Sig Sauer M11A1 "P228" Review

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    Clarification: I am aware that the milled slide was introduced to handle the power of the .357 Sig. I was asking about stamped carbon steel because the German Sig factory continued to make stamped carbon steel P series handguns until a few years ago. I understand that carbon steel is cheaper to produce, but I was wondering why Sig Germany stuck with it while the Exteter facility was making milled slides. My theory was that there was little benefit to switching over, because some of the hotter rounds that would necessitate a milled slide are banned in Germany. The answer that they didn't want to spend the money switching equipment also makes sense.

Komentáře • 119

  • @richardkluesek4301
    @richardkluesek4301 Před 3 lety +5

    M11A1 is a version of the 229, and is the best variation for the package of features and benefits.

  • @michimadiforever1458
    @michimadiforever1458 Před rokem +4

    That’s not why they don’t use stainless steel in Germany on the original 228 …the U.S. decided to use stainless steel when we started making the slides for Sigs when we introduced the P229 in .40 caliber and of course, now we’re making everything in United States, and that added a ton of weight to it, the 228 was much lighter, using the alloy steel slides.

  • @brandanb9735
    @brandanb9735 Před 6 lety +9

    I was issued a M11 on a DoD civilian deployment. Despite having not touched a pistol in years I shot a perfect qualification score with it, a testament to the pistol's quality. The gun rode out my deployment chilling in my tent.

  • @taffbanjo
    @taffbanjo Před 4 lety +12

    The m11A1 is, in effect, a P229 without the accessory rail.

    • @tomg2304
      @tomg2304 Před 3 lety +1

      don't forget the STR, normally not on every P229

    • @taffbanjo
      @taffbanjo Před 3 lety

      @@tomg2304 Fair comment - I thought all the latest P229s had the SRT.

  • @johndeere1951a
    @johndeere1951a Před 5 měsíci

    Metal ✅
    No striker fire dingus❌
    No polymer ❌
    Great ShortResetTrigger✅
    Hefty weight✅
    Full length slide rails✅
    Great enthusiast review ✌️

  • @3.2Carrera
    @3.2Carrera Před 5 lety +3

    My brother just got the M11A1 and I like it very much. I'm going to get back into getting proficient with my P series guns and just did a service on my 1989 P220 and will do the same with my P228 this week.

  • @danahall1575
    @danahall1575 Před rokem +2

    Really nice review. I always wanted one of those. They are great looking on appearance. Thanks.

  • @taffbanjo
    @taffbanjo Před 5 lety +3

    As a Brit, following the Dunblane Massacre, I only got to shoot when I came to the US. As it happens, the first hand gun I fired was a P226 and the last one, in 2009, was a P229. I''ve no use for a rail so for me, the ultimate Sig is an M11 A1. Wonderful handgun! Or possibly a P225 A1. I just wish I was in a position to choose...

  • @kanaloa38
    @kanaloa38 Před 9 lety +5

    Sig can name it what ever they want. And they want to sell guns, so good for them in renaming it for what it is. It's an amazing gun market these days with all kind of civilian customer focus designed guns. Another plus for purchasing a real P228 is that it uses P226 mags (great if you happen to have a P226 or three. If you like,that trigger, you should try a P226 SAO. I have one and love the same trigger pull each time I pull the trigger. Very nice review...keep up the good work!

  • @taylorx2
    @taylorx2 Před 8 lety +9

    Got this pistol, only had it 1 1/2 weeks and have put 600 or so rounds through it. I read bad things about extractor shooting WWB for first 100-200 shots so I used 124gr blazer now I can shoot wwb 119gr or 124 or really defensive loads perfectly and like a nail driver at 10-20 yard's. Amazing gun and super super smooth! I went with the threaded barrel which is a extra 200-300$ when buying as I plan on a NFA license soon but none the less this gun kicks ass! worth every penny and shoots smoother than any gun I've had (walther ppq M1 and M2,Beretta 92fs, glock 19,20,23,26,27,30 and a few rugers. I honestly highly prefer metal internals to plastic polymer (Glock aka block) I used to swear by a glock, Shot this an fell in love instantly!

  • @ChrisM-ne4bc
    @ChrisM-ne4bc Před 2 lety +2

    Its a 228 with a stronger heavy duty slide. Big deal I have the M11A1 & an early P229 in 40 cal. Both great guns.

