Is the Steam Deck Still Relevant?
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Why hasn’t LTT used the Steam Deck as a comparison point in its most recent videos about video game handhelds? Ft. The ROG Ally X.
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Considering how everyone else trying to copy the steam deck in their own way and blowing up in their faces. Yes...
Everyone is copying the Switch. Not the Deck.
PC handhelds only got popular after the steam decks release...
@@TheNinjaCrashWhatever helps you sleep at night
@@TheNinjaCrash right after the success of the deck, instead of the switch? I really doubt that
@@TheNinjaCrash Everyone is coping the psp not the Switch
After the GN video, I would still rather take my dual booted 512GB Steam Deck over the Asus.
Yeah asus is dead for me, too.
I hope for the orangepi neo
Steam deck is a good option for the everyday people, as long as the games are playable. Only real issues I’ve run into for games is ones like anything EA needs to use their launcher and their launcher doesn’t work on steam deck, or I haven’t figured it out.
@@ryanhamstra49there’s bypasses by going offline, using heroic etc. etc. many methods to circumvent them third party launchers
@@ryanhamstra49 i dont own any ea games other than it takes two the ea launcher seems to work fine for me
@ryanhamstra49 I dual boot mine with windows for anything that doesn't run(/well) in Steam OS.
It can feel a bit janky at times and requires specific drivers, but again, I'd still rather do this than own an Asus equivalent as of now.
Price to performance shows without a doubt it is still relevant
Battery life too. Frankly, all that power is wasted if the price/value just isn't there, and you're tied to a charger on what should be a portable device.
@@sergeigarcia186 Steam deck has crap battery life 2 hours playing portal 2 and that is in Valves own words so its actually even less then that
Yeah the refurbished LCD model from Valve was like 279USD wasnt it?
Screen quality and battery life as well.
Plus, the ui on the deck is really easy to use, and built for the device it runs on. No handheld windows device can be as easy to use.@sergeigarcia186
Linus gets to live with hardware every day of his life. For most users Steam Deck is still the best on the market, especially for price to performance. The answer is absolutely yes and will be for the foreseeable future.
I bought a Steam Deck immediately when you could pre-order one and use it all the time. I also have access to mess around with a Legion Go at work and wouldn't ever consider trading the Deck for one. Valve nailed the size, weight, and ergonomics. Ironically, they're also able to provide a more seamless experience of running Windows games than a device running actual Windows, because they have more control than Lenovo ever could. On the Go you have to mess around with a bunch of more or less janky settings panels to get good performance and battery life, which basically ends up turning all the impressive specs into a complete waste of money.
I would recon the Steam Deck has the best most active community.
@@MiniBeasthere's no "recon". It is the only
I don't see how this point applies here
Most users won't install windows on a steam deck either so steam deck being not being windows is a BIG drawback that even the less savvy of customers would consider. Linus is not that kind of customer and he still made that choice
@@zensafterglow4269 For vast majority of deck users no windows is the actual big positive... if i need windows i get on my desktop/laptop
They are trying to make the Index 2 the best VR headset ever, because they know they won't ever release an Index 3
But don’t forget the Index Alex ;P
@@_Magnuss_Or the Index 2 chapter 2
@@cadergatorCan't have the Index 2 Chapter 2 without the Index 2 Chapter 1
That explains why Steam Deck 2 is taking a while. Once that comes out, that's it.
Steam Deck 1% lows are godly. Especially on lower power TDPs compared to its competition. Like there's really no competition if you actually want battery life
I got like 6 hours of gameplay from my modded Stardew Valley on battery. Steam Deck's low TDP power draw is king.
@@sajhinoSteam Deck can play games at lower power draw than Windows handhelds use idling.
windows is just not that optimized when it comes to handhelds, steam os for the go
Windows vs SteamOS plays no significant role in the differences in battery life between the SD and Ally. SD simply has a custom APU chosen for its lower power efficiency.
@@conchobar That is false, both are a factor.
Is the Steam Deck Still Relevant... watching this on my Steam Deck
lmfao same
im watching this on a palm tungsten e2. so i guess thats still relevant too lol
@@dylanallen7720 hell yeah it is love PDAs
oh sick, how did you do that?
@@dergoose9882 I’m actually curious how you watch CZcams on the steam deck as well, at least so it’s as easy as just pulling it up on my iPhone
Track pads! Not enough people seem to bring up trackpads! Steamdeck is just so easy to use on point and click games. Having to use a joystick as your mouse is *garbage*
Exactly, and they have lots of uses in games with the action layer stuff where you can rebind them to do lots of different things
I messed with the ally at a best buy and hated using the sticks as a mouse. The buttons don't feel as good as the deck as well. I love the trackpads on my deck.
Trackpads, 4 back buttons, capacitive joysticks, gyro… it’s peak input
Absolutely this! I love the trackpads especially on the right size for camera control.
Windows is far more touch friendly than Linux, so for many instances, you actually dont need trackpads nor joysticks for mouse controls.
Until windows handhelds can be priced as competitively ($350 Deck vs $699 Ally), have the same battery life (2-10 hours Deck vs 1-4 hours Ally), while maintaining the same hardware quality (SD card Ally issue) and polished software experience (windows battery drain + poor UI scaling). Yeah, I think everyone's confident the Steam Deck will stay relevant.
Windows license price is one of the thing that prevents any Windows handhelds from getting cheaper. The price would be reduced by like 150 dollars if they ditch Windows and use Linux instead
And honestly if a game dev isn’t going to put forth the effort to get their game working on Linux then the game was probably not that good in the first place, the only exception being older games that barely work on windows anyway.
@@sihamhamda47SI’s dont pay full price on windows keys
Windows handhelds will never work because they're running full windows OS on their pieces of junk. If microsoft is smart enough they'll import xbox into the portable market and have a built in gamepass/gamepass cloud on it.
@@sihamhamda47 Doesn't MS offer free licenses for devices with a screen size of 7" and less?
Steam Deck is still the best handheld on the market
I'm daily driving one. dock, monitor, keyboard and mouse. Games and Netflix. best Purchase of my life.
Best console on the market.
