Ed Davey must resign over the Post Office scandal | How to Win an Election
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- “I think he could do something much more useful than being leader of the Liberal Democrats.”
Danny Finkelstein calls on Ed Davey to resign as leader of the Lib Dems over the Post Office scandal.
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Fujitsu and the post office have known about this problem from day 1, plus all governments since 2003.
All must be held accountable
No not all governments since 2003.
Which one wasn't a bunch of lying charlatans @@Lynnefromlyn
They didn't. The issues are as much associated with the behaviour of the privatised Post Office. Also, why has Sunak recently gifted Fujitsu a £3.6bn contract for IT? The far right are doing their best to blame share. The fact is that Davey was wrong, as were the following 15 tory Ministers of the PO and Cameron who was PM at the time. To single out one Minister is absurd. Also, why did it take a drama on ITVX to make the government to take action?
You were making some kind of sense then you ruined it with the " far right " comment - who are they these far righters are they the same as Nazis ?@@binkyboobosh1
@binkyboobosh1 yes they did , read computer weeklys story 2009 and follow Richard Brookes in the Eye.
Ed Dave’s was the minister in charge who was responsible so should definitely resign .
What about the other 16 post office ministers that were in post since 1995? Why is Davey being treated differently to the others?
This has been going on for 20 years with 14 other ministers and Ed Davey was the first to meet Alan Bates despite him writing to all
Jail time all-round for those responsible for Post Office Scandal.
Yup.we wish
So a Conservative thinks a Lib Dem should put himself forward as a sacrificial lamb. How predictable
Ed Davey should be in jail for criminal incompetence. His knighthood should be cancelled. He didn't deserve it in the first place.
This started under a labour government and Davey is a Lib Dem.
All of the parties knew Bliar, Brown, Cameron/Clegg, Cameron, May, Johnson, Sunak.
Sll of them are like faces on a town hall clock all the same, All establishment, They treat us with contempt.
All responsible should be held to account along with post office management and not forgetting Fujitsu who have known about this problem from day one.
@@JupiterThunder pathetically partisan. Are the lib Dems also responsible for failing to do anything about it for the last eight years of Tory misrule ?
Mandelsom is a total hypocrit. A disgusting manipulator
Ed davey has no shoulders or backbone
Mandelson has kept his initial involvement in the problem very quite. Who was it that gave Blair an assurance that Horizon was the right tool for the post office, yes Mr Mandelson.
So it was missold to mandelson too? The point is that while knowing about the Horizon issues for fully FOURTEEN years the Tories have done absolutely nothing about this awful injustice in all that time!
@@ColinBarrett001wasn’t Andrew Bridgen, a Tory at the time, one of those that helped expose the scandal by coming to the aid of his constituents?
Oh dear, trying to shift the blame onto someone right at the beginning of the contract for all the criminality which came later under the tories? How deplorable.
@@God_help_usno.
I would like to think the Post Office will pay back all the money they stole from postmasters immediately, with full interest from the day they stole it.
Then the costs will be passed onto the public again. So no. There is legislation in place to ensure that those at the very top can be persecuted both in civil and criminal court and a forced to repay the movie's to the victims or the families where the victims are dead, and that those responsible at the top are sentenced to long terms in prisons. "Duty of Care".
How about Michael Keegan , husband of our education Secretary, who was CEO at Fujitsu during the debacle, resigned in 2018 to a cushy job with the government, and Simon Blagden also CEO now given a cushy number advising the NHS on where to spend its money - notably on £10 million contract with Fujitsu ! There are many more far culpable .
Mandelson should be answering questions, for his part in this travesty of justice. No giving us his worthless opinion.
Responsibility and accountability mean nothing to Mr Davey.
But he wants us to respect and vote for him?
WOW THATS RICH.
Please, just resign.
