Am I the only one, who sees Jeannie. Is saying what Tamar said? - - {race vs a state of mind: Rachel dolezal thoughts on whiteness} czcams.com/video/54QrcxCKo1o/video.html
When Disney did Moana, my dad loved it and cried cuz he was reminded of his ancestry - Samoa. When my uncle saw it, my dad’s cousin, he was angry and called out everything he didn’t like about it. I don’t think you can please anybody on this issue, HOWEVER you can ALWAYS give credit and say at least, “this was inspired by” or something.
Watching a movie has nothing to do with what you're born with. Just because he hates his culture doesn't make it a vaild statement. If I started to get tribal tattoos and I run around saying I created this design. I bet your uncle and dad would be upset. That's the point not watching a movie.
@@person8520 first of all you can't even spell the word right, next she grew up in the bay with black and Hispanic people and the things she grew up with and the experiences she has had baby girlll she has had more of a thug life than most black people. It's something she has embraced since she was a baby
But they thought she invented “bo Daniel braids” when in the end it’s the same thing. And that’s the issue. She ‘renamed’ the protective style and proceeded to call them a whitewashed version. People were calling cornrows boxer braids after kylie wore them and totally forgot they’re actually cornrows that come from Africa not Beverly Hills
@@PrincesSindy then white corporations need not to tell me to cut my hair because it's to nappy and not neat. Yet of course y'all always miss the message.
Jaylen Bey i get mad when basic ass girls wear bindis and henna and call it “boho”. Like, no, bitch. It’s our south Asian culture and you will call it what it is!
C B BUT WHY! Why can’t she just be free to wear her hair how she wants ? That’s so stupid that we need to caption to “give credit where credit is due” just so we don’t hurt peoples feelings. Black women wear wigs that are straight hair , some Asian women get perms that curl their hair so it looks like Latina hair. Am I bitching and moaning for people to give me “credit” that’s so stupid
Esiri Eya'ufe BUT WHO CARES ! Does it change your life in any way shape or form if a white person captions that? My point is African women aren’t the only ones with Afros btw. Latinas have hair like that too. Why am I going to bitch and cry because people aren’t giving me credit for hairstyles or hair textures or whatever. Like honestly think about it. Why does it matter ? You and I both know where it originated from and that’s it. What everyone else thinks doesn’t matter. Because at the end of the day people don’t care how you feel.
i remember when nikita dragun posted her photo when she was wearing braids. she gave credit to the black culture and people in the comments were still very mad and telling her she culturally appropriated. so it doesn’t matter what you do sometimes. people are going to be offended regardless if you give credit or not.
NOT really i just saw a comment haven’t y’all seen the movie brave the irish people with hella course hair they braid it too im sick of this world bruh like really can’t do anything better but claim some braids on hair , HAIR . that ANYBODY can lose . i had chemotherapy at 10 years old lost all my hair and survived strong now im gonna do braids IF I WANT TO. don’t you guys realize your lives aren’t that long baby.
And I totally agree with you. Cultural barriers are just walls that keep people away from each other. I’m black and I love every other culture, and it’s an honour if someone loves my culture. Why can a black people wear straight hair and a white people cant get an Afro? It doesn’t make sense.
Loni became sensitive to this topic when Adrienne used the example of Loni using Asian people's hair. Once Tamera wanted to ask a question, she said "we have to wrap up". You can't get mad at different races assimilating a hairstyle if you yourself are doing the same thing, it's hypocrisy. She can rock her natural hairstyle if she wanted to, she simply chooses not to because she doesn't want to. People should be allowed to express themselves without having to explain every single little thing.
Assimilation implies that the choice to look more like the European Standard of beauty was done as a means to survive. Women born with naturally straight hair, can wash their hair, let it air dry and go look for a job with no problem. Black Women can't do that.
Staci Chandler Maybe not in America where the race issue is huge, but here in Norway that shouldn’t be a problem. Americans makes everything about race and are always asking for credit for everything. Just let people rock the style they want, they’re not hurting anybody. People are more accepting nowadays so people also need to stop playing the victim all the time (unless they’re actually experiencing racism themselves then of course it’s okay)
I'm Mexican and if I saw a model wearing the embroided flower clothing with the big flowers on their head I would too be so thrilled and excited just because I feel like people know where that comes from already in 2018
madonna recently came to morocco and worn berber/native north african clothes and jewlery and even worn the clothes to a recent event and nobody was mad that a white woman appropriated their culture because they took it as compliment. people are just sensitive these days.
@@lydiabeg7387 that is just a stupid and ignorant comment. especially seeing as we in the west are the ones invading countries sins forever and want people to become like us religion wise and cultural wise. every person want's to see someone who looks like them in a magazine or on tv. This make's it familiar you recognise it because she looks like you. But writing such an ignorant reply just because she is a muslim and you have another relligion you should be ashamed little girl
It’s deeper than just a hairstyle. Anyone can wear their hair however they choose. What happened to Adrienne’s sister was ridiculous and uncalled for. My issue is the historical mockery and rejection of black women’s features and hair (big lips, big ass, cornrows, etc...). On the flip side, the Kardashians are celebrated for having the exact same look. It sends a message saying, “We love everything about the black culture...as long as it’s from non-black people”. I’m not blaming the Kardashian’s. It’s a systemic issue. They are just profiting off of it. Tyga even stated in a previous interview that he gave Kylie advice to profit off of black culture. It is what it is.
Nanafia1 I think what many of their discussions have failed to acknowledge is the historical and systemic racial oppression tied in with these topics. Experiences for whites and non whites in america are different, and also come with their own set of rules making their conversations very limited. They really need to remember that part of American history to put these terms in the right context.
So, let’s first talk about how y’all seem to be missing Loni’s point. A black women decides she’s gonna rock her Afro, dreadlocks or cornrows and often it’s viewed problematic or unprofessional. A white women decides she wants to rock an Afro, dreads or cornrows and all of a sudden it’s cool, popular, “the new trend”.. Why wasn’t the Afro, dreads or cornrows viewed in that light when the black woman wore it. Another thing, a white women can not argue with a black women about stealing “her”hair because if it weren’t for hot combs and straight weaves that black women could be out of a job and that’s the difference. The black women wore “your” her because it was what was accepted, it pays the bills.. the white women rocks the Afro, cornrows, exc because it’s cool. I blame the industry. Smh 🤦🏾♀️
This is true though I went to a school with quite a few African Americans I liked their hair when they had it in a afro or dreadlocks but some of the kids would be making fun of it or something I would often stand up for them because that's just not right. I love when they would do twisties on my hair tbh it looked so beautiful to me 🤷🏻♀️.
The point is We as African-American women have been scorn for many different hairstyles that we rock when we do it it’s either ghetto unprofessional or it brings so much attention to where it’s comfortable but when everybody else does it it’s fashion
So everytime one of the Kardashians or models post for pictures they need to have a disclaimer "hey! This hairstyle is from this and that and I don't hold copyright" 😂😂😂 How exactly would that go?
yEAH, CAUSE YALL NEED TO QUIT STEALING OUR CREATIVity, come up with your OWN! White people and other cultures have cool stuff too... BE PROUD OF IT AND SHOW IT. QUIT taking on blackness so much.
@@alvaferjoe2117 Having a natural afro is made by black people's creativity because we could have styled the hair differently but chose to style it that way. The afro does NOT just happen, the hair must be manipulated into what people see. The hair itself grows out of the scalp in a way that makes it EASIER to create what is seen but the afro HAS to be manifested, you can't just wake up with an afro. iT's an intentional hair style. And Yeah... the world is... the world wants to steal our creativity aka the way we dress, act, talk, look, style our hair, sing, dance, walk and everything else deemed "cool" because black people do it or they saw someone with lighter skin (who STOLE it from a black person) by copying the lighter skinned person and then doing what a black person was originally doing but got no credit for creating. In fact, this cultural stealing is happening on EVERY LEVEL except FINANCIALLY, unless the black person is a successful athlete or rapper. That is stealing our creativity. Why doesn't the world say... I want to dress and look like a hispanic or whatever type of human they were born from. Why is it that even people who hate black people want to be "cool" by copying blackness...Even in hispanic and other types of gangs they are talking and acting like black men and women. I don't see anybody in a hispanic gang wear sombreros or their traditional ethnic clothing. Nope, all the gangs who are not black, trying to act black. Wearing the same clothes and listening to the same music and even holding their guns in the same way. It's sad how people just LEAVE their culture to copy blacks.
lol you just wrote a template for them to use. it would go exactly how you posted. then nobody would have to be mad at them constantly stealing from other cultures while pretending to have invented it.
This is becoming absolutely ridiculous. Cultures have always travelled and got influenced by other cultures. That is not something to be offended about. Things change, life just like cultures evolve. Every single culture has at one point influenced an other and been influenced, and that is still going on and it will probably never stop. Just take a look around you, Food, Fashion, Makeup, Litterature, Art etc. How can we expect things to stay static ? I don't believe Egyptians get offended everytime they see someone from an other country wearing dreads or using khol or eyeliner. I am genuinely surprised that it is still an issue in the melting pot that is the US, you guys are the sum of many cultures that blended together.
@@lmgeranaeava9749 You seem to have missed the whole point of my commentary. Why would you get offended because a culture influenced an other ? This have been happening since the very beginning of civalization. People travel, different cultures meet and get influenced organically.
@@lilassia69 I'm not missing the point. The point is people STEALING...when you are the one getting STOLEN from comments like yours are OFFENSIVE. You said the word "influence" easily like a breath of fresh air. How are you comfortable using the world "influence" in place of stealing? This is why history is JACKED up now because of people claiming "influences" and not giving full CREDIT to creators when skin color is present within the original creators. This is why Europeans STILL think noodles were created by them and NOT the Chinese. To be more clear, It's like writing a term paper with most of the content coming from someone else's work and claiming to be INFLUENCED by the writer of the similar paper but it being okay... IT IS NOT. It was WRONG to steal/be influenced by other cultures and NOT give CREDit for origination THEN AND NOW. Just because you use a fluffy word like "influence" DOES NOT negate the WRONG. If i came into your house WITHOUT telling you and TOOK what i wanted FROM you and then started calling it whatever i wanted to, EVEN though it's your original property, and then when i got caught and called it BORROWING/being influenced by you... how would you FEEL?
@@lmgeranaeava9749 You do realize that you don't need to write in capital letters for me to understand ? There is a difference between influencing and stealing, I have never said that cultural appropriation was a good thing or encouraged it. Because when you are talking of stealing that what you are refering to, not the organic cultural exchanges that have been taking place since the very beginning of History. Please don't come at me with arguments about skin colours or having the rest of the world taking from your culture, if you knew me you would realize how misplaced those arguments are. I have no idea where you are from, but I am pretty sure your culture have influenced and have been influenced. Which is not bad. Culture is a big word that is used to talk about fashion, cuisine, makeup, politics, arts ect. Even North Korea before it completely closed its borders was influenced by China, Japan ect. As long as people will travel and meet each other cultural exchanges will not stop. I believe there is a big difference between someone genuinely enjoying a culture and someone completely bastardizing an other culture.
@@lilassia69Your talking about writing in capital letters is a distraction from the conversation at hand. I would not have taken the time to write a response if I thought there were something wrong with your understanding. I wouldn't waste my time like that. Anyway, back to the point---> influencing and stealing are not different in this day and age or the conversational context points Loni was trying to make that you simply dismissed as absolutely ridiculous. I made a point about skin color because people of color are the ones who these things are happening to. Clearly you are either lacking in social consciousness or don't have skin color, otherwise you wouldn't feel comfortable making statements like that. Nobody has ever stolen your culture and tried to market it to you as something they created aka "something to be enjoyed by everybody". Black and people of color are the only ones on this planet that people think it's okay to put on and take off their culture like clothes. It's not right.
@Jadiel Cocopenil The whole show is about talking about life, opinions, and problems. It doesn't make sense to tell them to just "Google it" on a talk show that's about talking out things.
I agree on overworking Loni on this topic and similar... it’s not simple by any means because no one but black people (particularly dark skinned, kinky hair) will understand that struggle and why it’s delicate for other races to mimic our born features that we are still in 2019 are still discriminated against (Loni’s point of not getting hired if her hair didn’t mimic another race, black people are still being gunned down because of the natural features we are born with). How do y’all (Caucasians, Hispanics, Asians et al) don’t understand that this is delicate, and for another race to try to copy/mimic for money or not while we still living the blues is insensitive, in appropriate and IS by definition cultural appropriation
These days black women feel attacked and offended by anything we wear weaves and wigs all the time from a range of colours that are identified by other cultures.I understand if money is being made and no credit is given but we need to accept that are culture is bomb and something to be proud of so of course people are going to emulate it.
