UK heading for ‘disastrous election campaign' fears Peter Mandelson
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- čas přidán 8. 04. 2024
- “I rather fear for the election campaign we’re looking forward to now.”
The UK is set for a “disastrous" general election campaign, warns Peter Mandelson. Daniel Finkelstein offers some advice to Rishi Sunak and Keir Starmer, and Polly Mackenzie looks at the impact of TV debates.
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Not for the UK... only for the Tories
Wrong.
You’ve got no idea.
Britain is bankrupt.
exactly - what a tory shill he is
@@XeNeXX There is nothing from the alternative which shows they have anything to offer. I've been here a long time and every time I've seen a labour government (I even voted for Blair in my stupidity and naivety) I've seen Britain nosedive into bankruptcy, stagnation and disorder..
Tories, for sure, are the lesser of the two evils.
We are guaranteed two things. 1, the tories are going to lose and Labour win and nothing is going to change that at this point; 2, the tory campaign is going to be deceitful, divisive, and inciting hatred.
Allahu Akbar?
I see alot changing.
It is the left which incites hatred. Hatred of our own population and history.
A lot changed last time Labour was in power. People just focus on the bad. What good has happened since the Tories won power?
Agreed, but not as silly of the weather forcaster, Rainer (or Rayner)
Trying to find dirt to smear your opponents with is completely normal and expected. But I think it's really telling when the best the Tories can come up with is "Angela Rayner once sold a house" and "When Keir Starmer was a lawyer, he took cases"
Could just bring up the case of two married Tory MPs who got their mortgage paid for a property in central london on expenses, started renting it out, and then got another mortgage for another property in central london, which they used for when being in london, claimed through expenses as well!
@@ecaeas4439 that’s Ester McVile and her husband.
@@ecaeas4439 Tony Blair did that too.
@@stevenm5082 No doubt MPs of all colours do it, but any party in particular bringing it up as a political attack as if members of their parties don't do it as well, shouldn't expect the party opposite not to bring up identical cases.
@@stevenm5082 When was Cherie Blair a Labour MP?
Politicians used to have ideas, on the left and right. They had intellects. Margaret Thatcher with an Oxford degree in chemical engineering, Michael Foot with a 900 page biography of Nye Bevan. Now they are administrators, no more. Ask either leader about the huge challenges facing us with the confluence of AGI and synthetic biology and they will just lamely point to an opinion poll.
Yep. The people with ideas have been shoved to the margins and shout at each other over an inert mass in the middle
They used to have morals.
@@dennisgreenidge738 Don't have rose-tinted views of the political past.
Just read up on Ernest Marples, Reggie Maudling, John Stonehouse and the cesspits of corruption in local government (S.Wales, the North-East) in the 1950s-70s for a more balanced view.
Thatcher is the one who started the UK on it's decline.
2019 was the disaster
2010
No 2010 was the disaster.
23rd June 2016 was the disaster.
Mandy should keep his views to himself, particularly with a lightweight like Matt. Who cares what he thinks, and frankly should Starmer
Election now!
The Tories are a busted flush, but the real story is that Labour is preparing to manage the economy in the same way as the Tories, with a small dab at raising taxes on the NON-Dom issue and a bit of money for their hugely scaled back green agenda. Labour are still going to adhere to the neo-con free market approach to the management of the economy. Utterly depressing. Where are the Labour Party politicians of vision who recognise the scale of the problem and will move mountains to change things. well, nowhere to be precise.
I find it amazing that Labour are just Tory-light and still people want them to be the next government. If they were only a true alternative….
Keep crawling on your belly to your billionaire god-kings. You may get to lick up some of the crumbs they brush off their table.
There's always Farrago...sort of "Trump-lite"
Spin, smile, shake some hands,
Promises fly like feathers,
Votes fall like raindrops
Impartial bystander?? Did he retire after he was done sabotaging Corbyn?
