How Deadly Is .380? Is It Suitable for Carry?
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- Should you carry .380? Can it get the job done? Today we answer the question everyone has had. SHOULD YOU CARRY .380?!
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I'm fairly certain that when bullets start flying and people start getting air conditioned no one has ever stopped to say "it's only a .380, I'll be fine".
Hell, if .22 can do it, .380 can easily do it lmao
I read an article by a police officer, in one of the large city's, that compiled all the civilian vs. civilian shooting data he could get his hands on and it showed; almost every time after someone was shot one time the fight stopped. It didn't matter if it was .22LR or 44 Mag.
That's not the question though, is it? The question is if a particular caliber can consistently provide involuntary incapacitation through various variables
@@Lordofthepoors there is no consistency in guns and ammo..
a bullet might go through you in straight line or do the looptyloop and come out from the same side it went in..
zero consistency
Most men getting shot at cower and hide. It's natural, it's normal, it's cool. Infact I'd bet most people their natural reaction would be to pull out their lil boy cellphone and start recording.
I’m a firefighter/Emt.
I’ve been on a few shootings.
Two of them were self defense shooting’s with a 380, and we flew out 3 attackers to a trauma center.
When they got hit with the round from the 380, they went down, and each only was only hit with 1 round.
Facts from the street.
Fellow FF/EMT here, I have been on a few shootings as well. I almost knew what handgun caliber was used till later when I read about it in the news or was told by PD or ED staff and never could tell in the back if my rig based in the injury. All handgun rounds looked the same. I will say the one I did know ahead of time was a LEO who took 3 rounds to the vest, they where all from a 380 and man the bruising and broken rib did not make 380 look weak that's for sure.
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In the end, bullets are still bullets.
I do alot of pistol shooting. About 1000 dollars in ammo a month. 380 is no joke. You could tell right off the bat Mike was biased against the 380. I thought it did really well in the test. I would carry it.
I honestly drew the opposite conclusions from the data presented here. .380 got the job done; all of those shots were put-downs, even if they were less spectacular than the obviously more deadly 9mm's results. Shots that don't exit the target aren't going through walls into my kid's room, or into innocent bystanders. Unless you see yourself facing armored opponents, 9mm seems like overkill, based on what I saw here. Different strokes, I guess?
I have to agree with you.
This is a YT channel. They have to produce content. No one cares about the slight difference between 9mm or 380 when you’re being shot in the head. This is dumb and insignificant but they want more views.
And yeah I’d agree, I’d want less penetration as I’d be worried where the round would go after it exits.
Like I said. Dumb dumb dumb. But it’s content!
Yea video seemed a bit bias
Exactly what I was thinking, seems like .380 is better for home defense. Besides, if you only fire one round then you're doing it wrong! That is the biggest and oftentimes fatal mistake people make 💯
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My friends nephew is a HWY patrolman of 5’6” around 175lbs. Small. Dead of night pulls over car and big black gets out. Cause for search, cuff for protection. Cop had one cuff on before he turned and grappled. Wrestling on the side of I85 230am. 310lbs vs 175lbs. Big guy on top now and going for his 9mm. Cop goes for his ankle 380 and plugs him twice in ribs. Dies on top of him. 380 works.
Goodnight, big black.
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For someone restricted to carrying a .380 because of brazilian stupid laws, this video was a blessing. Thank you!
I thought they waived those restrictions a few years back.
To someone restricted to carrying a .380 because Walther doesn't make a PPK in 9mm I also like this video a lot
For someone restricted to carrying a... well nothing. im Canadian damn. hope no one attacks me right ? even if i defend myself i get charged ffs
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Hello, Fraser, co-owner of Defiant Munitions here.
It was great to see Mike and Charlie once again using our ammo!
If the devastation caused by our TCX round isn't enough to stop a bad guy, it seems possible they will be set on fire!
We also have the only .380 expanding ammunition that I am aware of that meets the FBI standard.
Stay defiant!
Sincerely,
Fraser Disney
Co-owner Defiant Munitions
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The irony of your last name, and the business you own...it's astounding...seriously.
I like ammo
The 380 was originally a police caliber cartridge.
An advantage of the 380 is that because of the lite recoil, you can put more lead on target
Depends. I have a S&W Bodyguard .380 ACP. I also have an Sig Sauer P365XL. The S&W holds 6 rounds plus one in the chamber. The P365XL holds 12 rounds double stacked. The grip is also longer and more comfortable. Honestly the 9mm is more comfortable to shoot than the .380. The longer grip and barrel length helps. The rounds aren't that different. The P365XL is stilll easily concealable.
@@alfredeneuman6966 oh I agree, that's an excellent all rounder of a pistol
@@alfredeneuman6966 I’ve shot both of those weapons. The problem isn’t the caliber. The bodyguard just kicks like a mf
Also less over penetration so no hitting bystanders
@@alfredeneuman6966 Part of the issue is that most .380 guns are just undersized for the caliber. A glock 19 sized pistol that shoots .380 would take full advantage of the lighter recoil to put rounds on target accurately.
I carry .380 because I know as a defensive round, it will mortally wound my target with a lower potential of exiting and going beyond. You basically proved that the larger or powerful round it just that larger and more powerful.
this is a pretty good comment i also thought it probably would feel good if a hot bullet was stuck in u XD
As a retired detective, I can tell you that 380 is indeed lethal.
Did you work homicide?
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A state trooper in my area actually carried a backup to his backup which was ppk in .380 when he was on the force. He had great things to say about it! I enjoy mine but haven’t used it enough to give an opinion beyond that 😁 god bless America and the 2nd amendment!
@@jakejake7162eah my uncle is a retired trooper and for a long time their issued boot guns were . 380 until Glock came out with their subcompact series. I mean heck, it's better beating them with your radio lol
That's true but any gun can be lethal. This was a debunk vid that proved that a 9mm has superior ballistic performance overall.
Be that as it may, a .380 is quite effective. From what I viewed within the video, it'll likely stop who you want to stop. There's just less of a mess.
I thought they were joking about being unimpressed after gut shots and point-blank headshots. They really love the round penetration but, maybe, self-defenders don't want rounds whizzing through their target into bystanders.
The .380 meets the first and most important criteria for any participant in a firefight: Have A Gun. It can, properly employed, meet the second most important criteria: Make well placed hits in a vital area. Criteria after those two are interesting, and we spend a whole lot of time discussing them, but after the first two criteria are satisfied, they fade quickly into secondary insignificance.
Right.
- In pistol range -
Do they have armor?
Yes/No?
Y: Aim for the face or carry a snub nose.
• option 1.b:
carry both
N: Enjoy low-recoil.
Best explanation ever
.380 is the smallest "normal cartridge" that doesn't have some BS like it's rimmed, semi rimmed or rimfire or something. It's rimless, straight walled, it doesn't even have a taper. Beautiful simplicity.
Well, the .30sc is narrower but it's as long as 9x19mm, so bigger in that critical dimension.
Well said. You have encapsulated volumes in a few sentences. Very laconic, indeed.
It's strange how people are so much more worried about a cartridge somehow not doing enough damage than the prospect of them missing entirely from the recoil.