I personally love African American culture. As a young girl I use to get my hair braided by a black lady in the salon I went to. She loved that I loved her hair. I actually got made fun of for how much I love black culture. It is fun, it is beautiful and it is so accepting and out there. My sister to this day tells me I have an issue accepting that I'm white. 🙄🤷♂️ She might be right. Whatever. Lol. However, I am so glad that lady in the salon never made me feel bad for loving braids. 💗
@@jenfren723 Jen I am glad you love Black Culture and I love the fact that you're open about it because we need more people to speak out for the love of our culture. Assimilation has been so deeply rooted the even black women Truly find their own hair as repulsive. And refused to show it to anybody. If you have any haters it is truly because you have the option to choose between your own hair and our beautiful full texture. If you choose the full texture that's great. If you chose straighten hair that is still great. But if I walked into a high-class restaurant with my course hair instead of my straighten wig , I will be seen as inappropriate unapproachable Ratched unkempt.
I'm not a Kardashian fan but Ade has a point. How far is too far before y'all gna prevent someone simply living their life man. We're getting wayyy too sensitive and reading wayyy too much into everything. We just need to breathe.
@goldie silver You're missing my point. We're talking about appropriation it didn't matter who was the model. Again it shows ppl have an issue with the girl than the style
@@GodGotThis_Megz ohh, it mattered, if another model other than a Kardashian sister had done it especially very soon after Pepsi, it wouldn't have mattered. The woman next to her seems to be wearing straight hair but there was no peep about her.....additionally, in that picture she actually looked like the popstars in the 70s and 80s
O like how black people cant live their lives without having police called on them. Lmao that's right if white people want to place negative labels on black people for being black. Then NO you dont get to try and be black and make out blackness a trend for your entertainment
@@jennifermeels582 Chantell Im black and have had very few run-ins with the police and most run-ins have been positive. Yes there is racism, but some of you folks have way more invisible enemies than real ones. I think a lot of you guys arent happy with yourself. I have no issue with what someone else does. I agree with Sim Chai. You guys are really the ones causing major issues. The style featured on her was not black at all.
@@viciouzvalentine4993 you aren't black you are brown and the fact that you continue to state "you all" "you folks" shows just how NOT part of the black community you are. I dont care how little interactions or if they are positive with police. That does not negate the fact that UNARMED black males NOT brown males but black males African American males are being killed. I also dont give two shits if you dont care what others do that is blatant racism towards the black community. But we do! Educate yourself on how we were and still are being told that our culture is ugly ratchet, ghetto but then have them wear it, they and rename it and make it a trend because it suits them. Get outta here
Adrianne, I'm so sorry you went through that. At the end of the day, wear your hair how you want it and dress in the style you want because you'll always be offending someone regardless. Just give credit when asked and enjoy your day!
Loni don't know that we can be petty. And some black will accuse any1 of black face and cultural appropriation simply bcuz they are wearing black style. Also, isn't it the magazine's fault for stating sum1 has "created" sumthng, not the celebrity? Why does any1 have to "give credit"? Why can't ppl just wear what they want to wear?
Facts, at this day and age, and as a black woman, I believe we can all be petty. Although some people do actually culturally appropriate (I am sorry if I am saying this wrong), I believe a lot of us don't understand that some people just think that a hairstyle is pretty and they want to try it. Like Jeannie said, some people just grew up in the culture, and some people like Adrienne's sister want to wear the hairstyle. On the other hand, if all you do is get money off of a certain type of look which is not yours, I can understand the cultural appropriation. However, when a person suddenly gets a hairstyle that is not naturally theirs, some people immediately call it cultural appropriation when they desire a hairstyle too. And I know this might offend some people, but some black women get/ want straight hair, and every kind of hair has culture, but you do not see many people calling it cultural appropriation. Some people just want a hairstyle, but just because you are apart of one culture with one hairstyle, doesn't give people the right to say you culturally appropriated when you just want a hairstyle that you yourself don't have. Again, if you only wear a certain look because you get money off it and claim it as your natural self, that is a different story. To wrap this all up, I just believe some people just want a hairstyle without a bad intention. You don't have to be a certain culture to wear a hairstyle as long as there is no lie in your look. Do what you want with your hair. If you want dreads, get them. If you want straight hair, do it. Let some people appreciate culture, and lets stop saying everyone is appropriating culture when it is not true.
I'm with Adrienne on this. What about all the black women that dye their hair blonde? Does that mean they're appropriating white culture? Or Loni's wing eyeliner she's rocking.. is she appropriating Arab culture? .. As long as you wear a look out of appreciation and not out of disrespect than I don't see the issue?
HOLD UP..... Africans have been wearing blonde hair for the longest EVEN before having contact with whites. Eyeliner is A AFRICAN/BLACK INVENTION...ARABS did NOT invent it... and to be PERFECTLY CLEAR... ARABS are genetically BLACK PEOPLE. So let's not even start with that lie. Get your facts straight. ARABS are originally BLACK PEOPLE. Get it right!
Teresa Burch be real here, MOST AFRICAN WOMEN are born with black, kinky hair .. Not straight blonde hair!!’ Stop with that argument, you sound self hating ... I’m in Nyc all the time and other urban cities and I’ve never met a natural blonde black woman .. Common !! Black women arent known for blonde hair lol Sweden’s and European are
Tovah Education is key there are tribes of black skinned people with blonde hair and blue eyes . It literally comes from a genetic mutation from a black man thousands of years ago. Idk why people praise bad genes most blue eyed people have bad eyesight.
whats she's saying is, Why make kendall's hair an afro and give her freckles. Why not hire a model who naturally has that afro hair if it is so necessary for the shoot? There were just white models in those shots. Just hire some black models too, if you love their attributes so much
I honestly appreciate Jeannie's input... because it's ALSO about how people PERCEIVE it ! I honestly didn't think it was a black hairstyle.... Also I have to say this - I'm gonna be real cuz this is The REAL - let's not be hypocrites and act like women don't style their hair different ways and straighten it ! You don't see white women or any other culture say : OMG HOW DARE BLACK WOMEN OR ANY OTHER RACE WEAR OUR HAIR TEXTURE ! It's foreign to ever hear them say that... there are bigger things to worry about in today's time than what hairstyle Kendall Jenner is wearing on her head... now I understand that people also seem to be contradicting of what they feel is ghetto or whatever based on who is wearing what... Someone who is black could’ve been wearing a whole Gucci ensemble with some Balenciaga thigh high boots to match and they get called names... but the moment a Kardashian’s wears the same thing they praised... and I think that’s where the true issue is... it’s not them... it’s th people who are critics and are biased
True. But with the straight hair thing I feel like if your hair can create a style then it is yours. When black people straighten their hair it still does not look like white people or Asian people's hair so I don't consider straight theirs. They can also try mimicking a real Afro like kinky Afro and it will still not manage to look like it. So I don't attribute straight her to them unless you are wearing a wig. The closest they could get to an Afro may be 3a to 3b or 3c brushed out completely like Kendall in the photo. Or some curled up short hair.
Well for one, there is an obvious difference when it comes to power dynamics. Second, white beauty is constantly validated in the media. So for an African American to adapt to a style mostly associated with a white person couldn’t possibly result in appropriation for the opposite side. And lets not forget that for centuries black people as well as other cultures (Native Americans to be specific) have had to adapt in order to survive in a world that wasn’t meant for them. If that is a bit to much to understand, think about plagiarism. So let’s say that someone starts to copy Beyoncé. Her most iconic performances, singing styles, etc. because Beyoncé is such a huge figure and visible in the media, we can all identify her influences if it were to be replicated. But let’s say Beyoncé starts copying underground artists performances and adapting it as her own. If those artist don’t speak up, how is anyone suppose to know that it was stolen? And that every amount of blood, sweat, and tears that those artist put into their work was pointless because it’s now associated with the bigger performer. That’s the kind of frustration AA feel when white people start to adapt the same features that they once put AA down for AND on top of that, they don’t credit them! Hint: The Plagiarism comparison.
I’m so thankful for Loni on this show, she really kept it REAL even if it wasn’t the popular vote at the table but you can tell the majority of the audience were agreeing with her
Loni is a little too heated about looks and styles conversation. It’s an expression of personality I can’t carry a sign every time I get inspired to copy a look
I see where Adrienne is going when she said her sister had dreads in her hair and ppl were being rude.. honestly like A said .. shes not making any money off of it or "appropriating " it, she did it because she simply liked it. .. so let her be! Honestly people there is more important things going on in the world than yo get all worked up about hair! Just don't support the Jenner's and Kardashians . Period.
jayy 95 the appropriation happens when Adrienne’s sister is praised by other non-Black people for her “edgy” hair and Loni isn’t getting hired bc if she had dreads she’s not thought of as “edgy”.
I get to an extent what loin is saying. That she would have to have straight hair to get hired. So what about if you color or wear a blond or red wig or weave? Isn't that the same thing? I'm not trying to be rude I simple don't see what's the big deal. Anyone should wear their hair however they want. Period.
Thank you ! So fed up of all this rudeness over not appropriating hairstyles. Her sister liked the hairstyle so much that she chose to wear it herself. People praise her for that, is that her fault? NOP ! What people have to say about her hair is not her business. She didnt ask for those comments weither they were positive or negative. Black people wear straight wigs all fucking year and no one complains. You why? Because everybody is used to it. So let the world appreciate and get use to "black hair" so it wont be an issue in the futur.
@@lanmedsalopri Black women wearing their natural hair has been tried and people complained. Then black women were made to wear headwraps and still people complained. Black women straighten and press their hair, put on wigs and weaves to stop the complaining. Guess what? Now people are complaining about that too. Black women have changed their hair sooo much within the last decades and it hasn't been appreciated yet. So what makes you think it will work this time?.......Maybe we aren't the ones who need to change. Food for thought.
I am a africian American woman and I think people can wear their hair however they want. Its an expression/art form...hell I straightened my hair for years with a hot comb or perm. And look at all the weave we buy to wear their hair like white folks. Lets not even start on the hair colors. Her hair does not even look like a fro to me. No one owns a patent on hairstyles!! And yes some people act like its the best thing in the world when a Caucasian wears hairstyles that we have been wearing all the time. Kinda like the big butt thing...it was always a thing in the hood but most outside of the hood thought nothing of it til the Kardashians showed up.
Veronica can I just like your comment a hundred times?!!..I'm Latina, Native American and German and I totally agree folks act like they own the "hair patent"..LOL!!!..girl that's funny but so very true! I have naturally curly hair and a big booty..LOL ;) & I embrace it all...just as I teach my children who are also many ethnicities...(Samoan, Black, White, Indian & Mexican) and they are all beautiful even though they all look different...SELF LOVE regardless of hair, eye or skin color needs to be what matters!
Also, there are black women in Africa with straight hair. Somalian, African women from Chad and many African tribes there are women with fine hair. So those who say " why do black women wear white people's hair " bullshit needs to stop. Fine hair isn't a " white" thing. So some of the fools in these comments section can miss me with that bullshit.
Ummmm Jeannie says in another clip that someone’s culture should never be a costume and then says that Nicki Minaj’s costume was dope? Ummm total contradiction
Mary M There is a difference because many people take these cultural items and claim them as their own. These items have names and have been known for years. They take them make them a trend and all of sudden it’s a Kylie or Kardashian thing. That was the thing with the Kylie magazine you see Kylie with an Afro but her African American counterpart had straight hair. Why is it such a great style and fashionable when Kylie wore it but if an African American was to wear it, it’s unprofessional.
I think she meant is as more of a mockery. If people are wearing her culture as costume but making fun of it. I’m latin and I see people be dressing up like us but like the hood kind and they be “talking” and “acting” like us and that’s just straight up humiliating
A Halloween costume is completely different than a style choice. Halloween is more fun and games and a joke and not suppose to be everyday wear, so using culture in that sense is wrong
Im going to post my reply to another comment. I’ll say this... I think in this scenario, this was a reach and Ill agree I think us black people can be sensitive at times. But that’s not because we want to be, that’s because we HAVE to be. For years we had to allow these things to be swept under the rug and ignore the clear racism that was done to us in order to essentially survive in this society. One of the things we were also forced to do is something called “assimilate.” What I’m noticing is that people in the comments and in general keep bringing up the whole “weave” thing not realizing that they’re negating the fact that black and white women do NOT get the same starting line. We’re far behind, so in order to “survive” and catch up so to speak, we have to do something called “assimilate.” White woman don’t need to do that so when they jack off our original styles and culture that we had to give up just to catch up with them without giving our ancestors due credit, it’s hurtful and disrespectful. Because when you see your own culture not negatively affecting any others’ starting line but your own, it stings like no other. I hope you guys understand it in that way; let me know if there’s any further confusion.
