That’s right parents, you were right there on top of the plate and really, really did have the best vantage point to make the call……….no wonder they can’t get anyone to umpire a game anymore!
Happy to see it in slow motion, that would help us (umpires) see the game better. The $ 60.00 or so dollars that we make is never worth the aggravation of tossing a coach, writing a report to the association, having to speak with a league representative that ultimately decides the punishment. Enjoy the game, we teach our youth the wrong things about handling judgement calls.
I dont think there was anyway from the footage to know if it was out or not. In the league I played in we all had to take turns umpiring games so we could get a feel for just how hard the job is.
Proof that being contiguous to a play doesn't necessarily give your the opportunity to actually see the play. Given how close to illegally blocking the plate without the ball the catcher was standing, the hand slid in before the catcher could have tagged at the earliest the back of the runner's head.
I have no real comment on the initial call, since i can't even tell where the plate is in the video. If I had to guess, I'd say safe, but that would be a complete guess. I also can't say much about the ejection since we can't hear what was said. But WHY are they hanging out in front of the dugout after the ejection? Yes, they have to make sure the coach leaves, but you can go back to your between inning positions and avoid more conflict.
It was a very odd exchange. The ump had been getting bombarded by the crowd all night for his sliding strike zone and obviously wasn’t very happy about it. I’ve heard many umps this season on the business end of incredibly nasty comments only for them to ignore the comments to the point I even questioned if they heard them. It’s rare that I see an ump lose his cool. This one allegedly flipped off #4 (tbh from my vantage point I couldn’t tell) with zoomed in paused video it does kind of appear true, but not 100%. 4 didn’t get ejected so I’m not sure what the jester was for. The call may not have been personal, but when you start showing emotion it makes it hard for people to accept the call is legit. Last season I saw a coach kick dirt on an ump and he got ejected without any extra fanfare or emotion from the ump. He ejected the coach and went back to doing his job. That said, even if I had the knowledge it takes to be an ump, I would not have the emotional fortitude to do it.
This is one of the reasons why youth baseball is suffering. There has always been arguing with umps and some comments from the crowd but the overall culture has changed for the worse. People feel empowered to be the worst version of themselves and demand to be respected while showing none to everyone around them. I've thought about umping in the past but I have zero interest in it these days. The amount of money I'd have to be paid to put up with people at their worst while doing my absolute best would bankrupt the league. The lesson that should be taught when an umpire makes a mistake is, "he's doing his best. Sure, he blew that call but we all make mistakes. Let's show him some grace." That type of lesson would help shape these kids into respectable people rather than entitled monsters.
I was wondering that: is this youth baseball? The kind of comments the ump is getting from the stands would not be tolerated when my kids were in Nations Baseball. The umps would eject fans and if it didn't stop the game would be forfeited.
@@jonnya3425 I'm always amazed at the comments by fans and parents as they yell at an umpire or any youth official for that matter. Having been a LL umpire for over 20 years I've heard it all. I rarely interact with the crowd unless I hear someone use profanity. That being said, I have to bite my toungue when I hear the complaints since I have no doubt everyone complaining has never officiated a game in their lives! Try calling 300 pitches and see if they get any wrong! Incredible.
Had a call at second base the other day where I was in great position for a bang bang play at second. Tag was there a fraction before runner. Runner mumbled something and the SS said "c'mon, you were out by a mile". That was it. Then I hear from behind the backstop about 20 rows up in the stands "C'mon Dave! You gotta get that one right!" SS looks at me as he's tossing ball to pitcher and says "You're name Dave?" I said "unfortunately" and we both rolled our eyes and he smiled. This play in this video wasn't as even as close as mine. But obviously the drinker in the crowd had a conviction that the official on top of the play wasn't qualified to make his call. Hmmm, maybe we should always check with the experts in the gallery before making calls. I always say that one can see plays better from the stands. Not sure why they just don't have us making calls from there. Maybe its a matter of perspective? 🤔
Never ceases to amaze me that a parent who is 60+ feet away and at an angle has a better view than I do when I'm right there on top of the play. It's why I quit. I love the game, but the patents have ruined it. They act like there kid being called out will cost them a college scholarship or keep them off Sports Center.
