, and that socket will get new architectures while AM5 only gets refreshes of the latest DDR5 architecture that they made.
Expectations are 2026 for DDR6, so consumer platforms in 2027 maybe.
Waiting for that X3D, never got a 3D cache chip before
you wont regret it
I have a 7950X3D and going to wait for benchmarks to come out before deciding to get a 9950X or not. If it's barely any difference then I'll hold off until the 9950X3D releases.
I am, however, going to upgrade my 4090 to 5090 when that comes out hopefully this year.
Wow: I'm impressed! I really love that they support am5 that long. Makes upgrades so much easier. Now you can just upgrade a few parts instead of replacing everything. One of the best benefits of the Ryzen platform in my opinion :)
10 to 20% performance gain in normal workloads (cherry picked numbers too) isn't all that exciting to be honest. Not when everything else is functionally identical to Zen 4. The only 9000 series chip that makes any sense is the 9950x for the fastest multithreaded performance you can get on desktop. Otherwise you're better off with a 7950x/x3d or a 7800x3d. The 7950s will be faster than the 9900x in gaming and productivity, and the 7800x3d should still be the fastest gaming chip overall, at least until the 9000x3d chips come.
So what really improved was a few applications due to avx512 improvements. The rest is just an average uplift...
Maybe, although I think some potential support for 8000MHz RAM on the X3D model from the 9000 series will allow the Zen 5 series in a much better light.
@gymnastchannel7372 you're wrong, 6000 will still be better than 8000 memory on amd due to design of.cpu
X3D benefits tend to be a lot more game-dependent than standard architectural uplifts. So it's a trade off of wanting moderately better performance in everything, or greater gains for more select titles with less gains in others. No right/wrong answer here, it will just depend on the person and what sorts of games they like to play. I play a broad spectrum of games, so would probably be happier to take the more general gain over more select gains.
I'm always baffled by AMD's naming schemes
Because they jumped to 9000? Everything is as it usually is for Ryzen. 600 is 6 cores, 700-800 is 8 cores, 900 is 12 cores and 950 is 16 cores.
They've also skipped even numbers for a while now: 4000, 6000 and 8000 are used for other things than standard desktop chips.
@@exscapethere is a 4000 and a 8000 series specifically the G series so they didn’t skip but they do skipped the 6000 naming scheme tho. I wondered if it’s too confusing when their GPU department have the 6000 series
I've gotten a better handle at the chips at this point, it's the motherboards that bother me a lot more. 😵💫
@@exscape, their CPUs skip series on desktop/mobile and don't line up with the architectural generation. We should be on Ryzen 6000 on desktop, not 9000. Also, the chipsets skipped from 600 to 800?
The mobile naming scheme is a complete, confusing mess. Why were they named by release year instead of architecture generation? And now they have this AI naming scheme...
They just seem to copy Intel and NVIDIA, and then play the 'bigger number = better' game.
Also, now we have a 5900XT that's 16 cores? That's weird, and breaks the norm you mentioned for Ryzen.
@@exscapeno because of AI 300 rebranding, X870 coming after the X670. Many misleading names
Hopefully X3D will launch by CES. I'll wait for that.
My B650E-I mobo already has PCIe and NVMe gen 5.0 support, so the only real advantage to an upgraded shipset at this point is USB 4? Can't I do that with a PCIe host adapter?
Wow that speed
still better than Monitor naming
No mention of RAM "sweet spot"? with the 9000 series? is it the same or higher?
I'm kinda in the market for a new gaming PC atm, and I'm more interested in the next gen motherboards than than the CPU's right now. I see myself having to use multiple (smaller+cheaper, but still fast) nvme drives which current motherboards seem to be a bit iffy with. Will next gen boards be any better, or is it as much a limitation of the CPU (PCIE lanes) as the board? Any differences with Zen 5 if so? What would a combination of X870E+7800X3D be like? Would it be bottlenecked?
will wait for the x3d ones whereby the rumoured 9950x3d both CCD are x3ds
If that's the case, I may upgrade after all. I was gonna wait for zen6.
Not this again, two 3d ccds don't make any sense and I really doubt that they will do it
Why would you want that? With project lasso you can make the 7950x3d run games with the X3d CCD and allow the other ccd to run background tasks
@@riba2233 I only want this if I get full boost and 3d vcache. They should figure it out eventually. Nobody wants to use process lasso.
What both on 3d cache? That's crazy, but kinda makes sense if they managed to lower the wattage it might be on same wattage as 7950x3d but with double the cache, but wonder how the clocks are. And games won't really be using that much cpus. But if they have good clocks it won't matter
performance looks kinda meh tbh
Will the new 9000 series enable the Copilot + feature/certification in Win 11?
Regarding your sponsor.. I just installed one on my 6800XT with a waterblock, and its excellent so far. Tricky part was installing it, hoping it didnt slide around when putting it together. I'm just happy I potentially never have to reapply paste again and temps are good.
