The Checkmark Saga Gets Even Worse
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- Twitter re-verifies accounts over a million followers.
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If you think Elon Musk wouldn't be petty enough to sit in his office late at night and keep verifying users who don't want it I've got a bridge to sell you
Doesn't Luke go to bat for Elon sometimes. He doesn't do it overtly though. Edit - I haven't found Luke defending Elon musk ever.
@@36363aceluke just tries to add opposing arguments to make the conversation interesting. it's not like he actually is on elon's side.
Doubt you have a bridge if you're too lazy to get a job.
@@chphotographix "they don't like Musk so they don't have a job" is the dumbest leap in logic I've seen in a while. Quite a few people who despise the man are notable people who are notable because of their various careers.
@@InternetsDadGaming Still massive losers. Anybody still crying about this and just not using the platform is just seething
Elon Musk EXPLICITLY said that he was personally "paying" for specific individual users to be re-verified out of his own pocket, so it's not far fetched for people to come up with a "conspiracy theory" that some of these are being done on an individual manual level.
Thats probably just a deepfake
I mean, he owns most of Twitter. So even if he was, it would mostly just be moving money from one pocket to the other. I suspect it's more like he's "paying" for it by taking in less theoretical money.
But it could have been a deepfake
The “automatic protection of large accounts against accidental de-verification” theory doesn’t hold water in the case of dril because there wasn’t a prior verification for some bug to have accidentally reapplied. It’s very clearly retaliatory.
Not to mention there wasMusk twitting and taking credit for it in the case of dril and Neil Gaiman.
not to defend musk, but you can't trust a word that man says lmao - specially when taking credit about something
No idea if it was retaliatory or not, but I think you misunderstood what Linus and Luke were saying - I thought they said "Accounts over a million followers were getting automatically given a verification, and there is an underlying system that that a would automatically re-verify accounts to protect against accidental de-verification". It seems like you understood it as "automatic re-verification of accounts that were verified under the previous system".
not really
make a query that grabs all users with 1M+ followers, if they are not verified do that
launch that function periodically and your previous status doesn't matter
here you go, this "bugged" function does that
why would that function exist/be a cron task? I don't know, but saying that it can't exist is wrong (like the deepfakes defence... reality doesn't exist anymore T_T)
No, it's definetly elon doing it. Steven King tweeted that he did not subscribe for blue and did not add his phone number and elon replied to that tweet basically saying "you're welcome".
Seems they now fixed the wording of verification on all account to just "this account is verified".
Strong legal defense. “It was a bug that this message didn’t appear sooner”
Maybe a running Jacob's Ladder fell on them and they noticed their mistakes. 💀😉
Alternative theory: Musk chose to reverify famous people and companies because seeing so many of them without the blue check made it a worthless symbol, since the whole thing he's trying to sell is the prestige of the blue check.
The "costs" of gifting them Blue are written off as marketing fees. A gift from a company is always marketing.
it’s literally to just make other users think people are actually paying for it and they get FOMO
Elon did it to several people on purpose just to troll them. LTT most likely not though.
@@SnifferSock That's the story you eat up from your daddy Elon. "Haha such a troll master".
He's doing it so it appears to the general public that celebrities like twitter blue and so they want to subscribe too. Instead of the reality of the majority thinking it's a dumb idea that nobody likes.
@@AlphaSteam2 i'm certainly not going to pay Elon for the privilege of him selling my account info to make more money off me. Elon should be paying users - more followers you have, more coin you get.
@@cmerritt6799
1. He isn't selling your data. He is suing OpenAI (a company he co-founded) for using Twitter's data illegally (allegedly). His whole game is to make Twitter profitable without ads, and to target ads without releasing user data to any 3rd party.
2. He is going to pay creators soon. I don't know the details yet, but likely you won't get paid for just having followers, you'll have to drive engagement, or ads, or generate value some other way.
3. You don't have to pay. You can use Twitter for free, but less people will see your tweets.
4. Verification is also necessary to keep bots in check, which is becoming exponentially harder with the AI revolution. And paying for the blue checkmark is making large bot attacks not just very hard to execute, but also very expensive. This is why it's happening so fast, it became an urgent problem suddenly.