Agreed 100 percent
Worst performance, worst compatibility, and it’s the best one? 🤔
@@melancholyentertainmentbest screen, best battery life, best user experience, best price, best features, best customer support, most stable performance, best controller
I think linus sometimes is a little out of touch with reality he is too exposed to high end tech, that doesnt experience the actual benefits, steam deck experience even if is the same hardware, is totally different from what it was 6 months ago... the software upgrades are incredible
I think he's also vastly underestimating Steam deck's inbuilt support for the trackpads and steam input. The RoG ally is stronger, but tracks and steam input along make me automatically favor it over the ally.
@@Sandact6 yeah but they are so focus on numbers and benchmarks, that I think they miss the point of a console, we all have pcs too, or at least most of us, if we want performance we know where to look
Have they made it so you can download Game pass games on the system?
@@zensafterglow4269 not yet, only xbox cloud, but I will not be surprised if that happen soon, you can already play, epic, ea, gog games
@@ArcadeTVx Which is ironic, as they are the last place I would go for hardware benchmarks
given the shit ASUS is pulling that GN brought to light, I'd say it's still pretty relevant
100% Agree. I won't buy any of their products and I used to love them.
What's GN?
Gamers Nexus. Asus tried to make them pay for a repair that was supposed to be under warranty.
The answer is yes... I absolutely love the Steam Deck OLED I have.
I think the reason Valve isn't releasing SteamOS on its own MIGHT be because of Nvidia's shortcomings on Linux. Especially with something called Wayland. For non-Linux people, it's basically a graphical backend that the entirety of the Linux community is **slowly** transitioning towards. Due to Nvidia having spotty compatibility with certain features within Wayland, (I'm skipping a lot of details here because it gets VERY inside baseball) but I can imagine Valve wants to wait until Nvidia gets off its ass and finally fixes compatibility. It makes sense that they want to make sure the experience is as absolutely seamless as possible on both AMD and Nvidia cards. Thankfully this is actually happening soon! The Nvidia update is supposed to happen sometime around early June so I would like to think that Valve will work out their own OS and build those systems before they fully release a desktop version of SteamOS. I know I'll be making a few videos whenever it drops!
So the Desktop SteamOS might be closer than we think!
There is also the open source driver, which seems to make a lot of progress with nvk.
Valve also generally seems to releases some fixes here and there for all the open gpu drivers (not just amd), wayland and other important parts.
So yeah, it's likely they do all that also to prepare the os release, and when it's ready, we will finally get it.
Nvidia on wayland has been getting way better and wayland got explicit sync recently and the nvidia driver will have explicit sync for wayland in their 555 driver version. This change is big btw. The driver beta should be coming out in May 15
@@nainmain Yeah, this was what I was dancing around lmao. And the explicit sync is coming to Kwin and KDE in June. I'm hoping that's what Valve is waiting on but who knows. we'll get it when it's ready!
@@PaV_Live wait Kwin has not merged it yet? Like I thought it did since kde is usually faster with new stuff. Even gnome pretty sure has already merged and released mutter with explicit sync.
@@nainmain the beta's might, but the full release will be with KDE 6.1 which is coming in early June. That's my main DE so I'm not too sure about mutter or gnome, tbh. and as much as I want it now, I know I want to wait for a full release and I'm sure most normal-ish people will wait for it too
I'd love to think workers at valve come up to upper management like "hey boss, I got a great idea" and the boss just goes "does it cost less than a bajillion dollars?" and if the answer is yes they just go "sure, go ahead"
You're not far off actually. Valve employees are allowed to work on any project they want, the only hurdle is that at the end of the year every employee ranks several other random employees on productivity.
I mean, basically.
Because Valve is (thankfully) a private company, they are run however Gabe Newell wants. Fortunately for all of us, Gabe seems to have a pretty great idea of how to run a company so that it provides the very best experience for the customers. The problem with publicly traded companies in my opinion, is that they are run to provide the best experience for the shareholders, which causes the actual customers to have a worse experience/product.
I’m not saying this will always be the case, but of the companies that are worth $1B+, Valve is easily the most customer experience focused company on the planet imo.
@@votch2798that was in the past, the last time I read about Gabe cutoff some of that freedom
@@reiniermoreno1653I think some of the freedoms were reigned in a bit to help get projects done. So many projects never went anywhere after portal 2 and the company-wide "shutdown". The reason HL:A got completed is because valve set up some traditional project management to keep things moving along up to release.
@@KaminKevCrew This is why I think Worker Consumer Cooperatives would work a lot better than a shareholder run economy, but current shareholder investment would prevent that from happening.
The moment steam os hits.... my windows install is going to the bin.
There are also forms of an Linux system, that are like SteamOS but also nowadays available. Even with other basis like the Fedora Atomic-based Bazzite.
PopOS is already mega usable, has distributions with GPU drivers installed (which can be a major pain point in new Linux installs)
I'm just waiting for Proton to support 2 games that I play, Tower of Fantasy and Genshin Impact, before ditching Windows again.
I started playing those 2 years ago and had to jump to windows after 10 years of only linux
@@thenayancat8802 after trying pop, nobara runs pop into dust. im currently using th kde enviroment, so it feels like steam os, and lots of winetricks and improvement stuffs preinstalled. it is heftier than pop, but gnome isnt super newbie frindly aaand i had more graphical issues on pop
Might have to do the same myself. Windows is really pissing me off these days. I swear the base OS fills up a 256gb drive just with the install and my computer legit uses over 8gb of ram just to exist.
I think the Deck reaches a really good balance between the console experience and the flexibility of a PC. You "can" mess around with things, add third party apps and stores, mod your games, adjust graphics sliders, etc., but you also have a gaming optimized OS that isn't secretly installing "recommended" software in the background or any other nonsense and allows you, if you want to, to just hit install and play your damned games.