To say Arrow Lake has some serious competition ahead of it would be an understatement.
On power efficiency yes. But ipc wise. If raptor lake refresh wasn’t significantly behind and the ipc gain is only 16 percent avg…
I was hoping zen5 was a higher amount. Still may jump from zen3 to zen 5 x3d when it comes. 😊
@@justin837 Intel should be making a pretty huge leap in terms of power efficiency potential. They're going to go from a node generation behind AMD to at least matching them. It's all just a matter of how much they want to push their chips out-the-box. There is nothing stopping them from releasing 65w TDP chips if they wanted to.
Thats true. I do think Arrow Lake will be extremely powerful (I mean let's be real, if Arrow Lake flops like 14th Gen, Intel is basically doomed), and considering the amount of changes Intel is making with Arrow Lake compared to Raptor Lake, I feel that it would actually be easier for Arrow Lake to beat Zen 5 than for Arrow Lake to flop worse than 14th gen.
@@maynardburger amd is still going to be on 4 nm and intel is using 3. And intel may drop Tdp from 253 to 180-200. But Amd dropped 2 processors that used to be 105-110 to 65 watts.
Very...mid to low hype. If the pricing is low, why not
Pricing is supposed to be the same as Zen 4 at launch. So not very low at all.
big IPC gains but no clock speed gains because 4nm is not much change from 5nm. In the end, Arrow Lake looks more potent
still rockin my 7600x and loving it
welcome back to Hardware Unreleased.
Why don't they just cut to the chase, and name them the Ryzen AI 999999BiggerNumberBetterSuckItIntel
AMD 9800xSCRWINTL edition, wish they were at each others throats publicly just talking mad trash to each other idk why but I would love that lol. Like they need to hire a new type of public relations where during the job interview you're tested on just how good your "yo momma" jokes are.
They need that name for the next release!
not too far from my 7500F, will wait for zen6
Can’t wait until current price drops! And x670e bundle deals!
I got my x670-e for $700 a year ago
Maybe this is an unpopular take, but I like the new processor naming for the AI APU lineup. I like the older naming if it is either for the actual monolithic (or usable iGPU) parts only or for the desktop turned laptop parts only, but instead they used on both product, thus you have something like R9 7840H part which is totally different than R9 7845HX part. Not sure how they will introduce the desktop turned laptop parts for Zen5, but hopefully it will use different naming scheme or simply use the old one or better yet, match the desktop one!
The key thing is that as long as bigger number = bigger APU then it is fine. With Intel, 165U is not simply a more power efficient version of 165H but basically totally different APU. The U line is different than the H line. The top U line, which is 165U only have 2P cores while even the 125H have 4P cores.
Basically if AMD come up with 370 U, it better be the same CPU as 370 HX but simply optimized and binned better for lower power consumption.
Also while starting from 300 series probably mainly because they want to one up Intel, but at least the logic is there where Phoenix is their "100" series and Hawk Point is their "200" series in their AI APU lineup.
Personally, I absolutely disagree with this comment, but I respect your opinion.
It seems like they didn't care about the gaming section at all, it was just 5 minutes of them saying "16% faster anyway lets get to the real thing: AI"
they'll probably save going into gaming benchmarks when they get the X3D variants out. Maybe they also some more info on release of these, the presentation was generally not very indepth with benchmarks, gaming or productivity.
Definitely. Could've showed strix point in action or something. I guess copilot+ was more important..
@@Hugh_I There's gonna be nothing especially interesting with the X3D stuff. It's just gonna be base Zen 5 performance, plus the entirely normal X3D uplift, like always. Reality is that Zen 5 is simply not a very gaming-prioritized release. No clockspeed gains, modest IPC gains for gaming.
Of course they cared more about AI because that's where the money is. I like AMD, but don't think they are your friend or something.
But also, GPUs are where the gaming performance uplifts happen these days. CPUs play a minor role unless you are upgrading from a multiple generation old CPU.
I just upgraded my intel system to AM5 (Ryzen 7700). Not really keen on Zen 5 as the improvements may not be overwhelming. Have to wait for Zen 6 if it is still compatible with AM5.
Dang, I was just about to get into am5 with a decent mid-high end motherboard and this just makes me want it sooner.
Extending it to 2027 is an extremely big deal specially for people who dont wanna go through the trouble of reinstalling windows and moving all the stuff with it.
it's not a big deal at all tho... if your performance requirements change so drastically within 3 years you'll probably upgrade the entire System
Hardware Unboxed AMD Zen 5 video - sponsored by Nvidia.
Nvidia has no beef with AMDs CPU division
And with Intel's entry into discrete GPUs, there's no consumer CPU that's not from a "competitor". So they really have no choice unless they avoid all content that mentions CPUs at all.