I actually find it very good that .380 doesn’t go all the way through. If you happen to be in a populated area and want to reduce collateral casualties I think .380 is great. Getting good ammo like Hornady or Fiocchi hollow points that have been tested by many good CZcamsrs would make a difference. I tend to carry one mag with hollow points and one with FMJ.
Nah I just want to stop the guy I am shooting, that whole collateral damage is so over rated.
@@vietnamvet4533 idk, if you are defending against a home invader, you dont want to endanger a loved one
@@nelsonrodriguez2085 When the shooting starts it is a whole different ballgame. Paper targets with Zombies on then or video games aren't the real thing.
.380's biggest issue is over-penetration due to failure to expand. If we're talking about self-defense rounds, .380 is possibly the worst, most dangerous offender.
Check out penetration of .380 FMJ. It penetrates over 20 inches of ballistic gelatin when fired from a tiny gun. You get something like that when a self-defense round fails to expand.
This issue is worst in the short-barrelled pocket pistols. A longer barrel may or may not generate enough velocity for expansion, but I would heavily research that before relying on it, and I know for a fact that the .380 pocket pistols have serious failure-to-expand issues.
@@vietnamvet4533 holes in your drywall through your wife seems like a damn real thing to me
The .380 in your pocket beats the 1911 you left at home or in your truck. I love my little LCP because it is so easy to stick in an IWB holster or your back pocket. It isn't the only thing I ever carry but, it gets carried more than anything else because it is so easy to conceal.
Do you got the lcp2 or a lcp max?
@@jerrys5581 plain old LCP.
Spoken like a true G!!!!!!
This is my current thought process. Getting an lcp max to throw in my pocket
I don't leave my 1911 "at home"...👌
Every one of those shots with the .380 was potentially lethal as were the shots with the 9mm. In the end, it comes down to bullet placement, as always.
Just goes to show no matter what your carrying, whether be a P320, a 2011, duel wielding Single Action Revolvers (Based), training and getting trigger time is what really matters.
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I dated an ER Nurse for quite sometime and she told me basically everyone hit with standard calibers (9mm, .45, etc) the bullet passed through and in many instances survived. The real troublesome shots were when bullets didn't pass through, bounced around or were in pieces or caused erratic wound tracks, like .22 LR. She saw, more people die from .22 LR wounds after the fact than 9mm wounds.
Yep very true, worked with 2 large hospital systems most deaths related to gun shot wounds where 22lr, dealers and criminals who shoot larger caliber like 9mm or 223, for the most part use fmj, they go straight through, with 22 the bullet shatters goes all over the place, patients usually deal with infection related to lead intoxication (plumbism) and or neurotoxicity post surgery bullet extraction, if they survived that far into it.
I think that a 9mm is much more energetic on impact than a .22 LR tho, right? I live in Germany, we can't carry any guns here, but if we could I think I'd pick the option that puts a threat down as quickly as possible - after all I wouldnt really care if the shots are lethal, and I'd prefer an incapacitated person that later on survives vs a guy that got hit with a .22 LR, but still managed to kill me because he didn't instantly go down, only to then die in a hospital later on. Idk, maybe these thoughts are completely irrational, after all I never shot a gun, but I'd like to pick the safer option.
@@neothespankplank5839 A 9mm is superior to a 22LR, but since the FBI switched from .40 S&W to 9mm they train their agents to double tap the target. Two rounds of 9mm will mess up anyone this side of an angry bear, sasquatch, etc.
@@neothespankplank5839it's about shot placement sure if your a bad shot a 9mm to the arm is gonna cause more blood loss quickly than a .22lr but holes of any size directly through the chest and into or through the lungs and or heart will immediately make anyone very quickly forget what they where doing and start focusing on making their peace with god
Amen
My recommendation is to carry what you are comfortable with, and can shoot well. Any round that makes holes, and causes an attacker to hurt and bleed , is a good defensive round. ( even .22). I like revolvers, and often recommend them to new shooters, and women with smaller wrists. Not everyone can shoot often, or get to the range regularly, not many are trained to clear “ stovepipes” and jams. Revolvers are simple and easy to learn. The purpose of defensive shooting is to make an attacker go away and quit attacking…any gun that does that is good defense.
Problem is ladies are recoil sensitive and don't operate a double action trigger very effectively to be accurate so....
I knew 4 inches was a lot. Thanks for reinforcing guys. 👍🏻
That gave me hope. Almost teared up.
Better chances of slipping in through the back door.
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Guns are for sissy's🐔
There’s hope brother
Charlie is the personification of Intrusive Thoughts and I love it.
I think .380 might actually be preferred in crowded areas because it's much less likely to overpen. Nothing could be worse than hitting your target and then hitting the old woman behind it. And as noted: it's better than nothing at all, and certainly better than .25 or .32.
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croweded areas? my dude, you shouldnt be shooting paper targets in crowded areas, youre going to be ID'd as an active shooter. this fantasy where youre out shooting in a crowded area is childish at best, and stupid at worst.
@@TheMarcosvolta Crowded areas? Oh you mean like where some of us work and thus have to consider these things especially as some of these places have had shootings in the past. Quit being daft.
@@TheMarcosvolta Yeah, generally speaking you don't want to have anything behind your target, but more often than not, you don't get to control where exactly you are when you have to shoot someone, so calling the bloke childish and stupid for wanting to avoid overpen is a galaxy brain take if ever I've heard one.
I think dude is saying that it might not be a lone attacker. Attacker could have his dumbass buddy or girlfriend behind him.
With the recent advancements in ammo technology, both the 9mm and the .380 have made significant strides since the early 1980s. The 9x19 will always be a bit ahead of the 9x17. Just as the .357 magnum will always be ahead of the .38 caliber.
I feel it's safe to say from what we have seen here that 380 is fine to carry if the characteristics of the gun meet your needs in a way 9mm models don't. The advantages like reduced recoil or size, etc.
If the advantages provided by guns only available in 380 are important to you it's a valid choice.
@@TheDarksideFNothing Less felt recoil can easily mean more shots on target in less time. With nerve damage in both hands, I've tested that on targets with my carry guns.
@@phigdon3 I agree.
Training can overcome a lot of recoil control issues for most people without health concerns, but not everyone has the time, money, interest, or wellness to put in enough range time to accomplish that, and I'd argue that the same training would have even better results with the reduced recoil caliber.
Unfortunately, the micro 380 form factor being notably smaller than what's possible with micro 9mm negates a lot of the benefits of the reduced total energy of the 380 vs 9mm. The tradeoff being that my LCP Max actually leaves the house in my pocket whereas my PF9 often didn't.
But definitely, if you have an identical form factor and your options are 9mm or 380, there can definitely be advantages to going 380.
A bullet on target is significantly more useful than a miss, regardless of caliber.
I'll take a 380 to the torso of my adversary any day over a 45acp into the wall behind them.
@barrydraper indeed. The important takeaway to me is not that 9mm is more lethal, but that 380 is lethal enough.
Of course 9mm is going to do more damage. But if there are key advantages to comfort and concealability offered by a 380 form factor, the fact that it will still be quite highly likely to accomplish the end goal is the important factor.
@barrydraper indeed. The important takeaway to me is not that 9mm is more lethal, but that 380 is lethal enough.