@@andrasbiro3007 He IS selling your data. Even Twitter blue users see ads, so it's dumb to say "His whole game is to make Twitter profitable without ads" when it's clearly and factually false.
Force advertisers to be also use verified as well is a perfect adblocking tool. Having people verified above the people you followed or actually cared about makes these methods of adding custom twitter blue script using ublock.
Force any advertisers? What about local/small businesses that want a growth platform
@@diaduckk Don't use Twitter? Like all the other big advertisers that have slashed their budget on the platform due to Blue-Checked Neo-Nazis showing up above their advertisements?
You don't think twitter management is petty? Thats a good one!
The more Elon Musk runs Twitter, the more I realize his insane wealth is likely a fluke and the more I doubt the capabilities of his other companies to remain solvent long term.
don't know if it's just me, but I enjoy the regular twitter digressions during the WAN show. Deactivated a while back so it's a good way to keep up with the trash fire over there
I see this a lot and I'll say this again: if your twitter/facebook feed is toxic that's entirely your fault. they give you all the tools to manage your feed.
@@richardbottom9843 What are you talking about? I'm referring to this checkmark nonsense, Musk's team breaking/adding features at random etc.
If your Twitter feed is toxic it means you've been on twitter. The only way to not have a toxic twitter is by not using twitter.
@@GamingDad ah so you're exactly one of those people I've described. tech illiterate then complains the feed is bad
@@richardbottom9843 you clearly don't actually use Twitter. Not a single. Thing on the "for you" tab is even remotely relevant to my following, favs, retweets, or accounts I interact with.
There was a huge "Block the Blue" threat going on. He had to give people who didn't want Blue, Blue, otherwise the Block the Blue strategy would diminish the value of those with Twitter Blue.
I don't know why they can't just have "official account" written on the account of public figure and keep the Blue tick as a paid for thing.
Because the only thing they have to sell the check on is the prestige of it, make that worthless even less people will buy it
And now yesterday they changed the wording to just say the users are verified. Probably got threatened with legal action by Kobe’s or Michael Jackson’s estate lol
Cool story.
@@chphotographix wtf is your problem? Musk literally broke the law by forcing dead celebrities to "endorse" him and Twitter... its VERY clearly against the law what he did, he should be sued into oblivion.
With patience and saliva, the ant swallowed the elephant.
I knew a different version...
I think i know THAT version
If you think Elon isn't petty enough to make sure his main critics of twitter blue are given it, you havent been paying attention. Also the 1million followers thing has been proven to be wrong. Plenty of accounts over a million dont have it for free, and others under a million do.
What I'm realizing now is that I'm one of the few people who actually remembers what "petty" means. How is this "petty"? With that shaky logic, Linus himself is signficantly more petty. Yeah, once you actually look up the definition of "petty", the "he's so petty" comments become a lot more confusing. Yes, I'm obviously aware that Linus is petty for entertainment value and it's a part of his online persona (mostly only on WAN show too).
@@awesomeferret forcing people to promote a product they hate and would never buy themselves (illegal) to own the libs.
Textbook definition of petty.
@@awesomeferret Just because you know an archaic meaning of petty doesn't mean you know "the" meaning of petty. English is not a prescriptive language, the authority on what "petty" means is what people think it means, not what smug folks who read etymology sections to try and feel superior to others think it means.
Pretty based if you ask me.
@@awesomeferret lol sounding like someone who *definitely* knows what petty means.
The "It's a bug" argument doesn't really hold water considering the amount of time this has been happening and has been openly talked about.
My biggest issue with Twitter lately is they've made it impossible to use without an account. I can view accounts if I go directly to them, but both search and trending require a login now.
part of the issue is the bot mess, part of the incentive of bots is how easy it is to just scan the shit out of the webpage, to the tune of 10' to 100's of thousands of tweets, which allows them to gain insights into trends ... which builds the incentive for bots to exist.. etc. That's my "best guess" anyway.
Here's to hoping it will change back to being more open.
I use a browser extension that lets you browse Twitter without an account; it's a lifesaver
@@planefan082 name?
Yeah it's annoying googling something, getting Twitter results right at the top, clicking to just see an image and getting asked to log in.