Corbyn didn't need anyone to sabotage him, he did that by himself
And now Corbyn is trying to sabotage the Labor campaign on behalf of his fascist paymaster Putin.
Corbyn needed no help, as he is a master of self-sabotage.
He should be in prison
Fascinating listening to a man admit so plainly how he cynically mouthed his purely partisan-fueled "review" of the debate strictly for PR purposes. Not shocking, but surprisingly candid. I suppose there's a statute of limitations on all this stuff, after some time nobody minds coming out and saying, "Oh yeah, I said whatever it took to make my guy look best and reality was utterly beside the point. That's how you fight the campaign. Winning is everything, you never for a moment worry about saying anything real."
Many years ago I lived in one location but always gave a girlfriend's address as my home address. Why? Because one location was temporary for an undefined amount of time and I did not want the hassle of changing my address, my tax affairs, my bank, my electoral role, my solicitor, and all the other organisations I dealt with. My temporary residency was likely to end with a few days notice, possibly while I was out of the country. It was all a matter of ease and convenience.
Peter Mandleson - what a paragon of virtue. The chattering classes are crawling out of the shadows to patronise and obfuscate.
'Impartial adviser', Ex-political strategist, who is the Prince of darkness kidding. Peter Mandelson, isn't sitting in the front row of every Keir Starmer keynote speech because he has retired from frontline politics. Everyone knows Keir Starmer has, Peter Mandelson, Alastair Campbell, & Tony Blair on Speed-dial...🤫🙄
Mandelson would know, as he's the architect of the disaster that Starmer will be. Meet the new boss....
You've forgotten about the 2019 disaster, presided over by St. Jeremy
@FranzBieberkopf Mandelson's "I try to undermine Corbyn every single day". Forde report details of how central office worked to defund winnable seats. Starmer convincing Corbyn to go with proxy 2nd referendum....
I've got a strong feeling that you couldn't be more wrong. Starmer is his own man. Starting from a working-class background he became the country's top lawyer and the leader of a major UK political party, that takes some doing. Starmer is no one's lackey.
@gio-oz8gf He became Leader due to being part of the undermining of Corbyn. Mandelson was proud to declare he undermined Corbyn "every single day". The Firde report detailed how Labour central office actively worked to lose Labour seats under Corbyn. Starmers proxy second referendum was the biggest factor in the 2019 disaster, framed as it against Johnsons "get Brexit done". I hope you are both right and perhaps in 2030 we can reconvene here and Farage won't be PM, but I'd not be betting against that in the meantime
@@prestigepea1235 Corbyn is a Putin puppet who supported Brexit, supports the Russian fascist invasion of Ukraine and is trying to undermine Labour to secure the re-election of the Tories.
This Labour chancellor Rachel reeves has all the makings of a pound shop thatcher.
Is this the guy who attended Jeffrey Epstiens birthday party?
Yes ! That is what you have got supporting Starmer
@@noramartin96you Voting tory or 😂 reform?😂
I thinks trump did.
@@noramartin96 Keep crawling on your belly to your Tory billionaire god-kings. You may get to lick up some of the crumbs they brush off their table.
He reportedly stayed at Epsteins house while Epstein was in prison
Non of the people on this thread (in the video) have a clue what it's like trying to survive at the "coalface"!
Mandelson has the "brass neck" to call out other politicians for being shallow!
Needless to say, for the sake of my sanity I had to call time on this absurd attempt to represent a decent philosophical debate, about half way through!
William Hill have the Tories to lose 201 seats or more at 2/5 three months ago it was evens, thats a huge shortening of the odds, no amount of mudslinging can save them
Ask him about his friendship with Epstein.
The only person who has voiced the concerns of people in recent years is Corbyn and Mandelson spoke against him
Mandy an impartial bystander? LOL
Did he call himself an impartial bystander?
Wht vote labour? They have the same policies as the tories
more unnecessary drama from what I thought was a so called decent platform
disaster depends from where you look at it ! brexit was and is disaster - tories losing badly - joyous relief
Epstein Mandelson do pray tell us what happened on his island and why you were such great friends.