Considering Asus continues to violate warranty policy and returned a device to a customer in a disassembled state, yeah fuck the alternatives for now.
that didnt happen
That didn't happen. Asus did the right thing in the end. If you're referring to the gamers nexus video
I am extremely biased because my Steam Deck is my primary handheld and desktop machine. I moved to Germany and haven't been able to take a fair bit of my tech with me. So the Steam Deck has allowed me to keep the vast majority of my library with me. I also partitioned the drive to run windows so I could get a no compromises Epic Game Store experience on it (I spent 5 weeks trying to get the kingdom hearts series running on the linux side and just couldn't do it). But even so, that is a pro for the Steam Deck. It is customizable enough and user friendly enough that I can modify it like a PC. Plus, I think having the brand name of Valve and Steam on a product actually does a lot for a consumer.
I got kingdom hearts running on the steam os, but it took me several hours to get it to do so
Agreed, traveling to another continent and work from there for around a month and bring all my games and personal computer that easily is impressive. With s total cost of 250 eur. Best ROI in all my devices 😂
I also moved countries, sold everything and bought a steam deck. Was my primary PC for over a year. I am an experienced Linux user, and mine runs incredibly smoothly for work and play.
@@Vermathoraxhow do you manage the updates that wipe out what was installed outside of the installers ? Or you can have everything trough them ?
@@robertom754 I use something called nix, essentially I would reinstall and configure it after every update and never touch the locked partition. I would not recommend it unless you are familiar with Linux and possibly have some developer skill. It’s notoriously badly documented and has a very steep learning curve.
Think of it as a collection of scripts and after an update I would rerun them, they reconfigure my deck and reinstall any removed apps.
Funny tuning into LTT videos and hearing Linus say how much he values being on Windows over Linux, I'm sat here thinking I wouldn't mind the extra power of an Ally or whatever but I'd hate to have to figure out how to make it run Linux cause ain't no way I'm having a Windows handheld
Yeah, and battery life is just never going to be as good as the steam deck
@@dorian6021 For me personally, at this point most of the games that aren't compatable are rootkits, so aren't really worth playing anyhow.
@@dorian6021 In my experience, it's easier to run older games on Linux than on modern versions of Windows. Swapping proton versions is super fast and easy and the older proton versions have excellent early Windows game support.
Different users for different uses case. Just because you like linux we should like it as well. Same as owning apple and android. You should respect what they want.
@nathanjuan6042 Nobody here is disrespecting anyone's opinion, people are expressing their own opinions and you should respect that.
The Steam Deck ia not only has the best price to preformance ratio, but it's also the most streamlined, the most supported in terms of updates, and the most stable because it's running a custom OS and not desktop Windows with an overly.
So yes. It is still relevant.
Linus: "When is it coming out?! I want a definite answer!"
Also Linus when asked about an LTT product: "We're working on it! Soon!" 😂
Not many talk about it, but for the games I play the thumb touch pads are one of the killer features of the Steam Deck. If the Ally had thumb pads I would probably switch since I could use things like Gamepass.
I feel like this is so underappreciated. I am able to play Stellaris and other such games only because of the track pads. I won't even consider another handheld that doesn't have them. I've tried the legion go's trackpad but it's to small and seemed laggy compared with the decks (the laggy part may be fixed now I don't know but it's still to small). I know most people play fps's or whatever but for my type of games they are a must imo.
Oh, absolutely. The touch pads and even the gyro controlls are the most useful features on the Steam Deck.
Without them, some apps or games just wouldn't be usable/playable.
mannn I wish the ally x had at least the right side trackpad :( man...
but the fact that the ally is smaller than the deck, I can actually type on the spit keyboard. Not saying is ideal, but I've been using the joystick as a mouse on the deck to prepare myself for the ally. I gotta say I'm getting back at this. Still would want the trackpad tho
I play a lot of games that require mouse input and don't have controller support, so any portable PC/console without touch pads are not even an option to consider for me.
the steam deck is crazy. I love how open valve has been with it. I am still playing on my LCD model and I have been messing with settings such as power options so I could undervolt, I have messed with overclocking and even got the screen to run at 70hz. sure the OLED is an upgrade and I do want one but I can't spend money so I can just do small tweaks to get my current one better :)
There is a hidden menu under each game properties which allows to run games 4K resolution (internally) and torture Steam Deck even more....
It appears when visiting second time to set resolution. Enable toggle on.
Say goodbye to battery 😅
I would never go out of my way to buy any handheld but the Steam Deck. Even if they were priced the same, Linux native is incredibly important to making a well performing system on limited hardware.
And community, any question or doubt there are tons of tutorials or videos
You sound like a worshiper. You worship the deck like a god.
@@nathanjuan6042 I mean in the current market. If Ayaneo makes a $500 device that's as good as the Steam Deck and with Linux out of the box, I'd consider it.
Doesn't sound like you've used a steam deck, no one has been able to emulate the touch pads and gyro controls, that's actually my favourite part about the deck; the trackpads open up so much possibility in payable genres on a mobile device!
Short answer, yes. The other handhelds are awesome, but when I talk to people about handheld gaming, everyone thinks of the Steam Deck, and a good percentage of those people have one. Valve nailed getting a large install base (for this kind of product), with the console like experience and guarantee of quality and ease of use, as well as of course, the price
Just compare the price... Competition costs nearly twice as much. For a lot of people the increase in price is just not worth it.
@@Mark-vr7pt Not really. Only if you consider a refurbished Steam Deck LCD. The Deck OLED 512gb is $550 and that's not half of the competition. The Ally is regularly found at $600 and the base Z1 is regularly at $400
@@crestofhonor2349 hm, true, I compared prices to the regular Steam Deck
also people always forget about the extra buttons and the incredible pads that make possible to have a good experience playing games that are made to play with a mouse
Yes!! Next question
Tf2 only has 15k human player and 1 dev Should they stop harassing overwatch community by calling them dead by tf2?
@@Deezsirrer???
I love that Valve has basically just become Apertue Science, except they actually make money
The Ally makes money buy selling hardware. Valve makes money buy selling licenses. Asus must make revisions and stay ahead. Valve doesn't need to.
Yes, selling hardware not being the primary focus of their business gives Valve an advantage in how they can price the Steam Deck. So Steam Deck is console-like in that respect, too.
