Journey Into The MANOSPHERE
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00:00 Prelude
02:35 Ch. 1 The Depths of Gender
09:15 Ch. 2 Castration Anxiety
15:15 Ch. 3 Lobster Tears
20:25 Ch. 4 The Intersectionality of Masculinity
25:14 Ch. 5 Les Grottes de Tarrarre
30:41 Ch. 6 Common Phenotypes of the Angry Man
34:37 Ch. 7 The Myth of Chadyphus
38:30 Ch. 8 If You Meet The Alpha On The Road, Kill Him
43:58 Epilogue
47:48 the rat goes like this the normal rat is like this the normal rat's like this the rat is like this
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Omg, this is soon bad, worst video you've ever made. Just absolute nonsense.
@@jayBBvid95 Can't have men waking up and leaving the plantation, man, CIA directs have to go out to breadtube to clampdown.
I think every identity group has the doubling down syndrome
If you put Indians in America, they do everything to prove they are indians to actual indians - they pray and go to temples and wear as much culture as they can
Same with men - you put a man in a relationship with a stronger woman, they do everything to prove they "wear the pants in the relationship"
@@jayBBvid95 failing to*
Not only did Darwin NEVER say that the strongest or "best at dominating" will survive. He said that the ones most able to adapt what their environment required of them, woud survive, as well as the ones able to cooperate.
He also said that the pinnacle and most evolved and noble attitude of humanity was our love and compassion towards other animals. As did Einstein. Which for some reason everyone ignores.
The notion of "the struggle for existence" already presupposes that life is driven towards domination. Even when you show animals compassion you do so because you do not naturally fear them like a bird, you completely dominate them. But you are never going to ever "cooperate" with a polar bear so your usage of the term doesn't even make sense. Cooperation between two humans is motivated by the will to dominate the environment. Adaption in darwinism is just pure luck where those that don't fit in are killed and don't get to pass off their genes. That's what he meant by adaptation, he's not a lamarckian in ehich he thinks you can accrue traits over time based on how you live. It's all determined at birth according to him. It's arguably not even wholly efficient since many female birds select for so many useless and ridiculous traits to the point where it has become detrimental to the male bird.
@@dreyri2736 and your point is?
@@bl-vy6bm that Darwin's idea of adaptation is not what you think it is.
It's because it's not a hyper individualistic statement, if it was you would know against your will.
@@dreyri2736 quite long way to say that the only thing that matters in evolution is how lucky you are
"Yes, I can get to compare myself to Batman because its my channel" is the last thing I expected to hear today and is unintentionally hilarious, thank you sisyphus 55
It is intentionally hilarious.
It is intentionally hilarious
It is comedically precarious.
@@flowgangsemaudamartoz7062 thank you
Ok but why did you have to spoil it tho
I think an important thing to note on this topic is that getting out of the manosphere and away from the antisocial traits it glorifies does not make you feel better either. You may feel just as depressed, anxious, and alone as you felt while in that culture, probably more so, since you lose that artificial sense of purpose. I think sisyphus creates this image that being inside the manosphere leads to a large but empty life, and being outside it grants peace and happiness, and contentment. You won't suddenly find love, acceptance, or a new sense of purpose by rejecting these ideals. You should absolutely do it, but it's by no means a fix for the underlying issues, it's just the first step.
Right, I think things like the "manosphere" is similar to Alcoholics Anonymous. It can help some people. It saves some peoples lives. A.A. saved my life to be honest with you. But after awhile it becomes something different that its original purpose.
You can become addicted to it. What you become addicted to is the social factor. You get a sense of reward by being apart of the group. People in the manosphere will lie constantly because they just want to be apart of something. These are the people who are usually borderline violent in the things that they say on forums and such. Its like people who don't know how to fit in and don't know that it is crazy to say things like that all getting together and saying crazy things.
The problem is that some of these kids take this VERY seriously. They are part of this group now that is bigger than them after all.. and this is what these guys are all doing.. It's like the cult that they make in fightclub. It grows bigger and more fucked up as things go along. All these men are pissed off and really now they are bound together by their anger and hate and their utter feelings of pain and loneliness they feel. The rejection they feel becomes extremely deep. They no loonger even want to solve their own problem... They just want to be a louder and more influential member of the group. They want to say things that other people in the group might admire.
All of this leads to a HUGE downward spiral with none of these dudes getting what they want. Which is probably either sex, or a loving relationship. Ideally both I would imagine. They are totally fucking themselves. Drowning in their own anger and pain.
If that becomes your whole world or a large part of it and you suddenly leave it then you will probably go through withdrawals. The whole thing is your addiction.
This^
He is promoting a communist based fund raiser. So there you go. Not as rational as he wants others to believe.
Yeah it's necessary but not sufficient
This is a brilliant addition
I've never been so happy to have my whole identity kicked in the teeth! This was painful, but moving and somewhat liberating. Thank you!
My name is also Alex and I agree 👍
You think it helped that he speaks from experience?
To me, that really strengthened his story. And it is something I rarely see in videos trying to tackle things like this.
@@Quadr44t Yes! He doesn't seem to shame or judge anyone for going through what he's been through. He shows that this is a journey all men must go through to some degree and there are no perfect answers. I think becoming a truly "good man" is much more difficult than it seems - a "sisyphean" task, if you will.
