M21 Set Review - Part Two | The Command Zone 338 | Magic: The Gathering Commander
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The second half of our M21 set review. We're covering all of the new blue, black, red, multicolored, artifact and land cards from Core 2021 that we think will make the biggest splash in Commander.
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You DON’T NEED an additional card for the “Terror of Peaks + Sekki Seasons’ Guide” combo. The dragon is already lethal with the 8 spirits infinitely coming in 😂.
Yup, scrolled down to say this. Sekki does the 8 damage to itself but the 8 tokens can also ping someone when they come into play. Then sac them to get Sekki back and repeat.
Also came to say this. Sweet combo too.
Just got to that part and was about to say this.
Yes 8 damage to Sekki and 8 spirit etb damage to opponent. Rinse and repeat.
Im glad that other people also noticed this
The Terror-Sekki combo will actually kill because each spirit that comes in off Sekki also has a Terror trigger. So each time you ping Sekki for eight you also ping an opponent for eight.
Wanted to make sure someone else caught that too lol
Was making sure to check this also
good it wasn't just me who caught this error they made
the tokens are causing the terror to trigger as well since they are entering the battlefield and it doesn't say nontoken so its infinite damage
God tier combo
Jep caught that too. Just feeding wood to the flames until all opponents are ash.
I think Jimmy and Josh missed the most relevant part of Ghostly Pilferer: you draw a card when people cast their commander from the command zone. If you expect to get 2 draws out of it from that, I think it is almost worthwhile.
In other words, Ghostly Pilferer is great if you have it in your opening hand. If you don't have it in your opening hand, how are you supposed to predict when your opponent casts their commander? It's a viable card for a weenie deck, but it's nothing special.
Not for blue, 2 mana for a card in blue is at best middling.
First thing I thought too and it was an upside they overlooked and didn't mention. Valid point by Dr. Lemonade that it's great if you have it turn two but loses value later in the game. I'd run it in spirit tribal or in something that wants to discard so you can ditch it later in the game.
@@dr.lemonade242 maybe because commanders get removed and recast? Mid game with open mana to sink into an unblockable that will draw you a card? It's good and I am certain it will see cEDH play while casuals gloss over it kinda like Dockside Extortionist did until it picked up steam.
@@jlbrooks74 Yeah I think its definitely at least fringe cEDH playable. The meta is kind of dominated by Consultation-Oracle decks and it doesn't do much against those, particularly Thasios shells. But it does great against a variety of combos and commanders which are currently played in cEDH; Food Chain combo, any Underworld Breach or Yawg Will decks, Urza decks, Elsha, Jeleva, Golos. Emry, Kess, Uro, any Escape or Flashback or similar.
If those things are in your meta Ghostly Pilferer is pretty decent, a lot of combos cast spells repeatedly from outside of your hand generating infinite mana or drawing cards, with this you can make them do the loop one at a time and draw an answer to disrupt their combo.
In casual the card probably won't be as good but in a cEDH setting could be quite powerful and cause quite a few headaches depending on your meta.
Dont really like to critique but you guys really missed the mark on assessing Ghostly Pilferer. It reads whenever a player cast's their commander you draw a card + a bunch of other ways to draw off it. It also hits so many other popular commanders rn and is super good against a meta with partners. Also acts as a free discard outlet which can matter a lot...
Yeah I was surprised they only considered the graveyard with it's effect
@@RobertPompaGaming Yeah, as was I.
It's even potentially cedh playable
Good with Otrimi.
Totally. It also triggers off of things that let you cast
- from exile (such as cascade, impulsive draw, suspend, Isochron Scepter, Possibility Storm, rebound, Thada Adel, and every Food Chain deck).
- from a hand that isn't yours (e.g., Sen Triplets, Reversal of Fortune)
- from the top of your library (e.g., Rashmi, Yennett)
I'll be putting this card in just about every blue deck I own.
Josh: if your watching the video you can see just how many red cards are in front of us. Me: that’s a very nice orange banner you got there
@@JacobSmith-rh2sr hes saying the banner blocks the view
That's a nice orange banner you have, would be a shame if the subtitles would ALSO COVER IT.
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For Sublime Epiphany, the second ruling on Gatherer states: "If any of the targets become illegal, the remaining targets are affected as appropriate."