Among the many powerful players with whom Jeffrey Epstein surrounded himself was a senior British politician he affectionately referred to as “Petie”.
The pair are said to have enjoyed a “particularly close friendship”. But while others in Epstein’s orbit, such as the Duke of York, have been hauled over the coals for such terrible lapses of judgment, Lord Mandelson has thus far not been embroiled in the controversy.
Epstein lives forever as a source of mud for any faction.
When all flawed humans have been destroyed, only the Putins, Trumps, will still be standing. All will be happy then?
Will this programme continue after the General Election? I do hope so. It's brilliant!
The thing about avoiding debates is that to me, it shows a complete cynicism towards the democratic process. Engaging with conflicting ideas is the most important ritual we can perform in a society like ours. Most voters do not have a party affiliation. They are not interested in what's best for political parties. If you can't make your ideas look good in the eyes of the public that's on you. This is why there are many well meaning Tories like Dan who have sleepwalked us towards this widespread lack of faith and engagement in our political system. People see it as exactly what Dan said- it's simply not strategically expedient to directly engage with the public on substantive issues, so they wont. Party before system. And so we see things like Boris walking into a fridge to avoid questions, and yet still winning. How does this help anyone other than politicians? People are sick of it. Mandleson is absolutely right and reading the room correctly, and any politician thinking of taking Dans advice should consider very carefully how important the process of having a dialogue is to our democratic process. We are where we are today precisely because people with political positions found ways to not talk to each other.
This is the most middle class, outré podcast I’ve seen in years.
If you made a mistake and paid less tax and you are a mp just step down.
WE DO NOT NEED THAT TYPE OF MP
Good thing that never happened, then.
A care worker sold her one and only property, and didn't pay a tax that applies only to second properties.
That's it.
That's the entire story.
What should anger us is The £112 Million Tax Cheat Lord Ashcroft abusing his position, to pull police and tax officers off their normal duties, to perform personal favours for him.
No one cares about the Rayner story.
When it comes to the important issues tax policy is set by civil servents now. So there is no point in voting on economic issues, as the policy is already decided by the OBR.
There's no real choice in UK elections. I've given up voting at all.
Angela Raynor would make a caring wonderful pm
The question is: has Hartlepool got up to speed with avocado?
The monkey's eaten them all
Surely nobody but a fool would still believe that old folk tale.
whoever does the mixing for these needs to fix audio volumes. Voices are too quiet.
I've mentioned the same point on a previous video. It's too quiet comparatively to other CZcams news channels
So careless to forget where it lives, maybe should not be a leader of the country, as |Sir Kier will stand down as he is just a joke
Polly has tassels
Mandelson is wrong about the public being no better informed. The one thing they know is one party will try to continue line their and their mates' pockets. The other will have a go at fixing things.
2 party system is the problem, PR voting or similar is used by all Democracies
Angela Rayner is as impressive as a passionate and compassionate figure in politics. I dont care if she has slightly underpaid her taxes at some point before she became a politician ... ... and neither does anybody else!
She is corrupt and has called for opposition mps to be sacked for less
For people that don't and refuse to work and want everyone else to pay for them. Typical labour far leftie
This interview is pretty drossy until the last 5-7 minutes when Peter Mandelson made a point and it gained traction. If you want to watch the first 30 minutes it's up to you.
Can you please turn up the gain on Mandelson's mic so he sounds just as loud as the others?
Its no good , I can still hear him
To convert ones mood
In seventeen syllables
Is very diffic.
Ive always called him peter meddlesome. Tut!! Tut!
Aw i loved this! We are moving to the centre and that's good. Well done Peter as always
The idea that starmer, a trial lawyer will be troubled by a guy that worked for daddy's business in the debates is laughable. Old mandy os going gaga
There once was a leader named May,
In elections, she'd always sway.