We now get backlash for what you say you do what you think what you wear how you wear it..who you marry, have intercourse with what ypu do to your body, how you raise your kids, what language you speak, what ypu believe or dont believe spiritually..the freedom we are programmed to think we have is being taken from under us...Wake up!!!!we are the frog being boiled to death in the pot..slowly being simmered...wake up..race doesnt exist...do not let them divide us!!!
Interesting conversation...I remember being a teenager and being grossed out by Gwen Stefani sticking a bunch of silent Asian girls behind her...it felt exploitative to me. But to each his own I guess...
They can't no matter what. As soon as people started using the culturele appropriation phrase rational people stopped taking them seriously. This is just an excuse to try and police other races.
akathehnic it’s not we as black people just want credits from the industry when it’s due. Last time I checked we were mocked for those features, so we want credit for our ideas and CULTURE.
I just have to be completely honest here and say: are we really gonna start saying exactly what hairstyle we have and where it originated from because I swear the world is so sensitive nowadays that’s why people call this the “snowflake generation” like seriously it’s just a hairstyle she never said that she invented it! Older generations went off fighting in wars at around 15 and we out here getting worked up over someone’s hairstyle like seriously 🙄🤦♀️
Here is an explanation of cultural appropriation: If black people have had dreads for as long as we can remember and have been ridiculed, shamed and turned away from jobs then FAST FORWARD 2018 dreadlocks become a trend and all of these people (including Adrienne’s sister) start wearing them.. that is not ok. Had it not been a “trend” and people were still being ridiculed for it other races would not dare to have that hairstyle. It is unfair to take someone’s culture and use it as a trend. I’m sure Adrienne’s sister didnt have any bad intentions but I see where people are coming from. I am from Pakistan and mehndi (henna) has ALWAYS been apart of my culture, and I would get made fun of for having it, to the point where I would just cover up my hands.. NOW henna is such a big trend and everyone has it, but if people were still getting roasted for having it, then those same people getting it would not dare to have henna on their hands. You cant pick and chose when my culture is convenient to you
If dreadlocks and cornrows or an afro was stopping a white person from getting a job, they would not dare to ever have them... but for a lot of african american people it is not a choice. When something becomes trendy people want to hop on the trend but when it was being ridiculed where were these same people trying to “appreciate” the style??
This is an outstanding analogy for this topic. I hope Adrienne and many others come to understand this perspective. I can’t really understand why every issue is suddenly supposed to be irrelevant because it’s 2018. If it were no longer an issue, we wouldn’t be speaking on it.
But if a part of your culture that used to be laughed at and ridiculed becomes a trend I don't see what should be upsetting....why not rejoice that times have changed and that part of your culture is now trending?? It's all just petty to me I'm sorry. Times change and so do people's perspectives
yes thank you for posting this. that's what adrienne's sister and people that are not black need to hear. also, i would like to point out that some hispanics can be blind to the plight of black people and see their journey as equal when it's not.
Im not American, so maybe I dont grasp the emotions from both sides fully, but since when do we all have to stay "in our lane". The world always has evolved because we "copied" each other. If one country invented something that didnt mean the others couldn't use it. So by all means if I (I have straight hair) want to tease my hair into a big "fluff" (i don't have hair to have an afro) then why not??? And if a curly haired person wants to have straight hair then why not??? This is a colorful world. Let's keep it that way. There are no "lanes" and no "credit" is due.
I totally agreed until no credit is due. African American women struggle enough to fit into society’s standards of beauty in the beauty industry. The whole thing with Kendall Jenner’s is about the brand name to get money. And this is where it become appropriate. Why not put a women with that natural hair in the shoot. If I start a trend and 10 years go by and it comes back up don’t say this person created this trend. Say this person BROUGHT BACK this trend. Y’all out here acting like it’s that hard 🤣🤣
Loni I get it wigs and jobs but girl your on the real!!! This show is about diversity !! Look at tamera rocking her curls jeani rocking her tattoos obviously with the real ur gd with rocking ur own hair so take of the wig and represent black culture make it okay to rock ur hair and have an international talk show be a leader!! I cant stand people who talk but don’t act on it !
You all need to hear what Lonnie said she tried to get a job in dread locs no one hired her then she wore straight hair and got hired so use your brain to understand what she is saying. She has to look a certain or should I say us black women have to look a certain way in order to get a job
Nae Nae I understand that 100% & I don’t personally think it’s fair that black people have to change their hair in order to get a job. But at this point Loni is on a tv talk show, she doesn’t have to wear her hair any type of way anymore, she’s a celebrity & she has money. At this point Loni is choosing to wear a straight wig simply because she likes that style, so in my opinion, other races should be allowed to do the same haha.
Rawan Dosari she can represent black culture just by being herself like she’s doing. I’m so tired of other races telling black women what to do with their hair. What is the obsession with black womens hair?
Howcome everytime Tamera chims in it's, "Oh we have to wrap this up!"🙄 ..shade...but why!? Adrienne over there lowkey getting shaded as well..."(I dont know where the attitude come from) but"...
Lzheadfull ofhaircare I agree. Lonnie is way too agressive. It gets boring because what’s the point of having a conversation if she’s silencing people.
An issue I have with conversations like these is that a lot of people are ignorant about the history of black hair and how society has influenced that. It's not just a hairstyle, it is a part of a culture, just like certain garments that are worn for specific purposes in other cultures.
@@sebdcord it's funny because you took a huge leap with that assumption and made readers think you are the pot calling the kettle black rofl. Congratulations you played yo self 👏
kim kardashian doesnt need to put out a disclaimer everytime she wears braids for me to know where they originated from- unless you're ignorant and didnt realise black people have been doing braids since the beginning of time
A M Blacks are as racist as whites if not worse you guys judge people by their skin color not their ethnic background. According to you if you’re not black you’re automatically white no matter your ethnic background forget that she’s Armenian n whites see us as middle eastern not “white”. N no she didn’t rename it. You wanna hate her so bad so u will be negative against her to feel better. Well all you black racist haters kick rocks cuz she’s living better than you guys have ever since you were in this country
That's true. I don't see a problem for any woman of any culture to wear their hair as they please. But when Kim wore it, the issue was that she did call them uhm Bo braids or whatever from a white woman. So that was the controversy. Black persons took offense to it because yes veloce the white woman had worn them, they were ridiculed on a black woman's head. That's where I don't like it either, but otherwise wear ur hair anyhow u darn like, can nobody tell u anything! Just don't take away from what the style is!
im sure black women have been criticised for wearing their hair a certain way (locks, braids etc.) but im white and i dont want to be put in that category, I have always looked at them as a sign of beauty and each culture has something beautifully unique -
I am so glad that Jeanie and Adrianne brought up a different point of view. Black women do not have natural straight hair and nobody with natural straight hair complain about them not giving credits. Then loni explained she had to straighten her hair in order to get a job. Why would you work for someone who would not hire you base on your hairStyle? I am sure there are a lot of companies out there who see you for more than your hair. I get where loni is coming from but you can’t expect everyone walking around with a disclaimer. If you get upset with someone other than black wearing dreads without even knowing what their intentions are but solely for the fact that he/she looks like those who had done that to make money off of you then that is just petty and unreasonable. Loni is passionate/stubborn about her options but she never opens up to hearing other’s. It is kind of disappointing.
People with naturally straight hair don’t have the room to complain about African Americans or any culture with curly hair straightening their hair because like loni said simulation. Curly headed people were (are) looked down upon for their naturally curly hair and forced to conform to the naturally straight’s ideology of beauty or what they found socially acceptable to find jobs. I don’t think everyone has to have disclaimers when taking on fashion of a different culture, but just know that what you are doing or wearing was another culture’s values and to not reclaim as new or disrespect it... plain and simple
When it comes to natural hair, it is obviously more acceptable now than ever, but when Loni was coming up it wasn’t. It was looked at as unprofessional. Honestly I wore my hair naturally 2 years ago and my general manager made some comments saying that he liked my straight hair better. If he was bold enough to say that now, I could only imagine what Loni has heard.
a lot of people think natural hair that is not straight looks unprofessional. so sometimes for a job, they have no choice. esp her being on TV, they might not like her hair because it may be more coarse than Tamera's. it's not that simple
luomanfei There are black women that have naturally straight hair my aunt is fully black and her hair grown long and straight similar to Loni’s wig. She said it’s okay for people to wear what hairstyle they want but don’t continually mock another culture and make money off of it and treat it like a trend when you could show your appreciation for that culture instead
Also, locs are not purely an African cultural hair. Asia, S. Pacific, and parts of Europe (i.e. the Celts and the Vikings) were locs and braids. But also, what Loni said.
@@malibuluv209 It didn't originate from India. Please do your research. Every culture had some form of locs to either maintain their hair or was used for those who were deemed as spiritual leaders. Africans have been wearing it way before whites invaded. It was mostly worn by native doctors/spiritual leaders.
They only wore those styles AFTER coming into contact with AFRICANS... PLEASE READ! Asian and S. Pacific people have black DNA and ANCESTORS, and so do MANY parts of Europe. The locs and braids you speak of are NOT the same thing as what blacks wear. White braids aren't even made/styled the same way as black ones are. And the locs on whites were from their not washing or caring for their hair for long periods of time. They were not intentional styling.
@Vona Rose Exactly, it never fails, we are hated yet our culture is celebrated and we are disposed of when its trendy lbvs, everybody wants a piece of our culture as if it's an accessory but look the other way when we are criticized for it!!!
Hair color and hair texture is a physical trait. You are born with it . It is not cultural. Having blonde hair isn't a hairstyle. It's a physical trait. You can't cultural apprioate a hair color or texture . Cultural has nothing to do with physical traits. Doing or having your hair in braids, bantu nots and cornrows is cultural. These hair styles are african and is tied to the African culture (black africans). And straight and blonde hair isn't exclusive to the white race. On youtube check out everybody hates angel - " black women wearing weave is NOT cultrual appriopriation " . He explains it very well .
I am sick of the dread lock example. Please look into history books. Almost every culture has had a dread locked hair style throughout history because it was easier to manage when washing hair regularly was impossible. Can we just wear cute hairstyles and not act like any one culture invented hairstyles.
if i don't wash my hair for 4 days i get knots all over and start to form dreads, leave it another week and i have a head full of dreads and maybee a little bit matted tuffs in the back.
See thats what im talking about when it comes to Adrianian. She failed to understand what Loni was talking about when it relates to getting a job! We cant wear our hair like we want to. Its not that we dont want to but its because we have to change our hair in order to get the job. Which so crazy but true. She never had to deal with that so she cant relate.
I agree with everything they are saying here. I also understand that sometimes it’s stupid to rename something that’s been around for years that’s apart of a certain culture. I kinda disagree with Loni on us not being petty yes, some people are very petty when they see someone who’s not black wearing braids or dreads. And what Adrienne said wow some people are too sensitive.
A I love you but you know Kim k called her corn rows "Bo Derek braids", making them seem like a new thing. She could have just called them corn rows and acknowledged whoever gave her those beautiful braids. Simple.
4:15 Loni tried to dodge Tam's question, talking about "we gotta wrap". 😂😂😂😂😂😂 Girl just say you don't know. I've always wondered the same thing. How come nobody say anything when black females where straight blonde wigs? 🤔 I bet if a black Male wore that type of wig people would have something to say about it.
I understand what loni saying she’s right. What’s wrong with dressing like your own culture. Every white girl wants to dress black. And be black. If they have an oz. of African American in there family tree. Omg they screaming from the roof top they black. Accept it you not black. And loni is right at one time afo’s and braids cornrows that was looked down on. People wouldn’t hire u. Black women had no choice but to wear wigs. I could see y it offends black women. Because they were looked down on. But now women from other cultures are wearing,Black culture hair do’s and it’s praised. Not cool. I totally get what loni is saying. Some women and u know who u are want to be black wish they were black and claim they black. And look like fools dressing in all the black culture..and yes they do have white women that have afo’s but not many. And they usually mixed. Are albino. White women have either straight hair wavy hair are curly hair. Loni did give an answer why black women wear wigs and straight hair because that’s the only way she got hired.. pay attention to what black people had to go through. They were look down on for Afo’s and cornrows. Before you come stunting with there culture
Vona. The point is Lonis hair isn't naturally blonde or straight. Now she's got a platform to show off her natural hair, why don't she do it then??!! Instead of continuously complaining about some white girl doing afros (wasn't even an Afro!!!), she should stop doing her hair as a white girl!!