Of course 9mm is going to do more damage. But if there are key advantages to comfort and concealability offered by a 380 form factor, the fact that it will still be quite highly likely to accomplish the end goal is the important factor.
The 380 is extremely comfortable for me to carry and shoot. Over a lot of years, I have carried many different sizes and calibers, and I can tell you the gun that you consistently carry because it's comfortable and capable is better than the 45 you left at home because you where just going to the gas station.
On the subject of that last part, it has been said many times before, the weaker gun you actually carry is more useful than the more powerful one you leave at home.
Yup. Can't carry anything around in a lot of countries, consider yourself fortunate if you can!
@@boingkster indeed
I carry a .40
How true. But I’m a 45 guy
380 =empty clip lol 45acp one and done
One thing I noticed, the .380 is less likely to go through the target and hit something behind it. That is a positive thought if you are in tight quarters with potential to hurt those you don't want to. I love my .380. I also love my 9. Just depends on the job at hand.
I completely agree. Penetration is great but you have to worry about who's behind the bad guy/gal.
.380 or 9mm is still going to kill or bring a lot of pain. The lower penetration in the .380 I imagine would cause the most pain if not the hollow points fragmented more.
End of the situation you'll have an empty mag taking out the threat.
.380 is clearly better someone needs to explain over-penetration to Mike!
While penetration seems to be the "determining factor", the fact that the 380 basically dumped all of its energy into the target certainly has some merit. Practice the double-tap technique for chest and body shots because a central nervous shot will most likely drop your target anyway.
@@normvw4053Why double tap with a .380, if you can (in certain countries, and US states) a
.410/12 gauge pocket shotgun.
Single hit, and unless your aim sucks, you have an almost assured takedown
This would make sense if it actually happened enough for it to be a worry. You’re more likely to miss and hit something or someone you don’t want to vs over pen
If you are dead from a .380 a gunshot, you aren’t more dead from a 9mm gunshot.
It’s all about shot placement folks.
380 was originally called 9mm short because thats exactly what it is. They changed the name because people were loading them into their 9's. Just a tip for people that have both calibers: be very careful not to mix up your ammo. Ive accidentally loaded 380 into my 9's because i had a box of 380 open and mix with my 9mm
I did that once also. I have a 9 and 380 in S&w ez (as I have arthritis in my hands and it's easier to rack). They are both identical in size and shape. The 9 fired the 380 but would not eject the cartridge.
Excellent advice. As a newbie, I had no idea that guns were so unsafe until I started using them. I figured that a bullet that shouldn't be fired out of a gun wouldn't fit in the gun, but in fact they sometimes do, and the result of pulling the trigger with the wrong round loaded can be loss of limb or life.
This is very true of shotguns as well.
.380 only in the US.
It’s truly amazing the lack of knowledge that people are willing to express when they make statements broadcasted to thousands if not millions of people- there was a time when People would not speak because they knew they lacked any knowledge of the topic. Being 74 years old I personally miss those days.
Itchy fingers too/happiness is a warm gun,lol
I was shot in the face and shoulder with a .380 point blank on a traffic stop. It sucked, shattered my jaw and blew out 9 teeth. Took 4 years and 9 surgeries to fix everything. It’ll take the wind out of your sails for sure, but with any caliber I think shot placement matters most. Love the channel!!!
You in law enforcement?
@@invisiblerevolution …yes going on 22 years now. This occurred in 2019 and I was off work until fall of 2022
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I joined my department September 7th 2007.
@@invisiblerevolution good man, what state are you in? I’m in Michigan
@@RomanEmpireRSVR
Philadelphia Police Department...
As a pathologist with forensic training (though I don't practice in that field), I was quite impressed with the .380. Yes, I wasn't standing there, but from what I could observe, there was no instance where the 9mm reached a vital organ that the .380 did not. In addition, the .380 frequently (?always} failed to exit the target dummy, sometimes by the slimmest of margins. You didn't test shooting through cover, so it's definitely possible that the 9mm will out perform the .380 in some of those circumstances, but how often does that really occur in a civilian self defense shooting? However, based upon what I could see in your video, I'm going to say that I believe the .380 is superior to the 9mm in crowded urban environments due to it's virtually equal penetration and repeated demonstration of a lack of overpenetration.
Thank you for commenting. I always carry .380 for practicality.
I saw that too. Was the 9mm more powerful? Yep. Did it do anything that the 380 couldn't? Nope.
@@Cody2nd By definition, that is almost never a civilian self defense situation.
@kizmo2317 I'll make a suggestion, if you're unfamiliar with Paul Harrell check out any of his videos. He's pretty much covered everything on just about any firearm, any ammo caliber, multiple brands, anything any American citizen can lawfully possess, testing on paper targets, chronograph, soda jugs, and meat targets which typically consist of pork ribs front and back, oranges to simulate lung tissue, covered in leather couch for skin, 4 layers of T-shirts front and back and sometimes winter coats with the new and improved high tech bullet fleece stop so he can catch any overpenetrating rounds for examination. I'm not saying Paul Harrell is the best, I'm just saying to take a look at multiple sources with different approaches to ammo and firearm analysis. One eye opener was his Why Hollow Points Don't Expand. Clogging. I never would have considered that. Anyway, just a suggestion. Oh lastly, regardless of the size or power of a bullet, humans getting shot is way different than animals. Humans perceive and react to pain and injuries differently than animals. So my philosophy is just get a gun and ammo that works and that you are comfortable AND proficient carrying and using. That's what counts the most.
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Good review. I prefer 9mm as well BUT my ruger LCP in 380 is so concealable that I treat I as my hot Florida summer EDC. Can comfortably appendix carry it wearing shorts, tank top, flip flops and be TOTALLY concealed. Being well aware of the round’s limitations, it’s better to carry the 380 than make the foolish decision to leave it home because it’s uncomfortable or is too hard to conceal well. So 9mm is 3 season EDC and 380 LCP is summer EDC
MY Brother! I live in Jacksonville and We KNOW exactly what you are talking about!
Thanks for this video. It is very informative.
But IMHO, an important part of self-defense is not to injure anyone with a bullet that is so powerful that it goes through the assailant and hits a bystander. The most powerful caliber or bullet is not always the right choice.
I'm very confident in my .380 carry - the Ruger LCP Max is hard to beat if you really want or need your concealed weapon to be truly concealed.
Just my two cents. YMMV
LCP is junk...high rate of explosive failures...shame on Ruger. After mine exploded, for the second time, I traded the warranty unit UP for a Glock 42...also a cheap gun build but much better than LCP. No problems yet. Get good sights and practice...also practice shooting at a REALISTIC target...like an attacking DOG as thats whats most likely to attack you in life...practice drawing and shooting downward as you jump back from the dog....etc...etc...but don't shoot yourself...
@@rikin6912 Have over 1000 rounds through my LCP double action. I replaced the spring guide with a stainless guide and polished the feed ramp, since then its been flawless.
I mean... a .22 can kill a man. So... is it effective, yes, to an extent. I love these informational videos, we get to learn so much.
The real question is how many bullets will the man dying put back on you before that happens.
I think the biggest issue is people conflate "kill" with "stop". Even a 9mm in ball form is unlikely to "stop" a threat unless you land a really good shot. In reality in a defensive situation you don't really care if the other guy dies as long as he stops doing whatever he's doing - immediately. It just happens that lungs/spine/heart are the best way to do that and those tend to result in death.
