Throne of Eldraine Set Review I The Command Zone 289 I Magic: the Gathering Commander EDH

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    Show Notes:
    Jimmy and Josh examine and evaluate the non-legendary cards from Throne of Eldraine that they think will make the biggest splash in Commander. Are there any great new effects that will take your EDH decks to the next level? Watch and find out!
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  • @commandcast
    @commandcast  Před 4 lety +54

    If you want to learn how to make a GINGERBRUTE in real life, check out my cooking show Feast of Fiction! We teamed up to make this Throne of Eldraine classic - and it is absolutely delicious: czcams.com/video/a_VHoqr1-iU/video.html

    • @caseyd471
      @caseyd471 Před 4 lety

      The Command Zone Sissay + Happily Ever After

    • @snakeman830
      @snakeman830 Před 4 lety

      FYI, Kess does NOT work with Adventure cards. The instant or sorcery on the card is treated as though it doesn't exist outside of the stack for anything looking at card names, types, or mana costs.

    • @commandcast
      @commandcast  Před 4 lety +3

      snakeman830 We double checked with the official rules rep from WotC and he confirmed that it does work with Kess.

    • @boombox_up_to_11
      @boombox_up_to_11 Před 4 lety +1

      I think you are miscalculating the Castles. Calling them overcosted is misleading, as the costs makes up for the low opportunity cost. Outpost requires land sacrifice, then if you lose it you get 2-for-1'ed. Adanto requires you to have attacked with 3 creatures. Not great as a draw later game with an empty board. Sometimes even dropping it turn 1 it never gets activated. Garenbrig taps for G no matter what. That is huge. If you've heavily played Temple of the False God in any format, you know how awful it is when you draw 1 (or in non-singleton formats 2 XD) and you never hit the land threshold, making them useless. Same reason I played Cabal Stronghold when others said its not Cabal Coffers, its trash. At least Stronghold always taps for mana. Cabal Coffers has the same problem as Temple of the False God, in that sometimes it never actually nets you any mana. I think they are costed accordingly considering there are virtually zero drawbacks for inclusion.

    • @nathaniellazo5912
      @nathaniellazo5912 Před 4 lety

      Omg the intro lol!!!!

  • @DarkEinherjar
    @DarkEinherjar Před 4 lety +118

    Thorn Mammoth says "fights UP TO one". If you don't want to lose it, just choose to fight zero creatures.

    • @lowemargas
      @lowemargas Před 4 lety +6

      Going to upvote this to improve visibility.

    • @RobertH3
      @RobertH3 Před 4 lety +1

      I was thinking this exact same thing. Mentally screaming at the tv. We all make mistakes though. Thanks for pointing it out.

    • @fandomewhisper
      @fandomewhisper Před 4 lety +1

      They are exceptionally bad at evaluating cards TBH

  • @andyscout
    @andyscout Před 4 lety +57

    Happily Ever After does count instants and sorceries among the cards in your graveyard. So of the 8 card types (creature, land, enchantment, artifact, planeswalker, tribal, instant, and sorcery), you need six. Otherwise it'd be impossible to do in Standard, so there's no way they'd print it here.

    • @TheDarthsteve316
      @TheDarthsteve316 Před 4 lety +2

      Yeah. The "permanents" is there for the battlefield. Graveyard can have any of them.

    • @serafimb2319
      @serafimb2319 Před 4 lety +2

      I dont like the fact that tribal is a card type at all. Legendary isnt one and shouldn't be one either

    • @ayties5113
      @ayties5113 Před 4 lety

      @@TheDarthsteve316 Yeah: It clearifice "permanets" on the battlefield and declarse "cards" for the graveyard.

    • @AbyssArray
      @AbyssArray Před 4 lety

      Probably relying on having stuff in your Graveyard to make it easier - perhaps you can self-mill a lot to fulfill the conditions (or maybe ones that search your deck and toss stuff in the graveyard)

  • @staizer
    @staizer Před 4 lety +36

    Happily Ever After does count instants and sorceries, just in the graveyard.

  • @UniGya
    @UniGya Před 4 lety +42

    Jimmy: “I don’t think Oko is amazing but he’s pretty good”
    6 months later: Oko is banned in Standard, Pioneer, Modern, Brawl, and Historic

    • @TheWmubronco30
      @TheWmubronco30 Před 4 lety +6

      To be fair they are referring to the cards utility in commander where oko is probably just pretty good

    • @rivalthoughts2061
      @rivalthoughts2061 Před 4 lety

      I have a friend who plays Oko in their Super Friends deck, I hate it more than anything else.

    • @Servbot40
      @Servbot40 Před 3 lety

      @@rivalthoughts2061 Thats more an issue with the archtype of superfriends rather that a testament to the power of Oko in commander. Planeswalkers need to do more in commander than be an expensive sorcery speed Pognify. In commander you are less likely to have him take over games like you would in a 1v1 format. In a deck like superfriends you have multiple planeswalkers that you need to deal with and that protect each other making the better ones even stronger, thus your frustration with Oko.