I wish Google allowed me to just not see Twitter results without having to add extra "-twitter" type arguments to every search
I use nitter. Works pretty good.
I think not even the people at twitter really know what's going on with verification anymore
Ah yes. Elon's public statements during a presentation in front of hundreds of people and streamed live online was a deepfake. The perfect defence /s
There was a fake Disney UK twitter channel that got a gold tick.
maybe Twitter should just make a statement saying that anyone with over a million followers receives verification for free instead of making people guess about how their platform works
They want it to look like people are buying Twitter Blue subscriptions though
I just like to watch it burn, and some of the celebs absolutely seems to be salty first for losing it and then for having all the plebs getting blue checkmarks because then how can they filter them out?. :)
The entire point of the bluecheck was to stop impersonators. The obsession that perma-online losers had about the ‘bluecheck mafia’ has come crashing into reality.
Now the only ones needing to be blocked are the bluechecks.
Also, the repeated outright admission in comment sections like this that the blue checkmarks were NOT "just a verification", but a **badge of honour for being someone the previous Twitter management liked** - and they are now boiling with hatred at having their safe space and special status taken out from under them. I absolutely love it.
There's some people that don't have 1 million followers that got verified anyway
If you belong to a noteworthy organization they'll verify you based on that connection.
Effectively everything is back to the way it was before except celebrities with under 1m followers have to pay for verification and now people who weren't notable can also pay for a checkmark.
Get with some of these people for a class action.
You are being associated with someone and their brand in a way you didn’t ask to be and have stated you don’t want.
They are doing this to promote Twitter Blue, so they owe you money for the endorsement.
Its probably in the terms and conditions bruh. You agreed to it.
@@TSMSnation ToS does not overturn law, the actual problem is nobody's going to waste 5-6 figures pursuing such a pithy matter.
@@TSMSnation you cannot sign away rights in violation of other laws (the use an extreme example, slavery is illegal, even if you sign a contract that makes you a slave)
You also cannot change the terms of a contract without the consent of both parties. (For example, if you sign a mortgage, your bank cannot decide that your interest rate needs to go up because they feel they got a bad deal, without your explicit consent. The contract is the contract)
Given that twitter blue did not exist until roughly a few months ago to a few weeks ago (depending if you want to use the announcement or the actual launch) and these are accounts that have existed for much longer than that, this would be an invalid legal argument as they updated the terms without consent of the users and also…they are violating their own terms by giving this service to some people for free and charging other people for the service. They aren’t obliged to offer it to everyone for free or charge everyone, but they can’t force an unwanted service onto people that do not want it (for the same reason your local grocery store cannot force you to try the free samples or have trying them be a required part of shopping at the store…unless they make that clear before entering the store.)
@@MediaMunkee not individually. But if the could convince a judge to combine many cases due to a shared quality of the people filing the lawsuits, like say, being a celebrity or otherwise making money from selling endorsements and sponsorships, then you could spread legal costs across all plaintiffs.
This is what people mean when they say “class action” lawsuit. It is a means of “leveling the playing field” in cases where an individual has no hopes of fighting their case and the harm has been done to many people. You combine the cases into one big case.
And this isn’t some tiny thing. How much do you think any of the people they mentioned charge for an endorsement or sponsorship? I can’t speak to any specifics at all, because I am not a celebrity or Internet personality, but I’ve heard people say numbers in the thousands for a minute long spot in a video. This is a 24-7 visual endorsement. I am not sure how you would quantify the value honestly, but that strikes me as being more valuable than a CZcams sponsorship.
And some of these are people whose endorsement is worth way more than an ad spot in an LTT video. Like…how much do you think an endorsement from Lebron James costs?
@@davidnotonstinnett you can sign away right to liability though. and right to sue, or something similar.
I'd like to think Elon saw how indifferent they were to it and he was like "nah they are okay"
I love yhe hate for twitter, i just wish it happened long ago because twitter has always been garbage
*Linus says something potentially career-ending.*
Linus: *Doesn’t apologize (or even recognize) it*
Luke: *Digs him out of the hole*
*Luke makes one slightly offensive joke*
Linus: *Overreacts, refuses to help him*
Luke: *Admits, apologizes, moves on*
0:38 "It's Twitter; I don't care."