@@Shadow__133 the same as with 9mm, .45. 10mm, etc. People can take a dozen rounds and still fight back.
i would choose .22 over .380 simply because capacity outweighs the 1% difference in ballistics between the 2
@@ranndomundead9112 Naah, rimfire are less reliable so I think I would take 380 unless its a .22 revolver and I can just keep squeezing the trigger after a dud.
I remember responding to a call where a fella tried to execute another fella with what I believe was a .380 (details a little hazy now). Executor was on meth and missed fellas head hitting him in the shoulder. I get there almost instantly which is rare in LE. I make contact with the victim and he told me he was shot in the shoulder. I remember being strangely underwhelmed by the Gunshot wound of what the .380 did.
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.380acp is what I'd say is the min caliber. For a 2nd gun or CQB, I'd say get either a .38spl +P or .380acp ...
I've always been a 1911 .45 ACP guy however I found that my KAHR P380 ACP is powerful enough to go through car windshields plus do the job to get me out of trouble. The reason I switched to this firearm is because it is small enough to be concealed in the palm of your hand and is nearly as thin as a wallet with a cool 1911-looking frame.
Love my CW9. Kahrs are , sadly, not well known. Been looking at the .380 to replace my Bodyguard.380.
I have a 177 co2 gun that goes through car windows just fine, I'm not surprised a 380 would lol
When the .380 did the head shot and they were saying “it didn’t do anything.”
I was thinking, “I really hope that is sarcasm because anybody receiving that shot would definitely disagree.”
Also follow up shots will almost always occur so it’s not just a one and done shot.
Yeah lol as if the first 380 round just cracked the skull.
I personally wouldnt want to be hit with a 22 LR, much less 380.
Also, one thing that people often dont think about calibers that are often considered "underpowered" is that their ordinary factory ammo tends to me subsonic, which is an interesting plus depending on what you wanna do.
Also, stopping power is outdated af, what stops a determined attacker is hypovolemic shock or central nervous system shutdown. Unless you're carrying something like a shotgun, shot placement and volume of fire will always be way more important than how large your bullet is.
Yep the 22 was the preferred weapon of choice for the Italian mob and it did the job just fine.
You're assuming that accuracy won't be a problem. You don't have to be as accurate with better rounds, because they can turn a near miss of a vital area into a hit.
.380 also has known over-penetration issues, which creates the possibility of doing everything right, and still killing an innocent bystander. The tests these guys do in this video are from a gun that most people wouldn't use (.380 is more popular for pocket pistols) into targets that are "naked." The tests greatly exaggerate the actual expansion of .380 self-defense rounds, perhaps because they are promoting them.
I recently saw a round comparison and the 22 was slightly more effective than the 380 rounds.
This video pretty much:
Which one kills MORE (as if there are levels of dead). Dead is dead.
@@myblacklab7 these guys clearly prefer 9mm over .38, wtf are you talking about? Also, human flesh has MORE resistance against bullets than the ballistic gel, and the clothes would only add to that. It’s over penetration is not “known” because one quick google search said that was a myth lmao.
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I spent most of my life behind a weapon system of one type or another, from my first .22 at age 5, which I wandered our 240,000 acre west Texas cattle ranch with for thousands of happy hours , to my lever action 30-30, 45 LC pistols, 30.06 hunting rifles, dozens and dozens of guns for purposes ranging from plinking to hunting to protection to competition. A fine way to grow up.
After college came the Air Force and the F-15C. A 20mm loaded with depleted uranium is um... effective.
After the military state and federal law enforcement. Local sheriff department here in my native Texas to eventual task force SWAT commander with the DEA running 3 narcotics entry teams. Giving away my age, back to the Era of the Task Force lol.
Eventually I became a captain with a major airline and went on to retire, but I had some amazing experiences as a leo. Besides SWAT I served as both fixed wing and rotor wing police pilot. No more F-15 but the various helicopters biz jets and OV-10 were fun.
As a deputy sheriff and swat member, my partner and i were involved in an extended car chase and ambush with three gang bangers who murdered a young couple, their 4 year old son and two year old daughter to get their TRUCK. WITNESSES said the 4 year old flung himself at his little sister and wrapped himself around her with his back to the shitheads, trying to save her. Six 9mm rounds through his little back killed them both though .
Later when my partner came across this truck southbound on hwy I-35, He read the BOLO and called for help. Due to idiotic liberal inspired chase policies nobody could/would stay with him. He and I served on SWAT together and when i heard his voice I radioed "John I've got your back till the end. Lets end these assholes." So thats what we did. After an extended chase they blew both front tires curb hopping in a dark country cemetary. We had outrun all our backup. Long story but I killed two and John killed the last one. We tried to call for surrender but they knew they were done based on their crimes. Training paid off, outnumbered, outgunned and in the dark, forced to react , I killed two swat style, double tap center mass and a single to the head. John did the exact same thing to the remaining punk. I was shot in the upper arm during the car chase by one of the shitheads with an AR-15, but it was through and through, missed bone and I didn't feel it until being checked out at Wilford Hall when it was all over.
An experience I had that fits todays craziness happened 3 years after I retired. My wife and I were walking to our truck after a pleasant night on the riverwalk with some friends.
I saw three guys coming towards us on the dark walkway then one peeled off and looked to be trying to flank us. I whispered our code word to my wife and saw her draw her pistol and hide it behind her leg.
I moved to put myself between her and them. We were close to the truck, I took my key and pressed it into her left hand and whispered "3rd guy right" not knowing if she'd under because we were out of time. We had altered course as much as possible to give us the best chance but we were effectively in a corral now.
If I didnt do what I did for a living and i hadnt made her and my children practice, we would have died that night.
They approached faster and my wife yelled "knife!" And began firing. I saw a man produce a pistol and i triple tapped him high in the chest. I turned to engage the 3rd flanking guy and my wife put 3 rounds into him and did a tactical reload better than many of my front line officers. He was not down but his hands were empty and he was stumbling away. The one I shot appeared to be DRT, and the first one my wife shot, the knife wielder, was alert enough to be a threat but had lost his weapon. I asked my wife if she could cover while I cuffed and she did. Cops and ems were enroute, a local bartender told us. Im a licensed paramedic so i got bleeding stopped on the two my wife engaged . My tango's bleeding days were over. I located all weapons and photographed in situ with my phone and asked our new bartender friend to do the same which she did..
Police and EMS arrived at first no familiar faces but Then Joe, an old friend and head of homicide division, showed up . Finally I felt we could relax.
I called my attorney who was there in about 20 minutes. If you carry a gun you need to carry an attorney, trust me!!! Its true they're hard to find holsters for, but make one out of an ace bandage if you have to. But GET ONE, CAPISCE?
I didnt mean to write a novel or to attempt a mutiny on your page, GT! unfortunately Im fighting cancer and sometimes i get carried away. I love your channel, btw 😉
what a great write up of what happened. Hope your battle with cancer is over. Thanks for the story. I enjoyed it an will try to practice with my wife code words etc... happy new year!
I survived. You will too, brother. Great post.
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Tango ?