    • @Dingovff
      @Dingovff Před 3 lety

      @@rivalthoughts2061
      The Elderspell

    • @clarknes3111
      @clarknes3111 Před 3 lety

      @@Dingovff Coming in a bit late, but the problem with the elderspell here is that unless your meta is extremely planeswalker heavy or you all rule 0 planeswalkers to commanders like my playgroup its rarely worth running it.

  • @monsterhunter614
    @monsterhunter614 Před 4 lety +62

    if only you knew a pro football player who loves magic to be garruk.

  • @stormybaker4135
    @stormybaker4135 Před 4 lety +14

    At 43:55 Jimmy says: "We're all about abusing it." Then he quickly adds, "Cards!" Thanks for clarifying, Jimmy!

  • @calinschnurer1133
    @calinschnurer1133 Před 4 lety +70

    Gingerbread house gets revealed
    Jimmy- "real flavorful"
    Dont know why, but when you said that, I laughed so hard.
    All and all, looks like an interesting set. Thanks for the breakdown guys.

    • @GuardianAngelEatos
      @GuardianAngelEatos Před 4 lety +2

      Ah! Because It's a gingerbread house, It's flavorful! I didn't catch that! Haha!

  • @willb5658
    @willb5658 Před 4 lety +40

    Meddling mage vs adventure spells:
    If meddling mage names the adventure portion, you can't cast it, but you can still cast the creature as normal. If meddling mage names the creature, you can still cast the adventure.

  • @UmoLoco
    @UmoLoco Před 4 lety +5

    3:26 to start the main topic

  • @felixbillington6151
    @felixbillington6151 Před 4 lety +62

    Kenrith is the family name I assume. They are his kids btw 😂😂

    • @Mordalon
      @Mordalon Před 4 lety +24

      "These people share a name, and one is a king and the others are Scions, I wonder if they're related?"

    • @Lucarioguild7
      @Lucarioguild7 Před 4 lety +11

      felix billington I know they’re not lore people but that pained me so much

    • @elizabethhicks4181
      @elizabethhicks4181 Před 4 lety +1

      Scion is also not a word that's used super often nowadays. Slightly more often on MTG cards but I'm not sure they'd be aware of the "Descendants of royals" definition. Now that I look at it closer, I guess the card name is a little redundant when you look at it. "The Royal Descendants of Royals". Very posh.

    • @porci751
      @porci751 Před 4 lety +1

      @@elizabethhicks4181 Scion doesn't mean "Descendant of a royal" it just means something like "notable descendant", for example, in game of thrones. you could call someone like Sam "the scion of house Tarly"

    • @Chettor13
      @Chettor13 Před 4 lety +1

      Daddy Kenrith, Returned King. Mommy Linden, the Steadfast Queen. Son Will, blue mage. Daughter Rowan, red mage. All that we are currently lacking is the green aunt and black uncle, since Kenrith is an 5 colour card.

  • @jacobthies5381
    @jacobthies5381 Před 4 lety +47

    They should put all their intro songs onto a Spotify playlist

    • @cococovrro
      @cococovrro Před 4 lety

      THIS !!!

    • @LeKrutes
      @LeKrutes Před 4 lety +2

      Somebody did this for them its on there. Cant Remember the name.

    • @Cryonicity
      @Cryonicity Před 4 lety

      They did this back on a video a year ago. Wish I could help you find it.

    • @nicolastrevino8735
      @nicolastrevino8735 Před 4 lety

      I searched Command Zone on Spotify, and there is a list under Command Zone @283 (like that - it's not one word) and it has The Command Zone picture logo. On an unrelated note, and if anybody's interested, when I searched it, I also got Hodor vs Groot Rap Battle as a search option.

  • @CorruptionAura
    @CorruptionAura Před 4 lety +16

    Commercial during video had jimmy in it, much surprise.

  • @plus1032
    @plus1032 Před 4 lety +1

    Glad you mentioned the Aminatou combo with wishclaw talisman. It also works with Venser, the Sojourner. Can't wait to add it to my commander deck!

  • @Ryuki19n
    @Ryuki19n Před 4 lety +49

    My lgs is selling these brawl decks for 25. Cardkingdom is selling them for 44. Kinda scummy.

    • @crosslayer102389
      @crosslayer102389 Před 4 lety +1

      Same here. They are hitting shelves on Friday at my lgs for 24.99 USD

    • @hatjousuke
      @hatjousuke Před 4 lety +8

      Card Kingdom sells EVERYTHING at a higher price than other outlets.

    • @Agniakachan
      @Agniakachan Před 4 lety

      Our local store don’t sell them at all :( All sold out in the instant. Too many bought 4 packs to get new cards valid for standard.

  • @TransSoulAlesha
    @TransSoulAlesha Před 4 lety +23

    3:30

  • @aunrah02
    @aunrah02 Před 4 lety

    Dude, love these long vids/deep dives.
    Also, thank you for the cooking link

  • @FrostLordOni
    @FrostLordOni Před 4 lety +7

    “We’ll be right back after a quick word from our sponsors”
    We’ll see about that. KING CRIMSON!