  • @Tampa370
    @Tampa370 Před 8 lety +4

    When breaking it down since that pistol has a SRT feature you need to use the decocker before the slide comes off. I believes it's in the manual about doing it to prevent damaging it.

  • @machone7580
    @machone7580 Před 4 lety +2

    Agree with you 100%. Don't like the looks of E2 grips, the ones it shipped with are fine. Also agree about the metal. Like that it's metal. Sig's quality is second to none, I love my M11. It shoots very well, way easier to field strip than a 1911. 15+1 capacity when carried. It's a great gun!!

  • @Sigkeeper1
    @Sigkeeper1 Před 6 lety +2

    So about 8 years ago I picked up a West German made P 228 for under $500. Aside from minor holster wear it is in pristine condition. I acquired several factory replacement magazines for a total of 10 mags.I also put Trijicon night sights on it. I see some advantages with the M11 A1 but would be hard pressed to justify spending twice the money to get what is essentially the same gun with a few modifications. Oh, and when comparing side by side with my Glock 19 the Sig shoots a bit better.

  • @asian_mando
    @asian_mando Před 5 lety +3

    Excellent review! I picked up one in tan because of it. 👍

  • @elijahfrank4394
    @elijahfrank4394 Před 6 lety +1

    I’m glad they used a 229 slide, barrel, & frame. Your right it’s a complete 229 setup. I called Sig Sauer they told me even the frame is 229, & if you want to convert it to 40 or 357sig you can. The 229 is a multi caliber firearm vs the 228 is not. I love the classic sig no rail frame great for concealed carry. I agree they should of used the standard trigger vs the thin trigger. I like the short reset trigger system. Sig should of never put the 228 grip on the firearm, they should of just put the original p229 grips on it.

  • @abelperez2931
    @abelperez2931 Před 4 lety +3

    So would you say that this M11 A1 in essence is better than 228 being that the slide is more durable,It has the SRT trigger,and Sig night sights?

  • @collinkennedy5174
    @collinkennedy5174 Před 3 lety +1

    For the occasional range shooter, home defense and LTC gun owner that cleans the weapon and regularly cares for it, they shouldn't run into problems with the sheet steel slide on the original P228. It's lighter, (2oz) and is incredibly well made. (The W German factory knew what they were doing) Look at one, they are solid. Even former police or military refurbished units that are old just show a beautiful holster rubbed patina. I've never been aware of a P228 slide that failed. The milled Stainless slide was done because CNC milling has come a long way, and to make it compatible with other calibers. If you can't tell, I am a fan of the original W. Gernan P228. Not a good gun, an incredible gun. Find one if you can.

  • @danoneill2846
    @danoneill2846 Před 2 lety +1

    I call it P228/229 I think my barrel has 229 on it & the 229 mags fit the grips said 228

  • @CyborgRising
    @CyborgRising Před 2 měsíci

    The P229 and its variants: Elite, Legion, M11-A1, nitrite, etc… will accept P226 and 228 mags and feed reliably. The P229 mags are slightly wider and will not fit the P228. Now, you know ;)

  • @FolkFirearmsCollective
    @FolkFirearmsCollective Před 8 lety +3

    right on man.

  • @jeffhudson2346
    @jeffhudson2346 Před 3 lety +2

    One issue with the 228 is they have a breach block that is pinned in and that pin needs replaced every 3000 rounds or so. The only advantage the p228 has is nostalgia, the p229 is superior in every way to the p228.

    • @CyborgRising
      @CyborgRising Před 2 měsíci

      Where did you hear that lol. 20,000 you should replace some springs.

    • @CyborgRising
      @CyborgRising Před 2 měsíci

      Like literally anything else made by humans

    • @jeffhudson2346
      @jeffhudson2346 Před 2 měsíci

      @CyborgRising to my knowledge that is the factory recommended interval and of course mileage will vary.

  • @88rollins
    @88rollins Před 7 lety +1

    Good video- very informative. Thx.

  • @maxfit68906
    @maxfit68906 Před 8 lety +4

    I used to own an original W.German P228 that I regrettably sold back in the late 90's. I agree. This updated model is better IMO. Updated slide, night sights, SRT, three 15 round magazine, phosphate internals to mention a few. The early releases had some teething issues (extract) but those issues seems to have been remedied by Sig. This is one Sig I'll ALWAYS keep.

