Assembling our Allison transmission | BANKS BUILT Ep 17
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- Watch the assembly of our custom-built Allison transmission. ATS Diesel's Clint Cannon walks us through each step of the process and points out the upgrades. After the assembly, Clint will connect the transmission to the dyno where it's filled with fluid, thoroughly saturating the clutch packs. It then runs for approximately 20 minutes, disengaged (neutral) to ensure proper lubrication before starting the test procedure. Since most transmission shops install the unit right onto the vehicle after assembly, it's important to lube the clutches during assembly. That step isn't required when you inject lubrication on the dyno.
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I wish Richard from Precision Transmission was in this video. Love his transmission vids
We love Richard's videos too.
I think Gail's people have found out about Richard as this video would never have happened otherwise. Richard makes the mystery of transmissions entertaining and very educational to the growing audience. No one would have guessed that a transmission shop CZcams channel would have been a thing. My wife and I halfway through this video were discussing this very topic .
And did you see those planetaries ?! My God, those things are massive.
@@bankspower I knew it ! No kidding . He's a real life master of his craft. I read your comment after my previous response
@@bankspower much respect for saying that. They are an amazing family. With so many sketch people in the transmission business... it’s people like Precision that rebuilt my faith in the area. Such kind and caring people. They deserve some love. Seriously. Maybe do some kind of collaborative effort with them to help spread the word about their business/channel. I’m all about supporting good people and I think BANKS shares that same theme too. Cheers to Gale and the BANKS team! 🙏
Only issue Richard never shows how to put a transmission back together.
It’s so refreshing to see a president of a company actually know the ins and outs of their product without just reading off a sales sheet. The fact that Clint can casually assemble a transmission from scratch while talking us through the function of each piece is proof that he knows his stuff!
Thanks to both Banks Power and ATS Diesel Performance for giving us this privileged look!
This is exactly why we chose Clint. He is a wealth of knowledge when it comes to the Allison trans. We even had Banks staffers in our sales/marketing dept getting super into the video.
I hate watching Mr. Banks age.. I get it's a thing we all go through but I want this man around producing informative content for decades and decades to come! He's a wealth of knowledge, runs a solid company, and really such a joy to watch.. I leave every video learning something new.
Clint with "ATS" proof on camera this guy knows what he's talking about, would not even hesitate to order from him, thank you Clint very informative. Thanks Gale Banks for supporting and collaborating with others in the business.
Great to hear from a fan, thanks for watching. Stay tuned for more Banks Built action.
Those Allison's are tough, I have nearly a 1/2 million miles on a 06 chevy 1 ton dually, Duramax Diesel powered..That truck is a beast
Another welcomed video from professor Banks and his university of automotive geniuses.
Couldn't have put it better myself
Thanks for watching, we're glad you enjoyed the video. Stay tuned for more.
He understands the difference between dynamic and static clutches. Understanding this is a key part of building a proper transmission.
Thank you for not having CZcams ads. It makes your show a pleasure to watch!
He’s not Rich but he did a really good job walking us through this Allison!
Heck yes!!! Now this is a video subject I love!!!
If you like transmission vids... check out the Precision Transmission channel
Great video, I’m really impressed with all of your work!
Glad you enjoyed the video, stay tuned for more.
Thank You ALL Tech @ Its Best
That was awesome I watched the whole thing
It great watching hardware like the Allison be built, it's so much fun.
Thanks again Banks
This was an interesting transmission build video for me. This is the first video auto trans video I have seen where they didn't soak the frictions prior to install.
The trans that Clint built on camera was just a mock-up assembly for the video. It was broken down, pre-soaked, and re-assembled then dynoed. Clint didn't do it for the sake of time in the video.
@@bankspower The "built for TV" aspect kind of turned me off, and seemed somewhat disingenuous. I think a lot of viewers that are watching this are hard core DIY mechanics and enthusiasts of diesel performance, and would love to see a "real" build without the fluff.