@Vona Rose neither is dark curly hair for white women. We have that naturally as well. Or should we change what we're born with bc we wouldn't want to offend anybody.. Two wrongs don't make a right, foh
Really you're keep complaining about white people Appropriating and you keep wearing wigs or weave. I can't with my people sometimes. Oh by the way I'm Black.
You really don't comprehend how it's annoying that black folks aren't allowed to represent hairstyles or fashions of their own African/Caribbean/Black American culture... but white folks are praised when they dabble in those same looks and fashions? A black girl with cornrows would be told she looks ghetto, while Kim Kardashian wears cornrows and the fashion magazines call them "boxer braids" and on trend!
1. That's not an afro or even a hairstyle created by solely black people 2. Cultural appropriation is stupid, she is not saying she invented the hairstyle, nor is she claiming it
@@shimaa7732 I didn't see her Pepsi commercial, I think it was her holding a Pepsi and stopping protests or something... so what does that have to do with culture? Regardless, cultural appropriation is not a real thing, and if it is, then we're all guilty of it because all cultures have taken and borrowed from others. There is no purely unique culture
I agree with Loni, there is a fine between cultural appropriation and cultural appreciation. I personally feel like as long a you give credit where credit is due your fine. But also I don’t speak for every black person or person of color. Some people are a lot more sensitive than I am.
I am black and she looks like she was having a really bad hair day,that ain't no Afro and by the way,people will get upset regardless of what she does with her bloody self and her family.. Afro or not,she will Never look anything like me nor me her,I care less.Next
That -to me- is called being over sensitive! If someone takes something from your culture, you should be flattered! We should always strive to inspire each other; in fact it kinda makes us more united and alike..😌
so, if I take for your work and rename it and claim its mine and I created it. You should be flattered... sorry that is literally plagiarism. I think any can wear what they want just call for what it is.
But I can't wear mine and get a job because your people think it's unprofessional but when you wear the same hairstyle that was seen as unprofessional you get praised for it? Srsly Even in the modeling industry black models are still made to straighten their hair
THIS IS WHY THEY NEED A 5TH HOST. Loni is the only one that speak up on these type of topic. Tamera try so hard not to offend her white side that she sit back on certain topics. Jeannie always trying to justice a white person actions and Adrienne either acts confused or acts as the Kardashian publicist. #bringbacktamar
People forget that there are many different forms of these cultural styles though, like there's more than one kind of afro, and it's not subjected to just poc, there are different kinds of braids. Many black people don't grow curly hair, I know black girls that grow straight hair, I don't know anyone that doesn't enjoy the look of bone straight hair and there are many ways to get it but it's still straight hair in the end. I just feel like the world has gotten to be overly sensitive and it's part of the reason that we don't have much evolution as people, and while I understand what each woman at the table is saying I just feel like does not always have to be that deep. We create more problems than there should be when look to deeply into every little thing.
Before we jump on everyone else maybe we as black women should start wearing our styles and natural hair more so that even if other races do it everyone will still know where it came from
Looking at that pic of Kendall's hair made me feel good. I'm Jewish and growing up my hair looked like that all the time and I hated how it looked and wished I could have easy straight hair. It used to make me feel bad about myself because when i would see the models and actresses they didnt usually have frizzy bushy hair like me. That look reminds me of what I grew up with but it looks glamorous and I wish famous women back then had taken pics with their hair like that. It would've made me feel more confident as a girl. Needless to say I dont see it as a purely African American hairstyle and that's what Adrienne was trying to point out in the beginning.
Yes I love Loni Love. She’s right they need to start giving credit where credit is due. People love to talk down on the black community but yet wanna be “black” so bad and don’t give us credit for our culture.
Rikyela Jean'e If u think Kendall Jenner try or look a bit black in those vogue pictures , u need better correction for your glasses and a better mirror , cuz or u can’t see her well or u can’t see yourself well . It’s one or the other because she def looks nothing like a black person even when they “comes in all different shade “
I really hope you all read this... Appropriation is loving the culture and not the PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Questions to consider when wondering about appropriation are: Do you talk and befriend people of the culture? Is there a disconnect with your communication with the people? Do you acknowledge where you got something from? It's a big deal with Black people because...we are excluded from the magazines and fashion!!! Goddamn, what is so hard to understand... I love you Adrienne, but you are missing the point
Loni does not make any sense and her logic is rather flawed with hypocrisy! Next time you come on the show give credit to the horses you got that wig from.
Black people been wearing wigs and weaves LOOOONG before coming to america. She's no hypocrite. She's trying to keep her job. The supreme court RULED 2X now that ANY employer can fire or REFUSE to hire a black person with their natural hair coming out of their scalp. It's ILLEGAL for black hair to be worn naturally in the workplace, IF the employer so CHOOSES. PLEASE don't be ignorant.
@@lmgeranaeava9749 I highly doubt black people wore wigs that looked drastically different from our real hair. I could be wrong but it doesn't seem logical
@@kwilliams6707 You are wrong. www.123rf.com/photo_32782251_old-antique-african-tribal-mask-chokwe.html Why is it that you would rather call me wrong than look up African history? Animal hairs come in various textures from straight to wavy. Why would you insult the intelligence of African people this way? www.ancient-origins.net/history-ancient-traditions/changing-beauty-use-elaborate-wigs-ancient-egypt-005484 www.google.com/search?q=the+use+of+wigs+throughout+africa+around+3000+b.c&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwit48LvjrbeAhWSz1MKHWx7BNgQ_AUIEygB&biw=1336&bih=902
@Derrick Iosn Wow, as intelligent of a woman as she is, that's how you would talk about her. People pick up a book and read about African history and people before you start downing people this way. i SERIOUSLY hope you willing to something like this to a man. ThougH i highly doubt it.
The problem that people have with cultural appropriation is the double standard that comes along with it. It is not okay to say that a black woman's afro is unruly or ghetto and then turn around and say that Kendall's hair is fashionable and all the rage.
Here we go with Loni going after the Kardashians...she had that hairstyle and never claimed it was hers from the get-go. The media spun that off. Sheesh
I think this is an American issue because of the horrific history and oppression that happened there. For example I’m in Canada and have lots of Asian friends. They enjoy when others wear their traditional styles and eat their food, they find it flattering, however their people do well here and there isn’t much resentment because they’re usually the wealthier ones among white people.
In Europe it is similar... I never really heard people complaining that others wear their styles and stuff. I think it is even cool when foreigners wear a croatian jersey :D It just means that they like the national team and our country.
no one in the industry is going to “give credit” because it would obviously backfire for this exactly reason. no ones gonna post about kim kardashian wearing traditional black hairstyle on a positive way, because people would get offended and upset! their forced to call it something new (ie glass hair) in order to avoid some of that backlash
Wow Jeanie asked a good question about the difference in cultural appropriation vs appreciation.
Am I the only one, who sees Jeannie. Is saying what Tamar said?
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She sure did! I have just been educated.. on appropriaction vs the other word.
Jeani is the smartest
When Disney did Moana, my dad loved it and cried cuz he was reminded of his ancestry - Samoa. When my uncle saw it, my dad’s cousin, he was angry and called out everything he didn’t like about it. I don’t think you can please anybody on this issue, HOWEVER you can ALWAYS give credit and say at least, “this was inspired by” or something.
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Watching a movie has nothing to do with what you're born with. Just because he hates his culture doesn't make it a vaild statement. If I started to get tribal tattoos and I run around saying I created this design. I bet your uncle and dad would be upset. That's the point not watching a movie.
On the side note I love how Jeannie is so understanding and respectful to a person’s culture
RIGHT
@@venus4364 lol she approoproayes black culture all the time no she aint
@@person8520 omg really???? then i take back my goddamn words
@@person8520 first of all you can't even spell the word right, next she grew up in the bay with black and Hispanic people and the things she grew up with and the experiences she has had baby girlll she has had more of a thug life than most black people. It's something she has embraced since she was a baby
Literally no one thought kim kardashian invented cornrows
But they thought she invented “bo Daniel braids” when in the end it’s the same thing. And that’s the issue. She ‘renamed’ the protective style and proceeded to call them a whitewashed version. People were calling cornrows boxer braids after kylie wore them and totally forgot they’re actually cornrows that come from Africa not Beverly Hills
@@selenadawn7953 black people need to LET OTHER races wear their hair however tf they want. Period.
@@selenadawn7953 and no, literally NO ONE thought Kim K INVENTED anything.....
Lies. Dude on Wendy Williams show said kim came up with them.
@@PrincesSindy then white corporations need not to tell me to cut my hair because it's to nappy and not neat. Yet of course y'all always miss the message.
I don’t think there’s anything Adrienne could’ve done differently. People are going to get offended regardless.
She could have wrote a caption like “my sis inspired by African locs” - I believe that would have helped
Jaylen Bey i get mad when basic ass girls wear bindis and henna and call it “boho”. Like, no, bitch. It’s our south Asian culture and you will call it what it is!
C B BUT WHY! Why can’t she just be free to wear her hair how she wants ? That’s so stupid that we need to caption to “give credit where credit is due” just so we don’t hurt peoples feelings. Black women wear wigs that are straight hair , some Asian women get perms that curl their hair so it looks like Latina hair. Am I bitching and moaning for people to give me “credit” that’s so stupid
Esiri Eya'ufe BUT WHO CARES ! Does it change your life in any way shape or form if a white person captions that? My point is African women aren’t the only ones with Afros btw. Latinas have hair like that too. Why am I going to bitch and cry because people aren’t giving me credit for hairstyles or hair textures or whatever. Like honestly think about it. Why does it matter ? You and I both know where it originated from and that’s it. What everyone else thinks doesn’t matter. Because at the end of the day people don’t care how you feel.
C B she doesn’t have to
Culture appropriation is also calling black women ghetto for certain hairstyle but praising Kim K or whoever the hell for the same thing.
XO OX Exactly. So because it's a black woman with the hairstyle it's seen as unkept and dirty. That's the problem
Yes!
Thank you! Some people are missing the point
One more time for the people in the back!!
Right
i remember when nikita dragun posted her photo when she was wearing braids. she gave credit to the black culture and people in the comments were still very mad and telling her she culturally appropriated. so it doesn’t matter what you do sometimes. people are going to be offended regardless if you give credit or not.
are u fucking dumb? your mentioning the girl that blackfishes everyother day
Braids are a completly diferent story
Box braids is different don’t touch that’s bad Nikita is a known culture vulture
I do still think it’s important that she gave credit where it was due. Regardless of whether or not people loved or hated it.
NOT really i just saw a comment haven’t y’all seen the movie brave the irish people with hella course hair they braid it too im sick of this world bruh like really can’t do anything better but claim some braids on hair , HAIR . that ANYBODY can lose . i had chemotherapy at 10 years old lost all my hair and survived strong now im gonna do braids IF I WANT TO. don’t you guys realize your lives aren’t that long baby.
"I think we are not that petty" LOL GIRL.
I’m African-American and I see absolutely nothing wrong with Kendall’s pic. It’s team too much now
And I totally agree with you. Cultural barriers are just walls that keep people away from each other. I’m black and I love every other culture, and it’s an honour if someone loves my culture. Why can a black people wear straight hair and a white people cant get an Afro? It doesn’t make sense.
If u don’t see nothing wrong with that then ur clearly blind
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Thank you
Exactly. It's silly now.
I don't see anything wrong with white people wearing black hairstyles and I'm black. Just don't say you invented it and it's all good.
Vona Rose Yeah. I agree with that.
It wasn't meant to be an Afro though... perhaps it looked that way to some but it was supposed to be 80s hair style.
but the thing is, no one has ever said they invented it.. i think it beautiful that someone finds your culture beautiful and wants to embrace it.
Slaying Sid Who are the white famous women you know that have said they invented Afro or cornrows?
Thats all it is!!
is nobody going to realize that Nicki is partly Asian? no? okay
So blasian
@@peachesxcream584 not really. She's from trinidad & they're mixed
your mom but Gwen steffnai isn’t 😂
Just because you are racially Asian doesn’t mean you are culturally
Indian yeah
Loni became sensitive to this topic when Adrienne used the example of Loni using Asian people's hair. Once Tamera wanted to ask a question, she said "we have to wrap up". You can't get mad at different races assimilating a hairstyle if you yourself are doing the same thing, it's hypocrisy. She can rock her natural hairstyle if she wanted to, she simply chooses not to because she doesn't want to. People should be allowed to express themselves without having to explain every single little thing.
Assimilation implies that the choice to look more like the European Standard of beauty was done as a means to survive. Women born with naturally straight hair, can wash their hair, let it air dry and go look for a job with no problem. Black Women can't do that.