From my vantage point, I didn’t notice it all in real time until I had a couple of players, parents and a coach asked if I got it. I’m with you that I thought a second person (or other teammates) were being ejected as well. Turns out, no one else was ejected. Because of the music, I couldn’t hear the exchange. Based on my seat I would say it wasn’t a middle finger, but many in the 3rd base line said it was. But yeah, I have no idea.
Catcher blocking plate without the ball , runner slid into catchers shin as the catchers glove was above his head ,still no ball in glove..safe because of interference!
Proves you don't know what you're talking about. Inaccurate description even though the play is in slo-mo. In addition, to double down on the fact you don't know the rules, if it was interference the runner would be automatically out. On the other hand if it was obstruction...
Precisely. The call is easy because in basically every league, this would be the catcher blocking the plate prior to possessing the ball. The umpire wouldn't have had to throw anyone out if the proper obstruction call had been made.
@@jfejapan2829 I dont think so. Catcher has the right to position himself to catch the ball too. @ :22 catcher catches ball in blocking spot, @ :23 you can see runner starting his slide but hasn't landed yet. @ :25 catch is tagging runner but home plate hasn't been touched. Catch fielded throw and brought it straight down.
That’s right parents, you were right there on top of the plate and really, really did have the best vantage point to make the call……….no wonder they can’t get anyone to umpire a game anymore!
Yes,I umped for several years.Everybody in the stands is an expert.Like I care who wins.
Happy to see it in slow motion, that would help us (umpires) see the game better. The $ 60.00 or so dollars that we make is never worth the aggravation of tossing a coach, writing a report to the association, having to speak with a league representative that ultimately decides the punishment. Enjoy the game, we teach our youth the wrong things about handling judgement calls.
I dont think there was anyway from the footage to know if it was out or not. In the league I played in we all had to take turns umpiring games so we could get a feel for just how hard the job is.
Looked to me like the catcher blocked the plate before he had the ball. Posey Rule.
Looked out to me.
Out by a mile. I used to ump and could never believe the arguments on plays that weren't even close.
I got out on the play. I didn't see middle finger....looks like pointing finger.
Proof that being contiguous to a play doesn't necessarily give your the opportunity to actually see the play. Given how close to illegally blocking the plate without the ball the catcher was standing, the hand slid in before the catcher could have tagged at the earliest the back of the runner's head.
I have no real comment on the initial call, since i can't even tell where the plate is in the video. If I had to guess, I'd say safe, but that would be a complete guess. I also can't say much about the ejection since we can't hear what was said. But WHY are they hanging out in front of the dugout after the ejection? Yes, they have to make sure the coach leaves, but you can go back to your between inning positions and avoid more conflict.
It was a very odd exchange. The ump had been getting bombarded by the crowd all night for his sliding strike zone and obviously wasn’t very happy about it.
I’ve heard many umps this season on the business end of incredibly nasty comments only for them to ignore the comments to the point I even questioned if they heard them. It’s rare that I see an ump lose his cool.
This one allegedly flipped off #4 (tbh from my vantage point I couldn’t tell) with zoomed in paused video it does kind of appear true, but not 100%. 4 didn’t get ejected so I’m not sure what the jester was for.
The call may not have been personal, but when you start showing emotion it makes it hard for people to accept the call is legit.
Last season I saw a coach kick dirt on an ump and he got ejected without any extra fanfare or emotion from the ump. He ejected the coach and went back to doing his job.
That said, even if I had the knowledge it takes to be an ump, I would not have the emotional fortitude to do it.
This is one of the reasons why youth baseball is suffering. There has always been arguing with umps and some comments from the crowd but the overall culture has changed for the worse. People feel empowered to be the worst version of themselves and demand to be respected while showing none to everyone around them. I've thought about umping in the past but I have zero interest in it these days. The amount of money I'd have to be paid to put up with people at their worst while doing my absolute best would bankrupt the league.