@@antonkirilenko3116 100% agree. I'm liking this resonance chamber everyone talks about 😉😀
Steam deck does NOT have a limited library. You can run any windows game, emulate Android, or emulate other consoles. The limitation you speak of is specifically referring to CERTAIN anti cheat games, which you shouldn't be playing on a handheld console ANYWAY, because there's no way you can play competitively vs desktop users even if it worked. Also, there is a big problem with x86 handheld battery life, storage limitations because games are 100+GB, most alternatives do not have track pads, Hall effect joysticks, not enough RAM (16 is dated), variable refresh rate, and steam deck still has the superior software experience. Android handhelds are actually better competition against steam deck than the knock off x86 handhelds. This is especially true with Windows emulation working on ARM, and the only problem there is not having native android steam support, unless you're running Linux or windows for arm. Yeah, arm is going to be the next handheld revolution, because nobody is competing on the x86 front. ROG ALLYX? Do I trust it? No. Is it priced competitively? No. So it's steam deck or some upcoming arm system.
Is the 16 GB RAM still a point when you're running games on a far smaller screen? Would it significantly impact the power consumption?
Steam Deck also doesn't have hall effect joysticks, right?
@@AllahDoesNotExistNo, but they're modular and you can easily install them
While waydroid is nice, it's a pain, plus you can't run it on the steam deck, desktop is X11 and gamescope doesn't support native wayland clients
Honkai Star Rail is not playable on Linux last I checked. People have been banned for it, but not for Genshin yet. Apex Legends has had 3 updates now where they messed up the anti-cheat. This is supposed to be a Steam Deck Verified game yet people have been banned for it.
One of the appeals of the Steam Deck is its ability to be a PC. If people wanted to play with the Steam Deck in a dock with mouse and keyboard, Steam sells the dock for it. The argument of "shouldn't be playing competitive games on Steam Deck" rings hollow to me. This is putting aside that it is your device, and if you wanted to play competitive shooters on it you should be able to.
Now I don't play these games on Steam Deck, but the reality is, compared to other windows handhelds it literally is limited. Other Windows handhelds can emulate and play the anti-cheat games. It literally has a larger library.
It's not up to devs' refusal to "support" Linux. Its up to devs' willingness not to intentionally block Linux users from playing their games now. That's the only thing stopping Linux gaming now.
I get where Linus is coming from, but my counter point is that the Steam Deck is amazing for the same reason that the Switch is. Yes there are handheld PCs that runs faster, but they also HAVE to have better specs because there are multiple layers of cruft sucking away at the performance. With the Steam Deck I can boot it up and play probably 70% of my current game library without hassle and without background programs taking away from the performance. As Linus said, this is not an apples to apples comparison, but honestly I don't WANT a worse laptop when I'm on the go, I want an amazing handheld that allows me to play PC games without having to be under the thumb of the big three of console makers when they make stupid decisions. On top of all of this SteamOS is built on the Linux kernel so it is much easier to "hack" for lack of a better term. It's also WAY more solid that most PCs because it is stripped down. Take this all with a grain of salt though because I am not an online PvP gamer. But for my use case it does everything I need. The Steam Deck doesn't NEED to outperform the handheld PCs on the market because it is doing its own thing the same way the Switch is doing its own thing.
Why hasn't Linus made a Framework handheld yet?!
I honestly think it is still relevant because it is the only Handheld that has an acceptable IO. As of now Windows unfortunately is not yet able to deliver a console like experience! This however depends on what usecase you have. I personally use my Steam deck almost exclusively on the go for short sessions, so features such as the Auto resume are essential to me!
That's a big win for the steam deck but you can install windows on the steam deck (if you really want to) anyway and support is good now while also having a much longer battery life. Performance isn't worth getting the rog ally for as the sacrifice of battery, micro sd card slot (as it kills sd cards) and money. The steam deck oleds screen is better as well as its better colour accuracy and it being an oled. The extra resolution the rog ally has is pointless as it struggels to runs games at that resolution well and you usually have to turn it down in lots of games to 720p anyway. It is also hard to tell but still slightly noticeable going from 800p to 1080p on a 7 inch screen. The 90hz of the oled is enough as 60 - 90 hz is a big difference but 90 - 120hz has a smaller noticeable difference to your eyes but the screen on the rog ally is overspeced in all the wrong ways.
The steam deck is the benifits of a console, without the walled garden
SteamOS isn't coming out any time soon because building and maintaining an operating system not only for your own hardware but 3rd party hardware as well is a massive undertaking for any company
I'm guessing it'll be out once NVK get mature enough for their liking.
SteamOS is a Linux distribution. Valve released SteamOS 10 years ago.
@@sergeykish Kinda but not really. SteamOS 3 isn't the same distro as 1/2. SteamOS 3 is an arch based immutable distro, which 1 and 2 are ubuntu based. People are wanting 3, but that's not out yet
@@mathman0569 both are Linux distributions - Valve does not make OS from scratch, Valve already released OS.
That's response on "massive undertaking". Children release Linux distributions.
@@sergeykish I meant saying that SteamOS was released 10 years ago, which is kinda the case, but not really, as it's not the same at all from 10 years ago due to switching bases and such
Bro really expects valve to communicate
I love the Steam Deck. I practically use it every day or almost every day. When I leave the house, it’s usually my iPhone SE and Steam Deck that goes with me. While I do love my Vita slim and Switch Lite, I don’t always have the urge to play them.
Since getting the Steam Deck back in February, I gamed more these last three months than my previous 15 years. I already have over 120 hours playing Final Fantasy VII Remake. Add another 30 hours for Assassin’s Creed IV: Black Flag and another 40 hours for Shenmue III.
I’m currently trying to platinum FF7 Remake but I heard recently from a CZcamsr that trying to plat Rebirth is a nightmare! Not worth it he said. He said it took him over 200 hours to plat Rebirth while Remake was only around 70. And the level of difficulty goes way beyond hard mode and with tedious mini games.
Once I get Rebirth for Steam which could be by 2026, I will not attempt to go plat for it. I actually don’t believe getting plat for Remake is really worth it either. It’s to feed my ego. I didn’t grow up during the trophy era. Once I beat a game and saw the end credits, I was done with it. I don’t want to waste another 50 hours on that game.