Dogy Dave was the Prime Minister , he is the man responsible!. Time for him to resign and hand back his knighthood
So let's get this correct, y'all only want responsibility and accountability for the one former Post Office minister who isn't a Tory? Gtfoh
In eds words I'm calling for him to resign
Time for Dodgy Davey to go and Post himself somewhere else
Ed Davey probably shouldn't resign over this -- but he should definitely resign.
@benwilson6145
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Dogy Dave was the Prime Minister , he is the man responsible!. Time for him to resign and hand back his knighthood
If Ed Davey goes then every minister (Tory and Labour) who was responsible should go as well. Are you, Times Radio calling for them to go as well? Most of the media - including this channel - need to take a good long hard look at themselves. This scandal has been known about for a long time - thanks to Private Eye and latterly an excellent series on BBC Radio 4, yet it takes a play on ITV to make the media sit up and take notice.
Well Ed Davey has to go given that he was directly approached and couldn’t be bothered to do anything. And then I absolutely agree with your next point but would expand it to include Fujitsu, the Post Office management (all of them not just 1 CEO) and the countless civil servants who covered this up for like 20 years as well as the hopeless managers in the CPS who never questioned why 800-ish post office managers were being prosecuted suddenly when prior to Horizon the levels of fraud/ prosecution were presumably a small fraction of this number. The latter has to include Keir Starmer - he was the boss he was there for 5 years and he had the big picture responsibility!
The issue with Davey is he calls for resignations at the drop of a hat! As for Mandleson he should disappear and never heard of again
Why mr dunkycraig,5 people have agreed with you.educate me sir
The King needs to do something. The post office has his face on.
Does anyone else realise this? Enacting legislation will sweep it under the carpet fast with minimum so called compensation? A retired Head of the Criminal Cases Review Commission was on TV today stating that legislation should only be enacted when all other avenues have been exhausted. They haven't been, even though it would have only taken months (instead of the years so far) for the commission and Court of Appeal to overturn the convictions. It could have been done long ago. No doubt they could also award a much higher level of compensation to surviving victims. As well as properly investigate the roles and liability arising from the legal Duty of Care of those at the very top as well as others.
The UK CEO of Fujitsu, the CEO of the Post Office and the Minister in charge of this area (Ed Davey) should all face criminal prosecution
What about the 16 Post Office ministers in the period of time?
Ed Davey knew what his deplorable role was in this Post Office scandal long ago, yet still has the temerity to blame everybody else while keping quiet and hoping it would all go away. He should resign because if he can't fix things directly in his charge why should we think he can take charge of the country?
Knew what exactly
The PO repeatedly said nothing to see
Ministers aren't investigative reporters
He should also hand back his knighthood or have it taken away from him.
Only if every politician who has been in charge of the post office in the relevant time frame does.
Exactly. This is Currygate stuff.
For the westminster bubble to describe Wes Streeting as charismatic is comedy gold
Questions need to be asked: how many cases was Davey aware of? If there were hundreds in a year, this would suggest a problem with the system. If it was up to a hundred, it could be that a new system had picked up cases of fraud that had previously been hidden in an outdated paper system. In hindsight, he should have pushed for a police investigation to find the money allegedly stolen.
Dogy Dave was the Prime Minister , he is the man responsible!. Time for him to resign and hand back his knighthood
Probably it would have been sensible for him to ask the CPS to step in, the more cases he became aware of.
Good point@@peterbalchin9077
Vince cqble and david cameron too
Yes he should resign, but so should all those other Politicians from Labour and Tory ranks as well be prosecuted for dereliction of duty whilst being paid BY US THE TAXPAYERS.
I DEMAND JUSTICE...& so should all of you out there too.
Why just Davey? Others were responsible and still did nothing, although most were Tory.
This has been going on for 20 years with 14 other ministers and Ed Davey was the first to meet Alan Bates despite him writing to all
Yes he must resign.
Why?
Because thee Tories will get shelackeed in the blue wall?
Don't ask, demand the return of any honours given.!