He show's that he's struggling through that journey at least as much as everyone else is. It's extremely admirable.
@@alexnelson7258 yeah that was really refreshing to me. Though I never really got into the alpha male thing myself (probably because I joined a student association where everyone was welcome non-student too. So I interacted with people of all kinds on a regular basis), it seems like most that cover the problems with this ideology are very ridiculing and look down from their high horse basically. Which does more harm than good imo. Who is going to listen to people that actively ridicule their beliefs.
And you are absolutely right, I have struggled with this too. But i was lucky to find myself in a very diverse environment at a relatively young age (18 I think, when i started college. In 2010 at least so quite a while back).
So I very much applaud this video content!
@@Quadr44t I was never actually into the alpha male persona per se. You could even say I looked down on it. I've just always wanted to have tons of money and a rocking 6-pack and get laid all the time. The results have been disappointing for all three. My masculinity has always been on the fragile side.
I Loved Your bit about Darwin in the epilogue. Yes he did infer there is a “survival of the fittest” in his Natural Selection Theory but many cut it off at “fittest” when in reality he said something closer to “Survival of the fittest to adapt.” The world and it’s nature are ever changing. To want to be the same forever is truly a fool’s task
It is correctly stated as "survival of the fittest", but the word "fittest" itself is what's often misinterpreted. Fitness is not just a physical attribute, it's a quantitative measurement of the likelihood of survival/reproduction - taking into account both individual attributes and the state of the surrounding environment. So it's not just a measurement of an organism's abilities, but rather the "personal usefulness" of those abilities in the context of it's surroundings.
Except for horseshoe crabs, those bois haven't had to change in the last 480 million years, they're perfect the way the are ❤️
Thanks for telling us what Darwin said without actually saying anything he said
But the modern world has given way to much significance to the changing aspect and lost its grasp on the human fundamentals
@@cedar4539 that's wrong. The vast majority of people are not seeking self-actualization, that's actually a very rare thing throughout human history. There have allways been scholars, be it for the spiritual, mental or physical. The modern insistence on a lack of any imperative given out by those people is a social disease. If you belive yourself to be capable to seek your own path go ahead but do not deprive the less fortunate from a guiding light.
Growing up one of the many ideals of masculinity was that men could fix and build things with tools. If you watch a lot of DIY youtubers those guys seem a lot more secure in their masculinity than most guys in the alpha-sphere. Their masculinity comes a lot less from external sources.
yeah its the difference between looking at a channel solely abt how to get into better shape and/or bodybuilding. and one that teaches you how to be more of a man through working out. one of them wants to be better, one wants the world to know they are better
@@amb600cd0 modern bodybuilding has been bastardised. It used to be about so much more.
That desire you spoke at the beggining. Tis the longing for connection and to be part of a conscious humanity. Right now we are part of a self murdering humanity based on lies and working towards death. Almost forgotten by yhe time the ending rolls in, there are no wrong ways to individually "be" but there's plenty of responsibility we have been collectively avoiding. The burden of so many, the banality of evil.
@@absolutewanker9384 I agree and disagree. While the general bodybuilder is represented by the phony fake natural instagram influencer that is more concerned with shoveling lies in the form of a preworkout supplement they claim got them to their natural figure there are also really amazing people in the space still. A lot more people being open about testosterone usage and a significant support toward more accessibility to newcomers has I think improved the scene immensely. The machismo energy of comparative size is less than what I think it used to be with fantastic role models like Chris Bumstead kind of leading the scene.
If the ladies don't find you handsome they should at least find you handy.
In my friend group, the ones that got hooked the most with the weird misogynistic evo-psych-ish rethoric were the ones of us that didn't have much interests. When you are a dude bad at sports teachers kind of perceive you as smart/intellectually inclined by default, and it becomes part of your personality (and ego). It was rough growing up and being academically surpassed by mostly women, so probably we were searching for a rationale of why they were getting better results than us if we were, supposedly, the smart ones. Red pill, manosphere content was just that.
Even though I'm ashamed of the things I thought (and did) back then, now I realize that it was a way for us to cope with our own mediocrity. I don't know how to word it but we didn't necessarily want to be shitty to women, but to feel good without having any merits. Growing up and pursuing my passions helped me let go of that bitterness.
Growing up is apart of life, we love to see it
Good on you for recognizing this. Have a good day/night.
Well, here's another thing to learn: not all people are like you, not all people have the same responses to the same problems, and, even more important-not all people derive the same lesson from, for example, Jordan Peterson's lectures. When you were using such content as a shield, others, me included, used it to turn their life's around.
Talk more to the people that aren't like you. You need to learn.
@@user-zb6qi5iz1z well, i have yet to know someone that grew as a person from listening to a guy that thinks that ancient civilizations knew about the structure of dna just because they drew spirals. You are right, maybe a I haven't knew enough people.
Growing up is the answer to a lot of this. Unfortunately, a lot of online dialogue is being driven by people that haven't done it yet.
Being a real man is to stop caring about what being a man is, you're a person just try living a wholesome life. Love y'all
@haomavarga that is the real question
That and not being a pussy is important.
Wholesomeness is no more secure a mooring than the idea of masculinity.