Since I already have 56/63 achievements for FF7 Remake Intergrade, I might as well complete them all to get my first platinum trophy for any game. The six tasks I have left for getting plat on Remake…..
Hit every big box (Materia Mavern)
Complete hard mode for the base game
Complete hard mode for the DLC
Beat Ultimate Weapon
Beat Ultimate Weapon 2.0
Beat Weiss
I will probably save Weiss and the Pride & Joy ones last. Still only have 11 of the 18 levels completed on hard mode for the base game. And none for Yuffie’s yet. After I’m done getting platinum for FF7RI, I may attempt to go plat for Shenmue III. I’m reading it’s easier and only takes about 30 hours to go plat.
Something about playing Final Fantasy VII and Shenmue games that I’m so familiar with, it’s like being at home and doing chores. The OG FF7 and Shenmue II on Dreamcast and Xbox are my top 2 favorite games of all-time. Their music has this great ambiance when playing them.
As disappointing of an ending and story that Shenmue III had, it might actually have the smoothest gameplay of the trilogy. The mini games are funner. No annoying walking on a catwalk/plank like in Shenmue II where if you fall, you need to completely go back to the start.
After I plat Shenmue III, I will probably play Uncharted 4 next. I still have hours and hours to play on the Deck. I’ll probably have over 1000 hours playing video games before the year is over if I already played 200 hours for it after three months. From 2008-2020, I doubt I accumulated 1000 hours from playing video games.
I usually play my Deck for about an hour or two almost daily. Then sometimes more when I get home while it’s charging. It’s also great for watching Pluto TV if I’m too tired to play games. I’m trying to go plat on FF7RI but I’m doing so at a leisurely pace. No rush. I no longer have that OCD or huge ego to care if I go plat or not.
*ROG* *Ally* *X*
What do you think of it? Just seems like new hardware for CZcamsrs to talk about but is it really that exciting? My excitement actually comes from getting the first Ally used for $250 like I did for my 512 GB LCDeck. I’m determined to get an Ally with Z1 Extreme for only $250. But of course, I still hate Asus. Never had a great experience with that Taiwanese company.
I’m aware how people’s microSD cards gets ruined from the Ally but I have no intention putting one in it. I’ll only be using the internal storage and don’t plan putting a lot of games on it. I actually prefer the Legion Go but if I see an Ally for dirt cheap, I’ll get it. It’s smaller too. It is overkill to own a Deck and Ally, but since the Deck might be too weak for FF16, I might as well get an Ally if it’s dirt cheap. And I do need a Windows device again to do certain things I can’t on Linux.
Ally X seems to be a battery life upgrade which is needed as who wants to keep playing AAA games for only one hour? But I wonder how much? It might go up in price like the Deck OLED did. While a used original Ally will have a fire sale on OfferUp and can be bought for under $300 this summer after the Ally X gets released. Wait after June 2 to see last year’s Ally selling for dirt cheap on OfferUp. Just make sure you’re getting the Z1 Extreme.
I honestly don’t know if getting a Windows PC handheld with Z1 Extreme is worth it though? Yeah, it’s more powerful than any version of the Steam Deck, but it’s not like the PS5 era has brought a ton of games for us to play. I feel AAA titles died with the PS4. The first AAA title was the OG FF7. Then AAA titles died after the FF7 remakes. Who has time to wait that long for AAA titles?
FF7 Rebirth’s sales are disappointing for a few reasons. This game should have NOT been a PS5 exclusive in the first place. More people owned a PS4 in 2020 than a PS5 in 2024. But what softens that argument is Rebirth is selling less than FF16 from last year. So it’s not solely because it’s a PS5 exclusive.
The other reason is maybe it is tough to market a direct sequel and not everyone loved Remake with some divisive narrative choices they made? I’m currently trying to plat Remake on the Deck and it can be quite tedious running through hallways. Hence, why I still prefer the OG. It flowed better as a game and it’s easier to pick up and play without thinking too hard. Can spam the buttons.
Remake’s battle system can be quite fun but I can understand some fans from the OG who didn’t like Remake not liking it’s very complicated nature dealing with stagger and ATB fill ups. A lot of gamers who played the OG have become more casual with games. They got families to raise. No time figuring out some complex battle system.
It’s a shame too because I really do want to play Rebirth but refuse to buy a PS5. My favorite part from the OG was Disc 2 when the characters finally left Midgar. But what can we do? Square made a few errors like making it a PS5 exclusive and some gameplay/narrative changes that didn’t sit well for some OG fans.
Is having the power close to the base PlayStation 5 while on the go even worth it anymore if this 9th generation has killed AAA titles for good? What’s the point? Those AAA titles are getting way too expensive like making a blockbuster movie and they take too long to wait on them.
There’s this overstatement that we’re experiencing a crash. No, we are not. The video game industry is far larger than it was back in 1983 when the Atari 2600 dominated homes. The future for console gaming are PC handhelds that can also be docked to a TV or monitor. We’re not heading into a crash. It’s not all gloom and doom. No games will be buried into a New Mexico desert. We own too many games we would probably never ever play.
It’s 2024 and I haven’t enjoyed playing video games this much since my PS1 days. Forget PS2, my PS1 days from 1996-2002 when I beat dozens of PS1 games. While gamers have complained about the lack of good games from this gen, we are currently living in the greatest era of portables/handhelds. We’ve come a long way since the Game & Watch and Tiger Electronics handhelds prior to Game Boy.