Staci Chandler Maybe not in America where the race issue is huge, but here in Norway that shouldn’t be a problem. Americans makes everything about race and are always asking for credit for everything. Just let people rock the style they want, they’re not hurting anybody. People are more accepting nowadays so people also need to stop playing the victim all the time (unless they’re actually experiencing racism themselves then of course it’s okay)
Do yall not know there are many black people who grow straight hair FROM their roots.. Somalians and Sudanese for example
UniqueStyLista right like “I conrows because I appreciate it on black culture” nah bitch I got it cause I wanted to 😂
UniqueStyLista she literally explained and clearly you and Adrienne over looked it sounds like what people typically do to black womens feelings
iam a muslim , and if i saw a model wearing the hijab for a photoshoot i would be soooo thrilled and excited !!!
I'm Mexican and if I saw a model wearing the embroided flower clothing with the big flowers on their head I would too be so thrilled and excited just because I feel like people know where that comes from already in 2018
I'm swedish and if i see people dressing as a swedish milkmaid or having a flower midsummer crown, i think they look wonderful.
I don't get what all the fuss is about 🙄 Americans need to chill
madonna recently came to morocco and worn berber/native north african clothes and jewlery and even worn the clothes to a recent event and nobody was mad that a white woman appropriated their culture because they took it as compliment. people are just sensitive these days.
@@lydiabeg7387 that is just a stupid and ignorant comment.
especially seeing as we in the west are the ones invading countries sins forever and want people to become like us religion wise and cultural wise.
every person want's to see someone who looks like them in a magazine or on tv.
This make's it familiar you recognise it because she looks like you.
But writing such an ignorant reply just because she is a muslim and you have another relligion you should be ashamed little girl
It’s deeper than just a hairstyle. Anyone can wear their hair however they choose. What happened to Adrienne’s sister was ridiculous and uncalled for. My issue is the historical mockery and rejection of black women’s features and hair (big lips, big ass, cornrows, etc...). On the flip side, the Kardashians are celebrated for having the exact same look. It sends a message saying, “We love everything about the black culture...as long as it’s from non-black people”. I’m not blaming the Kardashian’s. It’s a systemic issue. They are just profiting off of it. Tyga even stated in a previous interview that he gave Kylie advice to profit off of black culture. It is what it is.
Nanafia1 I think what many of their discussions have failed to acknowledge is the historical and systemic racial oppression tied in with these topics. Experiences for whites and non whites in america are different, and also come with their own set of rules making their conversations very limited. They really need to remember that part of American history to put these terms in the right context.
I wish this talk would have lasted longer
So, let’s first talk about how y’all seem to be missing Loni’s point. A black women decides she’s gonna rock her Afro, dreadlocks or cornrows and often it’s viewed problematic or unprofessional. A white women decides she wants to rock an Afro, dreads or cornrows and all of a sudden it’s cool, popular, “the new trend”.. Why wasn’t the Afro, dreads or cornrows viewed in that light when the black woman wore it. Another thing, a white women can not argue with a black women about stealing “her”hair because if it weren’t for hot combs and straight weaves that black women could be out of a job and that’s the difference. The black women wore “your” her because it was what was accepted, it pays the bills.. the white women rocks the Afro, cornrows, exc because it’s cool. I blame the industry. Smh 🤦🏾♀️
This is true though I went to a school with quite a few African Americans I liked their hair when they had it in a afro or dreadlocks but some of the kids would be making fun of it or something I would often stand up for them because that's just not right. I love when they would do twisties on my hair tbh it looked so beautiful to me 🤷🏻♀️.
Xo Dstny I till they instrested “ in stilling it...
The point is We as African-American women have been scorn for many different hairstyles that we rock when we do it it’s either ghetto unprofessional or it brings so much attention to where it’s comfortable but when everybody else does it it’s fashion
dont blame the woman tho blame the industry thats not her fault she admires ur culture
You guys work???? Lmao
So everytime one of the Kardashians or models post for pictures they need to have a disclaimer "hey! This hairstyle is from this and that and I don't hold copyright" 😂😂😂 How exactly would that go?
yEAH, CAUSE YALL NEED TO QUIT STEALING OUR CREATIVity, come up with your OWN! White people and other cultures have cool stuff too... BE PROUD OF IT AND SHOW IT. QUIT taking on blackness so much.
exactly, its just petty and ridiculous.
@@lmgeranaeava9749 nobody's stealing your creativity. Lol. Having your natural afro isn't made by black people's creativity.
@@alvaferjoe2117 Having a natural afro is made by black people's creativity because we could have styled the hair differently but chose to style it that way. The afro does NOT just happen, the hair must be manipulated into what people see. The hair itself grows out of the scalp in a way that makes it EASIER to create what is seen but the afro HAS to be manifested, you can't just wake up with an afro. iT's an intentional hair style. And Yeah... the world is... the world wants to steal our creativity aka the way we dress, act, talk, look, style our hair, sing, dance, walk and everything else deemed "cool" because black people do it or they saw someone with lighter skin (who STOLE it from a black person) by copying the lighter skinned person and then doing what a black person was originally doing but got no credit for creating. In fact, this cultural stealing is happening on EVERY LEVEL except FINANCIALLY, unless the black person is a successful athlete or rapper. That is stealing our creativity. Why doesn't the world say... I want to dress and look like a hispanic or whatever type of human they were born from. Why is it that even people who hate black people want to be "cool" by copying blackness...Even in hispanic and other types of gangs they are talking and acting like black men and women. I don't see anybody in a hispanic gang wear sombreros or their traditional ethnic clothing. Nope, all the gangs who are not black, trying to act black. Wearing the same clothes and listening to the same music and even holding their guns in the same way. It's sad how people just LEAVE their culture to copy blacks.
lol you just wrote a template for them to use. it would go exactly how you posted. then nobody would have to be mad at them constantly stealing from other cultures while pretending to have invented it.
This is becoming absolutely ridiculous. Cultures have always travelled and got influenced by other cultures. That is not something to be offended about. Things change, life just like cultures evolve.
Every single culture has at one point influenced an other and been influenced, and that is still going on and it will probably never stop.
Just take a look around you, Food, Fashion, Makeup, Litterature, Art etc. How can we expect things to stay static ? I don't believe Egyptians get offended everytime they see someone from an other country wearing dreads or using khol or eyeliner.
I am genuinely surprised that it is still an issue in the melting pot that is the US, you guys are the sum of many cultures that blended together.
I wish the Cushite Kingdoms outside of Egypt would get offended too, especially since the Egyptians took a lot of their culture from them too.
@@lmgeranaeava9749 You seem to have missed the whole point of my commentary. Why would you get offended because a culture influenced an other ? This have been happening since the very beginning of civalization. People travel, different cultures meet and get influenced organically.
@@lilassia69 I'm not missing the point. The point is people STEALING...when you are the one getting STOLEN from comments like yours are OFFENSIVE. You said the word "influence" easily like a breath of fresh air. How are you comfortable using the world "influence" in place of stealing? This is why history is JACKED up now because of people claiming "influences" and not giving full CREDIT to creators when skin color is present within the original creators. This is why Europeans STILL think noodles were created by them and NOT the Chinese. To be more clear, It's like writing a term paper with most of the content coming from someone else's work and claiming to be INFLUENCED by the writer of the similar paper but it being okay... IT IS NOT. It was WRONG to steal/be influenced by other cultures and NOT give CREDit for origination THEN AND NOW. Just because you use a fluffy word like "influence" DOES NOT negate the WRONG. If i came into your house WITHOUT telling you and TOOK what i wanted FROM you and then started calling it whatever i wanted to, EVEN though it's your original property, and then when i got caught and called it BORROWING/being influenced by you... how would you FEEL?
@@lmgeranaeava9749 You do realize that you don't need to write in capital letters for me to understand ? There is a difference between influencing and stealing, I have never said that cultural appropriation was a good thing or encouraged it. Because when you are talking of stealing that what you are refering to, not the organic cultural exchanges that have been taking place since the very beginning of History.
Please don't come at me with arguments about skin colours or having the rest of the world taking from your culture, if you knew me you would realize how misplaced those arguments are.
I have no idea where you are from, but I am pretty sure your culture have influenced and have been influenced. Which is not bad. Culture is a big word that is used to talk about fashion, cuisine, makeup, politics, arts ect. Even North Korea before it completely closed its borders was influenced by China, Japan ect.
As long as people will travel and meet each other cultural exchanges will not stop. I believe there is a big difference between someone genuinely enjoying a culture and someone completely bastardizing an other culture.
@@lilassia69Your talking about writing in capital letters is a distraction from the conversation at hand. I would not have taken the time to write a response if I thought there were something wrong with your understanding. I wouldn't waste my time like that. Anyway, back to the point---> influencing and stealing are not different in this day and age or the conversational context points Loni was trying to make that you simply dismissed as absolutely ridiculous. I made a point about skin color because people of color are the ones who these things are happening to. Clearly you are either lacking in social consciousness or don't have skin color, otherwise you wouldn't feel comfortable making statements like that. Nobody has ever stolen your culture and tried to market it to you as something they created aka "something to be enjoyed by everybody". Black and people of color are the only ones on this planet that people think it's okay to put on and take off their culture like clothes. It's not right.
These ppl are overworking Loni. Having her explain simple ting smh
BantuScribe if she doesn’t explain how are they going to understand
and i know we ain’t gon act like tamera ain’t dipping in bc on purpose, she be pulling the black when it’s good for her.
she signed up to be under such heat. "the real" comes from?
@Jadiel Cocopenil The whole show is about talking about life, opinions, and problems. It doesn't make sense to tell them to just "Google it" on a talk show that's about talking out things.
I agree on overworking Loni on this topic and similar... it’s not simple by any means because no one but black people (particularly dark skinned, kinky hair) will understand that struggle and why it’s delicate for other races to mimic our born features that we are still in 2019 are still discriminated against (Loni’s point of not getting hired if her hair didn’t mimic another race, black people are still being gunned down because of the natural features we are born with). How do y’all (Caucasians, Hispanics, Asians et al) don’t understand that this is delicate, and for another race to try to copy/mimic for money or not while we still living the blues is insensitive, in appropriate and IS by definition cultural appropriation
These days black women feel attacked and offended by anything we wear weaves and wigs all the time from a range of colours that are identified by other cultures.I understand if money is being made and no credit is given but we need to accept that are culture is bomb and something to be proud of so of course people are going to emulate it.
I personally love African American culture. As a young girl I use to get my hair braided by a black lady in the salon I went to. She loved that I loved her hair. I actually got made fun of for how much I love black culture. It is fun, it is beautiful and it is so accepting and out there. My sister to this day tells me I have an issue accepting that I'm white. 🙄🤷♂️ She might be right. Whatever. Lol. However, I am so glad that lady in the salon never made me feel bad for loving braids. 💗
@@jenfren723 Jen I am glad you love Black Culture and I love the fact that you're open about it because we need more people to speak out for the love of our culture. Assimilation has been so deeply rooted the even black women Truly find their own hair as repulsive. And refused to show it to anybody. If you have any haters it is truly because you have the option to choose between your own hair and our beautiful full texture. If you choose the full texture that's great. If you chose straighten hair that is still great. But if I walked into a high-class restaurant with my course hair instead of my straighten wig , I will be seen as inappropriate unapproachable Ratched unkempt.
Straight hair doesn't identify with other cultures, black women can be born with straight hair and blonde hair etc.. delete this😬
Yess exactly
Peja non black people can be born with super tight curls too
I'm not a Kardashian fan but Ade has a point. How far is too far before y'all gna prevent someone simply living their life man. We're getting wayyy too sensitive and reading wayyy too much into everything. We just need to breathe.
@goldie silver You're missing my point. We're talking about appropriation it didn't matter who was the model. Again it shows ppl have an issue with the girl than the style
@@GodGotThis_Megz ohh, it mattered, if another model other than a Kardashian sister had done it especially very soon after Pepsi, it wouldn't have mattered. The woman next to her seems to be wearing straight hair but there was no peep about her.....additionally, in that picture she actually looked like the popstars in the 70s and 80s
O like how black people cant live their lives without having police called on them. Lmao that's right if white people want to place negative labels on black people for being black. Then NO you dont get to try and be black and make out blackness a trend for your entertainment
@@jennifermeels582 Chantell Im black and have had very few run-ins with the police and most run-ins have been positive. Yes there is racism, but some of you folks have way more invisible enemies than real ones. I think a lot of you guys arent happy with yourself. I have no issue with what someone else does. I agree with Sim Chai. You guys are really the ones causing major issues. The style featured on her was not black at all.