    • @GroupCoalition
      @GroupCoalition  Před 7 lety +1

      Be careful, if you tell a Sig fan that this gun is better than the P228 he might get very upset.

  • @taffbanjo
    @taffbanjo Před 6 lety

    Totally agree - great video.

  • @44357514
    @44357514 Před 8 lety +3

    But of course the Trigger Pull depends on which model you chose. The Double Action Only Triggers on their Plastic Frame Handguns are terrible - such as on the P250.

  • @DeCavalcante
    @DeCavalcante Před 9 lety +6

    I love my 228...made in west germany. I shoot this gun better than anything. I still wouldn't mind picking up this m11 a1.

  • @MrVee24
    @MrVee24 Před 9 lety +1

    I literally can't find the 228 anywhere in the u.k :/ but everyone and every where has 229. Its a wind up. Great review though. Favourite gun ever :).

  • @eddiek828
    @eddiek828 Před 9 lety +1

    Love the video! Also bought mine in 2014 and love it. Only one fte after about 1000 rounds probably because it needed cleaning. I love the short reset but I'm not a fan of the thin trigger. Let me know if your able to install the original trigger while keeping the short reset.

    • @GroupCoalition
      @GroupCoalition  Před 9 lety

      I am glad you liked it! The thin trigger doesn't benefit me but it also doesn't bug me that much. I will definitely try to remember to let you know how it works out if I install a standard trigger.

  • @orthogonal1
    @orthogonal1 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Hate the new striker action guns. Not particularly safe IMO. Did like the old HK P7 series, though.

  • @Number-bj1yn
    @Number-bj1yn Před 3 lety +1

    The only thing I hate about the p228 and P229 is the bottom of the clip area where it's not smooth but rugged and seems incomplete as compared to the p226 magazine base design.

  • @eddiek828
    @eddiek828 Před 9 lety +2

    @group, just received my m11a1 back from sig! Included a note stating pistol was inspected, replaced the extractor spring and fired w no malfunctions. This makes me nervous because I thought the extractor had a snapped. But I may have been wrong. New to Florida so looking for a range and I'll drop an update later today

    • @GroupCoalition
      @GroupCoalition  Před 9 lety

      I would trust the Sig armorers; your gun is probably good to go. I'm glad to hear that it's safely back in your hands, man!

    • @andog6092
      @andog6092 Před 9 lety +1

      If your around orlando look up teneroc and saddle creek. Saddle creek is only open wed, fri, and sat but 5 dollars for 3 hours

  • @terry.akascrappydappy9476

    Good video review. I lived in Sweden for 2 years and if you could get your hands on a firearm plus p ammo was not available but those damn Vikings can throw blades like bullets

  • @gunsandammoarmyexpert9189

    Belive me its not true when they say: you can not use 9mm +p, this is not true, Sig produced P220 45 acp with stamped slide and as you know 45 acp its more strong than 9mm +p. Truth is when the sig start produce pistols with stamped slide they saw the fastes way to make pistols in this way till 2007. Just to tell you we use lots of p226 and p228 with +p rounds, and some p220 45 acp with stamped slide, we dont have any issue. Thank for your amazing video, respect for you.

  • @aosaos6821
    @aosaos6821 Před 7 lety +1

    I love mine is have exact same one with no rail can I get a laser light put on. I'm new at shooting and have bad eyes slightly

  • @scottmcnamara4864
    @scottmcnamara4864 Před rokem

    That was a good video for your first one

  • @sswcubes
    @sswcubes Před 8 lety +20

    You could have gone the whole video without mentioning the Glock... Glock not at the same category or level.

    • @eldesgraciado6690
      @eldesgraciado6690 Před 4 lety

      I own Sigs but I'm not a Sig fan-boy. Sig fan-boys get triggered very easily.

  • @eddiek828
    @eddiek828 Před 9 lety +1

    Went through 100 rounds of WWB and 100 round of green Remington. Got to about 80 rounds with the WWB before a failure to extract, which caused another type 3 malfunction. Then went thru 20 more WWB and 100 Remington with no hiccups. I'm still worried about the fte but I'm going to avoid WWB and see what happens. I keep hearing how filthy this ammo is! My first handgun, xdm3,8 in 40 s&w has been thruu thousands of rounds with not a single malfunction( maybe 1 or 2 light primer strikes but I blame the ammo.). I don't quite trust my m11a1 yet like the xdm, but I hope future trips to the range prove otherwise

    • @GroupCoalition
      @GroupCoalition  Před 9 lety +1

      One FTE? That wouldn't be a concern for me. I think I had two during my first 300 rounds, but probably due to limp-wristing during training drills. Keep in mind that many people recommend a break-in period of around 1,000 rounds for Sigs. Also, the American Sigs have the heavier milled slide so your gun might run better with higher grain ammo during the break-in period.