Why did he not soak the clutch plates before assembly?
I was wondering the same thing. Every transmission build I've seen, they soak the clutches. Is there a way to prime the clutches after assembly? Or was this video just for show, and they will assemble it correctly later?
Ease of display and to stay clean.
@@rickkeeling3207 Exactly.
@@strandtc The trans that Clint built on camera was just a mock-up assembly for the video. It was broken down, pre-soaked, and re-assembled. Clint didn't do it for the sake of time in the video.
Gotta install them dry first to get right clearances before you pre-soak.
It looks like the clutches were installed dry. Wondering why the clutches were installed dry and not pre-soaked?
Hummmmm
The trans that Clint built on camera was just a mock-up assembly for the video. It was broken down, pre-soaked, and re-assembled. Clint didn't do it for the sake of time in the video.
@@bankspower figured there was a logical reason behind this! ATS does darn good work and I would be shocked if he installed them dry.
Excellent video! Dam this was good!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Good video, informative.
Glad you enjoyed the video, thanks for watching.
Did y’all see him put in that snap ring
Lmfao
That’s number I billion for this man
WOW
I love watching pros at work
I hope you the best possible outcome with this transmission. I just hope everyone stays honest and we are informed of issues arise.
Will do, we will be transparent with our results.
Banks isn't CNN they actually like the truth.
@@2511jeremy I guess we will see. I feel they really dropped the ball in partnership research. Go to any diesel page and ask about these transmission. 80% are dissatisfied and have gone through several transmissions and ended up going with a different company. Clearly by the way these comments are going it’s a common opinion. I have no first hand experience with them so I don’t have a real opinion, besides all the negative I’ve seen on multiple pages, videos, and groups.
I’m all for Improvement and making a better name for yourself. I guess we will see if they are heading in that direction. An input shaft for a seal driver dosnt help their cause tho lol
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@@bradfordcustoms7588 Here's the thing about groups, and old-school online forums.. when's the last time you posted about that amazing cheeseburger you had or the great 75W90 rear gear oil? What we're saying is that online groups are typically places where people gather to commiserate rather than celebrate. For example, there are approximately 86,000 Duramax-powered trucks produced per year. Of those 86k truck owners, only a fraction are online and when they do go online, it's typically to ask a question about a problem they're facing. So, as you're scrolling through groups you're not seeing the vast majority of Duramax owners are driving their trucks problem-free. We believe that could also be the case with ATS. They sell thousands of transmissions. Regardless, we'll be transparent with our experience.
Awesome Video!
Howdy guys, thanks for watching. Also, thanks for partnering with us on this project.
I love these videos. The electronically lowered announcer voice is like 40 grit sandpaper on my eardrums.
That was informative
Glad you learned something. Thanks for watching.
What do you plan on running for a shifter? I’m stuck on my 76 chev c30 lbz swap build, lokar already told me to kick rocks
Good stuff 10 paws for this video.
Love the Banks videos but you can have your ATS and deep pockets. I am protecting my customers from getting shafted by ATS like several of them already have. I will stick with a list of the other transmission shops I use who stand behind their products with great customer service.
We respect your decision as a business owner. Clint and his team are aware of their previous shortcomings and from what we can tell, are on the path to earn back customers. Regardless, we'll report back our findings in this series.
@@bankspower I just hope the findings are true and not doctored
@@bradfordcustoms7588 They will not be.
I wish there was this kind of aftermarket and attention for the ZF awd transmissions
What do the allison's do for selectables when it comes to end play
Heck yeah 👊🏻💪🏻
Any information on if the clutch packs should have been soaked Banks Team?
They probably got soaked while in the transmission test, just not during assembly. It's a bit different, I think, than putting it into a vehicle and having the customer just drive off. But, I was wondering the same thing.
The trans that Clint built on camera was just a mock-up assembly for the video. It was broken down, pre-soaked, and re-assembled. Clint didn't do it for the sake of time in the video.