@@viciouzvalentine4993 you aren't black you are brown and the fact that you continue to state "you all" "you folks" shows just how NOT part of the black community you are. I dont care how little interactions or if they are positive with police. That does not negate the fact that UNARMED black males NOT brown males but black males African American males are being killed. I also dont give two shits if you dont care what others do that is blatant racism towards the black community. But we do! Educate yourself on how we were and still are being told that our culture is ugly ratchet, ghetto but then have them wear it, they and rename it and make it a trend because it suits them. Get outta here
Adrianne, I'm so sorry you went through that. At the end of the day, wear your hair how you want it and dress in the style you want because you'll always be offending someone regardless. Just give credit when asked and enjoy your day!
i was about to whoop ur ahh untill i read the last line
Loni don't know that we can be petty. And some black will accuse any1 of black face and cultural appropriation simply bcuz they are wearing black style. Also, isn't it the magazine's fault for stating sum1 has "created" sumthng, not the celebrity? Why does any1 have to "give credit"? Why can't ppl just wear what they want to wear?
Facts, at this day and age, and as a black woman, I believe we can all be petty. Although some people do actually culturally appropriate (I am sorry if I am saying this wrong), I believe a lot of us don't understand that some people just think that a hairstyle is pretty and they want to try it. Like Jeannie said, some people just grew up in the culture, and some people like Adrienne's sister want to wear the hairstyle. On the other hand, if all you do is get money off of a certain type of look which is not yours, I can understand the cultural appropriation. However, when a person suddenly gets a hairstyle that is not naturally theirs, some people immediately call it cultural appropriation when they desire a hairstyle too. And I know this might offend some people, but some black women get/ want straight hair, and every kind of hair has culture, but you do not see many people calling it cultural appropriation. Some people just want a hairstyle, but just because you are apart of one culture with one hairstyle, doesn't give people the right to say you culturally appropriated when you just want a hairstyle that you yourself don't have. Again, if you only wear a certain look because you get money off it and claim it as your natural self, that is a different story. To wrap this all up, I just believe some people just want a hairstyle without a bad intention. You don't have to be a certain culture to wear a hairstyle as long as there is no lie in your look. Do what you want with your hair. If you want dreads, get them. If you want straight hair, do it. Let some people appreciate culture, and lets stop saying everyone is appropriating culture when it is not true.
I'm with Adrienne on this. What about all the black women that dye their hair blonde? Does that mean they're appropriating white culture? Or Loni's wing eyeliner she's rocking.. is she appropriating Arab culture? .. As long as you wear a look out of appreciation and not out of disrespect than I don't see the issue?
There are black children that were born with blond hair.
HOLD UP..... Africans have been wearing blonde hair for the longest EVEN before having contact with whites. Eyeliner is A AFRICAN/BLACK INVENTION...ARABS did NOT invent it... and to be PERFECTLY CLEAR... ARABS are genetically BLACK PEOPLE. So let's not even start with that lie. Get your facts straight. ARABS are originally BLACK PEOPLE. Get it right!
Teresa Burch be real here, MOST AFRICAN WOMEN are born with black, kinky hair .. Not straight blonde hair!!’ Stop with that argument, you sound self hating ... I’m in Nyc all the time and other urban cities and I’ve never met a natural blonde black woman .. Common !! Black women arent known for blonde hair lol Sweden’s and European are
Tovah Education is key there are tribes of black skinned people with blonde hair and blue eyes . It literally comes from a genetic mutation from a black man thousands of years ago. Idk why people praise bad genes most blue eyed people have bad eyesight.
mariam Jheran there is blonde hair in every race. Egyptians in AFRICA wore eyeliner and makeup...
See loni couldn't even.give a valid reason. They just petty and too sensitive
SERIOUSLY! LONI NEEDS TO MAKE UP HER DAMN MIND! I FEEL LIKE WHEN IT COMES TO THE JENNERS OR KARDASIANS SHE ALWAYS SPEAKING NEGATIVE!
Yea she said 2 different things . 🤣😂
exactly!
whats she's saying is, Why make kendall's hair an afro and give her freckles. Why not hire a model who naturally has that afro hair if it is so necessary for the shoot? There were just white models in those shots. Just hire some black models too, if you love their attributes so much
Just because u don't agree with her reason doesn't make it any less valid to other people
I honestly appreciate Jeannie's input... because it's ALSO about how people PERCEIVE it ! I honestly didn't think it was a black hairstyle.... Also I have to say this - I'm gonna be real cuz this is The REAL - let's not be hypocrites and act like women don't style their hair different ways and straighten it ! You don't see white women or any other culture say : OMG HOW DARE BLACK WOMEN OR ANY OTHER RACE WEAR OUR HAIR TEXTURE ! It's foreign to ever hear them say that... there are bigger things to worry about in today's time than what hairstyle Kendall Jenner is wearing on her head... now I understand that people also seem to be contradicting of what they feel is ghetto or whatever based on who is wearing what... Someone who is black could’ve been wearing a whole Gucci ensemble with some Balenciaga thigh high boots to match and they get called names... but the moment a Kardashian’s wears the same thing they praised... and I think that’s where the true issue is... it’s not them... it’s th people who are critics and are biased
Sena miller when I say white I don't just mean Caucasian-Americans... I'm referring to Europeans
There is not one race that owns a particular hair texture...
True. But with the straight hair thing I feel like if your hair can create a style then it is yours. When black people straighten their hair it still does not look like white people or Asian people's hair so I don't consider straight theirs. They can also try mimicking a real Afro like kinky Afro and it will still not manage to look like it. So I don't attribute straight her to them unless you are wearing a wig. The closest they could get to an Afro may be 3a to 3b or 3c brushed out completely like Kendall in the photo. Or some curled up short hair.
Well for one, there is an obvious difference when it comes to power dynamics. Second, white beauty is constantly validated in the media. So for an African American to adapt to a style mostly associated with a white person couldn’t possibly result in appropriation for the opposite side. And lets not forget that for centuries black people as well as other cultures (Native Americans to be specific) have had to adapt in order to survive in a world that wasn’t meant for them. If that is a bit to much to understand, think about plagiarism. So let’s say that someone starts to copy Beyoncé. Her most iconic performances, singing styles, etc. because Beyoncé is such a huge figure and visible in the media, we can all identify her influences if it were to be replicated. But let’s say Beyoncé starts copying underground artists performances and adapting it as her own. If those artist don’t speak up, how is anyone suppose to know that it was stolen? And that every amount of blood, sweat, and tears that those artist put into their work was pointless because it’s now associated with the bigger performer. That’s the kind of frustration AA feel when white people start to adapt the same features that they once put AA down for AND on top of that, they don’t credit them! Hint: The Plagiarism comparison.
The problem is that you did not recognize it as a Black hairstyle. I swear, people refuse to acknowledge black people but love our style...
I’m so thankful for Loni on this show, she really kept it REAL even if it wasn’t the popular vote at the table but you can tell the majority of the audience were agreeing with her
Loni is a little too heated about looks and styles conversation. It’s an expression of personality I can’t carry a sign every time I get inspired to copy a look
leme tell u sum bitch. stfup cus this aint something u pass around its CULTURE
I see where Adrienne is going when she said her sister had dreads in her hair and ppl were being rude.. honestly like A said .. shes not making any money off of it or "appropriating " it, she did it because she simply liked it. .. so let her be! Honestly people there is more important things going on in the world than yo get all worked up about hair! Just don't support the Jenner's and Kardashians . Period.
You don't understand either...hair is important in Black American and African culture...Your comment is rude and dismissive
jayy 95 the appropriation happens when Adrienne’s sister is praised by other non-Black people for her “edgy” hair and Loni isn’t getting hired bc if she had dreads she’s not thought of as “edgy”.
I get to an extent what loin is saying. That she would have to have straight hair to get hired. So what about if you color or wear a blond or red wig or weave? Isn't that the same thing? I'm not trying to be rude I simple don't see what's the big deal. Anyone should wear their hair however they want. Period.
Thank you ! So fed up of all this rudeness over not appropriating hairstyles. Her sister liked the hairstyle so much that she chose to wear it herself. People praise her for that, is that her fault? NOP ! What people have to say about her hair is not her business. She didnt ask for those comments weither they were positive or negative. Black people wear straight wigs all fucking year and no one complains. You why? Because everybody is used to it. So let the world appreciate and get use to "black hair" so it wont be an issue in the futur.
@@lanmedsalopri Black women wearing their natural hair has been tried and people complained. Then black women were made to wear headwraps and still people complained. Black women straighten and press their hair, put on wigs and weaves to stop the complaining. Guess what? Now people are complaining about that too. Black women have changed their hair sooo much within the last decades and it hasn't been appreciated yet. So what makes you think it will work this time?.......Maybe we aren't the ones who need to change. Food for thought.
I am a africian American woman and I think people can wear their hair however they want. Its an expression/art form...hell I straightened my hair for years with a hot comb or perm. And look at all the weave we buy to wear their hair like white folks. Lets not even start on the hair colors. Her hair does not even look like a fro to me. No one owns a patent on hairstyles!! And yes some people act like its the best thing in the world when a Caucasian wears hairstyles that we have been wearing all the time. Kinda like the big butt thing...it was always a thing in the hood but most outside of the hood thought nothing of it til the Kardashians showed up.
Veronica can I just like your comment a hundred times?!!..I'm Latina, Native American and German and I totally agree folks act like they own the "hair patent"..LOL!!!..girl that's funny but so very true! I have naturally curly hair and a big booty..LOL ;) & I embrace it all...just as I teach my children who are also many ethnicities...(Samoan, Black, White, Indian & Mexican) and they are all beautiful even though they all look different...SELF LOVE regardless of hair, eye or skin color needs to be what matters!
Praise the lawt!!!
Also, there are black women in Africa with straight hair. Somalian, African women from Chad and many African tribes there are women with fine hair. So those who say " why do black women wear white people's hair " bullshit needs to stop. Fine hair isn't a " white" thing. So some of the fools in these comments section can miss me with that bullshit.
@@saekurosawa8596 Good point.
That is exactly what I was thinking thank you for saying it for me
I couldn’t agree with Adrienne more when she was talking about her sisters hair! Adrienne you go girl fr😩😩
Ummmm Jeannie says in another clip that someone’s culture should never be a costume and then says that Nicki Minaj’s costume was dope? Ummm total contradiction
Mary M There is a difference because many people take these cultural items and claim them as their own. These items have names and have been known for years. They take them make them a trend and all of sudden it’s a Kylie or Kardashian thing. That was the thing with the Kylie magazine you see Kylie with an Afro but her African American counterpart had straight hair. Why is it such a great style and fashionable when Kylie wore it but if an African American was to wear it, it’s unprofessional.
I think she meant is as more of a mockery. If people are wearing her culture as costume but making fun of it. I’m latin and I see people be dressing up like us but like the hood kind and they be “talking” and “acting” like us and that’s just straight up humiliating
Well I think she’s saying that Nicki Minaj wasn’t dressing up as an asian person but in clothes, NOT COSTUME, from asian descent.
@@marianaraiser3077 Exactly!
A Halloween costume is completely different than a style choice. Halloween is more fun and games and a joke and not suppose to be everyday wear, so using culture in that sense is wrong
They say everything is cultural appropriating. Smh
Im going to post my reply to another comment. I’ll say this... I think in this scenario, this was a reach and Ill agree I think us black people can be sensitive at times. But that’s not because we want to be, that’s because we HAVE to be. For years we had to allow these things to be swept under the rug and ignore the clear racism that was done to us in order to essentially survive in this society. One of the things we were also forced to do is something called “assimilate.” What I’m noticing is that people in the comments and in general keep bringing up the whole “weave” thing not realizing that they’re negating the fact that black and white women do NOT get the same starting line. We’re far behind, so in order to “survive” and catch up so to speak, we have to do something called “assimilate.” White woman don’t need to do that so when they jack off our original styles and culture that we had to give up just to catch up with them without giving our ancestors due credit, it’s hurtful and disrespectful. Because when you see your own culture not negatively affecting any others’ starting line but your own, it stings like no other. I hope you guys understand it in that way; let me know if there’s any further confusion.
+Antmlover96 I understand completely love, trust me.
Where does it end??!
We now get backlash for what you say you do what you think what you wear how you wear it..who you marry, have intercourse with what ypu do to your body, how you raise your kids, what language you speak, what ypu believe or dont believe spiritually..the freedom we are programmed to think we have is being taken from under us...Wake up!!!!we are the frog being boiled to death in the pot..slowly being simmered...wake up..race doesnt exist...do not let them divide us!!!
Black people will make a fuss about it. Loni, black people can definitely be petty
Okay......