With charm and with wit,
She'd campaign and sit,
Winning in her own special way
Reform
This is what you get now MPs have destroyed democracy 🙄
Suddenly it's "MPs" and not "Conservative MPs". You Tories have no shame.
@@davidhoward4715 it's all off them
@@stephennoble Yes - "they're all the same" the would-be dictators cry.
I've spent a lifetime as a party worker - and 90% are decent, hard-working human beings. Much better than silly, facile, do-nothing, critics.
Pure dodgy this fella Mandelson same as the rest Tories and labour brutal wrecked country shocking
Who will be win the general election? I reckon this is 1992.
Elections don't bring back Enlands Economy stop this Drama think about how bring back on line Ecomoy
I can see a national shortage of popcorn occurring in the days before election night. Stock up now; It’s going to be fun…
Zero seats 🙏😇
Tory ,Labour, not a decent politician amongst the whole lot - a bunch of grifters!!
Only for the Tory’s there gone once and for all
Too much joking and nonsense at the start. Takes over 6 minutes to get into the actual discuss on politics. Literally cut the first 6 minutes.
Thanks I followed that suggestion!
Agree. Insufferable people!
Colplay were guests at my daughter's wedding
Mandleson saying don’t have Tice is like saying the points when labour was third in the opinion polls in 2010 ,that Gordon couldn’t be involved it should just have been between Clegg and Cameron then
Ehat a charlatan
Labour will win. Reform will get more votes than the Tories. I’m voting reform myself.
Reform could get more overall votes, cant see them securing more seats though.
Very poor all round.Very little insight. So bad, so lacking I'm closing this page down IMO.
Why do you keep hosting right-wingers, Tories, or people like Madelson who are not only far-removed from the current realities of UK politics?
How about someone from Labour? How about someone from the left?
Peter Mandelson, the 'Prince of Darkness' is Keir Starmer's key, political advisor. If not his Top political strategist. Intimately involved, on a day to day basis with every decision he makes. It speaks volumes that this corrupt, discredited figure is at the heart of Keir Starmer's political operation. That he is, tells you everything you need to know about the depressing, Neo-Liberal, Authoritarian, Right wing direction of travel
of his, policies and shadow cabinet. Having accepted, hook line & sinker the Tory economic consensus, there is no 'Socialism or Left' in Starmer's New Labour Policy platform. Far removed, he is not unfortunately. The Labour party leadership has been fully captured, by Keir Starmer's duplicitous clique...
This guy should leave
Who listens to this HASBEEN
This is the sort of political journalism we need . So pleased our democracy is served by outlets like this, whilst true political truth tellers like Julian Assange are safely locked away for our own good.
please don't vote , we have no democracy or freedom of speech with any party, especially Labour
Oh they will.love it if we all stop.voting.
Conservative fall,
Ballot whispers portend doom,
New era beckons.
The macroeconomic policy mix of the labour party believes in increasing the state's intervention in the economy, which won't help.
In most cases, More taxes and borrowing from financial markets are detrimental to economic growth in the long run.
I don't know how MMT/QE lessons would influence labour's economic methodology at number 11.
So basically labour lost in part due to that clown?
Because the Conservatives have been so successful… 🤢🤮🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩
But if Labour havent improved the country within 4 years then they need ousting as thats plenty of time to make change for the better, they've had 14 years to think about it.
God he’s awful
Not often I agree with Mandelson
The architect of mass migration to Britain gives advice on politics.....Is this some kind of sick joke?....
Yes we are arnt we -
VOTE - REFORM
And get rid of the stigma of The Tories Labour and Liberal Democrats
Britain has. taken enough of false promises and pledges and not delivering Brexit
You must not work for Conservative and Labour they had their chance we want a change in govertment we must vote for Reform UK and give Reform UK a chance
Either Angela Rayner lived separately from her children from their birth, or she's lying.
I thought Mandelson had died of aids?
No he didn't you mud slinger
If only!