  • @ElecTrishian924
    @ElecTrishian924 Před 4 lety +2

    For anyone curious about the relationship between Will and Rowan and the Returned King, they are his children. He's "returned" because the same quest that ignited their spark was one where they had to rescue him.

  • @RoscoeKane
    @RoscoeKane Před 4 lety +1

    Murderous rider goes to the graveyard when it dies, then put's a trigger on the stack. When the trigger resolves it will move it from your graveyard zone to the bottom of your library zone. If you have Kess out, you can respond to the trigger by casting swift end, and then the trigger will fail to find Murderous rider in your graveyard, so you can keep it!

  • @Tyrius8
    @Tyrius8 Před 4 lety

    this set is awesome! just pulled a bonecrusher giant and foil order of midnight( both collectors edition) in the same pack and it was a standard draft booster! my two collectors packs were sick!!!!

  • @whatsinadeadname
    @whatsinadeadname Před 4 lety +4

    The big downside with Dance of the Manse is at X >= 6, any artifacts returned come in with summoning sickness.

  • @ethana9921
    @ethana9921 Před 4 lety +14

    This literally came out right after I finished the Gingerbrute video and the new Training Montage video omg

  • @atwistedsky9169
    @atwistedsky9169 Před 4 lety +2

    I built a Giant Tribal standard deck and it's been great so far. Definitely making it in paper for FNM but I'm now sad there's not a good legendary Giant in Gruul colours to brew a commander deck.

  • @dennisyoung6122
    @dennisyoung6122 Před 4 lety +7

    Adventures count as two completely different cards, so naming cards like Meddling Mage can only target one or the other, not both. Also, Adventure cards are always a creature except when being cast as an adventure, so creature fetch spells will get it, but not spells that fetch an instant or sorcery.

    • @bcoble121691
      @bcoble121691 Před 4 lety +1

      This also makes them playable in a primal surge deck.

    • @Mattismen
      @Mattismen Před 4 lety

      I'm just trying to figure out how giving Adventures Rebound would work.

  • @gerardochavez1528
    @gerardochavez1528 Před 4 lety +10

    I wanna do Kenrith group hug/pillow fort with Happily Ever After as a potential wincon

  • @skylerhenderson8093
    @skylerhenderson8093 Před 4 lety +2

    Will and Rowan are Kennreth’s (probably spelling it wrong) kids. They share a single spark between them which is why they can be on the same card.

  • @EdBurke37
    @EdBurke37 Před 4 lety +24

    Instants and Sorceries count for Happily Ever After, Jimmy

  • @zizthesin
    @zizthesin Před 4 lety

    Split Cards when named by meddling mage still allow the other half of the card to be cast like with Fire//Ice if you name ice you can cast fire, i would assume you would need to name one or the other half of an adventure or even the aftermath cards. Though it does specifically mention fuse as an outlier case wherein you cannot cast either part of the card if one is named.

  • @tomjung2750
    @tomjung2750 Před 4 lety

    love dance of the manse. already ordered a playset for under $1 each. have 2 decks for it to go straight into as I love grave yard recursion and I have both an artifact and an enchantment deck for them to go in as another copy of open the vaults/roar of reclamation.

  • @ondrejbronec837
    @ondrejbronec837 Před 4 lety +1

    I think Castle Locthwain deserves more hype - "you only want to activate it if you have few cards or are desperate" is what you would do anyway with a land that draws a card for bunch of mana. Also 4 mana for a card is actually quite decent rate (Kefnet and Tasigur are both good with simular ability), it doesn't take a deck slot and is almost immune to removal! I think Rakdos, Orzhov, aggresive black decks etc. - all might want this castle.

  • @BiscuitsBox
    @BiscuitsBox Před 4 lety +21

    "We won't be covering many adventure cards because they won't have an impact on our format" oh those words will come back to haunt you.

    • @battleland7263
      @battleland7263 Před 4 lety +1

      What adventure cards would be good? I don't think so personally but I'd love to see what you do

    • @incogneat0901
      @incogneat0901 Před 4 lety +1

      @@battleland7263 I will say that creatures are much easier to recur, to get back into your hand even, than instants and sorceries, so when a creature has those stapled on them it's worth noting.
      there are a handful of them that would work nicely in my sidisi, brood tyrant deck, since I'm milling myself for combo pieces anyway and have other benefits to having creatures instead of spells for certain effects.
      usually recurring an instant or a sorcery means exiling it, but if you can get it back into your hand from the yard or from the battlefield you are on your way to having another way to infinitely recur a spell. the ones that come on lower cost creatures would obviously be easier but infinite mana combos are not rare in commander or anything. think sac outlet, phyrexian reclaimation, and a mana engine.

    • @BiscuitsBox
      @BiscuitsBox Před 4 lety +1

      @@battleland7263 Apologies for the delay getting back to you, but to add to what @Justin Hurst said, a lot of hand removal cards state non-creature, non-land. Adventure cards are always creatures except when casting.