So how many workers contracted their own local MP's to no avail? If any did, who were those MP's?
Fujitsu are very silent, doubt if they will say much as they will hide behind confidentiality laws.
Ed Davey should take note of the things he's said in the past and do the same himself and resign!
The guy can't even bring himself to apologise he prefers to keep digging his hole!
Please consider that Ed Davey is not culpable in the post office scandal. What he is culpable of is letting down a constituent that needed his help. Sometimes as a politician it's hard to know which issues need the most attention. Should he resign for that? In my opinion no, but I don't think he should be re-elected either. I see it as a failure in judgment on his part and so failed to do his job competently as an MP.
Quite a huge gaffe by the female guest, Polly I think her name is, saying Thatcher was going into her second election in 1986 when she set out her way forward at conference. As it was pointed out, it was her third election. Rather than admit she was ignorant and wrong, she thought Lord Peter Mandelson said 1980. Well that was only a year after Thatcher was elected, so not near going into an election then. Then says some nonsense about not being born then so somehow that excuses her ignorance. The job clearly requires knowing about things before one was born, especially when it comes to Thatcher, one of the defining figures of our age. Why not admit next time you're wrong and need to read up more, instead of saying you misheard and then making ageist remarks to senior political figures. Misheard, thought he said 1980? She was sitting right next to him. Perhaps a hearing test is in order and some book reading
Totally agree he must resign
Bloody politicians
The Corruptocracy will always win. It was the innocent that went to prison and not any individual from the Corruptocracy.
No. Investigation
Victims only get 75k and can’t sue
Grifters like Ed davey don't resign your having a laug 😂😂
For Ed to resign over this, there would need to be ex heads of the Post office to go to prison, for Fujitsu to pay compensation and that a whole bunch of Tories would also have to go given they were also in charge at the same time to happen as well - otherwise it's just the tories trying desperately to deflect on anyone else who might be responsible other than the people who have been in charge for the last 13 years.
Nah leave him in post and everytime he or any Liberal candidate talks ahead of the election , raise the issue
he is not worried about the party, just thinking of himself. resign now or the party will lose big time.
Jail
I agree Davey should go!
Ed Davey must go........
Dodgy Dave was the Prime Minister , he is the man responsible!. Time for him to resign and hand back his knighthood
Look he will not resign so just vote him out as a constituency MP.
Turned it off the minute I saw Mandelson. I’m not listening to anything he has to say ffs.
There does indeed need to be a fundamental change - the tories need to be summarily kicked out of office.
Jail him !
Plenty of far right 'commentators' trying to blame share. What about the 15 tory Ministers for the PO? Why has Cameron not been asked to resign? He was PM. Why has Sunak not been asked to explain why he's recently awarded Fujitsu a £3.6bn IT contract? This is a tory mess....
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Gotta love delusional tories, hours of entertainment
If SUNAK stopped every Boat & sent all those already here Back He would WIN Hands down
Ed Davey did meet Alan Bates (though he previously had turned down meeting him), did any other ministers (Conservative or Labour) meet Alan Bates?
Seems like the LibDems held that brief when the scandal broke - and your point is that Ed Davey met him and did nothing so that is fine?
@@Nick-tc9js The scandal well predates Ed Davey's time, victims of the scandal were being imprisoned about eight years previously. Certainly, Davey and all the other people, Labour and Conservative should be open about what did happen, what they were told and what questions they asked.
Apparently Davey did say that he could not interfere in the judicial process, so I wonder to what extent you are OK with ministers interfering with the judiciary.
We have heard from multiple victims that the Post Office lied to them and even lied in court. We need to know whether the PO lied to ministers or did ministers lazily assume that the PO must be blameless. The ministers, including Davey need to clearly say what they were told, from whom, when and in what circumstances.
Davey has started to speak out (which is why I believe he is being attacked), but he and others need to be more explicit.