  • @RKHarm24
    @RKHarm24 Před 9 lety +4

    My 228 from early 90's had dot/bar sights and a heavy trigger. It was no where near as refined as my issued German P226 9mm with carbon steel slide. No short trigger, much less an SRT. I added the short trigger to my 226 and 239. My current personal 226 ELITE 9mm has the SRT/SRT. Fits perfect in my hand and have an M11-A1 coming next week. Can't wait to put it through its paces. ?? A 226 magazine will fit in the M11-A1 I have been told. Any feedback? Thanks.

    • @jimh4949
      @jimh4949 Před 9 lety +2

      RK Harm24 yes you can use the 226 mags.

    • @RKHarm24
      @RKHarm24 Před 9 lety

      jim harbin First thing I tried when I got the M11A1 home. Thanks

  • @zenonayala9557
    @zenonayala9557 Před 4 lety +2

    This gun uses p229 mags. We can get away with p228, p229 as well as the original duty mags.

  • @jimh4949
    @jimh4949 Před 9 lety +1

    the original 228 had internal extractor and the 228/229/M11A1 has external extractor. when you buy a 228 be sure you know what you are buying. the M11A1 is a 229, but they call 228 because it is what various military and LEA use the 229 and or the 228. The 229 was made for the 357 sig round and they started building them in the 40 and the 9mm. the 229 had the sig 228 style frame when they started building and then you could get them with rail which was and different number which was a P229R. now they are just sold with rails.when the M11A1 was made they put the A1 after it because they can sell the pistol the public as M11 so they put the A1 after it to sell to civilians. so the M11A1 is a 229 hybrid. I own a P229R(2010) and a P228(mid 90's production).

    • @joejon5794
      @joejon5794 Před 3 lety

      I own a 90's 228 LE West German w Nickel slide, Siglite night sights 9mm Para stamped barrel. Shoots +P Ammo As Well as everything else No problems to date. DID I GET LUCKY ? Or was it the
      LE/Law Enforcement connection and they scrutinized the pistol before they sent it to the Detective ?

  • @randyreynolds1045
    @randyreynolds1045 Před rokem +1

    Really great German tool!❤

  • @Blackbird226-s1e
    @Blackbird226-s1e Před 3 lety

    nice looking gun,thanks video

  • @eddiek828
    @eddiek828 Před 9 lety +2

    Update: extractor broke or something happened with the tension springs. Right at about 1010 fired rounds, I was having fte's non stop which would cause a type 3 malfunction. =[ wish me luck, with sig now

    • @GroupCoalition
      @GroupCoalition  Před 9 lety

      Wow, I haven't heard of that happening on one of these before. Best of luck and I hope you get it back soon. Shoot me an update when you get it back.

  • @bironmiller4330
    @bironmiller4330 Před 7 lety

    Weird, the mags I've bought for my M11-A1 were all marked "p228" by Mec-Gar. All fit and function flawlessly. Thinking about getting a 228R as well, just to have a German Sig.

    • @newdefsys
      @newdefsys Před 5 lety

      I called SIG customer service and asked about the magazines between the P228, P229 & M11-A1 and he said that the P228 magazines will fit in the P229. "They're a little loose but they work just fine" is what he said.

  • @slypperyfox
    @slypperyfox Před 8 lety +1

    I bought my M11 a year or so ago because I wanted a compact SIG and I'm not a fan on rails on handguns. FWIW they take P229 mags. The M11 and P226 were side by side in the display cabinet and I could have gotten the P226 for $800 less but I stuck with the M11 (no rails and more compact) and never doubted my choice. Love this gun. Oh, and I usually OC it (I'm in Georgia).

    • @GroupCoalition
      @GroupCoalition  Před 8 lety +1

      +C .Irby $800 less??? It must have been a used P226! Either way it's hard to go wrong with a Sig.