Thats foolish
@haomavarga it’s whatever you decide it to be. Live by your own moral code and ideals. Not what someone else dictates. Even you want to be super “masculine” than do it. If you want to paint your nails cuz you like it then do it. Basically live the way you like
Respect for putting together this comprehensive thread on a topic that's honestly both always relevant but past its topicalness
yes
It isn't passed the topic when men still cannot maintain a relationship.
@@measlesplease1266 True. There's so much to fix.
@@measlesplease1266 no, modern western women just aren't worth the relationship anymore.
I disagree with the assertion this content is ever, "past its topicalness," if what you intend to convey was this subject is no longer, "... of immediate relevance, interest, or importance owing to its relation to current events;" (Google) because we have not reached a moment as a world, a society or even a given culture in which this is not an on going issue, not just for men, but for people at large. Very few people truly understand, let alone embrace, the concept of "enough."
You know the Sisyphus video is getting real when Autumn Leaves starts playing.
As a woman, I have always found it very strange that not only men but also women feel the strong need to be the best representation and act the best to present their gender
I never wake up and think "I'm feeling very woman today" I wake up, feel like myself and have an existential crisis of "who am I".
I want to be me, myself, whoever she is and I think "women" very loosely ties into that 'me' but is not my entire identity as a person.
And during my teens I had a very strong urge to be "not like other girls" until I grew up a little and realized there are no "other girls" to be so scared of.
We are all individuals looking to be loved and validated.
So I act how I want and look how I want, which is a scary yet very calming at the same time because you embrace the ugly parts of yourself yet present them proudly to the world.
TL:DR I went from a very sad little girl who only wore oversized black hoodies to a rainbow fashion disaster because colors are fun 😊
Only Females are Women. Desperate closeted homosexuals are Autogynephiles 🤡
@@terrorists-are-among-us what
A liberating mindset!
Because the majority of people feel most comfortable in traditional gender roles. I don't think many people wake up feeling "woman" or "man", they embrace the construct and find variation inside of it, because there is indeed a lot to choose. The idea of a man or a woman is so broad even in a classical sense that you pick any identity that resonates with you. Man can be strong and ambitious testosterone-filled machines or brave and honorable yet sensitive knights. Girls can be strong and reliable or weak and soft, or unpredictable and chaotic. We are all individuals indeed but don't get bound by a thought that old-school woman image is somehow limiting, I feel like as we've started putting labels on everything, we made human interaction only worse. Certain things don't need names, they don't need to organized, structured or explained by some guy on the internet, I believe.
@@BoxCox but then, who defines the roles? I feel as if this is self defeating, because attaching yourself to a role you'll never satisfy is an endless, and seemingly pointless venture. If however, simply attaching to the role and acting as you are in it is, well, again, self-defeating. What is the use of these roles if one is simply accomplishing themselves in them, if they are not adhering to that framework anyway?
Autumn Leaves is the perfect outro for this video. Every time I hear this iconic melody I gaze into my incompleteness and mortality while embracing it with acceptance, that this doesnt need to be so bad at all. Your video helped me verbalizing this message I just feel hearing this beloved jazz tune.
@Steve L. Too bad so many generations drift further and further away from jazz. Even the young practitioners approach it as a thing of more rigor than freedom. And maybe that’s a better language for our time. But we can still learn much from times past.
sounds like one of those pre-sets on $100. keyboards, like greensleeves
btw, to hear my original composition, calling god, play amazing grace on telephone setting
@@intellectually_lazycomedically terrible
While this is a great deconstruction and analysis of masculine identity, I feel like it could largely be applied to identity as a whole. Any form of identity requiring validation or confirmation will necessarily become enslaved to others. There will always be those thinking what it should or shouldn't consist of, and where it's value ought be on the social ladder. Its as boundless as humans are opinionated. And if you wish to fight for it, prepare for a battle without end.
Whether it be gendered, occupational, educational, hierarchical or sexual, the impersonal identities requiring validation and confirmation will never be free of problems that can't be solved. The true self, the authentic self, has no labels.
Well said
There is no self. There are self-states. Liquidity. Not immutability.
Yes. I knew from a young age that I wasn’t straight, but a label like “lesbian” or “bisexual” always seemed so limited, inaccurate, and fuels division and hierarchy. So I went with the label that effectively isn’t one, and requires little explanation: pansexual. There are no bounds to who I could possibly be attracted to. Anyone anywhere, if hot, is hot. Crucially, it doesn’t give people room to question the decisions that I make about my life, because “pan” is effectively a nonlabel that just says “I’ll like who I like.”
My identity is Shaun; Shaun is who I am. Anything I do is a Shaun thing to do, because Shaun is doing it; Anything I want is a Shaun thing to desire, because Shaun is desiring it. I don't have issues with striving towards an identity because I'm already inhabiting it. I require no validation or confirmation, I know that I'm me and that's all I need to be. Other people might think I'm not me, but that's their issue. Whether they believe I'm me or not, I remain.
none of what you said is true.
not saying this is you,but weak people who are envious of others achievements will always try to find a way to get rid of that envy. they'll tell you to turn the other cheek when somebody slaps you, don't boast, don't be proud of your achievements, being successful is actually a weakness, and being a "kind"(which isn't really kindness, more likely harmlessness and weakness) is a virtue, being weak is actually strength and acknowledging your strength is weakness.
to refute your argument about identites that need validation being enslaved, i'll say this:
people who get validated aren't slaves, because people who validate have no other choice BUT to validate. you don't get to choose who you love,or who you like. you don't get to control your emotions or beliefs, if somebody is worth something, you have no other choice BUT to validate them, therefore they aren't your slaves,but your role-models instead. nobody gets to decide where you are on the dominace hyerarchy, hyerarchies are objective and individual perceptions don't affect where you stand. you stand where you stand and that's all you are.
authentic self is only good if it stands high on the hyerarchy, and attaching different labels on it isn't gonna change anything. authentic self is useless if it doesn't stand high on they hyerarchy. people can authentically be freaking losers, this isn't good for them and it shouldn't be celebrated just beccause it's authentic. you can authentically be living in your mom's basement in your 30's and celebrating something like this is completely nonsensical.