4:43 "Twitter sucks."
Some were definitely given out of Spite. Matt Binder is a prominent critical of Twitter and was given a checkmark with only 200K susbscribers at most
And right off the bat Linus drops a smooth brain take - "the narrative that people made up in their own heads that celebrities are mad that they're losing their checkmark."
Dude, at least one celebrity literally tweeted about just that (I believe it was Bette Midler). Numerous others pulled the reverse psychology move - "I don't care about verification anyways. If I have to pay for it, I don't *want* it."
So yes, celebrities very much care about being "set apart" from the rank and file and were mad when Twitter took that from them.
A little update to this video. Twitter has threatened to reassign the NPR account. (NPR has refused to post on the platform)
Savage Luke, absolutely savage.
As long as your okay with people saying the same when he dies. But nobody will probably remember Luke anyway.
Fun fact the day Jerry springer died is also the day that the woman who accussed Emmett Till also died.
For those not aware of who Emmett Till was or why alot of people are happy to hear this here is a synopsis
This happpend in the 50s in America when racial tensions were very high and segregation was still legal.
Emmett (a black man) was on vacation visiting family in the south minding his own business he visit a corner store one day bought some items and went back to his family's home that he was staying at. Later that night a group of white men beat down their door pulled Emmett out of his bed in the dead of bight beat him to an inch of his life then lynched him and left him to hang.
Why did they do this? Because some white woman said that he had accosted her (not that he'd harmed her but essentially that he had cat called her).
Many years later she finally admitted it was a lie and he did nothing she'd seen him walking down the road and that was enough for her.
Emmett mother made sure that the funeral was an open casket so that in her words "They can look and see what they did to my boy"
Emmett Till was a 14 year old BOY. Not a MAN. He was accused of whistling at the woman, not anything more egregious. Those men killed a child over an accusation.
If twitter verified any political opponent couldn't that be considered a political donation or aid?
Twitter is the bathroom wall for the planet...Thanks for the video
i always thought the blue check should have just been if you prove your the person the you get a check. when only famous people got it i stopped caring about it
That's what the original concept was, and it was a sensible idea. Then it turned into a gold star from teacher (Twitter management) for posting what they wanted to hear on their "platform", and they took it away from legitimate accounts who didn't.
Big names are being given free verification because big names are what give the badge the value. Content creators or influencers who would pay the subscription don't want to pay for verification so that they remain sympathetic to their fans. By making it paid, Elon is monetizing social groups, which distances public figures from common people.
It's one thing to show adds on a website. It's another to make public figures, especially influencers, pay to make it easier for fans to find them. An influencer's Twitter profile effectively becomes an add if they pay for verification. People don't want to go on Twitter to engage with an add, they want to engage with a person or group. Elon isn't being malicious. He's trying to increase revenue in a way that shows that he fundamentally misunderstands one of the main reasons people go on Twitter.
The Twitter Blue checkmark is like type 2 herpes; Elon Musk gives it to you and you can't get rid of it.
This is the dumbest thing for people to get upset about.
Luke being the MVP right there.
Of course elon will double down on his gaslighting and lies by saying it could be a deep fake 😑
This sounds like such pandering and virtue signaling.
Crying because you have a verified checkmark?
I think that social media accounts of people that have died should be immediately shut down by the platform.
wooow you people are too damn important that u never wanna be seen as someone who needs to pay 8$
They should at least changed it to "gifted a Twitter Blue"
This whole checkmark saga is exactly two things: pathetic and a bit sad. I mean, he went on and on about how wonderful Twitter would be under his leadership, and he's proved at every single step that he doesn't know what he's doing, and he doesn't deserve to be rich enough to buy a company.
Btw, the badge now days "This account is verified". This thing keeps changing
Calling users "Verified" without verifying who they actually are is straight-up fraud.
It’s almost like making core platform changes daily is a bad idea
And when Stephen King complained about his checkmark being restored without his consent, Musk thought that King was _thanking_ him.
No, he didn't, he was rubbing the proverbial salt in and it was funny as hell to see.