'If I was going to do it...' is very strange use of English. If Danny harks back to his school days he might remember that 'was' is the past tense. For a hypothesis it would be much more elegant to use the subjunctive. That's what its for: 'were I to do it...'.
Labour were in government for 6-7 years after it became known, Lib Dems for 5 and the Conservatives for 14 (double counting the coalition years), so hardly a one party failure. Ed Davey gets most of the blame because he's the only person in that job who is still/yet prominent in politics.
Nobody seems to mention the fact that those parties were all in opposition at various points in the last 20 years and also didn't raise the issue when there was a big stick to hit the government of the time with, which you would expect the opposition to be eager to do.
Vote reform at the election 🎉
I stopped watching once Mr Mandelson appeared
I can’t watch…do they ask him about his dead acquaintances?
@marcusandrews
This Horizon story is like the script of a 1950's Hollywood Mafia film. The rot goes from top to bottom of the power brokers in Britain today, political, legal and commercial.
Peter looks like a Bond villain 😳
Allison Pearson on the Planet Normal Podcast:
‘This really is the kicker, because Ed Davy when he left government was hired as a political consultant by the top law firm Herbert Smith Freehills which was acting for guess who, the Post Office. The Post Office, and that's State money, that £275 grand is State money. He was paid £833 per hour amassing a grand total of £275,000 using the knowledge about the Post Office that he had gleaned during his time as a minister to USE AGAINST THE ORDINARY MEN AND WOMEN whose representative he had chosen not to meet. I must say I don't think the reality of that pay out, from the law firm to the leader of the Liberal Democrats, has properly landed in the public consciousness yet and I think, as and when it does, his position, and I don't say this lightly, will actually probably become very precarious maybe even untenable’.
So let's get this correct, y'all only want accountability for the one former Post Office minister who isn't a Tory? Gtfoh
100%
2024 is going to be a interesting year..
Well,I’m not voting for him.
I’ll bet he won’t.
Shock horror, there's no Tories responsible, despite being in power for 13 years.
An election cannot come soon enough.
Didn't george Osborne sell the post office off?
No, that was Vince Cable on the cheap to his City Slicker chums
What about Sunak resigning over his conflicts of interest. There needs to be a drama made about that.
Tories famously resign when they ought to, of course, Danny
And don't blame Fujitsu or their developers: ALL software has bugs. The Post Office and the Goverments trying to sell them off decided that they wanted prosecute innocent people rather than demand it be fixed.
I read that Fujitsu warned them the system wouldn't work properly if there were more than one to a terminal.
There is an ongoing inquiry into the Horizon Post Office scandal. Instead of scapegoating individual politicians like Sir Ed Davey, we should wait for the outcome of that inquiry.
The priority - which we should all be focusing on - is a blanket legal amnesty for all those subpostmasters convicted on the basis of flawed Horizon and fast tracking their compensation
He still blames Labour, yet, the Tories have been in power for 13 years oO
So it’s all Ed Daveys fault i thought this was the times not the mail
Standards…I mean they have Mandy on 😂😂
Hopefully the new LibDem leader won't be such a coward about Brexit, and will tell the truth and support rejoining.
There's a genuine issue with the European union on this issue
A Romanian Beggar outside every supermarket in London thanks to free movement from the European Unio😂😂
@@silondon9010Have you talked to them all?
he is finished along with his party whatever its called ( never see them )
Davey should be in court and then prison.
Dodgy Dave was the Prime Minister , he is the man responsible!. Time for him to resign and hand back his knighthood
@@benwilson6145 time for them all to be in the dock facing jail time.
Davey looks like a simpledon in that photo not very flattering.
Ed Dave, Keir Starmer and Conservative MP'S all did Nothing to help the Sub Postmasters, they should all be hauled into Court to Answer, they and Fujitsu should all fund the Compensation Fund and Not the Taxpayer, It is Absolutely Grossly Disgracefull