  • @johndeere1951a
    @johndeere1951a Před 5 měsíci

    Good job on your debut Pistol review 👍👍
    Its a new troubled world now in 2024 ⚖️🗽☮️🇺🇲

  • @fuigebhardt2966
    @fuigebhardt2966 Před 8 lety

    or you could just get hogue grips. i got the g10 gmascus greens (1 checkered, 1 chain link) for both my mk25-d's.

  • @jimh4949
    @jimh4949 Před 9 lety

    sop used the 226 for years before the m9,

  • @jakeweston8616
    @jakeweston8616 Před 8 lety +2

    The SIG wasn't too expensive. The military didn't like the fact that the SIG didn't have a slide mounted safety.

  • @44357514
    @44357514 Před 8 lety +1

    Even though the Sig 228 and 229 are more compact - they are still too heavy and still too big for Concealed Carry when compared to small guns available such as the Ruger LCP380 or the Ruger LC9S-Pro.

    • @kidd2947
      @kidd2947 Před 8 lety +1

      +44357514 Have you ever held the Sig-P220 Stainless Elite? I currently have a HK Sub-Compact 45. I'm thinking of the Sig for my next side arm.

    • @danielgarfield2395
      @danielgarfield2395 Před 5 měsíci

      If I'm not mistaken, the M11A1 comes in at a bit over 29oz. empty (pretty much the same weight as the old Lightweight Commander) The Beretta 92 at just over 33oz. empty. I consider the M11A1 to be as close to the perfect weight for what you're getting. It's not at all "heavy" and having a few extra ounces of weight when compared to most of the polymer options offered by a variety of manufacturers makes it ridiculously easy to shoot. Yea, I own several polymer pistols and CC them as well but there's just something about a metallic frame and slide (and of course, HAMMER FIRED) pistol that just feels demonstrably more authentic in my hands. Just my two cents, FWIW!

  • @The45bullet
    @The45bullet Před 7 lety +2

    p228 and 226 mags work m11 mags will not work in 228 and 226 guns.

  • @margiemassar-fjeld3845

    P226 you mean Navy Seals and many military branches, DHLS ( Dept of home land) ...

  • @mrg1911
    @mrg1911 Před 7 lety +2

    Great gun and thanks for the review, however, it's VERY distracting seeing you jabbing the gun non-stop with your index and middle finger.....had to shut it off....

  • @jameywalden
    @jameywalden Před 8 lety +2

    had an issue with extracting, sent back, new extractor; then had trouble feeding and going fully into battery, sent back, feed ramp polished, 600 rnds seems to be gtg.

    • @GroupCoalition
      @GroupCoalition  Před 8 lety +2

      +Jamey Walden Glad to hear it's running well now.

  • @fillupread
    @fillupread Před 3 lety

    At the end of the day the 228 and M11-A1 has a different frame, different slide, uses different mags, slide is made of a different material, manufactured differently and made in a different country and uses different mags....its not the same gun. I own both, along with a 229, 226, and a German 220. End of day the American made M11 is a better/stronger gun but the 228 is classic, slimmer, lighter and has the 'Made in W. Germany"...Hard to know which you want so buy both..

  • @sinqros
    @sinqros Před 6 lety

    My faves

  • @44357514
    @44357514 Před 8 lety

    With Markings saying M11A1 on the Slide, P229 on the Grips and P229 on the Barrel - if you are going to sell this gun in the future they will think you mis-matched this gun and put parts together from several different guns.

    • @Washcapsfan4life12
      @Washcapsfan4life12 Před 6 lety

      The gun comes with 228 grips. Grips saying m11a1 don’t really exist

    • @collinkennedy5174
      @collinkennedy5174 Před 3 lety

      Sig fans know exactly what this is. Once you know, you know. Anyone who branded it a Frankenpistol would just be revealing their noob status.

  • @masonwsmith
    @masonwsmith Před 9 lety

    So, what holster would I need for this pistol? A 228 or 229?

    • @GroupCoalition
      @GroupCoalition  Před 9 lety

      I haven't tried a P229 holster for this gun because I use a soft holster. However, I did buy a Raven Concealment Phantom P228 holster and it does not work with the M11-A1. It's too tight of a fit. In theory a P229 holster should work for the M11-A1.