@@bankspower that makes sense guess people just expected it to be the final assembly
i have question why dose the new banks diff covers for the chevys not have a NPT port for a temp prob and the ones for ford and ram do what's up banks
i thought the clutch was supposed to be soaked in transmission fluid before assembly?
Exactly
Yikes
i hope it's only for video purpose. it somehow feels like assembling an engine without any kind of oil on the bearings
This trans that Clint built on camera was just a mock-up assembly for the video. It was broken down, pre-soaked, and re-assembled. Clint didn't do it for the sake of time in the video.
If that input shaft really is 300M steel is treating it pretty rough. How does he protect it from hydrogen embrittlement by keeping nicks and scratches off it?
I'd love to see Richard Crich of Precision Transmission go through that ATS Allison.
I would like to learn even more about how the transmission works.
This is how it starts
I had one rebuilt locally, getting a light drip from filter area. Believe it's running out the access hole from pump area. What's most likely cause? Orings? I'm gonna take it back but want more info
Another Banks video? Hold on, let me grab a beer and a notebook.
Class is session...
Wow no clutch per soak 🤔 no sealer /gasket on back housing🤔
Hope it was just a mockup assembly
This trans that Clint built on camera was just a mock-up assembly for the video. It was broken down, pre-soaked, and re-assembled. Clint didn't do it for the sake of time in the video.
Gotta install them dry first to get the right clearances anyway...
No offense to ATS, but I'm still shocked Inglewood Transmissions wasn't the go to for this. Mike L. is an Allison God.
Love these vids Mr Banks...now you know you have a guy who is doing something for you that they know their stuff when they use a tranny shaft to put in a clutch pump......hehhehe....
Had an Allison in our c5500 they don't make trucks like them no more. With 4 tonnes of salt in the dump she still lit up the tyres.
I thought u soak the clutches before installing them
You are supposed too on 47re and 48re
Maybe because they dyno test them they fill them on the dyno?
@@tiredoldmechanic1791 they are still dry until the torque converter spins the pump Lubricating everything before hand helps to increase the life of the trans.
@@markbremmer8642 Some of the dynos have an external pump that fills the transmission through the cooler lines and test ports. Even with that, it seems that it would be difficult to get the friction material wet while stacked in the clutch packs. Maybe they soak their discs and set them aside to drip off before assembly?
The trans that Clint built on camera was just a mock-up assembly for the video. It was broken down, pre-soaked, and re-assembled. Clint didn't do it for the sake of time in the video.
dose ats run royal purple atf through there transmissions?
Look at the poster behind him, and you will see what trans oil he uses. Amsoil, same as Banks.
Why is he assembling the trans dry?
How much for trans like that
Clint has forgotten more about these Allison transmissions than other people think they know
Yeah, looks like he forgot about soaking the clutches so it’ll start up dry.
^^^ yup
@@MountainMcCumbee The trans that Clint built on camera was just a mock-up assembly for the video. It was broken down, pre-soaked, and re-assembled. Clint didn't do it for the sake of time in the video.
are they dry assembled the clutch packs or i am the only one thinking that they should soak the clothes before assembling
Lol auto correct
This trans that Clint built on camera was just a mock-up assembly for the video. It was broken down, pre-soaked, and re-assembled. Clint didn't do it for the sake of time in the video.
Don’t you soak the plates in SMS SYN OIL FIRST? Before assembly??
The trans that Clint built on camera was just a mock-up assembly for the video. It was broken down, pre-soaked, and re-assembled then dynoed. Clint didn't do it for the sake of time in the video.
Once he started talking about friction materials COF in mu i knew i was in for a treat
Yup, Clint is a pretty knowledgeable guy. That's why we invited him to help with this project.
Did he NOT soak his clutches before installing them?
The trans that Clint built on camera was just a mock-up assembly for the video. It was broken down, pre-soaked, and re-assembled. Clint didn't pre-soak for the sake of time in the video.