I work on an ambulance, I carry a S&W bodyguard because of its size. It’s super easy to conceal, and if a patient were to attack I believe it would be effective at that short range. Of course I hope I never have to use it, but you see a lot of crazy stuff in EMS, and you never know.
Bodyguard is a comfortable gun to shoot for its size too. I love the thing.
I would be careful with that from a legal stand point depending on your state. Also remember that the moment you do that, the assumption for all EMT and NRP will be that they are armed.
Does your company/local government allow you to carry this firearm? Seems like a massive liability for them to me.
But of course, your own safety trumps their legal liability concerns. Not questioning that.
Allah only god
@@hellzshotgun he's not gonna answer that
The real question is not whether we can see a difference in performance, but whether the bad guy can feel one.
He can
he can, but the 380 is clearly also lethal
Oh he definitely can
He wouldn't feel a thing.
@@Richard0292thats why you lug around a .410 derringer
If that MF resists it, you should just leave the game
Carried a .380 as a backup to my duty weapon, never questioned it's abilities.
love what u guys are doing u just showed up in my feed after a long time good luck thanks for the entertainment!!!
380 ACP handguns tend to be much easier to conceal. It was finally mentioned towards the end of the video.
Especially the Ruger LCP MAX with 10+1
Same caliber as 9 mm basically 1000 feet a second they work.
@@nickhammer6408 I think it's a lot to do with gun snobbery. So count the number of times they implied it's a woman's gun. It can be a very practical round for concealment. A fairer test would be on the control, so firing a 3 or 5 round string or full mag dump and see which is easier to keep on target and make effective hits. If you only have 1 bullet, sure a 9mm is probably more effective, but if you've only got 1 bullet, you're doing (or have done) something wrong. In a real life or death situation, you fire until your target is no longer a threat and most self-defence enagements are at a range of around 5yds. If you can control a 9mm, you'll probably find it easier to get more well-placed shots on a target with a .380
@@brolohalflemming7042 That was a horrible review. Sorry to say but true . 380 is as effective as any similar caliber. FBI ballistics says it achieves adequate penetration. Definitely has sexual issues . 380 women's caliber. I'd like one person who has ever been shot by any caliber say it is a sissy round. That guy is a joke.
He lost me when he said he was to good. A legend in his mind.
Why mention something everybody already knows?
That opening is my new favorite thing. As a Wes Anderson and firearms enjoyer I really appreciate the crossover, those two things unfortunately dont overlap much.
seriously, no one has really ever done that and it was fantastic
My every day carry is a Glock 42 with Trijicon HD XR Night Sights and a 9 round ETS magazine fitted with an XGRIP for a full three-finger grip. I load the magazine with 8 rounds maximum, plus one in the chamber, to ensure 100% reliability. Ammo of choice is Underwood Extreme Penetrator 380+P. This combination has very little recoil, is very controllable and EXTREMELY accurate! I carry it 24/7 in a pocket holster and honestly it's so light and compact that I forget it's there. The best self-defense pistol is the one you never leave home without!
You two are too funny! Love ya! And thanks for awesome, informative, enlightening and entertaining reviews!! Merry Christmas to you all!!
The appeal to the .380 pistols is the concealability. Most of the year, I carry a 9mm. But, in hotter weather, I carry a .380 because it's lightweight and doesn't print under a t-shirt.
Another channel did ballistics testing testing on the different brands of .380 ammo in the smaller, shorter barrel .380 pistols and found that the Speer Gold Dot was the best performing .380 ammo. It's all I carry in my .380 pistols now.
I agree - this was a 'fair' test, but the truth is that probably the majority of our (the viewing audience's) .380's are more like LCP Max barrels instead of longer barrels. Gun channels seem to highlight subcompacts - which are always better for ballistics, but really... how many of us are 'cheating' with .380's for the recoil vs. the size? Summer in a hot climate? LCP Max weather, baby.
As an ex service person, I carried first a Browning 9mm High Power and a Sig p226 9mm. I used a my browning a couple times in field. Its topping power proven very good. For the past decade, I have lived in Mexico and Married a lovely Mexican women. As we have a very large 650m2 house, it is very visible to the locals...and so we keep a Sig380 as a weapon for our house security. It is the largest caliber legal by law. While I was away one weekend, a group of 4 men broke into the house and had a truck outside to take all the furniture's. We know people who have had this happen and many die. My wife and daughter were home alone, and she confronted them through the lounge room where they were entering through the balcony door. Distance 6 meters On seeing her with a weapon...the first two immediately rushed her with a machete raised high. She place 4 rapid shots to center mass and the first guy, and went down like a poleaxed steer. This was a BIG dude. She got one shot off to the second guy and hit him upper left thigh. He went down. The other two ran. Our internal security video footage caught all this. The police just said " good kill" and left it at that .... even before I arrived home. The moral of the story...even after being a 9mm shooter my entire life...I have the greatest confidence in a woman ability to stop an attacker with a 380. Id she could...I will have no problems. You need to live this live to understand if it is good or not. Running figures and ballistic gel is not a good indicator of what it will do! I recommend sig 365 380. From experience.
Excelente, yo estoy en México, y mi hogar lo cuida una Colt 45 , y un FAL 7.62x51, aunque es ilegal mi familia vale mucho. Saludos
This was very insightful. So happy to hear your family is safe and sound.
My God man what a story.
@@tomparker8932 More than a story...an experience. One we prefer not to live...but its Mexico...it happens around us every day.
@@gerardogarcia4478 Yes, been thinking that way myself after two came across the back fence again just a week ago. Our dogs cornered them around 2am ..and they got off one shot at the dogs but missed in the black.... i sent two shots down into the fence and they were gone. Police had actually been patrolling at that time in our street and were knocking before we even rang them. 4 heavy armed cops 2 am in the morning all through the house to make sure and into the vacant block next door. All motion sensors along the dark areas now so I have something live to shoot at next time lol. Saludos...stay safe!!!
I own several of both, but find myself carrying a .380 far more than the 9MM. My current carry choice is a Ruger LCP Max with a 12 round mag. I like the extra capacity and the slightly longer mag makes it more comfortable in my hand. It's small, very easy to conceal and if pressed into service will do just fine. The key to any weapon is being proficient in its use. Dirtbags normally don't face trained armed resistance. Whether I pull out a .380 or a 9mm I'm in the fight. #hooah #soldierforlife
Great video gentlemen.
The character dynamic between Charles and Mike is the best.
This charlie guy is just annoying. I understand his weird dry humor, it's just not funny.
So glad Flannel Daddy got rid of the Balaclava Chimp 😋😋
@@mattysee24 get over yourself.
@@mattysee24 unpopular take but ok
@@mattysee24go watch some trash Demo Ranch then.
Mr. Thumb, please make your next ballistics test video about the effectiveness of various short barreled rifles at longer distances on gel torsos. It would be interesting to see how much damage a 10.3-11.5 inch barrel can do at 300+ yards compared to a 14.5-18 inch, also various ammo like mk262 vs m855 etc. Because everyone already knows you can make shots pretty far with intermediate calibers, but there aren't good gel tests. The evidence for or against lethality largely consists of anecdotes from the war on terror.