    • @zo-zu7158
      @zo-zu7158 Před 4 lety +2

      Lucky Clover, Murderous Rider, Edgewall Innkeeper, Beanstalk and Realm-Cloaked Giants...
      All pretty great cards if you ask me.

  • @rockandrolljew89
    @rockandrolljew89 Před 4 lety

    On Magic Mirror, blue or Izzet does have a ton of artifact cost reduction, so even without a lot of instant and sorceries it can be broken. Saheeli-like decks in particular

  • @stephenthorpe1422
    @stephenthorpe1422 Před 4 lety

    I was really intrigued with the Archon that makes all non-archon's into base 3/3's. Was thinking of playing it with the 0/0 Hydras and Modular Artifact creatures as well as other Archons in a Krond the Dawn-Clad deck.

  • @themanofman1892
    @themanofman1892 Před 4 lety +2

    Wow, I got the magic ad with Jimmy in it, that was awsome

  • @NezumiLT
    @NezumiLT Před 4 lety +1

    I’m excited about Embercleave for Valduk. It should be easy to get the full discount. 2 mana to have another equipment attached to Valduk is exciting enough. And that’s before the actual buffs it gives.

  • @hxcnoel
    @hxcnoel Před 4 lety +2

    Technically Vannifar and Pod decks already have the 2 drop untapper in Scryb Ranger, but it's nice to have another one

  • @GuardianAngelEatos
    @GuardianAngelEatos Před 4 lety +2

    Really the castle cards cost one more mana to use their ability because instead of tapping them for mana, you're tapping them for their ability. Also, that does looks like Aladdin's lamp in the background! Haha! Wow! I didn't notice that!

  • @axelexplode
    @axelexplode Před 4 lety +9

    The white legendary artifact might be good with planeswalkers.
    Gain a blocker when you cast them.

    • @GuardianAngelEatos
      @GuardianAngelEatos Před 4 lety +1

      Yeah, but It's six mana though. You're already going to be playing plenty of high casting cost planeswalkers in the deck and board wipes. Also, you have a very interesting profile name. I love Axel!

    • @axelexplode
      @axelexplode Před 4 lety +1

      @@GuardianAngelEatos yeah it is slow but I think it'd be fine in commander still adds value to your spells and board. Thankfully says creatures you control. The safest cool chabge would've been having it cost less per legend and push that angle.
      Thanks Axel/Lea is one of my favorite characters. His self destruct was a really cool moment to me.

    • @GuardianAngelEatos
      @GuardianAngelEatos Před 4 lety +1

      @@axelexplode Yeah I think they could have pushed it more. It feels underwhelming to me. There's much better things you could play at six mana. This is a card that gains you value over time, and I don't like those kind of cards when they cost a lot. I like cards that gain you value over time when they have a low cost so you are more likely to get the amount of value in which the card is worth it.
      Yeah Alex/Lea is one of my favorites too. He's such a great character! He's easily my favorite Kingdom Hearts character!

  • @Isheian
    @Isheian Před 4 lety

    I wish I could have gotten y’alls playmat. But I didn’t know about y’all till way after, but I have backed for Jumbos playmat.

  • @adderall3676
    @adderall3676 Před 4 lety +4

    Will and Rowan are siblings. This plane is designed as their origin story because it's where they are from. King Kenrith is their dad.

  • @NicksMagicstorytime
    @NicksMagicstorytime Před 4 lety

    The Great Henge was about the only card I was really excited for. Fortunately my son and I got it as one of our Prerelease promos in our 2HG prerelease. I feel like I want it in my Pir & Toothy deck, because it starts Toothy off with two counters or a sick four if Pir is in play, but my Pir & Toothy deck is tight right now and I don't know what I would take out for a card that might just be too "win more" by the time I can get it in play.

  • @ToHellWithReality
    @ToHellWithReality Před 4 lety

    Circle of Loyalty is actually really useful in Aryel, since it's a deck that wants to make a lot of tokens to benefit off X Knight abilities. I'm really looking forward to it.

  • @brenthorsten3017
    @brenthorsten3017 Před 4 lety +5

    Castle Embereth (the red rare land) might find a home in the Locust god decks

  • @gonzoron
    @gonzoron Před 4 lety +2

    Food isn't a creature type, only an artifact type. But Gingerbrute is an artifact creature, so it can have an artifact type (food) and a creature type (golem) just like dryad arbor has a land type (forest) and a creature type (dryad)

  • @elijahdavila3684
    @elijahdavila3684 Před 4 lety

    Fires of Invention could be really good in Izzet or Temur (especially for the land ramp) because of all of the blue cards with activated abilities that let you bounce the enchantment. So you cast Fires of Invention, cast your second spell for free because of Fires, then bounce fires and now because its restriction is gone you can use the rest of your mana as you like or still play instant speed interaction on your opponents turns. Then you cast Fires again next turn and do the same thing.