Ever since the OliSUNvia collab, I hoped that F.D. Signifier would be here one day.
That day has come, and it is glorious.
I have found all i needed in martial arts interestingly. It gave me brutal strength, realistic confidence while it cultivated and put in place my ego. That in synthesis with my intellectual needs, reading, philosophy, gave me holistic reflexion i needed.
Could you recommend a worthy book from the top of your head? I want to read something but can't choose, and don't know where to start
@@deekay6474 read as much as possible of anything that you find stimulating
Hell yea bro!
If you have friends that are girls in middle school and high school than seeing past red pill is too easy
This is because loneliness often results in a resentment towards women and attracts these lonely young men to figures who criticize women and tell them “It’s not your fault women reject you, it’s society’s.” Loneliness comes in all forms, you can feel lonely due to lack of peers, lack of support from family, lack of role models, not just with women. What makes rejection from women harder is due to the fact that it is emasculating and creates insecurity in one’s masculinity. The red pill movement utilizes the same mindset as Qanon and other conspiracy theories, “If you agree with me you have done your research and are smart, and if you disagree it is because you are brainwashed and your opinions have all formed due to the lies of society.”
"Concepts are a limited guideline to understand the world" is something I've been trying to put into words for so long.
This essay is not at all what I thought it would be; it's much more and far better. It made me think, ot made me question my beliefs. And most importantly, it's going to make talk to other people and really _listen_ to other perspectives on this issue.
Also: everyone should be allowed to wear pants - anytime and anywhere.
pants are cool
What a brave and controversial take
I hate pants ;_;
@@fee8422 why tho? :( they so comfy tho
@@heinzarniaung2915 I'd rather wear skirts or leggings :(
Wow. Just... wow. As someone who troughout the pandemic has been able diverge away from pre-existing gender norms to embrace their individuality, this video is everything I would've needed and touches on every single reflection I have had in the past 3 years. I can only hope it goes to help others.
My grandfather wasn't rich, in fact, by any modern metric he was poor. He did however build his house and farm and raise 6 kids later resulting in many grandchildren. He was loved and respected by all. He transferred his values to his children. Divorce, cheating, abuse, drunkenness were foreign concepts to him that were as possible as jumping off a bridge, in that, sure you could. He embodied the "priest, prophet, and king" model of what a man should be even if im not sure he ever heard of it per se.
Fantastic video. I ended up on a very similar journey, falling into the manosphere and eventually finding my way out with the help of some good influences, both men and women. I especially like the quote by Bell Hooks: “To know love, men must be willing to let go of the need to dominate.” I haven’t just learned this, I have lived this. I have much more fulfilling relationships now because I have learned to find an understanding of masculinity that is fundamentally built on connection rather than subjugation.
You can never let go off the need to dominate that’s when you die as a men
@@ruthless7879 to what end and for what purpose?
Reminder that some who “die as a man” are “reborn as a man” too. When one is vague & mystical about this stuff then there’s lots of ways for the story of manhood to continue in cool ways too often ignored by people who don’t really exercise their imagination on the subject.
That sounds super gay
@@ruthless7879 don't worry dude you'll get there.
I despise the idea of a absolute value of a man or a woman. YOU have 80 or so years on this planet , you won’t be remembered in 160 or so years (generally speaking) why let people tell you how to live when you can make your own meaning?
very good, I Agree
How is it then that some men are in fact remembered more 160 years after their death? It was through the process of attempting to become known after their death that they increased their personal value. They grew as person. Therefore stop coping, start growing.
@ increased what? Lol, Ted Bundy will be remembered in 160 years. Being famous doesn't make you valuable or good.
@@dannyarcher438 yeah well I think he meant for u to aspire to be like people more akin to Martin Luther King and what have you, not serial killers. The difference between famous and infamous.
@@ismailomar1068 Kim Kardashian is more famous than Dr King right now. The "famous system" he presents is a terrible philosophy to live by.
As someone who has digested the whole red pill and seen past it to make society better than the red pill ever could, I think that this is a great video
Pfft, i don't believe you. If you really had digested the red pill you would never go back. You are just a Cypher.
@Raul Deen The redpill sells itself and believes that it is the _ultimate reality._ Adherents would laugh if you claimed to see behind it…but perhaps complacently…
It's been almost a year since I had a sudden and painful realization that what I was chasing was harming myself and those around me. I'm still trying to figure out what I am, and my self esteem has suffered for it. This video makes me feel recognized, and I appreciate you for putting it out.