This needs pinned
I’d love to see that video👍
@@misterfister7262 agreed, upvote to summon mike. The world need to know if mk262 can really vibe check someone at 400 yards when coming out of a short barrel. How hard does the mk18 fornicate when compared to the 14.5 inch SR15 at 300 yards? Only one man can help us.
Yep, also very interested to see flannel daddy do this
@@mastabugfish it would settle a lot of debates that have implications for real combat (whether it be military, LE, or civilian) and GT is one of the only people who has the resources to do it. I don't think it would be too hard either, and it would get lots of views. Just need ammo and ballistics gel torsos. He already has the guns, land, and cameras.
Very interested to see how .32 ACP would perform.
W German police carryed the Walther PP in 32 - the lead bullet, approximately 90 gr had a small hole through it with a hollow point tip for reliable feeding was completed by inserting a small disc in to the hollow point which would blow out of the bullet when it was shot
First time I've seen this channel and the opening jokes were great. Instant follow. Love the nerd coats.
Well, you convinced me. The .380 is a good defensive round. This is the kind of commentary you are dealing with when you have Tim the Toolman Taylors trying to convince you that the round is weak. The only thing they said that makes sense. Practice, practice, practice. In a crowded room I think I would rather have the .380 knowing that little Johnny behind the bad guy is not going to be a causality as well.
I have 9's and 380's and what I'm always concerned about is over penetration and I feel no one addresses that on CZcams. A part of me would rather not shoot than find out after the fact I hit someone's kid because the bullet passed through. I would appreciate if you guys did a video or a few videos talking about pass-through or over-penetration.
Debating on a compact 380 or a 45 bc the 9 makes me worry about the same thing with over penetration.
First let me say I have been a gun nut for more than 50 yr's. And from any research I have done I have not found any record of an innocent bystander being hurt or killed by over penetration in a SD situation. With that being said don't get me wrong guns will over penetrate but unless you are being Mr Hero like the young man at the mall in Indiana. There will most likely be no innocent bystander if you are being attacked and have to defend yourself. So I would say carry what your comfortable with I have everything from .22-.357 and have carried all of them depending on the situation. Any gun will stop someone if you dump enough rounds in them all these gun gurus on CZcams are all ways talking BS about over pen and showing shooting only one time where does it say your only aloud to shoot an attacker one time. Most of them have no real knowledge only what they themselves have learned from CZcams. Just old man wisdom use it or not and I hope you have a great life and never have to worry about innocent bystanders.
Paul Harrell covers all different types of ammo and guns on his channel.
@@michaelburke6552 yes, you shoot to stop the threat.
@@kennethcurtis1856 I don't quite understand your comment to me.
From a fellow Charles, I just wanted to say that everyone knows that comic relief is essential to any good show. I laugh out loud every time I watch these vids. You two make a dastardly duo turning solid ballistic gel into a mountain of mess! Please keep up the good work, and stay funny! 🤘🏼
Greetings from the Philippines! Good stuff btw.
A 380 is fantastic for summer carry. They can be really easy to conceal with light clothing.
So can a 9mm?
@@rangerdanger10ot as well though in terms of concealment.
@@rangerdanger10 big wrong
@@rangerdanger10 only a DB9 matches the profile of the mouse .380s.
@@spacechimp3199 365 and even the xl is a super concealable 9mm. So are the micro 1911s. I don't understand how one of any body stature could not conceal one of those. My 95lb girlfriend does and my 170lb self can as well. Can't even notice. Giving up a lot of power for something that's very very close in dimensions.
Less than 30 seconds into video, and Charlie already making it an instant classic!
He doesn't say anything until after the 60 second mark
😂😂😂😂Charlie is wild.
My man said “I immediately thought you were gonna go like trann…” 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@johnqpublic2718 0:09
I love your duo comedy. Its crude, subtle and smart at the same time. Great content and SUPER funny.
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Can you please create a video “How Deadly is 327 Federal Magnum? Is the Unknown Revolver Suitable for Carry”
327 Fed Mag is completely overlooked. It allows a tiny J-Frame sized revolver to chamber 6 rounds instead of 5. The Ruger LCR 327 only weighs 17 ounces. 327 Fed Mag delivers more energy than 9mm and is comparable to 357magnum.
Revolvers chambered for 327 Fed Mag can also chamber
-32 H&R Magnum
-32 S&W Long
-32 S&W Short
(In a pinch they can also fire 32 ACP)
This would be a fun video with tons of info for viewers and very entertaining. Since it’s a SUPER RARE caliber that’s also SUPER POWERFUL but it can also fire low recoil for new shooters or those who are more recoil sensitive.
I know your a family man that values growing. What better way than to showcase a Chambering that all members of the family can enjoy. Young or Old. Men and Women. Girls and Boys alike. New shooters or veteran sharpshooters such as yourself.
.380 was the load of choice for most police sidearms (and some countries' militaries) through most of the 20th century. Obviously, it'll do the job if you can hit what you shoot at.
US police forces overwhelmingly prefer glocks in 9mm or .40. i cant think of anyone that uses 380.
@@kristuchel3939 You missed the "through most of the 20th century" part - that ended 23 years ago.
You also missed the fact that many police agencies around the globe used .380. I read through a very graffic compilation of shooting victims which had fully detailed reports and pictures put together by an autopsy expert over several years. I saw hundreds of very fatal .380 wounds. I've also seen what a .380 does to a man's shoulder coming from a Ruger LCP, it went straight through
That's because they used to carry 38 revolvers that would never jam.
@@georgethompson2597 That was 38 special, a different round. honestly a better round.
Yes the 9 is more powerfull, but all of the shots by the 380 looked more than adequate to stop most threats.
Yes but barriers are still a thing and well 380 doesnt preform well through windshields or even 2x4 where as 9mm will go through them easier and more consistently
@@gi6687 you missed my point but ok
@@lucasschmitz4588sounded more like you were making an argument for a defense weapon that simply doesn’t exist
@@jordankoontz1672huh?
@@gicr12attacker in a car, or driving at u in a car
This was a very informative video for me. I’ve been trying to choose between 9 mm and a .380 for conceal carry. Right now I have a Glock 23 .40 caliber but it’s just too bulky as CC. But actually seeing the difference in penetration between the .380 and the 9 mm was really really helpful. Thank you guys.
I'm a fan of G9 ammo in any caliber. It's great stuff, but I would like to have seen these tests done with clothes on the dummies to see how this ammo works through fabric. You did say that clothing can clog some types of ammo and render it less effective. I doubt many will encounter naked foes.
got them all. 9s, 45s, etc.. here in AZ a .380 in the pocket or J frame is a lot more concealable 6 months out of the year than alternatives. also, let's be clear about over-penetration.. not a good thing if defending yourself in a crowded situation. you are responsible for that bullet from the time you buy it until it completes it's mission. great video.. glad I ate lunch before seeing it.
every single round on the planet overpenetrates...it's mostly fuddlore/personal opinion in that regard
I can't see risking losing my life on a possible overpenetration or that there were people hit in the backstop. If my life is at stake I'm going to shoot and if an innocent gets killed so be it. I'd rather face those consequences alive. Our feminized culture of safety neuroticism has made us care too much about backstops. I'm not a cop, I have no obligation but to my own life.