I guess that I am a nerd, but I want to know more. 😉
This is how it starts. Stay tuned for more.
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"Best thing you can do is use lube" as he beats a part into place with a shaft to the trans. GET A TOOL!!! That's how you roll an edge onto a part pro work right there. Lol
He is putting it together dry....be willing to bet all those parts are there for showing us this build. At least I hope that's not normal operating procedure at ATS
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Plus 1 for the mu reference
He built a 1000hp trans in less than a hour, it takes me the same time to make a grilled cheese sandwich............
Thats because he forgot to soak the clutch packs
And burnt it up is 5 minutes starting it with dry clutches.
@Jeremy quiring @@MountainMcCumbee
This trans that Clint built on camera was just a mock-up assembly for the video. It was broken down, pre-soaked, and re-assembled. Clint didn't do it for the sake of time in the video.
@@bankspower man I still can't make a grill cheese sandwich that quick Clint is awesome
This guy shifts
I can’t believe he did not soak any of the clutches in transmission fluid.
The trans that Clint built on camera was just a mock-up assembly for the video. It was broken down, pre-soaked, and re-assembled. Clint didn't pre-soak for the sake of time in the video.
Love all your content so far, but judging from the comments this is a disaster waiting to happen. BTW any plans on making Pedal Monster for Corollas and Camrys. They were not on the list on your website despite claims that they were.
Are you talking about the pre-soak? If so, the trans that Clint built on camera was just a mock-up assembly for the video. It was broken down, pre-soaked, and re-assembled. Clint didn't do it for the sake of time in the video.
Also, not sure what's going on with the site. Everything works on our end. Almost all Toyota fitments right now for the PedalMonster are for 2011+ model year.
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If that's how they build a gearbox knowing millions of people will see it on CZcams. I'd hate to be an average Joe ordering one.
No pre soak.
No hammer.
No thanks.
This trans that Clint built on camera was just a mock-up assembly for the video. It was broken down, pre-soaked, and re-assembled. Clint didn't do it for the sake of time in the video.
Why is he not soaking the clutches in tranny fluid ?!!!
The trans that Clint built on camera was just a mock-up assembly for the video. It was broken down, pre-soaked, and re-assembled. Clint didn't do it for the sake of time in the video.
Dry clutches and no lube on the planets, etc...seriously? Maybe an Allison is different, but that's not how I have seen ANY other auto built...EVER. And when did he actually check end play?
This was a mock-up transmission. It was torn down after the video.
@@bankspower Thanks for the clarification. That seriously threw me (and obviously others) for a loop!
I still can't for the life of me understand why ya'll have such a hard on for the Allison transmission. My only guess is becuae it is going to be an engine/transmission offered together for one price. For building a no holds show vehicle, it is a huge let down. Tellin ya, should have just went with a ZF6 Like what GM offered in the LB7 and LLY. On top of that, ATS has some of the worst history of holding together. This just isn't my opinion either. Vast amounts of information can be found easily online about them.
Hard to be the big parts of an Allison transmission why they're in big rigs dump trucks equipment now for the assembly process I just seen no sealer no pre-soak
I rather “this is Richard back at you” Maybe this guys just not good on camera ?
Richard was just as awkward early on. Production quality has gone up 1000% now and it's awesome to see how far that channel has come.
First lol
Allison such a boujie name for a trans. Why couldn’t Chrysler name the 47/48 like marilyn, Jennifer, Beyonce or something? 🤦♂️
Exactly! What the actual hell?
@@bcbloc02 its actually a family of units referred to as the A618...
@@bcbloc02 true. Seems that the 727 intermediate bands have more holding power as well. A lot of guys run em in their 618s.
thumbs down for the fake video call but mostly for choosing "ATS" . I hope Mr Banks will eventually be honest with us his viewers and if/when that transmission fails he will make it public !
We will always be transparent and show all the data, we have nothing to hide.