I've watched many videos on the manosphere over the past few months, but this one is probably the most comprehensive and interesting to view through a philosophical lens. as always I found your video empathetic and thoughtful :) thanks
Growing up I found it to be quite underwhelming when I did actually reach the ideals of masculinity, but depressing and worrying whenever I couldn't. There was an asymmetry and emptiness to it all. I think that led to me eventually understanding the fact of masculinity being nothing more social construction, which was a scary idea but eventually became immensely comforting. something I could critique and choose to listen to or ignore. After that you gain the freedom to be a 'man' in whatever way you want, which I think leads to an authenticity that just makes life easier and better. I used to feel insecure about the 'feminine' aspects of my personality but now I feel most proud of them and happy to have them.
In the coming times of privation and crisis you will see that masculinity is not a construct. It is something needed to survive. If a barbarian robber has a knife to your throat you won't be thinking about deconstructing his masculinity.
Yeah, I always viewed masculinity as embracing who you are and doing whats right for the ones you love. But, I think that definition depends on your role model, as many people exemplify. So, I'd like to thank my dad for being a good role model and god for letting me be so lucky.
Social construction?
Are the behavioural/psychological effects of testosterone socially constructed? If it's socially constructed, why do more egalitarian countries exhibit greater differences in personality between genders?
@@immanuelcunt7296 you are still making your point based on the idea that gender expression is a social construction if it can vary across cultures. It's like you didn't understand anything discussed in the video
@@immanuelcunt7296 Looks like he's saying that the concept/ideal of masculinity is a social construct, not that a man can't be naturally masculine
Your transitioning screens between chapters are great. The calm clips and music.
As I’d probably label myself a fairly feminine guy who lives in Scotland I certainly didn’t realise the absolute depths that this whole ‘manosphere’ goes it’s wild. I’m a dad and certainly never required any overt masculinity myself when it come to self worth or meeting women but I can appreciate I’m a single person in that sense. But in my work life I have interacted with some young boys/men who seem to fit this bill and it always confused me why they cared so much about others perception and let it drive there behaviour. Quite aware of incel types and there whole thing but it’s very interesting getting such insight and listening how you’ve made such changes in your life, you should be proud of your introspection and I really hope this helps some others out that need it. Much love my guy, newcomer but I’ll stick around.
Also if any young men see this which they might not I’d implore you to seek something you really care about as an individual, I’ve found love in many people and different passions that honestly make each day worth living that don’t conform to any ridged ideals. You’ll find your own happiness when you start working out who you are, not how you are perceived.
There is no 'you' independently. 'you' are 'you' when you are perceived.
Beautiful analysis of masculinity. Helps with understanding the bizarre "alpha-chad" culture shift we find ourselves in. Thank you Sisyphus. Very insightful. You inspire me to do better.
Remember, it’s ok to be weak and achieve nothing in life!
@@absolutewanker9384 Who the F wants to remember that?
@@absolutewanker9384 No it is not! But becoming a bitter a$$hole and a self proclaimed alpha is also stupid.
@@absolutewanker9384 is that how you interpreted this? How would you define weakness? And what exactly counts as an achievement? What are we supposed to achieve?
@@absolutewanker9384 nobody said that it's about achieving things that make you happier
Serious comment: I really don't like the underlying assumption that men's problems aren't "real" in the sense that other groups' problems are. Like, when we talk about men exhibiting aggrieved entitlement, we're saying very explicitly that men do not deserve the improvements in quality of life that they're looking for. What kind of person would look a lonely, financially destitute person in the eye and say to them, "You do not deserve the success you're looking for"? Is this how we want to be engaging with our fellow human beings?
i find that they meant that their problems come from more personality causes. like a bad upbringing and opposed to systematic oppression. everyone deserves more quality of life, but some people trip over their shoelaces far more than others. and yet still refuse to tie them.
These people aren’t liberal, they view everything in terms of group dynamics. If a man has problems, he’ll get treated as the rest of his ‘oppressive’ group identity. This is why some men gravitate to the horrible redpill shit since it’s a classic outgroup attack response.
That's because they say they're entitled to being loved by having a gf, no one is entitled to being loved.
Other than than that issue i don't know what you mean by aggrieved entitlement.
Agreed. That was the only part of this video which was both pervasive and which I don't agree with. The struggles of the straight-white young man are fundamentally viewed in a different light than those of minority groups. It is entitlement rather than healthy aspiration, toxic aggression rather than rightful protest. Ironically in the video it is emphasized that empathy and compassion are the best tools in decreasing in-group/out-group hostility. Yet it is so notoriously difficult to extend this compassion to men in this category.
It is not a wonder to me that so many young men find solace in the words of public figures like Jordan Peterson. The whole world seemingly regards your disadvantages as irrelevant, at best, and deserved or earned, at worst. For naught but being born straight and/or white, you are either to sacrifice your self-worth on the altar of social justice, or clamor in the opposite direction, rooting your identity as deeply as possible in traditional (and toxic) masculine stereotypes.
Young men hear what they _shouldn't_ be so often, yet are never given hints as to what they _should_ be. The manosphere/alpha male/redpill communities therefore have an advantage because they offer a path, providing rigid guidance rather than arbitrary admonishments. Young men need good role models, not lectures on the patriarchy that they had no choice of participation in.