So it won't completely fizzle... that's pretty nice!
truth! how they ganna spread false info smh
In general, if a spell has targets, it will resolve as long as it has at least one legal target at resolution. (Rule 608.2b.) It doesn't matter if the targets are for the same mode or not.
If only some of the modes have targets (not the case of Sublime Epiphany), if you choose modes with targets, as long as one of them still has a valid target, the spell resolves; if the spell as a whole has no valid targets, it won't resolve, and even untargetted parts of the spell won't happen. (For instance, Inscription of Insight has a mode that says "Scry 2, then draw two cards". The other two modes are targetted. If you choose all three modes, and one of the targetted modes has no legal targets, the other two still happen. If both modes have no legal targets, the spell doesn't resolve and you don't get to scry and draw.)
Fiery Emancipation + Infect. Someone's going to love this...
R/B Infect spiciness...?
Came here to say this as well
"...because last time ended up being 90 minutes. My Lord!"
*looks at video duration*
*smirks*
A few things I immediately thought of with a couple cards
See the Truth: Using Melek, Izzet Paragon. Plus, you’ll copy it.
Chandra’s Incinerator: It’s basically a Satyr Firedancer
Hooded Blightfang: Pretty good in a Hapatra deck. Hella snakes
Experimental Overload: Mixzix of the Izmagnus. I always find I have like 20 instant/sorcery in my graveyard and it’ll only cost UR plus getting a spell back
I love how the discussion of a distaste for clutter in the first ad leads to a second ad for a box of random stuff. lol.
One thing you didn't mention with terror of the peaks is that IT deals the damage when creatures enter so if you can give it deathtouch, lifelink, INFECT, etc... It gets much better
No the Sekki Combo works on its own, the spirits entering the battlefield trigger Terror of the Peaks too, it doesnt say "non-token"
Ghostly Pilferer’s art has the grim tutor art in it on the left side. What a 2 for 1!!!!
9:47 for anyone interested
I recently built a Sisay, Weatherlight Captain Shrines deck that is going to run Chromatic Orrery, and it seems pretty good there, since it is basically free to tutor for once Sisay hits 8 power, but I agree that it basically isn't great outside that deck most of the time
For the Blue „not from your Hand“ interactions: Kefnet and Elsha really seem good.
Pre-ordered Hooded Blightfang for my Hapatra deck
Ghostly pilferer is going straight into my Lazav the Multifarious deck! Seems like a great body to transform into at instant speed, plus it has the added benefit of letting you pitch into the graveyard and make Lazav unblockable, which are two effects that you really want in that deck.
Traitorous Greed is also 4 mana ramp, you can untap with 7 your next turn which isn't horrible in red
It creates mana not treasure tokens
This is going to be my first pre-release with friends! I only started playing around November before this whole quarantine. I cannot wait to pull an Azusa!
I have been testing the Chomatic Orrery in a Golos deck, and it is producing a whole lot of good results with his activated ability. Then again, I did throw nearly every Ultimatum in it.
Experimental Overload in a Gavi deck is pretty good. Cycling decks can have a bunch of all types of cards in the GY.
16:22 "See the Truth" goes very well with Taigam and Rebound ❤️
I like it with kess.
and God-Eternal Kefnet!
I saw Sublime Epithany and i had to think of "A trip to the moon" from Georges Méliès (1902). If you have never seen it, watch it, it is amazing and weird and the card would fit right in.
Hey Josh & Jimmy. You’re looking at Transmogrify totally wrong - this is another copy of Polymorph. You kinda touched on the right idea when you mentioned flipping an Ulamog. This card is very powerful, but only in a deck that can take advantage of it - something with tokens, and huge haymakers to flip them into.
Yes, you have to resolve the entirety of the spell, so no Terror triggers before Ezuri's Predation's beasts fight other creatures.
Traitorous Greed seems quite good in a Zada, Hedron Grinder deck. Target your own stuff to give your whole team haste and generate a whole bunch of mana.