  • @TheeKrix
    @TheeKrix Před 4 lety

    Or with witchclaw talisman you can use the card “Soul Diviner” from war of the sparks and can move counters

  • @sonnymoreno5083
    @sonnymoreno5083 Před 4 lety +4

    You guys are awesome, the whole reason why I play commander and even got into mtg!! Keep up the great work 🙏🏽🙏🏽

  • @adace8289
    @adace8289 Před 4 lety

    with fae of wishes , if you use the sorcery part of it , does it still exile it and you can bring it back ?, i noticed it dosent say that on that card like some of the other adventure cards

    • @tzarl
      @tzarl Před 4 lety

      Yes, it's baked into the rules for the subtype Adventure. Other cards have it as reminder text so people who aren't familiar with it can still understand the rules. Fae of Wishes just didn't have space for that reminder text I think.

  • @kingofdurp2329
    @kingofdurp2329 Před 3 lety

    Hey so if I cast an adventure with kess does anyone know if the adventure card then goes on adventure exile or just exiled

  • @markcooper4876
    @markcooper4876 Před 4 lety

    If I use Castle Garenbrig in my Omnath Deck, I would have to keep track of which and how much mana can only be used for creatures and creature abilities separately right? That sounds like a pain.

  • @chromarush1749
    @chromarush1749 Před 4 lety +2

    Fires of invention means you can run any color card in mono red.

  • @chrisbedrin3618
    @chrisbedrin3618 Před 4 lety

    Another easy combo with Mystic Sanctuary is using Ghostly Flicker and Coveted Jewel. You flicker Mystic Sanctuary and the Jewel putting Ghostly Flicker back on top and drawing it along with 2 more cards from the Jewel ETB, drawing your whole deck and netting a bunch (but not infinite) of blue mana from the Sanctuary.

  • @jordancarlson6556
    @jordancarlson6556 Před 4 lety +1

    I am very happy to share with everyone that I opened up a "The Great Henge" and immediately put it in one of my decks.
    And I got every "Syr", with the red and blue as dupes. I also got a fabled passage... good stuff.

  • @andyscout
    @andyscout Před 4 lety

    Yes, Kenrith is the family name but also commonly what the king is called. Will and Rowan are his children, though they are not related to Linden (the queen).

  • @MehrGills
    @MehrGills Před 4 lety +2

    where are you finding bloomtender for 30? please tell me i will buy them

  • @jhayjatap
    @jhayjatap Před 4 lety

    Not sure if it was already mentioned but Scuttlemutt can give 5 colors to a mono-white deck for Happily Ever After

  • @ToBeAloneUK
    @ToBeAloneUK Před 3 lety

    Wouldn't end of turn effects make you keep Wishclaw tailisman
    Use it once, before it goes to opponent use end the turn effect, leaves the stack and should be good to use again at the next turn aslong as you use the end of turn effect again before it goes to the opponent? You can then keep it for a tutor per turn

  • @87channels
    @87channels Před 4 lety

    The kickstarter playmat isn't in the description box?

  • @rustyrowan7068
    @rustyrowan7068 Před 3 lety

    Funny story about the wish claw talisman one of my players in my group played it and I have poliferate in my marath will of the wild deck so we made a deal and we passed it back and forth as I kept it charged up with wish counters

  • @JurinoJr
    @JurinoJr Před 4 lety

    Wait, arcane signet does not go in every deck? which decks shouldn't play ramp in edh?

  • @matthewjennings7645
    @matthewjennings7645 Před 4 lety

    Drown in the Loch is pretty great for mill hybrid decks, I'm excited to slot it into Scarab God.

  • @buttnugget2900
    @buttnugget2900 Před 4 lety

    No mention of Vantress Gargoyle? Or All That Glitters? Especially All that glitters... Powerful card for only 2 mana.

  • @jeremywigington6176
    @jeremywigington6176 Před 4 lety

    Interesting card that you left out from the set. Midnight Clock. It’s a personal Time Twister with a long fuse. Thought?

  • @DarkEinherjar
    @DarkEinherjar Před 4 lety

    I want Oko for his +1 alone... hey, nice Sol Ring you have there with that one-land hand you kept! It would be a shame if someone shut it down...

  • @alleistervoosen473
    @alleistervoosen473 Před 4 lety

    The Cauldron of Eternity would be great with a discard engine, sort of like the buried alive/exhume combo.

  • @jnorthey9
    @jnorthey9 Před 4 lety +2

    38:00 it's hard to get value when you have to control the opponents, only playable in senn triplets

  • @FennaDG
    @FennaDG Před 4 lety

    Also, I don’t know if this is right, but I think you can still cast the cards exiled with Robber of the Rich if he is off of the battlefield.

  • @NaviTheMD
    @NaviTheMD Před 4 lety +30

    "Arcane Signet is overrated", nice try guys.. wizards messed up, thx god they said more reprints r coming.
    I get is not perfect for green decks but any other color uses this for ramp.