@@emiliosalazar9962 i'm not making a comparison, women also feel entitled to stuff but criticising those entitlements is good, we shouldn't make excuses for these behaviours regardless of gender.
For a long time, I couldn't not put it, this feeling you described into words.
Thank you, for helping me give words to what I have been going through for the last 3 years.
May everyone here find the answers they are looking for.
what a STEP UP from 10 min videos to full fledged mini documental! Have been following your channel for years and will keep on doing it! Love to see your evolution ;)
Thank you for your work. This provided a lot of understanding and context for a lot of the things I have been going through recently, dealing with identity crisis for most of my life and feeling myself being swayed to extremes. Buddhism helps me the most in staying centred, remembering to keep finding the middle way. 🙏
The effort you put in this video is amazing. Thank you for keeping the content rich with sources and also your personal insight and interpretation. Beautiful stuff man 👍
Great video! I am a middle aged guy with ASD, and have always been faced with the usual animosity you could expect a quiet, bookworm type to be forced to contend with. Finally, I have learned to follow my own path regardless of what others think and have all but shed these archaic concepts of what a "man should be" and what "a real woman" is.
I feel like I can see the world so much more clearly after watching your videos. I'm so happy to grow up with this in my life
this video is a great reflection of the manosphere. i hope the figures in the community start a discussion about this video
Agree
read that as "I hope the fungus in the community start a discussion about this video"
I too hope for this but am doubtful it will come, especially via the figureheads of the movement. Though I do hope this will reach those on the periphery, the audiences and smaller creators, and engender evaluation.
They are too dumb
@@shanefoster2132 Recently just left the movement, and from what I can tell it's almost dead. Andrew Tate will still be here, no doubt, but anything without his level of fame is gone. I used to consume all this "Reject Modernity" shit, and from cleaning up my recommendations, it was a flash in the pan. From 300k views in a week to barely scratching 10k. The discussion will never come, or if it does nobody will hear it. Ultimately, by the end of the year the last idiots screaming about this shit will move on or go underground.
I think this is one of your best and most important videos you've made
Hard agree
Between this and bell hooks video, I am now a fan of your work. This video explained the allure of the Manosphere in an elegant, concise and entertaining way. Bravo!
Phenomenal video essay! Thanks for putting it together. I know there are so many others like myself who need or will need to hear this. Definitely going to revisit this in the future to make sure I'm asking myself the right questions. Good stuff man:)
Your channel has helped me a lot over the past couple of years, to reflect, serving as a reminder to listen to people around me and to try to be more understanding.
I really admire how you can handle such polarizing and difficult topics so calmly.
As a former manosphere individual, this video makes me feel so seem! Great job!
You will never be a woman
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@@yellowcake3468A to believe
your channel is the reason why i chose to take a philosophy class in school. however these videos did not take into account how much people will talk down to you in a philosophy class! either way, i’m excited to learn more about philosophy in a formal education setting while still watching your channel in my free time :) hope my brain doesn’t overload
Forgive me if I am mistaken but you.... You chose philosophy? 🗿.
Like a college degree? Or just in school? Sounds dope mate
I'm curious to know your experience with being talked down to in philosophy, if you're interested in sharing.
philosophy is on par with psychology for being the class for people too stupid to do biology which is the most basic science class. I am sorry but I have to make fun of you for picking such a dumb subject.
@@romanianturk2101 Is their somthing wrong with taking it? I have considered it as my minor but its between that or theatre.
you’re one of my favorite content creators bro, i love your videos and your ideas and the way you interconnect concepts and edit your videos, it’s really awesome :)👍
This is your best video dude! incredibly comprehensive, topical, easy to understand yet still teaching some very complex topics. Bravo! Hope to see more long form content like this in the future
God damn this was good, I couldn’t explain any of it better or know as much. Truly great content!
what a beautiful piece. you rarely see a video be this refined and efficient at getting its point across. i love the way you tied your story into the video. you did an outstanding job and i am proud of you even tho i have very little of an idea who you are. and i hope that you are proud too.
This video is so thoughtful. It brings so many ideas to mind. It’s worth watching it multiple times I think.
Thanks, Sysiphus. You're a real bro for providing this.
Thank you for making this video, its insightful in looking at this phenomenon, but i do feel in this video that sometimes the extremes of “manosphere” is taken as the common principles of it. Being loving & caring is also a part of mascuinity, increasing abilities of self through learning new skills and exploring the world can, and is considered as masculinity. From a personal experience, the red pill community is self growth, physical fitness, sitting down in the morning at the desk and jotting down goals to accomplish and staying disciplined to finish the goals. Being a follower of the red pill community does not always mean dreaming of a guy with a expensive watch or a luxury car, but enjoying the finer things in life - family, friendship and community and being ambitious in the things an individual loves to do. It does not include hating on things - being the angry young man(hilarious term tho it may be😂). But i really do appreciate the making of the video as it allows discussions like this and makes people think and question themselves and their ideologies. Those who sexualise women can go fuck themselves.
Simply a masterpiece !