Ah, another card to add to my collection of "Cards that would win me the game if I had enough mana to Radiate it"
I thought the same thing for my ink treader deck, though I'd also gain control of every creature on the field
I walked into my mom's house yesterday, to her singing this song. Y'all are on the same wave. lol
Just a heads up, Sublime Epiphany won't fizzle unless ALL targets chosen, even in other modes, are no longer valid as it responds, so even if your opponent bounces their creature in response, for instance, you would still have a valid target in choosing yourself for the draw
Josh wants a 1 mana threaten effect: In Greven Decks Tentative Connection from Ikoria is exactly that. I took my Greven deck apart after it didn't perform the way i wanted. After Tentative Connection came out I rebuild Greven and put in all 3 mana or less threaten effects. Now the turn after i play greven i can play a creature and a threaten effect to remove a blocker and (most of the time sacc it to greven). Fun and powerfull
Did you all forget that ghostly pilferer triggers when anyone casts their Commander?
Important tidbit about Ghostly Pilferer - it draws you a card off of commander's being cast from the command zone, as well. Doesn't make it busted but it certainly could be worse.
Also Sublime Epiphany and Lutri don't work - Lutri only triggers if it was cast.
Also, Justice for Lutri. Unban except as companion!
But with Naru Meha....
@@gustavomartinsdesouza5548 Yes, it works with Naru Meha! Just mentioned it bc I made the same reading mistake when I first read about Lutri. It only combos with Leadership Vacuum, afaik.
Traitorous Greed was an auto include in my Tymret, The Murder King theft deck.
I love ghostly pilferer for my Lazav deck.
"Watch, as I turn myself into this elusive spirit!"
[pulls out gun]
I like See the Truth with Bolas’ Citadel also. Maybe more for standard but seems like it could be solid
I think transmogify it's pretty strong if You hit your own things in an almost creatureless deck like a spelslinger deck with young pyromancer hit a token and u get another token generator or a purphoros or a Big creature hiting your commander and wining or a combo deck u can make sure to hit the right thing always
I'll be windmill slamming Radha, Heart of Keld in my Windgrace deck for sure. I've been thinking about making a Feldon of the Third Path dragon tribal deck, so Terror of the Peaks will be great in that deck.
Liliana's standard Bearer found a place in my Teysa Karlov deck. sac a bunch of tokens then flash in standard bearer
Traitorous Greed is really good if you are in Mono Red or a 2 color build if you want to steal a creature and use it's activated ability that has a color your deck isn't running.
The Traitorous Greed is so good and its surprising Josh didn't mention Grevin! You can steal any creature threat on the board and sac it to your commander!
Top it off, two mana of ANY color. You can steal something with an activated ability outside of red, activate it, AND THEN sack it.
Archetype of finality works well with hooded blightfang if you want deathtouch tribal.
I'm pretty sure the concern about sublime Epiphany getting fizzled is not actually an issue because every ability has its own target. When a spell with multiple targets has one target become illegal it still resolves everything that it still can
Double Vision is pretty sweet. I love how they say its overcosted because this is one of the cheapest versions of this effect we've had. Kalamax loves this and does it for 4 sure, but everything else that is like this, Thousand Year Storm or Hive Intelligence cost 6+ And this one only hits the first spell you cast...
As a player who loves Pyromancer's Ascension I'm looking forward to this one, Bonus Round finally has a friend! Auto-include in Kalamax for sure!
The flavor text on Teferi’s Ageless Insight is so fitting. Chandra (red) telling Teferi (blue) to not be a show-off (CARD DRAW).
With Sekki and Terror of the Peaks the spirits also trigger Terror; so you use the damage from Sekki to hit Sekki and make spirits, and the damage from the 8 spirits goes upstairs to your opponents' faces. Then you sack your spirits and do it again, no other cards needed!
I think of Sublime Epiphany as Supplant Form that can also counter a spell and draw a card sometimes
Come on Jimmy, everybody knows Future War Cult are the blue mages of Destiny.
3:40 its not that I don't like the singing and such but I watch these on my lunch break so I don't have time to durdle.
Underrated comment
Love the new closing of episode animation :P
I run ibb half heart tactician as my general with a chaos sub theme highly recommended it
So many good cards this Core Set. Most excited for Sublime Epiphany, but Discontinuity, Brash Taunter, and a bunch of others have so much potential it's gonna be one of the best core sets I've probably ever seen for Commander.