I've been accused of over penetration. But, that was years ago.😊
@@driedbrainfreeze2149 that’s fuckin creepy, please reword that
What's up fellow arizonan!
Over-penetration is something folks ought to consider. IMO .380's the best caliber for micro compact pistol frames. it isn't nearly as snappy and it's much easier to get followup shots.
Over-penetration is a serious risk for all women who date me ought to consider.
Best example video online period bruh yall did that!! Gives us a real world review of both calibers.
Love your guys videos good facts and good comedy thank you gentlemen
The .380 in your pocket will do you a lot more good than the .45 that’s on the nightstand cause it’s too big to actually carry and/or conceal.
This is the exact reason I carry 380 EVERY day. Goes in my pocket as easily as my big wad of keys that ride in the other pocket and I NEVER leave without it. I carried IWB 9mm for a few years and noticed that a lack of discipline caused me to not always carry it. Know yourself. If you are disciplined enough to fool with carrying a larger firearm EVERY time you leave, then do so. If not, choose something that you will carry EVERY day. Personally, I found that a 5 minute trip to the corner store and things like that were where I was just too lazy to fool with putting on a holster for 9mm. 380 slides into my pocket even to walk to the mailbox. No way I'd do that with a holster and large firearm. Again, just know yourself and act accordingly IMO.
@@storm9872001 also, here in the south it’s just too hot to wear enough clothes in the summer to conceal a bigger pistol. Also, the wild hogs that I’ve dispatched with my .380 all died and they are tougher than any person I’m likely to run in to, so I know I will continue to feel a lot better with a little pistol I’ll actually carry versus the big sexy ones that look good at the range, but never end up on my person when I’m out in the world.
There are 9s small enough to fit in your pocket the regular p365 is probably smaller than the Beretta in this video
@@ThaWiz11 the smallest 9mm I know of is the sig p938, and its too big for pocket carry. Even the 238 is still chunky.
LCP is probably small enough.. though I have an NAA guardian .380, which def is small enough for pocket carry...I carry it's little brother the .32--THAT is def a pocket gun
I conceal carry 43x and a g 17 g 5
the slomo shot on the G9 .380 was incredible. its was so close to punching through. crazy watching it suck back into the gel
is that an antisemitic dog whistle?
the compact taurus 380 with good ammo packs a punch, just like a fs92
Excellent review, I carry the S&W Bodyguard. It gives tight patterns out to 20 yards. Great CC Pistol.
Very informative video. Thank you.
From personal experience I can tell you that two shots from a .380 can save your butt. I was 65 then and after the SD incident switched from mostly pocket carrying a P3AT to mostly pocket carrying a Kahr PM9. I'm 79 now and because of increasing arthritic pain in my hands I'm giving serious consideration of going back to a .380. Probably the Ruger LCP Max because of my preference for pocket carry.
Ruger LCP is the most unsafe gun...barrel too thin and WILL explode if ANY variation in load charge. I've had 2 explode in my hands and Ruger was all too happy to give my money back to avoid the lawsuit. Go buy a Glock or ...anything else.
It's great to see Charlie back, he adds some great humor to the channel.
I love Charlie
He’s hilarious and the reason I subbed a year or so ago
"Get fit or die or something... I dunno." 😂😂
He has my type of humor which is hilarious.
Yeah when I see Charlie I know it's going to be good.
I typically go .380 during summer since people don’t layer up and 9millie during winter. I believe nobody wants to get shot by neither. Good content! Stay training and aware!
Why not just carry a nine all the time and be done with it?
@@hunterbiden7391 I have small hands
@@hunterbiden7391 because of my body build. I’m 5’7 and 170lbs I print like a mofo! my 9mm carry is the Sig 365 Xmacro and I love carrying it but sometimes I can’t depending on what I wear. My go to .380 is the Ruger LCP Max and I carry that bad boy super easy with any type of clothing. Might not be ideal to some but works for me.
I'm in Florida so I do the same thing. Sig 365 during the winter and sig p238 for the rest of the year. Not a fan of the 365 because the ergonomics are a bit awkward in my hand but am still a decent shot with it but the sig 238 is awesome and is a great range gun too. It's like a mini 1911 chambered in 380 I highly recommend it
@@Javyruiz Ruger makes the LCP-9 too
The .380 handgun I wanted was cheaper, smaller, and lighter vs the 9mm, as was the ammo. Reasons enough for me when considering my preference for CC.
Thats awesome. Where I live .380 is more expensive than 9mm.
Intro was hilarious. Love you guys.
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If you shoot the 380 better than a 9, then carry it. For winter carry use +P, or a jacketed flat tip bullet for more penetration. The 380 will penetrate the human skull, and does not need to exit for results. Reliability and shot placement is #1 and #2. The type of ammo for the job is very important. That said....The 380 is not 9mm. The 9mm is not the 10mm . And so on. It will still do the job, if you can do your part. "JMHO"
I love your content. Your assistant is hilarious.
One of the things I learned in the firearms course I took, was being wary of your surroundings, and what/who is behind your target b/c of the 9mm ability to pass through. Seems like the .38 might be a safer option to avoid potential liability for any unintended injury.
In pocket pistol form, .380 is a notorious over-penetrater. I don't think there is any .380 self-defense round that will reliably expand in a pocket pistol, unlike 9 mm.
If you miss, the 9mm is more dangerous to bystanders. If you hit, and are firing a pocket pistol, the .380 is more dangerous to bystanders.
I'm not sure if longer-barrelled .380s are better. Maybe.
All 380 shots may not have penetrated as far as 9mm but, all 380 shots were kill shots.
Completely agree! I don't want my .380 to over Penetrate; I want the bullet to dump all the energy and expand as much as possible. The .380 is a git off me gun inside 20 yards. All I need it to hit a lung, artery, ect to be effective.
yeah none of their "experiments" were designed to answer the question, just to prove that the 380 was less powerful, which we already knew
@7:06 I can tell you, That was Definitely Defiant 😂 Love your work guys!
love the info and science , you guys keep me laughing !! thank you
The best thing to happen for 380's is that more manufacturers started producing more offerings. This has really helped in the availability of 380 ammo. It took many hours before to ever find ammo for a 380 due to this lack of popularity. So, Thank You.
Most manufacturers make .380 ACP in 2 runs a year. That’s why there are shortages.
I can penetrate with my 9mm Glock but I cannot penetrate with my 6in Cock. Is that why I fantasize about legal murder so much?
If we are talking day to day life the 380 did outperform the 9mm maybe not ballistically but it passed, and you are responsible for that bullet even after it leaves the body of the assailant. what you showed is that the 380 will kill who you are shooting at with less chance of killing or injuring other people due to pass through. along with the lighter weight and less recoil it's definitely a great round.
I agree 100% bud. The pass thru is of great concern especially nowadays with how crazy out 2 tier justice system has become.
The .380 round was developed by John Browning and called 9mm Kurz (short) in Germany because that's what it is..
i think over penetration in this fashion is grossly overstated as an issue. ive yet to hear of a situation where the collateral damage caused by a pass through led to a tragic death. sailing through walls is one thing but causing an exit wound is another entirely.
@Kowazuky your are probably right. Consisting that statistically, you will never have to pull your gun in self-defense scenarios anyway, but just because it rarely happens doesn't mean it shouldn't be considered. I carry both, just depending on my situation, but I can say if it were to happen, you would probably really wish you could have done it differently.