This is the first time seen one of his videos and I kinda like it, it's quite soothing and his voice with the music just combined so well
As long as men outsource their own fulfilment, joy, motivation and contentment they will cling and attach to "in groups". Doesn't matter if you are straight, gay, bi, trans, left, right or whatever. Awakened masculine energy does not need validation. A man does what he is called to do. He is who he is without worrying about appearance or opinion of others. An awakened masculine energy is a creator, protector, builder and leader. Everything else is just attachment. Boys crying over perceived issues or lack of validation. These discussions get one thing right. Man up and be yourself. Don't let anyone define who you should be but don't angrily project onto others who they should be either. Social programming wants you to compete and be divided. So called male gurus thrive and profit from your doubt in being yourself and seek to mold you in the way that will aid them or validate them. You are all you need men. Money, women, muscles, cars, prestige and so forth are nothing but distraction to your own journey to self-actualization. Go beyond the bias and comfort of familiar views. Your role as men is to protect, build, create but also to love, feel, imagine and see. No awakened man worries about other men or competes with them. He only competes and masters himself. Stop seeking validation and fulfilment outside yourself. You are all you need. Everything else is just bonus. Be blessed brothers.
I wish more people told that to men! 'You are all you need', perfectly said and addresses the root
i absolutly love the style of your videos and the topics also happen to be super interesting. Love it
i am literally at 1:01 in the video and i'm gonna go* on a bike ride and listen to this. Such a fan of your channel really inspires me to be a more expressive creative. thanks
Dude, don't comment and drive...
I think you misinterpreted
Thank you for this video. The whole 'rejecting or accepting orders is alike because of the one giving the orders' I've never really thought about before. And that outside pressures should not be a large factor in my life for my decisions.
I should choose to make my own decisions based off what I want and not what others expect of me. I can't believe it's taken me this long to realise and internalise this.
This video was amazing. Words cannot describe how much I appreciate videos like this. Keep up the good work.
you should probably write a book about this, you have enough material to make something really complete and inspiring
Started watching in 2017 but haven’t commented much, figured this would be a good time to. Thanks for all the content you’ve made over the years, your journey has influenced mine and I think it has been for the best. If the manosphere happened when I was in middle school I can absolutely imagine falling down that path. Your channel provided a similar but more positive fulfillment. Keep up the work and I dedicate this comment to the a l g o r i t h m.
this whole space on youtube is so full of reddit energy
Always nice to see another one of your long-form vids being put :)
I absolutely enjoy these longer, in-depth experiences. More please
I relate to your story; this entire video made me feel so heard. Thank you for making this and putting it out there. I wish I saw it before I made as many mistakes.
This was a good exploration, I feel a lot more confident moving forward in knowing what I need to do. Thank you Sisyphus
So as i see it -
Boys are told to be strong, to stop crying, to not look back and to not rely on others and if they dont do that then other people, mostly men, will see them as weak and will abuse them.
Musculinity represents fear of community and love for self.
On the other hand, girls are told to be kind, expressive, thoughtful of others, sometimes even to be subserviant, etc. and if they dont do that then they will be forgotten, forever alone and sad.
Femininity represents fear of self and love for community.
I haven't watched your stuff in a long time, but I am glad I came back. This is a beautiful and personal dissection of a complex issue.
This video brings me confusion, and that is always uncomfortable feeling, yet it makes desire to further discover and unveil the various paths I’ve taken over my life.
My general advice in life that I aspire to live by is just be kind for the sake of being kind, and to me, that's what "manly" is.
i find often when you remove the strange performance and hierarchical aspects of what bring a man should be, you just get the plans for what being a good person should be.
@K10 i thought i would kinda poking fun at the idea of "manly", yknow.
HOLY SHIT! This is my absolute favorite video you have ever done. This may be the best video on youtube period (at least as far as I have seen). Bravo.
I’m also very happy that you’re looking into and applying Buddhist practice. I cannot tell you how incredible and fulfilling the Dharma is…as you have now found/are now finding out-just Bravo.
Also: I love the oceanographer motif. Makes me think of The Life Aquatic in the best way.
I love your vids. And this is one of the best (*accessible/fun) on the subject, without losing any of the request depth the subject deserves. Thank you.
Thank God this video exists and its very complete. This Is such a good start for self education about societal issues without resorting to the stereotypes that would usually harm the discourse
hey man! This video is a great resource for finding reading materials on the subject and very well presented :)) I'm working on an article for a Scottish magazine on the same issue. I don't have as much room to discuss as you have put in this and I'm mainly going to focus on the pre-radicalization phase of the Manosphere, kind of the waterline of the iceberg. I want to look show people who might not be very aware of it what the surface of this area looks like and also what role algorithms and idolism plays in trapping people who may have originally been seeking entertainment in that ideological echo chamber. Thank you again for this video :))
i love the editing on this video. i’m a sucker for the old clips shower between sections it give it so much more character
Wow, really detailed! I couldn't complete it but the research and thought given to each part is great.
thank you for providing such a clear, well written, heartfelt essay on both the manosphere as seen from the perspective of many scholars but more importantly from your own lived and learned experience.
as a man who drives forklifts for a living and runs my femboy page in my spare time, thankyou for speaking for those in the middle ground. in a world of extreme opinions, thankyou for bringing levelheadedness to discuss this
Damn, non-binarism be damned, the femboy can work a forklift
You have my utmost respect
Ahaha that’s crazy man haha.
Insta tho? Asking for a friend
I’m so proud of how far your channel has come. Thank you thank you for the advice these past few years. You’ve helped more than you know!
Im returning to this video again. I've used it alot and i send it to women to help them understand men.