    • @fidly4
      @fidly4 Před 4 lety +5

      The reprinting doesn't help with how it kills diversity of deckbuilding in commander. Now there's no reason to even consider a diamond or an amulet until you already have arcane signet in the deck. Wotc certainly did mess up cuz this makes deck building way less interesting.

    • @RobertH3
      @RobertH3 Před 4 lety +4

      Strict upgrade on Diamonds.
      Lately I have been debating between Signets and Talismans in edh, and after running both I for sure prefer Talismans. Signets have hurt me too many times with repeating single colors. Also I have had this too many times: land --> sol ring --> signet --> (nothing, because I don't have the seed mana to get my one more mana). Not strictly a big deal, but annoys me. I feel like talismans are better.
      Now, an Arcane signet is a strict upgrade from a Talisman. The exception would be if you are playing cards that need the 2 colors in addition to specifically colorless mana (think Zendikar), then you might still use the Talismans.
      Also, they are saying that Fellwar Stone is just as good, which is ridiculous. For one, even if the game ultimately has every color represented, that does *not* mean that the colors you are about are represented when you need them. In the first few turns especially you can find yourself needing a color that isn't there. Also, this can be *very* meta dependent. For instance, in my meta it seems pretty common to find one color completely not represented with the commanders at the table.
      Tell me, would you consider Command Tower and Exotic Orchard to be equivalent for your deck? Because these are the land equivalents of these two cards.
      Arcane Signet is a strict upgrade from Fellwar Stone, with one exception I can think of: let's say you are playing a deck that steals / clones your opponent's stuff, Fellwar Stone / Exotic Orchard allow you to use your opponent's colors to activate abilities and the like (came up in my most recent game).
      I will be wanting one of these for every one of my commander decks... unless I make a colorless one, because it's worthless there. But then, so are Signets, Talismans, and Diamonds.
      Also, I don't buy the argument of these colorless mana rocks being better. Not that it isn't true, per se, but it just doesn't matter whether or not it's true. We are playing a 100-card, singleton format. It's not like you would be playing those *instead* of the colorless rocks, you will be be playing those *in addition to*. Even if there are 3-4 better colorless mana rocks, then this is just your 4th-5th mana rock. Then if you need more, then you start looking at Talismans and Signets, etc.
      For what we are talking about, arguing that other cards are better is a straw man. That's not the argument that is being put. It's not "this is the best mana rock ever" (true or not) it's closer to "this has an exceptionally high percentage of all decks where it makes sense to put in the 99".
      Instead, this is just the best 2 cost color-producing mana rock, in a format that loves 2 color mana rocks. And even in mono color decks I will be including most of the time because it is still ramp that gets you the colors you want. This is important because often in my mono-color decks I play cards that have a ton of the appropriate mana symbols (BBB/BBBB/UUU/UUUU/etc), or repeatable abilities that need specific colors, and the colorless mana rocks don't help here. Think of it this way:
      It seems pretty clear to me that this is set to be a commander staple somewhere just behind Sol Ring, and probably slightly ahead of even things like Command Tower. Why? Well, Arcane Signet is useful pretty much everywhere Command Tower is useful, but Command Tower is pointless in mono color, where Arcane Signet is not.
      The other huge issue: very low availability. These are *exclusively* available in these brawl decks. So, you Wizard's a card that is clearly going to be heavily used in Commander, then released it exclusively in their pushed format that happens to vaguely resemble commander. Also, not surprisingly that format is the closest thing Arena has to commander, and they know that commander is a huge part of the paper community, and they really want to bring some of that community into Arena.
      Summary of previous: It looks like Arcane Signet was released as an attempt to get commander players into Arena.
      Unfortunately, high demand and low supply means high price (until reprint, when will that be?), making the format baseline cost more expensive, and giving more feel-bads for those who can't / won't spend all that cash on cardboard.
      At least I am glad you guys introduced the idea of the Checklist system to me, which I am using. I am planning to pick up one of these brawl decks, checklisting the Arcane Signet, and then using it in every deck. Thank you for that idea, makes the whole thing more manageable.

    • @yaoguai8459
      @yaoguai8459 Před 4 lety

      @@fidly4 Right?! Because Sol Ring and Command Tower being in nearly every deck has really killed diversity among decks out there. There will always be diversity among casual players and the thing that makes competitive decks less diverse is broken commanders. If you're running into multiple Zurich, The Enchanter decks that ramp him out as soon as possible and take you out fast, the issue is Zur, not a single efficient mana rock.

    • @fidly4
      @fidly4 Před 4 lety +2

      @@yaoguai8459 It's not all or nothing. Of course sol ring and command tower haven't "killed" deck diversity but they've certainly decreased it. They go in every deck, which means when you're building it you only get to choose 98 cards instead of 100, now likely down to 97. Yes, you can deliberately hinder your deck during the building process by choosing not to include them, but even if you feel the cards you're replacing them with are more fun, they'll feel a little less fun when you know they're actively hurting your chances of winning. Lots of people like to build "optimized" decks, a deck that's as good as a deck can possibly be with its commander. That's not the same thing as building a Cedh deck, because lots of commanders just aren't good enough for Cedh. But whenever you're building an optimized deck, you already know sol ring, command tower, and arcane signet are going in, so you don't get to do the fun decision-making of figuring out which mana-rocks, of which there are a great many with secondary abilities and various qualities to compare with other mana rocks, go into your deck.