USA Released Year
1989: Game Boy, Lynx
1990: TurboExpress
1991: Game Gear, Lynx II
1995: Nomad
1996: Game Boy Pocket
1998: Game Boy Color
1999: Neo Geo Pocket Color
2001: Game Boy Advance
2003: Game Boy Advance SP
2004: DS
2006: DS Lite
2005: PSP, Game Boy Micro
2007: PSP 2000
2008: PSP 3000
2009: PSP Go, DSi, DSi XL
2011: PSP Street, 3DS
2012: PS Vita, 3DS XL
2013: 2DS
2014: PS Vita 2000
2015: new 3DS XL, new 3DS
2017: Switch, new 2DS XL
2018: Switch V2
2019: Switch Lite
2021: Switch OLED
2022: Steam Deck
2023: ROG Ally, Legion Go, Deck OLED
2024: ROG Ally X
I love the era we’re living in now with handhelds like the Deck. It amazes me how a Switch Lite can be that small but have more power than a PS3 and Wii U. It started to get good for us by 2017 thanks to the Switch and emulation started getting really good by 2019 and good on Android by 2021. Why would I want to go back to the 80s through 00s for my handhelds? PC handhelds are closer to the specs of the bigger home consoles.
Anyhoo, long live the Steam Deck. Going to play my games now. I’ll get the Deck 2 when it arrives. The Switch 2 will be my secondary handheld behind the Deck 2. Only used for Nintendo titles. Then I’ll have a Windows PC handheld for the sake of having more power and having a Windows PC again. But I’ll always remember my first Steam Deck fondly for changing my life. Greatest handheld I’ve ever owned.
I bought my Steam Deck specifically to play 2D/sidescrollers and old titles (i.e. Oblivion). I can say for me, at least, it is still very much relevant ☺
I just got a Steam Deck OLED less than a month ago and this is the most I’ve been able to game in years. I barely ever fire up my PS5 anymore and even my 3080 loaded desktop hasn’t been seeing very much use lately and I haven’t even begun to scratch the surface of all the amazing games that can be played on the Deck.
I have been absolutely LOVING stuff like Dave the Diver, Slay the Spire, Vampire Survivors, Hades and also AAA games like Elden Ring have been simply incredible to be able to play handheld. That’s not even including older classics like Dishonored and with no shortage of Steam sales, I personally don’t feel like the library is limited in the slightest.
I’m so satisfied with my purchase in under a month’s time that it’s kind of crazy. It’s rare for a consumer product to be able to do that. And seeing how it’s unlikely that there will be a Steam Deck 2.0 anytime soon, I feel confident in saying that Steam Deck is still very much relevant. Hell, I personally chose to buy it over the ROG Ally because I specifically didn’t want to fuss with windows, driver updated etc. in that sense, I think the Steam Deck OLED wins by a lot, even if it is slightly less powerful, the cohesive experience you get with it and worth whole
Linus could showcase bazzite in a video, or make a video trying and ranking all steamOS inspired distros, they are pretty mature for specific hardware like the ROG ally and legion go.
Better frame pacing (average frame rate matters very little compared to it especially in a handheld) better software, tailor-made os, better battery, the list goes on
Just because it gets the most fps doesn't mean it's the better device... Linus should know better
Also iirc the Deck can be a full PC if you switch to the Plasma desktop. No you can't run Photoshop (well you probably can with WINE) but you can do everything else
Steam Deck is the best at 15W or lower, but it doesn't offer anything above 15W
@@antonkirilenko3116 Steam deck is th ebest at 12w and below. At 12w and above the Z1 X does beat it
The problem with other handhelds is, that you are still limited by TDP. There is only so much cooling and battery you can cram into this form factor. The more you want to play away from a power socket, on battery the more you have to turn down settings till you are basically back in Steam Deck territory regarding FPS and detail setting.
And Steam Deck can go far lower on TDP than any Windows handheld. When I was playing Fallout 3 in some places my total system power went below 7W. It's like less than Windows consume just idling.
I like how on the steam stats page they always show the steamdeck outselling everything 😂
3:31 There are projects like ChimeraOS that bring SteamOS to desktop PCs as long as they're AMD based. You could try out one of those, though as community projects obviously your support would not be coming from Valve.
For me, the ease of use and the price are massive factors for why I use it, I used windows on the deck and I didn’t find myself touching it much because Steam OS is just so good
The Steam Deck is the most popular handheld PC in the world. It’s foundation is Steam OS, which it’s Linux kernel gave massive boom to Linux gaming and even got Windows to join in on Linux gaming through their Microsoft Azure that was made in 2010 that’s also Linux-based. Microsoft is pushing Xbox into Windows. Sony, with their new 2 presidents, needs to push more Playstation Studio games onto other platforms with SqE to keep afloat.
Sony is working with Western Studios and SIE to keep Playstation alive after their Hell Divers 2 wack with their previous Presidents. It’s not looking very well and hopefully they undo those mistakes and get their games into more platforms as they are also jumping into AI.
We love ya Linus, but it shows that all you do is run benchmarks and reviews as opposed to actually using a mobile PC for gaming on the go. Steam Deck is hands down the best experience for 90% of people over any windows handheld. It boots in a fraction of the time, has quick resume, and most importantly, it doesn't waste half an hour installing shitty Windows updates every other week you power it on, which interferes with using it as a grab and go device, nor does a windows update randomly break something important like the on screen keyboard or audio drivers. Ohh, and it gets 50% better battery life in many titles, and 100% more when playing 2d indie games. The deck is significantly more comfortable to hold for hours on end and to use as a controller, is infinitely more customizable, and I can't remember the last time I ran into a game in my steam library of 800 that didn't boot up perfectly fine on the deck with no tweaking required. Even getting stuff from the epic store running is a breeze with the 3rd party launcher tool.
So no, I won't take a ROG ally to get 30% better framerate in cyberpunk if it means dealing with windows on a device that lacks a keyboard, watching defender/anti-malware rape the CPU at idle every 30 minutes, deal with bugs that require plugging a keyboard in regularly, or get half the battery life when all I want to do is play stardew valley or slay the spire with mods or run my favorite GameCube or PS3 games on emulation.
there are so many games that work with the steam deck that you need multiple lifetimes to complete even half
The Steam Deck is the Nike of PC handhelds. All others are compared. Is it the fastest? No. Is it fast, stable and reliable? Absolutely!
I agree that the Steam Deck is in a league of its own and sort of a different category to Windows handhelds, but it should still be compared tbh.
Especially because a lot of people considering Windows handhelds probably have a Steam Deck, and for many it is the better device with the trade off for performance being battery life and a seamless experience. It all depends on where your priorities lie with what you want out of a handheld honestly.