The problem of hating women is giant today, also these ideals feed unjustice with unjust accountability.
I wholeheartedly deem this video a masterpiece. It is just so filled with sympathi. Thank you for this channel, my favourite one on youtube 👏👏🙌
this was a great video, i never thought about how your cultural and political analysis would be but this was great, i would love to see more
I loved this topic and the bravery it took to say lots of those key points. I have struggled with masculinity conceptions as well, but I believed it was somewhat ironic hearing about the identity struggle as a white male. The race aspect does not bother me, but as a half Mexican half white American, I have struggled with not only that identity confidence crisis but with forms of passive aggressive discrimination, which can have a bigger impact on an individual and their relationship with their persona. I just believe that this is an important aspect of the discussion on masculinity and its struggles.
I want to say thank you for the video it was an enjoyable watch. I my self feel as though I am currently going through an identity crisis and honestly I'm not sure what to do. I mean I'm a year away from graduating college and possibly going to medical school and I feel happy or at least everyone says I should be happy and proud yet I feel like as though I am not enough. I feel insufficient as a man, a son, a brother, a friend, and a partner. I feel as though I'm free falling in infinite darkness and I just power through day by day telling myself the next day will be better, that I'll feel some satisfaction with my self. However, this never happens the cycle just repeats. No one has taught me how to find worth in this life and I am not sure if it is something I learn myself or if life will teach me that lesson eventually. I value the people around me and I do my best to not take anyone for granted. The reason I point this out is because the video gives clear indication as to what the traps of the said "manosphere" is and how it is to fall into those. Yet how does one currently suffering from a similar experience to yours find fulfillment? Because I can postulate to myself a variety of individual solutions that may potentially work, but I don't understand how to be a man when society either teaches you to hate women, and everyone else that some people in society decide should be under the prescribed ideal man. Or it teaches you to let go of the idea of masculinity in general. Neither of those seem correct to me in any sense. I don't believe anyone should have to be something predetermined by society or by other people. I believe it should be an individual action to find your own identity, but an identity that those not impose domination or hierarchy on everyone else. Is there some book or something I can do to discover my own identity?
Quick side note. In the epilogue you mention Charle's Darwin's hypothesis "Survival of the fittest" stating that organisms were flexible and could adapt to their ever changing environmental conditions. Generally this is a misconception. Organisms don't adapt, they experience mutations and if the mutations are favorable and allows the organism to survive longer, then that organism is considered fit. Fitness in Darwin's terms simply implies that an organism lives sufficiently long to produce offspring in a generally variable environment. A very good example that illustrates this idea is giraffes and leaves. Giraffes didn't evolve by growing their necks individually to be able to reach the leaves on a tree. Some giraffes had mutations that gave them a slightly longer neck which allowed them to eat some of the leaves on trees, these giraffes were more likely to live longer and pass on these traits.
Again, thank you for the video.
This was great!!!!!! Inspired to pour back into the life I get to live bearing these points in mind. Thank you!
Great video, man! Good to see you change grow as a person!
I love how you talked about FD Signifier’s videos. You’re both some of my favorite creators, probably my two favorite video essayists ❤️👍
i kinda dont like him fd fellow
I fucking love these videos man, great job
This is such a good and essential video. Thank you so much.
Probably one of the best videos I have ever watched. Well organized and well done. You critiqued masculinity in a way that anyone can accept. And then beautifully wrapped it all up with a great epilogue. Well done
The part that really got to me was the part about lobster tears and the whole dehumanisation section. When I was on the outskirts of the manosphere, I kept hearing all of these terrible things being said about women and I always doubted a lot of them, but for some reason I felt like I couldn’t deny their claims because… well, I’m not a woman. As a result, they managed to drill this idea of “what women say and what women do are two different things.” And I never bought into it, but I just felt like I couldn’t give up that facade because they told me that I was pathetic for doing it.
Dont judge people by what they say. Judge them by their doings.
*Except women*
Better?
Wow - an absolute masterpiece. Thank you.
Honestly, thank you. This is amazing.
Beautifully done and such an important topic, thank you so much for the hard work you put into this video.
I loved this video
I like the longer ones because it gives me more time to sit and think on the subjects you spoke of
I hope you're able to get to where you where you want to be with your personal growth,
although, what will that mean
cool profile picture
I really should clean my room, though.
Very good video. Thoughtful, well researched, and a much needed navigation of our current social context. Thank you!
What a beautiful video. I really enjoyed it. Not only did I get the chance to learn a lot, but you also brought up points that made me self reflect.
this channel is so cracked wtf i just watched like 3 hours worth of content i have laundry to fold
Hope he’s fair to show that Peterson saying “if all the women are rejecting, it’s not them, it’s you” is a starkly different message than Tate saying to literally mistreat women.
Jordan Peterson also says some disgusting things about women
@@ethybubs even if you could take what he says out of context and in the most bad faith way, you couldn’t possibly make the argument he’s at the same level of Andrew Tate.
@@Trapping_ackbar7 up yours, woke moralist. we'll see who cancels who
@@Trapping_ackbar7 I feel no need to split hairs, they both encourage misogyny amongst young men.
@@ethybubs not really
this definitely is my favorite video of yours so far and it's also probably one of your best!
Thanks sisyphus this video really helped me