    • @yaoguai8459
      @yaoguai8459 Před 4 lety +1

      @@fidly4 If you think 3 cards being in ever deck (2 of which won't even be in mono colored decks) makes everything less diverse enough that it concerns you then I don't think you understand what diversity is. This is a non-issue. You're complaining to merely complain.

  • @nigelskaife3024
    @nigelskaife3024 Před 4 lety

    Mystic Sanctuary works really well in a deck with Aminatou. So, this set has 2 cards that are perfect for a deck with her at the helm.

  • @jokesonyou91
    @jokesonyou91 Před 4 lety +3

    Thorn Mammoth says "up to one creature an opponent controls". Does that mean you can choose not to hit something, in order to keep your mammoth from dying?

    • @BW-CZ
      @BW-CZ Před 4 lety

      Yes, it means exactly that

  • @ransiafalavir
    @ransiafalavir Před 4 lety +2

    Just to clarify about Gingerbrute, Food is not a creature type, it is an artifact type.

    • @RobertH3
      @RobertH3 Před 4 lety

      This surprised me too. I feel like the card design should be rethought to make that more clear. A second hyphon? Different font? I don't know.

  • @miaschwartz1074
    @miaschwartz1074 Před 4 lety

    The magic mirror. Great in my pir and toothy partner deck. Manipulate counters and proliferate with lots of instants and sorcerys

  • @christianfeldtmann6571

    Do the Motive-Cardsleeves from Throne of Eldraine have the "eclipse-technology" or are they still as trshy as they were back in the days?

  • @lost-in-fantasy6504
    @lost-in-fantasy6504 Před 4 lety +1

    Wishclaw Talisman works great if the first card you tutor up is a homeward path. Play homeward path that turn, activate it before the opponent gets to untap wishclaw...
    Seems pretty good to me

    • @GuardianAngelEatos
      @GuardianAngelEatos Před 4 lety +1

      Ah good thinking! Then you get two tutors to get what you want and Homeward Path for just five mana. That sounds good to me.

  • @xgxwills2857
    @xgxwills2857 Před 4 lety

    Wishclaw Talisman also do well with Vampire Hexmage, though I wouldn't exactly advise that.

  • @kevinlachance669
    @kevinlachance669 Před 4 lety +1

    The green castle land only ramps you 1 more mana. You tap the land and then tap for 4. So you go from 5 to 6. Maybe it's good in standard mon green aggro or something like that.

    • @GuardianAngelEatos
      @GuardianAngelEatos Před 4 lety

      I'm glad someone else noticed that. It drives me nutts when people don't take into account that when you use lands mana abilities it actually costs one more mana because instead of gaining a mana from that land, you are using it for It's ability.

  • @Lumly1
    @Lumly1 Před 4 lety

    Something to point out. The effects on the castles effectively cost you an extra mana. Since you need to tap those lands for their effect instead of mana you are losing out on the mana it could produce that turn.

  • @zaclock-4228
    @zaclock-4228 Před 4 lety +17

    You are incorrect about the Kess/Adventure combo. Adventure cards have this ruling: "An adventurer card is a creature card in every zone except the stack, as well as while on the stack if not cast as an Adventure. Ignore its alternative characteristics in those cases. For example, while it's in your graveyard, Giant Killer is a white creature card whose converted mana cost is 1. It can't be the target of the triggered ability of Mystic Sanctuary."

    • @commandcast
      @commandcast  Před 4 lety +9

      Just asked Eli Shiffrin about this on Twitter: "can Kess Dissident Mage cast the Adventure side of a card that's an instant/sorcery from your graveyard?"
      His answer: "Yes, it can."

    • @geefron
      @geefron Před 4 lety +1

      @@commandcast "While Beanstalk Giant is on the battlefield, just ignore the Adventure and all its text. While the card is in your hand, your graveyard, your library, even exile, it has only the characteristics of the creature, not the Adventure. For example, if you cast a spell that lets you search your library and find a creature card, you can find Beanstalk Giant. But if you cast a spell that lets you search your library and find an instant or sorcery card, you won't be able to find Fertile Footsteps."
      From the wizards primer on the rulings for the new mechanics. I hesitate to question Eli's take, but I can't find anything agreeing with his analysis.

    • @zaclock-4228
      @zaclock-4228 Před 4 lety

      @@commandcast Thank you for asking him. The incoherence with his own rulings is so obvious, I can't rule out him simply doing an honest mistake in his Twitter answer. I guess I'll check if Chandra, Acolyte of Flame or Dreadhorde Arcanist can cast adventures on Arena as a definitive answer.