I had a pretty decent Deathtouch Tribal deck in Abzan and would recommend those colors. I used Tymna and Ikra Shidiqi as commanders. White gives you access to some great first strike and vigilance effects and offers the good orzhov removal for indestructable creatures. Swinging a board of deattouchers with a loyal unicorn out was nasty. Odric, Master Tactician also ensured maximum lethality, especially coupled with Knighthood.
I also did play Hornet's Nest because it was funny - but honestly it's not great. More creatures have trample than you'd expect.
link to the list?
@@danacoleman4007 Here you go. Note that this was my starting list, so it changed and it's old. There's a lot of ways to upgrade this, now especially. - deckstats.net/decks/106941/1275534-abzan-deathtouch
@@jalbor thanks!!!
I think we’re overlooking a fiery emancipation/brash taunter combo... you lightning bolt brash taunter dealing 9 damage instead of 3 and the brash taunter deal 27 damage to an opponent...
Nah, Star of Extinction Everything and deal 60 damage to brash taunter and deal 180 damage to an opponent...
Traitorous Greed is good because you can choose to steal something with an activated ability that used to use a colour you don't control, but now getting the mana back makes it useful.
I’m surprised you guys didn’t bring up village rites. Altar’s Reap and Costly Plunder both got completely one upped by a common.
So if you cast the end the turn card during your main phase with nothing on the stack. Do the end of turns effects still work?
28:20 How is drawing with TAI not suicidal if you can't end the turn or clear the stack? Do replacers not get triggered by their own replacements?
I just pulled a foil showcase Grim Tutor from a few of the collectors packs that I just bought I’m so hype to play commander I just wish COVID would go away
Favorite cards out of M21: Jolrael, Subira and Sanctum of All. Don't know what to build around first.
Awesome vids! Congrats Josh, Jimmy and team
Terror of the Peaks works Sekki sense when the 1/1 comes in it deals damage to anything. So 8 damage to sekki get 8 more triggers than sack the tokens to bring back sekki and repeat
I also think sparkhunter will be a big standard thing as a counter for all the crazy planeswalkers in standard. Outside of that I don't know
With Terror of the Peaks and Sekki, it is infinite by itself because the tokens entering trigger Terror of the Peaks, meaning you have eight damage to point at your opponents , and Sekki entering can be killed and give you the tokens by Terror of the Peaks
I can't wait to play Chandra's incinerator in my syr Cars deck, she is such an underrated commander.
i could see a sparkhunter masticore in muldrotha superfriends to finish them off. and obviously the discard is also good
When i saw Hooded Blightfang the first card that pops to my mind is Hapatra, vizier of poisons
With that many episodes of the Command Zone you are gettinh actually good at singing
Brash taunter+Loxodon Warhammer. Block one (deal damage and heal 4hp)receive damage on taunter and send it to attacking player for that much damage AND some lifegain, then tap to fight the biggest threat on the table to get another 4hp from the creature and deal damage to anyone you want equal to the damage dealt to Brash taunter (wich will trigger some more lifegain). Really looking foward to try this fun little dude. Of course I'm gonna put Fiery Emancipation in the same deck. I doubt these cards will see a lot of field time together very often, but when they do... :)
nice!
What is Brash Taunter's, interaction with trample? Normally you only need to assign enough damage to kill the creature (equal to its toughness,) but it has indestructible so... what happens?
I wonder why thinking about transmogrify noonw thought about polymorph, it's not only a removal, wich chaos warp is, but it can be a tool of your own to cheat something in play, something red doesn't do much often
Sparkhunter Masticore does not have the Masticore text! It used to be on upkeep. On cast is much better. It actually could be decent for a deck that wants it's traits.
Unleash fury is insane for feather decks. Double the power plus double strike.
Aren‘t you milling yourself if you have archive+ ageless insights? Since basically once you draw your second card(or first on enemy turn) both trigger one trigger resolves, triggering the other archive looping into infinite draws killing yourself?
Wait i don't get the "counterspell" holding on the stack in that Sublime Epiphany's infinite combo. If the counterspell was on the bottom of the stack, will it justt fizzle or can you do smt with it as the resovles?
I believe with the multiple choice modal cards it will resolve as many effects as possible, and if any fizzle it won't cancel the others. But I am not a judge so I may be wrong.
See the Truth in a Vadrok, Apex of Thunder mutate deck is also really sweet since it doesnt exile
Currently watching and so far I've gotten to Brash Taunter, and I know it's just one card, but Basilisk Collar seems pretty good with it.