You said "Too Soon" and I feel like I gotta sample this now...
geez Luke.. that was a comment and a half XD. I missed it the first time, then rewatched and pretty much had a mix of linus' and luke's reaction XD. What a wild way to end a video
If someone earns the checkmark, they should keep it.
Elon is petty enough to check if people really don't want a checkmark and personally handle them one.
2:00 there was one person who kept changing their name to remove the checkmark only for it to get added back a few minutes later, so maybe?
OK so I just realized that they mentioned the person lol
If you're wondering why Linus or any CZcams creator makes videos about Twitter despite hating it to the point that they want to leave it or already have, it's because of trolls. Yes, that's right, it's BECAUSE of trolls: the more comments on CZcams videos, the more CZcams recommends the video because it's "engaging" to the algorithm, so they get more money making videos that cause fights. Everyone's laughing all the way to the bank except you.
If you don't like it don't use twitter. Twitter will be forced to change its tune if tons of large accounts are disabled and people go elsewhere.
People need to stop seeing twitter and other platforms like it as important.
Dave Chappelle made a joke that the R. Kelly tape couldn't be trusted because the piss could be CGI, Tesla's lawyers might as well have said the same thing.
Should have thrown a chair in memorial of Jerry Springer.
Liking this strictly based on Luke taking a stance on Jerry Springer lol
When dealing with decisions made by groups of people 'intention' becomes a much cloudier concept. A lack of blue checkmarks could have devalued the blue checkmark. Having a blue checkmark might have made you look desperate and thirsty. Having a policy which is allowing for easy distribution of blue checkmarks fights against that. This can be done actively or because finding bugs which erroneously turn them on is a low-priority task because they are potentially helpful rather than harmful.
Don't worry guys Jerry Springer wasn't a fan of his work either.
we just need to throw the whole Twitter out.... i was going to say "... and start over." But nah, just throw it away, no need to start over. Oh throw tik tok away too. garbage
If you think that LeBron James and Stephen King don't want the checkmark because they're 'outraged it's not special anymore', that tells me more about _your_ worldview than theirs.
Cope harder.
@@WraithOfMan What do you think I am coping with, Corvin? Or to put it another way, what are you imagining people are upset about?
That was wrong. But also he literally just said a few months ago he views his tv show as a major part of the downfall of american society. So like, maybe he agrees?
This comment section is... certainly something.
Imagine working at Twitter right now. What a stressful environment.
5:20. Please someone take this man to an open mic. Nailed it.
I thought Elon was a peerless genius?! What’s with all the rookie management mistakes? Does this mean even media coronated big brain geniuses can screw sh*t up?! Noooo! 😂
Breaking Shocking News!: "Twitter Sucks!"
celebrities have been outraged, that's why it's funny
I watch the LTT segments about Twitter just to see how much it frustrates Linus, even though it has zero negative effects on him or LTT.
@Blue Brain should use internet less, make brain less mad perhaps?
And you can see above me a conversation between people that think not using twitter makes you smarter
@@TheXavierfull You’ve got eyes too? And what using twitter = intelligent? You boys would get along with Redditors.
I'm glad "verification" is dying. We are all supposed to be equal, right? The "verification" gives some users (bourgeoisie ("celebrities")) special privileges
It didn't until Muck brought the platform.
@@leviticus2001 It absolutely did. Verification enabled them to completely block seeing any comments from anyone other than the other verified users, as well as other features
@@funkymunky7935 Nope, I was there before the buyout. It served absolutely no purpose other than to prove you were the celebrity you claimed you were.
how is Elon so bad at this. like unbelievably bad. like how does an average intelligence human being mess up so much and never do anything right. its not possible
It’s because he’s far below average intelligence
Arrogance is an intoxicating drug
The irony
Cocaine is a hell of a drug
He probably wouldn’t be being *as* stupid if he hadn’t been forced to pay 3x what twitter was actually worth and scramble to pull some value out of it.
good stuff! oh and look, that wasn't too far :)
Linus is supposed to be the spicy one Luke! Wow! (watch to the end 😉 )
Elon got forced to buy twitter by court after he teased it publicly. I think it's safe to say he's trying his best to get his money back and burn twitter to the ground
He doesn't like consequences!