    • @tzarl
      @tzarl Před 4 lety +4

      Kess, Elsha, and Jeleva can cast because 1)they dont require you to target an instant or sorcery card and 2)you check if a card can be cast only once you've started casting them so it's already on the stack in instant/sorcery mode when it checks (look at mystic forge and morph ruling to see a similar example)

    • @geefron
      @geefron Před 4 lety +2

      @@tzarl Good stuff. Tha ks for clearing that up!

  • @6LordMortus9
    @6LordMortus9 Před 4 lety

    The last card goes with the Red Rogue card earlier in the video.

  • @seanmullin4736
    @seanmullin4736 Před 4 lety

    Realm-cloaked giant is also good in Oloro, since he tends to be pillowforty and is himself a giant.

  • @Zaeylo
    @Zaeylo Před 4 lety +5

    Wish DJ was in on a set like this, I miss his excitement for interesting and flavorful cards.

  • @lazynik
    @lazynik Před 4 lety

    Wishclaw Talisman definitely what I think is also the best card, aside from the most talked about Arcane Signet.. Faeburrow Elder is also great for me, since it will be great in my Doran EDH deck.. just hope it has more toughness to be perfect..

  • @nickshellhammer3431
    @nickshellhammer3431 Před 4 lety

    Adamant was a clever way to set up for Devotion.

  • @Stu_Pickeles
    @Stu_Pickeles Před 4 lety

    Interesting idea for Wishclaw Talisman; If youre playing Two-Headed Giant and use this, your team tutor's 2 cards, and your opponents only get one. So maybe good?

  • @Bendy4skin
    @Bendy4skin Před 4 lety

    For someone who runs Niv Mizzet Parun as his commander, the Magic Mirror is all sorts of fun :)

  • @fearanarchy
    @fearanarchy Před 4 lety

    *Verdant Succession* works with Reito Lantern, etc but obv Cauldron is free loop

  • @CnDsaint
    @CnDsaint Před 4 lety

    The castles are fine. Run 1-2 of each in duel and 4 in mono. You will be surprised how often it's kinda handy end game when if it's broken down into a slug exchange between players. Not always handy but it also doesn't hurt at all if you mana weave smart. I def say it improves mono decks and kindish helps duel.

  • @WayneAnonymous
    @WayneAnonymous Před 4 lety

    His name is Alengus Kenrith. You're right though, I wouldn't have known as well. It's only in the books.

  • @SingerOfW
    @SingerOfW Před 4 lety

    You don't even have to jump through the priority hoops with Aminatou and Wishclaw: she can return any permanent you "own", as that's supposed to help her take back the permanents she gives away with her ultimate.

  • @jackhamilton3480
    @jackhamilton3480 Před 4 lety

    Damn how did I not know about Dance of the Manse before this, that’s going straight into Sydri

  • @FateDecider1
    @FateDecider1 Před 4 lety

    What if you gave magic mirror to your opponent to mill them out paired with Paradox Haze very fast just get some value off it then hand it to an opponent as you start to draw 5 or 6 + cards a turn.

  • @hatxd699
    @hatxd699 Před 4 lety

    People keep saying Castle Garenbrig gives 6 for 4 mana, but its actually 5 because you also have to tap the land with the ability in order to generate those 6 mana.

  • @jakeapplegate6642
    @jakeapplegate6642 Před 4 lety +1

    Wishclaw talisman is great if you tutor up ashiok, dream render.

  • @philipbaum4357
    @philipbaum4357 Před 4 lety

    Nephalia Smuggler can blink Flickerwisp which can flicker Fires of invention.....right?

  • @moncala7787
    @moncala7787 Před 4 lety

    Happily Ever After does count instant or sorceries in the grave. So its a bit better

  • @ryanquinn1257
    @ryanquinn1257 Před 4 lety

    On Embercleave you can equip it at instant speed too? I thought you could just flash in the equipment end of turn to help protect it then had to equip at sorcery speed
    Also lore wise the Royal Scion twins are Kenrith's kids they share a planeswaler spark which is why it's a double card. He's returned because he was turned into an elk by Oko who impersonated ppl.

  • @samniemann6890
    @samniemann6890 Před 4 lety

    Thing to note is you also have to the green castle to get the mana so really you're only really netting one extra mana. Still decent though.

  • @user-zp3cb9bg1i
    @user-zp3cb9bg1i Před 4 lety +3

    Unfortunately you can't buy sealed products from card kingdom if you're not in the US. I wish we could, does anyone knows why we can't? And if we can change it?

    • @alecw5432
      @alecw5432 Před 4 lety

      I believe for most countries, it's a customs thing.

    • @user-zp3cb9bg1i
      @user-zp3cb9bg1i Před 4 lety

      @@alecw5432 Check their website, you'll see...

    • @FeastOfFiction
      @FeastOfFiction Před 4 lety

      According to CardKingdom's website: Unfortunately our dealer agreements with Wizards of the Coast prevent us from internationally exporting sealed Magic products, such as booster packs or event decks

  • @Arcdemon44
    @Arcdemon44 Před 4 lety

    Castle Garenbrig and Mana Reflections seems amazing.