It says that it deals the damage to the opponents so you gain the life and you can kill the creatures you fight.
Yall have got to start considering colorless decks. Chromatic orrery and Mazemind tome are awesome for kozilek
Jeleva is one hell of a commander. The good old days
My favorite :)
Oh wow. Blue did well, how shocking for WotC R&D
Not as much as they overstate it though. Its the third strongest color in their own assessment. Not very overpowered then, is it?
I am building a five color dragon commander deck and that dragon is definitely going in along with a few others
But with saki and terror of the peaks the tokens also cause terror to trigger. When saki enters he kills himself and the tokens enter and target opponents for and infinite burn combo. I run sekki and war storm surge in my gruul deck
Fighting my own creatures in a Xenagos deck was the first thing I thought of with Brash Taunter.
Maybe talk to Craig and see how Brash Taunter works once he has infect?
25:50 for the spell to fizzle, don't ALL the targets have to be non-valid? Otherwise it will just try to do all the targets it can. So as long as you have a target player, it should keep going. Although at some point you would have to start targeting your other Dualcaster clones with the bounce effect if you kept cloning it after clearing the board...
I’m excited to put Fiery Emancipation into my Obosh Deck. Taking the double the damage ability and then multiply that to three times is going to make your pingers to a bigger threat. Even things like Black Vise and The Rack are going to be lethal across the board.
i tend to use Nacatl War-Pride with cards that end the turn, so many sweet sweet tokens..
Transmorgify would be good with the new purphoros bronze blooded. Just before you have to sac the creature you can replace it with something just as good .
I can't believe they didn't mention Zada with Traitorous Greed! She turns it into "add 2 mana for each creature you control. Creatures you control gain haste until end of turn"
Even in somewhat non-goblin decks, Conspicuous Snoop can be a wincon piece, at least for Kiki-Jiki based kills. I can see it being a piece for competitive decks, and it is pretty damn good as something in a doomsday pile.
My favorite thing is to copy sublime epiphany with Kalamax, so much fun
Can you cast See the Truth multiple times with Underworld Breach? After you cast it once, doesn't it become a new instance of the card, which was put into the graveyard after Underworld Breach came into play? Or does Underworld Breach's effect continue through the whole turn, even things that entered after it came into play?
Double visions doesn't help you win by infinitely copying a copy spell on your turn. Double Visions copies the first one and you can't cast a copy unless you cast a spell before it for the copy spell to copy. So unless they drop the copy spell on someone else's turn which requires your opponents to play an instant or sorcery.
I think Sekki and Terror of the Peaks are a two card combo that kills the table, right?
Sekki ETB's, trigger TotP
Target Sekki, deal 8, make 8 Spirits, trigger TotP 8 times
8 Spirits ETB w/ the ability to deal 1 damage each to any target (face)
Sac 8 Spirits to return Sekki, rinse and repeat
47:00 (ish) Question on Fiery Emancipation: How is damage calculated if you have Torbran on the battle field, too? Is it (x*3)+2 or (x+2)*3?
The played who is being affected by the damage (it's hitting either them or one of their permanents) gets to decide how to stack the replacement effect.
Awesome end animations!!!!
Jimmy's Jokes make me love him even more 💙. Loves the report card one lmaooo. 💙
The orrary is good in all big mana decks it is easy to get like hundreds of colorless mana but allmost all win cons are colored mana.
My favorite card from this set is probably Elder Gargoroth, or the Taunter. Gargoroth is just a powerhouse, literally 9 mana worth of keywords, and 4 added on abilities. Bonkers.
Not many people know this card, but Goblin Electromancer? Like SO good in instant and sorcery benfit decks.
Also for Mazemind Tome, can't you just use Solemnity? A scry every turn is nice.
Terror does go infinite with that 8/8 spirit because all the 1/1 also trigger it
Ghostly pilferer goes in the “Brallin Skyshark Rider/ Shabraz, the Skyshark” deck.
The best card in Black in M21 is Village Rites. Only one black mana and can draw up to 3 cards on my Korvold deck
Interestingly, Ghostly Pilferer is an absolute house in Oathbreaker. Two-cost, unblockable (for planeswalker damage), draw-a-card trigger from signature spells... So tasty.