The lesson that should be taught when an umpire makes a mistake is, "he's doing his best. Sure, he blew that call but we all make mistakes. Let's show him some grace."
That type of lesson would help shape these kids into respectable people rather than entitled monsters.
I was wondering that: is this youth baseball? The kind of comments the ump is getting from the stands would not be tolerated when my kids were in Nations Baseball. The umps would eject fans and if it didn't stop the game would be forfeited.
@@jamesnasium4035It’s Southern Collegiate Baseball League
@@jonnya3425 I'm always amazed at the comments by fans and parents as they yell at an umpire or any youth official for that matter. Having been a LL umpire for over 20 years I've heard it all. I rarely interact with the crowd unless I hear someone use profanity. That being said, I have to bite my toungue when I hear the complaints since I have no doubt everyone complaining has never officiated a game in their lives! Try calling 300 pitches and see if they get any wrong! Incredible.
Had a call at second base the other day where I was in great position for a bang bang play at second. Tag was there a fraction before runner. Runner mumbled something and the SS said "c'mon, you were out by a mile". That was it. Then I hear from behind the backstop about 20 rows up in the stands "C'mon Dave! You gotta get that one right!" SS looks at me as he's tossing ball to pitcher and says "You're name Dave?" I said "unfortunately" and we both rolled our eyes and he smiled.
This play in this video wasn't as even as close as mine. But obviously the drinker in the crowd had a conviction that the official on top of the play wasn't qualified to make his call. Hmmm, maybe we should always check with the experts in the gallery before making calls.
I always say that one can see plays better from the stands. Not sure why they just don't have us making calls from there. Maybe its a matter of perspective? 🤔
Never ceases to amaze me that a parent who is 60+ feet away and at an angle has a better view than I do when I'm right there on top of the play. It's why I quit. I love the game, but the patents have ruined it. They act like there kid being called out will cost them a college scholarship or keep them off Sports Center.
Nice behavior, sports parents!
Even in super slow motion it was very close. In real time it could go either way. I wouldn’t disagree with the Umpire
Well there was the old saying. When in doubt, give them out. Ump once explained to me, a fast game is a good game.
Easy call "OUT"
That's pretty clearly him throwing out another player or coach with a pointing gesture. Even with it slowed down I don't see a middle finger there.
From my vantage point, I didn’t notice it all in real time until I had a couple of players, parents and a coach asked if I got it.
I’m with you that I thought a second person (or other teammates) were being ejected as well.
Turns out, no one else was ejected.
Because of the music, I couldn’t hear the exchange. Based on my seat I would say it wasn’t a middle finger, but many in the 3rd base line said it was.
But yeah, I have no idea.
Catcher blocking plate without the ball , runner slid into catchers shin as the catchers glove was above his head ,still no ball in glove..safe because of interference!
Proves you don't know what you're talking about. Inaccurate description even though the play is in slo-mo. In addition, to double down on the fact you don't know the rules, if it was interference the runner would be automatically out. On the other hand if it was obstruction...
@willowbrook2717 watched in five times in stop motion..
@@willowbrook2717I saw a clear violation of the Posey Rule.
Ump in wrong position. But what he says is the call. End of discussion
Out by a MILE. Embarrassing for the kids, to say the least.
Wirh the benefit of slow mo, clearly obstruction on the catcher. Should be safe.
OBSTRUCTION
Precisely. The call is easy because in basically every league, this would be the catcher blocking the plate prior to possessing the ball. The umpire wouldn't have had to throw anyone out if the proper obstruction call had been made.
This ^^
easy call.... you actually umpire lol
@@jfejapan2829 I dont think so. Catcher has the right to position himself to catch the ball too. @ :22 catcher catches ball in blocking spot, @ :23 you can see runner starting his slide but hasn't landed yet. @ :25 catch is tagging runner but home plate hasn't been touched.
Catch fielded throw and brought it straight down.
Out. Obstruction. Easy call. Case closed. NEXT!!
Out
He out!!! Go sit down