Ruby Sunday will be in a few episodes of season 2. The Mrs. Flood mystery will supposedly be revealed next season. The female soldier from Boom is the new companion... the actress, I mean.
@@theolddoctorwhoshowthere is a video of Russell TDavies saying that her storyline done she's taking a little break but she will be back and there will be two female companions on the tardis when she returns in season 2
That was definitely the point of the casting reveal. We saw "kind woman" on the cast list and everybody was like "it's her mom!!!!!" But then it was just somebody with extra silverware and a dead baby
For me there was some GREAT (Boom, 73 Yards, Rouge) episodes. I disagree with Eric i think Space Babies was bad but Empire of Death was offensive. I would rather a throw away bad episode than something that makes me annoyed to have invested so much thought, time and theories into it.
The ONLY things I'm certain about for current who are that Mel will eventually reveal herself as the Rani in disguise (again) and that Rogue is a freaking C.H.U.D. I am going to miss doing all of the tin foil hat theories for next season, but it kinda burned me this time around for how much time I actually chose to invest thinking about it. Maybe Joy To The World will do what it says on the box! Fingers crossed.
You can not see a sign, but then again she did not point, the pointing was a false memory of the Doctors. His false memory obviously caused a glitch in the window so, so was the sign. There are many other things you mentioned that I could go through and some I cant, but it would be tiring.
But if the time window is based off memory, and memory is flawed and susceptible to “false memories,” why on earth, or gallifrey for that matter, would the Doctor use it? Nothing about it would be reliable. I imagine this is part of a bigger theory of yours which I’d be curious to know. I don’t remember them hinting at the pointing be false.
Boom was the only one I found to be good Who, I have criticisms about even that but all the others have issues so large I couldn't enjoy them at all. I really don't understand how people can praise 73 yards that much, you can't build an entire episode up on the mysteries, explicitly state very tanginble details and numbers which you should be focused on and then.... nothing. I guess you guys prefer the ride to the destination?
I felt that it was a wonderful use of science fiction as metaphor for feelings of abandonment. And so it had profound meaning for me. We speak at more length in our 73 yard review. -EG
I mean it’s not really science fiction as no potential science is offered up to explain the episode - infact even your usual science fiction elements like the tardis, screwdriver and time travelling alien aren’t present. The challenge of working a metaphor or political commentary into science fiction is making a cohesive story that someone not looking at it on that level would still understand. If you remove that requirement it’s the easiest thing in the world. But glad you enjoyed it, I was until the end when it became obvious RTD hadn’t bothered thinking of an explanation.
They mention the effect of the tardis and its perception filter in the scene with Kate and Ruby and so if you needed some element to hang your hat on, it could be that. When you get down to it, it 's certainly not hard science fiction and something more like science fantasty. or space fantasy, or some other combination of words that checks whatever boxes need checking. More Star Wars than Star Trek. I don't agree that art as metaphor requires explanation. You can have fantastic science fiction stories that are ambigious or surreal. Tarkovsky's Solaris, or even Stalker could be seen as a science fiction film. The ending of 2001 a Space Oddyssey is intentionall ambigous. You can come up with explanations as to what's happening and why, and base them on science for that matter, but it's open to inerpretation and its not fed to you through dialog or exposition. I think the book goes into more detail, but I'm talking specifically about the film. Also for what it's worth, creating art is not easy, in ANY form, let alone creating something that connects with someone. It's all subjective, and so what works for me, may not work for you. I walked away disliking most of this season, but I've seen other people love it. Doesn't make them wrong or me right. It just is.
But all of those examples are standalone, you’re not bringing a universe with you. Besides it’s not being ambiguous that’s the issue, Listen was ambiguous and the better for it. Either explanation works, but here no explanation works. To make matters worse this was pitched as a mystery throughout - and one of the joys of the show is predicting them what those hints mean. As a continuing serial now every single time the show presents a mystery you have to entertain the possibility that there’s just no explanation - so not only does it ruin the episode for me personally but it has a detrimental effect on enjoyment of future episodes. And that wasn’t just this episode; Ruby’s reveal may work on an emotional level but a huge number of things that don’t make sense were presented - so it’s a double whammy against any writer who opts to write any mysteries into the show in the future - if any writer ever gets that chance. With these ratings and RTD writing 10/12 episodes it may be a non issue.
I think you can explain the story using what’s there. One interpretation of that story is this: In the main timeline the TARDIS lands on a section of ground that contains a magic fairy circle. When the circle is broken, Ruby is cursed to live out a life haunted by her worst fears. Because the TARDIS has a perception filter, it manifests those fears into something Ruby can “see.” When this happens a new timeline is created where Ruby’s fear of abandonment becomes her reality. She is alone and everyone will leave her. She convinces herself that the key to all of this is to stop the prime minister. When she succeeds, however, nothing changes. It is not until much later in her life, at the moment of her own death, that she comes to the revelation that she was never alone - she always had herself. She realizes that the person she had been seeing was her. The TARDIS perception filter not only made her fears visible, but her inner strength, too. Once she conquers her fear, the spell is broken and she is returned to the main timeline just before the Doctor breaks the circle and all of this started. This time they don’t break the circle and the 73 Yards timeline is closed. Ruby continues in the main timeline (where the Doctor had defeated the prime minister).
37:30 (ish) - the Twelfth Doctor plays the opening theme on guitar in Before the Flood
That’s a good point. I was probably reading way too much into things.
Ruby Sunday will be in a few episodes of season 2. The Mrs. Flood mystery will supposedly be revealed next season.
The female soldier from Boom is the new companion... the actress, I mean.