I have no regrets getting an early model steam deck. Its been a solid little machine. I wish the battery life was a bit longer or that it used up less battery when in sleep. It's opened my eyes to a lot of more indie controller focused games and is an emulation powerhouse.
The linux desktop mode is actually kind of neat and fun to mess around with. I know if I was a kid and didnt have a sick computer I would be using that thing with no issue.
Why does Linus always champion the ROG ally when all of his complaints are fixed with the Lenovo Legion go?
Linus is really a creature of habit
Lenovo would have sold me if it wasn't for that damn native portrait display with no VRR support.
Thus, I have a SD and an Ally.
Linus "dogshit take" Sebastian 😅
Crybaby fanboy
Use mine several times a week. Just started Fallout 3, won’t run on Windows 11 and is jank on 10. Steamdeck? 4 hours in, zero issues, zero tweaking.
I don't mind that the Steam deck is on a console-like revision, it allows for them to refine it, devs build games for it, and allows for the market to get saturated with it.
i love my steam deck, my first computer. perfect for emulation and the games i never played when i was a kid in the 2000s. some tinkering required but its cool it makes me feel like a wizard when shit works
You were talking here about VR headset advancements, please please please make a video on the Pimax Crystal. I have to see your impressions on what people are saying is the best headset on the market.
My guess is that the reason Steam OS hasn't released for all PCs is because Nvidia has slowly been introducing better support for Linux and the community drivers have been making great strides too. Valve probably doesn't want to release Steam OS to the masses until the Nvidia experience on Linux is good since currently it's pretty awful. It's getting better every day though!
Others have already mentioned it, but the most likely reason why SteamOS isn't on the desktop yet is Nvidia. Valve want the OS to just work on any PC you put it on, but as long as Nvidia support depends on their proprietary driver, that simply cannot be possible. They don't want to ship the driver to not complicate licensing, but the open source driver isn't suitable for daily use yet.
Valve are also major contributors to both the AMD, and now the upcoming open source Nvidia drivers, they are quite busy on that front.
Steam OS is not ready for a wide release yet. Its that simple. You want all the toys included right? Wait then.
Looking at the GamersNexus debacle with their ROG Ally I'm really not gonna back that company after that.
Gamer nexus is known for exaggerating problems for views
@@xgamerwhat are you talking about…. He showed the exact emails and there is no exaggerating being done haha. They wanted him to pay 200$ to fix a tiny ding so they didn’t have to do warranty repair for completly free.
I would like to know the exact claims you feel he exaggerated for clicks where. Or are you just making shit up for engagement yourself?
The problem with ONE customer does not invalidate the entire product /company
@@xgamerexactly, so hes been telling people go send in their experience as well.
Also the fact that he has reported Asus twice (last year and just now), it's quite obvious the company doesn't care.
@@xgamerExcept it's not just _one_ customer. It's certainly a thing that's reported by various people.
Steam Deck has far superior community and software support but in the end Windows supports more games and hardware is more powerful. So it depends what you want.
I feel Steam Deck 2 will be a game changer with RDNA 3/4 graphics and Better CPU performance.
I do really wish that Valve would release SteamOS to the public, I understand that there's already a pretty active and dedicated community of Linux users attempting to run games to increase their compatibility and truly make "Gaming on Linux" a reality. I got a lot of knowledge gaps here, I'll admit, but I can only imagine steam releasing their OS could only bolster this movement.
It's irrelevant here in Australia considering we can't even buy them.
Try Kogan, many ppl I know purchased theirs through them and have had a good experience, they provide a decent warranty and return service too.
still the best handheld in my opinion
Just to correct you that opinion is not an opinion that is a fact
@@stevenlee3661I think it's an opinion. Steam Deck is not the best handheld at everything. It doesn't have the best raw performance, for example.
But Steam Deck is probably the best overall handheld, yes.
@@antonkirilenko3116 yeah I guess if your opinions and needs are performance over anything else. Still it sacrifices lots of stuff like battery life for a few frames.
Edit: I also think that even if money (like they where the same price) wasn't a concern the steam deck is the better option.
@@stevenlee3661 No it's an opinion
I think Luke should try Bazzite for the next Linux challenge, while Linus does SteamOS.
One key piece of information is that KDE 6 (The UI for the Steam Deck) has been in the midst of a major transition. Who knows, but it seems to me it would make a lot of sense to wait for that change. Getting games to work cleanly on the Wayland UI is non-trivial. However if/when that gets done, it will be faster.
Yes
Just think Linus is the wrong person to talk about a handheld gaming PC. With your work and output added to your family, I'm not sure you'd fall in the category for people who really use these machines. When do you play? Honestly. And how often? Do your really use the ROG Ally every day? Every week? At all? Steamdeck is the iPhone. Everyone will keep copying it and they'll add features earlier than the Deck...but Valve will always do it cooler and more exciting.
What a bunch of wild questions. Such a fanboy.
Since getting a steam deck my desktop has been for the most part ignored. It's just so easy to pick up and put down around the chaos of life
I use my ally with bazzite and it's what id imagine what the steam deck is. The wake and sleep is insane compared to windows and I get all the benefits on all the softmods the steam deck does. I'm through with windows because of how they're going with it, all the ads and AI is dreadful. Yea I lose the windows compatibility but I think I'm in it for the long haul with all the other steam deck users. You should do a video on bazzite or wineapos or Nobora or Chimera. They all have their charm and are fun to use on the ally. I play AAA on my PC but use emudeck for older games and just overall older game proton covers.
i'd say the major thing you're missing are the trackpads. their importance is not obvious until you try them with the power of steaminput on pc-only games.
Nobara has come so far and its so sad that linus is hyperfocused on waiting for steam OS when Glorious Eggroll made the perfect noob OS
ROG ally is only relevant because of how bad ASUS customer service is
This video has:
- Linus saying Linux has a limited game library but no mention on which games he played doesn't work
- Luke eagerly mentioning at every opportunity how much money Valve makes
🤣
I don't think he needs to mention it. It's not foreign knowledge. Lets not pretend linux can run every game windows can.
It is.