Race card trigger happy .. at it's finest
Interesting conversation...I remember being a teenager and being grossed out by Gwen Stefani sticking a bunch of silent Asian girls behind her...it felt exploitative to me. But to each his own I guess...
Agreed. I'm a little bummed Jeannie feels that way .
Although you are upset, some Asian societies actually appreciate other ethnicities joining in on the culture.
same....
This ain’t no press and set this is a wig 😂😂😂😂 oh ma gawd I love loni’s honesty.
My question is HOW TF DO YOU GIVE CREDIT? Instagram captions? Mention it everytimebyou meet someone? Like how do non celebrities do that
They can't no matter what. As soon as people started using the culturele appropriation phrase rational people stopped taking them seriously. This is just an excuse to try and police other races.
They were talking about the fashion industry to give credit when it’s due.
akathehnic it’s not we as black people just want credits from the industry when it’s due. Last time I checked we were mocked for those features, so we want credit for our ideas and CULTURE.
Dk4eva Kamara period
sandySxoxo lmao
America has a lot of problems. Including hair
America also has the problem of taking from blacks and excusing other cultures for doing it.
I just have to be completely honest here and say: are we really gonna start saying exactly what hairstyle we have and where it originated from because I swear the world is so sensitive nowadays that’s why people call this the “snowflake generation” like seriously it’s just a hairstyle she never said that she invented it! Older generations went off fighting in wars at around 15 and we out here getting worked up over someone’s hairstyle like seriously 🙄🤦♀️
As Mexicans , we also did braids since centuries too
Laura Eniquez shut tf up
You guys did not invent that. Africans did.
Here is an explanation of cultural appropriation: If black people have had dreads for as long as we can remember and have been ridiculed, shamed and turned away from jobs then FAST FORWARD 2018 dreadlocks become a trend and all of these people (including Adrienne’s sister) start wearing them.. that is not ok. Had it not been a “trend” and people were still being ridiculed for it other races would not dare to have that hairstyle. It is unfair to take someone’s culture and use it as a trend. I’m sure Adrienne’s sister didnt have any bad intentions but I see where people are coming from. I am from Pakistan and mehndi (henna) has ALWAYS been apart of my culture, and I would get made fun of for having it, to the point where I would just cover up my hands.. NOW henna is such a big trend and everyone has it, but if people were still getting roasted for having it, then those same people getting it would not dare to have henna on their hands. You cant pick and chose when my culture is convenient to you
If dreadlocks and cornrows or an afro was stopping a white person from getting a job, they would not dare to ever have them... but for a lot of african american people it is not a choice. When something becomes trendy people want to hop on the trend but when it was being ridiculed where were these same people trying to “appreciate” the style??
Zenith Kissana you said it👏🏾
This is an outstanding analogy for this topic. I hope Adrienne and many others come to understand this perspective. I can’t really understand why every issue is suddenly supposed to be irrelevant because it’s 2018. If it were no longer an issue, we wouldn’t be speaking on it.
But if a part of your culture that used to be laughed at and ridiculed becomes a trend I don't see what should be upsetting....why not rejoice that times have changed and that part of your culture is now trending?? It's all just petty to me I'm sorry. Times change and so do people's perspectives
yes thank you for posting this. that's what adrienne's sister and people that are not black need to hear. also, i would like to point out that some hispanics can be blind to the plight of black people and see their journey as equal when it's not.
Im not American, so maybe I dont grasp the emotions from both sides fully, but since when do we all have to stay "in our lane". The world always has evolved because we "copied" each other. If one country invented something that didnt mean the others couldn't use it. So by all means if I (I have straight hair) want to tease my hair into a big "fluff" (i don't have hair to have an afro) then why not??? And if a curly haired person wants to have straight hair then why not??? This is a colorful world. Let's keep it that way. There are no "lanes" and no "credit" is due.
Preach
I totally agreed until no credit is due. African American women struggle enough to fit into society’s standards of beauty in the beauty industry. The whole thing with Kendall Jenner’s is about the brand name to get money. And this is where it become appropriate. Why not put a women with that natural hair in the shoot. If I start a trend and 10 years go by and it comes back up don’t say this person created this trend. Say this person BROUGHT BACK this trend. Y’all out here acting like it’s that hard 🤣🤣
I wish Amanda was here for this topic!
Same
Loni just needed some1 with the right wrd play to back her up
I totally get what she was tryna say
Yeah cause Loni be sweeping around the subject here. Wanna be liked but also really
wanna be saying sth 😂
“I don’t think we that petty” -Loni After a whole video of her being petty.
THANK YOU
Yup@
People always mention celebs making money off of Black culture. How about people making money off of Asian culture?
Loni I get it wigs and jobs but girl your on the real!!! This show is about diversity !! Look at tamera rocking her curls jeani rocking her tattoos obviously with the real ur gd with rocking ur own hair so take of the wig and represent black culture make it okay to rock ur hair and have an international talk show be a leader!! I cant stand people who talk but don’t act on it !
She's on the real, not the talk....
Staci Chandler they’re both talk shows ;)
You all need to hear what Lonnie said she tried to get a job in dread locs no one hired her then she wore straight hair and got hired so use your brain to understand what she is saying. She has to look a certain or should I say us black women have to look a certain way in order to get a job
Nae Nae I understand that 100% & I don’t personally think it’s fair that black people have to change their hair in order to get a job. But at this point Loni is on a tv talk show, she doesn’t have to wear her hair any type of way anymore, she’s a celebrity & she has money. At this point Loni is choosing to wear a straight wig simply because she likes that style, so in my opinion, other races should be allowed to do the same haha.
Rawan Dosari she can represent black culture just by being herself like she’s doing. I’m so tired of other races telling black women what to do with their hair. What is the obsession with black womens hair?
Howcome everytime Tamera chims in it's, "Oh we have to wrap this up!"🙄 ..shade...but why!? Adrienne over there lowkey getting shaded as well..."(I dont know where the attitude come from) but"...
Lzheadfull ofhaircare I agree. Lonnie is way too agressive. It gets boring because what’s the point of having a conversation if she’s silencing people.
Simple. Loni is petty.
I agree with Loni give the culture credit don’t try to make seem new when cultures have been doing it for years lol
Please note nicki minaj has always given credit to the Asian and Chinese culture !
Yes and I'm pretty sure she is part Asian as well
She is not part asian but yeah she's always been cool about it
什么时候？-____-
Nikki Weeks she dont know who she is
SoniB Xo she is part asian lmfao her grandpa is Chinese or something
Petty petty petty just for that loni I’m getting braids in 😂
An issue I have with conversations like these is that a lot of people are ignorant about the history of black hair and how society has influenced that. It's not just a hairstyle, it is a part of a culture, just like certain garments that are worn for specific purposes in other cultures.
Adrienne jumps on the defense when you say ANYTHING about the Kardashians. Lol
Yes I was thinking the same thing
She still kisses their ass and I have no clue why.
Cos they are her friends. If they come for tiffany haddish, try seeing how loni would react
Loni always think she can speak for the "Black community" I get so tired of that.. yet she's wearing a long pressed wig... the hypocrisy is real
Do you know what cultural assimilation is?
Well she is the only black woman on the panel, not counting Tamara who is mixed
😂😂😂😂
There’s nothing wrong w her wearing a wig, stop trying to act like all black ppl wear their hair natural 24/7. You’re the hypocrite.
@@sebdcord it's funny because you took a huge leap with that assumption and made readers think you are the pot calling the kettle black rofl. Congratulations you played yo self 👏
"I don't think we're that petty ya'll." BUT LONI YOU ARE!
I honestly thought the second picture looked like they were going for an 80’s teased look
come to south africa , you can do any type of hair here. 😋
kim kardashian doesnt need to put out a disclaimer everytime she wears braids for me to know where they originated from- unless you're ignorant and didnt realise black people have been doing braids since the beginning of time
taylormade408 Exactly!!!!
A M Blacks are as racist as whites if not worse you guys judge people by their skin color not their ethnic background. According to you if you’re not black you’re automatically white no matter your ethnic background forget that she’s Armenian n whites see us as middle eastern not “white”. N no she didn’t rename it. You wanna hate her so bad so u will be negative against her to feel better. Well all you black racist haters kick rocks cuz she’s living better than you guys have ever since you were in this country
That's true. I don't see a problem for any woman of any culture to wear their hair as they please. But when Kim wore it, the issue was that she did call them uhm Bo braids or whatever from a white woman. So that was the controversy. Black persons took offense to it because yes veloce the white woman had worn them, they were ridiculed on a black woman's head. That's where I don't like it either, but otherwise wear ur hair anyhow u darn like, can nobody tell u anything! Just don't take away from what the style is!
im sure black women have been criticised for wearing their hair a certain way (locks, braids etc.) but im white and i dont want to be put in that category, I have always looked at them as a sign of beauty and each culture has something beautifully unique -
Yes and other cultures too...this "isdue" doesnt matter
I really like Loni's explanation.. a lot of us needed to learn this becausr it is also unfair to those that get wrongly accused
I'm so glad loni is on this show
I am so glad that Jeanie and Adrianne brought up a different point of view. Black women do not have natural straight hair and nobody with natural straight hair complain about them not giving credits. Then loni explained she had to straighten her hair in order to get a job. Why would you work for someone who would not hire you base on your hairStyle? I am sure there are a lot of companies out there who see you for more than your hair. I get where loni is coming from but you can’t expect everyone walking around with a disclaimer. If you get upset with someone other than black wearing dreads without even knowing what their intentions are but solely for the fact that he/she looks like those who had done that to make money off of you then that is just petty and unreasonable. Loni is passionate/stubborn about her options but she never opens up to hearing other’s. It is kind of disappointing.
People with naturally straight hair don’t have the room to complain about African Americans or any culture with curly hair straightening their hair because like loni said simulation. Curly headed people were (are) looked down upon for their naturally curly hair and forced to conform to the naturally straight’s ideology of beauty or what they found socially acceptable to find jobs. I don’t think everyone has to have disclaimers when taking on fashion of a different culture, but just know that what you are doing or wearing was another culture’s values and to not reclaim as new or disrespect it... plain and simple
When it comes to natural hair, it is obviously more acceptable now than ever, but when Loni was coming up it wasn’t. It was looked at as unprofessional. Honestly I wore my hair naturally 2 years ago and my general manager made some comments saying that he liked my straight hair better. If he was bold enough to say that now, I could only imagine what Loni has heard.
a lot of people think natural hair that is not straight looks unprofessional. so sometimes for a job, they have no choice. esp her being on TV, they might not like her hair because it may be more coarse than Tamera's. it's not that simple
Yeah we straitened our hair, but naturally straight headed people curl their hair ? There's no room to complain.
luomanfei There are black women that have naturally straight hair my aunt is fully black and her hair grown long and straight similar to Loni’s wig. She said it’s okay for people to wear what hairstyle they want but don’t continually mock another culture and make money off of it and treat it like a trend when you could show your appreciation for that culture instead
Also, locs are not purely an African cultural hair. Asia, S. Pacific, and parts of Europe (i.e. the Celts and the Vikings) were locs and braids. But also, what Loni said.
actually originated from india from what i read somewhere
@@malibuluv209 It didn't originate from India. Please do your research. Every culture had some form of locs to either maintain their hair or was used for those who were deemed as spiritual leaders.
Africans have been wearing it way before whites invaded. It was mostly worn by native doctors/spiritual leaders.
They only wore those styles AFTER coming into contact with AFRICANS... PLEASE READ! Asian and S. Pacific people have black DNA and ANCESTORS, and so do MANY parts of Europe. The locs and braids you speak of are NOT the same thing as what blacks wear. White braids aren't even made/styled the same way as black ones are. And the locs on whites were from their not washing or caring for their hair for long periods of time. They were not intentional styling.
@Vona Rose Exactly, it never fails, we are hated yet our culture is celebrated and we are disposed of when its trendy lbvs, everybody wants a piece of our culture as if it's an accessory but look the other way when we are criticized for it!!!
I'm with Adrianne stop reaching
Shut up dummy
@samantha simon i would happily go unlike you lame ass pussy 🖕 with no face
You and adrianne don't know what you are talking about.
-from a Caucasian
Stop stealing and we all good. Simple
Lmao Adrienne and her chokers! 😂 🤦🏻♀️
Hair color and hair texture is a physical trait. You are born with it . It is not cultural. Having blonde hair isn't a hairstyle. It's a physical trait. You can't cultural apprioate a hair color or texture . Cultural has nothing to do with physical traits. Doing or having your hair in braids, bantu nots and cornrows is cultural. These hair styles are african and is tied to the African culture (black africans). And straight and blonde hair isn't exclusive to the white race. On youtube check out everybody hates angel - " black women wearing weave is NOT cultrual appriopriation " . He explains it very well .