This is interesting… I knew about the Xmas special, but not that she’d be in season 2
@@theolddoctorwhoshowthere is a video of Russell TDavies saying that her storyline done she's taking a little break but she will be back and there will be two female companions on the tardis when she returns in season 2
I'm still convinced the woman in Empire was put there for fans to think "maybe she's Susan"... or "maybe she's Ruby's mother!"
The woman with the baby?
That was definitely the point of the casting reveal. We saw "kind woman" on the cast list and everybody was like "it's her mom!!!!!" But then it was just somebody with extra silverware and a dead baby
@@theolddoctorwhoshow yes.
For me there was some GREAT (Boom, 73 Yards, Rouge) episodes. I disagree with Eric i think Space Babies was bad but Empire of Death was offensive. I would rather a throw away bad episode than something that makes me annoyed to have invested so much thought, time and theories into it.
That’s a good point.
The ONLY things I'm certain about for current who are that Mel will eventually reveal herself as the Rani in disguise (again) and that Rogue is a freaking C.H.U.D.
I am going to miss doing all of the tin foil hat theories for next season, but it kinda burned me this time around for how much time I actually chose to invest thinking about it. Maybe Joy To The World will do what it says on the box! Fingers crossed.
We are all the Rani.
You can not see a sign, but then again she did not point, the pointing was a false memory of the Doctors. His false memory obviously caused a glitch in the window so, so was the sign. There are many other things you mentioned that I could go through and some I cant, but it would be tiring.
But if the time window is based off memory, and memory is flawed and susceptible to “false memories,” why on earth, or gallifrey for that matter, would the Doctor use it? Nothing about it would be reliable. I imagine this is part of a bigger theory of yours which I’d be curious to know. I don’t remember them hinting at the pointing be false.
@@theolddoctorwhoshow
He literally said his memory of it was changing. At the end of the day I enjoyed it for it was entertainment.
I’m glad to hear you enjoyed it.
Boom was the only one I found to be good Who, I have criticisms about even that but all the others have issues so large I couldn't enjoy them at all.
I really don't understand how people can praise 73 yards that much, you can't build an entire episode up on the mysteries, explicitly state very tanginble details and numbers which you should be focused on and then.... nothing.
I guess you guys prefer the ride to the destination?
I felt that it was a wonderful use of science fiction as metaphor for feelings of abandonment. And so it had profound meaning for me. We speak at more length in our 73 yard review. -EG
I mean it’s not really science fiction as no potential science is offered up to explain the episode - infact even your usual science fiction elements like the tardis, screwdriver and time travelling alien aren’t present.
The challenge of working a metaphor or political commentary into science fiction is making a cohesive story that someone not looking at it on that level would still understand. If you remove that requirement it’s the easiest thing in the world.
But glad you enjoyed it, I was until the end when it became obvious RTD hadn’t bothered thinking of an explanation.
They mention the effect of the tardis and its perception filter in the scene with Kate and Ruby and so if you needed some element to hang your hat on, it could be that. When you get down to it, it 's certainly not hard science fiction and something more like science fantasty. or space fantasy, or some other combination of words that checks whatever boxes need checking. More Star Wars than Star Trek.
I don't agree that art as metaphor requires explanation. You can have fantastic science fiction stories that are ambigious or surreal. Tarkovsky's Solaris, or even Stalker could be seen as a science fiction film. The ending of 2001 a Space Oddyssey is intentionall ambigous. You can come up with explanations as to what's happening and why, and base them on science for that matter, but it's open to inerpretation and its not fed to you through dialog or exposition. I think the book goes into more detail, but I'm talking specifically about the film. Also for what it's worth, creating art is not easy, in ANY form, let alone creating something that connects with someone. It's all subjective, and so what works for me, may not work for you. I walked away disliking most of this season, but I've seen other people love it. Doesn't make them wrong or me right. It just is.
But all of those examples are standalone, you’re not bringing a universe with you.
Besides it’s not being ambiguous that’s the issue, Listen was ambiguous and the better for it. Either explanation works, but here no explanation works.
To make matters worse this was pitched as a mystery throughout - and one of the joys of the show is predicting them what those hints mean.
As a continuing serial now every single time the show presents a mystery you have to entertain the possibility that there’s just no explanation - so not only does it ruin the episode for me personally but it has a detrimental effect on enjoyment of future episodes.
And that wasn’t just this episode; Ruby’s reveal may work on an emotional level but a huge number of things that don’t make sense were presented - so it’s a double whammy against any writer who opts to write any mysteries into the show in the future - if any writer ever gets that chance. With these ratings and RTD writing 10/12 episodes it may be a non issue.
I think you can explain the story using what’s there. One interpretation of that story is this: In the main timeline the TARDIS lands on a section of ground that contains a magic fairy circle. When the circle is broken, Ruby is cursed to live out a life haunted by her worst fears.
Because the TARDIS has a perception filter, it manifests those fears into something Ruby can “see.” When this happens a new timeline is created where Ruby’s fear of abandonment becomes her reality. She is alone and everyone will leave her. She convinces herself that the key to all of this is to stop the prime minister. When she succeeds, however, nothing changes.
It is not until much later in her life, at the moment of her own death, that she comes to the revelation that she was never alone - she always had herself. She realizes that the person she had been seeing was her. The TARDIS perception filter not only made her fears visible, but her inner strength, too.
Once she conquers her fear, the spell is broken and she is returned to the main timeline just before the Doctor breaks the circle and all of this started. This time they don’t break the circle and the 73 Yards timeline is closed. Ruby continues in the main timeline (where the Doctor had defeated the prime minister).