I agree, I would not want over penetration especially if you are living in an apartment or you have family members in your house in other rooms and you have to use your fire arm for a self defense situation, 380 get's the job done safely and with better control which equals more shots on target!
In Florida shorts and T shirts rule. I carry a standard Ruger LCP in my pocket. I bought a Diamondback DB9 which is tiny and +P rated. It's my truck gun. Great video guys.
Me too🙂
Nice video, thanks.
The resurgence of the .380s popularity has led to the development of some remarkable loads. 40 years ago the .380 was a pretty lousy choice with the available ammo selection, but nowadays it's adequate. Not as good as a 9mm, but functionally worthwhile as a self-defense round and certainly has a place in today's market.
I like it because it’s so easily carried/ easily controlled when shooting. I forget it their. And I have confidence it’ll get me through any conflict, if needed, and I don’t have to worry about uncontrollable recoil in a fearful state of mind.
The 380 in my pocket is infinitely more useful for self defense than the 9mm in my gun safe
Glad to see it demonstrated that the caliber is effective. To me it looked like you're still getting most of the damage.
I'll take a slight damage reduction to make the gun noticeably more comfortable to carry and shoot (comparing my LCP Max to my PF9)
Especially considering how low the odds are that I'll ever have to use it.
40 years ago? Well, 1939 to 1945 a crap load of people were "retired" with 9mm kurz/.380 handguns. A frigging crap load.
I know well of two stories of death by only 1-shot of .380acp out of the tiny-barreled Ruger LCP. Probably scores of such.
Based off this video I'd figure the .380 is a totally valid option. Especially if you want a smaller firearm for your ccw.
Yeah. If you can carry a larger gun just as easily then you might as well go 9mm.
But for people like me, I have never managed to consistently carry a 9mm, but my LCP Max is much easier to always have.
The 380 in my pocket is infinitely more useful than my 9mm in my gun safe.
@@TheDarksideFNothing that is me. I have all sorts of firearms, g19, g43, shield plus.... i always ended up not grabbing one 100% of the time. Maybe was armed half the time. Then I got a LCP Max.... carry 100%, always and dont even think about it. Sits in the same bowl as my keys and wallet.
I never leave the house without my leetle fren, Max, first name ruger. I got an A in statistics so tend to rely on them than some guy who wants to measure his "gun" against yours. First, it is unlikely and a low probability you will ever use your gun in self defense. Second, statistically, if you draw, 98% of attackers flee without you even firing. If you fire and miss even more flee. And if you hit them center mass, and statistically the average shot is 9 feet, kinda hard to miss even under stress, it will stop them one way or another. So all the macho crap is bs. Of course 9 mm has more stopping power. But a 44 has more than a 9 mm. And a 50, hey, there's always that thug on angel dust... that is no longer even around. So statistically, not just ballistically, a 380 is appropriate for the job. My Max is always in my pocket, it's like it isn't even there. My neigbor left his 9mm at home cause just going to the gas station... where 4 "teens" with baseball bats attacked him. I have 3 rounds for each before I do a tactical mag change for 10 more. That would be 5 rounds each. See the youtube home invasion videos? How many does the homeowner fire and the invaders ask, hey, what caliber gun are you using. @@TheDarksideFNothing
@@mrca2004 right.
Basically, do I want to be ready for 100% of attackers 60% of the time, or 95% of attackers 95% of the time.
That's ultimately what the decision between 9mm and 380 amounts to for me.
I would suggest an elephant gun. Never know when an elephant will attack. Situational awareness and plenty of practice at draw and shot placement will improve you chances way more than a bit more propellant. When you draw or shoot, punks don't ask the caliber of your weapon, they run. Being punks they are cowards.@@TheDarksideFNothing
Nice , love it ! 👍
I decided to get my girlfriend a sub compact .380 carry gun for her bag/hip as she parks in a parking garage late for work. The 9mm was a little too unmanageable for her to get accurate enough hits. Im very happy with my choice as she is a tiny little thing with minimal gun experience. I feel perfectly content with her armed with that caliber to stay safe.
The Wes Anderson-style intro was 110% on point masterfully done
True. Now they need Owen Wilson, Bill Murray, or Jason Schwartzman to make a cameo.
May I ask what elements make a Wes Anderson intro ? Thanks 🙏
@@Lee-vb4vh All of these ... czcams.com/video/trWLY6NrS2Q/video.html
Remember, any caliber is worthless if you can't anything with it. Also, any gunshot wound will make most sober attackers pause and rethink their recent decisions.
Way back in the day when I was a young lad I owned a BB gun. I also had just gotten some new boots. I was curious about the durability and protective capacity of my boots, and the potency of my BB gun. I cocked, rested my BB gun on top of my right foot w/ the boot on, and pulled the trigger. The pain that rippled through my foot was excruciating. I wasn't running or even walking after any body. Upon inspection I found the BB embedded in the boot leather. Point? Self-defence is statistically going to be close, and getting out of the situation w/ the least amount of damage is the goal. A big part of that is being the guerrilla fighter. Catch your attacker by surprise. Not letting people know your capability. .380 puts us in a category of handguns that are much smaller. Which means many more undetectable carry options. Also, which is mentioned below, not passing through the body is a good thing. You are responsible for every round you discharge. I'm confident if my BB gun was a .380 handgun the round would have gone through the leather and into my foot. If it got through my foot it might well have imbedded in the sole of my boot. I would have fallen to the ground and been taken to the hospital, and been using crutches for a while.
I can't believe how much you and Charlie make a commercial fun to listen to.
"I know for a fact 4 inches is still a big deal on camera" ... Charlie kills me
how about that Superman joke? lol
I'm not at all recoil sensitive but most often I'm carrying my 380 because it is just so easy to carry. It absolutely has it's limits but I would rather have something with me than nothing.
Same here. I'm in Texas and it's HOT! I like the smaller firearm and it still seemed in this text that it is absolutely deadly.
Definitely.
I love my LCP2, everyday pocket carry and I forget it’s there at times, so small.
I carry a Makarov for a long time for the same reason
@@ryth-2401 nice side arm! cannot stand the machismo bs like the guy @ beginning said "only women or small Phillipinos carry 380". Good luck reacquiring your shot with your oh so manly hand cannon faster than me with my 380
Awesome video.
I have the SFX Rival and the SFX Rival S, LOVE them, right now at some Dunham's Stores in Michigan have the SFX Rival S in stock good luck, I had to wait for month's for it, all the Gun stores said good luck on getting one, could take Month's or longer.
You two just proved with proper hit placements the 380 is just as effective as the 9mm in this scenario.
So is the .22 with proper shot placement. With the size of the 9mm you can get these days why not. Only 2 mm of extra casing on the 9mm round over the. 380. They're pretty close. If I lived up north or way south I'd not carry .380 with its low Temps and everyone wearing layers of clothing.
Hit placement in an actual shooting is one of the last things to pass through a person's mind.
@@mnpd3 no but muscle memory from training sure as hell helps. When it's instinctive...
@@mnpd3 That’s why cops spray & pray so to speak
Yes. My S&W 642 Airweight is my favorite carry. No misfires. No jams .