It's CPU not GPU.
amd using their sponsor money on linus atm. 5000 dollar pc upgrades for all the employees so they can make videos
10% IPC UPLIFT OVER LAST GENERATION LET'S GOOOOO
It's 16% on avg for the benchmarks AMD showed
People get excited about 11% these days?
@@evila9076 This is the lower end. Meaning every workload should see 11%, with most seeing more. Let's call it a "baseline"...
Oh and has Intel delivered 11% or have they actually lost 11%...
@@Hugh_I @Raivo_K no it's 16% average thanks to avx 512 workloads and cherry picked benchmarks.
You aren't gonna see any higher than 11% that often.
@@evila9076 From HUBs own day 1 benchmark of the 7800X3D its about 16% faster than a 7600X using a 4090 at 1080p
So the 9600X on average 4% slower, when using a 4090 at 1080p. Now imagine that at 1440p/ultrawide 1440p
You not seeing a difference when you would on say a 5600
I literally was planning to buy a 7700x build in two weeks. F8nally settled on the board and ram combo. Then this drops.
On the bright side, your motherboard and ram will still work
Can't wait to get am5's last chip just like I did with am4
But you didn't as evidenced by AMD announcing 5800XT and 5900XT. Im on 5800X3D myself.
Immediately bought an am5 board after watching the keynote. Rip my h610, you wont be missed.
Prob should have waited for a X870e board but AM5 is a solid move regardless, congrats
@@wasd____ bruh, my h610m cost me like $65 bucks. I'm not going to buy a $400 board.
@ilovelimpfries just make sure your board isn't going to throttle your cpu due to lack of power.
@@ilovelimpfries I get it, but $65 board is going to absolutely kneecap your CPU. Good power delivery is something you only really get by paying for it on a good board. And if you're only buying a super cheap CPU where it doesn't matter, then I don't really get why the 9000 series or AM5 being extended as a platform would matter because you could just get the same performance on some existing cheapish CPU already?
@@ilovelimpfries my x670e was $1000 and worth every penny.
Wow, 18 minute video right after AMD announced it.
There are editing costs, though. It was important to note that the high core counts didn't get a clock boost, so it was said twice, one after the other.
this was pre-recorded. nothing new.
@@shirgall LOL!!!!
14:35 It's because it's the third Ryzen Mobile generation with a built in NPU for HW AI acceleration. Phoenix (10 TOPS), Hawk Point (16 TOPS), and Strix Point (50 TOPS). Three generations. 🤷
I want to fully upgrade my system going from AM4 to AM5 (I'm still rocking a 5600x with a 1080ti).
Is it smart to go 7800x3D now or wait for the 9800x3D?
I would upgrade to the 5800x3D but i have to upgrade my ram too so i'd better fully upgrade my system i guess.
I'll await your 9700X vs 7800X3D review. Let's see if IPC + maybe some clock gains can beat X3D.
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I bet you the 7800x3d will beat the 9950x
I don’t. The 9950X got a healthy cache upgrade over the last gen
@@davidburk4546 2x32mb l3 +16x1mb l2 =80mb..... same as zen4.
nah, prolly not. I think that the 9950X will be like 5-10% faster in gaming at most, and the 9950X3D extending that by a further 5-10%.
@@davidburk4546its the same 64 mb l3 and 16 mb l2 lol
@@davidburk4546 a healthy identical to last gen cache upgrade
Can't wait to see what kind of stuff X870 brings to the table. I made the mistake of buying an ASUS motherboard, and maybe these next-gen MoBos will bring down the prices of X670E stuff so that I can kick this ASUS board into the trash (well, FB Marketplace. But, same thing).
When this gets reviewed, please have the 5950x there also on the list as a comparative to get a grasp of the level of upgrade we are looking at going two gens back.
just now amd video got over and you are already ready , this shows hardware unboxed team works hard with the latest updates
They have these slides pre-computex.
Not even a mention of x3d? Any of these actually beat the 7800x3d?
In most cases in games, the 7800X3D will still be faster.
Those are supposedly coming in Q4 when intel launches their next stuff
@@OneDollaBill so this is just a bait
@@elirantuil5003 yeah i think they know a lot of people want the x3d models so they launch the others first making people either wait or buy these. Smart play business wise, but annoying for people who dont want nothing but the x3ds
most likely they will come close to match the 7800x3d if anything, kinda like how the 5800x3d matched the 7600x etc, but the 9800x3d is gonna be probably like 10% faster then the 7800x3d, which is not worth upgrading to if you already have the 7800x3d. All in all we are mostly gpu limited, not as much cpu limited when it comes to these cpus in gaming..
My 5800X is really starting to show it's age, so I'm excited to for the 9000 series X3D chip. Can't launch soon enough.
Im treating x870 the same way I treated x470, with a skip, because I know x970 and maybe even x990 will be right around the corner. x990 sounds so cool as a naming convention to leave AM5 into AM6. You heard it here first.