It is awesome what you can play with it. And it is also awesome how much effort/support the Devs put in it over many years.
I'm thinking about picking one up, just for traveling and playing PC games with the lowest budget. Is the steam deck still best in class? Any other cheaper options? I don't plan to play new AAA titles, just some casual games with controller inputs like Yakuza 0
Might consider something smaller. Other that that it is the best
ROG ally has Q/A issues , it’s RMA is trash and scummy .. steam deck by default alone due to how trash 3rd party handle its devices, and thus yearly replacement doesn’t help either
Uh... just install Windows on a Steam Deck?
No, its rubbish on a hand-held
@@notjustforhackers4252
that's just your opinion about the quality but it is an option if there is a shortcoming or some particular piece of software/game that is exclusive to windows.
@@notjustforhackers4252Linux is terrible on a handheld, android is much better! 😂
Absolutely not. Just get a Windows handheld at that point.
@@catch82 Exactly. I don't buy Windows hardware to run Linux..... I don't buy Linux hardware to run Windows, its stupid.
did you consider doing a video with holo iso hosted by somebody using linux to give a perspective of how the experience is for a person normally using linux? would really enjoy a video like that.
I didn’t know a good handheld AAA gaming experience can be had until I came across the ROG Ally. So glad I got they Ally
Honestly I installed windows on a portable SSD witch I attached to the back of the steam deck. And I haven't touched SteamOs in months. Windows on the steamdeck runs great now with Handheld Companion app.
I mean you can also get the 64GB eMMC version and change the SSD for a 1TB that should be plenty for a dual boot of SteamOS/Windows. Personally use SteamOS for emulation with EmuDeck and Windows for 2000s-early 2010 racing games and heck maybe COD.
Just got mine a week ago, love it!!!! So easy to use 👍
15.000 games playable on the steam deck. Not enough? ;-D
How's ROG Ally with sleep/wake and idle battery drain? I've never had a good experience with Windows on laptops when it comes to these things, so that's one of the main reasons i want to upgrade from Switch to Deck.
If you switch it to hibernate instead of sleep, it takes about 10 seconds to get back gaming. Not as good as SD, but it's not bad.
With hibernate there is zero battery drain. I've left it on hibernate for 10 days when life got busy, came back to the exact same percentage.
When my steam deck can't run a game I just stream it from my desktop and I get a pretty good experience.
Agreed, i have all 3, and i regularly pick the ally when I'm walking out the door.
I have an SD and an Ally. I love both, but the meat-riding for the SD is wild.
I'll take the Steam Deck OLED over anyone elses handheld anyday.
If I only got budget for the cheapest Steam deck and dock, is it the best way to enjoy pc gaming on TV?
The big thing for me to keep using the steam deck and not change to something else is the trackpads. Nothing else has them and it makes the experience way better. Plus, it allows me to play games that wouldn't really work on a controller better by emulating a mouse and hotkeys.
Even if the Deck fizzles out, the fact that it singlehandedly shifted the gaming industry in ways Nintendo has been trying to for years is success enough.
Valve the real ones for pulling it off so well
Wait, no shot.
You are telling me that the OLED deck handheld at the price of €600+ (w/ dock) is being less popular when its similarly costly as: oled switch (€280) + XboxSS (€202) + ps4 (€131)?
Truly mind-blowing how that goes, man. Remains a mystery.
I just got a refurbished Steam Deck for 280 bucks with a micro card. The performance this thing puts out blows my mind. It also functions as a really nice steam remote play with my PC. I’ve already even been contemplating setups that I can take over my friends house and hook up to the tv for a portable gaming experience.
It’s really impressed me in a short period of time.
Bought mine three weeks ago. Really like it so far.
I just got the OLED….first deck. And I don’t need anyone to tell me I need anything else for a long while. I’m playing so many games that just sat dormant in my inventory. The indie game world is on fire!
Let the guy on the right talk, my word...
Is SteamOS not available?
I remember looking at it a while back when looking for a OS for my gaming laptop.
Never tryied at the end, as I needed a more everyday-less specialized OS.
The SteamOS that's available from valve for any device is the very outdated SteamOS 2, which is not recommended at all. For the current version the community has some offerings, like HoloISO, ChimeraOS or Bazzite (with the later two being _similar_ to SteamOS).
Oh, that I didn't know, last time I checked Chimera was just a github repo without page, so I was also very out of date.
HololSO? Thats a new name for me, I'll check it.
On another note, have you heard of Nobara Linux? Is it worth it? I'm pondering that one too
@@erumabo I've heard from a few people that ChimeraOS works great for their living room gaming PC. As a fun-fact: it used to be called GamerOS a few years ago.
As for Nobara, I've heard of it, but have no experience with it. I'm not sure if the changes over regular Fedora are not big/noticable. For my computer and laptop I use Ubuntu and TuxedoOS respectively (as general purpose systems). If you're not sure what to use you can try them. They are all free of charge and most Linux systems have a "try out" mode before installing them (although the SteamOS inspired ones might not have that option, idk).
The ally and other handhelds just don't have as good of controls as steam deck. That is what stops me from getting them, not price or performance. Especially when they don't have the 2 touchpads. Those are a GAME CHANGER. Seriously, use them all the time.
also, if the Ally is so good why is everyone selling them on ebay and marketplace for CHEAP? Like I can get an Ally for less money than a steam deck easily. 200 bucks I'm seeing them go for on marketplace. :/
I bought first gen low tier deck and now with so many handheld to chose from I want another deck but the top tier this time. I sometimes play unplugged and my indicator for gaming session to end is low battery warning. I don't know what they did but when my deck is older the battery last longer. Few times now I enedud playing over 2hours while intended to play something like 45mins. HiFi rush and beyonetta had absurdly good battery life improvements I have no idea what or when happened
As someone who has been running high-end gaming PCs since 2016, the Steam Deck is the only gaming device I currently use. I couldn't imagine trading SteamOS or the actual hardware for any other handheld device. Tbf I've been off Windows altogether since 2021, so that's a major reason for my preference.
If you're surprised that there's a new ROG Ally revision, you're not following the issues with Asus.