    • @eddiek828
      @eddiek828 Před 9 lety

      P229-1 holster and parts will work fine. Just make sure you avoid anything that fits the railed 229

  • @joejon5794
    @joejon5794 Před 3 lety

    Dude, You have to spend North of $ 2,000 to get the accuracy and flawless performance of the Sig P 228 out of the 1911, I Own Them Both... PS.. NICE SIG BRO...

  • @jimigogls
    @jimigogls Před 7 lety

    Sorry but the M11A1 can use the original P228 Mags its the newer mags cant be used in the old P228.

  • @sycamorebacker1
    @sycamorebacker1 Před 7 lety +2

    Also check out the CZ 75 compact.

  • @jimh4949
    @jimh4949 Před 9 lety

    i bought a M&P 9L only had 100rnds threw it I evenly traded that for my 228

  • @justinl312
    @justinl312 Před 7 lety

    But do you like SigSauer?

  • @rwgibson1
    @rwgibson1 Před 9 lety

    It was stamped carbon because that was cheaper than machining not because of ammo.

    • @GroupCoalition
      @GroupCoalition  Před 9 lety

      Thanks for the feedback.

    • @nmende00
      @nmende00 Před 9 lety

      +Group Stamping steel is cheaper and faster than machining and it was used bc it was strong enough to handle the 9mm cartridge. Sig changed to a milled slide bc they needed stronger slides that could withstand the force of the 40 S&W and 357 sig. It is more cost effective to make slides on same machinery than to have 2 separate production lines or continue to import them from Germany.

    • @kengray5793
      @kengray5793 Před 8 lety

      +John Wayne ..Plus the machinery in Germany was nearing end of life. If did not make sense money wise to replace. CNC milling is much cheaper than the stamping operation. The original 228 will handle 9mm plus P ammo. It was designed to handle 9mm NATO which is much hotter than US made 9mm.

  • @PLP357
    @PLP357 Před 6 lety +1

    I got big hands not fat hands but long fingers, will this gun fit my hands

    • @brysonw1815
      @brysonw1815 Před 3 lety

      If your hand fits a Glock 19 it’ll fit this it’s literally same size

  • @44357514
    @44357514 Před 8 lety

    If they changed the gun - they should also be selling it for several Hundreds of dollars Less. Plus they should also be offering this gun in .45acp.

  • @351WINCHESTER
    @351WINCHESTER Před 6 lety

    Sig has outstanding quality, but if you carry a pistol for sd you owe it to yourself to look hard at glock. One third the weight, better magazines & easier to train & shoot! If I knew I was going to a gunfight & a pistol was all I could have it would be a glock.

    • @351WINCHESTER
      @351WINCHESTER Před 6 lety

      I stand corrected, but 7 ounces could make it or break it, especially if you carry for long periods of time. Lighter is always better for carry.

    • @351WINCHESTER
      @351WINCHESTER Před 6 lety

      I totally agree. I train with one primary & one backup. I like to keep things simple. I could never overcome the d/a to s/a thing. Maybe it's the way I'm wired.

  • @Peter-der-gute-vegane-Hirte

    In Europe is hot ammo not forbidden....european ammo has more power than us ammo.

  • @laruewilliams9644
    @laruewilliams9644 Před 6 lety

    Hk usp is a better gun hands down

    • @newdefsys
      @newdefsys Před 5 lety +1

      Is HK still using polymer triggers ? Pass

  • @steemerxaxon1643
    @steemerxaxon1643 Před 2 lety

    LMAO

  • @alanholt7320
    @alanholt7320 Před rokem

    Bounce your pistol around more

  • @atdrs
    @atdrs Před 8 lety

    Like it but please quit saying "OK" and "you know" all of the time.

  • @AlexGonzalez-ve6ov
    @AlexGonzalez-ve6ov Před rokem

    Can the M11-A1 use P229 Mags ?

  • @rickyjohnson9594
    @rickyjohnson9594 Před rokem

    To tone and European model s Swiss police or rare ones seen a totone gun broker sell on line for 2500 with org book target yes they up there now days 95 precent to tone nickel rare 1800. Not 600 like old mussul cars out site

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    @rickyjohnson9594 Před rokem

    That guns not the rare better made slide gun it's got have a breach block be true Germany not stanless there not the good ones the good ones were 88/ 95 after or in ,,95 when USA and us sigs or nothing compared to a real west Germany sig there the cream.of the crop srt is new school older have longer reset but most older sigs have night sites to