I am sick of the dread lock example. Please look into history books. Almost every culture has had a dread locked hair style throughout history because it was easier to manage when washing hair regularly was impossible. Can we just wear cute hairstyles and not act like any one culture invented hairstyles.
if i don't wash my hair for 4 days i get knots all over and start to form dreads, leave it another week and i have a head full of dreads and maybee a little bit matted tuffs in the back.
@@Thaleya1 That's dreads but not locs. It's a different technique that's determined by the texture and structure of your curl pattern.
See thats what im talking about when it comes to Adrianian. She failed to understand what Loni was talking about when it relates to getting a job! We cant wear our hair like we want to. Its not that we dont want to but its because we have to change our hair in order to get the job. Which so crazy but true. She never had to deal with that so she cant relate.
I agree with everything they are saying here. I also understand that sometimes it’s stupid to rename something that’s been around for years that’s apart of a certain culture. I kinda disagree with Loni on us not being petty yes, some people are very petty when they see someone who’s not black wearing braids or dreads. And what Adrienne said wow some people are too sensitive.
I love how sometimes they do disagree but are still able to understand each’s point of view
Loni you no longer need to wear wigs you made it, so take the wig off. Also, Tamara rocks her own hair, so follow suit.
ellie dub if you think that you live in a bubble
Tamera and loni’s are of two different textures and I know for a fact that doing 4c hair takes longer than 30 mins if the necessary prep is not done.
A I love you but you know Kim k called her corn rows "Bo Derek braids", making them seem like a new thing. She could have just called them corn rows and acknowledged whoever gave her those beautiful braids. Simple.
Right! Kim k got half black children too smh. Hopefully she learns how to raise those kids. Wow.
Kyra B Yes, she’ll raise them as HUMAN BEINGS.
@@Stargirl-vg1hi thank u
She called them Bo Derek Braids because the overall look was inspired by a white actress that wore her hair in that style. People are too sensitive
Vona Rose okay and????.... Bo Derek made her want cornrows.
4:15 Loni tried to dodge Tam's question, talking about "we gotta wrap". 😂😂😂😂😂😂 Girl just say you don't know. I've always wondered the same thing. How come nobody say anything when black females where straight blonde wigs? 🤔 I bet if a black Male wore that type of wig people would have something to say about it.
Tam tam got a little testy,like but for why? Its just hair.
I understand what loni saying she’s right. What’s wrong with dressing like your own culture. Every white girl wants to dress black. And be black. If they have an oz. of African American in there family tree. Omg they screaming from the roof top they black. Accept it you not black. And loni is right at one time afo’s and braids cornrows that was looked down on. People wouldn’t hire u. Black women had no choice but to wear wigs. I could see y it offends black women. Because they were looked down on. But now women from other cultures are wearing,Black culture hair do’s and it’s praised. Not cool. I totally get what loni is saying. Some women and u know who u are want to be black wish they were black and claim they black. And look like fools dressing in all the black culture..and yes they do have white women that have afo’s but not many. And they usually mixed. Are albino. White women have either straight hair wavy hair are curly hair. Loni did give an answer why black women wear wigs and straight hair because that’s the only way she got hired.. pay attention to what black people had to go through. They were look down on for Afo’s and cornrows. Before you come stunting with there culture
Loni 4:40 "we gotta wrap" lol she was over the convo!
I agree with you, Loni, buy tell black women to ditch the blonde hair, and blue contacts...ie, Lil Kim...
Laura Reynolds Preach!!!
So you want loni to ditch her fake ass stright white copying weave too then? Lets do how she likes that
Vona. The point is Lonis hair isn't naturally blonde or straight. Now she's got a platform to show off her natural hair, why don't she do it then??!! Instead of continuously complaining about some white girl doing afros (wasn't even an Afro!!!), she should stop doing her hair as a white girl!!
@Vona Rose neither is dark curly hair for white women. We have that naturally as well. Or should we change what we're born with bc we wouldn't want to offend anybody.. Two wrongs don't make a right, foh
Really you're keep complaining about white people Appropriating and you keep wearing wigs or weave. I can't with my people sometimes. Oh by the way I'm Black.
Mandy Oh to what?
You really don't comprehend how it's annoying that black folks aren't allowed to represent hairstyles or fashions of their own African/Caribbean/Black American culture... but white folks are praised when they dabble in those same looks and fashions? A black girl with cornrows would be told she looks ghetto, while Kim Kardashian wears cornrows and the fashion magazines call them "boxer braids" and on trend!
@Mandy Oh 😃😃 Lol I am black Haitian. I got light skin color.
@Mandy Oh sister I am black.
Before being forced to come to America Blacks have been wearing WIGS and WEAVES... PLEASE read about your culture.
Loni did you give credit for wearing that straight hair??
Loni saying "i don't think we're that petty" lmao, no y'all are every bit THAT PETTY. Just look online.
Thank you!!!!!
Loni... I love you... But are you giving credit for that damn bone straight hair you wearing??? Be silent
Black girls can have naturally straight hair. It's not exclusive to white people.
@@jasmine-fw4yq however, hers isn't 'natural' she is also copying from another person's culture...
Peace in my soul Heavensbeauty23 also straight hair is not apart of any one single culture nor does it have any cultural attachment to it.
She's not profiting off of it and it's not something that people are ashamed for so I think you've missed the point here by quite a bit
@@jasmine-fw4yq Loni said give credit, whilst wearing it.
Honestly I feel like this family will do everything even if it means cultural appropriation of certain cultures to get a dime out of it.
Shima Amiri she just a model and this was not an Afro
1. That's not an afro or even a hairstyle created by solely black people
2. Cultural appropriation is stupid, she is not saying she invented the hairstyle, nor is she claiming it
Bre ME I think we can both agree that especially Kendall can be tone deaf when it comes to cultural appropriation....may I remind you, the Pepsi ad?
@@shimaa7732 I didn't see her Pepsi commercial, I think it was her holding a Pepsi and stopping protests or something... so what does that have to do with culture? Regardless, cultural appropriation is not a real thing, and if it is, then we're all guilty of it because all cultures have taken and borrowed from others. There is no purely unique culture
So!! You are just jealous that you don't have the kardashian money.
People are just way too sensitive 🙄
I agree with Loni, there is a fine between cultural appropriation and cultural appreciation. I personally feel like as long a you give credit where credit is due your fine. But also I don’t speak for every black person or person of color. Some people are a lot more sensitive than I am.
I am black and she looks like she was having a really bad hair day,that ain't no Afro and by the way,people will get upset regardless of what she does with her bloody self and her family..
Afro or not,she will Never look anything like me nor me her,I care less.Next
You know your comment is one of the most logical I have read.
Loni said it best... give credit where it's due & that is all!
That -to me- is called being over sensitive!
If someone takes something from your culture, you should be flattered!
We should always strive to inspire each other; in fact it kinda makes us more united and alike..😌
so, if I take for your work and rename it and claim its mine and I created it. You should be flattered... sorry that is literally plagiarism. I think any can wear what they want just call for what it is.
But I can't wear mine and get a job because your people think it's unprofessional but when you wear the same hairstyle that was seen as unprofessional you get praised for it?
Srsly
Even in the modeling industry black models are still made to straighten their hair
THIS IS WHY THEY NEED A 5TH HOST. Loni is the only one that speak up on these type of topic. Tamera try so hard not to offend her white side that she sit back on certain topics. Jeannie always trying to justice a white person actions and Adrienne either acts confused or acts as the Kardashian publicist. #bringbacktamar
People forget that there are many different forms of these cultural styles though, like there's more than one kind of afro, and it's not subjected to just poc, there are different kinds of braids. Many black people don't grow curly hair, I know black girls that grow straight hair, I don't know anyone that doesn't enjoy the look of bone straight hair and there are many ways to get it but it's still straight hair in the end. I just feel like the world has gotten to be overly sensitive and it's part of the reason that we don't have much evolution as people, and while I understand what each woman at the table is saying I just feel like does not always have to be that deep. We create more problems than there should be when look to deeply into every little thing.
Before we jump on everyone else maybe we as black women should start wearing our styles and natural hair more so that even if other races do it everyone will still know where it came from
Looking at that pic of Kendall's hair made me feel good. I'm Jewish and growing up my hair looked like that all the time and I hated how it looked and wished I could have easy straight hair. It used to make me feel bad about myself because when i would see the models and actresses they didnt usually have frizzy bushy hair like me. That look reminds me of what I grew up with but it looks glamorous and I wish famous women back then had taken pics with their hair like that. It would've made me feel more confident as a girl. Needless to say I dont see it as a purely African American hairstyle and that's what Adrienne was trying to point out in the beginning.
Their difficulty with tackling this conversation is why Amanda was added. Love and appreciate her addition
Yes I love Loni Love. She’s right they need to start giving credit where credit is due. People love to talk down on the black community but yet wanna be “black” so bad and don’t give us credit for our culture.
Rikyela Jean'e True 💯
Rikyela Jean'e If u think Kendall Jenner try or look a bit black in those vogue pictures , u need better correction for your glasses and a better mirror , cuz or u can’t see her well or u can’t see yourself well . It’s one or the other because she def looks nothing like a black person even when they “comes in all different shade “
Rikyela Jean'e you right
NO ONE wants to be black. The styles are trendy to kids, but no one wants to be black.
atalaya scott no one wants to actually be black.
I really hope you all read this...
Appropriation is loving the culture and not the PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Questions to consider when wondering about appropriation are:
Do you talk and befriend people of the culture?
Is there a disconnect with your communication with the people? Do you acknowledge where you got something from?
It's a big deal with Black people because...we are excluded from the magazines and fashion!!!
Goddamn, what is so hard to understand...
I love you Adrienne, but you are missing the point
Thank you Lani!!! She really makes me proud to be a Black woman
RIGHT
Loni does not make any sense and her logic is rather flawed with hypocrisy! Next time you come on the show give credit to the horses you got that wig from.
Black people been wearing wigs and weaves LOOOONG before coming to america. She's no hypocrite. She's trying to keep her job. The supreme court RULED 2X now that ANY employer can fire or REFUSE to hire a black person with their natural hair coming out of their scalp. It's ILLEGAL for black hair to be worn naturally in the workplace, IF the employer so CHOOSES. PLEASE don't be ignorant.
@@lmgeranaeava9749 I highly doubt black people wore wigs that looked drastically different from our real hair. I could be wrong but it doesn't seem logical
@@kwilliams6707 You are wrong. www.123rf.com/photo_32782251_old-antique-african-tribal-mask-chokwe.html
Why is it that you would rather call me wrong than look up African history? Animal hairs come in various textures from straight to wavy. Why would you insult the intelligence of African people this way? www.ancient-origins.net/history-ancient-traditions/changing-beauty-use-elaborate-wigs-ancient-egypt-005484
www.google.com/search?q=the+use+of+wigs+throughout+africa+around+3000+b.c&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwit48LvjrbeAhWSz1MKHWx7BNgQ_AUIEygB&biw=1336&bih=902
@Derrick Iosn Wow, as intelligent of a woman as she is, that's how you would talk about her. People pick up a book and read about African history and people before you start downing people this way. i SERIOUSLY hope you willing to something like this to a man. ThougH i highly doubt it.
Or the Indian people who are sometimes forced to cut their hair off to feed their kids . That is who’s hair is on your head
Adrienne looked big mad at the end.
Cultural Appropriation is taking an element from one culture and practicing or acting it without understanding what it is.
Loni is not taking Jennie's hair because black women can grow STRAIGHT LONG HAIR!
The problem that people have with cultural appropriation is the double standard that comes along with it. It is not okay to say that a black woman's afro is unruly or ghetto and then turn around and say that Kendall's hair is fashionable and all the rage.
Here we go with Loni going after the Kardashians...she had that hairstyle and never claimed it was hers from the get-go. The media spun that off. Sheesh
I think this is an American issue because of the horrific history and oppression that happened there. For example I’m in Canada and have lots of Asian friends. They enjoy when others wear their traditional styles and eat their food, they find it flattering, however their people do well here and there isn’t much resentment because they’re usually the wealthier ones among white people.
In Europe it is similar... I never really heard people complaining that others wear their styles and stuff.
I think it is even cool when foreigners wear a croatian jersey :D It just means that they like the national team and our country.
no one in the industry is going to “give credit” because it would obviously backfire for this exactly reason. no ones gonna post about kim kardashian wearing traditional black hairstyle on a positive way, because people would get offended and upset! their forced to call it something new (ie glass hair) in order to avoid some of that backlash
Thank youuu!! I have been thinking of same question too.