Isn't in fascinating how conspiracy theories have been normalized by people who usually claim to hate that kind of thing? Objectively speaking, and for very obvious (to many, hopefully most people) reasons, your comment is a conspiracy theory. If you're aware of that, then free speech is a thing and more power to you. I really don't think these kinds of theories are helpful for anyone, though.
He not just teased, he signed a contract. But then he claimed that Twitter lied about how many bots are on the platform, and tried to negotiate a lower price. Also with the ad business tanking through 2022, Twitter was valued at $20B by the time he finally bough it, less than half of what he had to pay.
And I'm not sure what you think about running a business, but generally the way to get your money back is to make it successful, not ruining it. Elon already made Twitter far better than it was before, and he's just starting. The drama is 90% artificial because the media is freaking out over the new competition, and the remaining 10% is just growing pains.
@@andrasbiro3007 It's also worth pointing out that prior to Musk's takeover, Twitter was a **deeply unprofitable organisation** which was being propped up by investors and their US government friends who had interests in utilizing the site to manipulate public and political perception - the ones we've come to expect: Vanguard and BlackRock.
This is old but we know for a fact they are doing it to be petty
They ARE subscribed to twitter blue, Musk admitted to paying for them himself
Pro tip: stop using it
Elon Musk literally replied "you're welcome" to Stephen King being mad bc he got Twitter Blue without paying or consent
It's mot a tinfoil ha theory, Elon Musk is the pettiest guy ever
That's actually embarrassing for you, wow. You are INCREDIBLY sheltered if you think Musk is even close to the pettiest. Did you not hear about some people named Biden or Trump? Good gosh.
@Blue ah, so you ARE just trolling (I know you can't explain how what I said was embarrassing without proving yourself wrong). I should have known from the "blue" name, haha. Come on now, pretending that Musk is more petty than Trump is embarrassing.
Petty:
(of behavior) characterized by an undue concern for trivial matters, especially in a small-minded or spiteful way.
Yes, you could argue that technically, this comment is a bit petty too. It appears to be justified though, considering your response.
@@awesomeferret In a way you are right as these are not trivial matters.
I can still view all of my comments. This is only my third comment.
@Blue here's the original:
That's actually embarrassing for you, wow. You are INCREDIBLY sheltered if you think Musk is even close to the pettiest. Did you not hear about some people named Biden or Trump? Good gosh.
Remember when it was Republicans who were the helicopter parents? Lol. As if that comment could be "offensive" enough to remove, considering some of the actual hate I get on here.
Here we go again… 😮
People complaining about it are the ones who can afford to pay for it. It's a dumpster anyway.
Twitter will be fine. It's making structural changes to the platform and it will work itself out.
Structural changes like removing load-bearing columns one at a time.
just pay the 8$ xD
Does Linus address Meat Canyons use of the hard r in this WAN show?
I miss the old Twitter before Elon "had too much plastic surgery" Musk took over 😔
how do you know this LMG clip is real?
Musk himself is petty enough.
Forcibly is not the right term.
I love the dumpster fire that bird app is.
Luke! dude is brutal haha
I've never seen a bunch of grown men cry about Twitter as much as Linus does
Why are you crying about this?
@@alexpkeaton4471 I'm not I'm making a statement Linus makes one video at least every week crying about Twitter LOL why are you crying about me
💯 The amount of rent free space Elon has in Linus's brain is ridiculous.
@@nathanddrews love how THEY DONT CARE about it so much that they make 3 vids a week on it
honestly whatever pisses of twitter users I'm down for
Checkmark is to verify someone is whoever they claim to be.
And if you can pay for that it no longer functions as a verification.
I understand that you can't verify everyone free due to costs. But simply selling the checkmark doesn't verify shit
I like you guys . Dispite your popularity
I mean, Linus is probably right here, its probably just a bug, but Twitter management is Elon Musk...it's pretty much impossible to overstate his pettiness.
@Steven S. and with a reason, he can as petty as he can get away with it, to keep his status, and even at that he fails.
@Steven S. Lol...okay buddy...whatever you say.
Y'all leave Jerry alone!